[00:07] <kalamarnur> hm, I am sure that there is a shortcut for alternating on the desktops. Any1 has the patience to tell me? :)
[00:08] <wotan_> hi, i was updating to kde 4.3rc, but the laptop ran out of battery in the middle of the process
[00:08] <wotan_> and with my xfs filesystem the installation is corrupt
[00:09] <wotan_> for instance, i can't create new accounts for kopete, and the K menu has no applications
[00:09] <wotan_> anyone knows what package i can reinstall to fix this?
[00:11] <BluesKaj> wotan, sudo dpkg-reconfigure kubuntu-desktop
[00:15] <wotan_> well, i managed to finish the reconfiguration of the packages after rebooting
[00:15] <wotan_> but i think some files vanished when the laptop turned off
[00:16] <wotan_> it happened to me more times, and i think it's because of xfs...
[00:18] <wotan_>  well, i can wait to the next kde4.3 release, and check if everything installs correctly :)
[00:21] <DaskreeCH> wotan_: Well... if youcan't wait... :-)
[00:21] <BluesKaj> wotan_, why wait ?
[00:21] <DaskreeCH> avihay: I don't know what the problem is I've never heard of the actual letter keys disappaering and the rest working
[00:22] <DaskreeCH>  KDE 4.0 shipped with a bug where 'e' vanished but that's the closest
[00:22] <DaskreeCH> kalamarnur: try Ctrl+Fn
[00:22] <DaskreeCH> wotan_: try sudo apt-get -f install
[00:23] <wotan_> because apt will hopefully update all kde packages and fix this mess
[00:23] <wotan_> yes, i did it and no errors
[00:23] <avihay> well, everything from the keyboard that is roted to the application is totaly ignored DaskreeCH
[00:23] <DaskreeCH> avihay: What does that mean?
[00:24] <DaskreeCH> wotan_: sudo dpkg --configure -all
[00:24] <DaskreeCH> hope that wasn't from my suggestion
[00:25] <BluesKaj> heh :P
[00:25] <avihay> kalamarnur: ctrl+desktop_number
[00:25] <wotan> everything configured :)
[00:25] <wotan> but the problem is still there
[00:26] <DaskreeCH> avihay: it'sF<desktopnumber>
[00:26] <wotan> btw, almost all my .kde configuration files were reseted
[00:26] <DaskreeCH> wotan: I normally back those up before an upgrade
[00:26] <DaskreeCH> I likes my mail and RSS feeds
[00:26] <avihay> woops, right
[00:26] <wotan> plasma, kopete, amarok... returned to default settings
[00:28] <avihay> DaskreeCH: most "normal" programs get most of the keypresses routed to them when they are "raised", except for shortcuts that are already registered(global shortcuts) and xkb's special keys
[00:29] <avihay> some of my programs, I belive the ones that use the qt library, tend to sometimes ignore keybord input
[00:31] <DaskreeCH> avihay: Check in #kwin
[00:31] <avihay> the computer is still useable, but the program itself is only useable with the mouse, untill I close the program. sometimes alt-tabing once or twice (works with the mouse too, I belive) will snap the program out of it, but if that didn't work after once or twice, the program is as good as gone
[00:31] <avihay> humm, ok
[00:54] <schirpich> anyone have any idea why dolphin would stop asking for authentication to any samba shares causing it to fail to connect?  However I can successfully connect via smbclient in the console
[00:55] <schirpich> it can see the server, and the servers shares.  but when i try to access a share, it tries for about 30 seconds and then just gives an Access Denied error without ever prompting me for a login/pass
[01:08] <fritzisonline> hi all, i've made some changes on /etc/hosts file and now i can't login cos my disc gone completely full!, how should i recover that?
[01:09] <avihay> fritzisonline: if you have a live-cd lying around, you can delete some files for some space
[01:10] <fritzisonline> yes i could that. i cleand up some spaces by live cd and midnight commander but when i try to log in, i can pass the login screen but suddenly drops me in login screen back
[01:11] <fritzisonline> i also reset my hosts file with live cd session.
[01:11] <avihay> humm, well, last time my HDD got full, all my settings got erased because of the way the system insists on managing the settings files
[01:11] <fritzisonline> probably the same problem
[01:13] <fritzisonline> please  excuse my grammer ..  is there anyway to recover ? or is it something fatal?
[01:14] <DaskreeCH> schirpich: Try closing dolphin and reopeneing it
[01:14] <avihay> I can suggest you rename your hidden .kde or .kde4 folder (that's where the relevent settings should be) let it boot
[01:15] <DaskreeCH> fritzisonline: are you sure it's a full disc causing the problems?
[01:15] <avihay> and start recovering your personal settings from your backup to the autocreated settings
[01:15] <fritzisonline> yep, at least the problem occured after it
[01:15] <fritzisonline> i noticed
[01:15] <DaskreeCH> avihay: ah yes you had a list of unraised issues?
[01:15] <avihay> yes
[01:15] <DaskreeCH> fritzisonline: Then yes clean up some space I would suggest checking in /var/cache/apt/archives
[01:18] <fritzisonline> ok. last time i started recovery mode and i reinstalled almost all packages the system suggested to do, was that about /var/cache/apt/archives?
[01:19] <fritzisonline> i think apt archive has been reset now then
[01:20] <avihay> DaskreeCH: were you being sarcastic? because I always use the gui tools insted of manualy editing
[01:21] <fritzisonline> nope!
[01:22] <fritzisonline> i mean when i restart  the system i can start with recovery mode and the first menu asks me if i like to choose to repair dpkg packages, so i did...
[01:22] <fritzisonline> oops!
[01:23] <fritzisonline> well i 'll try the change .kde folder's name
[01:23] <fritzisonline> thanks.
[01:25] <DaskreeCH> avihay: no you said you had a list of issues with kubuntu I wanted to hear them
[01:25] <avihay> list: 1)keyboard stops responding in qt apps 2) qt apps's edit boxes won't redraw properly 3)drawing bug in kate (qt too, I belive) 3)taskbar popups under easy to reproduce conditions redraw the wrong area of the screen, and uses the wrong z-order while doing so 4)firefox tends to have choppy sound after a (long) while of useing flash apps (using flashplugin-nonfree)(closeing FF and reopeining it solves it for a (long) while)
[01:26] <DaskreeCH> fritzisonline: try running sudo apt-get clean
[01:27] <avihay> 5)KNetworkManager (nuff said) 6)wicd won't allow me to create an encripted ad-hock wierless network for some reason, I think I just need som packages other then wpasupplicent
[01:27] <DaskreeCH> avihay: other than the last one have you filed bugs on it ?
[01:27] <DaskreeCH> avihay: :-) Yeah knetworkmanager hasn't been released yet so that will get better after it's been released
[01:29] <avihay> the knetworkmanager initial releases were #^%$^# for about three consecutive distributions now
[01:29] <avihay> I thought I had something wrong with my computer, and was utterly networkless for a week in the university
[01:31] <DaskreeCH> avihay: Knetworkmanager hasn't had a single release yet
[01:32] <DaskreeCH> Well the KDE4 one
[01:33] <avihay> the plasomoid
[01:33] <bernardlychan> hey anyone know how to start vnc on kde?
[01:33] <avihay> was released...
[01:34] <Zakin> buenas
[01:34] <bernardlychan> hey anyone know how to start vnc on kde?
[01:35] <avihay> and there was a normal system trey knetwork manager of kde4
[01:36] <Zakin> Hello I need help to connect with my router
[01:36] <avihay> of->for
[01:37] <DaskreeCH> avihay: Nope it gets released with KDE 4.3 which still isn't out yet
[01:37] <avihay> so what is that plasmoid that got installed when I upgraded to 9.04?
[01:38] <DaskreeCH> avihay: That was KDE3 and it doesn't work with Network manager 0.7 which is of course a problem as that's what Ubuntu ships with
[01:38] <avihay> didn't know plasmoids could work on kde3
[01:38] <DaskreeCH> avihay: A backported unreleased Knetworkmanager
[01:38] <DaskreeCH> avihay: If it's in the system tray it's not aplasmoid
[01:38] <DaskreeCH> at least not currently. That will happen somewhere between KDe 4.3 and 4.4
[01:39] <avihay> le's start with the plasmoid that came with 9.04
[01:39] <avihay> maybe we should go offtopic
[01:40] <DaskreeCH> !ot
[01:41] <Zakin> alguien que hable español?
[01:41] <Zakin> necesito ayuda
[01:41] <bazhang> !es
[01:42] <Zakin> ty
[02:03] <bryan> hello fellow kubuntu users!
[02:05] <camahueto> Hi
[02:06] <camahueto> all
[02:10] <_dennister> hey guys, unusual situation, i install kubuntu on user's machine, (p4, integrated graphics) didn't have to change xorg.conf at all to watch dvds, user takes box home, and can't get xserver to load...just grey screen with x in middle...only things changed were monitor, keyboard and mouse...she can't even get livecd to load fully...any ideas what happened?
[02:11] <_dennister> clue was that there xorg.conf did get re-written, but she wouldn't have done that or caused it to happen
[02:20] <kraig> hello
[02:20] <kraig> is there anybody out there
[02:20] <wirechief_> dennister you changed the monitor, you need to reconfigure the xorg.conf again
[02:21] <Gargoyle76> yeees
[02:26] <DaskreeCH> !hi | kraig
[02:26] <kraig> hey how it going
[02:26] <DaskreeCH> dennister: Monitor? maybe
[02:26] <DaskreeCH> Not bad
[02:27] <kraig> im new to this but i like it everything is free
[02:56] <komet> cheerio all
[03:05] <fritzisonline> hia all me back again :( .. i've been struggling for hours but the problem still goes on...
[03:06] <fritzisonline> even i remove lots of packages my disc says still 0 B out of 14.GB space
[03:06] <fritzisonline> and can't login
[03:07] <fritzisonline> i've changed .kde folder name and didn't solve the login problem
[03:07] <bazhang> fritzisonline, what about in safe mode
[03:07] <avihay> fritzisonline: is your home folder on a different partition then your root?
[03:08] <fritzisonline> 1- i've been on safe mode and done what i could ...
[03:08] <komet> didnt even know linux had a decent safe mode o_o
[03:08] <bazhang> fritzisonline, you have never been able to log in?
[03:08] <fritzisonline> and 2- no. my home folder is in first (boot) part.
[03:08] <avihay> it's just single user mode
[03:09] <fritzisonline> i can login, but after passed the login screen it drop me in login screen back again
[03:09] <walzmyn> how can I see what my wireless card is?
[03:09] <bazhang> fritzisonline, regular install? dual boot? wubi install?
[03:10] <avihay> walzmyn: lspci for pci cards, lsusb for usbcards or lshw|less for every bolt and nut
[03:10] <walzmyn> avihay, thankyouverymuch
[03:10] <avihay> in a terminall that is
[03:10] <bazhang> sudo lshw
[03:10]  * walzmyn nods
[03:10] <fritzisonline> it was a regular one, and i've been using it for 1 year with a regular user without losing password or any other stupid wrong
[03:11] <fritzisonline> :~(
[03:11] <bazhang> fritzisonline, when did this change? install a ppa, or something other
[03:12] <fritzisonline> i only changed /etc/hosts file then my network manager started checking the last changes it took loooong time
[03:12] <walzmyn> If everybody had the problems with winders that I did, Linux and Mac would be all that's left
[03:13] <avihay> fritzisonline:  try runing $ cat /etc/fstab |grep /home
[03:13] <avihay> without the $
[03:13] <avihay> is it empty, or do you get a line?
[03:13] <avihay> err, forgot, you have to run it in "safe mode" and not from a live-cd
[03:14] <fritzisonline> avihay: should i try cat... on live-cd session now?
[03:15] <avihay> no, won't help much
[03:15] <fritzisonline> ok so, i have to leave and restart it
[03:15] <fritzisonline> thanks for now. hope i won' need back in here
[03:15] <fritzisonline> ciao
[03:15] <avihay> if you brows to your root folder (/ and not /root), you should see a home folder
[03:16] <avihay> kjvhskgsw
[03:16] <fritzisonline> yeah?
[03:16] <avihay> I mean if you brows your hdd
[03:16] <avihay> you should see a home folder
[03:17] <avihay> browse*
[03:17] <avihay> is that home folder empty or does it have your username in it?
[03:17] <fritzisonline> ok ..
[03:18] <bjb1959_> I have a problem with kde and firefox. i constantly get this error "Firefox is already running, but is not responding. To open a new window, you must first close the existing Firefox process, or restart your system." until I do a killall firefox why? doesn't happen in gnome
[03:21] <walzmyn> bjb1959_, just use opera :)
[03:22] <avihay> walzmyn: does opera give you the plugin diversity of FF?
[03:23] <bjb1959_> that is, of course one option that I may be forced to use or use gnome as my window manager just thought I'd see if someone knows how to fix it first
[03:23] <walzmyn> bjb1959_, sorry, I don't know what causes that
[03:23] <walzmyn> avihay, no, but it does provide a much smoother, nicer interface from the get go
[03:24] <bjb1959_> Also, since it happens in kde only I have a feeling the cause is kde related since it never happens in gnome
[03:24] <walzmyn> avihay, I use 'em both
[03:25] <DaskreeCH> avihay: No
[03:26] <DaskreeCH> No browser gives the plugin (By which I assume you mean Extensions) diversity of FF but Opera does have a LOT going for it
[03:27] <DaskreeCH> avihay: You can run it from a live CD
[03:28] <DaskreeCH> you just have to mount the drive first
[03:29] <avihay> I have a DSL on a virtual machine, so I can have a looksee. maybe I will.
[03:29] <avihay> any decent tab grouping?
[03:32] <DaskreeCH> Depends on which WM you are using
[03:32] <DaskreeCH>  ratpoison and openbox are good
[03:33] <fritzisonline> ok. i've tried cat /etc/fstab |grep /home... and i didn' get ANY LINE.
[03:33] <fritzisonline> and yes, my username isin hoe folder
[03:34] <fritzisonline> username is in home folder
[03:34] <avihay> used to use kvm, untill the lack of features made me look in other places, only after that did I realize that pretty much "everyone" nowadays knows how to work the hardware virtualization
[03:36] <DaskreeCH> fritzisonline: that's strange
[03:36] <fritzisonline> little bit more explenation... i can notice that main partition has 760 MB (%5) free space by Midnight Commander. but ican't login. and when i start live cd my main partiono (boot) looks out of space
[03:36] <DaskreeCH> try grep <yourusername> /etc/fstab
[03:36] <avihay> fritzisonline: if that is the case then the problem is not what I think it is
[03:37] <avihay> all I can suggest that you install on the live-cd, one of a few programs that will help you find where you are looseing all thatspace, something like treesize
[03:38] <DaskreeCH> fritzisonline: try apt-get clean
[03:38] <avihay> there's graphical disk map and there is KDirStat
[03:38] <DaskreeCH> df -h should tell you how much space you ahve
[03:39] <fritzisonline> can i install kdirstat  on live cd and use it by?
[03:39] <avihay> you should be able to, yes
[03:39] <fritzisonline> whoof! great
[03:39] <DaskreeCH> fritzisonline: You can install whatever you want on a live cd
[03:40] <avihay> it installs on the temporary ramdrive that the livecd creates, sho as long as you don't reboot, or run out of ram, you caninstall
[03:41] <avihay> k, the sun is nearly up, definetly time to go to sleep
[03:41] <avihay> :->
[03:41] <fritzisonline> thanks... trying.. as quick as i can
[03:41] <fritzisonline> where are you from avihay
[03:41] <avihay> Israel
[03:42] <fritzisonline> oh stay awake ! :)
[03:45] <fritzisonline> i need ubuntu motu repository line
[03:45] <fritzisonline> would paste in here plz
[03:47] <avihay> deb http://il.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty multiverse     replace the il withyour own code
[03:49] <DaskreeCH> night avihay
[03:50] <DaskreeCH> fritzisonline: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list and then find the first line that starts with deb and ends with universe and remove the # at the start of the line
[03:50] <avihay> forgot bout that....
[03:50] <DaskreeCH> do the same for the line in thenext block that ends with multivers
[03:50] <Mac42DO> Hi, when I start an application from my home-folder (like /home/user/bin/firefox/firefox) the startup-notification icon ist jumping a verry long time.
[03:50] <DaskreeCH> +e
[03:51] <DaskreeCH> then ctrl+X to close and type sudo apt-get update
[03:51] <DaskreeCH> Mac42DO: Might be looking for libraries
[03:51] <DaskreeCH> Why do you have firefox installed in your home directory ?
[03:52] <Mac42DO> Daskree: Because kubuntu does not provide me with the latest firefox
[03:52] <avihay> and does it actually run in the end?
[03:52] <Mac42DO> avihay: yes
[03:53] <Mac42DO> When I start it from the terminal, there ist no problem
[03:53] <DaskreeCH> Mac42DO: It doesn't?
[03:53] <DaskreeCH> Hmm
[03:53] <DaskreeCH> !info firefox-3.5
[03:54] <DaskreeCH> Weird. I could swear it did
[03:54] <Mac42DO> Yes, but it is the beta
[03:54] <avihay> there is usualy a day's delay, isn't there?
[03:55] <Mac42DO> It doesn't even have the right icon
[03:55] <Mac42DO> Just a world without fox
[03:55] <bryan> Does anyone know how to fix the messed up java sound problem?
[03:55] <Mac42DO> And it has some japanese name
[03:56] <avihay> humm
[03:57] <avihay> can you paste the name?
[03:57] <avihay> just wondering
[03:57] <Mac42DO> ok, I have to Install it again, just a moment
[03:57] <DaskreeCH> !info shiretoko
[03:59] <avihay> !info firedox-3.5
[03:59] <avihay> !info firefox-3.5
[04:01] <Mac42DO> Shiretoko
[04:01] <fritzisonline> ok.. kdirstat scaning the disc now.. i noticed a file, named "adept_manager.kcrush" at root with 97%
[04:02] <Mac42DO> And no firefox icon
[04:02] <avihay> :->
[04:02] <fritzisonline> what?
[04:02] <Mac42DO> just a world without the fox
[04:02] <avihay> the file is takeing 97% of your hdd?
[04:03] <fritzisonline> no
[04:03] <fritzisonline> it's 4.3 kb
[04:03] <fritzisonline> i don know what the percantage refers
[04:03] <fritzisonline> home dir is 68%
[04:04] <fritzisonline> and the second biggest folder is usr with 20 %
[04:04] <fritzisonline> but the file adept_mag.kcrash is 97%
[04:04] <leaf-sheep> Mac42DO: Shiretoko is an awesome name and it contains a heart of the fox too.
[04:04] <avihay> Mac, thry are giveing you the ability to install bouth versions of FF side by side untill FF3.5 becomes more mainstream
[04:05] <Mac42DO> leaf-sheep: that means?
[04:05] <leaf-sheep> !ff35 | Mac42DO
[04:05] <dennister> hey guys, unusual situation, i install kubuntu on user's machine, (p4, integrated graphics) didn't have to change xorg.conf at all to watch dvds, user takes box home, and can't get xserver to load...just grey screen with x in middle...only things changed were monitor, keyboard and mouse...she can't even get livecd to load fully...any ideas what happened?
[04:05] <dennister> clue was that there xorg.conf did get re-written, but she wouldn't have done that or caused it to happen
[04:05] <leaf-sheep> Mac42DO: Sure it does not looks like one but it's a Firefox in disguise.
[04:05] <Mac42DO> I don't like it.
[04:06] <Mac42DO> I want Firefox and its logo.
[04:06] <leaf-sheep> Mac42DO: It will be implemented in Karmic.  Firefox and its logo is not a security matter.  It's cosmetic you're crying wolf on.
[04:07] <Mac42DO> leaf-sheep: Yes, it is cosmetic. But I want it :-)
[04:07] <Mac42DO> I want the name, and I want the icon :-P
[04:08] <leaf-sheep> They need to change Firefox UI.  Branding.  You're already using FF-3.5.1 when you install firefox-3.5
[04:08] <bazhang> Mac42DO, right click icon select properties, then click the icon and scroll down for the FF logo
[04:08] <avihay> fritzisonline: I don't know if that's wrong or that's how kdirstat shows it's data
[04:09] <leaf-sheep> Mac42DO: Take it up in #ubuntu-mozillateam
[04:09] <Mac42DO> bazhang, thanx :-)
[04:09] <fritzisonline> ok i understand it .. but..
[04:09] <fritzisonline> how can i grant the permissions of my boot disc folders, when i 'm on live-cd session?
[04:09] <dennister> anyone know the conditions under which livecd just will not load completely?
[04:09] <fritzisonline> so i can keep deleteing files
[04:09] <bazhang> Mac42DO, it is still FF with that logo or not though (3.5.1)
[04:09] <dennister> on a p4 machine with 512 mb ram
[04:10] <avihay> fritzisonline: I'm just being lazy and five my file manager root privleges
[04:10] <Mac42DO> bazhang: yes, I understood that. But I like original-looking :-)
[04:10] <fritzisonline> alright
[04:11] <avihay> !info firefox-3.1
[04:12] <avihay> Mac42DO: I think that if you install that one, it will upgrade your exsisting FF to 3.5 insted of the seperate version, but I don't know for sure
[04:12] <avihay> and there is also !info firefox-3.5-branding
[04:13] <avihay> !info firefox-3.5-branding
[04:14] <brianWebb> is their going to be another versiion that will fix all the bugs in kubuntu
[04:14] <bazhang> brianWebb, version of what
[04:15] <brianWebb> kubuntu
[04:15] <bazhang> All?
[04:15] <fritzisonline> ok lastly... can i reinstall kubuntu on to my current system?
[04:15] <gDD> hey is anyone find out that the default GTK theme in Kubuntu 9.04 very nice.
[04:15] <avihay> did you meen a large ammount of update packages?
[04:16] <brianWebb> so you guys dont think kubuntu is really buggy
[04:16]  * avihay raises his hand
[04:16] <bazhang> brianWebb, better to specify, that is pretty vague
[04:16] <avihay> I do
[04:16] <Mac42DO> ok, thanx folks, bye :-)
[04:17] <gDD> so i want to make that theme run in my ArchLinux's GTK
[04:17] <brianWebb> ok wifi is hit or miss
[04:17] <gDD> but not successfull
[04:18] <bazhang> brianWebb, please clarify; which version of kde4, using the networkmanager or the plasmoid
[04:18] <bazhang> brianWebb, which wifi chipset etc
[04:18] <fritzisonline> can i delete var/cache/apt/archives/* by hand ?
[04:18] <brianWebb> bazhang: broadcom
[04:18] <bazhang> fritzisonline, no need
[04:19] <bazhang> apt-get clean should do that
[04:19] <david_> Hello everyone, I need help for something easy.......I have an additional hard drive that I want to have it mounted automatically and access it from a folder in the home directory.....can someone help me?
[04:19] <fritzisonline> ok. can i delete old linux restricted modules by hand ?
[04:19] <bazhang> brianWebb, and the rest of the info I asked above ^^
[04:20] <bazhang> fritzisonline, why? much better to use the package manager
[04:20] <fritzisonline> but there are 5 old modules listing
[04:21] <brianWebb> i cant remember it was a while ago i just reemember that it would crash freeze wifi wouldnt work, but im sure updates have been out sense i used it.
[04:21] <fritzisonline> and i'm very good user, i always use adept manager not the konsole
[04:21] <fritzisonline> wel anyway.
[04:22] <bazhang> brianWebb, which version of kde4? the recent RC2? networkmanager or the plasmoid? there are workarounds to issues if you specify the problem
[04:22] <bazhang> fritzisonline, console is the package manager if you use apt-get
[04:23] <fritzisonline> ok
[04:23] <brianWebb> im downloading kubuntu again and im going to see if it works better with my computer
[04:23] <bazhang> fritzisonline, you need to know the name of the package though sudo apt-get remove <packagename>
[04:23] <brianWebb> do you guys think kubuntu is thhe best kde distro
[04:23] <bazhang> brianWebb, you on Ubuntu now?
[04:23] <brianWebb> ya
[04:23] <fritzisonline> yes kubuntu rocks
[04:24] <bazhang> just install the kubuntu-deskstop package then and you have it, unless you want purekde
[04:24] <brianWebb> do you think you guys can help me partition my hd so i can dual boot
[04:24] <bazhang> brianWebb, then you can do the instructions in the /msg ubottu purekde
[04:25] <brianWebb> bazhang:  where do i find /msg ubottu purekde
[04:25] <bazhang> brianWebb, you type it where you are typing now
[04:26] <bazhang> always *very* useful to have a PM open with the bot
[04:27] <brianWebb> i dont wwant to del gnome packages though , thats why i want to dual boot or somthing like it
[04:27] <bazhang> brianWebb, dual boot with Windows?
[04:28] <bazhang> brianWebb, if you mean using gnome apps with kde then it is no problem, no need for dual boot
[04:28] <brianWebb> kubuntu and ubuntu, when i just installed kubuntu ontop of ubuntu the apps merged and it got cluittered
[04:28] <bazhang> or the reverse brianWebb
[04:29] <bazhang> ie k3b with Ubuntu , etc
[04:30] <bazhang> brianWebb, if you are short of disk space you can remove the packages you don't want, or simply use alacarte to clean up the menus
[04:30] <bazhang> ie they are still there, but dont show up in the menus anymore
[04:31] <dennister> anyone know the conditions under which livecd just will not load completely? p4 512 ram
[04:31] <fritzisonline> what kind of bug could be to declare the disc is full when it's not actually. sh*t.
[04:31] <bazhang> fritzisonline, no cursing please
[04:31] <brianWebb> do its the same as installed the kubuntu distro and just installing the kde4 package in synaptic
[04:31] <dennister> could a monitor change just automatically rewrite the xorg.conf file?
[04:32] <bazhang> dennister, checked the md5 of the iso? burned at low speed and did the disk integrity check?
[04:32] <brianWebb> sorry if i download the kde4 package in synaptic then just pick what one to use in session window
[04:32] <bazhang> dennister, alternately you can try some !bootoptions , or use the alternate cd
[04:33] <dennister> bazhang: yes, i did before I gave it to her with her machine, all worked fine here, i didn't touch/edit xorg.conf at all, she took box home, plugged in her mntior and now no x will load, and she can't even get livecd to finish loading
[04:33] <bazhang> brianWebb, yes, and you can remove packages you dont want, or clean menus using alacarte  (kubuntu-desktop is the package name for Jaunty 9.04)
[04:33] <DaskreeCH> brianWebb: there will be new versions of Kubuntu they will fix old bugs and start new bugs. That's how software works :)
[04:33] <bazhang> dennister, different video card/monitor?
[04:34] <dennister> i don't have machine anymore, but she'll be calling tomorrow night, and i've never heard of this before
[04:34] <dennister> bazhang: same integrated graphics as what worked here, only different monitor, keyboard, mouse
[04:34] <DaskreeCH> brianWebb: Don't know if it's the best but if you want other distros there are certainly others give them a try and see which one works for you
[04:34] <bazhang> dennister, could be her monitor is asking for too high a res from the video card
[04:34] <fritzisonline> ok guys thank you very much, it was a proper helping .. now i 'm stepping back for a time...... and i'll handle it later, one day it's gonna be solved :) never leave strugglin.
[04:35] <fritzisonline> ciao
[04:35] <DaskreeCH> bazhang: ah you can filter the menus in KDE I think
[04:35] <dennister> bazhang: yes, so how do we fix that? recovery mode's 'fix xserver did nothing
[04:35] <bazhang> dennister, if she gets a message such as 'out of range' that would be an indicator
[04:35] <DaskreeCH> dennister: Maybe power issues? where does it stop working ?
[04:35] <dennister> no messages...just grey/blackish screen with 'x' in middle
[04:35] <bazhang> DaskreeCH, kde4 equivalent to alacarte? or is that the only one
[04:35] <DaskreeCH> bazhang: Yeah
[04:35] <DaskreeCH> kmenuedit
[04:36] <bazhang> cheers :)
[04:36] <brianWebb> so kde4 rc2 is the most recent one?
[04:36] <bazhang> not sure if that is a PPA or backports
[04:36] <dennister> DaskreeCH: does the x she see in the middle of the screen mean x is actually working?
[04:37] <DaskreeCH> dennister: So X is starting then She's not getting kdm
[04:37] <DaskreeCH> dennister: yes. She can try sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg which should fix that
[04:37] <ubuntukl> were do I go to find startup errors?
[04:38] <dennister> DaskreeCH: when she left here there was only one xorg.conf, when she got home and turned machine on, calling me for tech support, there was an xorg.conf.xxxxxxxx, too, so somehow it had been rewritten
[04:38] <DaskreeCH> ubuntukl: type dmesg
[04:38] <bazhang> ubuntukl, remove the splash screen?
[04:39] <DaskreeCH> dennister: Ugh. Did you switch back to the old xorg ?
[04:39] <dennister> DaskreeCH: we tried, didn't help
[04:40] <dennister> in recovery mode, we also tried 'fix xserver' but that didn't help either, and isn't 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" the same thing as 'fix xserver' from recovery menu?
[04:40] <dennister> and livecd wouldn't completely load....
[04:41] <COm_BOY> how to change screen resolution in.. Kubuntu 8.04
[04:41] <ubuntukl> DaskreeCH: on live cd right now trying to figure out y   I cant log in keep getting some i915 driver error at startup
[04:41] <brianWebb> im having a hard time finding kde4 in synaptic
[04:41] <bazhang> brianWebb, its called kubuntu-desktop
[04:41] <brianWebb> o
[04:42] <DaskreeCH> dennister: I think it might be I don't know
[04:42] <DaskreeCH> ubuntukl: Ah that's different you'd have to mount your hard drive
[04:42] <ubuntukl> DaskreeCH: can i acces  those error mesages  from live cd?
[04:42] <dennister> under what conditions will livecd not load on a fairly modern desktop?
[04:43] <DaskreeCH> ubuntukl: Yes it's under /var/log/dmesg
[04:43] <dennister> sorry, starts to load, but doesn't finish with panel on top and kicker on bottom?
[04:43] <brianWebb> kubuntu-desktop version 1.122 is that the new one
[04:43] <DaskreeCH> dennister: Funky Cd ?
[04:43] <ubuntukl> DaskreeCH: YEAH I MOUNTED IT ALLREADY BUT NOT SURE WERE TO LOOK FOR ERR MESSAGES
[04:43] <bazhang> brianWebb, the very newest RC2?
[04:44] <bazhang> ubuntukl, no caps please
[04:44] <DaskreeCH> ubuntukl: I just said where
[04:44] <DaskreeCH> Think that was an obvious mistake
[04:44] <bazhang> DaskreeCH, is the RC2 on a PPA or backports, would you know?
[04:44] <ubuntukl> DaskreeCH: sry dont kikll me I am legally blind geez!
[04:45] <DaskreeCH> bazhang: both
[04:45] <DaskreeCH> For some unknown reason
[04:45] <bazhang> DaskreeCH, thanks
[04:46] <brianWebb> bazhang:  it doesnt say rc2 insynaptic it just say kubuntu desktop version 1.122
[04:46] <bazhang> brianWebb, right, but that is the package version, not the version of kde4
[04:46] <brianWebb> ok sorry
[04:47] <bazhang> brianWebb, once you install that you will need to enable backports and install the RC2 from there
[04:47] <bazhang> brianWebb, keeping in mind that it is still pretty new, so some bugs will *definitely* exist :)
[04:50] <brianWebb> i  think i knpow but how to enable backports
[04:51] <bazhang> brianWebb, you have them enabled, then be sure to update your sources.list
[04:51] <bazhang> either via synaptic/adept et al, or sudo apt-get update
[04:52] <brianWebb> bazhang:  after i am running kde
[04:53] <bazhang> brianWebb, certainly, you can do it then
[04:53] <dennister> DaskreeCH: sorry, had to go 'way for a bit...no, i don't think it's a funky cd...it not loading fully (but starts ok) seems more analagous to user getting x in middle of her screen, but nothing else...and the only new item is her monitor
[04:54] <brianWebb> cool, but i would prefer if the kde and gnome apps didnt merge
[04:54] <dennister> when i installed the kubuntu here, i didn't have her monitor, but a plug-and-play fairly good one
[04:55] <brianWebb> ok im gboing to log out then change the session ill be back
[04:56] <dennister> DaskreeCH: heck, user didn't have the opportunity to screw up new install since leaving here with box :-)
[04:58] <DaskreeCH> dennister: well yeah did you try the safe graphics mode ?
[04:59] <dennister> DaskreeCH: yes, and it wouldn't fully load with panel on top and kicker on bottom
[04:59] <dennister> (gnome livecd)
[04:59] <DaskreeCH> dennister: ah right was trying to figure the panel at top thing
[04:59] <DaskreeCH> well that means no Gnome since it enforces having at least one panel in code
[04:59] <dennister> lots of time just copying xorg.conf from livecd onto mounted hard drive fixes things, but if livecd doesn't fully work...
[05:01] <DaskreeCH> dennister: Yeah I guess there needs to be a little reconfiguring there
[05:01] <dennister> it is VERY rare when livecd doesn't fully load on p4 machine with 512 ram...and it's that fact that's really confusing me here
[05:02] <dennister> and the only thing being different is the monitor...
[05:02] <dennister> i've never seen this kind of problem before :(
[05:03] <dennister> except once, when it was a blind user who had a verbal screen-reader/scanner hooked up and acting like a monitor
[05:04] <Neroon> Hi. Could anybody maybe tell me where to deactivate the hotkey for mouse navigation in kde?
[05:05] <DaskreeCH> shortcuts?
[05:05] <ubuntukl> how do I get linux to see my grpx card at startup istead of automaticaly goinb to onboard?
[05:07] <DaskreeCH> ubuntukl: If it's installed just change the driver in xorg.conf ]
[05:08] <Neroon> Noone got a clue?
[05:10] <ubuntukl> DaskreeCH: it is installed and using recomended driver but when I switch the monitor cable over it freezes
[05:12] <ubuntukl> DaskreeCH: only way I can log in is to go into bios switch to onboard and then im ok but when i try to use grpx cars it freezes
[05:12] <Ulric> why do you switch the cable?
[05:13] <ubuntukl> Ulric: couse whole system freezes if I dont use onboard
[05:16] <Ulric> i take it you've had the GPU working before yeah?
[05:17] <ubuntukl> Ulric: yup it has something to do  with linux recognizing my onboardgraphics first or something
[05:20] <Ulric> how old is your M/B?
[05:33] <Ulric> quick question to anyone. Does anyone still have onboard graphics??
[05:47] <zountou05> hi every  one
[05:47] <zountou05> i have a prob
[05:48] <zountou05> is here some one how can help me
[06:07] <DaskreeCH> Ulric: Yes most people in the world
[06:30] <RktMan_> kde4 roolz
[06:54] <Vi_Vi> umm, hello?
[06:55] <Vi_Vi> Who's all alive in here?
[06:56] <DaskreeCH> I am
[06:56] <Vi_Vi> Oookay
[06:56] <Vi_Vi> 1 soul X)
[06:56] <Vi_Vi> basically i just got Linux going
[06:56] <DaskreeCH> ok good for you
[06:56] <Vi_Vi> And i'm so lost i may as well be blind and trying to use a computer
[06:57] <DaskreeCH> Funny you should mention that I'm setting up a computer for a blind person
[06:57] <Vi_Vi> i call bull
[06:57] <DaskreeCH> But if you need help here would be the place to ask questions
[06:57] <Vi_Vi> Oh man i hope so
[06:57] <DaskreeCH> Vi_Vi: You can name your bull whatever you like :)
[06:57] <Vi_Vi> i cant even get basics down
[06:57] <Vi_Vi> ...
[06:58] <Vi_Vi> (facepalm)
[06:58] <Vi_Vi> I deserved that
[06:58] <Vi_Vi> lol anyway.. we're talking almost a total newbie
[06:58] <DaskreeCH> Well again if you want to ask questions GO ahead
[06:58] <Vi_Vi> IM GETTING THERE
[06:58] <Vi_Vi> stop pressuring me >_<
[06:59] <DaskreeCH> lol
[06:59] <Vi_Vi> Jokes. ANyway my Vista OS is enjoying big piles of shiet so
[06:59] <Vi_Vi> I did a secure erase and said damn the whole thing
[06:59] <Vi_Vi> Trust me it was chaos for no reason, go figure Vita Ult x64
[06:59] <Vi_Vi> Anyway
[06:59] <Vi_Vi> I guess the first thing i need to learn is
[06:59] <Vi_Vi> Well, how do i install things. I floundered with a few things and got them working but
[07:00] <Vi_Vi> Im at a total loss otherwise. no firefox, no flash, no nvidia driver
[07:00] <Vi_Vi> I have the uhhh packages i guess
[07:00] <Vi_Vi> Hold on lemme get dolphin up
[07:00] <DaskreeCH> !install
[07:00] <DaskreeCH> Try the first link
[07:00] <Vi_Vi> Well i followed the guide here http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/softinstall.html
[07:00] <DaskreeCH> Which I should probably read myself :)
[07:01] <Vi_Vi> maaaaybe >_>
[07:01] <Vi_Vi> Well i dunno, i have the tar.gz and tar.bz2 packages for stuff
[07:01] <Vi_Vi> But as i went along the steps nothing seemed to work
[07:01] <DaskreeCH> Vi_Vi: For which programs ?
[07:01] <Vi_Vi> Kk ill be specific
[07:01] <Vi_Vi> lets say...
[07:01] <Vi_Vi> Flash. hold on
[07:02] <DaskreeCH> right
[07:02] <DaskreeCH> and firefox ?
[07:02] <Vi_Vi> Yes
[07:02] <Vi_Vi> Tell ya what
[07:02] <Vi_Vi> Lets start with FF first
[07:02] <Vi_Vi> so i can do flash from there
[07:02] <Vi_Vi> Anyway this is the package name firefox-3.5.1.tar.bz2
[07:03] <bazhang> Vi_Vi, no need for that
[07:03] <Vi_Vi> no?
[07:03] <bazhang> !ff35 | Vi_Vi
[07:03] <Vi_Vi> umm alrite
[07:03] <DaskreeCH> Vi_Vi: on your kmenu
[07:03] <DaskreeCH> You should have a entry named kpackagekit
[07:03] <Vi_Vi> Yeah ive seen it
[07:03] <DaskreeCH> open it
[07:03] <Vi_Vi> finding it in applications
[07:03] <Vi_Vi> im in
[07:04] <DaskreeCH> ok click on umm the third thing in the sidebar
[07:04] <DaskreeCH> Hold on :)
[07:04] <DaskreeCH> settings
[07:04] <Vi_Vi> settings
[07:04] <Vi_Vi> :P
[07:04] <DaskreeCH> Edit software sources
[07:05] <Vi_Vi> kk im in
[07:05] <DaskreeCH> Check universe and multivers
[07:06] <Vi_Vi> umm.. uncheck?
[07:06] <DaskreeCH> Oh Hmm ok good :)
[07:06] <Vi_Vi> yeah all 5 of the little boxes are checked off
[07:06] <DaskreeCH> ok close that back out and go to updates
[07:06] <DaskreeCH> Software updates
[07:06] <Vi_Vi> Yep
[07:06] <Vi_Vi> 4 blocked updates
[07:06] <DaskreeCH> Click refresh
[07:07] <Vi_Vi> ookay
[07:07] <Vi_Vi> this part is weird
[07:07] <Vi_Vi> I only ever see the 4 blcked updates
[07:07] <DaskreeCH> then click software management
[07:07] <Vi_Vi> But the little cog thing on the bototm right says 8
[07:07] <Vi_Vi> Im in.
[07:07] <DaskreeCH> in the search box type firefox
[07:07] <Vi_Vi> oh wow
[07:07] <Vi_Vi> a bunch of results
[07:08] <DaskreeCH> click the little + beside firefox 3.5 branding
[07:08] <Vi_Vi> kk
[07:08] <DaskreeCH> Might as well click firefox 3.5 as well
[07:08] <Vi_Vi> all righty
[07:08] <DaskreeCH> Can't recall if they are tired together :)
[07:09] <Vi_Vi> 3.5.1 and branding checked
[07:09] <DaskreeCH> Ok clear the search box and type flash
[07:09] <Vi_Vi> i see 2 already highlighted
[07:09] <DaskreeCH> You want flashplugin-nonfree
[07:09] <Vi_Vi> Yep its already hilighted
[07:09] <Vi_Vi> that and Installer
[07:09] <DaskreeCH> Ok Lets see
[07:10] <Vi_Vi> amd64..?
[07:10] <DaskreeCH> clear the search and type kubuntu-restricted
[07:10] <Vi_Vi> k
[07:10] <DaskreeCH> Well if you installed the 64 bit Kubuntu then yes
[07:10] <Vi_Vi> 1 result
[07:10] <Vi_Vi> I'm pretty sure this is 32-bit..
[07:10] <Vi_Vi> how would i double-check
[07:11] <DaskreeCH> Umm I guess ..
[07:11] <DaskreeCH> hold on :)
[07:11] <Vi_Vi> np ^^
[07:12] <divobtech> Hello
[07:12] <DaskreeCH> I don't know a good gui way  I know how to do it on the console
[07:12] <Vi_Vi> i can get there
[07:12] <DaskreeCH> Ok open that and type uname -a
[07:12] <divobtech> someone use antivir on ubuntu?
[07:12] <Vi_Vi> x86
[07:12] <Vi_Vi> yep! 32
[07:13] <DaskreeCH> ok good then no AMD64 :)
[07:13] <divobtech> ^vi^:
[07:13] <DaskreeCH> divobtech: Somebody? yes
[07:13] <DaskreeCH> Vi_Vi: is kubuntu-restricted installed?
[07:14] <divobtech> ^das^: why there is no graphique interface
[07:14] <Vi_Vi> no its grayed out
[07:14] <divobtech> ?
[07:14] <DaskreeCH> hmm ok
[07:14] <DaskreeCH> Vi_Vi: install libxine1-ffmpeg
[07:14] <Vi_Vi> searched for it like u said
[07:14] <Vi_Vi> comes up gray
[07:14] <Vi_Vi> k
[07:14] <Vi_Vi> wait
[07:14] <DaskreeCH> divobtech: Cause No one needs it?
[07:14] <Vi_Vi> is that a konsole cmd
[07:14] <DaskreeCH> !av | divobtech
[07:15] <DaskreeCH> Vi_Vi: No in Kpackagekit
[07:15] <Vi_Vi> oh um..
[07:15] <divobtech> ok thanks
[07:15] <Vi_Vi> id have to search for that 1st yeah?
[07:15] <DaskreeCH> search for libxine1-ff
[07:15] <DaskreeCH> Yeah
[07:15] <Vi_Vi> i did aaand
[07:15] <Vi_Vi> its highlighted
[07:16] <DaskreeCH> Ok then you should be fine what else were you installing ?
[07:16] <Vi_Vi> adobe flash player 10, firefox, an nvidia driver update
[07:16] <Vi_Vi> to start
[07:16] <Vi_Vi> I tried reading guides to do the whole thing thru console but.. no go
[07:16] <DaskreeCH> ok hit apply and all that should be installed
[07:16] <Vi_Vi> kk
[07:16] <Vi_Vi> oh thats handy
[07:17] <Vi_Vi> The 2 firefox packages are being downloaded
[07:17] <DaskreeCH> Vi_Vi: When that's done then you can go to the kmenu -> applications -> system -> hardware drivers
[07:18] <DaskreeCH> It will have the nvidia drivers
[07:18] <Vi_Vi> Oh wow thats convenient.
[07:18] <DaskreeCH> welcome to Linux
[07:18] <Vi_Vi> I was trying to do everything from the source and having a hard time with it
[07:18] <Vi_Vi> maybe once u understand it ^_-
[07:18] <DaskreeCH> really convenient and really annoying
[07:18] <DaskreeCH> :-D
[07:18] <Vi_Vi> Linux seems like it requires a Ph.D just to get going x_X Certaintly not a noob's OS
[07:18] <DaskreeCH> Neither is Windows
[07:19] <DaskreeCH> Trust me I've taught both
[07:19] <supergear_> use a BSD
[07:19] <DaskreeCH> Windows is easier to throw someone in but they won't swim unless determined
[07:19] <DaskreeCH> after like a month on LInux you have a pretty good feeling of mastery over the computer
[07:19] <Vi_Vi> Ive had it too long to remember being new to it
[07:20] <DaskreeCH> That would be the problem
[07:20] <DaskreeCH> but ask questions where you need to and we can help
[07:20] <supergear_> I don't thik you become a master of linux using *buntu
[07:20] <DaskreeCH> !info bsdgames | supergear_ In the Game man!
[07:21] <DaskreeCH> supergear_: I never said that I said you feel a mastery over the computer :)
[07:21] <DaskreeCH> mastering Linux is a fools quest
[07:21] <supergear_> didn't say go play bsdgames :P
[07:21] <Vi_Vi> Its a quest i gotta take
[07:21] <Vi_Vi> I'll be back restarting!
[07:21] <supergear_> do a Linux From Scratch
[07:21] <Vi_Vi> never
[07:21] <DaskreeCH> Vi_Vi: restarting?
[07:21] <DaskreeCH> Oh nvidia drivers
[07:22] <DaskreeCH> Stupid Ubuntu
[07:23] <DaskreeCH> Ulric: Yes most people in the world
[07:23] <Ulric> YES!!! I got my Creative X-Fi working
[07:24] <DaskreeCH> Whoot!
[07:24] <DaskreeCH> That's a good job
[07:24] <Ulric> I know. last time I tried openSUSE and I couldn't get it going.
[07:25] <Ulric> What was the " Yes most people..." thing about?
[07:25] <DaskreeCH> The last question you asked
[07:25] <DaskreeCH> or the answer to it
[07:27] <Ulric> That was about onboard graphics hey
[07:28] <kayess> How do change the maximum desktop extents under Jaunty? This used to be xorg.conf, but I guess there's nothing in there now
[07:30] <fiendskull9> Can someone help me setup dcop so i can use an irssi now playing script with amarok? I can't seem to get it working.
[07:33] <DaskreeCH> kayess: If you put it in xorg.conf then X will follow it
[07:33] <DaskreeCH> fiendskull9: KDE3 ?
[07:34] <fiendskull9> DaskreeCH: KDE4
[07:34] <DaskreeCH> dcop doesnt work in KDE4
[07:34] <fiendskull9> damnit
[07:35] <DaskreeCH> you want dbus
[07:35] <fiendskull9> hmmm, all the irssi scripts are written for dcop though
[07:36] <fiendskull9> does amarok communicate with dbus to your knowledge? Because i could hack together a perl script with what little knowledge i still retain
[07:37] <DaskreeCH> Well then you want to find out how to port them to DBus
[07:38] <DaskreeCH> Yes it does
[07:38] <DaskreeCH> You can pop into #amarok and if anyone is awake now (doubtful) they will help
[07:40] <tsimpson> (tip) use qdbus to like dcop, it'll let you view/call the methods from amarok (and other apps)
[07:40] <tsimpson> s/to //
[07:40] <Vi_Vi> badow!
[07:40] <Vi_Vi> Wheres that Linux Sage at
[07:40] <fiendskull9> thank you DaskreeCH and tsimpson
[07:41] <Vi_Vi> Thats him Dask
[07:41] <fiendskull9> Im a member of a music community and we all like to spam what we're playing
[07:41]  * DaskreeCH picks up an axe
[07:42] <DaskreeCH> Spam! Spam! Spam! Spam! Spam! Spam! Spam! Spam! Spam! Spam! Spam! Spam!
[07:42] <fiendskull9> :O
[07:42] <Vi_Vi> SPAM SPAM!
[07:42] <ridzaq> ?
[07:43] <Vi_Vi> oookay
[07:43] <Vi_Vi> Flash stuff still limited on my browser
[07:44] <Vi_Vi> This is where i need to get adobe flash player 10 workin
[07:44] <DaskreeCH> ah well then hit up Adobe's site
[07:45] <Vi_Vi> Das what i did my good sir
[07:45] <Vi_Vi> This is where i need to learn how to install from source
[07:45] <Vi_Vi> One second!
[07:45] <DaskreeCH> Well not source
[07:45] <DaskreeCH>  there is no source for flash
[07:45] <DaskreeCH> Which would be the problem :)
[07:45] <Vi_Vi> erm
[07:46] <Vi_Vi> then what did i download just now
[07:46] <Vi_Vi> went to Get Flash Player
[07:46] <Vi_Vi> chose the .tar.gz package
[07:46] <Vi_Vi> and downloaded
[07:46] <DaskreeCH> ok
[07:47] <DaskreeCH> You want to use that one or do you want to get the Deb ?
[07:47] <Vi_Vi> o.o"
[07:47] <Vi_Vi> What :)
[07:47] <tsimpson> the .deb downloads the same .tar.gz
[07:48] <Vi_Vi> why are they in 2 formats
[07:48] <DaskreeCH> Vi_Vi: The deb is a more automatic way of installing
[07:48] <Vi_Vi> if theyre the same?
[07:48] <Vi_Vi> I like automatic :D
[07:48] <Vi_Vi> on their site tho
[07:48] <DaskreeCH> Well grab the deb then
[07:48] <Vi_Vi> says for ubuntu 8.04+ tho
[07:49] <Vi_Vi> I is Kubuntu 9.04. same deal?
[07:49] <DaskreeCH> yeah
[07:49] <Vi_Vi> mmmmkay
[07:50] <Vi_Vi> okay
[07:50] <Vi_Vi> deb is got
[07:50] <DaskreeCH> ok open konsole and cd to where you downloaded it
[07:50] <Vi_Vi> thats where i get confused
[07:50] <Vi_Vi> lemme get konsole up
[07:51] <Vi_Vi> kk now what does it mean
[07:51] <Vi_Vi> to "cd to" somewhere
[07:51] <Vi_Vi> point it to the file's directory?
[07:51] <DaskreeCH> where did you Download them to?
[07:51] <Vi_Vi> well firefox doesnt drop them where Konqueror would but
[07:51] <Vi_Vi> I placed it where they always go one sec IMs
[07:52] <Vi_Vi> well for flash player
[07:52] <Vi_Vi> the directory is /home/stephen/Documents
[07:52] <DaskreeCH> ok then type cd Documents
[07:53] <DaskreeCH> capital D is important
[07:53] <DaskreeCH> cd means change directory
[07:53] <Vi_Vi> Kk
[07:53] <Vi_Vi> i got the $ in front of it now
[07:53] <DaskreeCH> type ls
[07:53] <DaskreeCH> you should see a list of files
[07:53] <Vi_Vi> why didnt this work before...
[07:54] <Vi_Vi> yes
[07:54] <DaskreeCH> Is the deb there ?
[07:54] <Vi_Vi> winrarlinx and flash plaer linux are shown
[07:54] <Vi_Vi> yup
[07:54] <DaskreeCH> ok sudo dpkg -i flashplayer_10etc.deb
[07:54] <DaskreeCH> If you press tab it will autocomplete the name for ou
[07:54] <DaskreeCH> you
[07:55] <Vi_Vi> is sudo dpkg -i  going to be a universal thing for any pakcage i might try to install?
[07:55] <DaskreeCH> any deb
[07:55] <Vi_Vi> Roge
[07:55] <Vi_Vi> r
[07:55] <Captain_Haddock> DaskreeCH: won't he just be able to navigate to it in Konqueror and install it via right click?
[07:55] <Vi_Vi> Dare to dream :P
[07:56] <Captain_Haddock> Vi_Vi: I'm saying that you can already do that :)
[07:56] <DaskreeCH> Captain_Haddock: yeah but he wants to master Linux might as well have two lessons at once :)
[07:56] <Vi_Vi> well...
[07:56] <Vi_Vi> master it enuf to get Steamd with Team Fortress 2 going..
[07:56] <Captain_Haddock> heh
[07:56] <Vi_Vi> Whaddya mean he
[07:56] <DaskreeCH> assuming he
[07:56] <Vi_Vi> assuming = death
[07:57] <Vi_Vi> Jus fuckin wichoo
[07:57] <Vi_Vi> BUT!
[07:57] <DaskreeCH> !ohmy
[07:57] <Vi_Vi> this right-click business
[07:57] <Vi_Vi> oh right right
[07:57] <Vi_Vi> Sorry
[07:57] <Vi_Vi> But what was the right-click thing?
[07:57] <Vi_Vi> changing it to executable?
[07:58] <Vi_Vi> uhh
[07:58] <Vi_Vi> this is weird
[07:58] <Vi_Vi> error processing install_flash_player_10_linux.db
[07:58] <DaskreeCH> deb
[07:58] <Vi_Vi> package architecture (i386) does not match system
[07:58] <Vi_Vi> amd64
[07:58] <DaskreeCH> pfft
[07:59] <Vi_Vi> doesnt add up im an x86 linux OS
[08:00] <tsimpson> try with sudo dpkg -i --force-architecture
[08:00] <Vi_Vi> package name goes in after the -i and before the --  correct?
[08:00] <DaskreeCH> no after the whole thing
[08:00] <Vi_Vi> Mmmkay
[08:01] <Vi_Vi> yeha it asked if i wanted to install
[08:01] <Vi_Vi> but it only ever says Error
[08:01] <Vi_Vi> anyway triyng to cmd now
[08:02] <Vi_Vi> dependancy problems
[08:02] <Vi_Vi> leaving unconfigured
[08:02] <Vi_Vi> i get a vague feeling motherboard is involved with why this wont work
[08:02] <Vi_Vi> i dunno i just vibe that. even if its totally inaccurate :P
[08:02] <tsimpson> now try "sudo apt-get -f install"
[08:02] <DaskreeCH> what does uname -r say ?
[08:03] <Vi_Vi> ends with generic
[08:03] <tsimpson> it'll depend on the 32bit compatibility libs probably
[08:03] <Vi_Vi> 2.6.28-11-generic
[08:04] <DaskreeCH> hmm
[08:04] <Vi_Vi> autoinstall wont play ball either. probably cuz of this.
[08:08] <Vi_Vi> Feel like i could cry.
[08:08] <DaskreeCH> Vi_Vi: Well you have the tar.gz ?
[08:08] <Vi_Vi> I can get it?
[08:08] <DaskreeCH> I thought you downloaded it already
[08:09] <Vi_Vi> weeell i gotta fish it from the trash
[08:09] <DaskreeCH> ok do that
[08:09] <Vi_Vi> ach, closed konsole
[08:09] <DaskreeCH> You shouldn't need the konsole
[08:10] <DaskreeCH> Click the trash and restore the file
[08:10] <Vi_Vi> done
[08:10] <Vi_Vi> no i mean i closed it.
[08:10] <Vi_Vi> on accident
[08:10] <Vi_Vi> but anyway i have the tarball back
[08:10] <DaskreeCH> you called it a tarball ?
[08:10] <Vi_Vi> i shouldnt?
[08:11] <Vi_Vi> Fiiiiiiine i have the .tar.gz back
[08:11] <DaskreeCH> Just surprised you learned that term already
[08:11] <Vi_Vi> oh. alright =P
[08:11] <DaskreeCH> right click it and extract it here
[08:11] <Vi_Vi> um here?
[08:11] <DaskreeCH> It's a menu option
[08:11] <Vi_Vi> OH
[08:12] <Vi_Vi> gotcha
[08:12] <DaskreeCH> Extract here
[08:12] <Vi_Vi> yeah yeah
[08:12] <Vi_Vi> this is where i stumbled yesterday
[08:12] <Vi_Vi> done
[08:12] <DaskreeCH> Did it make a subdir ?
[08:13] <Vi_Vi> yup
[08:13] <DaskreeCH> ok click that
[08:13] <Vi_Vi> ima rename it flash tho
[08:13] <Vi_Vi> make it easier
[08:13] <DaskreeCH> sure
[08:13] <Vi_Vi> kk im in the contents of it
[08:13] <DaskreeCH> press F4
[08:13] <DaskreeCH> should pop up a little terminal at the bottom
[08:14] <Vi_Vi> should but
[08:14] <Vi_Vi> i dont see one
[08:14] <Vi_Vi> how bout
[08:14] <DaskreeCH> Do you see the word terminal at the bottom of the panel ?
[08:14] <Vi_Vi> if i just right-click the folder itself
[08:14] <Vi_Vi> and do the open terminal action on it
[08:15] <DaskreeCH> Hmm never tried that :)
[08:15] <DaskreeCH> ok
[08:15] <Vi_Vi> lets give that a go
[08:15] <Vi_Vi> cuz i dunno what panel u mean :P
[08:15] <Vi_Vi> Documents/flash$
[08:15] <DaskreeCH> sh install<tab>
[08:16] <Vi_Vi> sh: can't open install
[08:16] <Vi_Vi> must mean the name of the installer
[08:17] <Vi_Vi> so i went with that aaaaaaaaaamd
[08:17] <DaskreeCH> Vi_Vi: Yeah pressin tab should autocomplete it for you
[08:17] <Vi_Vi> my architecture x86_64 is not supported
[08:17] <DaskreeCH> How did you install Kubuntu ?
[08:17] <Vi_Vi> Brother gave me a Kubuntu 9.04 disc
[08:17] <Vi_Vi> one he made anyway
[08:18] <DaskreeCH> Ah so you would have no idea if it was i386 or AMD64 disc
[08:18] <Vi_Vi> If i knew where he got the OS itself from to make it maybe
[08:18] <Vi_Vi> But no i wouldnt know otherwise
[08:18] <Vi_Vi> He SAYS its a 32-bit
[08:18] <DaskreeCH> ok and uname -r seems to back that up
[08:20] <Vi_Vi> what did u get from 2.6.28-11-generic ?
[08:20] <Vi_Vi> Wuzzat mean
[08:21] <DaskreeCH> what processor do you have ?
[08:21] <Vi_Vi> Intel Core 2 Duo
[08:21] <Vi_Vi> >_>
[08:22] <Vi_Vi> 2.53 ghz.
[08:22] <DaskreeCH> Hmm Might flip on 64 Bit mode
[08:23] <Vi_Vi> i think my parts work to best go with a 64-bit deal
[08:23] <fiendskull9> Hey i hacked together a dbus/amarok script :D
[08:23] <Vi_Vi> but im just guessin
[08:23] <Vi_Vi> how do u hack somethin together lol
[08:23] <DaskreeCH> fiendskull9: That works?
[08:23] <Vi_Vi> u can hack stuff APART  i know that
[08:23] <fiendskull9> DaskreeCH: Yep :), found a dbus command to show metadata for the playing file
[08:23] <DaskreeCH> Vi_Vi: nope in Computers you hack them together
[08:23] <Vi_Vi> How bizarre
[08:24] <DaskreeCH> Yeah
[08:24] <Vi_Vi> Okay so apparently im like
[08:24] <Vi_Vi> In limbo here
[08:24] <Vi_Vi> stuck between x86 and x64 =P
[08:24] <Vi_Vi> or some nonsense
[08:24] <DaskreeCH> Yeah I'm going to treat ou as if you are x64
[08:24] <Vi_Vi> Maybe that would work best.
[08:24] <Vi_Vi> I want Steam and TF2 to work properly but id settle for haivng flash player working D_D
[08:24] <Vi_Vi> and audio on the net would be just lovely lol
[08:26] <DaskreeCH> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/install-flash-10-ubuntu-linux-64bit.html
[08:27] <Vi_Vi> ummm
[08:27] <Vi_Vi> okay
[08:27] <Vi_Vi> one sec
[08:28] <Vi_Vi> yeah i got nothin
[08:28] <DaskreeCH> no errors?
[08:29] <Vi_Vi> no i mean
[08:29] <Vi_Vi> nada lol
[08:29] <Vi_Vi> no go
[08:29] <Vi_Vi> copied the shell script
[08:29] <Vi_Vi> closed out konqueror
[08:29] <FloodBotK1> Vi_Vi: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:29] <Vi_Vi> pasted in konsole
[08:29] <DaskreeCH> ha ha you don't need to do that
[08:29] <Vi_Vi> -_-"
[08:29] <DaskreeCH> it's in Download ?
[08:29] <DaskreeCH> I mean Documents ?
[08:30] <Vi_Vi> yes
[08:30] <DaskreeCH> ok in th console type sh then the script name
[08:30] <Vi_Vi> ohh
[08:30] <DaskreeCH> again if you press tab it will auto complete what you are typing
[08:30] <Vi_Vi> download off the shell script h/l
[08:31] <DaskreeCH> so you don't need to type in the whole name
[08:31] <Vi_Vi> btw
[08:31] <DaskreeCH> or rather type out the whole name
[08:31] <Vi_Vi> i dont see how tab helps
[08:32] <Vi_Vi> i started typing the name of the script
[08:32] <Vi_Vi> and hit tab
[08:32] <Vi_Vi> no autocomplete
[08:32] <DaskreeCH> hit it again
[08:32] <Vi_Vi> i mean i hit it like 50 times lol
[08:32] <Vi_Vi> woah what the
[08:32] <DaskreeCH> It will show you what files have the same name you can type more letters till it's unique and it will auto complete
[08:33] <Vi_Vi> tab only worked when i typed sh
[08:33] <Vi_Vi> and then immediately hit it
[08:33] <Vi_Vi> but that sint what u mean
[08:33] <DaskreeCH> no that's autocomplete of the commands you can run
[08:33] <Vi_Vi> Yeah.
[08:33] <Vi_Vi> a/c doesnt work for me when we're talkin package names
[08:33] <Vi_Vi> well no matter i can just copy-paste when i need to
[08:34] <Vi_Vi> what the
[08:34] <Vi_Vi> cant open flash10_en.sh
[08:34] <DaskreeCH> type sh<space>flash<tab>
[08:34] <DaskreeCH> that's the only error ?
[08:34] <Vi_Vi> yup
[08:34] <DaskreeCH> ok press up and put sudo before sh
[08:34] <Vi_Vi> k
[08:35] <Vi_Vi> asks for my sudo password
[08:35] <DaskreeCH> Right
[08:35] <Vi_Vi> it hink i rememebr this one
[08:35] <Vi_Vi> its not my acct pw
[08:35] <DaskreeCH> That's the password you used to login
[08:35] <Vi_Vi> oookay..
[08:35] <DaskreeCH> No it is
[08:35] <Vi_Vi> then this is odd
[08:35] <DaskreeCH> ok what's odd about it?
[08:36] <Vi_Vi> well i guess its because the directory its pointed at
[08:36] <Vi_Vi> is only..
[08:36] <Vi_Vi> ~$
[08:36] <Vi_Vi> doesnt say documents
[08:36] <FloodBotK1> Vi_Vi: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:36] <DaskreeCH> Ah
[08:36] <DaskreeCH> it should I think
[08:36] <DaskreeCH> type pwd
[08:36] <Vi_Vi> Roight! must correct this
[08:36] <DaskreeCH> that tells you where you are
[08:36] <Vi_Vi> yeah im in my user
[08:36] <DaskreeCH> right so either cd Documents
[08:36] <Vi_Vi> cd Documents
[08:37] <DaskreeCH> or you can sudo sh Documents/flash10_en.sh
[08:37] <Vi_Vi> done
[08:37] <Vi_Vi> ^^
[08:37] <DaskreeCH> either should work
[08:37] <Vi_Vi> Done = all good =P
[08:37] <DaskreeCH> press up and try the command again :)
[08:37] <Vi_Vi> great success sir
[08:37] <DaskreeCH> Check out your flash
[08:38] <Vi_Vi> hmm..
[08:38] <Vi_Vi> chatango is not working... which it should was I ok
[08:38] <DaskreeCH> That's a website ?
[08:39] <Vi_Vi> yeah it needs the flash player
[08:39] <Vi_Vi> to display friendlist and whatnot properly
[08:39] <Vi_Vi> to allow connection
[08:39] <Vi_Vi> Double-checked by going to adobe.com
[08:39] <Vi_Vi> too see if the movie would play
[08:39] <Vi_Vi> Aaaand no >_>
[08:39] <Vi_Vi> Not sure why this is so
[08:39] <DaskreeCH> which browser?
[08:40] <Vi_Vi> FireFox
[08:40] <Vi_Vi> I got the script thru Konqueror tho
[08:40] <Vi_Vi> does that matter
[08:41] <Vi_Vi> at the very least firefox is displaying a lot more than Konqueror is
[08:41] <DaskreeCH> no
[08:41] <Vi_Vi> But yeah the flash chat and the adobe movie are not working
[08:42] <Vi_Vi> Linking the libraries so that firefox can see them.
[08:42] <Vi_Vi> Done :-)
[08:42] <Vi_Vi> You may re-start Firefox now
[08:42] <Vi_Vi> seems like it worked
[08:42] <Vi_Vi> didnt cyberciti say i had to check the plugins somehow
[08:43] <DaskreeCH> you can type about:plugins in firefox
[08:43] <Vi_Vi> yeah
[08:43] <Vi_Vi> It sais Shockwave Flash and FutureSpalsh player are installed
[08:44] <Vi_Vi> but arent Shockwave and Flash 2 different items
[08:44] <DaskreeCH> youtube doesn't work?
[08:44] <DaskreeCH> Yeah I know
[08:44] <DaskreeCH> That sounds strange
[08:44] <Vi_Vi> aaand
[08:44] <Vi_Vi> youtube no longer works
[08:44] <Vi_Vi> Was before.
[08:44] <Vi_Vi> i mean videos i could see
[08:44] <Vi_Vi> I havent fixed the whole mute-net issue yet
[08:45] <DaskreeCH> grr Flash being closed source is a pain
[08:45] <Vi_Vi> Id have to agree lol
[08:45] <Vi_Vi> okay so oddly enuf i seem to have gone a step backward
[08:46] <Vi_Vi> this is an x86 os i dont understand
[08:46] <Vi_Vi> why the x86 download off the site is no-go
[08:46] <Vi_Vi> madness
[08:46] <DaskreeCH> what did you do to get it partly working before ?
[08:47] <Vi_Vi> I dont rememebr is tumbled thru it
[08:47] <Vi_Vi> although hold on
[08:47] <DaskreeCH> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[08:47] <Vi_Vi> Removing flashplugin-nonfree ...
[08:47] <Vi_Vi> Removing flashplugin-installer ...
[08:47] <Vi_Vi> yeah it did remove those 2.. before proceeding
[08:49] <DaskreeCH> OK on the citi site the first few comments say how to remove it You can run thsoe commands
[08:49] <Vi_Vi> Ima cry brother
[08:51] <DaskreeCH> Adobe has a 64 bit installer
[08:51] <Vi_Vi> does they?
[08:51] <Vi_Vi> I mean all i did was go get flash
[08:51] <Vi_Vi> and pick either deb or tar.gz
[08:51] <Vi_Vi> Why where is this 64-bit
[08:53] <DaskreeCH> Hmm
[08:53] <DaskreeCH> it redirects to the same page
[08:53] <Vi_Vi> yeah and i was reading the comments
[08:53] <Vi_Vi> The partial success i had on my own
[08:53] <Vi_Vi> THis other guy also can SEE videos
[08:53] <Vi_Vi> but has no audio on the web
[08:53] <Vi_Vi> but on my OS interface everything works
[08:54] <Vi_Vi> music, notify jingles, ect
[08:54] <DaskreeCH> ah hmm ok
[08:54] <DaskreeCH> did you run the uninstall rm commands?
[08:54] <Vi_Vi> err no was about to ask
[08:54] <Vi_Vi> i dont see these cmd lines on the page
[08:56] <Anish123> Hi guys
[08:56] <Anish123> How's everyone?
[08:56] <Vi_Vi> (hugs Anish)
[08:56] <Vi_Vi> mentally taxxed
[08:56] <Anish123> Hehe, why?
[08:56] <Vi_Vi> Even with dask's sagely guidance
[08:56] <Vi_Vi> Cuz apparently i have a bastardized OS lol
[08:56] <Vi_Vi> like a hybdrid of x86 and 64
[08:56] <Vi_Vi> or some nonsense
[08:56] <Vi_Vi> Oh!
[08:56] <Anish123> Im totally irritated with making Jaunty bootable /sob
[08:57] <Vi_Vi> i see the rm commands
[08:57] <DaskreeCH> http://paste.ubuntu.com/220983/
[08:57] <Anish123> Stupid netbooks, they should have CD Drives atleast ...
[08:57] <DaskreeCH> Anish123: How hard is that?
[08:59] <Anish123> Pretty hard
[08:59] <Vi_Vi> at least your flash works
[08:59] <DaskreeCH> !usb
[08:59] <Anish123> Coz I also need to get it to work on my laptop which has AMD 64 processor and turns out I have downloaded i386 version and  you have to go through a hell lot of nthing just to get it to work
[09:00] <DaskreeCH> no it should just work
[09:00] <DaskreeCH> You just won't get 64 biit
[09:00] <Vi_Vi> nspluginswapper..
[09:00] <Vi_Vi> isnt that supposed to make my 32-bit flash work
[09:00] <Vi_Vi> even if im x64 for some reason
[09:00] <DaskreeCH> Vi_Vi: something like that
[09:00] <Vi_Vi> Apparently not lol
[09:00] <Vi_Vi> well i ran each command 1 by 1
[09:00] <Vi_Vi> and hit Y when prompted so
[09:00] <Vi_Vi> i guess its all clear
[09:01] <DaskreeCH> ok
[09:01] <DaskreeCH> cd into flash
[09:01] <Vi_Vi> the flash folder itself?
[09:01] <DaskreeCH> tha you had made earlier
[09:02] <Vi_Vi> kk
[09:02] <Vi_Vi> done
[09:02] <DaskreeCH> sudo sh flashplayer<tab>
[09:02] <Vi_Vi> ahh it worked
[09:02] <Vi_Vi> the tab =P
[09:03] <DaskreeCH> Yeah
[09:03] <Vi_Vi> sudo sh flashplayer-installer
[09:03] <Vi_Vi> and the response is
[09:03] <Vi_Vi> ERROR: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the
[09:03] <Vi_Vi>        Adobe Flash Player installer.
[09:03] <Vi_Vi> soo //wrists?
[09:03] <FloodBotK1> Vi_Vi: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:03] <DaskreeCH> Hmm and it specificall says that it is :)
[09:03] <DaskreeCH>  is there a .so file there?
[09:03] <Vi_Vi> yessirt
[09:04] <Vi_Vi> libflashplayer.so
[09:04] <DaskreeCH> ok type ls ~/.mozilla
[09:04] <Vi_Vi> kk
[09:04] <Vi_Vi> extensions        firefox <-- in purple
[09:05] <apparle> hi
[09:05] <DaskreeCH> ok
[09:06] <Vi_Vi> I guess its ok =P
[09:06] <DaskreeCH> mkdir ~/.mozilla/plugins
[09:06] <apparle> can I triple boot XP,Vista,kubuntu
[09:06] <Anish123> Yup
[09:06] <Vi_Vi> Probably
[09:06] <DaskreeCH> apparle: yes
[09:06] <Vi_Vi> lol
[09:06] <Anish123> But it'll be SLOWWWW
[09:06] <Vi_Vi> Okay so i pasted in mkdir ~/.mozilla/plugins]
[09:06] <Vi_Vi> minus the end there
[09:06] <Anish123> Vista's a horriblee OS
[09:07] <Vi_Vi> yes it is...
[09:07] <Vi_Vi> even if sp2 up
[09:07] <DaskreeCH> Vi_Vi: then cp lib<tab> ~/.mozilla/plugins
[09:07] <apparle> I agree that vista is horrible but my bro uses it
[09:07] <DaskreeCH> apparle: But yes you can
[09:07] <Vi_Vi> mmkay
[09:07] <apparle> bye bye
[09:07] <Ulric> i got vista aswell. Sucks
[09:07] <Vi_Vi> nothing seems different but i did it
[09:07] <Vi_Vi> yeah i trashed vista ult 64
[09:07] <Vi_Vi> it was highly unstable
[09:07] <DaskreeCH> ok open firefox and see what it says
[09:08] <Vi_Vi> just randomly happened. then again it was pirated
[09:08] <Vi_Vi> Kk
[09:08] <Ulric> tell me about it
[09:08] <Vi_Vi> just open it or
[09:08] <Vi_Vi> go check something out..?
[09:08] <DaskreeCH> go check something out
[09:08] <Vi_Vi> k
[09:09] <Vi_Vi> Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player so go elf yourself
[09:09] <Vi_Vi> What a rude browser D_D
[09:10] <Vi_Vi> lame joke. anyway thats what it said
[09:10] <Vi_Vi> minus elf bit
[09:12] <Vi_Vi> still with me boss? =P
[09:13] <Vi_Vi> Its finally happened O_o He caught the Newb Madness and died
[09:14] <DaskreeCH> sudo chmod 755 ~/.mozilla/plugins/lib<tab>
[09:15] <Vi_Vi> its done. no change far as i can see
[09:16] <DaskreeCH> You'd have to close firefox and reopen
[09:17] <Vi_Vi> kk
[09:18] <Vi_Vi> Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player.
[09:18] <Vi_Vi> (youtube)
[09:18] <Vi_Vi> What was that cmd supposed to do
[09:19] <shadeslayer> hey i was wondering what is the command to copy a dvd to a iso...it was dd something
[09:19] <Vi_Vi> GUI ftw ^^
[09:19] <Vi_Vi> BUT WE'RE NOT WINDOWS NEWBERZ!
[09:20] <whattheazn> why is kunbunut
[09:20] <Vi_Vi> Evil? who knows
[09:20] <shadeslayer> Vi_Vi: much easier for me to type a single command...
[09:20] <dwidmann_> shadeslayer: dd if=/dev/dvd of=~/dvd.iso bs=2048
[09:21] <shadeslayer> whats bs for??
[09:21] <Vi_Vi> well probably
[09:21] <Vi_Vi> cuz you got your business down
[09:21] <dwidmann_> shadeslayer: blocksize
[09:21] <whattheazn> is there a diff between ubuntu and kunbtu
[09:21] <Vi_Vi> Dask is having the time of his life trying to help me get flash player going
[09:21] <Vi_Vi> on a system that is apparently both 86 and 64 XD
[09:21] <shadeslayer> dwidmann_: is there a option to display progress
[09:21] <dwidmann_> whattheazn: different Desktop Environment,
[09:21] <whattheazn> is kunbuntu easie to use
[09:21] <shadeslayer> whattheazn: yep
[09:22] <dwidmann_> shadeslayer: Umm, there's a way to check it manually, but nothing continuous
[09:22] <shadeslayer> dwidmann_: ok
[09:22] <whattheazn> does it have aircrack and etc
[09:22] <whattheazn> spoonwep2 and spoonwpa
[09:22] <dwidmann_> whattheazn: it uses the same repositories as Ubuntu, so anything (yes, anything) you can have in Ubuntu you can have in Kubuntu also.
[09:23] <whattheazn> cool i will tr it
[09:23] <whattheazn> what about nunbuntu
[09:23] <whattheazn> have u try that
[09:23] <Mamarok> whattheazn: please stay on topic
[09:23] <dwidmann_> Hmm, haven't heard about that
[09:24] <whattheazn> oh sorry
[09:24] <Vi_Vi> be nice
[09:24] <Vi_Vi> Dask caught Newb Madness :(
[09:24] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: topic
[09:24] <shadeslayer> whattheazn: ubuntu?? its basically kubuntu with GNOME instead of KDE
[09:25] <Vi_Vi> huh?
[09:25] <whattheazn> what gnome
[09:25] <fiendskull9> what are the latest alternatives to kde (besides gnome) since xfce appears to be dead since i left off.
[09:25] <Captain_Haddock> whattheazn: google away
[09:25] <Mamarok> fiendskull9: xfce is not dead
[09:25] <fiendskull9> fiendskull9: judging by their website and svn not much is going on...
[09:25] <Mamarok> !gnome | whattheazn
[09:26] <Mamarok> fiendskull9: you are talking to yourself :)
[09:26] <whattheazn> oh
[09:26] <fiendskull9> Mamarok: what?
[09:26] <avihay> I think xfce is rather nice for it's "market share"
[09:26] <Vi_Vi> Small crowd im guessing
[09:26] <avihay> good morning-afternoon btw
[09:27] <fiendskull9> I enjoyed it much as a lightweight GTK'ish enviroment.
[09:27] <Mamarok> please, all, stay on topic, support only here, discussion is in #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:27] <Vi_Vi> Likewise
[09:27] <Vi_Vi> Well.. whats the topic?
[09:27] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: support questions and answers
[09:27] <fiendskull9> Does asking for a good lightweight alternative desktop enviroment to KDE count as support?
[09:27] <Mamarok> discussion is *not* on topic here at all
[09:27] <Vi_Vi> oh well, i'm on the ball then arent i.
[09:27] <Vi_Vi> I'll just hush then :P
[09:28] <Mamarok> fiendskull9: you know the answer already, discussing the pros and cons is not support
[09:28] <fiendskull9> Mamarok: No I honestly do not know an answer. I stopped using linux about 3 years ago to embark on a tour. I'm very out of the loop.
[09:29] <Vi_Vi> How stern D_D
[09:29] <Mamarok> fiendskull9: xfce is a lightweight alternative, try xubuntu
[09:29] <fiendskull9> And KDE4 is freezing left and right.
[09:29] <Mamarok> fiendskull9: depends on the KDE4 version you have
[09:29] <fiendskull9> Could i apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop and apt-get install xubuntu-desktop safely?
[09:29] <shadeslayer> fiendskull9: why not?
[09:30] <Mamarok> fiendskull9: yep, should work, but the other way round, first install xubuntu, then remove kubuntu :)
[09:30] <shadeslayer> fiendskull9: just issue remove kubuntu-desktop from a tty
[09:30] <Vi_Vi> Hey Mamarok is it oppsible to have a system thats somewhere between x86 and 64?
[09:30] <Vi_Vi> because apparently mine is like.. both
[09:31] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: if you have a 64 bit system you can run 32 bit applications on it, the other way round doesn't work
[09:31] <Vi_Vi> I hgave a 64-bit setup yes.. but
[09:31] <Vi_Vi> When we tried to get 32-bit flash going
[09:31] <fiendskull9> Mamarok: As you said, it depends on my KDE4 version. How can I check my version, and what version is most stable as of right now?
[09:31] <Vi_Vi> It said Architecture x86_64 is not supported.
[09:31] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: flash is available for 64 bit too
[09:32] <Mamarok> fiendskull9: what Kubuntu have you installed?
[09:32] <Vi_Vi> Ill let you handle fiend cuz maybe your thoughts can help us
[09:32] <Vi_Vi> but ill wait
[09:32] <fiendskull9> Mamarok: 9.04
[09:32] <dwidmann_> Vi_Vi: install the flashplayer-nonfree pakcage from the ubuntu repositories instead of the package from adobe's website.
[09:32] <dwidmann_> erm, flashplugin-nonfree
[09:32] <Mamarok> fiendskull9: you can open the help menu in any application and check the 'About KDE' option
[09:32] <Vi_Vi> Yeah I used that before but it only allowed some flash stuff to work
[09:33] <Vi_Vi> For some reason audio on videos and streaming audio is no go
[09:33] <Vi_Vi> Chatango is a flash-chat (no go)
[09:33] <Vi_Vi> And omgpop's games do not connect
[09:33] <fiendskull9> Mamarok: KDE 4.2.2 it looks like
[09:33] <Vi_Vi> Been at this about 90 minutes
[09:33] <dwidmann_> Vi_Vi: in that case, if you think the one from Adobe's site will work better for whatever reason, use dpkg -i something.deb --force-architecture
[09:33] <Mamarok> fiendskull9: you should udate your system then, 4.2.4 is available since quite some time
[09:33] <Vi_Vi> No worries dwid, we went aaaaall through that
[09:34] <Vi_Vi> The .deb and tarball arent supproted
[09:34] <Vi_Vi> by w/e an x*6_64 achitecture is
[09:34] <Vi_Vi> x86
[09:34] <Mamarok> fiendskull9: but of course if you have less than 500MB ram, you should consider something else than KDE or Gnome
[09:34] <Vi_Vi> So we tried a 64-bit one
[09:34] <Vi_Vi> that SEEMED TO work
[09:34] <phh> Mamarok: with compcache, 512MB is comfortable
[09:34] <Vi_Vi> all it did was make the youtube vids a gray box.
[09:34] <fiendskull9> Mamarok: No worries on ram :) Is there a repo i should enable? KPackageIt is showing no updates.
[09:34] <Mamarok> phh: not if you want to run 3D effects, no
[09:35] <Mamarok> fiendskull9: see the topic :)
[09:35] <phh> Mamarok: oh well
[09:35] <fiendskull9> Mamarok: thanks!
[09:35] <Mamarok> or check on http://kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2.4
[09:35] <Mamarok> (which is basically the same)
[09:36] <fiendskull9> Mamarok: Yeah thats the link in the topic
[09:36] <Mamarok> fiendskull9: and if you are comfortable with release candidates, there is 4.3 RC2
[09:36] <Mamarok> and KDE 4.3 is due in a few days, too
[09:37]  * shadeslayer is waiting for k3b to hit KDE4
[09:37] <fiendskull9> Mamarok: Ooo :)
[09:37] <fiendskull9> shadeslayer: I've been using K3B fine :O
[09:37] <Vi_Vi> umm mamarok
[09:37] <shadeslayer> fiendskull9: k3b in the repo is KDE 3 based
[09:38] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: ditto, works well here
[09:38] <fiendskull9> shadeslayer: I don't recall it installing any old kde3 libs or anything. Is there a compatibility layer or something?
[09:38] <fiendskull9> it just installed like 2mb of packages.
[09:39] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i want a k3b which uses kde4 libs and qt4
[09:39] <fiendskull9> shadeslayer: Oh you purist :P
[09:39] <Mamarok> fiendskull9: it drags the dependencies automatically, ou might not have been aware it did
[09:39] <fiendskull9> Mamarok: Ah, I see.
[09:39] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: well then be patient or compile trunk ;) <- see the wink
[09:40] <shadeslayer> \o/
[09:40] <Vi_Vi> Man -_- Of course my OS would happen to be the black sheep x_X
[09:40] <Vi_Vi> 32-bit Flash players are no good and the 64-bit attempt didn't prove effective. Whats left to try?
[09:40] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: what version do you use?
[09:41] <fiendskull9> Vi_Vi: Install 686
[09:41] <Vi_Vi> What was the command to double-check my OS architecture?
[09:41] <fiendskull9> Vi_Vi: uname -a
[09:41] <Vi_Vi> whats -r do?
[09:42] <fiendskull9> prints the kernel release
[09:42] <Mamarok> tells you the kernel release number
[09:42] <Vi_Vi> ahh
[09:42] <Vi_Vi> well this is the return i get
[09:42] <Vi_Vi> 2.6.28-11-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 17 01:58:03 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[09:42] <fiendskull9> uname -m is actually more appropriate
[09:42] <Vi_Vi> x86_64
[09:42] <Vi_Vi> How is it both 32 and 64 isnt it 1 or the other
[09:42] <Mamarok> only for the hardware then
[09:43] <Vi_Vi> Well yeah my brother says this OS is a 32-bit Kubuntu
[09:43] <Vi_Vi> But i also know my hardware is meant to support 64-bit
[09:43] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: I see no mention of i386
[09:43] <Vi_Vi> btw Mamarok I'm also pretty clsoe to being a linux newbie
[09:43] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: well, your kernel is a 64-bit version
[09:43] <Mamarok> read the line above
[09:43] <Vi_Vi> The bit about my kernel?
[09:44] <Mamarok> the 32-bit kernel would tell you i386 GNU/Linux
[09:44] <Vi_Vi> And it does not. ookay..
[09:44] <avihay> 2.6.28-13-generic #45-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jun 30 19:49:51 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[09:44] <Mamarok> you have a 64-bit kernel, which would not work on a 32-bit system
[09:44] <Vi_Vi> Right sooo..
[09:44] <Vi_Vi> kernel is the hardware yes?
[09:44] <phh> no.
[09:44] <Vi_Vi> ach.
[09:44] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: no, kernel is the basic Linux
[09:45] <Vi_Vi> ookay
[09:45] <Vi_Vi> So this Linux Kubuntu of mine is not 32-bit like my bother claimed
[09:45] <Vi_Vi> but 64
[09:45] <Mamarok> exactly
[09:45] <Vi_Vi> Well this explains a lot. misinformation blows.
[09:45] <Vi_Vi> SO where is the stable release of this 64-bit adobe flash player?
[09:45] <Vi_Vi> Ive sniffed around the site of adobe
[09:45] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: to know your hardware information, try uname -m
[09:46] <Vi_Vi> Yeah i wasnt sure what x86_64 meant
[09:46] <Vi_Vi> i just assumed it say x86 or x64
[09:46] <Vi_Vi> it would say*
[09:46] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: don't know if it's stable yet, but it's available
[09:46] <Mamarok> !flash
[09:47] <Vi_Vi> http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html
[09:47] <Vi_Vi> That would be the one yes?
[09:47] <Vi_Vi> at the bottom
[09:48] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: well, you simply shoudl install the flashplugin-nonfree package from the repositories
[09:48] <Mamarok> should*
[09:48] <Vi_Vi> Thats what i had done before but that only allowed some flash things to happen and youtube videos to play
[09:48] <Vi_Vi> Flash chat from chatango.com was no good, playing games on omgpop was no good
[09:48] <Vi_Vi> And no audio in videos worked
[09:49] <Vi_Vi> or on the browser as a whole really but im not sure if thats relevant
[09:49] <Vi_Vi> i have sound anywhere else just not my browsers
[09:49] <Mamarok> that might be a browser related problem, doesn't work in my firefox neither, works fine in konqueror
[09:49] <Vi_Vi> Didnt even work in Konqueror sir
[09:50] <Vi_Vi> okay well..
[09:50] <Vi_Vi> ill search the repository
[09:50] <Vi_Vi> btw
[09:50] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: an alternative could be the opera browser
[09:50] <Vi_Vi> if im a 64-bit fellow
[09:51] <Vi_Vi> how come there's 4 amd64 updates blocked on my updater?
[09:51] <Mamarok> a blocked update means that there are dependencies not resolved yet
[09:51] <Vi_Vi> W/e that means =P But ok
[09:51] <Mamarok> try running sudo apt-get dist-upgrade in a konsole
[09:51] <Vi_Vi> if dask was still alive he could explain whats wrong and what we had already done so much better than me
[09:52] <Vi_Vi> so just search flashplugin-nonfree and get the package?
[09:53] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: or do sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree in a konsole
[09:54] <Vi_Vi> i probably shoulda had my browsers closed while i installed this
[09:54] <Vi_Vi> do it matter?
[09:54] <Mamarok> yes, close the browser :)
[09:54] <Vi_Vi> ah crud
[09:55] <Vi_Vi> i already installed with both Kong and Fox open
[09:55] <Mamarok> you will have to restart it anyway :)
[09:55] <Mamarok> no problem, just restart the browser
[09:55] <Vi_Vi> mmkay..
[09:55] <Vi_Vi> it didnt prompt me to close either 1 or anything.. so i just installed.
[09:55] <Vi_Vi> anyway lets see what that did on firefox
[09:55] <Vi_Vi> and kong
[09:56] <Vi_Vi> ookay...
[09:56] <Vi_Vi> well youtube is displaying
[09:56] <Vi_Vi> Chatango and Omgpop are bit wonky..
[09:56] <Vi_Vi> The available player
[09:56] <Vi_Vi> is it flash9?
[09:56] <FloodBotK1> Vi_Vi: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:58] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: Vi_Vi nope, it's 10
[09:58] <Mamarok> sorry, typo :(
[09:58] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: aptitude show flashplugin-nonfree tells you the version
[10:00] <Vi_Vi> aptitude show..?
[10:00] <Vi_Vi> Konsole command?
[10:01] <Vi_Vi> This package is a transitional package that can safely be removed after you
[10:01] <Vi_Vi>  installed flashplugin-installer.
[10:01] <Vi_Vi> that improtant at all?
[10:02] <Vi_Vi> well you're right its clearly flash 10...
[10:02] <Vi_Vi> So why is it only youtube video shows
[10:02] <Vi_Vi> but other flash content doesnt work completely
[10:05] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: well, not all flash is programmed correctly :)
[10:05] <Vi_Vi> tell ya what
[10:05] <Vi_Vi> Can you do me a favor?
[10:05] <Mamarok> go on
[10:05] <Vi_Vi> basically flash movies seem to display.. but anything that lets me interact with others doesnt
[10:05] <Vi_Vi> SO
[10:06] <Vi_Vi> could you go to www.omgpop.com and just hit the "Games" tab
[10:06] <Vi_Vi> Pick any game you want and hit the big Play Now button
[10:06] <Vi_Vi> the site'll handle the rest
[10:07] <Vi_Vi> Everything else about the site works fine for except actually joining the games. which didnt used to happen/
[10:07] <Vi_Vi> And the flash-baed chat i sometimes use doesnt correctly display but it does in fact work
[10:08] <Mamarok> works here, but the network is extremly slow
[10:08] <Vi_Vi> Assuming flash was installed. I have flash apparently, but for some reason no go.
[10:08] <Mamarok> the games network I mean, not mine :)
[10:08] <Vi_Vi> well when u hit play now does it throw u into someoe's match?
[10:09] <Vi_Vi> or does it hang at connecting to game network
[10:09] <digmore> I think it is not working simply
[10:09] <Mamarok> it hangs at connection, but that's not a flash problem, it's more like their network is down
[10:10] <Vi_Vi> Double-checking
[10:10] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: it clearly states their network can't connect you, not a flash problem
[10:10] <Vi_Vi> Well, friend says she can in fact join games
[10:10] <Vi_Vi> But if it was purely a network issue why is it that chatango's flash chat is also not working.
[10:11] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: why do you use a flash chat application if you have much better installed?
[10:11] <Vi_Vi> I debated if it was even a flash issue but if it works for someone else and not us
[10:11] <digmore> I actually install firefox(windows)
[10:11] <Vi_Vi> Maybe Linux just hates flash-based people interaction? :P
[10:12] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: nope, it's more likely their network still being beta it has serious flaws :)
[10:12] <digmore> then flash works fine, but it may be slow
[10:12] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: that's not about hate, just that flash is a pain and full of bugs, if everybody would learn to code correctly it would not be an issue
[10:12] <Vi_Vi> I worded it silly
[10:13] <Vi_Vi> But what i mean is it just seems like any flash business that itneracts with other people
[10:13] <Vi_Vi> Seems dysfunctional
[10:13] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: seriously, you don't need a flash chat application if you have software installed for it
[10:13] <Vi_Vi> Do you mean my chat messenger?
[10:13] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: then blame Adobe, flash is closed source, we can do absolutely nothing about
[10:14] <Vi_Vi> Don't freak out on me =P
[10:14] <Vi_Vi> I check the flash chat to see if its working properly
[10:14] <Vi_Vi> I guess its jsut because of my OS then..
[10:14] <shadeslayer> btw,does anyone have a bit of a lag with Xserver and KDM recently??
[10:14] <Vi_Vi> I can believe that there's conflict.
[10:14] <shadeslayer> KDE 4.3 rc2
[10:15] <Vi_Vi> ah man.
[10:15] <Vi_Vi> 3 hours of wrestling and back to square 1 lol.
[10:15] <Vi_Vi> But you're right it is closed source so compatibility is probably the main issue here.
[10:15] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: I had two X crashes during chromium updates, so I blame chromium, not RC2
[10:15] <Vi_Vi> Well regardless of the end result thanks for the help Mamarok
[10:16] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: as I said, blame Adobe, not your OS
[10:16] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: yaw :)
[10:16] <Vi_Vi> Well you know what i mean
[10:16] <Vi_Vi> I know u love Linux i just meant it seems the relationship between my OS and Adobe isnt solid.
[10:16] <Vi_Vi> Well since that's a lost cause..  any idea why i have sound but not on my browsers?
[10:17] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i dont have chromium,but what im asking is with the 2.6.28-14 kernel and xserver 1.6 , KDM and xserver start very slowly...like theres a gap of 2 secs
[10:17] <Vi_Vi> Seems weird that both wouldnt work
[10:19] <Vi_Vi> OH!
[10:19] <Vi_Vi> mamarok before i forget
[10:19] <Vi_Vi> There's 1 more wee thing :D
[10:21] <shadeslayer> Vi_Vi: just ask :)
[10:22] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: no gap for me
[10:22] <shadeslayer> hmm...ill have a looksie at the logs
[10:23] <Vi_Vi> Actually yeah anyone can answer this
[10:23] <Vi_Vi> oh wait..
[10:23] <Vi_Vi> gonna need the 64-bit version. hold on
[10:23] <Mamarok> we are waiting, indeed :)
[10:23] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: http://pastebin.com/f5c7cac78
[10:24] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: why are you using gdm?
[10:25] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: im not
[10:25] <Vi_Vi> Right! so
[10:25] <Vi_Vi> I want to install winrar here
[10:25] <Vi_Vi> and  got the x64 linux version
[10:25] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: well, then you should remove it and it's configuration files
[10:25] <shadeslayer> Vi_Vi: you dont need it..
[10:25] <Vi_Vi> whaddya mean
[10:25] <Mamarok> as it tries to write to the gdm log, read your paste
[10:25] <Vi_Vi> i have a file in rar format that ARK cant open
[10:26] <shadeslayer> Vi_Vi: kde has ark
[10:26] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: what dou you want to do with winrar?
[10:26] <Vi_Vi> Extract the contents of a rar file containing a band's discography
[10:26] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: uh i dont have gdm installed...
[10:26] <Mamarok> then the rar file is broken, ark can open that without problems, normally
[10:26] <Vi_Vi> ARK isnt up to that task
[10:26] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: as I said, read your paste, it tries to start gdm, it's not correctly removed I guess
[10:27] <Vi_Vi> i will test with another rar file
[10:27] <Vi_Vi> should have 1 somewhere..
[10:27] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: what if i tell you that i didnt even install gdm once?
[10:27] <dwidmann_> Vi_Vi: try using rar directly in konsole, if that doesn't work then the file is probably corrupt or incomplete
[10:27] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: else you can try with mc (midnight commander, you will have to install it)
[10:27] <Vi_Vi> yeah hold on, i have something else in rar on CD
[10:27] <Vi_Vi> gonna yank that a sec
[10:28] <Vi_Vi> midnight commander? sounds like a racist joke XD
[10:28] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: well, you must have at some point, I never did and have no mention of gdm in my log file
[10:28] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: ...
[10:28] <Vi_Vi> Sorry im in a dark space was tryin to
[10:28] <Vi_Vi> nvm lol. strike it from the record
[10:28] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: I don't make jokes in a support channel, unless I mark it as such
[10:28] <Vi_Vi> o.o" Right-o
[10:29] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: hmm...afaik ive never tried to install gnome or gdm...anyways how do i remove the config files?
[10:29] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: autoremove?
[10:29] <shadeslayer> nothing
[10:29] <Vi_Vi> umm
[10:29] <Vi_Vi> Im not sure how I did it beofre but
[10:30] <Vi_Vi> How do i arrive at the contents of the CD i put in?
[10:30] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: then it's in the xorg config file I guess
[10:30] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i just ran a dpkg --reconfigure...
[10:30] <Vi_Vi> nvm got it
[10:30] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: open it, you should have a pop up for the CD
[10:30] <Vi_Vi> yeah i didnt get a pop up but
[10:31] <Vi_Vi> i managed by going into the cd burner function
[10:31] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: http://pastebin.com/f5a002159
[10:31] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: you should, it's in the panel, device notifier
[10:31] <Vi_Vi> the thing that normally says "nod evices plugged in"?
[10:32] <Mamarok> new devices plugged in, yes
[10:32] <Vi_Vi> yes.. well
[10:32] <Vi_Vi> It says no devices plugged in
[10:32] <Vi_Vi> as usual
[10:32] <shadeslayer> brb in 10 mins...pizza breakfast :
[10:33] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: what KDE version do you have?
[10:33] <Vi_Vi> the what?
[10:33] <Vi_Vi> well its strange. on my CD everyyr ar became a zip
[10:33] <Vi_Vi> but the archive in question is a rar
[10:33] <Vi_Vi> and ARK cant handle it
[10:33] <Vi_Vi> every rar*
[10:34] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: it still is a rar, just the icon is a package icon
[10:34] <said> The application Plasma Workspace (plasma) crashed and caused the signal 11 (SIGSEGV).
[10:34] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: that's why I asked, what KDE version do you have?
[10:34] <said> Please help us improve the software you use by filing a report at http://bugs.kde.org. Useful details include how to reproduce the error, documents that were loaded, etc.
[10:34] <Vi_Vi> you'd have to explain what the KDE is
[10:34] <Vi_Vi> and how i would check its version
[10:34] <Mamarok> said: please, do not flood the channel with such messages, ask a question instead
[10:34] <said> what dose it mean that message
[10:34] <Vi_Vi> oh
[10:35] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: KDE is the desktop if you have Kubuntu isntalled
[10:35] <Vi_Vi> yes I have Kubuntu 9.04
[10:35] <Mamarok> said: it asks you to report the crash you just had
[10:36] <said> how i can do that
[10:36] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: in Dolphin, please check in the Help menu, the about KDE option, it tells you the version
[10:36] <Vi_Vi> Kk
[10:36] <Mamarok> said: just follow the instructions of the window that just came up
[10:36] <Vi_Vi> 4.2.2
[10:37] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: you should update your version then, see the topic, there are bugfixes available
[10:37] <Vi_Vi> !topic
[10:38] <Vi_Vi> errr
[10:38] <Vi_Vi> So.. i have to make a dvd with the 4.2.4 on it to make this upgrade?
[10:38] <Vi_Vi> Or is there any easier way
[10:38] <Mamarok> no, not at all...
[10:38] <Mamarok> did you read the section about 4.2.4 correctly?
[10:39] <Vi_Vi> is it the shipit link?
[10:39] <Vi_Vi> i was assuming sicne its next to the 4.2.4 tidbit that was the place
[10:39] <Mamarok> no, read again
[10:39] <Vi_Vi> oh there it is
[10:39] <Vi_Vi> how cluttered =P
[10:39] <Mamarok> there is a | sign delimiting the items i n the topic...
[10:39] <Vi_Vi> be nice its 5:40 AM
[10:39] <Vi_Vi> been at this for 4 hours with a flu :P
[10:40] <Vi_Vi> okay
[10:40] <Vi_Vi> im at the page
[10:40] <Vi_Vi> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main
[10:40] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: well, then read, no need to tell us every step
[10:40] <Vi_Vi> where does that get entered?
[10:41] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: in the sources list
[10:41] <Vi_Vi> Trust me im really anal about my process. 2nd day on Linux
[10:41] <Vi_Vi> Reeaaally wanna make sure im creeping every inch correctly
[10:41] <Vi_Vi> We'll compromise :D
[10:41] <Mamarok> but it should be in the backports repository by now, let me check
[10:41] <Vi_Vi> mmkay
[10:41] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: go to the system settings, add/remove new software
[10:42] <Vi_Vi> yup
[10:42] <Mamarok> go to the settings
[10:42] <Vi_Vi> yarp
[10:42] <Mamarok> then 'Edit software sources?
[10:42] <Vi_Vi> im in
[10:43] <Mamarok> there you should have an entry for the backports repositor
[10:43] <Mamarok> y
[10:43] <Vi_Vi> uhh this is in software sources?
[10:43] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: please read what I said
[10:44] <Vi_Vi> Indeed I did
[10:44] <Vi_Vi> I was with you as far as getting into Editing the sources
[10:44] <Vi_Vi> but i dont see anything about a backports repository..
[10:44] <Vi_Vi> triple-checking
[10:44] <Vi_Vi> What tab is this under
[10:44] <Mamarok> in the tab about ubuntu software
[10:45] <Vi_Vi> Kubuntu Software... nothing about backports.
[10:45] <Vi_Vi> Canonical0support open source, community-maintained open source
[10:45] <Vi_Vi> proprietary drivers
[10:45] <Vi_Vi> software restricted...
[10:45] <Mamarok> oops, my bad, Updates tab
[10:45] <Vi_Vi> and Source Code
[10:45] <bazhang> Vi_Vi, what about paste.ubuntu.com with your sources.list
[10:45] <Vi_Vi> (cocks eyebrow)
[10:46] <Vi_Vi> Kubuntu updates....
[10:46] <Mamarok> bazhang: ...
[10:46] <bazhang> Mamarok, yes?
[10:46] <Mamarok> it's only his second day, don't expect too much
[10:46] <Vi_Vi> been doing alright tho :D
[10:46] <Vi_Vi> Right well
[10:46] <Vi_Vi> There is nothing about backports in the Kubuntu Updates tab
[10:46] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: the tab is named 'Updates
[10:47] <Vi_Vi> yessir
[10:47] <bazhang> ma'am
[10:47] <Vi_Vi> Sir is just my speech
[10:47] <Mamarok> it says unsupported updates (jaunty-backports)
[10:47] <Vi_Vi> not genderal =P
[10:47] <Vi_Vi> oh well it says Unsupproted Updates
[10:47] <bazhang> :)
[10:47] <Vi_Vi> Dunno where yer gettin the jaunty bit from
[10:47] <Vi_Vi> Okay well i checked it on
[10:48] <Mamarok> ok, then close it and it should update your sources list
[10:48] <Vi_Vi> ookay
[10:48] <Vi_Vi> it asked me to reload so i did and
[10:48] <Vi_Vi> it updated something
[10:49] <Mamarok> it's updating the sources, then you go to the updates section, and tell him to update everything there
[10:49] <Vi_Vi> k
[10:50] <Vi_Vi> In the Updates tab check everything on?
[10:51] <Mamarok> there should be a button to check all updates, no?
[10:51] <Vi_Vi> No if i want to enable all 4
[10:51] <Vi_Vi> ig otta do it manually
[10:51] <Vi_Vi> improtant - reocmmended - pre-released - unsupproted
[10:51] <Mamarok> do a refresh first then
[10:53] <Vi_Vi> (wind blows)
[10:53] <Vi_Vi> I checked off all 4 update bits
[10:53] <Vi_Vi> did a reload when asked
[10:53] <Vi_Vi> And i guess it installed an updated list
[10:53] <Vi_Vi> that good?
[10:53] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: any other ideas?
[10:53] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: about what?
[10:54] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: that GDM thing...
[10:54] <Mamarok> not really no, except reinstalling the x server from a shell
[10:54] <shadeslayer> gah..
[10:55] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: what if i reinstall kdm?
[10:55] <Mamarok> well, that's the only explanaition I have for that gap, somehow you must have installed gdm at some point on that machine, why else would it be there
[10:55] <shadeslayer> no idea..but i positively know i didnt install it
[10:55] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: I doubt it's the problem, your xorg is looking for a gdm log file, that's the gap
[10:56] <shadeslayer> hmm
[10:56] <Vi_Vi> Not to interrupt but i figured our itnerfaces were a bit different
[10:57] <Vi_Vi> but u wanted me to enable all 4 update checkboxes
[10:57] <Vi_Vi> So i did and im now being told i have 15 available updates
[10:57] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: you only have 4 updates after a refresh?
[10:57] <Vi_Vi> Nono i have 15. i dont have a "check all" or whatever
[10:57] <Vi_Vi> but manually clicking all 4 boxes is the same
[10:57] <Vi_Vi> so i did the reload and the update manager thing
[10:57] <Vi_Vi> is saying i have 15 available, 6 blocked
[10:58] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: on the bottom, you have a button 'Apply all updates', no need to choose those manually
[10:58] <Vi_Vi> oooooooooooh
[10:58] <Vi_Vi> u meant apply all updates
[10:58] <Mamarok> first the refresh button, then that one
[10:58] <Vi_Vi> theres no button for that btw =P
[10:58] <Vi_Vi> wait
[10:58] <Vi_Vi> nvm.
[10:58] <Vi_Vi> i thought u were referring to the
[10:59] <Vi_Vi> yeaah we were talking about 2 diff things but im with ya now
[10:59] <Vi_Vi> however, in the sources thing
[10:59] <Vi_Vi> I did enable all 4 checkboxes
[10:59] <Vi_Vi> Is this ok?
[10:59] <Vi_Vi> from important to unsupported
[10:59] <Mamarok> you should have about 100 for an upgrade to 4.2.4 normally...
[11:00] <Vi_Vi> oh.. relleh
[11:00] <Vi_Vi> I mean ive enabled everything
[11:00] <Vi_Vi> improtant, recommended, pre-release, unsupported
[11:00] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: let me check that first
[11:00] <Vi_Vi> total 15, 6 blocked
[11:03] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: never mind, it doesn't seem to be in the backports then, my bad
[11:04] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: if i install GDM and remove it will the problem be solved?
[11:04] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: don't do that, that would be probably worse
[11:04] <shadeslayer> ok
[11:05] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: it's a RC, that could well have some glitches, you are complaining about 2 seconds there
[11:05] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: hmm...true,i am on the lookout for bugs
[11:08] <Vi_Vi> neee...
[11:08] <Vi_Vi> I think ima call it quits for now
[11:08] <Vi_Vi> 4 hours in the AM is too damn much to learn Linux XD
[11:08] <Vi_Vi> Thanks mama-san
[11:08] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: indeed, have a good night of sleep :)
[11:08] <Vi_Vi> oh man.. my eyes.
[11:08] <Vi_Vi> Oh wait
[11:09] <Mamarok> you are welcome, Vi_Vi :)
[11:09] <Vi_Vi> Ahh one more thing dear fellow =D
[11:09] <Vi_Vi> you said there sohuld be a massive amount of updates
[11:09] <Vi_Vi> well that was true when i first installed. did some200+
[11:09] <Vi_Vi> but, with every update source checked off
[11:09] <Vi_Vi> 15 is all i got
[11:09] <Vi_Vi> Is this cause for concern?
[11:09] <shadeslayer> Vi_Vi: that would be security updates...all new installs have those
[11:09] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: well, there is not, as the 4.2.4 packages are not in the backports, my bad, as I said before
[11:10] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: and no, this is not cause for concern, those packages are the new Amarok and a few others
[11:10] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: he talks about the new update from the backports
[11:10] <Vi_Vi> yeah they are
[11:10] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: oh
[11:11] <Mamarok> Vi_Vi: the amarok package is highly recommended, as the one you have now is totally outdated
[11:12] <Vi_Vi> Ill take all 15 then
[11:12] <Vi_Vi> i guess we'll figure out the 4.2.4 thing another time
[11:12] <Vi_Vi> Break time now :D good night gents
[11:12] <Vi_Vi> and.. lady?
[11:12] <Vi_Vi> Someone here is. anyway, auf widerlesen!
[11:12] <Vi_Vi> wieder
[11:13] <shadeslayer> ive got a flight to catch,so i need to do some packing...bye for now
[11:13] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: have a nice trip then :)
[11:14] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: thanks,ill have the usual jet lag,nothing serious though
[11:14] <Mamarok> long flight?
[11:14] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: UK to india
[11:15] <Mamarok> wow, yeah, that will be a jetlag indeed
[11:15] <Mamarok> have a nice flight then :)
[11:15] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: thanks...bye :)
[11:49] <djdarkman> hello, I'm using KDE 4.3 on jaunty, how can I make GTK apps look good in it?
[11:49] <Peace-> djdarkman: ytou have to install some packages
[11:50] <djdarkman> ok what packages Peace-?
[11:50] <Peace-> kde-slyle-qtcurve
[11:51] <Peace-> gtk2-engines-qtcurve
[11:52] <Peace-> djdarkman: then you have to set the stuff on systemsettings
[11:52] <Peace-> btw i am using only qt stuff...
[11:58] <wizkoder_> hy everybody
[11:59] <wizkoder_> which package contains "unless"?
[11:59] <wizkoder_> how can I find out?
[12:00] <agata> wizkoder_,  try apt-cache search unless
[12:00] <agata> in a terminal
[12:01] <wizkoder_> did that. but the result is not helping :-(
[12:01] <tsimpson> use the search at http://packages.ubuntu.com
[12:03] <scorpid> hi everybody
[12:03] <scorpid> can i ask a question
[12:03] <scorpid> ?
[12:04] <Blizzerand> !ask
[12:04] <scorpid> i format my usb drive as swap
[12:04] <scorpid> and i wnat to use that as ram
[12:04] <scorpid> how can i do that
[12:05] <scorpid> i have 512 mb ram
[12:05] <scorpid> and 1GB swap
[12:05] <scorpid> i want to disable that 1GB swap
[12:05] <scorpid> and want to use my usb as swap
[12:08] <wizkoder_> this idea seems strange to me...
[12:08] <wizkoder_> why don't you get rid of all the swap?
[12:09] <tsimpson> it's a bad idea, USB speed is even slower than HDD
[12:11] <what_if> I think Vista does this. Readyboost. Its doable
[12:12] <tsimpson> it can work, but it'll be especially slow
[12:12] <what_if> you should mount the pendrive by UUID though in fstab to ensure the system can find it (in case the drive assignment changes in /dev/ )
[12:15] <Blizzerand> scorpid : The machine would be damn slow dude . Better not try it
[12:40] <damjan> fdg
[12:42] <faruk> my sound problem is getting boring
[12:42] <faruk> i've a great problem with last version of ubuntu
[12:42] <faruk> can somebody help me?
[12:50] <bernardlychan> hi does anyone know how to get a static ip address is you have wlan>
[12:50] <bernardlychan> ?
[12:53] <what_if> set the interface address to static in /etc/network/interfaces
[13:01] <edb> !kde3
[13:02] <edb> hrm. is http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/install.html the main way people are using kde 3 on jaunty, or is there a repository that's
[13:02] <edb> more generally "approved of"?
[13:05] <JJ__> i need help for reinstall my jaunty 9.04
[13:08] <pavelovich> who is french
[13:09] <edb> french people, mostly
[13:09] <tsimpson> !fr
[13:10] <pavelovich> thanks
[13:10] <pavelovich> yo
[13:11] <Bauldrick> anyone experiance in getting sky player to work? I've install moonlight 2.0 (preview)..
[13:31] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:32] <peabody> I installed the inetutils-ftpd package http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/net/inetutils-ftpd and there's absolutely no instructions as to how it is installed or used, but I found the changelog http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/i/inetutils/inetutils_1.6-1/changelog says that it uses inetutils-inetd script, however I have no such script installed on my system... does anyone use this ftpd or know how the package instal
[13:32] <peabody>  I have to configure it from scratch just for user directories?
[13:36] <tsimpson> peabody: have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/ftp-server.html
[13:40] <peabody> tsimpson: so don't use inetutils-ftpd is what you are saying?
[13:41] <peabody> honestly I don't care since it's not using a bunch of unnecessary libraries
[13:41] <peabody> thanks
[14:08] <JeRRiCo> whats the topic
[14:09] <bazhang> JeRRiCo, type /topic
[14:12] <pesarkhobeee> hi?
[14:12] <JeRRiCo> hey
[14:13] <pesarkhobeee> sorry my english lunguage is not good but i hav a question! how to add extra font in kubuntu
[14:13] <JeRRiCo> no idea
[14:14] <pesarkhobeee> its good
[14:15] <pesarkhobeee> tnx
[14:16] <pesarkhobeee> yes ! i find it!
[14:16] <pesarkhobeee> install Additional Fonts in Kubuntu
[14:16] <pesarkhobeee>     * Collate all your fonts, Download if you want to and have it in one folder for easy access.
[14:16] <pesarkhobeee>     * Once your done. Copy all the fonts in that folder.
[14:16] <pesarkhobeee>     * Browse the folder /etc/fonts in Kubuntu (you must have admin access) and paste all the files.
[14:16] <pesarkhobeee>     * On the left side of Dolphin File Manager, you will see a link to install the fonts. Or simply double-click it. That?s it!
[14:16] <FloodBotK1> pesarkhobeee: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:50] <alex___> test
[14:52] <pesarkhobeee> test is ok!
[14:52] <alex___> jojo, wollt dieses IRC nur mal ausprobieren is wohl sowas wie knuddels. okay, tschau leute, haut rein :-)
[15:01] <_abbenormal> hello all
[15:02] <_abbenormal> got a ? for someone who may know
[15:02] <_abbenormal> im trying to setup xine with vdpau and was wondering if some has already done it and maybe may know an easier way
[15:03] <_abbenormal> im not sure but hearing i have to remocve the old xine first and not sure what all it will break
[15:06] <Mamarok> _abbenormal: I don't even know what vdpau is...
[15:07] <Mamarok> and you are taling about Xine, the video player?
[15:07] <Mamarok> talking*
[15:07] <_abbenormal> yes sir vdpau is used for playback of video content for hd stuff
[15:08] <_abbenormal> its a codec sort of
[15:08] <Mamarok> _abbenormal: why not use vlc?
[15:08] <Mamarok> not sure if xine is still up to date
[15:09] <_abbenormal> well i need xine for vdr to play from a source dvb cards
[15:10] <_abbenormal> ill have to read some and see if vdr will run out vlc think it does just dont know how
[15:11] <Mamarok> !dvb | _abbenormal
[15:11] <Mamarok> this might help then
[15:13] <_abbenormal> yup ive been using or used half of them i normaly use a striped debian basic with less eye candy and no desktop lots of extra stuff not needed for a htpc setup
[15:13] <_abbenormal> this is a test to see how it will work and im not use to the kubuntu way
[16:00] <Ratze> hello all
[16:02] <utimothy> hi to all
[16:03] <ubunturos> !hi | utimothy
[16:04] <utimothy> looking for new icons.........i am a newbee using ubuntu
[16:05] <Mamarok> utimothy: are you using Gnome or KDE?
[16:06] <utimothy> gnome
[16:06] <Mamarok> utimothy: then you should ask in the #ubuntu channel, we are more doing KDE here :)
[16:06] <utimothy> ok thank
[16:07] <Antaranian> Mamarok: can I ask here how to change gnome to kde ?
[16:07] <Antaranian> :)
[16:08] <Mamarok> Antaranian: install the kubuntu-desktop packages, it will install the basic KDE, then add the other kde packages selecting in the package manager according to your needs
[16:09] <Antaranian> you know, I've installed some kde applications
[16:09] <Antaranian> like konversation
[16:09] <Antaranian> and so I've installed kde libs
[16:09] <Antaranian> now I'm looking in synaptic package manager
[16:09] <Antaranian> there is no kubuntu installation
[16:10] <Mamarok> Antaranian: there is a package called kubuntu-desktop
[16:11] <Antaranian> i'm searching for kubuntu
[16:11] <Antaranian> no results :(
[16:11] <Mamarok> Antaranian: you should search for kubuntu-desktop... third time *sigh*
[16:11] <Mamarok> and use the search button, not the search field
[16:12] <Antaranian> oh ok
[16:12] <Mamarok> the search field is only to narrow down a search already made
[16:12] <Antaranian> then can I easily switch between gnome and kde interface ?
[16:13] <Mamarok> Antaranian: yes, just log out of one, and select another session in either gdm or kdm, depends on which you keep
[16:14] <Antaranian> ok, thanks Mamarok
[16:14] <Mamarok> Antaranian: yaw :)
[16:27] <hunger> Will qtcreator get upgraded to 1.2.1 in karmic?
[16:28] <hunger> Sid has the debs already...
[16:38] <ulysses__> hello, there isn't xorg.conf in my karmic koala, what can i do?
[16:39] <moonflux> is there an extra channel for kubuntu+kde 4.3?
[16:40] <moonflux> am I the only one where the Report Bug feature doesn't work for the kde 4.3rc2 packages?
[16:41] <Mamarok> hunger: no idea, you might have to check the Kermic repos or ask in #ubuntu+1
[16:41] <Mamarok> ulysses__: ask in #ubuntu+1, please, we do only support for released versions
[16:42] <Mamarok> moonflux: which one do you mean, Dr. Konqi?
[16:42] <ulysses__> Mamarok: ok thanks
[16:42] <moonflux> Mamarok: no, Help->Report Bug
[16:42] <Mamarok> or the report a bug option in the help menu?
[16:42] <moonflux> the latter
[16:42] <Mamarok> right, let me try
[16:43] <Mamarok> moonflux: seems you hit a bug, doesn't work here neither
[16:43] <moonflux> Mamarok: thx for testing, I'll ask at #kde if thats a kubuntu or general bug
[16:44] <Mamarok> moonflux: I already reported to the devs right now :)
[16:45] <Peace-> hey i have a problem here
[16:45] <Peace-> with a printer
[16:45] <Peace-> photosmart 7762
[16:45] <Peace-> it just freeze itself
[16:45] <Peace-> i tried hp-lip
[16:46] <Mamarok> Peace-: pease, don't make new line sfor evers two words, all in one line
[16:46] <Mamarok> lines for*
[16:46] <Mamarok> and please, of course :)
[16:46] <Peace-> Mamarok: ...it's 2 years i make support here
[16:46] <moonflux> Mamarok: on launchpad?
[16:46] <Mamarok> Peace-: well, be aware of the FloodBot then :)
[16:46] <Peace-> i know i know
[16:46] <Mamarok> moonflux: no, the dev channel
[16:47] <moonflux> Mamarok: I'll file a bug anyway so it doesn't get lost :)
[16:47] <moonflux> seems like its not a general kde bug btw
[16:48] <Mamarok> moonflux: they are aware of it, same bug in Karmic
[16:49] <moonflux> Mamarok: got a lp bug# to subscribe to?
[16:51] <moonflux> seems like its intended and they tried to replace the kde bug reporter with apport: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicApport
[16:52] <Mamarok> moonflux: somebody is working on it right now
[16:54] <moonflux> Mamarok: kthx
[16:54] <moonflux> an rc without a working bug report feature doesn't make much sense ;)
[17:19] <QuantumKaos> guys when copying something from a folder to another it says "could not change permission" how do i solve it up?
[17:27] <Arv3n> test
[17:28] <_abbenormal> 1 2 3
[17:28] <Arv3n> sorry, my colors aren't working right on quassel.
[17:28] <Arv3n> stupid dark themes! >: |
[17:29] <Arv3n> test again
[17:29] <Arv3n> ok now my name is white but my teext is black >: |
[17:30] <Arv3n> there we go.
[17:30] <Arv3n> sweet. :D
[17:33] <foosinn> hi, does someone know how to set a default monitor for new windows in kubuntu 9.04?
[17:33] <Arv3n> Perfect. :B
[17:35] <pafnow> foosinn, for all the windows or just a selected application ?
[17:35] <foosinn> all windows
[17:36] <Guest75625> how do you make konquall websights. like gmailer work with
[17:36] <Guest75625> how do you make konquer work with all website like gmail
[17:37] <robin0800> Guest75625, use firefox
[17:38] <pafnow> foosinn, it's in the specific parameters for the windows/applications
[17:39] <pafnow> right clic in the title bar of a window
[17:39] <pafnow> advanced/special parameters for window
[17:40] <foosinn> hmm
[17:40] <pafnow> and here in the first tab (window) you can select the window class (put nothing here, select not important in the menu)
[17:40] <foosinn> i think i need to change my xorg config
[17:40] <pafnow> (sorry for my english)
[17:40] <pafnow> wow
[17:40] <pafnow> i don't think so
[17:41] <pafnow> u have 2 monitors which work ?
[17:41] <foosinn> yes
[17:41] <foosinn> but ist a bit strange
[17:41] <pafnow> why ?
[17:41] <foosinn> if i loot in configurete monitors theres only one big screen
[17:42] <foosinn> (sorry vor my english, too :))
[17:42] <pafnow> es it's the same for me
[17:43] <pafnow> in the tab multiple monitors in display in the configuration center of kde
[17:44] <pafnow> you have a way to detect each monitor by displaying a 1 and a 2
[17:44] <foosinn> no
[17:44] <pafnow> after that, xorg creates one default output which fits the two monitors
[17:44] <pafnow> how no ?
[17:44] <foosinn> i have just one big default in the middle ^^
[17:45] <pafnow> yes it's the default output
[17:46] <pafnow> but in the left panel u must have other menu
[17:46] <pafnow> no ?
[17:47] <foosinn> in which panel?
[17:47] <n8w> hey
[17:48] <n8w> is there any kind of application which would handle my 5+1 sound system?(subwoofer management etc)
[17:50] <_abbenormal> alsamixer should
[17:50] <_abbenormal> think its also on the normal mixer built into kubuntu
[17:50] <_abbenormal> it has setting for the extra channels you can configure
[17:52] <n8w> _abbenormal: hmm the thing is that my sound engine is xine...ive got no alsa..at least its not listed under the sound engine tab
[17:53] <_abbenormal>  dpkg -l alsa*
[17:53] <_abbenormal> should list if you have it
[17:56] <_abbenormal> im working on xine and getting vdpau in it so can get playback thru vdpau have you done that yet
[17:57] <foosinn> pafnow, got it =D
[17:57] <n8w> _abbenormal: hmmm ok,well it shows that ive got it...but, what kind of application shall i run in order to make some undjustments to my sound system?
[17:57] <Mamarok> n8w: alsa is installed by default, xine is only the phonon backend
[17:57] <foosinn> i had to set it in the compiz config
[17:58] <Mamarok> n8w: which Kubuntu are we talking about?
[17:58] <_abbenormal> try alsamixer in the terminal exit saves the settings
[17:58] <n8w> Mamarok: 9.04
[17:58] <Mamarok> _abbenormal: xine is not the same as the phonon-xine-bckend for sound
[17:58] <n8w> _abbenormal: ive already done that
[17:58] <n8w> _abbenormal: there is nothin like bass management n so on
[17:58] <_abbenormal> ah ok not worked with that yet Mamarok
[17:59] <Mamarok> n8w: you should have kmix by default where you can select the channels
[17:59] <n8w> Mamarok: i cant kick it up...it wont run...ive tried that too
[18:00] <litayem> hello
[18:00] <Mamarok> n8w: no loudspeaker symbol in the pager part of the panel?
[18:00] <n8w> Mamarok: yep ive got that
[18:00] <Mamarok> n8w: that *is* kmix
[18:00] <Mamarok> right click on it
[18:00] <Mamarok> then show mixer window
[18:00] <n8w> Mamarok: oh ok..i thought that kmix is some sort of extension to it
[18:01] <Mamarok> n8w: also check if phonon sees your soundcard correctly, in systemsettings -> multimedia
[18:02] <n8w> Mamarok: i think it does...
[18:02] <pafnow> scuse me foosinn i was on phone
[18:02] <n8w> Mamarok: ye but the mixer has nothin related to a bass management
[18:03] <_abbenormal> Mamarok, is there a special way to build xine in kubuntu so i can add the vdpau xine setup
[18:03] <Mamarok> n8w: all channels visible?
[18:03] <n8w> Mamarok: yep
[18:03] <Mamarok> _abbenormal: don't know, I haven't used xine in ages
[18:03] <pafnow> so u found something foosinn ?
[18:04] <n8w> Mamarok: another thing is that when i plug in my headphones the sound is bein played from speakes as well
[18:04] <foosinn> pafnow: yes, i set it up in compiz
[18:04] <foosinn> now it works fine
[18:04] <pafnow> in compiz ?
[18:04] <foosinn> yes
[18:04] <pafnow> strange
[18:04] <pafnow> but it works
[18:04] <n8w> Mamarok: so the sound is comin from both...headphones+speakers
[18:05] <Mamarok> n8w: check the channel settings in the mixer window then, you might have to change the master channel
[18:05] <n8w> Mamarok: change to what...i dont rly know what to change it to
[18:07] <dwidmann_> n8w: it should usually be master or pcm
[18:07] <Mamarok> n8w: well, I don't know either, you will have to try it out, unless you can find some docu about your soundcard online
[18:11] <_abbenormal> can i post a url in the room
[18:12] <dwidmann_> _abbenormal: if it's not to something that violates the CoC, then I should think so
[18:12] <_abbenormal> hum looking up coc
[18:13] <_abbenormal> no its related to the topic of sound control e8n is looking for
[18:13] <dwidmann_> _abbenormal: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ubuntu.com%2Fcommunity%2Fconduct&ei=sQJiSrfLG4GasgO6ufhm&usg=AFQjCNHTDuUhqAx6yq9BLe2ibYOikMcTYw&sig2=62meBNDU0yUCLBgPJDL_lg
[18:13] <_abbenormal> think he may need to setup midi type control to do treble and bass
[18:14] <alex_> hello
[18:14] <alex_> who can help me?
[18:14] <alex_> i have a little problem
[18:14] <_abbenormal> no ne cause we dont know your issue
[18:14] <_abbenormal> ne = one
[18:14] <alex_> ok
[18:15] <alex_> the issue is this
[18:15] <_abbenormal> n8w, look thru these pages http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+sound+bass+control&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
[18:15] <alex_> i can't write sone folders in www on sistem files
[18:15] <n8w> _abbenormal: thx m8 ill take a look at it
[18:15] <alex_> some8
[18:16] <alex_> i've installed lamp
[18:16] <alex_> everyting it's ok
[18:16] <_abbenormal> n8w, http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-linux-desktop-adjust-sound-volume-control/ that my do the trick
[18:17] <_abbenormal> my = may
[18:17] <alex_> and i want to see a site
[18:17] <alex_> and i can't put the files of a site in folder var/www
[18:18] <alex_> but i can create a file over there over the terminal
[18:19] <alex_> i tried to enter on root, but my OS i can't do this
[18:19] <alex_> can someone help me?
[18:19] <alex_> :-?
[18:24] <Mamarok> alex_: sorry, I fear I don't understand what you want to do, if you say you "can't see a site"
[18:24] <n8w> _abbenormal: ye i got it:)
[18:25] <n8w> _abbenormal: im tyrin to figure out how to mute speakers when i connect my headphones..damn, dunno what to do...in ubuntu,there is smth called Headphone Jack Sense, but not in kubuntu
[18:29] <alex_> mamarok i've tried to copy a website files made by a friend of mine into folder www of the apache server
[18:29] <alex_> and i haven't the permision to do this
[18:29] <vprm> how do i get/install the Realtek RTL8185 for ubuntu-9.04??can i use synaptic??
[18:29] <Mamarok> alex_: how did you copy it?
[18:30] <pafnow> alex_:  what do u mean saying my os i can't do this ?
[18:30] <pafnow> alex_: which os ?
[18:30] <alex_> drag and drop
[18:30] <pafnow> and with the terminal ?
[18:30] <alex_> op ctrl+c and ctrl+v
[18:30] <Mamarok> alex_: you should use wget
[18:30] <alex_> with the terminal it  works
[18:30] <Mamarok> what os are you talking about?
[18:31] <alex_> but just for the files with codes
[18:31] <alex_> like .php, .txt
[18:31] <pafnow> what is the owner of the folder /var/www ?
[18:31] <alex_> on my computer i have one user
[18:31] <alex_> alex
[18:31] <alex_> that's me
[18:31] <pafnow> yes but
[18:32] <alex_> i cant log as root
[18:32] <pafnow> when u type ls -l in /var what do u have ?
[18:32] <alex_> if i write over the terminal su -root
[18:32] <pafnow> if u use ubuntu, the root access is desactivated
[18:32] <pafnow> u have to use sudo
[18:32] <Mamarok> alex_: Kubuntu doesn't use su, use sudo
[18:32] <alex_> and i write my password in pass field
[18:32] <alex_> i made update over kubuntu 9.04
[18:33] <alex_> or ubuntu
[18:33] <alex_> ubuntu,i'm pretty sure
[18:33] <pafnow> alex_: when u type ls -l in /var what do u have ?
[18:33] <alex_> at first install ihave kiwi
[18:33] <Mamarok> alex_: please answer the question
[18:33] <alex_> lets see
[18:33] <pafnow> # ls -l /Var
[18:33] <pafnow> # ls -l /var
[18:34] <Mamarok> pafnow: you are repeating yourself :)
[18:34] <pafnow> Mamarok: i made a mistake with MAJ
[18:34] <alex_> ls: invalid option -- '/'
[18:35] <alex_> and it send me to see the help for comand ls
[18:35] <pafnow> but repetition is mother of knoledge
[18:35] <Mamarok> alex_: are you in a terminal as user? the ls command is *always* valid
[18:35] <alex_> yes i'm a user
[18:35] <pafnow> what do u type exactyl ?
[18:35] <Mamarok> well, then check you did type correctly
[18:35] <alex_> what u write over here
[18:35] <alex_> ls -l/var
[18:35] <pafnow> # ls -l /var ?
[18:35] <alex_> just this
[18:35] <pafnow> and the space ?
[18:35] <alex_> yes
[18:36] <Mamarok> lexthere is a space before the /
[18:36] <alex_> oh, sorry
[18:36] <pafnow> between l and /
[18:36] <alex_> without #
[18:36] <pafnow> yes
[18:36] <alex_> i've typed ls -l/var
[18:37] <Mamarok> alex_: please type ls -l /var
[18:37] <alex_> without space between l and /var
[18:37] <pafnow> lol
[18:37] <alex_> ok
[18:37] <Mamarok> and tell us if you have permission to use that folder
[18:37] <pafnow> i have to go
[18:37] <pafnow> good luck
[18:37] <Mamarok> anyway, I have to run, cu all
[18:37] <Mamarok> oops, both of us?
[18:37] <pafnow> it seems
[18:37] <pafnow> i go to the theater
[18:37] <pafnow> :p
[18:38] <Mamarok> well, Saturday evening here, that's why :)
[18:38] <pafnow> yeap
[18:38] <Mamarok> pafnow: enjoy then :)
[18:38] <pafnow> good evening
[18:38] <alex_> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 2009-07-18 01:32 backups
[18:38] <alex_> drwxr-xr-x 20 root root  4096 2009-07-18 18:15 cache
[18:38] <pafnow> Mamarok: u too
[18:38] <alex_> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 2008-10-24 08:57 crash
[18:38] <alex_> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 2008-10-29 19:39 games
[18:38] <alex_> drwxr-xr-x 63 root root  4096 2009-07-18 18:15 lib
[18:38] <FloodBotK1> alex_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:38] <alex_> drwxrwsr-x  2 root staff 4096 2008-10-20 15:27 local
[18:38] <_abbenormal> have fun be safe and thanks Mamarok
[18:38] <Mamarok> alexei: stop!
[18:38] <pafnow> just the line with www ;)
[18:39] <Mamarok> alex_: please don't paste in the channel, you should only tell us if you have permissions or not, and you don't
[18:39] <alex_> drwxr-xr-x  4 root root  4096 2009-07-18 19:04 www
[18:39] <Mamarok> alex_: stop!
[18:39] <alex_> ok, man
[18:39] <Mamarok> alex_: we didn't ask you to post the output, only to see if you have permission
[18:40] <Mamarok> and you don't, so of course you can't write in that folder
[18:40] <alex_> ok, i understand
[18:40] <alex_> so what can i do
[18:40] <alex_> to have the permision
[18:40] <alex_> because if i haven't how i use the apache server?
[18:41] <alex_> just creating the files over the terminal?
[18:41] <Mamarok> alex_: well, are you sure you known how to dminister a webserver? maybe some documentation reading would be good before you start
[18:41] <Mamarok> administer*
[18:42] <alex_> before to use the ubuntu OS
[18:42] <alex_> i've used windows
[18:43] <dwidmann_> Linux isn't Windows
[18:43] <alex_> and over that i knew what to do
[18:43] <alex_> i know
[18:43] <Mamarok> alex_: well, there is documentation about lamp available:
[18:43] <Mamarok> !lamp | alex_
[18:43] <Mamarok> and you really should read before you do something
[18:43] <Captain_Haddock> There's also #apache
[18:43] <alex_> ok
[18:43] <Mamarok> Captain_Haddock: I don't think this is a good idea, they will send him to read the docu anyway
[18:43] <alex_> thanks alot
[18:43] <Mamarok> alex_: you are welcome
[18:44] <alex_> i understand
[18:44] <alex_> no problem
[18:44] <Captain_Haddock> Mamarok: well, that's what he should be doing and where he should be asking
[18:44] <Mamarok> alex_: we are here to help you if the docu is not enough or if something doesn't work, but you will have to read things yourself
[18:45] <alex_> another thing
[18:45] <alex_> on virtual machine
[18:45] <alex_> how i do to see the shared folders over the OS
[18:45] <Captain_Haddock> alex_: Please try and type your question all in one line :)
[18:46] <alex_> ok
[18:46] <Captain_Haddock> Which virtual machine? Which OS?
[18:46] <Mamarok> alex_: also telling us which virtual OS you are talking about might help
[18:46] <alex_> in virtual machine how i do to see the shared folders over the OS ?
[18:46] <alex_> windows
[18:46] <alex_> in my country many people work with this
[18:47] <alex_> and i steel keep windows for college
[18:47] <alex_> and i want to share the folders on the linux thru windows
[18:47] <Captain_Haddock> alex: Linux <-> Windows sharing _in Linux_ is usually accomplished using samba
[18:47] <Captain_Haddock> !samba
[18:47] <Mamarok> alex_: well, not everybody needs windows
[18:48] <alex_> u're right
[18:48] <alex_> but tell this to my teachers
[18:48] <alex_> :p
[18:49] <marsel> :)
[18:49] <_abbenormal> hey magical
[18:49] <_abbenormal> hey marsel
[18:49] <marsel> hey
[18:55] <sathish> hi
[18:56] <_abbenormal> hey sathish_
[18:57] <_abbenormal> is there an easy way to remove xine from 9.0.4
[18:57] <_abbenormal> i need to rebuild it for vdpau support
[18:57] <_abbenormal> google is not helping today
[19:05] <Brian__> just installed kubuntu again. i hope my wifi works
[19:07] <Brian__> anyone talk in here
[19:08] <_abbenormal> yes
[19:09] <Brian__> ok ive running into a problem when i try to download new plasma widgets,  everytime it says installation failed-
[19:10] <Brian__> when i goto add widgets then install new widjets, then download new plasma widgets
[19:12] <Brian__> hello
[19:35] <miglo> since my upgrade to 9.04 the automatic dial in during the boot procedure does not work anymore
[19:36] <miglo> I have used pppoeconf to recreate everthing but this also did not help
[19:37] <miglo> I had no such problems after all the upgrades I did befor
[19:38] <miglo> now, I have to start the dial-in procedure each time after login manually :-(
[19:55] <CSS_Guru> is Java one of the Linux programming languages?
[19:56] <fritzisonline> hi bazhang and avihay, i solved the problem this morning.
[19:57] <CSS_Guru> fritz aka Adam?
[19:57] <fritzisonline> no.
[19:57] <CSS_Guru> german?
[19:58] <CSS_Guru> my real name is Rolf, im German too
[19:58] <fritzisonline> i'm the jaunty jackal
[19:58] <CSS_Guru> im a jaunty Jackson 5
[19:58] <fritzisonline> if you enter lots of lines in hosts file manually, networkmanager tries to reformat the file ...
[19:59] <fritzisonline> and makes huge sized debugging file which like never stops growing
[20:00] <CSS_Guru> what's the top programming language for linux?
[20:00] <fritzisonline> whenever i tried to login the debugging process keeps working
[20:00] <fritzisonline> so i had to remove that 905Mb file manually and reset the hosts file again.
[20:00] <fritzisonline> voila
[20:01] <yesitisjustme> when i try to run googleearth the screen turns black anyone know what is wrong?
[20:02] <fritzisonline> CSS_Guru: nice to meet you i'm from hasselt limburg
[20:02] <fritzisonline> have you been there
[20:03] <CSS_Guru> ich bin berlina
[20:06] <CSS_Guru> neun und achtzig
[20:06] <twoheadedboy> could someone help me set up wireless in 9.04 on my laptop? I've looked at guides and tried both native and windows drivers and can't seem to get it to work. I've previously set up wireless on this laptop in linux before but not in this install
[20:09] <navneet> hello
[20:09] <navneet> i want to run ultamatix on ubuntu ultimate
[20:10] <navneet> but it stops working when tries for internet connection
[20:11] <navneet> anyone help plzzzz
[20:12] <navneet> ping
[20:12] <navneet> ?
[20:16] <twoheadedboy> anyone?
[20:25] <barbapa> hello
[20:26] <barbapa> The deposit "Neon project" is only for the last Amarok? No souci with (the perfect) KDE 4.3 RC2?
[20:27] <barbapa> sure, I don't want to break my system :)
[20:27] <barbapa> so I ask before...
[20:28] <vtorsaraiva> uau
[20:29] <twoheadedboy> can anyone help me get wireless to work in 9.04? here's my lshw -C network output: http://www.pastey.net/117748
[20:29] <vtorsaraiva> this chat is for what?
[20:38] <bw-tech> hi I have both gnome and kde installed, but using gnome, it boots much faster, is there a way to speed up the boot time when using kde this is on jaunty.
[20:41] <darthanubis> anyone elses plasmoids for temps reading F instead of C?
[20:55] <caporal> hello
[20:55] <caporal> kko
[21:07] <patarok> hello
[21:08] <patarok> i have 4 blocked updates ? what can i do to "un"block them?
[21:09] <CrOnOs> hi whats the topic now?
[21:24] <Arcolinux> hey  i have a problem
[21:25] <Arcolinux> when i tri to attacha file in gmail or yahoo and said attach file to choose one file suddenly the window closes
[21:25] <Arcolinux> please help me
[21:26] <Arcolinux> in konsole the result is
[21:26] <Arcolinux> "segmentation fault"
[21:26] <Arcolinux> any idea????
[21:26] <Dragnslcr> patarok- you can install them from Konsole with "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[21:27] <Arcolinux> hheeeeyyyy
[21:30] <Arcolinux> #ubuntu
[21:39] <darthanubis> accurate sensor plasmoid
[21:39] <darthanubis> anyone know of any?
[21:39] <Arcolinux> help meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[21:39] <darthanubis> Mine seem to be accurate but showing "F" instead of "C"
[21:40] <darthanubis> Arcolinux: that is not how it works
[21:40] <Arcolinux> i m so dessesperate with that problem
[21:40] <darthanubis> that's fine but fon't become a troll
[21:40] <darthanubis> don't
[21:40] <darthanubis> !patience
[21:42] <Arcolinux> i think i m gonna give up with linux
[21:43] <Arcolinux> back to windows again
[21:48] <darthanubis> Arcolinux: take care
[21:48] <sharif> How to know current Hostname of Ubuntu Machine
[21:48] <sharif> ?
[21:49] <Arcolinux> the problem is that it doesnt let me do absuluttely nothing
[21:49] <darthanubis> cat /etc/hostname
[21:49] <darthanubis> Arcolinux: Ok well boot into Windows7. You'll feel ess frustrated
[21:49] <darthanubis> less
[21:50] <sharif> Thanks darthanubis
[21:50] <barbaros> hi , i could not install firefox kubuntu
[21:50] <darthanubis> barbaros: I could
[21:50] <Arcolinux> windows 7 is better tahn linux
[21:50] <Arcolinux> jajajajajajjajajaja
[21:51] <darthanubis> Arcolinux: use it then
[21:51] <Captain_Haddock> Arcolinux: please grow up and then come back.
[21:51] <darthanubis> no one here will be mad or notice your departure
[21:51] <Arcolinux> jajajajaja
[21:51] <Arcolinux> how old are you??? 13???? jajajajajajajaja fuck you
[21:51] <darthanubis> tombstone him
[21:52] <darthanubis> Arcolinux: goodbye:)
[21:52] <darthanubis> !language
[21:54] <darthanubis> we attract the worst of the worst users
[21:54] <darthanubis> lusers
[22:01] <aaron_> can somebody help me figure out why I get junk on my screen in jaunty? I'm using the intel driver with a g45 and even without compositing there are lots of graphical problem...
[22:04] <compilerwriter> If one is get a .run file via ftp from the command line one needs to set the mode to binary doesn't one.  I haven't done and ftp from the command line in years.
[22:06] <aaron_> compilerwriter: you can check if it's executable by using ls -l. If there's an x in... I forget which slot, then you should be able to run it
[22:08] <compilerwriter> Thanks aaron_ what I was getting at was does one need to set the ftp transfer mode to binary when one is making the transfer?  I did set it that way and so far the package is running nicely with /bin/sh we shall see I guess.
[22:08] <aaron_> compilerwriter: sorry, I don't know :-(
[22:08] <compilerwriter> I only very vaguely remember things like uuencode and command line ftp stuff.
[22:09] <aaron_> compilerwriter: it has to be on the command line? KDE has an ftp protocol you can use from konqueror or dolphin, I believe
[22:11] <compilerwriter> it does if KDE is working for you aaron_; but sometimes, when that is the problem one is trying to fix, one must do things the old fashioned way.
[22:12] <compilerwriter> Come to think of it an old fashioned would be quite refreshing about now.  I have been pulling out what is left of my hair for an hour now.
[22:14] <compilerwriter> aaron_ every once in a while you have to go old school.  Tow truck drivers actually have to sling badly damaged cars once in a while.
[22:15] <aaron_> compilerwriter: good luck :-)
[22:16] <zenior> alguien habla español
[22:17] <zenior> @join
[22:18] <compilerwriter> !es zenior
[22:18] <aaron_> !es
[22:18] <compilerwriter> !es
[22:19] <compilerwriter> forgot the blasted pipe.
[22:19] <compilerwriter> !es | zenior
[22:20] <compilerwriter> Thanks aaron_
[22:20] <sharif> How to restart apache and php5 and mysql from terminal
[22:20] <compilerwriter> about to do a restart now. We shall see how it turns out.
[22:20] <aaron_> no problem
[22:20] <aaron_> sharif: I'm not sure but I think you can do with /etc/init.d/apache restart
[22:20] <aaron_> or something similar...
[22:21] <sharif> Thanks, how about mysql and php
[22:22] <aaron_> it should be a similar line for each
[22:22] <aaron_> /etc/init.d/mysql restart
[22:22] <aaron_> I'm not sure where you get the actual names from
[22:22] <chatman> php doesn't need to be restarted - apache restart does it
[22:23] <compilerwriter> sharif: you might find it useful to do an /etc/init.d/whatever stop and then do an /etc/init.d/whatever start.  That way you are certain things did indeed get fresh instantiations.
[22:23] <sharif> must write sudo first
[22:23] <compilerwriter> that or do all three after a sudo su sharif
[22:24] <sharif> sudo /etc/init.d/mysql restart
[22:24] <sharif> that works :) thanks :)
[22:25] <compilerwriter> I have thus far successfully struck the F1 key to continue.  The machine has not blown up yet.
[22:25] <sharif> but for apache
[22:25] <sharif> sudo /etc/init.d/apache restart
[22:25] <sharif> sudo: /etc/init.d/apache: command not found
[22:25] <aaron_> try /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[22:25] <aaron_> with sudo :-)
[22:25]  * compilerwriter hopes that he might be pouring a snifter of napoleon and lighting a cuban robust soon.
[22:25] <compilerwriter> s/robust/robusto
[22:26]  * compilerwriter notices the progress bar is progressing nicely; thinks perhaps he may well have got it this time.
[22:27]  * compilerwriter casts his eyes up to the heavens and crosses himself.
[22:28] <sharif> do you know how to protect PHP script ?
[22:28] <sharif> with ubuntu ?
[22:28] <tahirh> hello everyone
[22:29] <sharif> hello
[22:29]  * compilerwriter mutters curses, oaths, and epithets sotto voce.  Wrong damned driver version loaded.
[22:29] <tahirh> hello sharif
[22:30] <compilerwriter> hello tahirh
[22:31] <tahirh> does anyone know know the main logs that should be checked for system administration of a linux machine?
[22:31] <bernardlychan> anyone know how to have just the dektop on one screen (i have laptop and monitor). it was fine with gnu before but cant do it with kde.
[22:31] <tahirh> hello compilerwriter
[22:32] <bernardlychan> anyone know how to have just the dektop on one screen (i have laptop and monitor). it was fine with gnu before but cant do it with kde.
[22:32]  * compilerwriter curses once again
[22:32] <aaron_> tahirh: /var/log/syslog seems to have lots of stuff in it...
[22:33] <user__> hallo
[22:33] <llutz> tahirh: auth.log, syslog, messages, daemon.log
[22:34] <aaron_> can somebody help me figure out why I get junk on my screen in jaunty? I'm using the intel driver with a g45 and even without compositing there are lots of graphical problems
[22:35] <tahirh> but what does each set of logs show? I am just looking for the main ones for sys admininstration.
[22:37] <tahirh> They all seem to be located in /var/log/
[22:38] <llutz> tahirh: they are, that's the place logs have to be
[22:39] <tahirh> If my computer crashes and I have to power it down and then restart it. Which log shows the reason for the shutdown (the cause) after the restart?
[22:40] <tahirh> llutz are all logs always kept in /var/log ??
[22:40] <llutz> tahirh: systemwide logs should be there, yes
[22:41] <tahirh> so application logs though could be somewhere else?
[22:42] <compilerwriter> tahirh they can be kept wherever you want them to be kept in most instances.  You may have to tweak the settings of the individual programs a bit though.
[22:43] <compilerwriter> tahirh: I personally would want my system logs and application logs kept in at least two distinct folders though.
[22:44] <tahirh> thanks for that
[22:45] <tahirh> but which log shows why a system is forced to shut down? or are there more than one set of logs to be checked for that?
[22:45] <compilerwriter> tahirh: often the default for a program that has logs is to keep it in the programs directory
[22:46] <tahirh> okay.
[22:47] <tahirh> i have read that everything in linux is a file. But what about a process, a daemon, that is not a file is it?? I am confused by that.
[22:47] <tahirh> Is a daemon a file too?
[22:50] <zorael_> tahirh: numerical directories in /proc correspond to your running processes
[22:51] <compilerwriter> tahirh: a daemon is not a file
[22:51] <compilerwriter> a daemon is usually a process
[22:51] <compilerwriter> !daemon | compilerwriter
[22:51] <tahirh> so not everything in linux is a file?
[22:52] <tahirh> daemons are not files.
[22:52] <Zorael> there's a UNIX ideal to have everything be represented as a file, but not everything is.
[22:53] <compilerwriter> tahirh your monitor is a file, your printer is a file, your scanner is a file, your keyboard and mouse are files, but running programs are not files.
[22:53] <tahirh> Okay so in Linux there are processes and files.
[22:54] <bri> hi all im really new to kubntu and am just maessing about trying to get the hand of things but every time i try to change screen saver it says Directory does not exist: "/usr/share/backgrounds"
[22:54] <tahirh> Just those two things.
[22:54] <bri> any ideas on how to resolve it please
[22:54] <compilerwriter> tahirh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_(computer_software) will explain daemons to you.
[22:56] <compilerwriter> Daemons handle things like printer ques and disk management etc.
[22:57] <aaron_> does anybody know if there will be an updated intel driver in karmic? One that might fix the graphics problems I'm having?
[22:58] <tahirh> Thanks compilerwriter
[22:59] <compilerwriter> tahirh: I hope that has proven helpful.
[23:00] <tahirh> It has but I have more questions .... can there be more than one root user on a machine? like root1 and root2?
[23:00] <tahirh> so you can log what root1 has done and root2 has done separately if you see what I mean.
[23:01] <compilerwriter> tahirh: Yes there can be more than one person who is allowed to have root powers.  In *buntu flavors though one rarely is actually root.  One borrows root powers via sudo to do most things.  Every once in a while when I have a lot of root user tasks I will sudo su which in essence logs me in as root.
[23:02] <compilerwriter> tahirh: that saves me the trouble of typing sudo in front of everything I do.  and then typing a password.
[23:03] <tahirh> but can you create a root2 account with the same powers and privileges as root?
[23:03] <compilerwriter> Yes one can, tahirh, but one really should not.
[23:03] <tahirh> and with a different password. Is that a good thing to do when you have two sysadmins using the one machine?
[23:04] <tahirh> but what about when you have two sysadmins. And you want to log what each one does on the one machine??
[23:04] <compilerwriter> it becomes a security hole to have one root account much less two.  There probably is a way to see which sudoer did what, but that is something I have never ventured into.
[23:05] <compilerwriter> !sudoer
[23:07] <tahirh> thanks compilewriter!
[23:07] <llutz> tahirh: read "man sudoers", specially the part with "logname". configure sudo and use logging to see what every "root" did
[23:08] <llutz> tahirh: and btw, "root" is just a name, UID 0 has the power :)
[23:08] <tahirh> llutz: that would log the time and what root did But not what each person did. So that does not give an audit trail of what each user did.
[23:09] <tahirh> i.e as what each person did
[23:09] <Arv3n> Hrm.
[23:09] <tahirh> therefore can't connect the person to the commands that they ran.
[23:10] <compilerwriter> Kind of ironic that the big 0 has the power llutz
[23:11] <llutz> compilerwriter: it's like real-life :(
[23:12] <llutz> tahirh: you're looking for stuff like "whowatch"
[23:13] <Arv3n> does the enemy territory quake wars demo have multiplayer?
[23:13] <Arv3n> i wanna test it before i buy it. =/
[23:15] <tahirh> llutz: thanks that helps a bit
[23:17] <tahirh> Another question, people talk about "attack vectors" . Do people view ssh as an attack vector on Linux?
[23:18] <Dragnslcr> tahirh- mostly only if you have obvious usernames and weak passwords
[23:19] <Dragnslcr> fail2ban is a real handy utility to take care of brute-force attacks
[23:19] <tahirh> is a dictionary attack a type of brute force attack?
[23:22] <Dragnslcr> tahirh- yeah, usually an attacker would use a dictionary to try to go for the more likely passwords first
[23:24] <tahirh> why does brute force or a dictionary attack work when normally a system would stop the attacker after 3 password attempt and lock them out?
[23:24] <Dragnslcr> Because you need something else to do the lock out
[23:25] <tahirh> How can a program try thousands of names and words - why does the lock out then not work after a few attempts?
[23:25] <Dragnslcr> sshd won't do that by itself, and obviously there are enough servers out there that don't have a lock-out policy to make brute force attacks worth the attempt
[23:26] <tahirh> so it is because the sysadmins are careless and do not implement a lock out policy on their machines?
[23:27] <tahirh> that is stupid.
[23:27] <Dragnslcr> Pretty much, yeah
[23:28] <Dragnslcr> Especially since there are good utilities (fail2ban is probably the most popular) to do it for you
[23:29] <tahirh> so Dragnslcr you just install fail2ban on a server and let it take care of things for you?
[23:30] <Dragnslcr> You have to configure it a bit, but yeah
[23:31] <tahirh> how can an attacker gain root status if he can only ssh in as a normal user?
[23:32] <llutz> tahirh: take an ubuntu-system: no root, 1.user-passwd == root-passwd
[23:33] <Dragnslcr> Plenty of ways. Could use some local privilege elevation exploit
[23:34] <tahirh> llutz: so it is best practice to set up a root account as well as a normal account. But I think that is standard in Ubuntu hence sudo for privileged status?
[23:34] <Dragnslcr> No, you don't usually need a root password
[23:34] <tahirh> Dragnslcr: if the system is patched then is the privilege escalation unlikely?
[23:35] <Dragnslcr> You should always use normal accounts and sudo
[23:35] <tahirh> Dragnslcr: you don't need a root passwd because the user passwd=root-passwd?
[23:36] <Dragnslcr> I would say it's best to assume that a determined attacker can find a local exploit to use if they get access, so you should do everything you can to prevent unauthorized access
[23:36] <Dragnslcr> Not quite. sudo uses the user's password. There is no root password at all
[23:37] <tahirh> Can I disable sudo and just use su?
[23:37] <llutz> tahirh: you can
[23:37] <tahirh> llutz: is that good practice?
[23:38] <llutz> tahirh: i think it's not recommended here, but standard in all other linux/bsd/unices
[23:38] <tahirh> But then how can I momentarily run something as root and then go back to normal user? "su passwd && command" would that work?
[23:39] <llutz> "man su"
[23:39] <moz44> all:hello guys, I need help with the error: dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `postdrop' in statoverride file E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2). It occurs with anything i try to install via apt-get
[23:40] <tahirh> "su -c" i think from the manpage
[23:40] <Dragnslcr> tahirh- sudo has become standard practice in most *nix systems
[23:41] <Dragnslcr> tahirh- you run a command just by putting sudo in front of the command, e.g. "sudo nano /etc/somefile.conf"
[23:41] <llutz> Dragnslcr: sudo is common but not as root-replacement
[23:41] <Dragnslcr> For a desktop, always use kdesudo for KDE GUI programs
[23:41] <tahirh> Dragnslcr: there are machines I log onto which don't take sudo. I have to su over ssh which is not good I think.
[23:42] <Dragnslcr> tahirh- depends entirely on how the server is set up
[23:42] <Dragnslcr> llutz- yeah, the root account is usually still enabled, but from my experience, using it is generally discouraged in favor of sudo
[23:43] <tahirh> I would like to use su command like sudo command i.e briefly to run the command and then go back to being the normal user again.
[23:43] <Dragnslcr> Obviously not everyone has switched to sudo, but I think it's a fairly steady migration
[23:43] <moz44> hello guys, I need help with the error: dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `postdrop' in statoverride file E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2). Any ideas?
[23:44] <Dragnslcr> tahirh- you just use sudo to run commands. You don't have to worry about going back to your normal user account afterwards
[23:44] <Gerlof> hi all
[23:44] <pafnow> hi
[23:44] <Gerlof> how can i install flash mixrosuck silverlight  ?
[23:45] <Gerlof> - sudo apt-get  ..
[23:45] <Dragnslcr> !info flashplugin-installer | Gerlof
[23:45] <Gerlof> ok thx
[23:45] <tahirh> Dragnslcr: I can't on some machines cos it says "I am not in the sudoers file"
[23:46] <llutz> Dragnslcr: i see something like "ALL=(ALL) ALL" in sudoers as a securityhole. sudo is usefull to grant limited access to _some_ commands for a smal group of users, but imho not made for general admin-usage
[23:46] <pafnow> Gerlof: http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight
[23:46] <Gerlof> ok
[23:46] <Dragnslcr> tahirh- then you need some other way to get root access to add yourself to the sudoers file
[23:46] <tahirh> so I have to "su" to get access i.e become root
[23:46] <pafnow> Gerlof: http://www.go-mono.com/moonlight/
[23:46] <Gerlof> sudo is good
[23:47] <Gerlof> then ask for pass  >  ok
[23:47] <pafnow> Gerlof: i suceeded with these two links
[23:47] <Dragnslcr> llutz- if you're in a company, though, you can use sudo to give people root access without having to give them the root password, which makes things easier when people leave the company
[23:48] <llutz> Dragnslcr: that's what sudo was made for
[23:49] <Dragnslcr> As with everything else, there really isn't a "X is always best"
[23:50] <Arv3n> who else is using kde 4.3?
[23:50] <pafnow> Arv3n: me
[23:50] <Dragnslcr> I would recommend using sudo all the time just because it's usually better, so it's a good habit to get into. If someone that knows what they're doing doesn't want to use it, though, I'll trust them to know what's best for their specific situation
[23:50] <tahirh> Thanks guys. How can I enable sudo for people without giving away root passwd?
[23:50] <Dragnslcr> tahirh- you use visudo to edit the sudoers file
[23:51] <tahirh> visudo /etc/sudoers. And then I add the "user" to ALL=(ALL) ALL
[23:52] <Dragnslcr> Just "visudo"
[23:52] <Dragnslcr> Or "sudo visudo" if you aren't already root
[23:52] <Arv3n> check out my dark desktop: http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k117/xArv3nx/snapshot2-3.jpg
[23:53] <Arv3n> its funny, it only took a few minutes to come up with
[23:53] <Arv3n> theming is not gnomes strong point :<
[23:53] <tahirh> I did sudo visudo but got "not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported."
[23:54] <tahirh> I think I have to be su
[23:55] <tahirh> But is not a risk giving users sudo powers?
[23:55] <llutz> sure it is
[23:56] <tahirh> So it is a no no then really :)
[23:56] <tahirh> too risky
[23:57] <llutz> tahirh: give only those rights, people really need to have and only to those who need
[23:58] <tahirh> what if they need them but can't have them because it is too risky as they could potentially wipe everything out as there are crossmounts everywhere?
[23:58] <tahirh> what would you do in that situation?