[00:00] tahirh- if you don't trust the user not to break anything, you shouldn't give them privileges to break anything [00:00] tahirh: user hardly need full root-access, so limit it to your needs [00:01] tahirh: "man sudoers" gives you good examples how [00:01] to do it [00:01] but they need root access just to install programs? [00:01] very difficult ... [00:02] tahirh: users don't have to install programs outside $HOME [00:02] tahirh- sudo has pretty fine-grained control, so you can limit what commands any given user can run [00:02] how? [00:02] tahirh: "man sudoers" gives you good examples how [00:03] how do they install programs inside $HOME with say aptitude? [00:03] tahirh: they cannot and they don't have to [00:06] llutz: please elaborate - you said they could install programs inside $HOME? [00:06] tahirh: not-systemwide-programs [00:07] how can they install say "Google Earth" inside $HOME [00:07] download that crap from google, run installer, ready [00:08] tahirh: or: ask administrator to install it systemwide [00:09] so they can install programs as a normal user but not system wide. I thought the prog always asked for a passwd to install. [00:09] apt does, because it installs the programs system-wide [00:10] so as long as they download it to $HOME, they can install it in $HOME? [00:10] There may be a way to install packages to $HOME, but I'm not certain. Google probably knows, though [00:10] without the need for a passwd. So they just need to find a website to download the prog from then run ./ and make ... [00:11] tahirh: lots of stuff comes as tar.gz/.run/.sh and can be installed locally. [00:11] And it would probably be a pain to keep updated [00:11] I think asking an admin to install it for them would be best. That way it will stay updated with the rest of the system [00:11] llutz: I will let them know. local as in their desktop where they have rwx permissions? [00:12] i have admin rights but I am new to linux! [00:14] Are you administering desktops for users? [00:14] yes [00:14] Are you getting paid for it? [00:14] but i am new [00:14] yes [00:15] Then I'd say it would be best to have users ask you to install programs for them, that way you can keep track of what they're installing [00:16] Dragnslcr: okay, a hassle though wish they could have sudo rights but too dangerous [00:16] Yeah, but look at this way. If they accidentally sudo rm the whole disk, you're the one that has to fix it [00:17] hello i need help, there is a error than is pissing me off at the moment of turning off the pc: just at the moment off shuting off, kubuntu goes to black screen and presents this: Unable to itirate IDE devices [00:17] i have to moe the mouse a little so it can shut down, but is annoying, because u cant let the laptop to auto turn off, can someone help me pls [00:17] move* [00:17] You could limit what they can run with sudo, e.g. only allow KPackageKit, but I don't know if I would trust "average" users that much [00:17] or sudo rm -r * the whole filesystem on the whole mounted network! [00:20] ... [00:24] hi all [00:24] hi [00:25] can someone help me with some video playing issues? [00:28] yamishi: ask... [00:30] Hello, is this a help channel for kubuntu? [00:31] Xcelon: yes, whatelse ? [00:31] ah, good there is life here [00:31] i have a question concerning a recent install of kubuntu [00:32] i ran the live cd on my laptop and everything seemed to work fine, but after doing the complete install my wireless fails to see any wireless networks [00:33] im not sure if it detected or installed my wireless card properly, or if there is some other problem [00:34] where can i see a list of installed hardware? [00:34] # iwconfig [00:35] #lspci [00:35] where is that? more info please, im new to linux [00:35] pafnow: a week ago i was able to play avi videos but since my little sister uninstalled some things on my computer i cant play any video [00:36] Xcelon: you have to type this in a terminal [00:36] ok thanks, ill try it [00:36] yamishi: what software do u use ? [00:36] pafnow: u mean player? [00:36] ye [00:36] s [00:37] pafnow: i've tried kplayer, dragon player and kaffeine [00:37] yamishi: try vlc [00:38] yamishi: u will need no codec [00:38] Pafnow: oh that one too and it just plays the sound [00:38] wow, where is terminal hidden at? [00:38] in kubuntu its the program named konsole [00:39] alt+f2 [00:39] konsole [00:39] enter [00:39] yamishi: strange behaviour... [00:39] ok ty [00:39] yamishi: have u tried smplayer ? [00:39] pafnow: no [00:40] yamishi: maybe it could work [00:40] pafnow:i'll try [00:40] yamishi: i use it, it's the same spirit as vlc [00:40] but with more functionnalities [00:41] pafnow: ok i'm installing it now [00:42] ok, iwconfig says wlan0 access point not associated, 0 link quality and signal level [00:42] ok [00:42] so your card is detected [00:43] cool, so it is something else? [00:43] yes [00:44] how do u proceed for the list ? [00:44] you want all the info? [00:45] IEEE 802.11bg ESSID:"" [00:45] no [00:45] u use kde4 ? [00:46] i downloaded the latest version of kubuntu from the website, so whatever ver of KDE that is [00:47] ok [00:47] the fourth [00:47] i just noticed that under the lspci t shows my wireless card [00:47] so u have in the task bar an applet to connect to the networks (wifi or eth) [00:47] do u see it ? [00:47] it shows my wireless card [00:48] yes [00:48] pafnow: it said that the version i installed is obsolete and won't work well and didn't even played the audio [00:48] i see the wlan interface tab but it says unavailable [00:48] yamishi: my god! [00:49] what a mess [00:49] ! [00:49] lol [00:49] Xcelon: maybe u have desactivated the wiif [00:49] with a switch on your computer [00:49] pafnow: i hate my lil sister =_= [00:50] or via a small button in the previous panel [00:50] um i tried the key combo for activating the wireless but there is no diff [00:51] i have to go [00:51] there is a way to configure an hidden network [00:51] if u know the ssid of yours maybe it is a solution [00:51] good luck [00:51] ++ [00:51] like i said it worked fine with the live cd [00:52] thanks for the help anyways [00:53] im gonna try to reboot and see what that does [00:54] how many of you people are afk anyways? lol [00:55] i think that there are just 3 people that are not AFK [00:55] haha, thats crazy [00:56] they are all bots or something [00:57] how hard would it be to compile a new version of the intel driver? [00:57] seems crazy to me that the live cd handled my wlan just fine but the full install wont [00:58] no idea, sounds complicated to me :) [00:59] impossible complicated or hit your head against the keyboard a few times complicated? [00:59] 'cause I'm already at the latter stage :-( [00:59] actually, I'm thinking about upgrading to karmic in a few days when alpha3 comes out [00:59] they have newer versions there [01:00] lol [01:00] i may have to go back to pclinuxos, it seemed to be more user friendly === stephen is now known as Guest59327 === Guest59327 is now known as VisCount [01:11] Anyone available for some Kubuntu help? === ayyash_ is now known as hereAndThere [01:12] hello all [01:12] how do i go to the support channel for ubuntu ? [01:13] well if i remmeber irc [01:13] id say /join #ubuntu [01:13] neat :) [01:13] and how do i know what channels are there to join ? if i might be a n00b for a bit longer [01:14] weeeeell [01:14] typing /join #ubuntu will put u IN the ubuntu channel [01:14] But fo related channels id imagine theyd have some sort of noticr when u get there [01:14] This is just me guessing based on past experience, though. [01:14] So give it a try and have a looky [01:15] VisCount, in the server text box you do /list ubuntu to see what related chats with that name are on the server [01:16] there ya go HaT [01:17] err hereAndThere :) [01:21] neat :D thanks alot they seem busy over there :) [01:29] I just installed Kubuntu Jaunty on a machine with two monitors...it's using both but it's displaying the same thing on both screens. I went to the Display control panel and it shows both screens, but they're stacked on top of each other. How can I get the system to use the monitors independently (one large desktop spanning both screens)? [01:29] if it makes any difference, this is with an ATI card that only has one actual output plug, and some kind of splitter cable connected to it that the monitors actually connect to [01:30] Alumin_: good lucky with that. Get a real video card, and I'm not trying to insult you. [01:31] !info xandr [01:31] Package xandr does not exist in jaunty [01:31] darthanubis: I know, it's cool...trust me, if it'd been up to me, there'd be NVIDIA hardware in this box...it's a work machine [01:32] !info xrandr [01:32] Package xrandr does not exist in jaunty [01:33] Alumin_: if it had been Nvidia you probably would not have needed any help:) [01:33] what do you guys use to mount a iso file? [01:34] afeijo: a right-click [01:35] darthanubis: nope, my previous box with a GeForce worked OOTB [01:35] darthanubis: hehe, well mine isnt working, some problem with my Archieve Mounter, what is that prog name to me try reinstall thru apt-get ? [01:35] afeijo: mount -o loop -t iso9660 file.iso /mnt/point === dharman_away is now known as dharman [01:35] afeijo: have you installed ubuntu/kubuntu restricted packages? [01:35] darthanubis: the strange part is, it sees and can address both screens [01:35] yes [01:36] like, if I set the "desktop rotation" on one of the screens, I can rotate them independently [01:36] because you should be able to just click the iso and it will mount automagically [01:36] and I can configure the refresh rates independently, although that's a bit of a non-issue since they're identical hehe [01:36] Alumin_: sweet, that command worked :) [01:37] also...the graphical representation of the screens, I can see the text "DVI-0" _below" the "DVI-1" [01:37] afeijo: yeah, that's the "by hand" way...it's a lot nicer to use the auto-mounting features, but in a pinch that'll work [01:37] don't forget to umount it once you're done, HAL won't because it won't find it in its list since it didn't mount it === amit is now known as Guest66124 [01:38] Alumin_: peruse the monitor applciation, in systemsettings [01:38] unmounted [01:38] "monitor" is different from "display"? [01:38] thanks, I'll take another look [01:38] how to upgrade without formatting [01:40] Guest66124: update-manager === Guest66124 is now known as amit_ [01:40] its not working [02:02] hi everybody :P [02:02] why apt-get install vbox 2.1.4 and not the last 3.0.2 ? [02:02] write [02:02] type [02:02] sudo apt-get ypdate [02:03] update* [02:03] then try again [02:03] mine is updated, but I will try :) [02:03] u never know [02:03] !latest [02:03] Packages in Ubuntu may not be the latest. Ubuntu aims for stability, "latest" may not be a good idea. Post-release updates are only considered if they are: fixes for security vulnerabilities, high impact bug fixes, or unintrusive bug fixes with substantial benefit. See also !backports. [02:03] try it [02:03] 3.0.x is not in the repos. [02:03] when ff3.5 will be available? [02:04] now [02:04] !ff35 [02:04] Firefox 3.5 Final is available for Jaunty by installing the package firefox-3.5 | FF3.5 is referred to as Shiretoko on your UI, see http://is.gd/1reB3 for an explanation | Hardy & Intrepid: http://is.gd/1jkNY [02:04] oh :D [02:04] I have to remove the version 3 ? [02:04] guys tell me a good computer movie [02:04] panos4ever: matrix :p [02:04] lol [02:05] panos4ever: that one with Angelina Jolie, not a good movie but she made it worthy [02:05] it was good [02:05] hackers [02:05] !ot [02:05] #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks! [02:05] anyway [02:05] sorry Pici [02:07] Hi everyone. I just installed Kubuntu 9.04 64 bit. I was just wondering, are there any 64 bit web browsers for Kubuntu besides Konqueror? Is there a 32 bit compatability mode, like in (sorry) Windoze? [02:07] yes u can try opera [02:07] or firefox [02:07] I tried firefox, but it wouldn't work. I'll check Opera [02:09] backtrack 4 is based on debian right? [02:10] the upcoming [02:10] Also, when I try to use Kpackagekit to search for available software packages, nothing comes up for any of my searches. [02:10] Is there a reason for this? [02:10] I checked all my repositories already [02:11] check the sources [02:11] shiretoko ?? [02:11] we are so many here and only a few answer lol [02:13] panos4ever: do you need a hug?? LOL [02:13] lol [02:13] !ot [02:13] #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks! [02:13] HAHAHA [02:14] afeijo how long have u been using linux?a week? [02:14] panos4ever: years [02:14] u dont seem [02:14] really? why? [02:15] panos4ever: or it is because my bad engly? :) [02:15] !ot [02:17] Umm.. I'm working with some files I downloaded to make a big plain text dictionary. I got a bunch of them like american-words.10, .20, etc.. [02:17] I tried this: [02:18] im@Jim-Kubuntu:/media/EDrive/Dict/final$ cp amer* dict [02:18] and kubuntu comes back with: [02:18] cp: target `dict' is not a directory [02:18] ??? How does kubuntu know it's a dictionry I'm working with, and why does it care? [02:19] how do you know the model of the gfx card ? [02:19] in windows it's easy, debug, dump c000:0 [02:19] but i'm on ubuntu [02:19] :s [02:20] yeah, not sure how to look at raw bios in kubuntu === BlinkyToon is now known as Don_Miguel === ayyash is now known as hereAndThere === ayyash is now known as hereAndThere [03:00] Wondering if someone can help me. I have a Dell Inspiron 1525 laptop, and I just installed the newest kubuntu. My problem is that I have no sound at all [03:00] !sound [03:00] If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3 [03:02] I see nothing called "sound system" under system settings [03:02] I see nothing called "sound system" under system settings [03:02] err :/ [03:03] try Multimedia [03:04] nope [03:04] Serpardum: try a hexeditor [03:05] Rhetorik: open Kmix and make sure that things are not muted [03:05] Already did, mute is off on everything [03:06] and everything is maxed [03:07] OK What sound card do you have ? [03:09] It says Intel Corporation 82801H HD Audio Controller [03:10] ICH8 family [03:14] DaskreeCH: I wasn't the one who needed that information, but thanks for the suggestion [03:15] Serpardum: Ah ok re reading convo [03:15] hereAndThere: try sudo lshw -C Video [03:16] Apparently kubuntu has a problem with this specific audio device? [03:16] Rhetorik: Perhaps [03:17] lame [03:19] indeed but lets attack the problem can you run speaker-test -Dplug:surround51 -c6 -l1 -twav [03:22] I did [03:22] got a bunch of stuff [03:24] all gibberish to me pretty much [03:28] is it possible to configure KPackageKit to use a local mirror instead of one of the predefined ones? [03:38] The sound doesn't work properly with current Linux distributions. You will need to manually install the latest development ALSA modules (at least version 1.0.16rc2) for full sound support. [03:38] from linlap.com [03:39] Ok, how would I go about doing that [03:39] Sorry if I sound like an idiot but this is kinda annoying === linuxwizard_ is now known as linuxwizard === stephen is now known as happy [04:03] can someone help me? I am using the latest version of kubuntu and can not figure out how to use my mp3 player. [04:03] it has in the past always looked like a usb flash drive, but my computer does not see it [04:13] !karmic [04:13] Karmic Koala is the codename for Ubuntu 9.10, due October 2009 - Karmic WILL break - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1 [04:27] Hello. [04:27] I'm thinking about installing Windows again, can anyone describe to me the basic process of doing this? [04:28] Arv3n: put a Windows disc in and restart your computer. There will be on screen prompts for you to follow [04:28] if you're trying to dual-boot, though, the only way I know to do it is to install windows, then linux, since the windows install tends to get rid of any other operating systems [04:29] Exactly. [04:29] I am trying to dual boot. [04:29] im trying to stay as "legal" as possible in this Kubuntu install. [04:29] Arv3n: do you hav emore than one partion/disk? [04:29] only one partition. [04:30] well, two.. i went with the default "Erase everything" [04:30] well, then you can only install 1 os unless you go with a virtual machine [04:30] how big is your disk? [04:30] well i only need it for a game [04:30] 500gb [04:30] try wine [04:30] and this game works in virtualbox [04:30] wine runs some games well [04:30] wine doesn't work, im trying to run maplestory [04:30] ahh [04:30] it has hackshield now [04:31] won't hackshield work with virtualbox? [04:31] but.. it works in virtualbox until 5-6 minutes after running it gives me a hacking execution tool detected [04:31] hmm... [04:31] maplestory runs very fast in virtualbox [04:31] better than vmware, but the problem with vmware is i have to get workstation which is $100+ i think [04:31] have you tried the latest version of virtualbox [04:31] Yes. [04:31] 3.0.2 [04:31] 3.0.2beta I believe [04:31] no i thought it was stable [04:31] is it now? [04:31] but that doesn't matter, yes that's what I'm running. [04:32] i just installed it today, whatever the latest is. :> [04:32] I don't know if I'd isntall windows for just 1 game. I run a few windows games . [04:32] i dont want to [04:32] I run kubuntu in virutalbox [04:32] but im addicted to ms.. since beta [04:33] Rhetorik: Hi Got help? [04:33] well, 50gb should be enough to install windows and maplestory, no? [04:33] 500gb. [04:34] Arv3n: As Legal as possible ? [04:34] yes, which is your total [04:34] you said 50gb >: | [04:34] I'm thinking you coudl make a smaller partition just to isntall windows to, 50gb [04:34] DaskreeCH, yeah.. i bought my codecs this time :) [04:34] $25. [04:34] I'm not sure how much windows and maplestory take up [04:34] no illegal software, music, videos, etc on this computer [04:34] Serpardum, I was running everything on a 20gb virtualbox partition [04:34] plenty of space left [04:34] okay, so make a 20gb partition for windows [04:35] Arv3n: congrats [04:35] but if im gonna install xp i might as well install ALL my games on it, rite. [04:35] uc wut i did thar [04:35] Rhetorik: Sorry for the delay. Ask for help in #alsa they have a pretty good knowldege of soudcard issues [04:35] hey. how would i make kubuntu able to go in fullscreen running it as a guest os in Virtualbox? [04:35] Unless somebody knows of a good rpg/mmorpg that runs in wine, crossover, or natively [04:36] just something to keep me busy. [04:36] really the only reason i play maplestory. [04:36] Arv3n: #gametome And happypenguin.org [04:36] There are quite a few [04:36] Thx. [04:36] Host OS is Ubuntu 9.04 [04:36] Stendethal and The mana world are two [04:37] HowardTheDuck: ComandKey+F [04:39] yeah it's still a small box with a low rez [04:40] looking for the option in KDE that will let me change resolution atm [04:41] damn 800x600 max? no wonder. had this same problem in KDE running my slackware virtualbox [04:42] When I instaleld Windows that was the max res as well [04:42] ask in #vbox [04:43] thanks === Byron_ is now known as Byron [04:57] is there a gui yet for linking activities with workspaces in kde 4.3? [04:59] nevermind.found it [05:00] hello guys [05:00] Hey [05:01] I am trying to install GNU Blow It http://sourceforge.net/projects/gbi/ [05:02] when I run ./configure [05:02] I get this error: [05:02] checking for intltool >= 0.35.0... awk: cannot open ./intltool-update.in (No such file or directory) awk: cannot open ./intltool-update.in (No such file or directory) found ./configure: line 7926: test: : integer expression expected configure: error: Your intltool is too old. You need intltool 0.35.0 or later. [05:02] Hm [05:03] Mebbe check the repositories for the app you want, or check for your intltool and update it [05:03] !info intltool [05:03] intltool (source: intltool): Utility scripts for internationalizing XML. In component main, is optional. Version 0.40.6-1 (jaunty), package size 60 kB, installed size 236 kB [05:03] Yeah [05:03] ubottu knows best [05:03] Sorry, I don't know anything about knows best [05:04] and when I run sudo apt-get install intltool [05:04] ap@console:~/gbigui-0.1$ sudo apt-get install intltool Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done intltool is already the newest version. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 115 not upgraded. ap@console:~/gbigui-0.1$ [05:04] so modest ubottu is [05:04] Weird. [05:04] shut up avihay [05:04] hi MushroomKingdom [05:04] Uh, usually theres a readme file that comes with source code, I'd check that. Never had to compile any code [05:04] Hey!! Dask [05:05] I got it fixed [05:05] \o/ [05:05] joey__: Be nice [05:05] it was an error with allowances. I moved my entire folder over to another folder, logged in and moved my main stuff back and reconfigured my desktop [05:06] ok that 's ok [05:06] achtung! === stephen is now known as Guest64363 [05:06] apparle: have you run apt-get update lately? [05:06] yes [05:06] 2min ago [05:06] Umm how do i get a .bin file running on this? [05:06] sorry, then :-) [05:07] Download a x64 java for my kubuntu [05:07] And im not sure how to apply it =P [05:07] DaskreeCH : Something in my .kde folder screwed up [05:07] apparle: I assume there is a file called intltool-update.in in the directory ? [05:07] MushroomKingdom: Yeah so it seems [05:07] gents? [05:08] Guest64363: It should have a readme that will tell you [05:08] Well its just a .bin file [05:08] its one thing only [05:08] try: intltoolize --version [05:08] DaskreeCH: in which directory [05:08] Guest64363: On the site you got it from [05:08] apparle: which ever directory you are in when you get that error [05:09] avihay: intltoolize (GNU intltool) 0.40.6 [05:10] Does anyone know how I can change my screen resolution from the console. After I shut down ioquake3, my screen resolution changed, and I can't change it back using the gui tool. [05:10] Seems like its telling me to do something 32-bitters would do [05:10] for my 64-bit issue [05:10] so the config script is wrong? [05:10] DaskreeCH: no there is not such file [05:11] um.. [05:11] Anyone can answer this [05:11]