| === le_bilou1e is now known as le_biloute | ||
| m3ga | problem : local machine running gnome, i can start stuff from the menus, but if i start something from a terminal window i get 'No protocol specified, unable to open display ":0.0"'. wtf? | 01:21 |
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| BUGabundo | m3ga: 1st person to mention it :) | 01:22 |
| m3ga | mention what? | 01:23 |
| m3ga | is this a known bug? | 01:23 |
| BUGabundo | nope | 01:24 |
| BUGabundo | you are the 1st to mention it | 01:24 |
| m3ga | hmm, newish gdm thing. "cp /var/run/gdm/auth-for-erikd-XXXXX/database .Xauthority" fixed it. | 01:34 |
| yofel | gn folks [mv yofel /dev/bed] | 01:43 |
| BUGabundo | bye | 01:44 |
| * BUGabundo stolen from @yofel: gn folks [mv /dev/awake /dev/bed] | 01:56 | |
| === BlinkyToon is now known as Don_Miguel | ||
| pushrax | Waht to say that there is bug in correct install. If you move a symbolic link folder to the wastebin it will delete thefolder contents of the original folder, not remove the symbolic link only. | 04:14 |
| pushrax | wanted to say.... | 04:14 |
| pushrax | can someone report this bug to appropriate area! | 04:15 |
| pushrax | Wanted to say that there is bug in current install. If you move a symbolic link folder say on the desktop and send it to the wastebin, it will delete the folder contents of the original folder, not remove the symbolic link only. | 04:16 |
| kholerabbi | pushrax: I cannot reproduce this. What Ubuntu version are you using? 9.04 Jaunty Jackalope or maybe 9.10 Karmic Koala? | 04:45 |
| kholerabbi | pushrax: If this is a bug in the file manager you can report it here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+filebug | 04:49 |
| DanaG | damned dosfsck. | 05:02 |
| DanaG | File size is 1499 bytes, cluster chain length is 0 bytes. | 05:02 |
| DanaG | Truncating file to 0 bytes. | 05:02 |
| DanaG | file was /EFI/ubuntu/grub.cfg | 05:02 |
| DanaG | Lovely, thanks for going and deleting that for me! | 05:02 |
| DanaG | =þ | 05:02 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, and when UEFI-booting, for some reason, the kernel fails to comprehend UUIDs. | 05:04 |
| DanaG | Oh, and how do I check what keycodes udev has applied? | 05:13 |
| DanaG | It's no longer taken care of by HAL, so hal-device doesn't help anymore. | 05:13 |
| DanaG | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD#Animations%20and%20durations | 05:31 |
| DanaG | Hmm, if it's supposed to show up for around, oh, 1 second... then why are my manual notifications taking TEN seconds to go away? | 05:32 |
| DanaG | Oh, and nm-applet icon seems not to scale.... and same with padevchooser. | 05:34 |
| DanaG | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/56807 | 05:47 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 56807 in usplash "usplash outputs "chdir: No such file or directory" in each invocation (dup-of: 45435)" [Medium,New] | 05:47 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 45435 in usplash "usplash does not check result of chdir(): /usplash_fifo can be created" [Low,Fix released] | 05:47 |
| DanaG | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/45435 | 05:47 |
| DanaG | er | 05:47 |
| DanaG | odd... I'm getting that bug NOW,. | 05:47 |
| syn-ack | Good evening | 05:50 |
| syn-ack | How's it going Dana | 05:51 |
| DanaG | Doing well enough, though EFI-booting isn't working as well as it used to. | 05:51 |
| syn-ack | whats going on? | 05:51 |
| DanaG | When I EFI-boot the kernel, it fails to comprehend UUIDs, and fails to comprehend that ext4 is not ext2 or ext3. | 05:51 |
| syn-ack | hrm, wow | 05:51 |
| pushrax | Wanted to say that there is bug in current install of kubuntu 9.10. If you remove a symbolic link folder say on the desktop and send it to the wastebin, it will delete the folder contents of the original folder, not simply remove the symbolic link. | 05:51 |
| syn-ack | I dont have EFI on this machine, so I wish I could assist you on that, DanaG | 05:52 |
| pushrax | do I report KDE bugs at KDE or launchpad? | 05:52 |
| syn-ack | launchpad | 05:52 |
| pushrax | syn-ack: ok thanks | 05:52 |
| DanaG | Oh, and most of what I find about EFI is about Apple... but I don't have Apple. =þ | 05:52 |
| syn-ack | it'll work the same way, AFAIK. DanaG | 05:53 |
| syn-ack | EFI is EFI all thats different in theory is the interface.. again AFAIK | 05:53 |
| DanaG | Though mine is UEFI 2.0. HP EliteBook laptop. | 05:55 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, and I also have no /dev/.initramfs | 05:55 |
| DanaG | ... do you have a /dev/.initramfs? | 05:55 |
| syn-ack | Yes | 05:56 |
| DanaG | http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2006/08/msg00857.html | 05:57 |
| DanaG | ah, maybe my udev is broken. | 05:57 |
| syn-ack | meskes@meskes-laptop:~$ ls /dev/.initramfs | 05:58 |
| syn-ack | usplash_fifo usplash_outfifo varrun | 05:58 |
| syn-ack | ;) | 05:58 |
| DanaG | odd.. I don't have a /dev/.initramfs. | 05:58 |
| DanaG | Lemme try seeing if update-initrd worked. | 05:58 |
| DanaG | Gotta' reboot. | 05:58 |
| DanaG | [ 0.432585] Trying to unpack rootfs image as initramfs... | 06:09 |
| DanaG | [ 0.432991] rootfs image is not initramfs (junk in compressed archive); looks like an initrd | 06:09 |
| DanaG | [ 3.201549] RAMDISK: Couldn't find valid RAM disk image starting at 0. | 06:10 |
| Tekno | morning | 06:10 |
| DanaG | what's up with that? It refuses to load my initrd. | 06:11 |
| syn-ack | DanaG, to me, it looks like it may have been built with a bad toolchain or that that your menu.lst maybe misconfigured | 06:14 |
| syn-ack | DanaG, have you tired rebuilding that kernel against your toolchain to see if it keeps it up? | 06:14 |
| DanaG | Hmm, the oddity is, it works perfectly fine when booted via CSM. | 06:15 |
| DanaG | That is, the legacy BIOS-mode. | 06:15 |
| syn-ack | what are you using to boot with? elilo or GRUB*? | 06:15 |
| DanaG | Grub2. | 06:16 |
| DanaG | Sucks that the grub-efi and grub-pc packages conflict. | 06:17 |
| DanaG | And the grub-efi packages don't even put grub.efi in the right place. | 06:17 |
| syn-ack | Hrm, it could just be GRUB2 because it is still really unstable | 06:17 |
| syn-ack | DanaG, Even I wont touch GRUB2 and I have really flaky system? | 06:20 |
| syn-ack | rather . | 06:20 |
| DanaG | I still have legacy grub in my MBR, and in each of two partitions. | 06:20 |
| DanaG | There's no savedefault in grub2. That's a showstopper for me. | 06:20 |
| Shambler4u | I'm still having some problems with the current sound implementation on my Asus EEE PC 1000HE and Karmic | 06:39 |
| DanaG | Actually, I think my EFI thingy is a kernel issue... booting Jaunty via the exact same grub.efi works fine. | 06:43 |
| ripps | after some libc updates, my computer seems to be running much better. Not quite so many kernel oops today | 07:10 |
| Shambler4u | I've yet to have any kernel oops, but I've had lots of problems with sound control | 07:11 |
| ripps | Shambler4u: it looks like there doing some major changes to the sound system... be patient and file bugs as necessary | 07:12 |
| Shambler4u | ripps: Yeah, I've been doing that. Sometimes I wonder if I just don't have something configured correctly | 07:15 |
| tanath | anyone know why my scroll wheel might suddenly stop working? (even after reboot) | 07:18 |
| tanath | i now have two volume icons: one on panel & one in tray. they're different. | 07:26 |
| tanath | my thumb buttons still work, though my scroll wheel doesn't... | 07:31 |
| Shambler4u | tanath: I've just filed a bug report on that | 07:36 |
| Shambler4u | tanath: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/401294 maybe you could contribute here? | 07:37 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 401294 in ubuntu "Karmic - 2 Sound Applets, No Keyboard Shortcuts, Sound Resetting" [Undecided,New] | 07:37 |
| tanath | hm, my kb shortcuts do work | 07:37 |
| tanath | though the one in the tray doesn't seem to realize it at the moment :P | 07:38 |
| Shambler4u | mine do too, but it's controlling a different device than it should, and I can't make it change it's mind about that | 07:38 |
| DanaG | I hate the current mixer_applet2. | 07:39 |
| DanaG | Horizontal == stupid. | 07:39 |
| Shambler4u | DanaG: mixer_applet2 shows up on my system in the tray and is vertical | 07:40 |
| tanath | hrm, audacious is messed up now | 07:40 |
| DanaG | That's the OTHER one. | 07:40 |
| Shambler4u | Volume Applet 2.27.3? | 07:40 |
| DanaG | yeah, mine's horizontal. | 07:40 |
| Shambler4u | oh - that one's been horizontal for a long time for me | 07:41 |
| Shambler4u | that's been there since Jaunty I thought? | 07:41 |
| syn-ack | One is Pulse and the other ALSA | 07:41 |
| syn-ack | The Vertical one is ALSA, the other Pulse | 07:42 |
| Shambler4u | syn-ack: they seem to be controlling each other on my system | 07:42 |
| tanath | ok, i can't confirm the audacious thing. works for me | 07:42 |
| tanath | also, i'm not using an eee pc | 07:42 |
| syn-ack | AFAIK, they SHOULD | 07:42 |
| tanath | anyone find the .31 kernels don't work? | 07:42 |
| syn-ack | Oh wiat | 07:42 |
| Shambler4u | my understanding was that they were separate? | 07:42 |
| tanath | fortunately i still have the .28 kernels | 07:43 |
| syn-ack | Shambler4u, you know what..,.. this is the PULSE mixer | 07:43 |
| syn-ack | hrm | 07:43 |
| tanath | which one? | 07:43 |
| tanath | the tray one? | 07:43 |
| syn-ack | Both | 07:43 |
| syn-ack | hrm | 07:43 |
| tanath | o.O i'm using alsa | 07:43 |
| syn-ack | Of course you are | 07:43 |
| syn-ack | We all are. | 07:43 |
| DanaG | oh yeah, and one applet seems to have a DIFFERENT volume range than my keyboard keys. | 07:43 |
| syn-ack | tanath, Pulse isnt kernel layer like ALSA | 07:44 |
| SeveredCross | That's probably Ear Candy. | 07:44 |
| tanath | mm | 07:44 |
| DanaG | I tried Ear Candy once. | 07:44 |
| SeveredCross | DanaG: Probably a combination of the ear-candy applet and Pulse's flat volumes. | 07:44 |
| DanaG | Gave up on it when it blasted me. | 07:44 |
| SeveredCross | I turned flat volumes off, it was pissing me off. | 07:44 |
| DanaG | And when it kept moving streams AWAY from my bluetooth headset. | 07:44 |
| syn-ack | Hrm | 07:44 |
| tanath | if i use my kb to change volume, it works, and the applet behaves accordingly, but the tray one doesn't notice the change in vol. still says 100% | 07:45 |
| DanaG | Flat volumes is goddamn awfully confusing. | 07:45 |
| syn-ack | I wonder why it doesnt kill the other mixer like it should be doing. Thats an annoying bug | 07:45 |
| DanaG | And when you add earcandy... it just cranks everything up to 100%. | 07:45 |
| DanaG | Frankly, that's a health risk! | 07:45 |
| syn-ack | DanaG, Relax. :p | 07:45 |
| SeveredCross | tanath: The tray one is probably reflecting the Pulse mixer. | 07:45 |
| * DanaG GETS BLASTED BY 100% VOLUME. | 07:46 | |
| DanaG | hah. | 07:46 |
| DanaG | that's all the yelling I'll do now, | 07:46 |
| tanath | also, i don't think i like the new Sound Prefs | 07:46 |
| tanath | which it links to | 07:46 |
| syn-ack | SeveredCross, Both of the Tray mixers this re this bug is PULSE | 07:46 |
| DanaG | Yeah, how do you set which thingy the volume hotkeys control? | 07:46 |
| tanath | doesn't let you choose output thingy, for one | 07:46 |
| syn-ack | One is just the new sound profile | 07:46 |
| syn-ack | tanath, Do you have more than one output source? | 07:47 |
| tanath | woah, suddenly my scroll wheel is working again | 07:47 |
| DanaG | I see... now my hotkeys are the virtualized volume. | 07:47 |
| tanath | syn-ack, in jaunty i had several things to choose from (and i seem to have a couple output devices, though they all seem to be the same device | 07:47 |
| tanath | pulse, alsa, esd, oss... | 07:47 |
| DanaG | And the virtualized one is inaudible below 50%. | 07:47 |
| syn-ack | No no | 07:47 |
| tanath | and multiple ICH devices | 07:48 |
| DanaG | well, not inaudible, but pretty close. | 07:48 |
| syn-ack | Thats what I was getting at... hrm | 07:48 |
| tanath | but all seemed to go to my speakers | 07:48 |
| syn-ack | You know guys, Im going to sum this up to one damned annoying bug thtat I cant trace for the moment | 07:48 |
| DanaG | It puts master at ZERO when at 50%! | 07:48 |
| tanath | why would my scroll wheel randomly stop working, even across a reboot, and then randomly start working again? | 07:49 |
| syn-ack | Reason I cannot trace is because its midnight and I've been up since 7 am | 07:49 |
| tanath | syn-ack, heh, get some sleep. sleep deprivation is bad for you | 07:50 |
| syn-ack | meh | 07:50 |
| syn-ack | tanath, in my prior line of work before coming back to IT I never slept | 07:50 |
| tanath | my scroll wheel started working slowly too... like the events were getting eaten | 07:50 |
| DanaG | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=333438 | 07:50 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 333438 in mixer "gnome volume applet mute/zero volume behavior is not intuitive" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate] | 07:50 |
| tanath | and only some were getting through | 07:50 |
| tanath | so i started playing with it more, and it's now working | 07:51 |
| DanaG | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/332081 | 07:51 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 332081 in gnome-settings-daemon "Panel volume icon state changes to "mute" when volume reaches zero" [Low,New] | 07:51 |
| tanath | syn-ack, that's not good. they keep finding out that sleep deprivation is worse than they thought | 07:51 |
| tanath | DanaG, had that prob too a few times | 07:51 |
| DanaG | It even makes my MUTE LED light up, rather annoyingly. | 07:52 |
| DanaG | Or rather, switch from blue to orange. | 07:52 |
| syn-ack | tanath, hehehehe | 07:52 |
| tanath | oh, i had some serious graphical glitches for the past several days that i managed to fix. i had ancient left-overs from fglrx that were messing things up | 07:53 |
| tanath | though swiftfox still seems to have graphical glitches of the same type :-/ | 07:53 |
| syn-ack | tanath, Thats ok, my Wifi button doesnt change from orange to white and never has | 07:53 |
| syn-ack | it does infact, switch the wifi on and off so I dont care if it doesnt match what "its supposed to Do" in that respect | 07:54 |
| tanath | heh | 07:54 |
| tanath | papercuts, man. papercuts. :P | 07:54 |
| syn-ack | Ok | 07:54 |
| * tanath shakes fist :P | 07:55 | |
| syn-ack | See, When I first started working with Ubuntu WAAAAAAY back in the day we didnt have these papercuts.... WTF are they exactly? | 07:55 |
| robin0800 | syn-ack, what wi fi card? | 07:55 |
| syn-ack | robin0800, Ath 5001 | 07:55 |
| syn-ack | robin0800, imo, its merely aesthetic so I'm not concerned | 07:56 |
| tanath | papercuts: https://edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts | 07:57 |
| robin0800 | syn-ack, tried googling for led light on your card worked for me ipw2200 just needed led=1 option | 07:58 |
| tanath | little annoyances that turn people off ubuntu/linux | 07:58 |
| syn-ack | tanath, I've used linux for over a decade, this aint anything | 07:59 |
| tanath | anyone know what swiftfox might be using/doing that would cause graphical glitches? | 07:59 |
| tanath | syn-ack, it's nothing to you :P | 07:59 |
| DanaG | oh yeah, iwlagn blinking is another godawful annoying thing. | 07:59 |
| syn-ack | robin0800, wtf does it need that? | 07:59 |
| syn-ack | robin0800, interfaces? | 07:59 |
| SeveredCross | iwlagn blinking is just replicating the standard Windows behavior. | 08:00 |
| DanaG | Not for my cadr. | 08:00 |
| DanaG | card. | 08:00 |
| DanaG | Mine in Windows does NOT blink. | 08:00 |
| SeveredCross | Weird, it is for mine. | 08:00 |
| DanaG | It's vendor-specific. | 08:00 |
| DanaG | Look in the Intel INF some time. | 08:00 |
| DanaG | HP has it not blink. | 08:00 |
| SeveredCross | Weird. | 08:00 |
| SeveredCross | I've got Dell. | 08:00 |
| syn-ack | DUDE! | 08:01 |
| syn-ack | I dont. :P | 08:01 |
| * syn-ack vomits when he thinks of Dell | 08:01 | |
| syn-ack | <- HP Fanboi. :P | 08:01 |
| * DanaG really likes his EliteBook. Badass. | 08:01 | |
| tanath | what's the prob with dell? | 08:01 |
| syn-ack | tanath, ...Its a Dell. :P | 08:02 |
| robin0800 | syn-ack, needed to have led light work | 08:02 |
| syn-ack | That and they bought Alienware. :D | 08:02 |
| tanath | who bought alienware? | 08:02 |
| SeveredCross | Dell. | 08:02 |
| syn-ack | Dell | 08:02 |
| tanath | right... that's a prob? | 08:02 |
| syn-ack | Years ago | 08:02 |
| SeveredCross | I got a Dell because it was...cheap. | 08:02 |
| syn-ack | tanath, For alienware | 08:02 |
| DanaG | http://www.quatraine3.com/tribalwar/SwSetup/WLAN2/NETw4v32.INF | 08:02 |
| DanaG | example of INF. | 08:02 |
| tanath | alienware made good stuff | 08:02 |
| syn-ack | MADE is the operative | 08:03 |
| DanaG | HKR,,LedMode,0x10001,0x1 | 08:03 |
| syn-ack | meh | 08:03 |
| syn-ack | like I said, details. :P | 08:03 |
| DanaG | http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4631 | 08:04 |
| DanaG | here's what I have. | 08:04 |
| DanaG | Though I have P8600 instead of T9400, and Mobility FireGL V5700 instead of whatever the nvidia was -- by choice, in fact. | 08:04 |
| syn-ack | I have an HP Pavillion | 08:05 |
| syn-ack | os[Linux 2.6.31-3-generic i686] distro[Ubuntu "karmic" 9.10] cpu[2 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU T3200 @ 2.00GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 2.00GHz] mem[Physical: 1.9GB, 83.3% free] disk[Total: 146.6GB, 92.2% free] video[Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA Intel] | 08:05 |
| DanaG | Linux EliteBook 2.6.31-3-generic #19-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jul 14 16:07:02 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux | 08:06 |
| syn-ack | Though its straight Intel. :D | 08:06 |
| syn-ack | DanaG, though I can do 64 bit, I figured I would shake down the 32 bit release | 08:06 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, and my hostname is... EliteBook. | 08:07 |
| DanaG | I couldn't think of anything cooler. | 08:07 |
| syn-ack | Mine is Neptune | 08:07 |
| Shambler4u | I had to replace the wireless card on this Asus EEE PC 1000HE because it wouldn't work with Ubuntu | 08:07 |
| syn-ack | Jupiter is my stable desktop Saturn is my AD server, Solare is my Gateway etc | 08:08 |
| syn-ack | Shambler4u, which card was it? | 08:08 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, I had an old Gateway 17" laptop. Boy, did the construction quality on that thing suck. | 08:08 |
| DanaG | Lid cracked right down the middle. | 08:08 |
| DanaG | LCD itself failed some time later. | 08:08 |
| syn-ack | heh | 08:09 |
| DanaG | I eventually removed the LCD and lid, so I could at least use it with an external monitor. | 08:09 |
| syn-ack | Ive got a buddy that had a Gateway and had to have have or did it himself replaced the LCD 3 times | 08:10 |
| DanaG | Removal of LVDS attachment also revealed lots of bugs in things. | 08:10 |
| syn-ack | I know he knows your pain | 08:10 |
| Shambler4u | syn-ack: it was an AzureWave model # AR5B91-X | 08:10 |
| syn-ack | Shambler4u, I have never heard of that in my whole entire life | 08:10 |
| Shambler4u | haha | 08:10 |
| syn-ack | apparently neither has anyone else | 08:10 |
| Shambler4u | syn-ack: this is the card: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&item=280358418608 | 08:11 |
| Shambler4u | it was trying to run on the Atheros drivers, if I'm not mistaken | 08:11 |
| syn-ack | Shambler4u, which one? | 08:11 |
| Shambler4u | it would just go several minutes where it would drop packets like crazy | 08:11 |
| syn-ack | as in madwifi, etc? | 08:11 |
| Shambler4u | madwifi | 08:12 |
| syn-ack | hrm | 08:12 |
| syn-ack | thats like that "works with everthing" driver though it doesnt | 08:12 |
| Shambler4u | dropped packets to the point where it was un-usable | 08:12 |
| syn-ack | I know for a fact it doesnt work with mine | 08:12 |
| syn-ack | suck. :/ | 08:12 |
| Shambler4u | it would work for awhile, but then I'd have periods where I'd have 100% packet loss. | 08:13 |
| syn-ack | wow | 08:13 |
| syn-ack | Ok, Ubuntuone is kinda irritating | 08:14 |
| syn-ack | Thought I would just mention that out loud | 08:14 |
| Shambler4u | syn-ack: Ubuntuone doesn't even work at all on my machine | 08:15 |
| syn-ack | and #ubuntuone couldnt help you out at all? | 08:15 |
| Shambler4u | I was curious one day after noticing something new in the menu, and I clicked it, and it just crashed. Then I couldn't file a bug report because there were updates or something. | 08:16 |
| Shambler4u | I haven't pursued it yet (although I should). I honestly don't even know what it is | 08:16 |
| syn-ack | Shambler4u, www.ubuntuone.com | 08:17 |
| syn-ack | I suggest you go there and check it out | 08:17 |
| Shambler4u | thanks | 08:18 |
| Shambler4u | ohhh! It's like Dropbox | 08:19 |
| syn-ack | yep. ;) | 08:21 |
| Shambler4u | yeah - when run UbuntuOne, nothing at all happens | 08:26 |
| syn-ack | Shambler4u, you have to send in for an invite for an account | 08:27 |
| syn-ack | read the site. ;) | 08:27 |
| Shambler4u | yessir. Though the site won't let me log in. Man, things are trouble for me today | 08:29 |
| Shambler4u | therefore, I'm going to go off to bed. syn-ack, May I suggest the same for you, too? ;) | 08:30 |
| syn-ack | heheh | 08:31 |
| syn-ack | g'night | 08:31 |
| Shambler4u | night | 08:31 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| yofel | good morning folks | 09:42 |
| x1250 | j #gnome-sheel | 09:42 |
| x1250 | hi | 09:42 |
| robin0800 | x1250 did you mean /j #gnome-sheel | 09:43 |
| x1250 | robin0800, sort of, gnome-shell, so two errors in one line :) | 09:44 |
| Gumby | hi all. Ive just installed 9.10 and then installed XP. I am now trying to reinstall grub as my bootloader. Are there any grub2 howtos on there to reinstall grub from the livecd? | 09:51 |
| |ns|nR8 | yep | 09:52 |
| Hobbsee | hm, i only know of a grub1 one, and i'm not sure how similar it is | 09:52 |
| |ns|nR8 | i found one using google in couple minutes | 09:53 |
| |ns|nR8 | other day | 09:53 |
| Gumby | yeah, Ive done a regular grub rescue before. searching google for a grub2 one now | 09:53 |
| |ns|nR8 | google ubuntu fix grub2 after install | 09:54 |
| |ns|nR8 | first result | 09:54 |
| === WelshDragon is now known as Fluffles | ||
| gnomefreak | look at wiki.ubuntu.com/grub2 as i recall that is address | 09:54 |
| Gumby | lol. I was searching through results of grub2 rescue | 09:55 |
| gnomefreak | should have installed XP first it makes life easier | 09:55 |
| |ns|nR8 | its not that hard with grub2..just a command | 09:55 |
| Gumby | its not too much of a worry right now. 'll figure it out eventually ;) | 09:56 |
| |ns|nR8 | if it dont detect the windows partition tho its a little trickier..you have to make a couple sctips | 09:56 |
| |ns|nR8 | to add windows to grub2 loads | 09:56 |
| |ns|nR8 | i like the older grub better | 09:56 |
| === mac__v is now known as mac_v | ||
| Gumby | looks like its quite similar to the old process for fixing grub | 09:59 |
| Gumby | mounting root, then dev, then chroot | 09:59 |
| Gumby | http://www.ubuntu-inside.me/2009/06/howto-recover-grub2-after-windows.html | 09:59 |
| |ns|nR8 | you have no menu.lst tho | 09:59 |
| |ns|nR8 | and you cant edit the main file | 09:59 |
| Gumby | no, but its the same process | 09:59 |
| |ns|nR8 | o | 10:00 |
| Gumby | and if its the mbr that is overwritten, you really shouldnt need to edit the menu.lst/grub.cfg | 10:00 |
| |ns|nR8 | if it dont detect your windows partition you have to worry abut it | 10:00 |
| |ns|nR8 | thats what happened to me | 10:00 |
| Gumby | you can worry about it after you get back into ubuntu | 10:01 |
| |ns|nR8 | yep | 10:01 |
| Gumby | which I'm about to do. see ya in a few | 10:01 |
| |ns|nR8 | k | 10:01 |
| Gumby | and.... we're back :) | 10:07 |
| |ns|nR8 | howd ya go | 10:07 |
| |ns|nR8 | did it see windows ? | 10:07 |
| dupondje | damn, purging sysklogd is brojen :( | 10:18 |
| dupondje | broken* | 10:18 |
| gnomefreak | dupondje: it was replaced | 10:19 |
| dupondje | gnomefreak: I know, I want to purge the old now, but its broken :( | 10:19 |
| gnomefreak | dupondje: define broken | 10:20 |
| dupondje | userdel: gebruiker 'syslog' is momenteel niet aangemeld | 10:21 |
| dupondje | /usr/sbin/deluser: `/usr/sbin/userdel syslog' gaf foutcode 8. Stoppen. | 10:21 |
| dupondje | dpkg: fout bij afhandelen van sysklogd (--purge): | 10:21 |
| gnomefreak | ok english by chance? | 10:21 |
| dupondje | what do I need to put in front again :) to have english output :P | 10:21 |
| gnomefreak | i didnt know you could other than transate it. can yuou give me an idea on what the 2 last lines say. also did you remove it yet? | 10:23 |
| dupondje | userdel: user syslog is currently logged in | 10:23 |
| dupondje | /usr/sbin/deluser: `/usr/sbin/userdel syslog' returned error code 8. Exiting. | 10:23 |
| dupondje | dpkg: error processing sysklogd (--purge): | 10:23 |
| dupondje | subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 1 | 10:23 |
| gnomefreak | dupondje: did you try killing it in ps aux? to see if it is still running try ps aux | grep syslog | 10:24 |
| dupondje | I see the error now :P | 10:25 |
| dupondje | huge translation error imo :s | 10:25 |
| dupondje | its purged now :) | 10:26 |
| dupondje | jl@laptopjl:~$ sudo /usr/sbin/userdel syslog | 10:27 |
| dupondje | userdel: gebruiker 'syslog' is momenteel niet aangemeld | 10:27 |
| dupondje | jl@laptopjl:~$ LANG=en sudo /usr/sbin/userdel syslog | 10:27 |
| dupondje | userdel: user syslog is currently logged in | 10:27 |
| dupondje | the dutch says: userdel: user 'syslog' is currently NOT logged in | 10:27 |
| dupondje | while the english version says it IS logged in ! | 10:27 |
| gnomefreak | dupondje: if you installed the new pakcage (forgot name) than it should stop it from running at least mine did | 10:28 |
| dupondje | killed syslog procs, and it got purged :) | 10:29 |
| gnomefreak | dupondje: restart would have done that too :) | 10:29 |
| dupondje | a translation bug in shadow :) | 10:32 |
| dupondje | who should I address ;) | 10:32 |
| gnomefreak | dupondje: file a bug on it | 10:32 |
| gnomefreak | leave the package name blank someone will place it where it needs to be | 10:33 |
| dupondje | its in the shadow package :p | 10:34 |
| dupondje | #, c-format | 10:34 |
| dupondje | msgid "%s: user %s is currently logged in\n" | 10:34 |
| dupondje | msgstr "%s: gebruiker %s is momenteel niet aangemeld\n" | 10:34 |
| gnomefreak | dupondje: shadow is not the name of the package | 10:35 |
| gnomefreak | gnomefreak@Development:~$ show shadow | 10:35 |
| gnomefreak | W: Unable to locate package shadow | 10:35 |
| gnomefreak | E: No packages found | 10:35 |
| geser | bug 401056 | 10:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 401056 in sysklogd "package sysklogd (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/401056 | 10:35 |
| dupondje | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shadow/+bug/401330 | 10:36 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 401330 in shadow "Translation error in dutch" [Undecided,New] | 10:36 |
| dupondje | translation error ;) | 10:36 |
| dupondje | gnomefreak: is passwd | 10:36 |
| dupondje | but shadow on launchpad | 10:36 |
| geser | passwd is the binary package and shadow the source package | 10:37 |
| yofel | dupondje: for english terminal output use 'export LANG=en_US.UTF-8' (for future reference ;)) | 10:42 |
| dupondje | thx yofel ;) | 10:43 |
| yofel | using LANG=C would be easier, but then you have no UTF-8 | 10:43 |
| drazter2 | hi, im currently on jaunty and i want to try out the new 9.10 koala release.. i have found something called a "daily build" can anyone tell me what is that? | 11:16 |
| tgpraveen1 | drazter2: its the state of karmic which is updated daily | 11:17 |
| tgpraveen1 | so its the latest version of karmic | 11:17 |
| tgpraveen1 | right now if u can wait for alpha 3 which comes out in a few days | 11:17 |
| drazter2 | so its different from Alpha2 ? and its updated every day? | 11:17 |
| drazter2 | but i can update from alpha 2 to alpha 3 easily right? | 11:18 |
| tgpraveen1 | well yes it is a more updated version than alpha 2 | 11:19 |
| tgpraveen1 | theoretically u can go from alpha 2 to 3 | 11:19 |
| tgpraveen1 | but in this particular case there have been many changes to gdm | 11:19 |
| tgpraveen1 | and x etc | 11:19 |
| tgpraveen1 | so it WILL | 11:19 |
| tgpraveen1 | lead to many probs | 11:19 |
| gnomefreak | drazter2: you dont want to use daily builds if you can adviod it since they are done by a bot and not tested | 11:20 |
| tgpraveen1 | so best advice is wait for alpha 3 | 11:20 |
| gnomefreak | tgpraveen1: gdm bugs are mostly fixed | 11:20 |
| tgpraveen1 | gnomefreak: is right | 11:20 |
| tgpraveen1 | gnomefreak: yeah but if he installs alpha 2 | 11:20 |
| tgpraveen1 | then he updates | 11:20 |
| tgpraveen1 | then he will be plagued by that one bug which was casusing a lot of probs | 11:20 |
| gnomefreak | i cant remember if it was a2 or a3 that first got those fixes | 11:21 |
| tgpraveen1 | daily build would avoid it but as u said it is untested | 11:21 |
| tgpraveen1 | it was fixed after a2 was released | 11:21 |
| tgpraveen1 | a3 is yet to come | 11:21 |
| * gnomefreak still not sure how upstart is handled on upgrade atm | 11:21 | |
| dupondje | gnomefreak: it works ;) | 11:21 |
| dupondje | here at least ;) | 11:21 |
| gnomefreak | use nightly installer to upgrade or to install | 11:21 |
| tgpraveen1 | a3 is when people actually hope to have karmic stabilised especially in x,kernel etc areasx | 11:22 |
| drazter2 | well | 11:22 |
| gnomefreak | dupondje: it is being held back i thought depends issues since it wants to remove a bunch of upstart related apps | 11:22 |
| drazter2 | im having some trouble with jaunty, and seems there are some performance issues.. since my laptop is pretty powerful.. | 11:22 |
| gnomefreak | drazter2: best to wait a bit longer | 11:22 |
| dupondje | nop gnomefreak, it just works :) | 11:23 |
| dupondje | the only thing I really miss in karmic is fast-user-switch-apllet :P | 11:23 |
| tgpraveen1 | drazter2: intel graphics issues? | 11:23 |
| tgpraveen1 | if so then enabling backports or something is supposed to fix it | 11:23 |
| drazter2 | dunno, seems like its eating a lot of CPU and RAM for nothing | 11:24 |
| gnomefreak | dupondje: http://paste.ubuntu.com/221832/ | 11:24 |
| tgpraveen1 | best to enable backports and google for the solution there were many blog posts on how to fix it | 11:24 |
| gnomefreak | dupondje: see if you have the remove packages | 11:24 |
| drazter2 | having also some sound problems witch causes.. the whole computer to freeze | 11:25 |
| tgpraveen1 | drazter2: enable backports and update system and see if it goes away. and remember right now karmic is very unstable and it will most probabal | 11:25 |
| tgpraveen1 | give u more probs than jaunty | 11:25 |
| gnomefreak | upgrading to an unstable release is not something you do to fix a stable release bug | 11:26 |
| drazter2 | no no.. i wont upgrade | 11:26 |
| drazter2 | i will instal a fresh copy | 11:26 |
| dupondje | gnomefreak: don't have them | 11:26 |
| dupondje | but u don't need them ? | 11:26 |
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| gnomefreak | dupondje: ok thanks | 11:27 |
| dupondje | btw, nautilus broken hard ? :x | 11:27 |
| drazter2 | still.. il give it a try, will install it on anohter partition and i hope i can upgrate to alpha 3 if something goes wrong | 11:29 |
| drazter2 | however jaunty will remain | 11:29 |
| drazter2 | that way no harm can be done .. only little time for download / install | 11:29 |
| dupondje | how can I debug nautlius ? | 11:29 |
| dupondje | I can't open 'Computer' / 'Network' | 11:30 |
| dupondje | it just crashes | 11:30 |
| yofel | dupondje: you using U1 ? | 11:30 |
| dupondje | U1 ? | 11:30 |
| yofel | ubuntuone | 11:30 |
| gnomefreak | dupondje: alot of people have seen that and IIRC there is a bug on it already | 11:30 |
| yofel | there is, let me get it out | 11:30 |
| gnomefreak | ah yeah thats it. if you use the nightlies it goes away | 11:30 |
| yofel | dupondje: bug 395710 | 11:31 |
| dupondje | UbuntuOne got installed automaticly :) don't even know what it does :p | 11:31 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 395710 in ubuntuone-client "Opening "Places/Computer" nautilus crash with Segmentation fault" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/395710 | 11:31 |
| dupondje | hmz | 11:33 |
| dupondje | Fix released ? | 11:33 |
| dupondje | but its not in repo's ? | 11:33 |
| yofel | dupondje: ubuntu one can't be installed automatically because it's a ppa | 11:34 |
| yofel | ah, my fault, there is a version in the repos | 11:35 |
| yofel | the not-fixed one... | 11:35 |
| yofel | dupondje: if you don't use ubuntu one you should be able to just remove it | 11:36 |
| yofel | that should fix the crash as well | 11:36 |
| dupondje | ok :) | 11:37 |
| dupondje | its working again :) great :Dµ$ | 11:39 |
| nikolam | hi. packages.ubuntu.com still not working.. | 11:45 |
| BUGabundo | need a bug confirmation | 12:46 |
| BUGabundo | open nautilus | 12:46 |
| BUGabundo | choose a dir | 12:46 |
| BUGabundo | change the view to list mode | 12:46 |
| BUGabundo | press F5 | 12:46 |
| BUGabundo | does this work? | 12:47 |
| robin0800 | BUGabundo, Yes but it should not its ctrl 1 2 or 3 | 12:54 |
| BUGabundo | robin0800: ctrl?? | 12:55 |
| BUGabundo | I simply want to refresh the folder | 12:56 |
| BUGabundo | also If I leave and return its reset | 12:56 |
| BUGabundo | its a bug afaics | 12:56 |
| yofel | BUGabundo: resets to symbol view here | 12:56 |
| BUGabundo | yofel: symbol? thumb you mean | 12:57 |
| robin0800 | BUGabundo, Yes its a bug like alt F2 I guess | 12:57 |
| BUGabundo | robin0800: what altf2 bug? | 12:57 |
| BUGabundo | works for me | 12:57 |
| yofel | here alt+f2 doesn't do anything as well | 12:58 |
| BUGabundo | wfm | 12:58 |
| BUGabundo | :) | 12:58 |
| robin0800 | BUGabundo, not working here last couple of days having to use gksu in terminel | 12:59 |
| BUGabundo | strange | 12:59 |
| dupondje | samba & gvfs still seems a bit broken :( | 13:00 |
| popey | BUGabundo: Nautilus crashes for me when i switch to list view | 13:06 |
| BUGabundo | eheh popey | 13:06 |
| popey | but not always | 13:06 |
| BUGabundo | luckly not here | 13:06 |
| popey | refresh switches back to icon view | 13:06 |
| BUGabundo | I'll file a bug on the view change on LP and upstream in a minute | 13:06 |
| BUGabundo | popey: yep | 13:06 |
| BUGabundo | that's my bug | 13:06 |
| popey | then triggers a crash in ubuntuone | 13:06 |
| BUGabundo | just a sec will do it now | 13:07 |
| BUGabundo | ahhh I haven't started my U1 | 13:07 |
| BUGabundo | darn | 13:07 |
| BUGabundo | then that could be the cause and not Nautilus bug | 13:07 |
| popey | yes | 13:07 |
| BUGabundo | let me start it, and see if I get a trace | 13:07 |
| popey | its known to be causing some nautilus issues at the moment | 13:07 |
| yofel | hehe, forgot to start mine as well | 13:08 |
| yofel | but it doesn't crash here, just resets the view | 13:08 |
| BUGabundo | "You should now automatically return to https://ubuntuone.com." | 13:08 |
| BUGabundo | lol | 13:08 |
| yofel | popey: what's your u1 version? | 13:09 |
| BUGabundo | no crash her | 13:09 |
| BUGabundo | *here | 13:09 |
| BUGabundo | Installed: 0.90.4+r88-0ubuntu1~ppa1~karmic | 13:09 |
| popey | ii ubuntuone-client 0.90.3-0ubuntu1 Ubuntu One client | 13:09 |
| BUGabundo | from #U1: Current Beta Client Revno is 88, Protocol Revno is 52 | Release 0.90.4 | 13:09 |
| BUGabundo | popey: you need to upgrade :) | 13:10 |
| popey | nah, i dont use u1 | 13:10 |
| BUGabundo | heheh | 13:10 |
| popey | and you're using the ppa | 13:10 |
| BUGabundo | then purge it :) | 13:10 |
| popey | I dont use ppa's on karmic | 13:10 |
| yofel | popey: then your crash is probably bug 395710 | 13:10 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 395710 in ubuntuone-client "Opening "Places/Computer" nautilus crash with Segmentation fault" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/395710 | 13:10 |
| BUGabundo | right now it is on the archive! | 13:10 |
| BUGabundo | forgot about that | 13:10 |
| BUGabundo | *** 0.90.4+r88-0ubuntu1~ppa1~karmic 0 500 http://ppa.launchpad.net karmic/main Packages | 13:11 |
| yofel | popey: the remove it, should remove the crash as well ;) | 13:11 |
| BUGabundo | 0.90.3-0ubuntu1 0 500 http://darkstar.ist.utl.pt karmic/main Packages | 13:11 |
| yofel | *then | 13:11 |
| BUGabundo | how can I change my MIC selection ?? | 13:11 |
| BUGabundo | I used to be able to do that on my Volume Controls | 13:11 |
| BUGabundo | but now the new one doesn't allow me | 13:12 |
| BUGabundo | nor I see where to do it on PAVU | 13:12 |
| BUGabundo | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/401367 | 13:15 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 401367 in nautilus "View mode always changes to Icons" [Undecided,New] | 13:15 |
| BUGabundo | filed | 13:15 |
| BUGabundo | upstresming now | 13:15 |
| BUGabundo | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=589024 | 13:20 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 589024 in Views: All "View mode always changes to Icons" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 13:20 |
| BUGabundo | and upstream now | 13:20 |
| BUGabundo | yofel: popey robin0800 ^^^^^^^ | 13:20 |
| robin0800 | BUGabundo, is alt f2 classed as a bug? | 13:21 |
| yofel | BUGabundo: confirmed it | 13:22 |
| BUGabundo | lunch bbl | 13:22 |
| yofel | me too | 13:25 |
| pygi | hey folks | 13:51 |
| pygi | do you have any idea why notifications wouldn't work? | 13:51 |
| pygi | I tried with "notify-send "New eMail arrived" -i notification-message-email" as well, and its a no go | 13:51 |
| BluesKaj | Hello folks | 13:52 |
| BUGabundo | hey BluesKaj | 13:56 |
| BUGabundo | brb. taking my dog for a walj | 13:56 |
| BUGabundo | *walk | 13:56 |
| yofel | re | 14:18 |
| yofel | pygi: is notify-osd really running? 'ps -e | grep notify-osd' | 14:19 |
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| BluesKaj | yofel, no updates today on the servers ? | 14:49 |
| penguin42 | anyone else had nautilus being very touchy - segs in glib ? | 14:51 |
| yofel | BluesKaj: doesn't seem like it | 14:51 |
| yofel | penguin42: got ubuntuone installed ? | 14:52 |
| penguin42 | yes, and the seg is coming from that | 14:52 |
| yofel | penguin42: uninstall it if you don't use it, the crash is fixed, but not yet in the repos version | 14:52 |
| BluesKaj | hmm yofel , interesting ...maybe the devs are catching up to the problems :) | 14:52 |
| penguin42 | yofel: OK, thanks - wtf is Ubuntu One? | 14:53 |
| yofel | BluesKaj: more like preparing for alpha3 :P | 14:53 |
| yofel | penguin42: https://ubuntuone.com/ | 14:53 |
| BluesKaj | yofel, when is that scheduled ? | 14:54 |
| yofel | BluesKaj: July 23rd - in 4 days ;) | 14:54 |
| penguin42 | yofel: Ah, like Me or whatever Apple calls it.... | 14:54 |
| BluesKaj | ok thanks, yofel | 14:54 |
| yofel | BluesKaj: next time just look at the release schedule in the topic :P | 14:55 |
| penguin42 | currently it's better than it was - still has a few flakinesses; I've had one boot where Network manager didn't start, and last night it wouldn't let me hibernate - and it still has the sound glitching that came in Jaunty (or was it Intrepid?) | 14:56 |
| yofel | and what idiot added 'ubuntuone-client-gnome' to ubuntu-desktop when the repos version is broken??? | 14:56 |
| Hobbsee | yofel: one of the guys (or girls) that has root on your system. | 15:04 |
| Hobbsee | so, beware of calling them idiots | 15:04 |
| BluesKaj | I prefer to shut everything off at night before hitting the sack , so im wondering if anyone else has encountered shutdown problems ? | 15:04 |
| Hobbsee | BluesKaj: it doesn't. sudo halt ftw. | 15:04 |
| yofel | Hobbsee: sry | 15:05 |
| Hobbsee | BluesKaj: i assume you mean the one where quit re-logs you into your session? | 15:05 |
| * Hobbsee tosses ubuntuone off her box, while she remembers | 15:05 | |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: Last night the only options selectable in the dialog were hibernate and suspend - I couldn't select shutdown; and hibernate didn't hibernate; I ended up doing a shutdown -h now from command line | 15:06 |
| BluesKaj | Hobbsee , no the normal shut down options dialog doesn't pop up. | 15:06 |
| BluesKaj | Hobbsee, I exited from the TTY | 15:07 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 15:08 |
| penguin42 | The other minor oddity I have since the last update is that an old build of Rhythmbox I've got is mis-showing the icon on the panel - it has a black edge around it almost like it was ignoring the mask | 15:09 |
| BluesKaj | penguin42, but your shutdown options dialog did show up, I didn't get any :P | 15:11 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: Yeh from the system->Shutdown menu option | 15:11 |
| * Ng wonders if there's a smarter way to install karmic to a USB stick than downloading a CD, burning it and running a normal install | 15:11 | |
| BluesKaj | different probs show up differently depending on your upgrades I guess | 15:12 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: I guess so - I wish there was a way to even some of it out so an upgraded machine was closer to a fresh install - except of course the bits you don't want to be :-) | 15:12 |
| Hobbsee | Ng: yeah, there's a tool? | 15:14 |
| BluesKaj | well penguin42 , thank goodness for small mercies as the saying goes...at least now palsma seems to holding up , no crashes for 2 days here :) | 15:14 |
| Hobbsee | Ng: system, admin, usb creator? | 15:14 |
| Ng | Hobbsee: ohh, I wondered what that was. good point, ta :) | 15:14 |
| Ng | oh | 15:14 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: plasma is KDE? | 15:14 |
| Hobbsee | Ng: heh :) | 15:14 |
| Ng | except I am doing this to get a different arch :( | 15:14 |
| Hobbsee | Ng: then you're on your own, methinks. | 15:15 |
| Hobbsee | Ng: live cd, a vm with the correct arch, and use the same tool? | 15:15 |
| * penguin42 should try KDE again, I haven't on the karmic world | 15:15 | |
| Hobbsee | Ng: or even sans vm,if that works bette - i think it's on the livecd | 15:15 |
| * yofel thought the arch had nothing to do with usb-creator o.O | 15:15 | |
| yofel | cool, now gnome-do is using 190% cpu o.O | 15:17 |
| BluesKaj | yeah penguin42 , I'm running kde 4.3 | 15:17 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: Ah, I'm on Gnome - so it sounds like there is something screwed in whatever the common bit is | 15:18 |
| CosmiChaos | what? | 15:19 |
| BluesKaj | penguin42, I ran gnome a couple of yrs back , is it still brown and orange ? :) | 15:20 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: Hey I've got a tasteful background | 15:20 |
| yofel | BluesKaj: by default yes, but you don't use the kde default theme either, or do you? | 15:20 |
| BluesKaj | <--- old windows guy ...used to the blue stuff | 15:21 |
| yofel | heh, my gnome theme is blue as well :P | 15:21 |
| yofel | but looks much better than windows XD | 15:21 |
| * penguin42 just has the default theme but selected one of the other wallpapers - nothing exciting there | 15:22 | |
| BluesKaj | yofel no, i'm using a glassified oxygen sand&green theme | 15:23 |
| yofel | penguin42: nodoka with darkroom border in blue and oxygen icons ;) http://imagebin.ca/view/Juvf69I.html | 15:25 |
| penguin42 | nice | 15:25 |
| BluesKaj | mine http://imagebin.ca/view/mvZmMsM.html | 15:28 |
| penguin42 | mine is boring, I won't bother | 15:29 |
| BluesKaj | gotta luv imagebin | 15:29 |
| BluesKaj | aww c'mon penguin42 , share with us , mine is pretty mundane | 15:30 |
| penguin42 | ok, ok | 15:30 |
| * penguin42 uploads | 15:31 | |
| penguin42 | http://www.treblig.org/pics/Screenshot.png | 15:32 |
| penguin42 | it may look a little odd - since it's dual head, vertically stacked (or at least as far as X is concerned) | 15:32 |
| BUGabundo | Hobbsee: ehhehhe | 15:36 |
| BUGabundo | yofel: yeah I got that crazy DO too | 15:37 |
| BUGabundo | PPA version fixed it fro me | 15:37 |
| penguin42 | DO seems OK for me | 15:37 |
| soc | hi, i'm experiencing problems with dpkg update ... | 15:37 |
| soc | i didn't find any buf for it on launchpad | 15:37 |
| soc | pastebin.com/m2454e4be | 15:37 |
| soc | http://www.pastebin.com/m2454e4be | 15:38 |
| yofel | do is ok here too after I killed and restarted it | 15:38 |
| soc | this is the problem i'm having ... | 15:38 |
| penguin42 | soc: You got plenty of free disc space? | 15:38 |
| soc | penguin42: not plenty ... | 15:41 |
| soc | a bit more than 1gb i guess ... | 15:42 |
| soc | for /, for /home i got dozens of free spac e | 15:42 |
| penguin42 | should be enough - hmm | 15:42 |
| penguin42 | soc: You could try deleting the dpkg file in /var/cache/apt/archives and try redownloading | 15:43 |
| BUGabundo | how come I haven't got a single update today?!?! | 15:47 |
| BUGabundo | we aren't on free, yet, are we? | 15:47 |
| BUGabundo | !3 only comes out the next thurdays | 15:48 |
| ubottu | Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 15:48 |
| penguin42 | I did an apt-get update and there were a handful more there | 15:48 |
| penguin42 | libc and something else | 15:48 |
| soc | penguin42: i tried that already :-( | 15:48 |
| penguin42 | hmm, tried dpkg -i on the file in there to try and install it by hand? | 15:49 |
| BluesKaj | BUGabundo, I was wondering the same thing earlier , not even one , I had 20 "gets" but no updates | 15:49 |
| BUGabundo | penguin42: what's up | 15:49 |
| BUGabundo | ? | 15:49 |
| penguin42 | not much - mostly OK | 15:50 |
| BUGabundo | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=589024#c2 | 15:51 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 589024 in Views: All "View mode always changes to Icons" [Normal,Needinfo] | 15:51 |
| BUGabundo | yofel: can you coment on that ? | 15:51 |
| Hobbsee | BUGabundo: people probably had a weekend off? | 15:51 |
| Hobbsee | BUGabundo: and thee have been a few updates - just obviously not to what you've installed | 15:51 |
| BUGabundo | Hobbsee: and since this is a fresh install | 15:52 |
| BUGabundo | I only have 14k package in the DB | 15:52 |
| Hobbsee | that would do it | 15:53 |
| yofel | BUGabundo: done | 15:56 |
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| soc | does anyone have an idea? | 15:57 |
| Hobbsee | soc: pastebin's expired. | 15:59 |
| jpds | I have ideas.... but they probably won't help you. | 15:59 |
| jpds | And what Hobbsee said. | 15:59 |
| soc | penguin42: http://pastebin.com/m45727443 here is it again ... | 16:01 |
| kernco | I'm trying to remove ubuntu-desktop, after installing kubuntu-desktop | 16:52 |
| kernco | sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop only remove that one package, and sudo apt-get autoremove after that doesn't do anything | 16:52 |
| kernco | And if I do apt-cache depends ubuntu-desktop and remove all those packages, some are ones kubuntu-desktop depends on too, so it cascades and basically wants to remove my entire system | 16:53 |
| BluesKaj | kernco, do you still have the gnome option at login ? | 16:56 |
| BluesKaj | kernco, check this : http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde | 16:57 |
| kernco | BluesKaj, I haven't logged out yet, but I'm almost positive I do. It hasn't remove anything from my system other than the ubuntu-desktop metapackage | 16:57 |
| kernco | BluesKaj, that's for 9.04, so there's probably going to be some packages added in 9.10 that will still be around. I guess it's a start, though | 16:59 |
| BUGabundo | kenyon: try aptitude | 17:03 |
| BluesKaj | kernco, if the pkges are missing , the tutorial states that the settings are retained. It's just a matter of reinstalling the apps | 17:04 |
| BUGabundo | I've seen it trying to remove all non necessary depencies | 17:04 |
| BUGabundo | or try compuer janitor | 17:04 |
| arand | BUGabundo: btw does c-janitor klear out old kernels? | 17:05 |
| BUGabundo | yes | 17:05 |
| kernco | I tried aptitude already | 17:05 |
| BUGabundo | or it did at same point | 17:05 |
| BUGabundo | kernco: same thing? | 17:05 |
| BUGabundo | well apt is meant to install.. not clean the system | 17:05 |
| BUGabundo | or you can try orphan something | 17:06 |
| kernco | Yeah, ithe problem is apt just removes packages that were automatically installed to meet dependencies. | 17:06 |
| kernco | So if you do install kubuntu-desktop on top of a system that started as ubuntu, then you can just remove kubuntu-desktop and it will remove everything. | 17:07 |
| BUGabundo | gtkorphan | 17:07 |
| BUGabundo | but you don't want GTK eheh | 17:07 |
| kernco | But since all the ubuntu packages were already installed from the start, it doesn't work. | 17:07 |
| kernco | I think what I'm going to do is get the output of 'apt-cache depends ubuntu-desktop' and 'apt-cache depends kubuntu-desktop' and then remove only the packages that appear in ubuntu-desktop | 17:08 |
| BUGabundo | kernco: try gtkorphan 1st | 17:09 |
| kernco | BUGabundo: That only found about 10 orphaned packages | 17:12 |
| BUGabundo | run it again !? | 17:12 |
| BUGabundo | its like CJ | 17:12 |
| BUGabundo | needs several runs! | 17:13 |
| kernco | I did | 17:13 |
| BUGabundo | also start removing packages and that will increase | 17:13 |
| penguin42 | CJ is a bit over enthusiastic sometimes - e.g. packages you've installed by dpkg -i it often tries to remove | 17:13 |
| BUGabundo | penguin42: true | 17:14 |
| BUGabundo | but YOU have to be sure what you want to remove | 17:14 |
| penguin42 | nod | 17:15 |
| penguin42 | still, it is convenient as you say - especially for removing old kernels | 17:16 |
| BUGabundo | I usually remove them by hand on synaptic | 17:17 |
| BUGabundo | while installing new ones | 17:17 |
| BUGabundo | but anyone running devel versions knows that | 17:17 |
| BUGabundo | we gather a bunch of them | 17:18 |
| penguin42 | nod | 17:18 |
| kernco | I think I got most of them | 17:23 |
| drazter | hi, the koala seems to have major graphic driver problem, after i installed recommended drivers and restarted it it freezed as a black and green screen with shattered pixels and 4-5 ubuntu logos | 17:53 |
| drazter | i have a ATI graphics card | 17:53 |
| drazter | any ideas? | 17:53 |
| rski | ati :) | 17:53 |
| drazter | :D | 17:53 |
| BUGabundo | drazter: try the drivers in the PPA | 17:54 |
| drazter | ATI Radeon HD 3200 :) on x64 koala release on hp 6735s laptop | 17:55 |
| drazter | also .. drag and drop items doesnt work on taskbar | 17:57 |
| BUGabundo | did It ever? | 17:57 |
| drazter | dunno it worked on jaunty, and i just got the koala | 17:58 |
| drazter | also.. Places / Computer doesnt work.. (it worked ) but it broke down | 17:58 |
| yofel | drazter: places / computer: remove any package that has ubuntuone in it | 18:01 |
| BUGabundo | yofel: stop asking user to remove U1 | 18:01 |
| BUGabundo | its meant to be part of Koala and Canonical strategy | 18:02 |
| BUGabundo | if it is broken it will be fixed | 18:02 |
| yofel | ok, will do | 18:02 |
| drazter | well im pretty impressed so far.. | 18:02 |
| BUGabundo | at least mention the bug, and explain what's happening and that users should consider to add it back when fixed | 18:02 |
| drazter | even though its alpha.. its a lot faster.. | 18:03 |
| drazter | loading ~20 sec .. :) | 18:03 |
| drazter | and flawless sound.. | 18:03 |
| penguin42 | yeh I think it's doing parallel initialisation of some devices and I think Gnome is a bit faster | 18:03 |
| penguin42 | drazter: I wish I had the flawless sound | 18:03 |
| drazter | whats wrong with your sound? | 18:04 |
| penguin42 | clicks and pops | 18:04 |
| drazter | ah | 18:04 |
| drazter | i fixed that | 18:04 |
| penguin42 | how? | 18:04 |
| drazter | what player ? | 18:04 |
| drazter | are you using? | 18:04 |
| penguin42 | rhythmbox | 18:05 |
| drazter | well | 18:05 |
| drazter | try vlc | 18:05 |
| drazter | sudo apt-get install vlc | 18:05 |
| * penguin42 is reasonably sure it's a generic pulse problem | 18:05 | |
| penguin42 | or pulse+kernel | 18:05 |
| drazter | no.. its the player | 18:05 |
| drazter | i got clicks and pops also | 18:05 |
| drazter | but i changed my players output | 18:05 |
| drazter | From ALSA to UNIX OSS audio output.. and after that it was awsome | 18:06 |
| penguin42 | drazter: Ah well that's because by changing it to OSS you probably made it bypass pulse | 18:07 |
| penguin42 | pulse intercepts alsa | 18:07 |
| BluesKaj | drazter, penguin42 , yeah I gave up on amarok and rhythmbox and xmms2 ...they all had problems , but so far so good with VLC | 18:08 |
| BUGabundo | 19 sec boot here WOOT | 18:08 |
| drazter | yeah | 18:08 |
| drazter | ~20 sec here | 18:08 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: I'd bet it's a case of them going through pulse though | 18:09 |
| BUGabundo | penguin42: you need to try diff PA modes | 18:09 |
| drazter | dunno, but im listening some HQ electronics @1000+ bitrate ( Kraftwerk ) on my HQ AKG headphones .. and its flawless.. | 18:09 |
| penguin42 | BUGabundo: I've tried lots of them | 18:09 |
| penguin42 | BUGabundo: I think pulse is just trying to be too ambitious with it's real time requirements to be honest | 18:09 |
| BUGabundo | penguin42: have you filed a bug and pinged dtchen on it? | 18:09 |
| BUGabundo | right now: true | 18:09 |
| penguin42 | BUGabundo: Yep, he's been following it for a while | 18:10 |
| BUGabundo | ok | 18:10 |
| penguin42 | BUGabundo: Have you any idea why we don't run with preemption in the kernel? | 18:10 |
| BUGabundo | then its way above my role :) | 18:10 |
| Twigathy | Is that 19 seconds from BIOS or from grub? | 18:10 |
| BluesKaj | well penguin42 , I'm not sure about the pulse audio debate , thought it had to do with the alsa/pulse configuration , but I'm still confused about the culprit | 18:10 |
| penguin42 | BUGabundo: Frustrating thing is it worked solid a few versions ago and then it broke | 18:10 |
| BUGabundo | Twigathy: from bootchart :) | 18:11 |
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| BUGabundo | let me get it | 18:11 |
| Twigathy | oh | 18:11 |
| Twigathy | I don't know if I can use bootchart or not. Silly setup fail. c_c | 18:11 |
| Twigathy | What does it require? /boot with some space on it? | 18:11 |
| drazter | hmm folders settings aren't being remembered? | 18:13 |
| drazter | :D | 18:13 |
| BUGabundo | Twigathy: http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Linux/bootchart/karmic/blubug-karmic-20090718-2.png.php | 18:14 |
| BUGabundo | drazter: just filed that bug | 18:14 |
| BUGabundo | Twigathy: sudo apt-get install bootchart-java OR pybootchart | 18:14 |
| BUGabundo | and some disk space on /var/log/bootchart | 18:14 |
| Twigathy | ok | 18:15 |
| Twigathy | I'd be interested to see what mine does :) | 18:15 |
| Twigathy | In fact, I'll reboot to linux, install bootchart and reboot again. brb. :D | 18:15 |
| Twigathy | (Am in windowz playing games c_c) | 18:15 |
| drazter | Windows works better on ubuntu virtualboxed than originally installed :D:D:D:D | 18:16 |
| BUGabundo | Twigathy: http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Linux/bootchart/karmic/blubug-karmic-20090718-1.png.php?z&p=full-image | 18:16 |
| BUGabundo | Twigathy: also AFTER try to profile your boot | 18:16 |
| * penguin42 is also getting momentary screen blanks - very odd | 18:16 | |
| drazter | This is Linux land ! In silent nights you can hear Windows machines rebooting! :D:D | 18:17 |
| BUGabundo | drazter: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=589024 | 18:17 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 589024 in Views: All "View mode always changes to Icons" [Normal,Needinfo] | 18:17 |
| BUGabundo | penguin42: yeah I get that too | 18:18 |
| penguin42 | BUGabundo: Have you got a bug for it? | 18:18 |
| BUGabundo | like screensaver kicks in after just a few secs | 18:18 |
| BUGabundo | penguin42: no | 18:18 |
| penguin42 | is just finding I'm typing a way and it blanks - but not locking | 18:18 |
| BUGabundo | yep | 18:18 |
| yofel | BUGabundo: do you have something like gvfs-metadata? I don't | 18:19 |
| penguin42 | are you on intel graphics or something else? | 18:19 |
| BUGabundo | nothing | 18:20 |
| BUGabundo | just replied to it | 18:20 |
| drazter | nope no gvfs-metadata here also.. | 18:20 |
| BUGabundo | penguin42: nvidia | 18:20 |
| penguin42 | BUGabundo: Hmph, not intel xserver then - any idea what to file it against? | 18:20 |
| * BUGabundo should begin to learn to use REPLY on bugzilla.gnome.org :( | 18:21 | |
| BUGabundo | penguin42: GPM ? | 18:21 |
| penguin42 | why GPM? | 18:21 |
| Twigathy | BUGabundo: well, it's installing bootchart now.... =) | 18:21 |
| Twigathy | update-initramfs takes forever c_c | 18:21 |
| BUGabundo | Twigathy: choose either java or python | 18:21 |
| Twigathy | yup, installed the -java package | 18:21 |
| BUGabundo | Twigathy: old versions had a few bugs with python | 18:21 |
| BUGabundo | should be fixed now | 18:21 |
| Twigathy | cool | 18:22 |
| BUGabundo | and bring much less cruft | 18:22 |
| penguin42 | BUGabundo: Want to join me on bug 401441 then? | 18:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 401441 in ubuntu "Screenblanks while in use" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/401441 | 18:25 |
| * penguin42 pats ubottu | 18:25 | |
| BUGabundo | yep | 18:25 |
| BUGabundo | penguin42: ahaha | 18:25 |
| penguin42 | aha? | 18:26 |
| * Twigathy should get rid of some of his old kernels... got a 2.6.27-something in there >_< | 18:26 | |
| BUGabundo | penguin42: no package? | 18:26 |
| BUGabundo | come on! do you want it be left there to rote? | 18:26 |
| penguin42 | BUGabundo: Which package do you reckon? | 18:26 |
| * BUGabundo slaps Twigathy for wasting space! it's a rare commodity ! | 18:26 | |
| penguin42 | That's why I asked if you had it on Intel graphics, I can't even assign to xserver-intel which normally takes most of my abuse | 18:26 |
| BUGabundo | penguin42: either GPM or screensaver manager | 18:27 |
| Twigathy | on a 256MB /boot, yes, it is... >_< | 18:27 |
| Twigathy | ahha, finished... time to reboot to let it generate a logfile-thingy | 18:27 |
| penguin42 | BUGabundo: OK, I've flipped it to gnome-screensaver; either they'll fess up to it or flame me crispy | 18:28 |
| BUGabundo | daqrn | 18:28 |
| BUGabundo | I was doingit too | 18:28 |
| BUGabundo | that's why LP blew | 18:28 |
| penguin42 | Slllloooow | 18:28 |
| penguin42 | :-) | 18:28 |
| Twigathy | woo | 18:28 |
| BUGabundo | Twigathy: how long? | 18:29 |
| Twigathy | er, some... | 18:29 |
| Twigathy | oh cool, it made the PNG itself... | 18:29 |
| BUGabundo | Twigathy: I meant time to boot!! | 18:29 |
| BUGabundo | yep | 18:29 |
| BUGabundo | post it NOW | 18:29 |
| BUGabundo | we want to see | 18:29 |
| Twigathy | two sec | 18:29 |
| BUGabundo | err | 18:29 |
| BUGabundo | 1 | 18:29 |
| BUGabundo | 2 | 18:30 |
| Twigathy | >_< | 18:30 |
| BUGabundo | its over | 18:30 |
| drazter | :D | 18:30 |
| * BUGabundo wonders if there is any stats bot for #ubuntu+1 | 18:30 | |
| Twigathy | www.twigathy.com/corona-karmic-20090719-1.png | 18:30 |
| andresmujica | bugabundo: http://ubuntustats.dnsalias.net/ | 18:31 |
| Twigathy | enjoy my hacky 0 disk utilisation for most of boot ;) | 18:31 |
| andresmujica | hmm.. not for ubuntu+1 thou :/ | 18:31 |
| Twigathy | ipconfig takes 2.5 seconds? man. :/ | 18:31 |
| BUGabundo | thanks andre | 18:32 |
| BUGabundo | thanks andresmujica | 18:32 |
| Twigathy | BUGabundo: my chart is there - time was 20secs :) | 18:32 |
| BUGabundo | Twigathy: try to profile it | 18:32 |
| Twigathy | how do I do that? | 18:32 |
| BUGabundo | on grub at boot (one time only) | 18:32 |
| BUGabundo | edit it, and add "profile" to the end of the kernel stanza | 18:32 |
| Twigathy | okay... what'll that do? Spit out another logfile or...? | 18:33 |
| BUGabundo | Twigathy: order files on boot. making it faster | 18:33 |
| Twigathy | ah, nifty... | 18:33 |
| BUGabundo | I've seen gains of 5 secs | 18:33 |
| Twigathy | I will reboot again. (and again after the profile, I guess). brb. :) | 18:33 |
| andresmujica | bugabundo: adding ubuntu+1 | 18:33 |
| BUGabundo | oops andresmujica. | 18:34 |
| BUGabundo | I'm #1 there and don't even talk much there :\\\ | 18:34 |
| BUGabundo | 6740 lines , 39508 words | 18:35 |
| BUGabundo | darn | 18:35 |
| BUGabundo | andresmujica: how do I get my pic there?! | 18:35 |
| andresmujica | :) | 18:35 |
| andresmujica | point me to the link and i'll add it | 18:35 |
| andresmujica | well if i can manage to access the server... | 18:36 |
| Twigathy | BUGabundo: I assume when I appended 'profile' bootchart didn't run at all? Or do I need to tell it to run per-boot? :S | 18:36 |
| BUGabundo | Twigathy: not sure. I've seen versions of bootchart that skip on profile | 18:37 |
| BUGabundo | and some that work | 18:37 |
| BUGabundo | if it doesn't run, just reboot again | 18:37 |
| Twigathy | also: now that profile has been run, what did it change? | 18:37 |
| BUGabundo | order of files on disk | 18:37 |
| BluesKaj | takes over a minute from grub to wallpaper on my setup | 18:37 |
| BluesKaj | including login pw etc | 18:38 |
| BUGabundo | BluesKaj: pics or it didn't happen :) | 18:39 |
| BluesKaj | BUGabundo, ?? | 18:39 |
| BUGabundo | BluesKaj: get bootchart and then let me know, so we can hack it to mesure post login | 18:39 |
| BUGabundo | like I do | 18:39 |
| BluesKaj | post login ok | 18:39 |
| penguin42 | is profile a kernelism or something else? | 18:40 |
| BluesKaj | which bootchart ? | 18:40 |
| BluesKaj | java or gui? | 18:40 |
| BluesKaj | python it is, not ajava fan | 18:41 |
| Twigathy | nope, still 20 seconds :) | 18:42 |
| BUGabundo | ohh | 18:43 |
| BUGabundo | ok now lets hack it a bit | 18:43 |
| BUGabundo | Twigathy: open $ gksu gedit /etc/rc5.d/S99stop-bootchart | 18:44 |
| BUGabundo | on line 41 add a sleep | 18:44 |
| BUGabundo | sleep 30; | 18:45 |
| BUGabundo | I have 30 but you can play with it | 18:45 |
| BUGabundo | I used to have 90 :)) | 18:45 |
| BUGabundo | Twigathy: then reboot | 18:45 |
| BUGabundo | hey arpu | 18:45 |
| Twigathy | brb then :) | 18:45 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, last time I did "profile", it actually made it take LONGER to boot! | 18:46 |
| DanaG | ... because it precached files it really didn't need to precache. | 18:46 |
| Twigathy | loo | 18:47 |
| Twigathy | l | 18:47 |
| Twigathy | BUGabundo: http://twigathy.com/corona-karmic-20090719-3.png | 18:48 |
| DanaG | loo? | 18:49 |
| DanaG | =þ | 18:49 |
| Le-Chuck_ITA | Heya | 18:49 |
| BUGabundo | DanaG: it takes longer on the 1st boot | 18:49 |
| DanaG | My latest boot: http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/EliteBook-karmic-20090719-1.png | 18:49 |
| BUGabundo | then should be faster | 18:49 |
| DanaG | I mean, it actually made ALL boots take longer. | 18:49 |
| BUGabundo | DanaG: strange | 18:49 |
| DanaG | Increased the readahead-list time without reducing the other time. | 18:49 |
| BUGabundo | purge the ..... package | 18:50 |
| Le-Chuck_ITA | I am in contact with the kile developers for the infamous spell-checker bug and I need to tell them the right way to compile a package in ubuntu | 18:50 |
| Le-Chuck_ITA | I usually do | 18:50 |
| BUGabundo | and reisntall | 18:50 |
| penguin42 | readahead-list is depressing | 18:50 |
| * penguin42 wonders how you tune what's in that | 18:50 | |
| Le-Chuck_ITA | (sorry for multiline!) apt-get source kile; apt-get build-dep kile; cd kile..... ; debian/rules binary | 18:50 |
| Le-Chuck_ITA | I am sure the latter is stupid | 18:50 |
| DanaG | Hmm, so how can I speed up my boot? | 18:52 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, and I gave up on the UEFI booting -- the kernel refused to load the initramfs. | 18:52 |
| DanaG | And I got odd things like: /proc/cmdline: no such file or directory | 18:52 |
| BUGabundo | DanaG: love to see your boot hang for 3 secs | 18:52 |
| * penguin42 finds /etc/readahead I wonder how/what is supposed to maintain that | 18:52 | |
| BUGabundo | DanaG: I reduced from 1:40 to 28 reinstaling | 18:53 |
| DanaG | why the heck is there an ipconfig started by udev? | 18:53 |
| BUGabundo | Twigathy: 18 secs boots now! | 18:54 |
| Twigathy | lol | 18:54 |
| Le-Chuck_ITA | BUGabundo: is this with or without login? | 18:54 |
| Twigathy | I don't think I could get mine down without taking out some services | 18:54 |
| Twigathy | (mpd + mpdscribble, nfs mounts ...) | 18:55 |
| Twigathy | mdadm seems to take a while too | 18:55 |
| DanaG | hmm, what can I do to speed up my boot? | 18:55 |
| BUGabundo | andresmujica: http://img.bugabundo.net/eyetumb64.png | 18:55 |
| DanaG | ... and what's with that 3-second delay? | 18:55 |
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| BUGabundo | DanaG: no idea. but I've seen it on several boots | 18:55 |
| BUGabundo | Le-Chuck_ITA: depends on the hacked version you are looking at | 18:56 |
| * penguin42 wonders why readahead-list is done on it's own rather than in parallel with other stuff | 18:56 | |
| DanaG | /var/lib/dpkg/info/rsyslog.postinst: line 70: local: can only be used in a function | 18:57 |
| Le-Chuck_ITA | BUGabundo: I mean the 18 secs | 18:57 |
| * Le-Chuck_ITA wonders why one should install postfix with devscripts... | 18:57 | |
| penguin42 | DanaG: I'd try disabling S01readahead and see what difference it actually made - now it might actually be slower or slower when it gets into teh desktop | 18:57 |
| syn-ack | Le-Chuck_ITA, You wonder quite a bit, dont ya? :P | 18:58 |
| Le-Chuck_ITA | syn-ack: i do :) | 18:58 |
| Le-Chuck_ITA | syn-ack: you can't imagine how many sub-wonderings about postfix I have in mind | 18:58 |
| syn-ack | How goes it this fine day, everyone? | 18:58 |
| * DanaG tries it... | 18:58 | |
| syn-ack | Le-Chuck_ITA, Considering its Postfix, yes I can | 18:58 |
| syn-ack | I love Postfix but man it can be quite a b**CH to get running nicely | 18:59 |
| penguin42 | most of the mta's are the same - with different bits being hard | 19:00 |
| Le-Chuck_ITA | syn-ack: but fundamentally, I don't absolutely need postfix on my laptop and *am not going to* configure my mail server with authentication into it | 19:02 |
| syn-ack | hehehe\ | 19:02 |
| DanaG | http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/EliteBook-karmic-20090719-2.png | 19:03 |
| DanaG | Took longer. | 19:03 |
| DanaG | Hmm, any other ideas? | 19:03 |
| BUGabundo | DanaG: get a faster disk :) | 19:04 |
| BUGabundo | ohh remove usplash | 19:05 |
| penguin42 | cupsd seems to be taking a second or two to startup - do you remote print to it? | 19:05 |
| BUGabundo | DanaG: your modprob is killing the boot | 19:05 |
| BUGabundo | ntfs??? | 19:06 |
| BUGabundo | lose that | 19:06 |
| BUGabundo | DanaG: using 3G? | 19:06 |
| cPF | has someone seen putty sessions hanging open when exiting on Ubuntu karmic? the SSH process goes "defunct" | 19:06 |
| BUGabundo | modem manager / nm is making the system wait a bit too | 19:06 |
| DanaG | Nope, no 3G modem. | 19:06 |
| BUGabundo | cPF: putty? on a system with native SSh? | 19:06 |
| DanaG | Why is putty even starting as a daemon? | 19:07 |
| BUGabundo | DanaG: any form of modem required? | 19:07 |
| cPF | BUGabundo: putty on remote side and ubuntu as server, i had the suspicion it is ecryptfs related | 19:07 |
| DanaG | Nope, not really. | 19:07 |
| BUGabundo | DanaG: you may be able to loose MM and then gain 2 secs | 19:07 |
| cPF | secondly processes don't terminate when i press ctrl+c, or even with plain killall (tail -100f messages for example) | 19:09 |
| penguin42 | cPF: do they die on a kill -9 of that process? | 19:09 |
| cPF | yes | 19:10 |
| cPF | i wonder if it is just me | 19:10 |
| DanaG | gotta' go for now. | 19:10 |
| cPF | i have plain /etc/inputrc so that's not the issue.. it used to work | 19:11 |
| penguin42 | cPF: Well I can ctrl-c from an ssh to my own box | 19:12 |
| cPF | ok | 19:12 |
| penguin42 | (just tried with the tail -f /var/log/messages | 19:12 |
| cPF | ok, now i see that the putty hanging is PAM related | 19:27 |
| cPF | works after disabling PAM in sshd_config | 19:27 |
| penguin42 | odd | 19:27 |
| DreadKnight | how do i set up autologin in karmic? | 19:29 |
| cPF | manually in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf | 19:29 |
| DreadKnight | argh >_< thanks cPF | 19:30 |
| DreadKnight | not cool | 19:30 |
| cPF | graphical config was removed due to upgrading gdm | 19:30 |
| DreadKnight | i've noticed | 19:30 |
| DreadKnight | linux.... all about the regressions :D | 19:30 |
| BUGabundo | DreadKnight: AFAIK you can't, via GUI | 19:31 |
| BUGabundo | DreadKnight: s/linux/floss devel/ | 19:31 |
| DreadKnight | BUGabundo, yup :3 | 19:31 |
| cPF | it seems they are introducing more bugs as the release date closes in | 19:33 |
| DreadKnight | cPF, it's always like that indeed | 19:33 |
| cPF | this ctrl+c bug is so annoying | 19:33 |
| cPF | what does it say when you type "stty"? | 19:35 |
| cPF | i have -brkint -imaxbel | 19:35 |
| cPF | which seems wrong? | 19:36 |
| cPF | never had this bad regression in the unstable gentoo land :P | 19:37 |
| andresmujica | bugabundo: done http://ubuntustats.dnsalias.net/ubuntu+1.html | 19:57 |
| BUGabundo | woot | 19:58 |
| BUGabundo | d'oh | 19:58 |
| BUGabundo | now there are only TWO avatares andresmujica LOLOL | 19:58 |
| BUGabundo | hooo a first pic of Hobbsee !! | 19:59 |
| BUGabundo | guys we need more avatar pics from YOU to fill in at http://ubuntustats.dnsalias.net/ubuntu+1.html | 20:04 |
| BUGabundo | kklimonda: syn-ack penguin42 dupondje yofel Twigathy BluesKaj ^^^^^^^^^^ | 20:05 |
| syn-ack | BUGabundo, Looking for a pic right now. | 20:05 |
| syn-ack | BUGabundo, I'm still trying to get opensync to play nicely with my winmo PDA | 20:06 |
| BUGabundo | I was going to say I don't remember syn-ack talking too much, bit then I remember it was from just today | 20:06 |
| * BUGabundo headslap | 20:06 | |
| syn-ack | heh | 20:06 |
| BUGabundo | syn-ack: I like wammy better | 20:06 |
| syn-ack | wammy? | 20:06 |
| syn-ack | Details man, Details. :P | 20:07 |
| BUGabundo | wammu | 20:07 |
| Twigathy | meep | 20:07 |
| BUGabundo | !info wammu | 20:07 |
| BUGabundo | !info gammu | 20:07 |
| ubottu | wammu (source: wammu): GTK application to control your mobile phone. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.30.1-2 (karmic), package size 542 kB, installed size 2172 kB | 20:07 |
| ubottu | gammu (source: gammu): mobile phone management utility. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.24.0-1 (karmic), package size 273 kB, installed size 712 kB | 20:07 |
| syn-ack | And that will work with Windows Mobile? | 20:07 |
| BUGabundo | try it and let us know | 20:08 |
| BUGabundo | I don't have any win machine :) | 20:08 |
| syn-ack | HAH | 20:08 |
| syn-ack | all you had to do was say "I dont know but we do need a tester." :P | 20:08 |
| Twigathy | BUGabundo: well http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/v227/1381/37/n284000736_5609.jpg is my facebook profile image >_< | 20:08 |
| Twigathy | I don't think there are pictures of me where I don't look drunk, stoned or generally bad c_c | 20:09 |
| BUGabundo | ahahaahah | 20:09 |
| Twigathy | Then at the other extreme is SUPER HIGH RES graduation photo which isn't terribly flattering either: http://twigathy.com/Grad-blah.jpeg | 20:10 |
| Twigathy | </offtopic> :D | 20:10 |
| BUGabundo | true | 20:11 |
| * BUGabundo laughs at Twigathy mini eyebrows | 20:11 | |
| Twigathy | c_c | 20:11 |
| BUGabundo | did you burn them on a chemist class ?! hehhe | 20:12 |
| Twigathy | Vaguely more on-topic... does anybody here use twitux? It seems to have totally stopped doing anything useful recently | 20:12 |
| Twigathy | pass, I don't know :o they are just blonde-coloured, so very feint | 20:12 |
| Giles | I am trying to write a data DVD in brasero, with karmic | 20:49 |
| Giles | It doesn't seem to detect my DVD writer, so I ran brasero with -g | 20:49 |
| Giles | That wasn't really much help to me. | 20:50 |
| Giles | What would some good diagnostic steps to take be? | 20:50 |
| BUGabundo | Giles: known bug | 20:53 |
| Giles | BUGabundo: is there a workaround? | 20:53 |
| BUGabundo | not sure | 20:54 |
| BUGabundo | look at LP for the bug | 20:54 |
| BUGabundo | I don't have it with me | 20:54 |
| Giles | BUGabundo: I don't know what bug# it would be, nor what you mean by LP. | 20:54 |
| dupondje | hi guys :D | 20:56 |
| Giles | hi dupondje | 20:57 |
| dupondje | damn, sound is death again :P | 20:59 |
| BUGabundo | !launchpad | Gilles | 21:02 |
| ubottu | Gilles: Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/ | 21:02 |
| BUGabundo | dupondje: 50% of my boots end with sound muted | 21:02 |
| BUGabundo | I haven't found a reason for it | 21:02 |
| Giles | BUGabundo: Which bug were you referring to? | 21:04 |
| BUGabundo | !launchpad | Gilles | 21:04 |
| dupondje | argh, I can't start pulseaudio manually anymore :( | 21:04 |
| BUGabundo | dupondje: $ pulseaudio -k | 21:04 |
| dupondje | upstart starting it ? | 21:04 |
| dupondje | BUGabundo: I know, but its getting restarted by something ;) | 21:04 |
| BUGabundo | do that several times until it dies for good and then auto restart | 21:04 |
| Giles | !launchpad | Giles | 21:05 |
| ubottu | Giles, please see my private message | 21:05 |
| BUGabundo | dupondje: its meant like that | 21:05 |
| BUGabundo | ahahaahah bot | 21:05 |
| BUGabundo | !launchpad > Gilles | 21:05 |
| BUGabundo | doh s/gilles/giles | 21:05 |
| Giles | My name is Giles not Gilles | 21:05 |
| BUGabundo | !launchpad > Giles | 21:05 |
| ubottu | Giles, please see my private message | 21:05 |
| dupondje | BUGabundo: yea ofc, but I would like to get it started with debug | 21:06 |
| BUGabundo | dupondje: there used to be a conf to make PA not auto spawn | 21:06 |
| BUGabundo | dupondje: $ gksu gedit /etc/pulse/client.conf | 21:07 |
| BUGabundo | line 26 to false | 21:07 |
| dupondje | E: alsa-sink.c: ALSA woke us up to write new data to the device, but there was actually nothing to write! | 21:07 |
| dupondje | E: alsa-sink.c: Most likely this is a bug in the ALSA driver 'snd_hda_intel'. Please report this issue to the ALSA developers. | 21:07 |
| dupondje | E: alsa-sink.c: We were woken up with POLLOUT set -- however a subsequent snd_pcm_avail() returned 0 or another value < min_avail. | 21:07 |
| Giles | BUGabundo: ok so LP = Launchpad, now, there are hundreds of bugs there, I have already been using google to try to find someone with the same problem, but wasn't able to find anything specific. | 21:09 |
| BUGabundo | Giles: let me ask around | 21:10 |
| Giles | maybe this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brasero/+bug/293556 | 21:10 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 293556 in brasero "Brasero doesn't recognize usb ARCHOS CDRW" [Low,Incomplete] | 21:10 |
| dupondje | Giles: whats the problem ? | 21:10 |
| Giles | Brasero doesn't recognise my CDRW | 21:11 |
| Giles | I mean DVDRW | 21:11 |
| dupondje | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brasero/+bug/397776 | 21:11 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 397776 in brasero "Unable to find any device" [Low,Incomplete] | 21:11 |
| BUGabundo | hey geser | 21:14 |
| Giles | BUGabundo: well I am using 2.27.4 Also comments in the bug suggest It works when run as root, but it doesn't for me. | 21:18 |
| dupondje | Is it possible to force reload a module | 21:18 |
| dupondje | without needing to reboot ? :P | 21:19 |
| Giles | rmmod | 21:19 |
| Giles | and modprobe | 21:19 |
| dupondje | ERROR: Removing 'snd_hda_intel': Resource temporarily unavailable | 21:19 |
| dupondje | :P | 21:19 |
| Giles | I think you can force it. | 21:20 |
| Giles | -f | 21:20 |
| Giles | its dangerous though | 21:20 |
| cPF | how do you replace config files by the fresh originals? | 21:21 |
| dupondje | doesn't work ;) | 21:21 |
| Giles | dupondje: oh well. | 21:21 |
| Giles | dupondje: its in use probably. | 21:21 |
| Giles | use lsmod | 21:21 |
| dupondje | U can't mean it I will need to reboot ;) | 21:23 |
| Giles | cPF: You can un-install the package using apt-get --purge remove | 21:23 |
| Giles | if thats what you want. | 21:23 |
| cPF | i tried, but it somehow found my old configs | 21:23 |
| cPF | there seems to be a backup somewhere | 21:24 |
| Giles | cPF: not sure then sorry. | 21:24 |
| BUGabundo | cPF: they are on mem, until cleared and not in use | 21:28 |
| BUGabundo | so purge, reboot, reinstall | 21:28 |
| cPF | BUGabundo: pretty sure not.. i'm just trying to restore /etc/ssh/sshd_config and they seem to be in "debconf-db" | 21:31 |
| BUGabundo | stupid PA.... needme to kill it 15 TIMES!!!! darn resistent guy! | 21:31 |
| BUGabundo | cPF: purge is supposed to remove any evidence of it. if it doesn't it's a bug | 21:31 |
| BUGabundo | please file it accordingly | 21:31 |
| dupondje | wtf | 21:38 |
| dupondje | now I have some 'cracking' | 21:38 |
| dupondje | but still no audio :( | 21:38 |
| dupondje | fixed :D | 21:50 |
| dupondje | damn shit ;) | 21:50 |
| ikonia | please control your language | 21:51 |
| dupondje | excuses ikonia :) | 21:51 |
| dupondje | it was the frustration of the moment :) | 21:51 |
| ikonia | please controls it in future | 21:51 |
| DreadKnight | please express your anger. | 21:52 |
| ikonia | DreadKnight: please don't try to provoke, all ubuntu channels have a family friendly/non-cursing policy | 21:53 |
| DreadKnight | my family doesn't hands out on IRC, this place is only for frustrated geeks :D | 21:54 |
| DreadKnight | just messing with you man | 21:54 |
| ikonia | DreadKnight: I'm not joking so :D doesn't help | 21:54 |
| ikonia | DreadKnight: I'm explaining the channel policy to a user, who has politley agreed to it, don't try to change/provoke it | 21:54 |
| DreadKnight | chill out dude xD | 21:55 |
| ikonia | DreadKnight: no, please don't try to provoke things, and doing :D and xD doesn't help. | 21:56 |
| DreadKnight | you're a funny guy :) | 21:57 |
| ikonia | DreadKnight: please drop the topic now, and keep in mind for future reference, don't try to provoke things | 21:58 |
| DreadKnight | "please insert coin to continue...." | 21:58 |
| === geser_ is now known as geser | ||
| BUGabundo | back | 22:10 |
| dupondje | OpenOffice startup image is wrong btw | 22:15 |
| dupondje | OpenOffice 3.0 ... | 22:15 |
| dupondje | its 3.1 ;) | 22:15 |
| BUGabundo | ehehehe | 22:16 |
| BUGabundo | its usual bug | 22:16 |
| BUGabundo | I think that one hit *every* OOo version | 22:16 |
| BUGabundo | what the cli command to list battery and temperature? | 22:44 |
| BUGabundo | I think it was acpi something | 22:44 |
| BUGabundo | btu not working | 22:44 |
| dupondje | sensors :P | 22:44 |
| BUGabundo | nope | 22:46 |
| BUGabundo | but I need to get that and put the applet | 22:47 |
| BUGabundo | this is why I hate to reinstall | 22:47 |
| BUGabundo | everything is missing | 22:47 |
| yofel | BUGabundo: it *is* acpi | 22:47 |
| schristie | how do I change my display brightness? | 22:49 |
| syn-ack | BUGabundo, Thats what kickstarts are for | 22:50 |
| syn-ack | ;) | 22:50 |
| BUGabundo | $ acpi | 22:51 |
| BUGabundo | The program 'acpi' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: bash: acpi: command not found | 22:51 |
| yofel | o.O | 22:51 |
| yofel | that's somewhat... wrong | 22:51 |
| dtchen | acpi was demoted to universe some time ago | 22:51 |
| BUGabundo | hey dtchen. welcome | 22:52 |
| dtchen | hi | 22:53 |
| BUGabundo | dtchen: I think I already asked you this, but why the two volume applets? | 22:54 |
| BUGabundo | and how can I regain the old full control volume levers? | 22:54 |
| BUGabundo | I formated and now I can't see it, so no way to choose MIC from both I have | 22:54 |
| dtchen | BUGabundo: i don't have two volume applets; gnome-volume-control-pulse is no longer in the repository. See the rdepends for it (implying that it has been replaced): | 22:56 |
| dtchen | Version: 2.27.4-0ubuntu2 | 22:57 |
| dtchen | Replaces: gnome-volume-control-pulse | 22:57 |
| dtchen | (that's gnome-media) | 22:57 |
| billybigrigger | i have 2 volume controls | 22:57 |
| dtchen | for a fresh user? | 22:57 |
| billybigrigger | yeah | 22:57 |
| billybigrigger | reinstalled last week | 22:57 |
| dtchen | i don't have access to a gui, so i can't verify it | 22:57 |
| billybigrigger | one looks to be for sound preferences, and the other is volume applet | 22:58 |
| dtchen | BUGabundo: you can still use pavucontrol as a stop-gap measure | 22:58 |
| BUGabundo | dtchen: this is fresh install! just did it on Friday! even live cd add them | 22:59 |
| BUGabundo | dtchen: of course I installed pavu. but I see no way to choose between two mics :/ | 22:59 |
| dtchen | BUGabundo: in the input devices tab? | 23:00 |
| dtchen | are they not listed? | 23:00 |
| BUGabundo | only see monitor internal audio and internal audio dtchen | 23:00 |
| dtchen | BUGabundo: can you pastebin your alsa-info output? | 23:01 |
| BUGabundo | sure | 23:02 |
| BUGabundo | ohh right now I only have one mic plug-in (the on board). the other is from head phones | 23:02 |
| BUGabundo | does that matter dtchen? | 23:02 |
| schristie | so, is there a way in karmic to lower my screen's brightness? | 23:03 |
| schristie | and maybe even get my brightness buttons to work? | 23:03 |
| BUGabundo | schristie: laptop buttons work for me, but the bright applet doesn't. | 23:03 |
| dupondje | can somebody check: open gnome-terminal, open a new tab while in homedir, and the new tab opens dir in / instead of homedir :( | 23:04 |
| BUGabundo | but it does work on the bright configuration | 23:04 |
| BUGabundo | dupondje: I've open a bug for something like that early on karmic | 23:04 |
| dtchen | schristie: there are a couple ways at least if the necessary interfaces are exposed. you _may_ be able to do it via devicekit; you should be able to do it if you install acpi and meddle in /proc | 23:04 |
| dtchen | dupondje: that's a dupe | 23:04 |
| BUGabundo | it changed when opening a new tab from inside another running cli app | 23:05 |
| dtchen | BUGabundo: yes. what sort of headphones are they? usb? | 23:05 |
| BUGabundo | dtchen: nope. jack | 23:05 |
| dtchen | BUGabundo: oh. in that case it shouldn't matter. | 23:05 |
| schristie | dtchen how? | 23:05 |
| dtchen | schristie: "how" to which? | 23:06 |
| billybigrigger | dupondje, when i open a new tab in my home, it opens in my home | 23:06 |
| schristie | dtchen whichever is more likely to work | 23:06 |
| BUGabundo | billybigrigger: but if you open MAN and try again, you won't! !!!!! | 23:07 |
| billybigrigger | man empathy, then open a new tab opens in my home dir | 23:07 |
| BUGabundo | billybigrigger: man nano ; ctrl+t; http://dossy.org/2007/10/character-counting-plugin-for-pidgin/ | 23:08 |
| dtchen | schristie: i have no idea which is more likely to work; you haven't provided any additional hw info. Still, please see /proc/acpi/video/VGA/*/brightness | 23:08 |
| BUGabundo | eerr | 23:08 |
| BUGabundo | billybigrigger: man nano ; ctrl+t; bugabundo@BluBUG:/usr/share/man$ | 23:08 |
| BUGabundo | dtchen: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/401513 | 23:09 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 401513 in alsa-driver "two volume applets in karmic" [Undecided,New] | 23:09 |
| billybigrigger | ahhh | 23:09 |
| billybigrigger | only when you have an app running | 23:09 |
| billybigrigger | ic now :P | 23:09 |
| schristie | dtchen I don't see video under /proc/acpi | 23:11 |
| billybigrigger | BUGabundo, was it you saying you had gotten your webcam working the other day? | 23:11 |
| dtchen | schristie: then you don't have that option available to you. the wiki also has information about hotkey debugging. | 23:12 |
| dupondje | BUGabundo: in alsa-driver ? | 23:12 |
| dtchen | dupondje: that's the default package that the apport hook uses. | 23:13 |
| dtchen | BUGabundo: if you use pavucontrol, it's likely due to the card profile | 23:17 |
| dtchen | BUGabundo: i presume in the configuration tab that you have output analog + input analog selected? | 23:18 |
| dtchen | BUGabundo: the method that always works is definitely suboptimal from a UX perspective: alsamixer | 23:20 |
| dtchen | BUGabundo: namely, the 'Input Source',x elements | 23:20 |
| chrisccoulson | BUGabundo / dtchen - bug 401513 is because we're currently shipping mixer-applet and gnome-volume-control-applet in karmic | 23:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 401513 in alsa-driver "two volume applets in karmic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/401513 | 23:25 |
| chrisccoulson | the mixer-applet will be disabled next time gnome-applets is uploaded | 23:25 |
| dtchen | chrisccoulson: great | 23:28 |
| andresmujica | dtchen,bugabundo just made the dirty work (closing it :P ) | 23:29 |
| tanath | ok, i'm having serious graphical issues right now | 23:29 |
| tanath | even on VTs | 23:29 |
| BUGabundo | dtchen: output analog + input analog yes | 23:29 |
| dupondje | there are alot of issues :( | 23:29 |
| tanath | gah, i can't even read anything | 23:29 |
| dupondje | gvfs for samba broken / aptitude download display broken | 23:30 |
| BUGabundo | andresmujica: I just open that so dtchen would have an update alsa log | 23:30 |
| dtchen | andresmujica: i marked it a dupe | 23:31 |
| === BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo | ||
| tanath | can anyone help me get compiz working? http://pastebin.ca/1500518 | 23:54 |
| tanath | updated with dmesg output: http://pastebin.ca/1500519 | 23:56 |
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