=== asac_ is now known as asac
dtchenmaco: (nick-highlight doesn't fire for me unless it's at the very beginning followed by a colon or comma) reproducible in another DE?00:20
macodtchen,  umm...dont have another DE installed, but it is reproducible across reboots00:24
dtchenmaco: try a daily-live of another DE00:26
dtcheni highly doubt it's actually in the core audio stack00:26
dtchennothing has changed for your controller or codec00:26
dtchenthere is a set of scheduler fixes that landed two days ago in linux-2.6.git that are in yesterday's cod build00:27
dtcheni don't see anything related there, either00:27
dtchenso, i'd go about troubleshooting by (order not important): 1) attempt to reproduce in a current daily-live of ubuntu; 2) attempt to reproduce in your current kubuntu karmic install with the latest cod build00:29
macodtchen, ok will do00:43
lex79JontheEchidna: can you upload this? launchpad bug 39527601:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 395276 in kdenlive "Please merge kdenlive 0.7.5-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39527601:10
JontheEchidnaman, we could almost sync that01:12
lex79we lose kdenlive replaces kdenlive-data01:14
JontheEchidnayeah, that's why I said almost ;-)01:14
JontheEchidnawe'll have to wait until 10.10 to sync though :(01:14
* JontheEchidna takes a look at the merge01:14
lex79after, look for ack this launchpad bug 39530001:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 395300 in texmaker "Please sync texmaker 1.9.2-1 from debian unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39530001:15
* JontheEchidna does that while he downloads the tarball01:16
lex79thx :)01:16
JontheEchidnabtw, you can use the requestsync app to make fancy sync requests easy01:17
lex79requestsync app ? what is and where is ?01:18
JontheEchidnarequestsync --lp texmaker karmic01:18
JontheEchidnaubuntu-dev-tools I think01:18
lex79uhm seems better than old way :)01:19
JontheEchidnait even subscribes the right people for you01:21
lex79JontheEchidna: launchpad bug 40029101:34
ubottuLaunchpad bug 400291 in kdesvn "Please merge kdesvn 1.3.2-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40029101:34
lex79not mine...01:34
JontheEchidnaoh, yeah. saw that01:34
JontheEchidnaI had a question about that I think01:34
JontheEchidnaI should look at it again and comment01:34
lex79yes, look this:01:35
lex79-Section: vcs01:35
lex79+Section: devel01:35
JontheEchidnaoh, that's it01:39
lex79Maintainer: Kubuntu Developers <kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com>01:58
lex79is only for packages in main ?01:58
JontheEchidnawell, I don't know if there's any official policy02:01
JontheEchidnabut usually that's how it is02:01
lex79but now for packages in Universe the maintainer is Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>02:03
lex79right ?02:03
vorianj to the o to the n02:33
JontheEchidnaanybody seen a bug where copying something to a usb stick makes the computer totally unresponsive? Even X and all your good old text tty's?03:13
JontheEchidnacp, dolphin, anything copying a largish file to usb will do it03:15
DaskreeCHUnder what circumstances?03:20
DaskreeCHI'm pretty sure if it happened all the time we might have heard about it by now03:20
JontheEchidnajust copying stuff to my usb stick03:20
JontheEchidnahappens every time03:21
lex79JontheEchidna: that problem happens every time also here, I have to switch to window seven for copy big .avi files to usb stick. Sometimes the computer is responsive but the copy takes too time to finish. Very annoying03:52
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ScottKryanakca: I'd appreciate some help reorganizing wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Netbook/HardwareTesting into a decent table.  Know anyone that could help.04:41
DaskreeCHLike the laptop pag?04:42
ScottKDaskreeCH: Exactly.04:55
rgreeninghey ScottK05:23
rgreeninghow goes05:23
ScottKrgreening: Not bad.  Got kubuntu-netbook-default-settings uploaded, into Main, and should be on the next ISO build.05:32
rgreeningI'm getting further with the tacacs server package :)05:37
rgreeningjust ironing out the sql stuff05:37
DaskreeCHis the netbook install going to be on the main CD ?05:38
seeleno it is going to be a separate CD05:55
DaskreeCHhow much space wassaved on the sropping of KDE3 and GTk?05:56
seelethe idea is to have a Kubuntu Netbook Edition05:56
DaskreeCHHow much space is the target install suppsoed to take up?06:10
ScottKDaskreeCH: About the same as a regular Kubuntu install.  The ISO is bigger since we carry all the popular language packs on it.06:16
DaskreeCHScottK: Hmm Ok07:04
hunger_tAny chance of getting the sid qtcreator debs into karmic? Sid has 1.2.1, karmic is still stuck at 1.1.0:-(07:35
DaskreeCHGet a sponsor and yes07:38
DaskreeCHhi mgraesslin09:38
mgraesslinhi DaskreeCH09:39
DaskreeCHhow are you?09:39
mgraesslinstill tired :-)09:41
apachelogger_EgS: is it me or is the core kinda slow?12:43
apachelogger_trying to get a connection for a couple of minutes now12:43
ryanakcaScottK: I can try.13:14
ScottKryanakca: Thank you.13:19
ryanakcaScottK: How's the current format? It makes for one mammoth table, but it's a table :)14:11
apachelogger_JontheEchidna, nixternal, vorian: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/yokadi14:22
* apachelogger_ is wondering whatever happened to awen14:22
JontheEchidnahe went on a ten-day trip some days ago14:22
JontheEchidnaonly a week after he came back from being gone a month14:23
apachelogger_sounds sensible :S14:23
apachelogger_JontheEchidna: go revu the magic out of yokadi14:23
JontheEchidnaapachelogger_: needs LP bug14:24
apachelogger_you know, I think that is my first python package that enters the archives14:24
apachelogger_JontheEchidna: like show me the policy for that :P14:24
JontheEchidnaI don't really care about it either, to tell you the truth :P14:24
JontheEchidnableh, need to create a pbuilder chroot14:33
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JontheEchidnathis is awesome: http://imagebin.ca/view/VDj_yO4.html15:05
JontheEchidnaexcept that the keyboard dun work (Qt bug apparently)15:06
JontheEchidnaand it just crashed when I closed the tab v.v15:06
Monika|Kwhat, uh, is so awesome on the screenshot, JontheEchidna?15:27
JontheEchidnaokular embedded in firefox15:28
ScottKryanakca: Definite improvement.  Please keep going.16:40
ryanakcaScottK: *nod*, I didn't want to get it all done and find out it wasn't what you wanted. I'm adding it on my TODO for when I get back, I'm on my way out on the boat with my family, I'll be back in five or so hours.16:41
ScottKryanakca: Thanks.16:41
macodidn't kicker used to stay open when you move the mouse off of it?17:40
seelemaco: you mean krunner?17:55
seeleer, what krunner replaced?17:56
macono the kicker menu18:09
macoit closes when i mouse off of it...i used to have to click the "K" again to close it18:09
macoseele, ^18:10
* seaLne confirms maco's experience18:12
seelemaco: you mean kickoff? the kmenu?18:12
Tm_Tmaco: I believe it depends on ones settings in some cases, don't ask how or why18:14
seaLneis anyone able to give me a summary of sound brokenness in karmic? still unsure if it is just some soundcards or all alsa or some other problem?18:15
seaLneRiddell: you in edinburgh atm? ok if i just post you your laptop psu?18:16
apachelogger__maybe we should boot arora18:19
apachelogger__no one seems to like it anyway :P18:19
* JontheEchidna wonders what needs done with webkitkde18:20
JontheEchidnaaside from totally redoing the konq settings dialog18:20
Monika|Kmaybe not boot it, but wait longer18:20
Monika|Kit doesn't look as if it would even pass minimal requirements at the time of the next release18:21
apachelogger__Monika|K: there is some pretty important stuff I don't even know how to resolve properly in a maintainable matter18:22
apachelogger__the upcoming netbook stuff makes it also a lot more difficult18:22
apachelogger__even though it would be the one benefiting the most of a more reliable browser18:22
seeleJontheEchidna: it wont be done in time for karmic18:23
seeleJontheEchidna: (webkit/khtml/konq stuff)18:23
Monika|K"at least on netbooks the bookmark bar should go away, since it wastes the rare display real estate" - even on my netbook I would never give up my bookmark bar18:23
apachelogger__well, arora won't either :|18:23
seeleJontheEchidna: redesigning the settings dialog might be possible though18:24
apachelogger__Monika|K: that is a personal preference18:24
apachelogger__from a UI point of view the default netbook setup should be tuned towards content18:24
Monika|Kwhat does it mean to be tuned towards content?18:25
apacheloggerMonika|K: remove UI bits that get in the way of content display18:28
firephotois anyone considering the browsing part of the browser when considering arora and not just the app interface? konq wins hands down if you don't care about websites you can't use with it.18:28
apacheloggerfrom my point of view the bookmarks bar is a workaround for browser having crappy address bars18:29
apacheloggerfirefox' awesomebar is kinda what I'd like to see all across18:29
apacheloggerjust even more useful :P18:29
Monika|Kis Awesomebar the normal Firefox address bar?18:30
apacheloggeryou basically just enter some bookmark name and it will offer that bookmark as first option18:30
apacheloggeranyway, if a bookmark bar, then a vertical one ... the whole idea of having it horizontal is rather stupid18:31
apacheloggerwindow deco => menu bar => browser bar => bookmarks bar => tab bar => content18:32
apacheloggerif that approach is not inefficient then I don't know what is :P18:32
Monika|Kwhy is the idea to have it horizontal stupid?18:32
apacheloggerbecause it contributes to the waste of space18:33
apacheloggergoogle chrome does it the right way18:33
apacheloggerall hail the chrome18:33
Monika|KI am more concerned about vertical space than horizontal space18:33
Monika|Knarrowing down the width of the screen screws up many websites18:33
Monika|Khorizontal scrolling sucks18:34
Monika|Knormal scrolling I don't mind18:34
apacheloggerthe trend is widescreen18:34
shtylmanRiddell: I have done some migration work on the installer (new theme) to the actual installer codebase. I can do an install front to back...with it. I need people to review it now, I assume before we actually make it the installer? or can we do that for alpha 3?18:34
apacheloggershtylman: it is alpha after all :D18:34
apacheloggerthough we might give it a round of testing before pushing it to the archives18:34
apacheloggereven for an alpha a broken installer is kinda bad ;-)18:35
shtylmanhaha ... true18:35
apacheloggerfirephoto: the associated data are not to be forgotten18:37
apacheloggerwe can't migrate cookies for example18:37
apacheloggeralso, since konqueror is UI wise much more preferable than arora it is likely that we want to migrate back once webkit is useable with konqui18:38
apacheloggerthen we have to reverse the whole migration mess18:38
RiddellseaLne: yes, post would be best18:41
apacheloggerryanakca: btw, why are there grey boxes around the orange arrows on kubuntu.org?18:43
shtylmanryanakca: have any mockups of the website changes we talked about at UDS?18:44
Riddellshtylman: e-mail me where to find the code and I can try it out tomorrow18:46
shtylmanRiddell: will do :)18:46
valgaavjust curious what's so broken about webkit kpart for konqueror ?  ... From last planetkde post for me it seems to not be as bad18:52
valgaavthough last time I tried it flash dind't work in it :(18:52
Riddellit doesn't integrate, all the konqueror settings don't apply18:53
Riddelltry it, it's in the archive18:53
JontheEchidnathe snapshot in jaunty is a bit buggy, but the one in karmic works very well aside from not wanting to save my cookies19:00
* ScottK echos apachelogger's disappointment with arora so far.19:03
* ScottK doesn't find it as good as konqueror on most sites.19:03
ScottKBTW, git snapshot of quassel will follow KDE default settings.19:04
* ScottK will upload that probably tomorrow.19:04
apacheloggerScottK: kde default settings?19:10
ScottKapachelogger: kds or knds in our case.19:14
shtylmanhow many days are we from alpha3?19:15
ScottKShould have Alpha 3 freeze on Tuesday and Alpha 3 on Thursday.19:15
apacheloggerScottK: btw, what sould we do about nepomuk?19:16
apacheloggerafaik trueg now recommends a new backend19:16
apacheloggerand last I checked we didn't even have that in the repos19:16
ScottKapachelogger: Isn't that the one that's a freeware version of some proprietary db?19:16
apachelogger... it appears to be part of a larger stack though ... even larger than mysql :D19:16
apacheloggerwell, redland is rotting away19:17
apacheloggerand the java thing is not really an option IMHO19:17
* ScottK thinks KDE needs to pick something and stick with it.19:17
ScottKYeah, the Java thing is non-free.19:17
* ScottK would vote postgresql, but that's just me.19:17
ScottKActually I think they ought to put some "talk to a database" API in kdelibs and have everyone use that.19:18
* ScottK does a little more armwaving and waits for it to appear.19:18
apacheloggerlike I said the other day, database should have been one of the pillars of kde 419:19
* apachelogger fires up mp3blaster19:19
ScottKNo reason new pillars can't be added I don't think.19:19
apacheloggerRiddell, ScottK:akonadiconsole is a development tool and part of kdepim-runtime19:28
apacheloggerthe thing is, it is shown in the menu in the development cateogry19:28
apacheloggerso it has to disappear one way or another19:28
apacheloggeroptions: 1) detach akonadiconsole into an own .deb that is not installed by default 2) add Hidden=true to it's desktop file19:29
apacheloggerwhats it gonna be?19:29
* apachelogger thinks that 1) is certainly the better way to do it, on the other hand due to the still kind-of experimental nature of akonadi it might be useful for debugging to give users a tool to check stuff (under guidance in a bug report for example)19:29
CIA-74Kubuntu: apachelogger * r7 kdepim-runtime/ (.bzr-builddeb .bzr-builddeb/default.conf): Add .bzr-builddeb directory with defaults for merge package so one can drop the -m option for bzr-builddeb19:31
apachelogger*daft punk is playing my house*19:42
apacheloggerjussi01: get a wiki page started19:46
jussi01apachelogger: for arora?19:50
lex79apachelogger: have you time for two uploads in main? kipi-plugins and digikam20:19
lex79or ScottK or Riddell :) launchpad bug 40123120:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 401231 in digikam "Merge digikam 1.0.0~beta2 with debian unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40123120:24
lex79launchpad bug 39548120:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 395481 in kipi-plugins "Merge kipi-plugins 0.4.0-1 with debian unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39548120:24
JontheEchidnalex79: going to do gtk2-engines-qtcurve too?20:47
lex79JontheEchidna: yes20:47
JontheEchidnak, I noticed you skipped it the last few times so I was just asking :)20:47
lex79JontheEchidna: yes, upstream is too fast eheh20:48
ScottKapachelogger: I saw split the akonadi thing and make it vanish.20:49
ScottK(from default install)20:49
apacheloggerScottK: mergedaway maybe?20:52
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lex79launchpad bug 40147121:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 401471 in kde-style-qtcurve "New upstream release 0.66" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40147121:01
JontheEchidnalex79: or you could push it to bzr and get it sponsored from there21:05
lex79ok I push it to bzr21:06
JontheEchidnaas long as it's in bzr I'm happy :)21:06
ScottKapachelogger: I saw/I'd say21:08
* ScottK can't type.21:09
lex79JontheEchidna: can you ack this? launchpad bug 40147921:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 401479 in cutecom "Please sync cutecom 0.22.0-1 from debian unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40147921:09
apacheloggerScottK: ok, I'll split ASAP21:10
apacheloggerScottK: btw, if you get a chance, please take a look at yokadi in NEW21:10
ScottKOK.  Probably not until late tonight or tomorrow.21:11
apacheloggergood enough for me, I am working the next 3 days, so don't expect much from me ;-)21:12
apacheloggerthat said, I should go to bed21:12
JontheEchidnaSo I am thinking that it's about time to retire gtk-qt-engine from the archives22:13
JontheEchidnaIt has never ever worked properly and we have the stuff that does work (GTK config) in other packages22:14
JontheEchidnawe are nearing the 2nd anniversary of its last upload too22:16
dtchenJontheEchidna: +1. it certainly confuses people attempting to match look-n'-feel who install anything referenced from googled blog entries22:48

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