[00:20] <dtchen> maco: (nick-highlight doesn't fire for me unless it's at the very beginning followed by a colon or comma) reproducible in another DE?
[00:24] <maco> dtchen,  umm...dont have another DE installed, but it is reproducible across reboots
[00:26] <dtchen> maco: try a daily-live of another DE
[00:26] <dtchen> i highly doubt it's actually in the core audio stack
[00:26] <dtchen> nothing has changed for your controller or codec
[00:27] <dtchen> there is a set of scheduler fixes that landed two days ago in linux-2.6.git that are in yesterday's cod build
[00:27] <dtchen> i don't see anything related there, either
[00:28] <maco> ok
[00:29] <dtchen> so, i'd go about troubleshooting by (order not important): 1) attempt to reproduce in a current daily-live of ubuntu; 2) attempt to reproduce in your current kubuntu karmic install with the latest cod build
[00:43] <maco> dtchen, ok will do
[01:10] <lex79> JontheEchidna: can you upload this? launchpad bug 395276
[01:12] <JontheEchidna> man, we could almost sync that
[01:14] <lex79> we lose kdenlive replaces kdenlive-data
[01:14] <JontheEchidna> yeah, that's why I said almost ;-)
[01:14] <JontheEchidna> we'll have to wait until 10.10 to sync though :(
[01:14] <lex79> ok
[01:14]  * JontheEchidna takes a look at the merge
[01:15] <lex79> after, look for ack this launchpad bug 395300
[01:16]  * JontheEchidna does that while he downloads the tarball
[01:16] <lex79> thx :)
[01:17] <JontheEchidna> btw, you can use the requestsync app to make fancy sync requests easy
[01:18] <lex79> requestsync app ? what is and where is ?
[01:18] <JontheEchidna> requestsync --lp texmaker karmic
[01:18] <JontheEchidna> ubuntu-dev-tools I think
[01:19] <lex79> uhm seems better than old way :)
[01:21] <JontheEchidna> it even subscribes the right people for you
[01:22] <lex79> useful
[01:34] <lex79> JontheEchidna: launchpad bug 400291
[01:34] <lex79> not mine...
[01:34] <JontheEchidna> oh, yeah. saw that
[01:34] <JontheEchidna> I had a question about that I think
[01:34] <JontheEchidna> I should look at it again and comment
[01:35] <lex79> yes, look this:
[01:35] <lex79> -Section: vcs
[01:35] <lex79> +Section: devel
[01:39] <JontheEchidna> oh, that's it
[01:58] <lex79> Maintainer: Kubuntu Developers <kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com>
[01:58] <lex79> is only for packages in main ?
[02:00] <JontheEchidna> right
[02:01] <lex79> ok
[02:01] <JontheEchidna> well, I don't know if there's any official policy
[02:01] <JontheEchidna> but usually that's how it is
[02:03] <lex79> but now for packages in Universe the maintainer is Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>
[02:03] <lex79> right ?
[02:06] <JontheEchidna> right
[02:33] <vorian> j to the o to the n
[03:13] <JontheEchidna> anybody seen a bug where copying something to a usb stick makes the computer totally unresponsive? Even X and all your good old text tty's?
[03:15] <JontheEchidna> cp, dolphin, anything copying a largish file to usb will do it
[03:20] <DaskreeCH> Under what circumstances?
[03:20] <DaskreeCH> I'm pretty sure if it happened all the time we might have heard about it by now
[03:20] <JontheEchidna> just copying stuff to my usb stick
[03:21] <JontheEchidna> happens every time
[03:52] <lex79> JontheEchidna: that problem happens every time also here, I have to switch to window seven for copy big .avi files to usb stick. Sometimes the computer is responsive but the copy takes too time to finish. Very annoying
[04:41] <ScottK> ryanakca: I'd appreciate some help reorganizing wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Netbook/HardwareTesting into a decent table.  Know anyone that could help.
[04:42] <DaskreeCH> Like the laptop pag?
[04:42] <DaskreeCH> page
[04:55] <ScottK> DaskreeCH: Exactly.
[05:23] <rgreening> hey ScottK
[05:23] <rgreening> how goes
[05:32] <ScottK> rgreening: Not bad.  Got kubuntu-netbook-default-settings uploaded, into Main, and should be on the next ISO build.
[05:36] <rgreening> cool
[05:37] <rgreening> I'm getting further with the tacacs server package :)
[05:37] <rgreening> just ironing out the sql stuff
[05:38] <DaskreeCH> is the netbook install going to be on the main CD ?
[05:55] <seele> no it is going to be a separate CD
[05:56] <DaskreeCH> how much space wassaved on the sropping of KDE3 and GTk?
[05:56] <seele> the idea is to have a Kubuntu Netbook Edition
[05:57] <seele> dunno
[06:10] <DaskreeCH> How much space is the target install suppsoed to take up?
[06:16] <ScottK> DaskreeCH: About the same as a regular Kubuntu install.  The ISO is bigger since we carry all the popular language packs on it.
[07:04] <DaskreeCH> ScottK: Hmm Ok
[07:35] <hunger_t> Any chance of getting the sid qtcreator debs into karmic? Sid has 1.2.1, karmic is still stuck at 1.1.0:-(
[07:38] <DaskreeCH> Get a sponsor and yes
[09:38] <DaskreeCH> hi mgraesslin
[09:39] <mgraesslin> hi DaskreeCH
[09:39] <DaskreeCH> how are you?
[09:41] <mgraesslin> still tired :-)
[12:43] <apachelogger_> EgS: is it me or is the core kinda slow?
[12:43] <apachelogger_> trying to get a connection for a couple of minutes now
[13:14] <ryanakca> ScottK: I can try.
[13:19] <ScottK> ryanakca: Thank you.
[14:11] <ryanakca> ScottK: How's the current format? It makes for one mammoth table, but it's a table :)
[14:22] <apachelogger_> JontheEchidna, nixternal, vorian: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/yokadi
[14:22]  * apachelogger_ is wondering whatever happened to awen
[14:22] <JontheEchidna> he went on a ten-day trip some days ago
[14:23] <JontheEchidna> only a week after he came back from being gone a month
[14:23] <apachelogger_> sounds sensible :S
[14:23] <apachelogger_> anyway
[14:23] <apachelogger_> JontheEchidna: go revu the magic out of yokadi
[14:24] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger_: needs LP bug
[14:24] <apachelogger_> you know, I think that is my first python package that enters the archives
[14:24] <apachelogger_> JontheEchidna: like show me the policy for that :P
[14:24] <JontheEchidna> true
[14:24] <JontheEchidna> I don't really care about it either, to tell you the truth :P
[14:26] <apachelogger__> \o/
[14:33] <JontheEchidna> bleh, need to create a pbuilder chroot
[15:05] <JontheEchidna> this is awesome: http://imagebin.ca/view/VDj_yO4.html
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> except that the keyboard dun work (Qt bug apparently)
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> and it just crashed when I closed the tab v.v
[15:27] <Monika|K> what, uh, is so awesome on the screenshot, JontheEchidna?
[15:28] <JontheEchidna> okular embedded in firefox
[16:40] <ScottK> ryanakca: Definite improvement.  Please keep going.
[16:41] <ryanakca> ScottK: *nod*, I didn't want to get it all done and find out it wasn't what you wanted. I'm adding it on my TODO for when I get back, I'm on my way out on the boat with my family, I'll be back in five or so hours.
[16:41] <ScottK> ryanakca: Thanks.
[17:40] <maco> didn't kicker used to stay open when you move the mouse off of it?
[17:55] <seele> maco: you mean krunner?
[17:56] <seele> er, what krunner replaced?
[18:09] <maco> no the kicker menu
[18:09] <maco> it closes when i mouse off of it...i used to have to click the "K" again to close it
[18:10] <maco> seele, ^
[18:12]  * seaLne confirms maco's experience
[18:12] <seele> maco: you mean kickoff? the kmenu?
[18:14] <Tm_T> maco: I believe it depends on ones settings in some cases, don't ask how or why
[18:15] <seaLne> is anyone able to give me a summary of sound brokenness in karmic? still unsure if it is just some soundcards or all alsa or some other problem?
[18:16] <seaLne> Riddell: you in edinburgh atm? ok if i just post you your laptop psu?
[18:19] <apachelogger__> maybe we should boot arora
[18:19] <apachelogger__> no one seems to like it anyway :P
[18:20]  * JontheEchidna wonders what needs done with webkitkde
[18:20] <JontheEchidna> aside from totally redoing the konq settings dialog
[18:20] <Monika|K> maybe not boot it, but wait longer
[18:21] <Monika|K> it doesn't look as if it would even pass minimal requirements at the time of the next release
[18:22] <apachelogger__> Monika|K: there is some pretty important stuff I don't even know how to resolve properly in a maintainable matter
[18:22] <apachelogger__> the upcoming netbook stuff makes it also a lot more difficult
[18:22] <apachelogger__> even though it would be the one benefiting the most of a more reliable browser
[18:23] <seele> JontheEchidna: it wont be done in time for karmic
[18:23] <seele> JontheEchidna: (webkit/khtml/konq stuff)
[18:23] <Monika|K> "at least on netbooks the bookmark bar should go away, since it wastes the rare display real estate" - even on my netbook I would never give up my bookmark bar
[18:23] <apachelogger__> well, arora won't either :|
[18:24] <seele> JontheEchidna: redesigning the settings dialog might be possible though
[18:24] <apachelogger__> Monika|K: that is a personal preference
[18:24] <apachelogger__> from a UI point of view the default netbook setup should be tuned towards content
[18:25] <Monika|K> what does it mean to be tuned towards content?
[18:28] <apachelogger> Monika|K: remove UI bits that get in the way of content display
[18:28] <firephoto> is anyone considering the browsing part of the browser when considering arora and not just the app interface? konq wins hands down if you don't care about websites you can't use with it.
[18:29] <apachelogger> from my point of view the bookmarks bar is a workaround for browser having crappy address bars
[18:29] <apachelogger> firefox' awesomebar is kinda what I'd like to see all across
[18:29] <apachelogger> just even more useful :P
[18:30] <Monika|K> is Awesomebar the normal Firefox address bar?
[18:30] <apachelogger> yes
[18:30] <apachelogger> you basically just enter some bookmark name and it will offer that bookmark as first option
[18:31] <Monika|K> ah
[18:31] <apachelogger> anyway, if a bookmark bar, then a vertical one ... the whole idea of having it horizontal is rather stupid
[18:32] <apachelogger> window deco => menu bar => browser bar => bookmarks bar => tab bar => content
[18:32] <apachelogger> if that approach is not inefficient then I don't know what is :P
[18:32] <Monika|K> why is the idea to have it horizontal stupid?
[18:33] <apachelogger> because it contributes to the waste of space
[18:33] <apachelogger> google chrome does it the right way
[18:33] <apachelogger> all hail the chrome
[18:33] <Monika|K> I am more concerned about vertical space than horizontal space
[18:33] <Monika|K> narrowing down the width of the screen screws up many websites
[18:34] <Monika|K> horizontal scrolling sucks
[18:34] <Monika|K> normal scrolling I don't mind
[18:34] <apachelogger> the trend is widescreen
[18:34] <shtylman> Riddell: I have done some migration work on the installer (new theme) to the actual installer codebase. I can do an install front to back...with it. I need people to review it now, I assume before we actually make it the installer? or can we do that for alpha 3?
[18:34] <apachelogger> shtylman: it is alpha after all :D
[18:34] <apachelogger> though we might give it a round of testing before pushing it to the archives
[18:35] <apachelogger> even for an alpha a broken installer is kinda bad ;-)
[18:35] <shtylman> haha ... true
[18:35] <shtylman> yea
[18:35] <shtylman> quite
[18:37] <apachelogger> firephoto: the associated data are not to be forgotten
[18:37] <apachelogger> we can't migrate cookies for example
[18:38] <apachelogger> also, since konqueror is UI wise much more preferable than arora it is likely that we want to migrate back once webkit is useable with konqui
[18:38] <apachelogger> then we have to reverse the whole migration mess
[18:41] <Riddell> seaLne: yes, post would be best
[18:43] <apachelogger> ryanakca: btw, why are there grey boxes around the orange arrows on kubuntu.org?
[18:44] <shtylman> ryanakca: have any mockups of the website changes we talked about at UDS?
[18:46] <Riddell> shtylman: e-mail me where to find the code and I can try it out tomorrow
[18:46] <shtylman> Riddell: will do :)
[18:52] <valgaav> just curious what's so broken about webkit kpart for konqueror ?  ... From last planetkde post for me it seems to not be as bad
[18:52] <valgaav> though last time I tried it flash dind't work in it :(
[18:53] <Riddell> it doesn't integrate, all the konqueror settings don't apply
[18:53] <Riddell> try it, it's in the archive
[19:00] <JontheEchidna> the snapshot in jaunty is a bit buggy, but the one in karmic works very well aside from not wanting to save my cookies
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> http://i38.tinypic.com/33zd7qd.jpg
[19:03]  * ScottK echos apachelogger's disappointment with arora so far.
[19:03]  * ScottK doesn't find it as good as konqueror on most sites.
[19:04] <ScottK> BTW, git snapshot of quassel will follow KDE default settings.
[19:04]  * ScottK will upload that probably tomorrow.
[19:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: kde default settings?
[19:14] <ScottK> apachelogger: kds or knds in our case.
[19:14] <apachelogger> oh
[19:14] <apachelogger> neato
[19:15] <shtylman> how many days are we from alpha3?
[19:15] <ScottK> Should have Alpha 3 freeze on Tuesday and Alpha 3 on Thursday.
[19:16] <shtylman> gotcha
[19:16] <apachelogger> ScottK: btw, what sould we do about nepomuk?
[19:16] <apachelogger> afaik trueg now recommends a new backend
[19:16] <apachelogger> and last I checked we didn't even have that in the repos
[19:16] <ScottK> apachelogger: Isn't that the one that's a freeware version of some proprietary db?
[19:16] <apachelogger> ... it appears to be part of a larger stack though ... even larger than mysql :D
[19:16] <ScottK> Yep.
[19:17] <apachelogger> well, redland is rotting away
[19:17] <apachelogger> and the java thing is not really an option IMHO
[19:17]  * ScottK thinks KDE needs to pick something and stick with it.
[19:17] <apachelogger> +1
[19:17] <ScottK> Yeah, the Java thing is non-free.
[19:17]  * ScottK would vote postgresql, but that's just me.
[19:18] <ScottK> Actually I think they ought to put some "talk to a database" API in kdelibs and have everyone use that.
[19:18] <apachelogger> aye
[19:18]  * ScottK does a little more armwaving and waits for it to appear.
[19:19] <apachelogger> like I said the other day, database should have been one of the pillars of kde 4
[19:19] <ScottK> Sensible.
[19:19]  * apachelogger fires up mp3blaster
[19:19] <ScottK> No reason new pillars can't be added I don't think.
[19:28] <apachelogger> Riddell, ScottK:akonadiconsole is a development tool and part of kdepim-runtime
[19:28] <apachelogger> the thing is, it is shown in the menu in the development cateogry
[19:28] <apachelogger> so it has to disappear one way or another
[19:29] <apachelogger> options: 1) detach akonadiconsole into an own .deb that is not installed by default 2) add Hidden=true to it's desktop file
[19:29] <apachelogger> whats it gonna be?
[19:29]  * apachelogger thinks that 1) is certainly the better way to do it, on the other hand due to the still kind-of experimental nature of akonadi it might be useful for debugging to give users a tool to check stuff (under guidance in a bug report for example)
[19:31] <CIA-74> Kubuntu: apachelogger * r7 kdepim-runtime/ (.bzr-builddeb .bzr-builddeb/default.conf): Add .bzr-builddeb directory with defaults for merge package so one can drop the -m option for bzr-builddeb
[19:42] <apachelogger> *daft punk is playing my house*
[19:46] <apachelogger> jussi01: get a wiki page started
[19:50] <jussi01> apachelogger: for arora?
[19:53] <apachelogger> aye
[20:19] <lex79> apachelogger: have you time for two uploads in main? kipi-plugins and digikam
[20:24] <lex79> or ScottK or Riddell :) launchpad bug 401231
[20:24] <lex79> launchpad bug 395481
[20:47] <JontheEchidna> lex79: going to do gtk2-engines-qtcurve too?
[20:47] <lex79> JontheEchidna: yes
[20:47] <JontheEchidna> k, I noticed you skipped it the last few times so I was just asking :)
[20:48] <lex79> JontheEchidna: yes, upstream is too fast eheh
[20:49] <ScottK> apachelogger: I saw split the akonadi thing and make it vanish.
[20:49] <ScottK> (from default install)
[20:52] <apachelogger> ScottK: mergedaway maybe?
[21:01] <lex79> launchpad bug 401471
[21:05] <JontheEchidna> lex79: or you could push it to bzr and get it sponsored from there
[21:06] <lex79> ok I push it to bzr
[21:06] <JontheEchidna> as long as it's in bzr I'm happy :)
[21:07] <lex79> :)
[21:08] <ScottK> apachelogger: I saw/I'd say
[21:09]  * ScottK can't type.
[21:09] <lex79> JontheEchidna: can you ack this? launchpad bug 401479
[21:09] <lex79> thanks
[21:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: ok, I'll split ASAP
[21:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: btw, if you get a chance, please take a look at yokadi in NEW
[21:11] <ScottK> OK.  Probably not until late tonight or tomorrow.
[21:12] <apachelogger> good enough for me, I am working the next 3 days, so don't expect much from me ;-)
[21:12] <apachelogger> that said, I should go to bed
[21:12] <apachelogger> cyas
[22:13] <JontheEchidna> So I am thinking that it's about time to retire gtk-qt-engine from the archives
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> It has never ever worked properly and we have the stuff that does work (GTK config) in other packages
[22:16] <JontheEchidna> we are nearing the 2nd anniversary of its last upload too
[22:48] <dtchen> JontheEchidna: +1. it certainly confuses people attempting to match look-n'-feel who install anything referenced from googled blog entries