[01:21] <m3ga> problem : local machine running gnome, i can  start stuff from the menus, but if i start something from a terminal window i get 'No protocol specified, unable to open display ":0.0"'. wtf?
[01:22] <BUGabundo> m3ga: 1st person to mention it :)
[01:23] <m3ga> mention what?
[01:23] <m3ga> is this a known bug?
[01:24] <BUGabundo> nope
[01:24] <BUGabundo> you are the 1st to mention it
[01:34] <m3ga> hmm, newish gdm thing. "cp /var/run/gdm/auth-for-erikd-XXXXX/database .Xauthority" fixed it.
[01:43] <yofel> gn folks [mv yofel /dev/bed]
[01:44] <BUGabundo> bye
[01:56]  * BUGabundo stolen from @yofel: gn folks [mv /dev/awake /dev/bed]
[04:14] <pushrax> Waht to say that there is bug in correct install.  If you move a symbolic link folder to the wastebin it will delete thefolder contents of the original folder, not remove the symbolic link only.
[04:14] <pushrax> wanted to say....
[04:15] <pushrax> can someone report this bug to appropriate area!
[04:16] <pushrax> Wanted to say that there is bug in current install.  If you move a symbolic link folder say on the desktop and send it to the wastebin, it will delete the folder contents of the original folder, not remove the symbolic link only.
[04:45] <kholerabbi> pushrax: I cannot reproduce this. What Ubuntu version are you using? 9.04 Jaunty Jackalope or maybe 9.10 Karmic Koala?
[04:49] <kholerabbi> pushrax: If this is a bug in the file manager you can report it here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+filebug
[05:02] <DanaG> damned dosfsck.
[05:02] <DanaG>   File size is 1499 bytes, cluster chain length is 0 bytes.
[05:02] <DanaG>   Truncating file to 0 bytes.
[05:02] <DanaG> file was /EFI/ubuntu/grub.cfg
[05:02] <DanaG> Lovely, thanks for going and deleting that for me!
[05:02] <DanaG> =þ
[05:04] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and when UEFI-booting, for some reason, the kernel fails to comprehend UUIDs.
[05:13] <DanaG> Oh, and how do I check what keycodes udev has applied?
[05:13] <DanaG> It's no longer taken care of by HAL, so hal-device doesn't help anymore.
[05:31] <DanaG> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD#Animations%20and%20durations
[05:32] <DanaG> Hmm, if it's supposed to show up for around, oh, 1 second... then why are my manual notifications taking TEN seconds to go away?
[05:34] <DanaG> Oh, and nm-applet icon seems not to scale.... and same with padevchooser.
[05:47] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/56807
[05:47] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/45435
[05:47] <DanaG> er
[05:47] <DanaG> odd... I'm getting that bug NOW,.
[05:50] <syn-ack> Good evening
[05:51] <syn-ack> How's it going Dana
[05:51] <DanaG> Doing well enough, though EFI-booting isn't working as well as it used to.
[05:51] <syn-ack> whats going on?
[05:51] <DanaG> When I EFI-boot the kernel, it fails to comprehend UUIDs, and fails to comprehend that ext4 is not ext2 or ext3.
[05:51] <syn-ack> hrm, wow
[05:51] <pushrax> Wanted to say that there is bug in current install of kubuntu 9.10.  If you remove a symbolic link folder say on the desktop and send it to the wastebin, it will delete the folder contents of the original folder, not simply remove the symbolic link.
[05:52] <syn-ack> I dont have EFI on this machine, so I wish I could assist you on that, DanaG
[05:52] <pushrax> do I report KDE bugs at KDE or launchpad?
[05:52] <syn-ack> launchpad
[05:52] <pushrax> syn-ack: ok thanks
[05:52] <DanaG> Oh, and most of what I find about EFI is about Apple... but I don't have Apple.  =þ
[05:53] <syn-ack> it'll work the same way, AFAIK. DanaG
[05:53] <syn-ack> EFI is EFI all thats different in theory is the interface.. again AFAIK
[05:55] <DanaG> Though mine is UEFI 2.0.  HP EliteBook laptop.
[05:55] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and I also have no /dev/.initramfs
[05:55] <DanaG> ... do you have a /dev/.initramfs?
[05:56] <syn-ack> Yes
[05:57] <DanaG> http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2006/08/msg00857.html
[05:57] <DanaG> ah, maybe my udev is broken.
[05:58] <syn-ack> meskes@meskes-laptop:~$ ls /dev/.initramfs
[05:58] <syn-ack> usplash_fifo  usplash_outfifo  varrun
[05:58] <syn-ack> ;)
[05:58] <DanaG> odd.. I don't have a /dev/.initramfs.
[05:58] <DanaG> Lemme try seeing if update-initrd worked.
[05:58] <DanaG> Gotta' reboot.
[06:09] <DanaG> [    0.432585] Trying to unpack rootfs image as initramfs...
[06:09] <DanaG> [    0.432991] rootfs image is not initramfs (junk in compressed archive); looks like an initrd
[06:10] <DanaG> [    3.201549] RAMDISK: Couldn't find valid RAM disk image starting at 0.
[06:10] <Tekno> morning
[06:11] <DanaG> what's up with that?  It refuses to load my initrd.
[06:14] <syn-ack> DanaG, to me, it looks like it may have been built with a bad toolchain or that that your menu.lst maybe misconfigured
[06:14] <syn-ack> DanaG, have you tired rebuilding that kernel against your toolchain to see if it keeps it up?
[06:15] <DanaG> Hmm, the oddity is, it works perfectly fine when booted via CSM.
[06:15] <DanaG> That is, the legacy BIOS-mode.
[06:15] <syn-ack> what are you using to boot with? elilo or GRUB*?
[06:16] <DanaG> Grub2.
[06:17] <DanaG> Sucks that the grub-efi and grub-pc packages conflict.
[06:17] <DanaG> And the grub-efi packages don't even put grub.efi in the right place.
[06:17] <syn-ack> Hrm, it could just be GRUB2 because it is still really unstable
[06:20] <syn-ack> DanaG, Even I wont touch GRUB2 and I have really flaky system?
[06:20] <syn-ack> rather .
[06:20] <DanaG> I still have legacy grub in my MBR, and in each of two partitions.
[06:20] <DanaG> There's no savedefault in grub2.  That's a showstopper for me.
[06:39] <Shambler4u> I'm still having some problems with the current sound implementation on my Asus EEE PC 1000HE and Karmic
[06:43] <DanaG> Actually, I think my EFI thingy is a kernel issue... booting Jaunty via the exact same grub.efi works fine.
[07:10] <ripps> after some libc updates, my computer seems to be running much better. Not quite so many kernel oops today
[07:11] <Shambler4u> I've yet to have any kernel oops, but I've had lots of problems with sound control
[07:12] <ripps> Shambler4u: it looks like there doing some major changes to the sound system... be patient and file bugs as necessary
[07:15] <Shambler4u> ripps: Yeah, I've been doing that. Sometimes I wonder if I just don't have something configured correctly
[07:18] <tanath> anyone know why my scroll wheel might suddenly stop working? (even after reboot)
[07:26] <tanath> i now have two volume icons: one on panel & one in tray. they're different.
[07:31] <tanath> my thumb buttons still work, though my scroll wheel doesn't...
[07:36] <Shambler4u> tanath: I've just filed a bug report on that
[07:37] <Shambler4u> tanath: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/401294 maybe you could contribute here?
[07:37] <tanath> hm, my kb shortcuts do work
[07:38] <tanath> though the one in the tray doesn't seem to realize it at the moment :P
[07:38] <Shambler4u> mine do too, but it's controlling a different device than it should, and I can't make it change it's mind about that
[07:39] <DanaG> I hate the current mixer_applet2.
[07:39] <DanaG> Horizontal == stupid.
[07:40] <Shambler4u> DanaG: mixer_applet2 shows up on my system in the tray and is vertical
[07:40] <tanath> hrm, audacious is messed up now
[07:40] <DanaG> That's the OTHER one.
[07:40] <Shambler4u> Volume Applet 2.27.3?
[07:40] <DanaG> yeah, mine's horizontal.
[07:41] <Shambler4u> oh - that one's been horizontal for a long time for me
[07:41] <Shambler4u> that's been there since Jaunty I thought?
[07:41] <syn-ack> One is Pulse and the other ALSA
[07:42] <syn-ack> The Vertical one is ALSA, the other Pulse
[07:42] <Shambler4u> syn-ack: they seem to be controlling each other on my system
[07:42] <tanath> ok, i can't confirm the audacious thing. works for me
[07:42] <tanath> also, i'm not using an eee pc
[07:42] <syn-ack> AFAIK, they SHOULD
[07:42] <tanath> anyone find the .31 kernels don't work?
[07:42] <syn-ack> Oh wiat
[07:42] <Shambler4u> my understanding was that they were separate?
[07:43] <tanath> fortunately i still have the .28 kernels
[07:43] <syn-ack> Shambler4u, you know what..,.. this is the PULSE mixer
[07:43] <syn-ack> hrm
[07:43] <tanath> which one?
[07:43] <tanath> the tray one?
[07:43] <syn-ack> Both
[07:43] <syn-ack> hrm
[07:43] <tanath> o.O i'm using alsa
[07:43] <syn-ack> Of course you are
[07:43] <syn-ack> We all are.
[07:43] <DanaG> oh yeah, and one applet seems to have a DIFFERENT volume range than my keyboard keys.
[07:44] <syn-ack> tanath, Pulse isnt kernel layer like ALSA
[07:44] <SeveredCross> That's probably Ear Candy.
[07:44] <tanath> mm
[07:44] <DanaG> I tried Ear Candy once.
[07:44] <SeveredCross> DanaG: Probably a combination of the ear-candy applet and Pulse's flat volumes.
[07:44] <DanaG> Gave up on it when it blasted me.
[07:44] <SeveredCross> I turned flat volumes off, it was pissing me off.
[07:44] <DanaG> And when it kept moving streams AWAY from my bluetooth headset.
[07:44] <syn-ack> Hrm
[07:45] <tanath> if i use my kb to change volume, it works, and the applet behaves accordingly, but the tray one doesn't notice the change in vol. still says 100%
[07:45] <DanaG> Flat volumes is goddamn awfully confusing.
[07:45] <syn-ack> I wonder why it doesnt kill the other mixer like it should be doing. Thats an annoying bug
[07:45] <DanaG> And when you add earcandy... it just cranks everything up to 100%.
[07:45] <DanaG> Frankly, that's a health risk!
[07:45] <syn-ack> DanaG, Relax. :p
[07:45] <SeveredCross> tanath: The tray one is probably reflecting the Pulse mixer.
[07:46]  * DanaG GETS BLASTED BY 100% VOLUME.
[07:46] <DanaG> hah.
[07:46] <DanaG> that's all the yelling I'll do now,
[07:46] <tanath> also, i don't think i like the new Sound Prefs
[07:46] <tanath> which it links to
[07:46] <syn-ack> SeveredCross, Both of the Tray mixers this re this bug is PULSE
[07:46] <DanaG> Yeah, how do you set which thingy the volume hotkeys control?
[07:46] <tanath> doesn't let you choose output thingy, for one
[07:46] <syn-ack> One is just the new sound profile
[07:47] <syn-ack> tanath, Do you have more than one output source?
[07:47] <tanath> woah, suddenly my scroll wheel is working again
[07:47] <DanaG> I see... now my hotkeys are the virtualized volume.
[07:47] <tanath> syn-ack, in jaunty i had several things to choose from (and i seem to have a couple output devices, though they all seem to be the same device
[07:47] <tanath> pulse, alsa, esd, oss...
[07:47] <DanaG> And the virtualized one is inaudible below 50%.
[07:47] <syn-ack> No no
[07:48] <tanath> and multiple ICH devices
[07:48] <DanaG> well, not inaudible, but pretty close.
[07:48] <syn-ack> Thats what I was getting at... hrm
[07:48] <tanath> but all seemed to go to my speakers
[07:48] <syn-ack> You know guys, Im going to sum this up to one damned annoying bug thtat I cant trace for the moment
[07:48] <DanaG> It puts master at ZERO when at 50%!
[07:49] <tanath> why would my scroll wheel randomly stop working, even across a reboot, and then randomly start working again?
[07:49] <syn-ack> Reason I cannot trace is because its midnight and I've been up since 7 am
[07:50] <tanath> syn-ack, heh, get some sleep. sleep deprivation is bad for you
[07:50] <syn-ack> meh
[07:50] <syn-ack> tanath, in my prior line of work before coming back to IT I never slept
[07:50] <tanath> my scroll wheel started working slowly too... like the events were getting eaten
[07:50] <DanaG> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=333438
[07:50] <tanath> and only some were getting through
[07:51] <tanath> so i started playing with it more, and it's now working
[07:51] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/332081
[07:51] <tanath> syn-ack, that's not good. they keep finding out that sleep deprivation is worse than they thought
[07:51] <tanath> DanaG, had that prob too a few times
[07:52] <DanaG> It even makes my MUTE LED light up, rather annoyingly.
[07:52] <DanaG> Or rather, switch from blue to orange.
[07:52] <syn-ack> tanath, hehehehe
[07:53] <tanath> oh, i had some serious graphical glitches for the past several days that i managed to fix. i had ancient left-overs from fglrx that were messing things up
[07:53] <tanath> though swiftfox still seems to have graphical glitches of the same type :-/
[07:53] <syn-ack> tanath, Thats ok, my Wifi button doesnt change from orange to white and never has
[07:54] <syn-ack> it does infact, switch the wifi on and off so I dont care if it doesnt match what "its supposed to Do" in that respect
[07:54] <tanath> heh
[07:54] <tanath> papercuts, man. papercuts. :P
[07:54] <syn-ack> Ok
[07:55]  * tanath shakes fist :P
[07:55] <syn-ack> See, When I first started working with Ubuntu WAAAAAAY back in the day we didnt have these papercuts.... WTF are they exactly?
[07:55] <robin0800> syn-ack, what wi fi card?
[07:55] <syn-ack> robin0800, Ath 5001
[07:56] <syn-ack> robin0800, imo, its merely aesthetic so I'm not concerned
[07:57] <tanath> papercuts: https://edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts
[07:58] <robin0800> syn-ack, tried googling for led light on your card worked for me ipw2200 just needed led=1 option
[07:58] <tanath> little annoyances that turn people off ubuntu/linux
[07:59] <syn-ack> tanath, I've used linux for over a decade, this aint anything
[07:59] <tanath> anyone know what swiftfox might be using/doing that would cause graphical glitches?
[07:59] <tanath> syn-ack, it's nothing to you :P
[07:59] <DanaG> oh yeah, iwlagn blinking is another godawful annoying thing.
[07:59] <syn-ack> robin0800, wtf does it need that?
[07:59] <syn-ack> robin0800, interfaces?
[08:00] <SeveredCross> iwlagn blinking is just replicating the standard Windows behavior.
[08:00] <DanaG> Not for my cadr.
[08:00] <DanaG> card.
[08:00] <DanaG> Mine in Windows does NOT blink.
[08:00] <SeveredCross> Weird, it is for mine.
[08:00] <DanaG> It's vendor-specific.
[08:00] <DanaG> Look in the Intel INF some time.
[08:00] <DanaG> HP has it not blink.
[08:00] <SeveredCross> Weird.
[08:00] <SeveredCross> I've got Dell.
[08:01] <syn-ack> DUDE!
[08:01] <syn-ack> I dont. :P
[08:01]  * syn-ack vomits when he thinks of Dell
[08:01] <syn-ack> <- HP Fanboi. :P
[08:01]  * DanaG really likes his EliteBook.  Badass.
[08:01] <tanath> what's the prob with dell?
[08:02] <syn-ack> tanath, ...Its a Dell. :P
[08:02] <robin0800> syn-ack, needed to have led light work
[08:02] <syn-ack> That and they bought Alienware. :D
[08:02] <tanath> who bought alienware?
[08:02] <SeveredCross> Dell.
[08:02] <syn-ack> Dell
[08:02] <tanath> right... that's a prob?
[08:02] <syn-ack> Years ago
[08:02] <SeveredCross> I got a Dell because it was...cheap.
[08:02] <syn-ack> tanath, For alienware
[08:02] <DanaG> http://www.quatraine3.com/tribalwar/SwSetup/WLAN2/NETw4v32.INF
[08:02] <DanaG> example of INF.
[08:02] <tanath> alienware made good stuff
[08:03] <syn-ack> MADE is the operative
[08:03] <DanaG> HKR,,LedMode,0x10001,0x1
[08:03] <syn-ack> meh
[08:03] <syn-ack> like I said, details. :P
[08:04] <DanaG> http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4631
[08:04] <DanaG> here's what I have.
[08:04] <DanaG> Though I have P8600 instead of T9400, and Mobility FireGL V5700 instead of whatever the nvidia was -- by choice, in fact.
[08:05] <syn-ack> I have an HP Pavillion
[08:05] <syn-ack> os[Linux 2.6.31-3-generic i686] distro[Ubuntu "karmic" 9.10] cpu[2 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual  CPU  T3200  @ 2.00GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 2.00GHz] mem[Physical: 1.9GB, 83.3% free] disk[Total: 146.6GB, 92.2% free] video[Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA Intel]
[08:06] <DanaG> Linux EliteBook 2.6.31-3-generic #19-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jul 14 16:07:02 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[08:06] <syn-ack> Though its straight Intel. :D
[08:06] <syn-ack> DanaG, though I can do 64 bit, I figured I would shake down the 32 bit release
[08:07] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and my hostname is... EliteBook.
[08:07] <DanaG> I couldn't think of anything cooler.
[08:07] <syn-ack> Mine is Neptune
[08:07] <Shambler4u> I had to replace the wireless card on this Asus EEE PC 1000HE because it wouldn't work with Ubuntu
[08:08] <syn-ack> Jupiter is my stable desktop Saturn is my AD server, Solare is my Gateway etc
[08:08] <syn-ack> Shambler4u, which card was it?
[08:08] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I had an old Gateway 17" laptop.  Boy, did the construction quality on that thing suck.
[08:08] <DanaG> Lid cracked right down the middle.
[08:08] <DanaG> LCD itself failed some time later.
[08:09] <syn-ack> heh
[08:09] <DanaG> I eventually removed the LCD and lid, so I could at least use it with an external monitor.
[08:10] <syn-ack> Ive got a buddy that had a Gateway and had to have have or did it himself replaced the LCD 3 times
[08:10] <DanaG> Removal of LVDS attachment also revealed lots of bugs in things.
[08:10] <syn-ack> I know he knows your pain
[08:10] <Shambler4u> syn-ack: it was an AzureWave model # AR5B91-X
[08:10] <syn-ack> Shambler4u, I have never heard of that in my whole entire life
[08:10] <Shambler4u> haha
[08:10] <syn-ack> apparently neither has anyone else
[08:11] <Shambler4u> syn-ack: this is the card: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&item=280358418608
[08:11] <Shambler4u> it was trying to run on the Atheros drivers, if I'm not mistaken
[08:11] <syn-ack> Shambler4u, which one?
[08:11] <Shambler4u> it would just go several minutes where it would drop packets like crazy
[08:11] <syn-ack> as in madwifi, etc?
[08:12] <Shambler4u> madwifi
[08:12] <syn-ack> hrm
[08:12] <syn-ack> thats like that "works with everthing" driver though it doesnt
[08:12] <Shambler4u> dropped packets to the point where it was un-usable
[08:12] <syn-ack> I know for a fact it doesnt work with mine
[08:12] <syn-ack> suck. :/
[08:13] <Shambler4u> it would work for awhile, but then I'd have periods where I'd have 100% packet loss.
[08:13] <syn-ack> wow
[08:14] <syn-ack> Ok, Ubuntuone is kinda irritating
[08:14] <syn-ack> Thought I would just mention that out loud
[08:15] <Shambler4u> syn-ack: Ubuntuone doesn't even work at all on my machine
[08:15] <syn-ack> and #ubuntuone couldnt help you out at all?
[08:16] <Shambler4u> I was curious one day after noticing something new in the menu, and I clicked it, and it just crashed. Then I couldn't file a bug report because there were updates or something.
[08:16] <Shambler4u> I haven't pursued it yet (although I should). I honestly don't even know what it is
[08:17] <syn-ack> Shambler4u, www.ubuntuone.com
[08:17] <syn-ack> I suggest you go there and check it out
[08:18] <Shambler4u> thanks
[08:19] <Shambler4u> ohhh! It's like Dropbox
[08:21] <syn-ack> yep. ;)
[08:26] <Shambler4u> yeah - when run UbuntuOne, nothing at all happens
[08:27] <syn-ack> Shambler4u, you have to send in for an invite for an account
[08:27] <syn-ack> read the site. ;)
[08:29] <Shambler4u> yessir. Though the site won't let me log in. Man, things are trouble for me today
[08:30] <Shambler4u> therefore, I'm going to go off to bed. syn-ack, May I suggest the same for you, too? ;)
[08:31] <syn-ack> heheh
[08:31] <syn-ack> g'night
[08:31] <Shambler4u> night
[09:42] <yofel> good morning folks
[09:42] <x1250> j #gnome-sheel
[09:42] <x1250> hi
[09:43] <robin0800> x1250 did you mean /j #gnome-sheel
[09:44] <x1250> robin0800, sort of, gnome-shell, so two errors in one line :)
[09:51] <Gumby> hi all.  Ive just installed 9.10 and then installed XP.  I am now trying to reinstall grub as my bootloader.  Are there any grub2 howtos on there to reinstall grub from the livecd?
[09:52] <|ns|nR8> yep
[09:52] <Hobbsee> hm, i only know of a grub1 one, and i'm not sure how similar it is
[09:53] <|ns|nR8> i found one using google in couple minutes
[09:53] <|ns|nR8> other day
[09:53] <Gumby> yeah, Ive done a regular grub rescue before. searching google for a grub2 one now
[09:54] <|ns|nR8> google ubuntu fix grub2 after install
[09:54] <|ns|nR8> first result
[09:54] <gnomefreak> look at wiki.ubuntu.com/grub2    as i recall that is address
[09:55] <Gumby> lol.  I was searching through results of grub2 rescue
[09:55] <gnomefreak> should have installed XP first it makes life easier
[09:55] <|ns|nR8> its not that hard with grub2..just a command
[09:56] <Gumby> its not too much of a worry right now.  'll figure it out eventually ;)
[09:56] <|ns|nR8> if it dont detect the windows partition tho its a little trickier..you have to make a couple sctips
[09:56] <|ns|nR8> to add windows to grub2 loads
[09:56] <|ns|nR8> i like the older grub better
[09:59] <Gumby> looks like its quite similar to the old process for fixing grub
[09:59] <Gumby> mounting root, then dev, then chroot
[09:59] <Gumby> http://www.ubuntu-inside.me/2009/06/howto-recover-grub2-after-windows.html
[09:59] <|ns|nR8> you have no menu.lst tho
[09:59] <|ns|nR8> and you cant edit the main file
[09:59] <Gumby> no, but its the same process
[10:00] <|ns|nR8> o
[10:00] <Gumby> and if its the mbr that is overwritten, you really shouldnt need to edit the menu.lst/grub.cfg
[10:00] <|ns|nR8> if it dont detect your windows partition you have to worry abut it
[10:00] <|ns|nR8> thats what happened to me
[10:01] <Gumby> you can worry about it after you get back into ubuntu
[10:01] <|ns|nR8> yep
[10:01] <Gumby> which I'm about to do.  see ya in a few
[10:01] <|ns|nR8> k
[10:07] <Gumby> and.... we're back :)
[10:07] <|ns|nR8> howd ya go
[10:07] <|ns|nR8> did it see windows ?
[10:18] <dupondje> damn, purging sysklogd is brojen :(
[10:18] <dupondje> broken*
[10:19] <gnomefreak> dupondje: it was replaced
[10:19] <dupondje> gnomefreak: I know, I want to purge the old now, but its broken :(
[10:20] <gnomefreak> dupondje: define broken
[10:21] <dupondje> userdel: gebruiker 'syslog' is momenteel niet aangemeld
[10:21] <dupondje> /usr/sbin/deluser: `/usr/sbin/userdel syslog' gaf foutcode 8. Stoppen.
[10:21] <dupondje> dpkg: fout bij afhandelen van sysklogd (--purge):
[10:21] <gnomefreak> ok english by chance?
[10:21] <dupondje> what do I need to put in front again :) to have english output :P
[10:23] <gnomefreak> i didnt know you could other than transate it. can yuou give me an idea on what the 2 last lines say. also did you remove it yet?
[10:23] <dupondje> userdel: user syslog is currently logged in
[10:23] <dupondje> /usr/sbin/deluser: `/usr/sbin/userdel syslog' returned error code 8. Exiting.
[10:23] <dupondje> dpkg: error processing sysklogd (--purge):
[10:23] <dupondje>  subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 1
[10:24] <gnomefreak> dupondje: did you try killing it in ps aux? to see if it is still running try ps aux | grep syslog
[10:25] <dupondje> I see the error now :P
[10:25] <dupondje> huge translation error imo :s
[10:26] <dupondje> its purged now :)
[10:27] <dupondje> jl@laptopjl:~$ sudo /usr/sbin/userdel syslog
[10:27] <dupondje> userdel: gebruiker 'syslog' is momenteel niet aangemeld
[10:27] <dupondje> jl@laptopjl:~$ LANG=en sudo /usr/sbin/userdel syslog
[10:27] <dupondje> userdel: user syslog is currently logged in
[10:27] <dupondje> the dutch says: userdel: user 'syslog' is currently NOT logged in
[10:27] <dupondje> while the english version says it IS logged in !
[10:28] <gnomefreak> dupondje: if you installed the new pakcage (forgot name) than it should stop it from running at least mine did
[10:29] <dupondje> killed syslog procs, and it got purged :)
[10:29] <gnomefreak> dupondje: restart would have done that too :)
[10:32] <dupondje> a translation bug in shadow :)
[10:32] <dupondje> who should I address ;)
[10:32] <gnomefreak> dupondje: file a bug on it
[10:33] <gnomefreak> leave the package name blank someone will place it where it needs to be
[10:34] <dupondje> its in the shadow package :p
[10:34] <dupondje> #, c-format
[10:34] <dupondje> msgid "%s: user %s is currently logged in\n"
[10:34] <dupondje> msgstr "%s: gebruiker %s is momenteel niet aangemeld\n"
[10:35] <gnomefreak> dupondje: shadow is not the name of the package
[10:35] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Development:~$ show shadow
[10:35] <gnomefreak> W: Unable to locate package shadow
[10:35] <gnomefreak> E: No packages found
[10:35] <geser> bug 401056
[10:36] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shadow/+bug/401330
[10:36] <dupondje> translation error ;)
[10:36] <dupondje> gnomefreak: is passwd
[10:36] <dupondje> but shadow on launchpad
[10:37] <geser> passwd is the binary package and shadow the source package
[10:42] <yofel> dupondje: for english terminal output use 'export LANG=en_US.UTF-8' (for future reference ;))
[10:43] <dupondje> thx yofel  ;)
[10:43] <yofel> using LANG=C would be easier, but then you have no UTF-8
[11:16] <drazter2> hi, im currently on jaunty and i want to try out the new 9.10 koala release.. i have found something called a "daily build" can anyone tell me what is that?
[11:17] <tgpraveen1> drazter2: its the state of karmic which is updated daily
[11:17] <tgpraveen1> so its the latest version of karmic
[11:17] <tgpraveen1> right now if u can wait for alpha 3 which comes out in a few days
[11:17] <drazter2> so its different from Alpha2 ? and its updated every day?
[11:18] <drazter2> but i can update from alpha 2 to alpha 3 easily right?
[11:19] <tgpraveen1> well yes it is a more updated version than alpha 2
[11:19] <tgpraveen1> theoretically u can go from alpha 2 to 3
[11:19] <tgpraveen1> but in this particular case there have been many changes to gdm
[11:19] <tgpraveen1> and x etc
[11:19] <tgpraveen1> so it WILL
[11:19] <tgpraveen1> lead to many probs
[11:20] <gnomefreak> drazter2: you dont want to use daily builds if you can adviod it since they are done by a bot and not tested
[11:20] <tgpraveen1> so best advice is wait for alpha 3
[11:20] <gnomefreak> tgpraveen1: gdm bugs are mostly fixed
[11:20] <tgpraveen1> gnomefreak: is right
[11:20] <tgpraveen1> gnomefreak: yeah but if he installs alpha 2
[11:20] <tgpraveen1> then he updates
[11:20] <tgpraveen1> then he will be plagued by that one bug which was casusing a lot of probs
[11:21] <gnomefreak> i cant remember if it was a2 or a3 that first got those fixes
[11:21] <tgpraveen1> daily build would avoid it but as u said it is untested
[11:21] <tgpraveen1> it was fixed after a2 was released
[11:21] <tgpraveen1> a3 is yet to come
[11:21]  * gnomefreak still not sure how upstart is handled on upgrade atm
[11:21] <dupondje> gnomefreak: it works ;)
[11:21] <dupondje> here at least ;)
[11:21] <gnomefreak> use nightly installer to upgrade or to install
[11:22] <tgpraveen1> a3 is when people actually hope to have karmic stabilised especially in x,kernel etc areasx
[11:22] <drazter2> well
[11:22] <gnomefreak> dupondje: it is being held back i thought depends issues since it wants to remove a bunch of upstart related apps
[11:22] <drazter2> im having some trouble with jaunty, and seems there are some performance issues.. since my laptop is pretty powerful..
[11:22] <gnomefreak> drazter2: best to wait a bit longer
[11:23] <dupondje> nop gnomefreak, it just works :)
[11:23] <dupondje> the only thing I really miss in karmic is fast-user-switch-apllet :P
[11:23] <tgpraveen1> drazter2: intel graphics issues?
[11:23] <tgpraveen1> if so then enabling backports or something is supposed to fix it
[11:24] <drazter2> dunno, seems like its eating a lot of CPU and RAM for nothing
[11:24] <gnomefreak> dupondje: http://paste.ubuntu.com/221832/
[11:24] <tgpraveen1> best to enable backports and google for the solution there were many blog posts on how to fix it
[11:24] <gnomefreak> dupondje: see if you have the remove packages
[11:25] <drazter2> having also some sound problems witch causes.. the whole computer to freeze
[11:25] <tgpraveen1> drazter2: enable backports and update system and see if it goes away. and remember right now karmic is very unstable and it will most probabal
[11:25] <tgpraveen1> give u more probs than jaunty
[11:26] <gnomefreak> upgrading to an unstable release is not something you do to fix a stable release bug
[11:26] <drazter2> no no.. i wont upgrade
[11:26] <drazter2> i will instal a fresh copy
[11:26] <dupondje> gnomefreak: don't have them
[11:26] <dupondje> but u don't need them ?
[11:27] <gnomefreak> dupondje: ok thanks
[11:27] <dupondje> btw, nautilus broken hard ? :x
[11:29] <drazter2> still.. il give it a try, will install it on anohter partition and i hope i can upgrate to alpha 3 if something goes wrong
[11:29] <drazter2> however jaunty will remain
[11:29] <drazter2> that way no harm can be done .. only little time for download / install
[11:29] <dupondje> how can I debug nautlius ?
[11:30] <dupondje> I can't open 'Computer' / 'Network'
[11:30] <dupondje> it just crashes
[11:30] <yofel> dupondje: you using U1 ?
[11:30] <dupondje> U1 ?
[11:30] <yofel> ubuntuone
[11:30] <gnomefreak> dupondje: alot of people have seen that and IIRC there is a bug on it already
[11:30] <yofel> there is, let me get it out
[11:30] <gnomefreak> ah yeah thats it. if you use the nightlies it goes away
[11:31] <yofel> dupondje: bug 395710
[11:31] <dupondje> UbuntuOne got installed automaticly :) don't even know what it does :p
[11:33] <dupondje> hmz
[11:33] <dupondje> Fix released ?
[11:33] <dupondje> but its not in repo's ?
[11:34] <yofel> dupondje: ubuntu one can't be installed automatically because it's a ppa
[11:35] <yofel> ah, my fault, there is a version in the repos
[11:35] <yofel> the not-fixed one...
[11:36] <yofel> dupondje: if you don't use ubuntu one you should be able to just remove it
[11:36] <yofel> that should fix the crash as well
[11:37] <dupondje> ok :)
[11:39] <dupondje> its working again :) great :Dµ$
[11:45] <nikolam> hi. packages.ubuntu.com still not working..
[12:46] <BUGabundo> need a bug confirmation
[12:46] <BUGabundo> open nautilus
[12:46] <BUGabundo> choose a dir
[12:46] <BUGabundo> change the view to list mode
[12:46] <BUGabundo> press F5
[12:47] <BUGabundo> does this work?
[12:54] <robin0800> BUGabundo, Yes but it should not its ctrl 1 2 or 3
[12:55] <BUGabundo> robin0800: ctrl??
[12:56] <BUGabundo> I simply want to refresh the folder
[12:56] <BUGabundo> also If I leave and return its reset
[12:56] <BUGabundo> its a bug afaics
[12:56] <yofel> BUGabundo: resets to symbol view here
[12:57] <BUGabundo> yofel: symbol? thumb you mean
[12:57] <robin0800> BUGabundo, Yes its a bug like alt F2 I guess
[12:57] <BUGabundo> robin0800: what altf2 bug?
[12:57] <BUGabundo> works for me
[12:58] <yofel> here alt+f2 doesn't do anything as well
[12:58] <BUGabundo> wfm
[12:58] <BUGabundo> :)
[12:59] <robin0800> BUGabundo, not working here last couple of days having to use gksu in terminel
[12:59] <BUGabundo> strange
[13:00] <dupondje> samba & gvfs still seems a bit broken :(
[13:06] <popey> BUGabundo: Nautilus crashes for me when i switch to list view
[13:06] <BUGabundo> eheh popey
[13:06] <popey> but not always
[13:06] <BUGabundo> luckly not here
[13:06] <popey> refresh switches back to icon view
[13:06] <BUGabundo> I'll file a bug on the view change on LP and upstream in a minute
[13:06] <BUGabundo> popey: yep
[13:06] <BUGabundo> that's my bug
[13:06] <popey> then triggers a crash in ubuntuone
[13:07] <BUGabundo> just a sec will do it now
[13:07] <BUGabundo> ahhh I haven't started my U1
[13:07] <BUGabundo> darn
[13:07] <BUGabundo> then that could be the cause and not Nautilus bug
[13:07] <popey> yes
[13:07] <BUGabundo> let me start it, and see if I get a trace
[13:07] <popey> its known to be causing some nautilus issues at the moment
[13:08] <yofel> hehe, forgot to start mine as well
[13:08] <yofel> but it doesn't crash here, just resets the view
[13:08] <BUGabundo> "You should now automatically return  to https://ubuntuone.com."
[13:08] <BUGabundo> lol
[13:09] <yofel> popey: what's your u1 version?
[13:09] <BUGabundo> no crash her
[13:09] <BUGabundo> *here
[13:09] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 0.90.4+r88-0ubuntu1~ppa1~karmic
[13:09] <popey> ii  ubuntuone-client                     0.90.3-0ubuntu1                      Ubuntu One client
[13:09] <BUGabundo> from #U1: Current Beta Client Revno is 88, Protocol Revno is 52 | Release 0.90.4
[13:10] <BUGabundo> popey: you need to upgrade :)
[13:10] <popey> nah, i dont use u1
[13:10] <BUGabundo> heheh
[13:10] <popey> and you're using the ppa
[13:10] <BUGabundo> then purge it :)
[13:10] <popey> I dont use ppa's on karmic
[13:10] <yofel> popey: then your crash is probably bug 395710
[13:10] <BUGabundo> right now it is on the archive!
[13:10] <BUGabundo> forgot about that
[13:11] <BUGabundo>  *** 0.90.4+r88-0ubuntu1~ppa1~karmic 0        500 http://ppa.launchpad.net karmic/main Packages
[13:11] <yofel> popey: the remove it, should remove the crash as well ;)
[13:11] <BUGabundo>      0.90.3-0ubuntu1 0        500 http://darkstar.ist.utl.pt karmic/main Packages
[13:11] <yofel> *then
[13:11] <BUGabundo> how can I change my MIC selection ??
[13:11] <BUGabundo> I used to be able to do that on my Volume Controls
[13:12] <BUGabundo> but now the new one doesn't allow me
[13:12] <BUGabundo> nor I see where to do it on PAVU
[13:15] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/401367
[13:15] <BUGabundo> filed
[13:15] <BUGabundo> upstresming now
[13:20] <BUGabundo> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=589024
[13:20] <BUGabundo> and upstream now
[13:20] <BUGabundo> yofel: popey robin0800 ^^^^^^^
[13:21] <robin0800> BUGabundo, is alt f2 classed as a bug?
[13:22] <yofel> BUGabundo: confirmed it
[13:22] <BUGabundo> lunch bbl
[13:25] <yofel> me too
[13:51] <pygi> hey folks
[13:51] <pygi> do you have any idea why notifications wouldn't work?
[13:51] <pygi> I tried with "notify-send "New eMail arrived" -i notification-message-email" as well, and its a no go
[13:52] <BluesKaj> Hello folks
[13:56] <BUGabundo> hey BluesKaj
[13:56] <BUGabundo> brb. taking my dog for a walj
[13:56] <BUGabundo> *walk
[14:18] <yofel> re
[14:19] <yofel> pygi: is notify-osd really running? 'ps -e | grep notify-osd'
[14:49] <BluesKaj> yofel, no updates today on the servers ?
[14:51] <penguin42> anyone else had nautilus being very touchy - segs in glib ?
[14:51] <yofel> BluesKaj: doesn't seem like it
[14:52] <yofel> penguin42: got ubuntuone installed ?
[14:52] <penguin42> yes, and the seg is coming from that
[14:52] <yofel> penguin42: uninstall it if you don't use it, the crash is fixed, but not yet in the repos version
[14:52] <BluesKaj> hmm yofel , interesting ...maybe the devs are catching up to the problems :)
[14:53] <penguin42> yofel: OK, thanks  - wtf is Ubuntu One?
[14:53] <yofel> BluesKaj: more like preparing for alpha3 :P
[14:53] <yofel> penguin42: https://ubuntuone.com/
[14:54] <BluesKaj> yofel, when is that scheduled ?
[14:54] <yofel> BluesKaj: July 23rd - in 4 days ;)
[14:54] <penguin42> yofel: Ah, like Me or whatever Apple calls it....
[14:54] <BluesKaj> ok thanks, yofel
[14:55] <yofel> BluesKaj: next time just look at the release schedule in the topic :P
[14:56] <penguin42> currently it's better than it was - still has a few flakinesses; I've had one boot where Network manager didn't start, and last night it wouldn't let me hibernate - and it still has the sound glitching that came in Jaunty (or was it Intrepid?)
[14:56] <yofel> and what idiot added 'ubuntuone-client-gnome' to ubuntu-desktop when the repos version is broken???
[15:04] <Hobbsee> yofel: one of the guys (or girls) that has root on your system.
[15:04] <Hobbsee> so, beware of calling them idiots
[15:04] <BluesKaj> I prefer to shut everything off at night before hitting the sack , so im wondering if anyone else has encountered shutdown problems ?
[15:04] <Hobbsee> BluesKaj: it doesn't.  sudo halt ftw.
[15:05] <yofel> Hobbsee: sry
[15:05] <Hobbsee> BluesKaj: i assume you mean the one where quit re-logs you into your session?
[15:05]  * Hobbsee tosses ubuntuone off her box, while she remembers
[15:06] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Last night the only options selectable in the dialog were hibernate and suspend - I couldn't select shutdown; and hibernate didn't hibernate; I ended up doing a shutdown -h now from command line
[15:06] <BluesKaj> Hobbsee , no the normal shut down options dialog doesn't pop up.
[15:07] <BluesKaj> Hobbsee, I exited from the TTY
[15:08] <Hobbsee> ah
[15:09] <penguin42> The other minor oddity I have since the last update is that an old build of Rhythmbox I've got is mis-showing the icon on the panel - it has a black edge around it almost like it was ignoring the mask
[15:11] <BluesKaj> penguin42, but your shutdown options dialog did show up, I didn't get any :P
[15:11] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Yeh from the system->Shutdown menu option
[15:11]  * Ng wonders if there's a smarter way to install karmic to a USB stick than downloading a CD, burning it and running a normal install
[15:12] <BluesKaj> different probs show up differently depending on your upgrades I guess
[15:12] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I guess so - I wish there was a way to even some of it out so an upgraded machine was closer to a fresh install - except of course the bits you don't want to be :-)
[15:14] <Hobbsee> Ng: yeah, there's a tool?
[15:14] <BluesKaj> well penguin42 , thank goodness for small mercies as the saying goes...at least now palsma seems to holding up , no crashes for 2 days here :)
[15:14] <Hobbsee> Ng: system, admin, usb creator?
[15:14] <Ng> Hobbsee: ohh, I wondered what that was. good point, ta :)
[15:14] <Ng> oh
[15:14] <penguin42> BluesKaj: plasma is KDE?
[15:14] <Hobbsee> Ng: heh :)
[15:14] <Ng> except I am doing this to get a different arch :(
[15:15] <Hobbsee> Ng: then you're on your own, methinks.
[15:15] <Hobbsee> Ng: live cd, a vm with the correct arch, and use the same tool?
[15:15]  * penguin42 should try KDE again, I haven't on the karmic world
[15:15] <Hobbsee> Ng: or even sans vm,if that works bette - i think it's on the livecd
[15:15]  * yofel thought the arch had nothing to do with usb-creator o.O
[15:17] <yofel> cool, now gnome-do is using 190% cpu o.O
[15:17] <BluesKaj> yeah penguin42 , I'm running kde 4.3
[15:18] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Ah, I'm on Gnome - so it sounds like there is something screwed in whatever the common bit is
[15:19] <CosmiChaos> what?
[15:20] <BluesKaj> penguin42, I ran gnome a couple of yrs back , is it still brown and orange ? :)
[15:20] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Hey I've got a tasteful background
[15:20] <yofel> BluesKaj: by default yes, but you don't use the kde default theme either, or do you?
[15:21] <BluesKaj> <--- old windows guy ...used to the blue stuff
[15:21] <yofel> heh, my gnome theme is blue as well :P
[15:21] <yofel> but looks much better than windows XD
[15:22]  * penguin42 just has the default theme but selected one of the other wallpapers - nothing exciting there
[15:23] <BluesKaj> yofel no, i'm using a glassified oxygen sand&green theme
[15:25] <yofel> penguin42: nodoka with darkroom border in blue and oxygen icons ;) http://imagebin.ca/view/Juvf69I.html
[15:25] <penguin42> nice
[15:28] <BluesKaj> mine http://imagebin.ca/view/mvZmMsM.html
[15:29] <penguin42> mine is boring, I won't bother
[15:29] <BluesKaj> gotta luv imagebin
[15:30] <BluesKaj> aww c'mon penguin42 , share with us , mine is pretty mundane
[15:30] <penguin42> ok, ok
[15:31]  * penguin42 uploads
[15:32] <penguin42> http://www.treblig.org/pics/Screenshot.png
[15:32] <penguin42> it may look a little odd - since it's dual head, vertically stacked (or at least as far as X is concerned)
[15:36] <BUGabundo> Hobbsee: ehhehhe
[15:37] <BUGabundo> yofel: yeah I got that crazy DO too
[15:37] <BUGabundo> PPA version fixed it fro me
[15:37] <penguin42> DO seems OK for me
[15:37] <soc> hi, i'm experiencing problems with dpkg update ...
[15:37] <soc> i didn't find any buf for it on launchpad
[15:37] <soc> pastebin.com/m2454e4be
[15:38] <soc> http://www.pastebin.com/m2454e4be
[15:38] <yofel> do is ok here too after I killed and restarted it
[15:38] <soc> this is the problem i'm having ...
[15:38] <penguin42> soc: You got plenty of free disc space?
[15:41] <soc> penguin42: not plenty ...
[15:42] <soc> a bit more than 1gb i guess ...
[15:42] <soc> for /, for /home i got dozens of free spac e
[15:42] <penguin42> should be enough - hmm
[15:43] <penguin42> soc: You could try deleting the dpkg file in /var/cache/apt/archives and try redownloading
[15:47] <BUGabundo> how come I haven't got a single update today?!?!
[15:47] <BUGabundo> we aren't on free, yet, are we?
[15:48] <BUGabundo> !3 only comes out the next thurdays
[15:48] <penguin42> I did an apt-get update and there were a handful more there
[15:48] <penguin42> libc and something else
[15:48] <soc> penguin42: i tried that already :-(
[15:49] <penguin42> hmm, tried dpkg -i on the file in there to try and install it by hand?
[15:49] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, I was wondering the same thing earlier , not even one , I had 20 "gets" but no updates
[15:49] <BUGabundo> penguin42: what's up
[15:49] <BUGabundo> ?
[15:50] <penguin42> not much - mostly OK
[15:51] <BUGabundo> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=589024#c2
[15:51] <BUGabundo> yofel: can you coment on that ?
[15:51] <Hobbsee> BUGabundo: people probably had a weekend off?
[15:51] <Hobbsee> BUGabundo: and thee have been a few updates - just obviously not to what you've installed
[15:52] <BUGabundo> Hobbsee: and since this is a fresh install
[15:52] <BUGabundo> I only have 14k package in the DB
[15:53] <Hobbsee> that would do it
[15:56] <yofel> BUGabundo: done
[15:57] <soc> does anyone have an idea?
[15:59] <Hobbsee> soc: pastebin's expired.
[15:59] <jpds> I have ideas.... but they probably won't help you.
[15:59] <jpds> And what Hobbsee said.
[16:01] <soc> penguin42: http://pastebin.com/m45727443 here is it again ...
[16:52] <kernco> I'm trying to remove ubuntu-desktop, after installing kubuntu-desktop
[16:52] <kernco> sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop only remove that one package, and sudo apt-get autoremove after that doesn't do anything
[16:53] <kernco> And if I do apt-cache depends ubuntu-desktop and remove all those packages, some are ones kubuntu-desktop depends on too, so it cascades and basically wants to remove my entire system
[16:56] <BluesKaj> kernco, do you still have the gnome option at login ?
[16:57] <BluesKaj> kernco, check this : http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[16:57] <kernco> BluesKaj, I haven't logged out yet, but I'm almost positive I do.  It hasn't remove anything from my system other than the ubuntu-desktop metapackage
[16:59] <kernco> BluesKaj, that's for 9.04, so there's probably going to be some packages added in 9.10 that will still be around.  I guess it's a start, though
[17:03] <BUGabundo> kenyon: try aptitude
[17:04] <BluesKaj> kernco, if the pkges are missing , the tutorial states that the settings are retained. It's just a matter of reinstalling the apps
[17:04] <BUGabundo> I've seen it trying to remove all non necessary depencies
[17:04] <BUGabundo> or try compuer janitor
[17:05] <arand> BUGabundo: btw does c-janitor klear out old kernels?
[17:05] <BUGabundo> yes
[17:05] <kernco> I tried aptitude already
[17:05] <BUGabundo> or it did at same point
[17:05] <BUGabundo> kernco: same thing?
[17:05] <BUGabundo> well apt is meant to install.. not clean the system
[17:06] <BUGabundo> or you can try orphan something
[17:06] <kernco> Yeah, ithe problem is apt just removes packages that were automatically installed to meet dependencies.
[17:07] <kernco> So if you do install kubuntu-desktop on top of a system that started as ubuntu, then you can just remove kubuntu-desktop and it will remove everything.
[17:07] <BUGabundo> gtkorphan
[17:07] <BUGabundo> but you don't want GTK eheh
[17:07] <kernco> But since all the ubuntu packages were already installed from the start, it doesn't work.
[17:08] <kernco> I think what I'm going to do is get the output of 'apt-cache depends ubuntu-desktop' and 'apt-cache depends kubuntu-desktop' and then remove only the packages that appear in ubuntu-desktop
[17:09] <BUGabundo> kernco: try gtkorphan 1st
[17:12] <kernco> BUGabundo: That only found about 10 orphaned packages
[17:12] <BUGabundo> run it again !?
[17:12] <BUGabundo> its like CJ
[17:13] <BUGabundo> needs several runs!
[17:13] <kernco> I did
[17:13] <BUGabundo> also start removing packages and that will increase
[17:13] <penguin42> CJ is a bit over enthusiastic sometimes - e.g. packages you've installed by dpkg -i it often tries to remove
[17:14] <BUGabundo> penguin42: true
[17:14] <BUGabundo> but YOU have to be sure what you want to remove
[17:15] <penguin42> nod
[17:16] <penguin42> still, it is convenient as you say - especially for removing old kernels
[17:17] <BUGabundo> I usually remove them by hand on synaptic
[17:17] <BUGabundo> while installing new ones
[17:17] <BUGabundo> but anyone running devel versions knows that
[17:18] <BUGabundo> we gather a bunch of them
[17:18] <penguin42> nod
[17:23] <kernco> I think I got most of them
[17:53] <drazter> hi, the koala seems to have major graphic driver problem, after i installed recommended drivers and restarted it it freezed as a black and green screen with shattered pixels and 4-5 ubuntu logos
[17:53] <drazter> i have a ATI graphics card
[17:53] <drazter> any ideas?
[17:53] <rski> ati :)
[17:53] <drazter> :D
[17:54] <BUGabundo> drazter: try the drivers in the PPA
[17:55] <drazter> ATI Radeon HD 3200 :) on x64 koala release on hp 6735s laptop
[17:57] <drazter> also .. drag and drop items doesnt work on taskbar
[17:57] <BUGabundo> did It ever?
[17:58] <drazter> dunno it worked on jaunty, and i just got the koala
[17:58] <drazter> also..  Places / Computer doesnt work.. (it worked ) but it broke down
[18:01] <yofel> drazter: places / computer: remove any package that has ubuntuone in it
[18:01] <BUGabundo> yofel: stop asking user to remove U1
[18:02] <BUGabundo> its meant to be part of Koala and Canonical strategy
[18:02] <BUGabundo> if it is broken it will be fixed
[18:02] <yofel> ok, will do
[18:02] <drazter> well im pretty impressed so far..
[18:02] <BUGabundo> at least mention the bug, and explain what's happening and that users should consider to add it back when fixed
[18:03] <drazter> even though its alpha.. its a lot faster..
[18:03] <drazter> loading ~20 sec .. :)
[18:03] <drazter> and flawless sound..
[18:03] <penguin42> yeh I think it's doing parallel initialisation of some devices and I think Gnome is a bit faster
[18:03] <penguin42> drazter: I wish I had the flawless sound
[18:04] <drazter> whats wrong with your sound?
[18:04] <penguin42> clicks and pops
[18:04] <drazter> ah
[18:04] <drazter> i fixed that
[18:04] <penguin42> how?
[18:04] <drazter> what player ?
[18:04] <drazter> are you using?
[18:05] <penguin42> rhythmbox
[18:05] <drazter> well
[18:05] <drazter> try vlc
[18:05] <drazter> sudo apt-get install vlc
[18:05]  * penguin42 is reasonably sure it's a generic pulse problem
[18:05] <penguin42> or pulse+kernel
[18:05] <drazter> no.. its the player
[18:05] <drazter> i got clicks and pops also
[18:05] <drazter> but i changed my players output
[18:06] <drazter> From ALSA to UNIX OSS audio output.. and after that it was awsome
[18:07] <penguin42> drazter: Ah well that's because by changing it to OSS you probably made it bypass pulse
[18:07] <penguin42> pulse intercepts alsa
[18:08] <BluesKaj> drazter, penguin42 , yeah I gave up on amarok and rhythmbox and xmms2 ...they all had problems , but so far so good with VLC
[18:08] <BUGabundo> 19 sec boot here WOOT
[18:08] <drazter> yeah
[18:08] <drazter> ~20 sec here
[18:09] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I'd bet it's a case of them going through pulse though
[18:09] <BUGabundo> penguin42: you need to try diff PA modes
[18:09] <drazter> dunno, but im listening some HQ  electronics @1000+ bitrate  ( Kraftwerk ) on my HQ AKG headphones .. and its flawless..
[18:09] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I've tried lots of them
[18:09] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I think pulse is just trying to be too ambitious with it's real time requirements to be honest
[18:09] <BUGabundo> penguin42: have you filed a bug and pinged dtchen on it?
[18:09] <BUGabundo> right now: true
[18:10] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Yep, he's been following it for a while
[18:10] <BUGabundo> ok
[18:10] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Have you any idea why we don't run with preemption in the kernel?
[18:10] <BUGabundo> then its way above my role :)
[18:10] <Twigathy> Is that 19 seconds from BIOS or from grub?
[18:10] <BluesKaj> well penguin42 , I'm not sure about the pulse audio debate ,  thought it had to do with the alsa/pulse configuration , but I'm still confused about the culprit
[18:10] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Frustrating thing is it worked solid a few versions ago and then it broke
[18:11] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: from bootchart :)
[18:11] <BUGabundo> let me get it
[18:11] <Twigathy> oh
[18:11] <Twigathy> I don't know if I can use bootchart or not. Silly setup fail. c_c
[18:11] <Twigathy> What does it require? /boot with some space on it?
[18:13] <drazter> hmm folders settings aren't being remembered?
[18:13] <drazter> :D
[18:14] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Linux/bootchart/karmic/blubug-karmic-20090718-2.png.php
[18:14] <BUGabundo> drazter: just filed that bug
[18:14] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: sudo apt-get install bootchart-java OR pybootchart
[18:14] <BUGabundo> and some disk space on /var/log/bootchart
[18:15] <Twigathy> ok
[18:15] <Twigathy> I'd be interested to see what mine does :)
[18:15] <Twigathy> In fact, I'll reboot to linux, install bootchart and reboot again. brb. :D
[18:15] <Twigathy> (Am in windowz playing games c_c)
[18:16] <drazter> Windows works better on ubuntu virtualboxed than originally installed :D:D:D:D
[18:16] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Linux/bootchart/karmic/blubug-karmic-20090718-1.png.php?z&p=full-image
[18:16] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: also AFTER try to profile your boot
[18:16]  * penguin42 is also getting momentary screen blanks - very odd
[18:17] <drazter> This is Linux land ! In silent nights you can hear Windows machines rebooting! :D:D
[18:17] <BUGabundo> drazter: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=589024
[18:18] <BUGabundo> penguin42: yeah I get that too
[18:18] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Have you got a bug for it?
[18:18] <BUGabundo> like screensaver kicks in after just a few secs
[18:18] <BUGabundo> penguin42: no
[18:18] <penguin42> is just finding I'm typing a way and it blanks - but not locking
[18:18] <BUGabundo> yep
[18:19] <yofel> BUGabundo: do you have something like gvfs-metadata? I don't
[18:19] <penguin42> are you on intel graphics or something else?
[18:20] <BUGabundo> nothing
[18:20] <BUGabundo> just replied to it
[18:20] <drazter> nope no gvfs-metadata here also..
[18:20] <BUGabundo> penguin42: nvidia
[18:20] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Hmph, not intel xserver then - any idea what to file it against?
[18:21]  * BUGabundo should begin to learn to use REPLY on bugzilla.gnome.org :(
[18:21] <BUGabundo> penguin42: GPM ?
[18:21] <penguin42> why GPM?
[18:21] <Twigathy> BUGabundo: well, it's installing bootchart now.... =)
[18:21] <Twigathy> update-initramfs takes forever c_c
[18:21] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: choose either java or python
[18:21] <Twigathy> yup, installed the -java package
[18:21] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: old versions had a few bugs with python
[18:21] <BUGabundo> should be fixed now
[18:22] <Twigathy> cool
[18:22] <BUGabundo> and bring much less cruft
[18:25] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Want to join me on bug 401441 then?
[18:25]  * penguin42 pats ubottu
[18:25] <BUGabundo> yep
[18:25] <BUGabundo> penguin42: ahaha
[18:26] <penguin42> aha?
[18:26]  * Twigathy should get rid of some of his old kernels... got a 2.6.27-something in there >_<
[18:26] <BUGabundo> penguin42: no package?
[18:26] <BUGabundo> come on! do you want it be left there to rote?
[18:26] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Which package do you reckon?
[18:26]  * BUGabundo slaps Twigathy for wasting space! it's a rare commodity !
[18:26] <penguin42> That's why I asked if you had it on Intel graphics, I can't even assign to xserver-intel which normally takes most of my abuse
[18:27] <BUGabundo> penguin42: either GPM or screensaver manager
[18:27] <Twigathy> on a 256MB /boot, yes, it is... >_<
[18:27] <Twigathy> ahha, finished... time to reboot to let it generate a logfile-thingy
[18:28] <penguin42> BUGabundo: OK, I've flipped it to gnome-screensaver; either they'll fess up to it or flame me crispy
[18:28] <BUGabundo> daqrn
[18:28] <BUGabundo> I was doingit too
[18:28] <BUGabundo> that's why LP blew
[18:28] <penguin42> Slllloooow
[18:28] <penguin42> :-)
[18:28] <Twigathy> woo
[18:29] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: how long?
[18:29] <Twigathy> er, some...
[18:29] <Twigathy> oh cool, it made the PNG itself...
[18:29] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: I meant time to boot!!
[18:29] <BUGabundo> yep
[18:29] <BUGabundo> post it NOW
[18:29] <BUGabundo> we want to see
[18:29] <Twigathy> two sec
[18:29] <BUGabundo> err
[18:29] <BUGabundo> 1
[18:30] <BUGabundo> 2
[18:30] <Twigathy> >_<
[18:30] <BUGabundo> its over
[18:30] <drazter> :D
[18:30]  * BUGabundo wonders if there is any stats bot for #ubuntu+1
[18:30] <Twigathy> www.twigathy.com/corona-karmic-20090719-1.png
[18:31] <andresmujica> bugabundo:  http://ubuntustats.dnsalias.net/
[18:31] <Twigathy> enjoy my hacky 0 disk utilisation for most of boot ;)
[18:31] <andresmujica> hmm.. not for ubuntu+1 thou :/
[18:31] <Twigathy> ipconfig takes 2.5 seconds? man. :/
[18:32] <BUGabundo> thanks andre
[18:32] <BUGabundo> thanks andresmujica
[18:32] <Twigathy> BUGabundo: my chart is there - time was 20secs :)
[18:32] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: try to profile it
[18:32] <Twigathy> how do I do that?
[18:32] <BUGabundo> on grub at boot (one time only)
[18:32] <BUGabundo> edit it, and add "profile" to the end of the kernel stanza
[18:33] <Twigathy> okay... what'll that do? Spit out another logfile or...?
[18:33] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: order files on boot. making it faster
[18:33] <Twigathy> ah, nifty...
[18:33] <BUGabundo> I've seen gains of 5 secs
[18:33] <Twigathy> I will reboot again. (and again after the profile, I guess). brb. :)
[18:33] <andresmujica> bugabundo: adding ubuntu+1
[18:34] <BUGabundo> oops andresmujica.
[18:34] <BUGabundo> I'm #1 there and don't even talk much there :\\\
[18:35] <BUGabundo> 6740 lines , 39508 words
[18:35] <BUGabundo> darn
[18:35] <BUGabundo> andresmujica: how do I get my pic there?!
[18:35] <andresmujica> :)
[18:35] <andresmujica> point me to the link and i'll add it
[18:36] <andresmujica> well if i can manage to  access the server...
[18:36] <Twigathy> BUGabundo: I assume when I appended 'profile' bootchart didn't run at all? Or do I need to tell it to run per-boot? :S
[18:37] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: not sure. I've seen versions of bootchart that skip on profile
[18:37] <BUGabundo> and some that work
[18:37] <BUGabundo> if it doesn't run, just reboot again
[18:37] <Twigathy> also: now that profile has been run, what did it change?
[18:37] <BUGabundo> order of files on disk
[18:37] <BluesKaj> takes over a minute from grub to wallpaper on my setup
[18:38] <BluesKaj> including login pw etc
[18:39] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: pics or it didn't happen :)
[18:39] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, ??
[18:39] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: get bootchart and then let me know, so we can hack it to mesure post login
[18:39] <BUGabundo> like I do
[18:39] <BluesKaj> post login ok
[18:40] <penguin42> is profile a kernelism or something else?
[18:40] <BluesKaj> which bootchart ?
[18:40] <BluesKaj> java or gui?
[18:41] <BluesKaj> python it is, not ajava fan
[18:42] <Twigathy> nope, still 20 seconds :)
[18:43] <BUGabundo> ohh
[18:43] <BUGabundo> ok now lets hack it a bit
[18:44] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: open $ gksu gedit /etc/rc5.d/S99stop-bootchart
[18:44] <BUGabundo> on line 41 add a sleep
[18:45] <BUGabundo> 	sleep 30;
[18:45] <BUGabundo> I have 30 but you can play with it
[18:45] <BUGabundo> I used to have 90 :))
[18:45] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: then reboot
[18:45] <BUGabundo> hey arpu
[18:45] <Twigathy> brb then :)
[18:46] <DanaG> Oh yeah, last time I did "profile", it actually made it take LONGER to boot!
[18:46] <DanaG> ... because it precached files it really didn't need to precache.
[18:47] <Twigathy> loo
[18:47] <Twigathy> l
[18:48] <Twigathy> BUGabundo: http://twigathy.com/corona-karmic-20090719-3.png
[18:49] <DanaG> loo?
[18:49] <DanaG> =þ
[18:49] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Heya
[18:49] <BUGabundo> DanaG: it takes longer on the 1st boot
[18:49] <DanaG> My latest  boot: http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/EliteBook-karmic-20090719-1.png
[18:49] <BUGabundo> then should be faster
[18:49] <DanaG> I mean, it actually made ALL boots take longer.
[18:49] <BUGabundo> DanaG: strange
[18:49] <DanaG> Increased the readahead-list time without reducing the other time.
[18:50] <BUGabundo> purge the ..... package
[18:50] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I am in contact with the kile developers for the infamous spell-checker bug and I need to tell them the right way to compile a package in ubuntu
[18:50] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I usually do
[18:50] <BUGabundo> and reisntall
[18:50] <penguin42> readahead-list is depressing
[18:50]  * penguin42 wonders how you tune what's in that
[18:50] <Le-Chuck_ITA> (sorry for multiline!)        apt-get source kile; apt-get build-dep kile; cd kile..... ; debian/rules binary
[18:50] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I am sure the latter is stupid
[18:52] <DanaG> Hmm, so how can I speed up my boot?
[18:52] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and I gave up on the UEFI booting -- the kernel refused to load the initramfs.
[18:52] <DanaG> And I got odd things like: /proc/cmdline: no such file or directory
[18:52] <BUGabundo> DanaG: love to see your boot hang for 3 secs
[18:52]  * penguin42 finds /etc/readahead I wonder how/what is supposed to maintain that
[18:53] <BUGabundo> DanaG: I reduced from 1:40 to 28 reinstaling
[18:53] <DanaG> why the heck is there an ipconfig started by udev?
[18:54] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: 18 secs boots now!
[18:54] <Twigathy> lol
[18:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BUGabundo: is this with or without login?
[18:54] <Twigathy> I don't think I could get mine down without taking out some services
[18:55] <Twigathy> (mpd + mpdscribble, nfs mounts ...)
[18:55] <Twigathy> mdadm seems to take a while too
[18:55] <DanaG> hmm, what can I do to speed up my boot?
[18:55] <BUGabundo> andresmujica: http://img.bugabundo.net/eyetumb64.png
[18:55] <DanaG> ... and what's with that 3-second delay?
[18:55] <BUGabundo> DanaG: no idea. but I've seen it on several boots
[18:56] <BUGabundo> Le-Chuck_ITA: depends on the hacked version you are looking at
[18:56]  * penguin42 wonders why readahead-list is done on it's own rather than in parallel with other stuff 
[18:57] <DanaG>  /var/lib/dpkg/info/rsyslog.postinst: line 70: local: can only be used in a function
[18:57] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BUGabundo: I mean the 18 secs
[18:57]  * Le-Chuck_ITA wonders why one should install postfix with devscripts...
[18:57] <penguin42> DanaG: I'd try disabling S01readahead and see what difference it actually made - now it might actually be slower or slower when it gets into teh desktop
[18:58] <syn-ack> Le-Chuck_ITA, You wonder quite a bit, dont ya? :P
[18:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> syn-ack: i do :)
[18:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> syn-ack: you can't imagine how many sub-wonderings about postfix I have in mind
[18:58] <syn-ack> How goes it this fine day, everyone?
[18:58]  * DanaG tries it...
[18:58] <syn-ack> Le-Chuck_ITA, Considering its Postfix, yes I can
[18:59] <syn-ack> I love Postfix but man it can be quite a b**CH to get running nicely
[19:00] <penguin42> most of the mta's are the same - with different bits being hard
[19:02] <Le-Chuck_ITA> syn-ack: but fundamentally, I don't absolutely need postfix on my laptop and *am not going to* configure my mail server with authentication into it
[19:02] <syn-ack> hehehe\
[19:03] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/EliteBook-karmic-20090719-2.png
[19:03] <DanaG> Took longer.
[19:03] <DanaG> Hmm, any other ideas?
[19:04] <BUGabundo> DanaG: get a faster disk :)
[19:05] <BUGabundo> ohh remove usplash
[19:05] <penguin42> cupsd seems to be taking a second or two to startup - do you remote print to it?
[19:05] <BUGabundo> DanaG: your modprob is killing the boot
[19:06] <BUGabundo> ntfs???
[19:06] <BUGabundo> lose that
[19:06] <BUGabundo> DanaG: using 3G?
[19:06] <cPF> has someone seen putty sessions hanging open when exiting on Ubuntu karmic? the SSH process goes "defunct"
[19:06] <BUGabundo> modem manager  / nm is making the system wait a bit too
[19:06] <DanaG> Nope, no 3G modem.
[19:06] <BUGabundo> cPF: putty? on  a system with native SSh?
[19:07] <DanaG> Why is putty even starting as a daemon?
[19:07] <BUGabundo> DanaG: any form of modem required?
[19:07] <cPF> BUGabundo: putty on remote side and ubuntu as server, i had the suspicion it is ecryptfs related
[19:07] <DanaG> Nope, not really.
[19:07] <BUGabundo> DanaG: you may be able to loose MM and then gain 2 secs
[19:09] <cPF> secondly processes don't terminate when i press ctrl+c, or even with plain killall (tail -100f messages for example)
[19:09] <penguin42> cPF: do they die on a kill -9 of that process?
[19:10] <cPF> yes
[19:10] <cPF> i wonder if it is just me
[19:10] <DanaG> gotta' go for now.
[19:11] <cPF> i have plain /etc/inputrc so that's not the issue.. it used to work
[19:12] <penguin42> cPF: Well I can ctrl-c from an ssh to my own box
[19:12] <cPF> ok
[19:12] <penguin42> (just tried with the tail -f /var/log/messages
[19:27] <cPF> ok, now i see that the putty hanging is PAM related
[19:27] <cPF> works after disabling PAM in sshd_config
[19:27] <penguin42> odd
[19:29] <DreadKnight> how do i set up autologin in karmic?
[19:29] <cPF> manually in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[19:30] <DreadKnight> argh >_< thanks cPF
[19:30] <DreadKnight> not cool
[19:30] <cPF> graphical config was removed due to upgrading gdm
[19:30] <DreadKnight> i've noticed
[19:30] <DreadKnight> linux.... all about the regressions :D
[19:31] <BUGabundo> DreadKnight: AFAIK you can't, via GUI
[19:31] <BUGabundo> DreadKnight: s/linux/floss devel/
[19:31] <DreadKnight> BUGabundo, yup :3
[19:33] <cPF> it seems they are introducing more bugs as the release date closes in
[19:33] <DreadKnight> cPF, it's always like that indeed
[19:33] <cPF> this ctrl+c bug is so annoying
[19:35] <cPF> what does it say when you type "stty"?
[19:35] <cPF> i have -brkint -imaxbel
[19:36] <cPF> which seems wrong?
[19:37] <cPF> never had this bad regression in the unstable gentoo land :P
[19:57] <andresmujica> bugabundo:   done http://ubuntustats.dnsalias.net/ubuntu+1.html
[19:58] <BUGabundo> woot
[19:58] <BUGabundo> d'oh
[19:58] <BUGabundo> now there are only TWO avatares andresmujica LOLOL
[19:59] <BUGabundo> hooo a first pic of Hobbsee !!
[20:04] <BUGabundo> guys we need more avatar pics from YOU to fill in at http://ubuntustats.dnsalias.net/ubuntu+1.html
[20:05] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: syn-ack penguin42 dupondje yofel Twigathy BluesKaj ^^^^^^^^^^
[20:05] <syn-ack> BUGabundo, Looking for a pic right now.
[20:06] <syn-ack> BUGabundo, I'm still trying to get opensync to play nicely with my winmo PDA
[20:06] <BUGabundo> I was going to say I don't remember syn-ack talking too much, bit then I remember it was from just today
[20:06]  * BUGabundo headslap
[20:06] <syn-ack> heh
[20:06] <BUGabundo> syn-ack: I like wammy better
[20:06] <syn-ack> wammy?
[20:07] <syn-ack> Details man, Details. :P
[20:07] <BUGabundo> wammu
[20:07] <Twigathy> meep
[20:07] <BUGabundo> !info wammu
[20:07] <BUGabundo> !info gammu
[20:07] <syn-ack> And that will work with Windows Mobile?
[20:08] <BUGabundo> try it and let us know
[20:08] <BUGabundo> I don't have any win machine :)
[20:08] <syn-ack> HAH
[20:08] <syn-ack> all you had to do was say "I dont know but we do need a tester." :P
[20:08] <Twigathy> BUGabundo: well http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/v227/1381/37/n284000736_5609.jpg is my facebook profile image >_<
[20:09] <Twigathy> I don't think there are pictures of me where I don't look drunk, stoned or generally bad c_c
[20:09] <BUGabundo> ahahaahah
[20:10] <Twigathy> Then at the other extreme is SUPER HIGH RES graduation photo which isn't terribly flattering either: http://twigathy.com/Grad-blah.jpeg
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[20:11] <BUGabundo> true
[20:11]  * BUGabundo laughs at Twigathy mini eyebrows 
[20:11] <Twigathy> c_c
[20:12] <BUGabundo> did you burn them on a chemist class ?! hehhe
[20:12] <Twigathy> Vaguely more on-topic... does anybody here use twitux? It seems to have totally stopped doing anything useful recently
[20:12] <Twigathy> pass, I don't know :o they are just blonde-coloured, so very feint
[20:49] <Giles> I am trying to write a data DVD in brasero, with karmic
[20:49] <Giles> It doesn't seem to detect my DVD writer, so I ran brasero with -g
[20:50] <Giles> That wasn't really much help to me.
[20:50] <Giles> What would some good diagnostic steps to take be?
[20:53] <BUGabundo> Giles: known bug
[20:53] <Giles> BUGabundo: is there a workaround?
[20:54] <BUGabundo> not sure
[20:54] <BUGabundo> look at LP for the bug
[20:54] <BUGabundo> I don't have it with me
[20:54] <Giles> BUGabundo:  I don't know what bug# it would be, nor what you mean by LP.
[20:56] <dupondje> hi guys :D
[20:57] <Giles> hi dupondje
[20:59] <dupondje> damn, sound is death again :P
[21:02] <BUGabundo> !launchpad | Gilles
[21:02] <BUGabundo> dupondje: 50% of my boots end with sound muted
[21:02] <BUGabundo> I haven't found a reason for it
[21:04] <Giles> BUGabundo: Which bug were you referring to?
[21:04] <BUGabundo> !launchpad | Gilles
[21:04] <dupondje> argh, I can't start pulseaudio manually anymore :(
[21:04] <BUGabundo> dupondje: $ pulseaudio -k
[21:04] <dupondje> upstart starting it ?
[21:04] <dupondje> BUGabundo: I know, but its getting restarted by something ;)
[21:04] <BUGabundo> do that several times until it dies for good and then auto restart
[21:05] <Giles> !launchpad | Giles
[21:05] <BUGabundo> dupondje: its meant like that
[21:05] <BUGabundo> ahahaahah bot
[21:05] <BUGabundo> !launchpad > Gilles
[21:05] <BUGabundo> doh s/gilles/giles
[21:05] <Giles> My name is Giles not Gilles
[21:05] <BUGabundo> !launchpad > Giles
[21:06] <dupondje> BUGabundo: yea ofc, but I would like to get it started with debug
[21:06] <BUGabundo> dupondje: there used to be a conf to make PA not auto spawn
[21:07] <BUGabundo> dupondje: $ gksu gedit /etc/pulse/client.conf
[21:07] <BUGabundo> line 26 to false
[21:07] <dupondje> E: alsa-sink.c: ALSA woke us up to write new data to the device, but there was actually nothing to write!
[21:07] <dupondje> E: alsa-sink.c: Most likely this is a bug in the ALSA driver 'snd_hda_intel'. Please report this issue to the ALSA developers.
[21:07] <dupondje> E: alsa-sink.c: We were woken up with POLLOUT set -- however a subsequent snd_pcm_avail() returned 0 or another value < min_avail.
[21:09] <Giles> BUGabundo:  ok so LP = Launchpad, now, there are hundreds of bugs there, I have already been using google to try to find someone with the same problem, but wasn't able to find anything specific.
[21:10] <BUGabundo> Giles: let me ask around
[21:10] <Giles> maybe this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brasero/+bug/293556
[21:10] <dupondje> Giles: whats the problem ?
[21:11] <Giles> Brasero doesn't recognise my CDRW
[21:11] <Giles> I mean DVDRW
[21:11] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brasero/+bug/397776
[21:14] <BUGabundo> hey geser
[21:18] <Giles> BUGabundo: well I am using 2.27.4    Also comments in the bug suggest It works when run as root, but it doesn't for me.
[21:18] <dupondje> Is it possible to force reload a module
[21:19] <dupondje> without needing to reboot ? :P
[21:19] <Giles> rmmod
[21:19] <Giles> and modprobe
[21:19] <dupondje> ERROR: Removing 'snd_hda_intel': Resource temporarily unavailable
[21:19] <dupondje> :P
[21:20] <Giles> I think you can force it.
[21:20] <Giles> -f
[21:20] <Giles> its dangerous though
[21:21] <cPF> how do you replace config files by the fresh originals?
[21:21] <dupondje> doesn't work ;)
[21:21] <Giles> dupondje: oh well.
[21:21] <Giles> dupondje:  its in use probably.
[21:21] <Giles> use lsmod
[21:23] <dupondje> U can't mean it I will need to reboot ;)
[21:23] <Giles> cPF: You can un-install the package using    apt-get --purge remove
[21:23] <Giles> if thats what you want.
[21:23] <cPF> i tried, but it somehow found my old configs
[21:24] <cPF> there seems to be a backup somewhere
[21:24] <Giles> cPF: not sure then sorry.
[21:28] <BUGabundo> cPF: they are on mem, until cleared and not in use
[21:28] <BUGabundo> so purge, reboot, reinstall
[21:31] <cPF> BUGabundo: pretty sure not.. i'm just trying to restore /etc/ssh/sshd_config and they seem to be in "debconf-db"
[21:31] <BUGabundo> stupid PA.... needme to kill it 15 TIMES!!!! darn resistent guy!
[21:31] <BUGabundo> cPF: purge is supposed to remove any evidence of it. if it doesn't it's a bug
[21:31] <BUGabundo> please file it accordingly
[21:38] <dupondje> wtf
[21:38] <dupondje> now I have some 'cracking'
[21:38] <dupondje> but still no audio :(
[21:50] <dupondje> fixed :D
[21:50] <dupondje> damn shit ;)
[21:51] <ikonia> please control your language
[21:51] <dupondje> excuses ikonia  :)
[21:51] <dupondje> it was the frustration of the moment :)
[21:51] <ikonia> please controls it in future
[21:52] <DreadKnight> please express your anger.
[21:53] <ikonia> DreadKnight: please don't try to provoke, all ubuntu channels have a family friendly/non-cursing policy
[21:54] <DreadKnight> my family doesn't hands out on IRC, this place is only for frustrated geeks :D
[21:54] <DreadKnight> just messing with you man
[21:54] <ikonia> DreadKnight: I'm not joking so :D doesn't help
[21:54] <ikonia> DreadKnight: I'm explaining the channel policy to a user, who has politley agreed to it, don't try to change/provoke it
[21:55] <DreadKnight> chill out dude xD
[21:56] <ikonia> DreadKnight: no, please don't try to provoke things, and doing :D and xD doesn't help.
[21:57] <DreadKnight> you're a funny guy :)
[21:58] <ikonia> DreadKnight: please drop the topic now, and keep in mind for future reference, don't try to provoke things
[21:58] <DreadKnight> "please insert coin to continue...."
[22:10] <BUGabundo> back
[22:15] <dupondje> OpenOffice startup image is wrong btw
[22:15] <dupondje> OpenOffice 3.0 ...
[22:15] <dupondje> its 3.1 ;)
[22:16] <BUGabundo> ehehehe
[22:16] <BUGabundo> its usual bug
[22:16] <BUGabundo> I think that one hit *every* OOo version
[22:44] <BUGabundo> what the cli command to list battery and temperature?
[22:44] <BUGabundo> I think it was acpi something
[22:44] <BUGabundo> btu not working
[22:44] <dupondje> sensors :P
[22:46] <BUGabundo> nope
[22:47] <BUGabundo> but I need to get that and put the applet
[22:47] <BUGabundo> this is why I hate to reinstall
[22:47] <BUGabundo> everything is missing
[22:47] <yofel> BUGabundo: it *is* acpi
[22:49] <schristie> how do I change my display brightness?
[22:50] <syn-ack> BUGabundo, Thats what kickstarts are for
[22:50] <syn-ack> ;)
[22:51] <BUGabundo> $ acpi
[22:51] <BUGabundo> The program 'acpi' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing: bash: acpi: command not found
[22:51] <yofel> o.O
[22:51] <yofel> that's somewhat... wrong
[22:51] <dtchen> acpi was demoted to universe some time ago
[22:52] <BUGabundo> hey dtchen. welcome
[22:53] <dtchen> hi
[22:54] <BUGabundo> dtchen: I think I already asked you this, but why the two volume applets?
[22:54] <BUGabundo> and how can I regain the old full control volume levers?
[22:54] <BUGabundo> I formated and now I can't see it, so no way to choose MIC from both I have
[22:56] <dtchen> BUGabundo: i don't have two volume applets; gnome-volume-control-pulse is no longer in the repository. See the rdepends for it (implying that it has been replaced):
[22:57] <dtchen> Version: 2.27.4-0ubuntu2
[22:57] <dtchen> Replaces: gnome-volume-control-pulse
[22:57] <dtchen> (that's gnome-media)
[22:57] <billybigrigger> i have 2 volume controls
[22:57] <dtchen> for a fresh user?
[22:57] <billybigrigger> yeah
[22:57] <billybigrigger> reinstalled last week
[22:57] <dtchen> i don't have access to a gui, so i can't verify it
[22:58] <billybigrigger> one looks to be for sound preferences, and the other is volume applet
[22:58] <dtchen> BUGabundo: you can still use pavucontrol as a stop-gap measure
[22:59] <BUGabundo> dtchen: this is fresh install! just did it on Friday! even live cd add them
[22:59] <BUGabundo> dtchen: of course I installed pavu. but I see no way to choose between two mics :/
[23:00] <dtchen> BUGabundo: in the input devices tab?
[23:00] <dtchen> are they not listed?
[23:00] <BUGabundo> only see monitor internal audio and internal audio dtchen
[23:01] <dtchen> BUGabundo: can you pastebin your alsa-info output?
[23:02] <BUGabundo> sure
[23:02] <BUGabundo> ohh right now I only have one mic plug-in (the on board). the other is from head phones
[23:02] <BUGabundo> does that matter dtchen?
[23:03] <schristie> so, is there a way in karmic to lower my screen's brightness?
[23:03] <schristie> and maybe even get my brightness buttons to work?
[23:03] <BUGabundo> schristie: laptop buttons work for me, but the bright applet doesn't.
[23:04] <dupondje> can somebody check: open gnome-terminal, open a new tab while in homedir, and the new tab opens dir in / instead of homedir :(
[23:04] <BUGabundo> but it does work on the bright configuration
[23:04] <BUGabundo> dupondje: I've open a bug for something like that early on karmic
[23:04] <dtchen> schristie: there are a couple ways at least if the necessary interfaces are exposed. you _may_ be able to do it via devicekit; you should be able to do it if you install acpi and meddle in /proc
[23:04] <dtchen> dupondje: that's a dupe
[23:05] <BUGabundo> it changed when opening  a new tab from inside another running cli app
[23:05] <dtchen> BUGabundo: yes. what sort of headphones are they? usb?
[23:05] <BUGabundo> dtchen: nope. jack
[23:05] <dtchen> BUGabundo: oh. in that case it shouldn't matter.
[23:05] <schristie> dtchen how?
[23:06] <dtchen> schristie: "how" to which?
[23:06] <billybigrigger> dupondje, when i open a new tab in my home, it opens in my home
[23:06] <schristie> dtchen whichever is more likely to work
[23:07] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: but if you open MAN and try again, you won't! !!!!!
[23:07] <billybigrigger> man empathy, then open a new tab opens in my home dir
[23:08] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: man nano ; ctrl+t; http://dossy.org/2007/10/character-counting-plugin-for-pidgin/
[23:08] <dtchen> schristie: i have no idea which is more likely to work; you haven't provided any additional hw info. Still, please see /proc/acpi/video/VGA/*/brightness
[23:08] <BUGabundo> eerr
[23:08] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: man nano ; ctrl+t; bugabundo@BluBUG:/usr/share/man$
[23:09] <BUGabundo> dtchen: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/401513
[23:09] <billybigrigger> ahhh
[23:09] <billybigrigger> only when you have an app running
[23:09] <billybigrigger> ic now :P
[23:11] <schristie> dtchen I don't see video under /proc/acpi
[23:11] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, was it you saying you had gotten your webcam working the other day?
[23:12] <dtchen> schristie: then you don't have that option available to you. the wiki also has information about hotkey debugging.
[23:12] <dupondje> BUGabundo: in alsa-driver ?
[23:13] <dtchen> dupondje: that's the default package that the apport hook uses.
[23:17] <dtchen> BUGabundo: if you use pavucontrol, it's likely due to the card profile
[23:18] <dtchen> BUGabundo: i presume in the configuration tab that you have output analog + input analog selected?
[23:20] <dtchen> BUGabundo: the method that always works is definitely suboptimal from a UX perspective: alsamixer
[23:20] <dtchen> BUGabundo: namely, the 'Input Source',x elements
[23:25] <chrisccoulson> BUGabundo / dtchen - bug 401513 is because we're currently shipping mixer-applet and gnome-volume-control-applet in karmic
[23:25] <chrisccoulson> the mixer-applet will be disabled next time gnome-applets is uploaded
[23:28] <dtchen> chrisccoulson: great
[23:29] <andresmujica> dtchen,bugabundo just made the dirty work (closing it :P )
[23:29] <tanath> ok, i'm having serious graphical issues right now
[23:29] <tanath> even on VTs
[23:29] <BUGabundo> dtchen: output analog + input analog  yes
[23:29] <dupondje> there are alot of issues :(
[23:29] <tanath> gah, i can't even read anything
[23:30] <dupondje> gvfs for samba broken / aptitude download display broken
[23:30] <BUGabundo> andresmujica: I just open that so dtchen would have an update alsa log
[23:31] <dtchen> andresmujica: i marked it a dupe
[23:54] <tanath> can anyone help me get compiz working? http://pastebin.ca/1500518
[23:56] <tanath> updated with dmesg output: http://pastebin.ca/1500519