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[00:09] <slangasek> jpds: eglibc/amd64 in accepted
[00:09] <slangasek> s/accepted/done/
[00:19] <slangasek> cjwatson: your alsa-plugins ppa upload conflicts with a same-versioned upload in karmic
[00:19] <jpds> slangasek: All installed, how do I check that what ever was broken is fixed?
[00:20] <slangasek> jpds: well, flash+pulseaudio is one; if you can play sound through the 32-bit sound plugin when other pulseaudio apps already have the sink open, then that's fixed
[00:20] <slangasek> that's the one I'm interested in personally; but presumably if you're an ia32-libs user, you have other things you can do to regression test?
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[01:58] <slangasek> cjwatson: the new ia32-libs doesn't seem to contain /usr/lib32/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so AFAICS
[02:47] <StevenK> cjwatson: Yup, that was the plan, for UNR to be in main.
[04:42] <ashbringer> Is this the right channel to ask questions about configuring debian-installer? I'd like to add packages to be installed by default on the alternate CD, and I've followed the tutorial on the wiki to generate a repository I've tested and know to be installable-from, but for some reason the pgksel/include lines in the preseed file aren't being adhered to or something. What exactly do I need to do to get extra packages installed?
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[07:18] <hile> hmmh noticed that on karmic ca-certificates-java fails, if you have additional internal certs in ca-certificates.conf, or maybe it does not like the key format?
[07:18] <hile> keytool error: java.security.NoSuchAlgorithmException: SHA384withECDSA Signature not available error adding
[07:20] <hile> nevermind already reported, bug 392104
[07:20] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 392104 in ca-certificates-java "[Karmic] Update to ca-certificates 20090624 prevents ca-certificates-java from installing" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/392104
[07:23] <hile> except the report claims it's fixed in 20090629 but I saw the bug today in this version
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[09:35] <alex-weej> can we add something to launchpad t
[09:35] <cjwatson> slangasek: ok, I'll rev alsa-plugins
[09:35] <alex-weej> *that detects if a user is marking a bug incomplete with that stupid stock message "we were wondering..." and punches them in the face
[09:35] <cjwatson> slangasek: IMO lib32asound2-plugins ought to ship /usr/lib32/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so, surely?
[09:36] <slangasek> cjwatson: it's built from pulseaudio source, not alsa-lib source
[09:36] <cjwatson> libasound2-plugins: /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so
[09:36] <alex-weej> about 3 years ago i went round reporting /lots/ of minor bugs that have never been fixed
[09:36] <alex-weej> and idiots keep making me reconfirm them every release
[09:36] <cjwatson> ... not here?
[09:36] <slangasek> cjwatson: oh.
[09:37] <slangasek> cjwatson: then... building it from alsa-lib source would make a circular build-dep, but I guess that's ok
[09:38] <cjwatson> alsa-plugins actually
[09:39] <cjwatson> oh, I think the problem is that pulseaudio doesn't have a biarch build, so alsa-plugins can't build that module
[09:39] <cjwatson> so, um ... should I arrange to copy just *some* files from libasound2-plugins into ia32-libs, but not others?
[10:06] <cjwatson> StevenK: ok, added to component-mismatches, we'll see what happens
[11:00] <ogra> wow, did anyone try to listen to mp3's in karmic yet ?
[11:01] <ogra> mine play at double speed and are pretty jumpy here
[11:03] <Laney> what media player?
[11:03] <ogra> i tested all gstreamer based up to now, RB, banshee, totem ...
[11:04] <ogra> same with mplayer
[11:04] <ogra> sounds like a CD with a crack
[11:05] <Laney> no problems here :(
[11:05] <ogra> hmm, intresting, xine has no output at all
[11:09] <Laney> tried killing pa?
[11:09] <Laney> killall pulseaudio, I mean
[11:09] <ogra> ah, upgrading and reboot helped
[11:09] <Laney> aha
[11:09] <ogra> nah, i wouldnt be that evil to my soundserver :)
[11:10] <Laney> flash demands I do it quite often
[11:10] <ogra> works fine here
[11:10] <Laney> better so far in karmic than it was in jaunty, but I still have to do it every now and again
[11:11] <ogra> weird
[11:20] <ogra> hmm, i wonder if there is a way to make gnome-terminal pick up the shell prompt while i'm in a chroot
[11:21] <ogra> it always only shows the last dir i'm in ... given that all my chroots are in the same dir the terminals all have the same title
[11:31] <ogra> Keybuk, shouldnt dbus pick up if i'm running it in a chroot (like hal does) and not try to start ?
[11:31] <ogra> Adding new user `messagebus' (UID 103) with group `messagebus' ...
[11:31] <ogra> Not creating home directory `/var/run/dbus'.
[11:31] <ogra> invoke-rc.d: initscript dbus, action "start" failed.
[11:31] <ogra> ...
[11:33] <ogra> meh... indeed i didnt have proc mounted, ignore me
[13:29] <scizzo-> hello, I was wondering..I am going through some of my old bug reports and was wondering about a 1 year old bug I commited. There is none assigned to it but is confirmed. What would actually be the best way to ask for confirmation from the various systems of that bug report? That is (hardy, gutsy, jaunty and karmic etc)?
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[13:51] <Ampelbein> scizzo-: can you tell us the bug number? maybe it's an upstream bug and needs to be reported to the developers of the software.
[13:55] <scizzo-> Ampelbein: one second
[13:56] <scizzo-> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/181843
[13:56] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 181843 in apt "[hardy] apt-get doenst ask confirmation" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[13:56] <scizzo-> Ampelbein: thank you
[14:01] <Ampelbein> scizzo-: the last comment on that bug requests confirmation if the issue still exists. that is the correct way. Additionally, the report should be set to "Incomplete" while waiting for confirmations.
[14:02] <scizzo-> Ampelbein: yes I added a comment to it to try and get confirmation if this issue still exists
[14:02] <scizzo-> since I myself am not having the issue anymore however someone else might have come across it
[14:03] <Ampelbein> scizzo-: so you have done the right thing. If there is no more confirmation for ~4 weeks you can safely close the report.
[14:05] <scizzo-> Ampelbein: sounds good
[14:05] <scizzo-> Ampelbein: thanks again
[14:05] <Ampelbein> scizzo-: you're welcome.
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[16:11] <ogra> mumble, was rsyslog seeded buut not promoted yet?
[16:13] <ogra> damned and i was this >< close to have armel ltsp client setups working
[16:15] <ogra> hmm, oh, ok, -meta was only uploaded this morning
[16:17] <ogra> then i wonder why debootstrap isntally the minimal deps differently
[16:17] <ogra> *installs
[16:22] <WanderingKnight> hey there
[16:22] <WanderingKnight> I think I'm seeing a leak in X
[16:22] <ogra> put a bucket under it :)
[16:23] <WanderingKnight> xD
[16:23] <WanderingKnight> on Kubuntu 9.04 amd64, using nvidia driver
[16:24] <WanderingKnight> with kwin effects on
[16:24] <WanderingKnight> on idle, after a couple of days, /usr/bin/X is taking up over 600 MB of RAM
[16:24] <WanderingKnight> and swap usage is of 400 MB
[16:26] <ogra> well, best is to file a bug, though if its in the binary nvidia driver itself its quite unlikely someone apart from nvidia could fix it
[16:26] <WanderingKnight> yeah :/
[16:27] <jpds> WanderingKnight: Have you tried using the nouveau drivers by any chance?
[16:27] <WanderingKnight> nope, I need 3D
[16:29] <ScottK> No one NEEDS 3d.
[16:30] <ogra> 3D graphics designers do :)
[16:31] <ogra> and probably game developers ...
[16:32] <chrisccoulson> you'll need 3d when we eventually have to run gnome-shell (unless someone decides that it would be sensible to have a fallback)
[16:33] <chrisccoulson> (of course, if you're running gnome)
[16:33]  * ScottK isn't.
[16:33] <ScottK> lool: Around?
[16:41]  * chrisccoulson wishes git wasn't so hard to use
[16:43] <ogra> dont use it ;) LP can import git trees
[16:44] <chrisccoulson> ogra - i could try that i suppose. but sometimes if you write big patches in gnome, they prefer to review the work in a git branch
[16:48] <ScottK> ogra: Also (last I heard) only head, not branches which is very limiting.
[16:48]  * ScottK would love to import pkg-clamav git, but it's the packaging branch I care about ....
[17:01] <c_korn> setup.py usually installs libraries of packages to /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/ but then the application cannot find it. what is going wrong here?
[17:03] <hile> for reasons I don't understand the python uses dist-packages, site-packages is not on path
[17:05] <c_korn> hile: ok, thanks
[17:07] <hile> better look for the guides and reasoning behind this change so that you do things right with it (something to do preventing package updates messing up with manually installed ones)
[17:08] <hile> maybe it was to allow compiling a python version manually, which would use dist-packages as usual, and the packaged one could exist same time, something like that?
[17:09] <hile> anyway, there are good reasons, I guess you can find the docs by googling 'dist-packages python' or similar
[17:13] <c_korn> seems to be fixed in karmic: lp 'dist-packages python'
[17:13] <c_korn> oops
[17:13] <c_korn> lp 362570
[17:13] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 362570 in python2.6 "Python distutils installs into 'site-packages' instead of 'dist-packages' when a prefix is set" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/362570
[17:24] <ogra> cjwatson, dont we need to drop Priority: important from sysklogd and klogd ?
[19:04] <ogra> wohoo !!! stgraber, i just built my first armel thin client !!
[19:08]  * ogra commits the code changes to ltsp
[19:10] <ScottK> ogra: ltsp is going to need changes for rsyslog if they aren't done already.
[19:10] <ogra> why should it need any changes
[19:11] <ScottK> ogra: I don't recall the details, but there were some ltsp specific changes in or ksyslogd package.
[19:11] <ScottK> or/our
[19:11] <ogra> there was a special case in the initscript to override /etc/default/syslogd
[19:12] <ogra> given /etc/default/syslogd vanishes with syslogd users should simply use the /etc/default file of rsyslog so we dont have anything non-standardish again
[19:13] <ScottK> OK.
[19:13] <ogra> its more a documentation issue than a code change
[19:13]  * ScottK nods.
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[19:39] <stgraber> ogra: yeah !!! you can boot them as thin client now ? you still don't have PXE equivalent right ?
[19:40] <ogra> no, but the imx51 boards have redboot in flash
[19:41] <ogra> i will need o work out the right runes for tftp'ing kernel and initramfs, then it will just work
[19:44] <stgraber> ogra: nice
[19:45] <ogra> i really didnt expect the changes to be that trivial, was really nice to discover that
[19:45] <ogra> and i found an upstart induced bug :)
[20:25] <Xodiac13026> i am trying to get ubuntu to install on my desktop for some reason it wont read it or read it here and there when i load up xp it has no problem loading it how can i install ubuntu
[20:27] <Xodiac13026> ?
[20:27] <Xodiac13026> can anyone please help me
[20:29] <Xodiac13026> hello
[20:30] <Simira> Xodiac13026: this is not a support-channel. Try #ubuntu-help our your community channel
[20:30] <Xodiac13026> well all the other support channels wont help me so if you could take to them that would be appreciated
[20:31] <Xodiac13026> theres only like 7 people in it and im on my laptop with windows xp
[20:31] <Xodiac13026> trying to install to my desktop
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[21:02] <ScottK> Simira: The support channel is #ubuntu, not #ubuntu-help.
[21:03] <Simira> ScottK: oh, sorry. I thought they were redirected because of the workload...
[21:09] <ebroder> Any backporters around that could ACK bug #216761? I promise I'll leave people alone about this one once it gets backported :)
[21:09] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 216761 in xen-3.3 "[hardy-backports] errors in xendomains init script" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216761
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