[00:30] argh, when the heck will Xorg be able to handle keycodes > 255? [00:31] damn xorg. [00:31] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11227 [00:31] Freedesktop bug 11227 in Input/Core "Allow > 255 keycodes" [Enhancement,New] [01:03] When is Karmic going into beta? [01:05] MindVirus: see the release schedule in the topic [01:05] yofel, thanks. :) [01:06] Sweet, it's coming out as stable near my birthday. [01:06] Great present. [01:07] Now, what will be new/improved in Karmic? [01:07] Loads of fun stuff. :) [01:08] I'm loving Karmic on my laptop. [01:08] jpds, may I have an example? [01:10] Grub2? I think blueman is now the default bluetooth applet (which is a lot better than the last one). [01:10] What's new in Grub? [01:11] Any improvements to the file chooser? [01:11] And to PulseAudio? NetworkManager? [01:12] So... eglibc. Does that kill anyone's system? [01:13] RAOF: Not mine. [01:14] Any news on the new theme? [01:15] It will have the [01:15] Ubuntu brown. [01:15] Ubuntu brown? [01:15] That doesn't sound nice [01:16] Bacta: meaning, probably no new theme in this release either :) and maybe not in the next, but in a couple of years, I'm sure it'll be there ;) [01:16] Someone did have the idea of having a competition where people can submit their ideas and then there's a vote [01:16] Doesn't sound like a bad idea to me [01:18] Currently is there a way of doing the glass transparency effect you get with Vista? [01:18] Bacta: Well, there is already artwork/incoming wiki, although no voting there, and brainstorm with votes, but not very good for visualizing.. [01:19] I think there needs to be more desktop backgrounds shipped with it [01:19] The orange one that came with 9.04 is actually depressing after a while [01:19] Bacta: I don't know, you mean like window borders? I'm sure emarald would do that... haven't looked though... [01:20] Kind of like this http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs16/i/2007/139/5/9/Windows_Vista_Glass_PSD_by_halfwayglad.jpg [01:21] It's kinda possible to do that, but not really. [01:21] Ubuntu is getting there in terms of usability but it does look a little depressing to me ;) [01:22] Perhaps I should up the prozac instead of whining [01:27] Bacta: I guess http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Azul+Glassy?content=92208 is somewhat like that... [01:28] Yep that looks cool :) [01:30] Bacta: But Indeed I've started setting ub my own default ubu theme, by now, brown ages quickly. I use new-wave+clearlooks+tango/tangerine icons, and a custom blue-ish tone for marking, handles, etc... [01:30] Screenshot? [01:33] * arand rummages around after an old shot. [01:35] Bacta: Something like: http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/5046/wtblue.png [01:37] If we're already talking about themese, here's mine ;) http://imagebin.ca/view/5bZsig.html blue darkroom/glider/oxygen-icons/oxygen-cursor [01:37] the brown ubuntu theme *is* depressing [01:40] yofel: and at the same time it feels to warm, to goey, intrusive almost... always preferred colder colours I guess. [01:41] One theme I really like is aurora http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Aurora+Gtk+Engine?content=56438 - shame it's not in the repos [01:41] arand: yeah, know what you mean [01:41] arand: You do have the transparency thing going too [01:42] yofel: Gundam Wing .. typical ;) [01:42] yofel: Neat theme there btw, although I'm not sure I like thew intesity of the blue, kinda bit too neon-y for me.. [01:42] Bacta: actually it's the Exia from G00 [01:43] I prefer Nodoka, myself. [01:43] www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Screenshot.png [01:44] heh ... this is what you get on torrentz.com when their servers are overloaded http://torrentz.com/img/hamster.jpg , cute [01:44] That theme (especially on a non-glossy display) == wonderfully smooth. [01:44] ugh, now my mute is screwed up... the hardware mute and the software mute are stuck opposite each other. [01:45] DanaG: That theme is very... orange. [01:46] I like orange. =þ [01:46] Though if I wanted to tone it down, I could use the color-picker on the wallpaper. [01:46] well, at least the backround fits the theme :D [01:48] oh, I'd forgotten which wallpaper was in the screenshot. [01:49] Hmm, I like plain backgrounds, I want to be able to see my icons :) (I honestly don't get all those wallpapers where the main "thing" is on the left side, perfect for interfereing with the icons...) [01:51] This is my current background: http://konachan.com/image/e4b7fcf53c18c4010d591bd7ee92eb37/Konachan.com%20-%209504%20clamp%20fay_d_flourite%20kurogane%20sakura%20syaoran%20tsubasa_reservoir_chronicle.jpg [01:51] Though I cropped it to the top 1600x1000. [01:51] Oh, and be warned: might wanna' search that site with keyword AND "rating:safe". [01:53] That's what I was thinking of when I mentioned color picker and "toning down" the color. [01:55] I recently cropped up one from a webcomic: http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9270/0573.png taken from: http://rosalarian.com/yume/?p=1328 [02:07] morning [02:08] Tekno: morning... I guess, /me is heading off to bed soon... [02:26] Here's something weird I get: I can't boot via grub-efi anymore -- it (the kernel) acts like it can't comprehend the ext4 partition. [02:28] Unable to mount root on unknown-block(0,0) [02:28] or: "unsupported optional features" -- because it's trying to mount as ext3. Or: no init found. [02:39] Main menu stopped working, al of a sudden... odd... [02:41] hmm, logout/login solved it... [03:57] morning [04:09] cant be morning yet, i haent slept yet :( [04:09] :D [04:10] anyone else having problems with timeouts when ssh-ing into a karmic ssh server? [04:30] 05:27 < virtuald> how do i get rid of this blinking getty without an inittab? [04:30] 05:27 < virtuald> it pops up over x and disappears [04:43] Is there anything that would make Karmic lock up immediately after booting besides "It's still in Alpha"? [04:47] So is there scheduled to be any major gui changes in KK, or are they going to put it off till LL? [04:48] by gui changes I mean default look (ie the brown theme) [04:48] I read that it might be put off again [04:57] y does my pc keep lockin up at startup? http://pastebin.com/m993dfdc [04:59] HowDoI, you mean put off untill karmic+2? [05:03] poseidon: definitely for next LTS ... that's what Mark said... [05:03] That's what I hear from some site that had an interview with Shuttleburg [05:04] Shuttleworth [05:04] So they claim to have fixed most of the issues with Intel Graphics for Karmic, but is there any way to get those working with Jaunty? [05:05] xorg-edgers [05:05] and mainline kernels [05:06] andresmujica, he made it sound like there was going to be a new theme for karmic [05:07] I tried that, but the entire system locked up immediately on booting with those new packages [05:08] yeap. it's the hint for a new theme, but i don't get a firm conviction about it from what i've read... [05:09] howdol: and the ext4 line is the last you get? [05:09] No, I mean it usually gets to the desktop and then freezes [05:10] So far my Memtest86 hasn't found anything, so It's probably not my RAM [05:19] a lot of bugs have that exactly symptom... hard to tell. [05:20] Well it did the exact same thing in Jaunty after I installed the updated X-related packages [05:20] anyway there were some X stack updates to Jaunty that reduced the freeze considerably... [05:21] Well, the instructions I used weren't exactly clear as to whether the new packages required kernel 2.6.30 or not [05:24] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Freeze#Problem:%20%20Freezes%20right%20after%20entering%20login%20credentials [05:26] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/IntelDriver [05:30] Hmm, I think I'll just wait for the problem to get fixed in Karmic [05:30] Actually I'm not so sure, considering the problem won't get fixed in Jaunty. Is this correct? [05:36] would be mitigated. Jaunty is EXA, so the performance is better in Karmic definitely [05:37] That only applies if I can actually use the system though [05:38] you can try nopat option kernel at boot [05:38] maybe its your bug [05:38] What is nopat? [05:39] bug #372028 [05:39] Launchpad bug 372028 in linux "broken PAT code in kernel causes consistent xorg freeze at startup for some users of intel driver" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/372028 [05:40] anyone know a way to search throug /usr for files not from any package? [05:40] I used the 2.6.30 kernel with Jaunty and did not experience the freezing problem [05:41] are they still releasing 2.6.30 kernels for karmic (as new stable revisions of vanilla kernel are released) ? [05:42] 2.6.31 rc3 [05:43] No, I meant like 2.6.30.3 [05:44] ahh Mainline kernels you mean? [05:44] yes. [05:44] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMainlineBuilds [05:44] yeap [05:44] ok i'm out... [05:45] ah, well, I didnt want mainline kernels either, I wanted the ubuntu ones but new ones as bugs were fixed in mainline [06:01] http://www.bit-tech.net/news/bits/2009/07/16/firefox-3-5-suffers-critical-js-flaw/1 [06:03] their JIT gets confused [06:06] They need to get their JIT straightened out [06:06] You could say that their security problems have put them in a world of JIT [07:04] hah, installing ntp package just gave me a "config file changed" file where the "old" was entirely empty. === YDdraigGoch is now known as Fluffles [07:37] anyone else having problems with timeouts when ssh-ing into a karmic ssh server? [07:41] I can ssh localhost just fine. [07:44] it works, but i get the hang followed by a timeout. [07:45] the ocassional hang [08:50] Here [08:50] Hi, I'm running Ubtuntu 9.10. I've played with some servers: SSH, FTP, HTTP. I would really want to know if I still run those [08:51] And if they start when i login [08:52] <|ns|nR8> you could see if the port is listening [08:52] how? [08:53] <|ns|nR8> well for standard http the port listening would be port 80 unlkess you changed it [08:53] <|ns|nR8> so command to find that port listening would be um [08:53] <|ns|nR8> netstat -nat | grep 80 [08:53] <|ns|nR8> or netstat -nat | grep "80" [08:54] <|ns|nR8> ssh is grep 22 [08:54] <|ns|nR8> ftp 21 [08:54] ok i have this: tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN [08:54] <|ns|nR8> that means you have web server running...in your browser put http://127.0.0.1 [08:55] and how do i stop those? [08:55] <|ns|nR8> do you want to stop it or remove it [08:55] and is there a way for someone to enter my pc and copy my files? on ssh for ex? [08:55] remove it. [08:55] <|ns|nR8> depends what type of connection your on....is your modem a nat router ? [08:55] router [08:56] <|ns|nR8> then they cant connect froom internet unless you set port forward in router [08:56] <|ns|nR8> people on local LAN can access tho [08:56] My isp has the router. not me [08:56] my isp has a lan, and we all get internet from it [08:57] <|ns|nR8> whats your internet ip..go to www.whatismyip.com [08:57] <|ns|nR8> ill see if i can connect to you [08:57] <|ns|nR8> ok [08:57] 193.239.1401.184 [08:57] <|ns|nR8> invalid ip [08:57] so you can't? [08:57] connect [08:57] <|ns|nR8> thats not a valid ip [08:57] 193.239.140.184 [08:58] sorry [08:58] <|ns|nR8> ok ill try [08:58] <|ns|nR8> noop no web server running [08:58] Ok. So i'm pretty safe [08:59] <|ns|nR8> yep id say so [08:59] <|ns|nR8> http server only shares a directory it made [08:59] <|ns|nR8> same as ftp [08:59] <|ns|nR8> and ssh needs your username and password [08:59] i know. but ssh is dangerous [08:59] they cand bruteforce it [09:00] <|ns|nR8> if your running ubuntu there is no root login [09:00] <|ns|nR8> so they would have to brute your username and password [09:00] <|ns|nR8> make it near impossible even with an easy password [09:00] hmm. true.. [09:00] another question [09:01] i was running this ssh cause i wanted to connect from another pc to mine [09:01] but never could [09:01] <|ns|nR8> because your modem needs port forarding set probably [09:01] <|ns|nR8> modem/router [09:01] also, no http or ftp server. [09:01] <|ns|nR8> same [09:01] no, beacuse on windows http and ftp works [09:02] bunt in ubuntu, i cand connect only locally... 127.0.0.1 [09:27] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7pkyDUX5uM === djakl is now known as jrendil [09:36] virtuald, dont paste here [09:39] i have no qualms about swearing in church [09:40] virtuald, ?? [09:59] I'm using Karmic on my Asus EEE PC 1000HE. I have two sound applets now that both seem to be disconnected from the sound controls of GNOME's keyboard sound controls. Is there a way to solve this? [10:34] hmm... I've filed a bug report about a week ago and it hasn't even been noticed it seems... is that normal? [10:35] reto`: sometimes yes [11:19] heyyy [11:19] I'M BACK [11:21] now doing 19 sec boot [11:21] yeahhhh [11:24] hot [11:24] My boot isn't that quick, but it shuts down fast :D [11:24] i still have to test hibernation [11:25] and put a swap on file [11:25] need to find the wiki page with it again [11:25] lost a few things I forgot to backup :(( [11:25] like my cheat txt I stored on /root :((( [11:25] and my most recent bootcharts from /var/logs [11:25] other then that I seem to be OK [11:25] dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=2M count=someamount && mkswap /swapfile && swapon /swapfile [11:25] now need to restore a few things! [11:25] >_> [11:26] 2M ? [11:26] aint that a bit too much? [11:26] Or whatever block size you want when writing to the disk c_c [11:26] I did leave a 5GiBs partion for now [11:26] since cjwatson hasn't yet touched this [11:27] he expects to start latter on alpha6 :( [11:27] but thanks for the command Twigathy [11:27] hehe, np [11:51] today my scim was not start :( [11:51] echo $GTK_IM_MODULE in "" [11:51] others too [11:51] :-/ [11:53] humm what? gtk broke? [11:54] :-/ [12:16] does anyone know any new features in karmic desktop ? [12:18] Gueu can read the alpah 2 release notes [12:18] is there a link ? [12:22] getting it now Guest64688 [12:22] ok cheers :) [12:22] mysystem is a bit slow [12:22] due to beiung restoring a 80GiB mailbox backup [12:23] oh right, haha yeah thatd slow most things down [12:23] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/TechnicalOverview [12:23] cool cheers [12:23] http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha2 [13:31] Hiyas all === WelshDragon is now known as Fluffles [14:35] anyone seeing two volume applets? [14:36] BUGabundo: Yes, I have two. [14:37] drs305: one is the new one, and the other the jaunty? [14:37] where one is vertical and one horizontal? [14:38] and with a fresh install I also lost the volume levers control I had [14:39] BUGabundo: Yes - one is in the notification area and the other at the far right of the panel. [14:39] yep [14:39] very strange [14:40] though it was configuration issue but I have it too on a fresh install [14:40] BUGabundo, you can remove one [14:40] BUGabundo: I saved the panel settings and it looks like one is /usr/share/applications/gnome-settings-sound and the other /usr/share/applications/gnome-sound-recorder [14:40] robin0800: I can only remove old one, and I like that one [14:41] BUGabundo: Yes, the one you can't remove is probably in the notification area. [14:41] right [14:42] I take it back about sound.recorder. That is another applet I have on my panel. [14:43] The one you can remove it the volume applet. [14:43] yes [14:45] do you guys feel that fusion-icon start the WM it had stored instead keeping the one already running is a bug? or a feature? [14:46] mine had metacity so it replaced my compiz :( [15:11] anyone here [15:11] no [15:11] knows what is console kit? [15:11] tgpraveen1: barely. [15:11] BUGabundo> what does the alert volume do?[from volume control] it is greyed out. [15:11] arand: atleast tell me what u know. what does it do? [15:11] or any helful link it seems i cant google properly [15:11] mac_v: alert? [15:12] where are you seeing that? [15:12] tgpraveen we are all at the beach [15:12] BUGabundo> volume applet> volume control [15:12] all but me, I'll be buying snacks and free beer [15:12] tgpraveen1: http://tinyurl.com/lujxjw [15:12] tgpraveen1: Oh, barely as in barely here, I know nothing about consolekit, unfortunately. [15:13] mac_v: aahhhhh it's the small beeper noise for errors or user attention call [15:13] BUGabundo: why is it greyed out? is it still not implemented? [15:14] mac_v: d'oh. have you set a Sound Theme? [15:14] * BUGabundo wants the old Levels Volume back!! [15:15] BUGabundo> even if i set any sound theme/leave it alone it is still greyed out [15:15] WFM mac_v [15:16] BUGabundo, this one works much better for me if i use rhythmbox it tracks the two volumes [15:16] ;p [15:17] eheh [15:17] I use pavucontrol for FULL control [15:17] BUGabundo> is it because i have the second volume applet? the last update did that.. how do i removed the extra volume applet [15:17] when ever it doesn't go crazy and presents me with 140% volume [15:18] mac_v: I've had it since for ever [15:18] even before alpha 2 I think [15:18] !gnome-phone-manager [15:18] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [15:19] what am i doing wrong here? [15:19] ohhhh Compiz Snow is SOOO much cooler then Water !!! [15:19] i hadnt noticed it before, only yesterday , i had a second volume applet, so was looking around... how do i remove the second applet? it doesn have options [15:19] !info gnome-phone-manager [15:19] tgpraveen1: AFAIK it doesn't work with blueman ! [15:20] I need to file a bug on it , now that you mention it [15:20] gnome-phone-manager (source: gnome-phone-manager): control aspects of your mobile phone from your GNOME 2 desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.65-1 (karmic), package size 161 kB, installed size 1024 kB [15:20] BUGabundo>^ & also ... do you know any man pages for the latest gdm? [15:20] mac_v, you can't only thr first one [15:21] BUGabundo: right now which is the default bluetooth stack software?blueman or gnome-bluetooth? [15:21] in karmic? [15:21] robin0800> so , i'm stuck with two applets. :( its just i'm not able to test the alert volume... well i guess i'll wait for it to be fixed [15:22] * BUGabundo tries to remember where to put 64bits flash .so :\ [15:22] tgpraveen1: _right now_ is very volatile, but asac is inclined to go with blueman [15:23] is there any other distro using blueman? [15:23] no idea [15:23] BUGabundo: also right now in daily cds which is being put by default? blueman? [15:23] but from my tests, its much better and more funcional [15:23] plus a better responsive team upstream [15:24] let me check [15:24] this system was isntalled ysterdaty [15:24] BUGabundo> any man pages for the latest gdm? [15:24] BUGabundo: I did an install last night. Went to this site in FF 3.5 and it asked if I wanted to install Adobe Flash for me automatically (cool !): http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/155/tn_15507.html [15:24] err [15:24] nor blueman, nor gnome-bluetooth [15:24] LOL [15:24] mac_v: no idea [15:24] :-D [15:25] drs305: I want the 64 alpha [15:25] not thte 32 or 64 wrapper [15:25] BUGabundo: This was the first time it's ever asked me in 64 bit. [15:25] tgpraveen1: I know I have BT on.... let me check better [15:25] drs305: always did for me [15:25] but I ussually go with the native one! [15:26] much better perf [15:26] Darn, thought it was new and put on 10 Alpha. [15:26] tgpraveen1: bluez-gnome [15:27] BUGabundo: isnt that the one in jaunty? [15:27] it was super terrible [15:27] * BUGabundo installing blueman [15:27] aargh i dont use my bt usb device anymore as it never works with that [15:27] Anyway, here is where I used to put 10 Alpha: ~/.mozilla/plugins/ /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins I don't know if it's the same for Karmic. [15:27] tgpraveen1: no idea! it was so long ago, and soooo buggy [15:28] tgpraveen1: with blueman I can sync files and even use my phone as a modem [15:28] that freak HUGE work I can't spell [15:28] now I need to test BT and audio [15:28] i heard some problems due to ubuntuone package, is responsible for nautilus crashes? [15:29] Daniel said PA would have support for it in KK [15:29] /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins thanks [15:29] done [15:29] Working? [15:30] now I realize I forgot nautilyus tools [15:30] stupid me did not backup my installed apps !:( [15:30] mac_v: U1 Qs go to #ubuntuone [15:30] doest seem to be starting for me [15:31] BUGabundo> i actually dont have ubuntuone account, but the package is installed :( [15:32] eheh [15:33] does anyone have issue with avant window navigator ? On my side, I experience many unstable behaviour starting with the cpu usage and the task list that never appear [15:33] Processing triggers for menu ... [15:33] E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [15:33] A package failed to install. Trying to recover: [15:34] this is not going to end good :( [15:34] BUGabundo> ah... i thought it was you who mentioned it... but only now i realized it was from #ubuntu-desktop had to check logs... the client causes the nautlius crash when selecting computer [15:34] patapouf: use gnome Do (with docky) instead [15:34] and yeah there's a bug on AWN already [15:34] BUGabundo: I've been checking the libflashplayer.so the Adobe site automatically installed (It actually installed flashplugin-installer). It appears it put the 10 Alpha flash into my system. [15:34] BUGabundo: Well I've try Do, and love it, but it miss one of the big feature I need : drag-n-drop [15:35] patapouf: ah? dnd? never even used it [15:35] drs305: AFAIK it puts 32bits with a wrapper, unless it changed on KK [15:36] BUGabundo: wep, I dnd thing between application. The default WindowsList applet in panel do so, but Gnome-Do don't [15:37] E: flashplugin-installer: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2 [15:37] LOLOL [15:37] I don't even have it! darn flash tries to get into my system [15:38] patapouf: I think you are confusing things [15:38] Do is _just_ a luncher [15:38] BUGabundo: exact, and it's the problem. [15:40] so what does AWN more? [15:40] * BUGabundo now wishes gnome devs would implement drag, alt+tab, drop!!!! [15:40] BUGabundo: It's also support all the feature of a Windows List [15:41] never tried it, or even know what that means :) [15:41] The flashplugin-installer the Adobe site put on my machine installed a libflashplayer.so that is exactly identical in bytes to the 10 Alpha one. [15:41] strange [15:41] maybe it changed ? [15:43] BUGabundo: mind giving me the link to nm 0.8 ppa again? [15:43] grrr let me go road kill asac... I can't remove flashplugin-installer [15:43] tgpraveen1: you keep losing it!! [15:43] deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/network-manager/trunk/ubuntu karmic main [15:43] tgpraveen1: remember to also install modem manager if you use 3G [15:43] yeah i thought i wont use it but these days nm 0.7 series is giving me too many troubles ;-) [15:44] is it? [15:44] shouldn't [15:45] BUGabundo: do u have the launchpad link for that ppa. i want to use it on jaunty [15:46] http://paste.ubuntu.com/221207/ [15:46] tgpraveen1: you can't! [15:46] its failing to build [15:46] oh noes :-( [15:47] https://launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive/trunk [15:47] https://edge.launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive/trunk/+build/1119304 [16:08] OMG only now i found out about Compiz Tile plugin! been missing it for soooo long! [16:11] so what's everyone favorite windows swicher? [16:11] compiz tile? [16:11] I have shift swicher on super+alt [16:11] oh, that one, right [16:11] but want one for alt+tab [16:11] Hobbsee: yeah tile!! SO good [16:11] missed that for..., well for ever [16:12] Hobbsee: using OP? [16:12] I found it strange to see you up high. and now I noticed the star ehhe [16:12] OP? [16:12] oh [16:13] ahah [16:13] yeah, i booted soeone out a few days ago [16:13] you forgot? [16:13] ehehhh [16:13] days? [16:13] lol [16:13] mmy keyboads' broken, so i've been avoiding typing for a few weeks [16:13] new keyboard should be here in a few days [16:13] strange that I looked as if you were invisilbe or soemthing [16:13] I could see you on my top user list, but not the OP symbol [16:13] stange [16:13] only when you talked it changed [16:14] that's when I noticed you were set as OP [16:14] yup [16:15] i went to -devel to look at booting the guy fo thee too [16:15] eheh [16:15] I bet you don't have 'e's on the keyb [16:15] i do have e's [16:15] err [16:15] I meant 'r' [16:15] typo [16:15] just not m, r, c, and a few othes ae soewaht tepraental [16:15] r's and m's :) [16:16] ade the istake of cleaning it otu... :( [16:16] AHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA [16:16] no dangerous command then :) [16:16] nope [16:16] its the funniest thing to read :)) [16:16] I'm almost crying [16:16] bazhang: Hobbsee can't rm now [16:16] BUGabundo, but she can tab-complete, beware :) [16:16] BUGabundo: ctrl+r is the biggest poblem, actually [16:16] Hobbsee - to make it even more confusing, you should also try changing your keyboard layout to french or something ;) [16:17] * Hobbsee should really rebind that [16:17] chrisccoulson: oh, erk! :) [16:17] chrisccoulson: o just dvorak [16:17] lol [16:17] hey [16:17] one R in there [16:17] * BUGabundo blames spell chekker [16:17]