=== le_bilou1e is now known as le_biloute [01:21] problem : local machine running gnome, i can start stuff from the menus, but if i start something from a terminal window i get 'No protocol specified, unable to open display ":0.0"'. wtf? [01:22] m3ga: 1st person to mention it :) [01:23] mention what? [01:23] is this a known bug? [01:24] nope [01:24] you are the 1st to mention it [01:34] hmm, newish gdm thing. "cp /var/run/gdm/auth-for-erikd-XXXXX/database .Xauthority" fixed it. [01:43] gn folks [mv yofel /dev/bed] [01:44] bye [01:56] * BUGabundo stolen from @yofel: gn folks [mv /dev/awake /dev/bed] === BlinkyToon is now known as Don_Miguel [04:14] Waht to say that there is bug in correct install. If you move a symbolic link folder to the wastebin it will delete thefolder contents of the original folder, not remove the symbolic link only. [04:14] wanted to say.... [04:15] can someone report this bug to appropriate area! [04:16] Wanted to say that there is bug in current install. If you move a symbolic link folder say on the desktop and send it to the wastebin, it will delete the folder contents of the original folder, not remove the symbolic link only. [04:45] pushrax: I cannot reproduce this. What Ubuntu version are you using? 9.04 Jaunty Jackalope or maybe 9.10 Karmic Koala? [04:49] pushrax: If this is a bug in the file manager you can report it here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+filebug [05:02] damned dosfsck. [05:02] File size is 1499 bytes, cluster chain length is 0 bytes. [05:02] Truncating file to 0 bytes. [05:02] file was /EFI/ubuntu/grub.cfg [05:02] Lovely, thanks for going and deleting that for me! [05:02] =þ [05:04] Oh yeah, and when UEFI-booting, for some reason, the kernel fails to comprehend UUIDs. [05:13] Oh, and how do I check what keycodes udev has applied? [05:13] It's no longer taken care of by HAL, so hal-device doesn't help anymore. [05:31] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD#Animations%20and%20durations [05:32] Hmm, if it's supposed to show up for around, oh, 1 second... then why are my manual notifications taking TEN seconds to go away? [05:34] Oh, and nm-applet icon seems not to scale.... and same with padevchooser. [05:47] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/56807 [05:47] Ubuntu bug 56807 in usplash "usplash outputs "chdir: No such file or directory" in each invocation (dup-of: 45435)" [Medium,New] [05:47] Ubuntu bug 45435 in usplash "usplash does not check result of chdir(): /usplash_fifo can be created" [Low,Fix released] [05:47] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/45435 [05:47] er [05:47] odd... I'm getting that bug NOW,. [05:50] Good evening [05:51] How's it going Dana [05:51] Doing well enough, though EFI-booting isn't working as well as it used to. [05:51] whats going on? [05:51] When I EFI-boot the kernel, it fails to comprehend UUIDs, and fails to comprehend that ext4 is not ext2 or ext3. [05:51] hrm, wow [05:51] Wanted to say that there is bug in current install of kubuntu 9.10. If you remove a symbolic link folder say on the desktop and send it to the wastebin, it will delete the folder contents of the original folder, not simply remove the symbolic link. [05:52] I dont have EFI on this machine, so I wish I could assist you on that, DanaG [05:52] do I report KDE bugs at KDE or launchpad? [05:52] launchpad [05:52] syn-ack: ok thanks [05:52] Oh, and most of what I find about EFI is about Apple... but I don't have Apple. =þ [05:53] it'll work the same way, AFAIK. DanaG [05:53] EFI is EFI all thats different in theory is the interface.. again AFAIK [05:55] Though mine is UEFI 2.0. HP EliteBook laptop. [05:55] Oh yeah, and I also have no /dev/.initramfs [05:55] ... do you have a /dev/.initramfs? [05:56] Yes [05:57] http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2006/08/msg00857.html [05:57] ah, maybe my udev is broken. [05:58] meskes@meskes-laptop:~$ ls /dev/.initramfs [05:58] usplash_fifo usplash_outfifo varrun [05:58] ;) [05:58] odd.. I don't have a /dev/.initramfs. [05:58] Lemme try seeing if update-initrd worked. [05:58] Gotta' reboot. [06:09] [ 0.432585] Trying to unpack rootfs image as initramfs... [06:09] [ 0.432991] rootfs image is not initramfs (junk in compressed archive); looks like an initrd [06:10] [ 3.201549] RAMDISK: Couldn't find valid RAM disk image starting at 0. [06:10] morning [06:11] what's up with that? It refuses to load my initrd. [06:14] DanaG, to me, it looks like it may have been built with a bad toolchain or that that your menu.lst maybe misconfigured [06:14] DanaG, have you tired rebuilding that kernel against your toolchain to see if it keeps it up? [06:15] Hmm, the oddity is, it works perfectly fine when booted via CSM. [06:15] That is, the legacy BIOS-mode. [06:15] what are you using to boot with? elilo or GRUB*? [06:16] Grub2. [06:17] Sucks that the grub-efi and grub-pc packages conflict. [06:17] And the grub-efi packages don't even put grub.efi in the right place. [06:17] Hrm, it could just be GRUB2 because it is still really unstable [06:20] DanaG, Even I wont touch GRUB2 and I have really flaky system? [06:20] rather . [06:20] I still have legacy grub in my MBR, and in each of two partitions. [06:20] There's no savedefault in grub2. That's a showstopper for me. [06:39] I'm still having some problems with the current sound implementation on my Asus EEE PC 1000HE and Karmic [06:43] Actually, I think my EFI thingy is a kernel issue... booting Jaunty via the exact same grub.efi works fine. [07:10] after some libc updates, my computer seems to be running much better. Not quite so many kernel oops today [07:11] I've yet to have any kernel oops, but I've had lots of problems with sound control [07:12] Shambler4u: it looks like there doing some major changes to the sound system... be patient and file bugs as necessary [07:15] ripps: Yeah, I've been doing that. Sometimes I wonder if I just don't have something configured correctly [07:18] anyone know why my scroll wheel might suddenly stop working? (even after reboot) [07:26] i now have two volume icons: one on panel & one in tray. they're different. [07:31] my thumb buttons still work, though my scroll wheel doesn't... [07:36] tanath: I've just filed a bug report on that [07:37] tanath: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/401294 maybe you could contribute here? [07:37] Ubuntu bug 401294 in ubuntu "Karmic - 2 Sound Applets, No Keyboard Shortcuts, Sound Resetting" [Undecided,New] [07:37] hm, my kb shortcuts do work [07:38] though the one in the tray doesn't seem to realize it at the moment :P [07:38] mine do too, but it's controlling a different device than it should, and I can't make it change it's mind about that [07:39] I hate the current mixer_applet2. [07:39] Horizontal == stupid. [07:40] DanaG: mixer_applet2 shows up on my system in the tray and is vertical [07:40] hrm, audacious is messed up now [07:40] That's the OTHER one. [07:40] Volume Applet 2.27.3? [07:40] yeah, mine's horizontal. [07:41] oh - that one's been horizontal for a long time for me [07:41] that's been there since Jaunty I thought? [07:41] One is Pulse and the other ALSA [07:42] The Vertical one is ALSA, the other Pulse [07:42] syn-ack: they seem to be controlling each other on my system [07:42] ok, i can't confirm the audacious thing. works for me [07:42] also, i'm not using an eee pc [07:42] AFAIK, they SHOULD [07:42] anyone find the .31 kernels don't work? [07:42] Oh wiat [07:42] my understanding was that they were separate? [07:43] fortunately i still have the .28 kernels [07:43] Shambler4u, you know what..,.. this is the PULSE mixer [07:43] hrm [07:43] which one? [07:43] the tray one? [07:43] Both [07:43] hrm [07:43] o.O i'm using alsa [07:43] Of course you are [07:43] We all are. [07:43] oh yeah, and one applet seems to have a DIFFERENT volume range than my keyboard keys. [07:44] tanath, Pulse isnt kernel layer like ALSA [07:44] That's probably Ear Candy. [07:44] mm [07:44] I tried Ear Candy once. [07:44] DanaG: Probably a combination of the ear-candy applet and Pulse's flat volumes. [07:44] Gave up on it when it blasted me. [07:44] I turned flat volumes off, it was pissing me off. [07:44] And when it kept moving streams AWAY from my bluetooth headset. [07:44] Hrm [07:45] if i use my kb to change volume, it works, and the applet behaves accordingly, but the tray one doesn't notice the change in vol. still says 100% [07:45] Flat volumes is goddamn awfully confusing. [07:45] I wonder why it doesnt kill the other mixer like it should be doing. Thats an annoying bug [07:45] And when you add earcandy... it just cranks everything up to 100%. [07:45] Frankly, that's a health risk! [07:45] DanaG, Relax. :p [07:45] tanath: The tray one is probably reflecting the Pulse mixer. [07:46] * DanaG GETS BLASTED BY 100% VOLUME. [07:46] hah. [07:46] that's all the yelling I'll do now, [07:46] also, i don't think i like the new Sound Prefs [07:46] which it links to [07:46] SeveredCross, Both of the Tray mixers this re this bug is PULSE [07:46] Yeah, how do you set which thingy the volume hotkeys control? [07:46] doesn't let you choose output thingy, for one [07:46] One is just the new sound profile [07:47] tanath, Do you have more than one output source? [07:47] woah, suddenly my scroll wheel is working again [07:47] I see... now my hotkeys are the virtualized volume. [07:47] syn-ack, in jaunty i had several things to choose from (and i seem to have a couple output devices, though they all seem to be the same device [07:47] pulse, alsa, esd, oss... [07:47] And the virtualized one is inaudible below 50%. [07:47] No no [07:48] and multiple ICH devices [07:48] well, not inaudible, but pretty close. [07:48] Thats what I was getting at... hrm [07:48] but all seemed to go to my speakers [07:48] You know guys, Im going to sum this up to one damned annoying bug thtat I cant trace for the moment [07:48] It puts master at ZERO when at 50%! [07:49] why would my scroll wheel randomly stop working, even across a reboot, and then randomly start working again? [07:49] Reason I cannot trace is because its midnight and I've been up since 7 am [07:50] syn-ack, heh, get some sleep. sleep deprivation is bad for you [07:50] meh [07:50] tanath, in my prior line of work before coming back to IT I never slept [07:50] my scroll wheel started working slowly too... like the events were getting eaten [07:50] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=333438 [07:50] Gnome bug 333438 in mixer "gnome volume applet mute/zero volume behavior is not intuitive" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate] [07:50] and only some were getting through [07:51] so i started playing with it more, and it's now working [07:51] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/332081 [07:51] Ubuntu bug 332081 in gnome-settings-daemon "Panel volume icon state changes to "mute" when volume reaches zero" [Low,New] [07:51] syn-ack, that's not good. they keep finding out that sleep deprivation is worse than they thought [07:51] DanaG, had that prob too a few times [07:52] It even makes my MUTE LED light up, rather annoyingly. [07:52] Or rather, switch from blue to orange. [07:52] tanath, hehehehe [07:53] oh, i had some serious graphical glitches for the past several days that i managed to fix. i had ancient left-overs from fglrx that were messing things up [07:53] though swiftfox still seems to have graphical glitches of the same type :-/ [07:53] tanath, Thats ok, my Wifi button doesnt change from orange to white and never has [07:54] it does infact, switch the wifi on and off so I dont care if it doesnt match what "its supposed to Do" in that respect [07:54] heh [07:54] papercuts, man. papercuts. :P [07:54] Ok [07:55] * tanath shakes fist :P [07:55] See, When I first started working with Ubuntu WAAAAAAY back in the day we didnt have these papercuts.... WTF are they exactly? [07:55] syn-ack, what wi fi card? [07:55] robin0800, Ath 5001 [07:56] robin0800, imo, its merely aesthetic so I'm not concerned [07:57] papercuts: https://edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts [07:58] syn-ack, tried googling for led light on your card worked for me ipw2200 just needed led=1 option [07:58] little annoyances that turn people off ubuntu/linux [07:59] tanath, I've used linux for over a decade, this aint anything [07:59] anyone know what swiftfox might be using/doing that would cause graphical glitches? [07:59] syn-ack, it's nothing to you :P [07:59] oh yeah, iwlagn blinking is another godawful annoying thing. [07:59] robin0800, wtf does it need that? [07:59] robin0800, interfaces? [08:00] iwlagn blinking is just replicating the standard Windows behavior. [08:00] Not for my cadr. [08:00] card. [08:00] Mine in Windows does NOT blink. [08:00] Weird, it is for mine. [08:00] It's vendor-specific. [08:00] Look in the Intel INF some time. [08:00] HP has it not blink. [08:00] Weird. [08:00] I've got Dell. [08:01] DUDE! [08:01] I dont. :P [08:01] * syn-ack vomits when he thinks of Dell [08:01] <- HP Fanboi. :P [08:01] * DanaG really likes his EliteBook. Badass. [08:01] what's the prob with dell? [08:02] tanath, ...Its a Dell. :P [08:02] syn-ack, needed to have led light work [08:02] That and they bought Alienware. :D [08:02] who bought alienware? [08:02] Dell. [08:02] Dell [08:02] right... that's a prob? [08:02] Years ago [08:02] I got a Dell because it was...cheap. [08:02] tanath, For alienware [08:02] http://www.quatraine3.com/tribalwar/SwSetup/WLAN2/NETw4v32.INF [08:02] example of INF. [08:02] alienware made good stuff [08:03] MADE is the operative [08:03] HKR,,LedMode,0x10001,0x1 [08:03] meh [08:03] like I said, details. :P [08:04] http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4631 [08:04] here's what I have. [08:04] Though I have P8600 instead of T9400, and Mobility FireGL V5700 instead of whatever the nvidia was -- by choice, in fact. [08:05] I have an HP Pavillion [08:05] os[Linux 2.6.31-3-generic i686] distro[Ubuntu "karmic" 9.10] cpu[2 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU T3200 @ 2.00GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 2.00GHz] mem[Physical: 1.9GB, 83.3% free] disk[Total: 146.6GB, 92.2% free] video[Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA Intel] [08:06] Linux EliteBook 2.6.31-3-generic #19-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jul 14 16:07:02 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux [08:06] Though its straight Intel. :D [08:06] DanaG, though I can do 64 bit, I figured I would shake down the 32 bit release [08:07] Oh yeah, and my hostname is... EliteBook. [08:07] I couldn't think of anything cooler. [08:07] Mine is Neptune [08:07] I had to replace the wireless card on this Asus EEE PC 1000HE because it wouldn't work with Ubuntu [08:08] Jupiter is my stable desktop Saturn is my AD server, Solare is my Gateway etc [08:08] Shambler4u, which card was it? [08:08] Oh yeah, I had an old Gateway 17" laptop. Boy, did the construction quality on that thing suck. [08:08] Lid cracked right down the middle. [08:08] LCD itself failed some time later. [08:09] heh [08:09] I eventually removed the LCD and lid, so I could at least use it with an external monitor. [08:10] Ive got a buddy that had a Gateway and had to have have or did it himself replaced the LCD 3 times [08:10] Removal of LVDS attachment also revealed lots of bugs in things. [08:10] I know he knows your pain [08:10] syn-ack: it was an AzureWave model # AR5B91-X [08:10] Shambler4u, I have never heard of that in my whole entire life [08:10] haha [08:10] apparently neither has anyone else [08:11] syn-ack: this is the card: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&item=280358418608 [08:11] it was trying to run on the Atheros drivers, if I'm not mistaken [08:11] Shambler4u, which one? [08:11] it would just go several minutes where it would drop packets like crazy [08:11] as in madwifi, etc? [08:12] madwifi [08:12] hrm [08:12] thats like that "works with everthing" driver though it doesnt [08:12] dropped packets to the point where it was un-usable [08:12] I know for a fact it doesnt work with mine [08:12] suck. :/ [08:13] it would work for awhile, but then I'd have periods where I'd have 100% packet loss. [08:13] wow [08:14] Ok, Ubuntuone is kinda irritating [08:14] Thought I would just mention that out loud [08:15] syn-ack: Ubuntuone doesn't even work at all on my machine [08:15] and #ubuntuone couldnt help you out at all? [08:16] I was curious one day after noticing something new in the menu, and I clicked it, and it just crashed. Then I couldn't file a bug report because there were updates or something. [08:16] I haven't pursued it yet (although I should). I honestly don't even know what it is [08:17] Shambler4u, www.ubuntuone.com [08:17] I suggest you go there and check it out [08:18] thanks [08:19] ohhh! It's like Dropbox [08:21] yep. ;) [08:26] yeah - when run UbuntuOne, nothing at all happens [08:27] Shambler4u, you have to send in for an invite for an account [08:27] read the site. ;) [08:29] yessir. Though the site won't let me log in. Man, things are trouble for me today [08:30] therefore, I'm going to go off to bed. syn-ack, May I suggest the same for you, too? ;) [08:31] heheh [08:31] g'night [08:31] night === yofel_ is now known as yofel [09:42] good morning folks [09:42] j #gnome-sheel [09:42] hi [09:43] x1250 did you mean /j #gnome-sheel [09:44] robin0800, sort of, gnome-shell, so two errors in one line :) [09:51] hi all. Ive just installed 9.10 and then installed XP. I am now trying to reinstall grub as my bootloader. Are there any grub2 howtos on there to reinstall grub from the livecd? [09:52] <|ns|nR8> yep [09:52] hm, i only know of a grub1 one, and i'm not sure how similar it is [09:53] <|ns|nR8> i found one using google in couple minutes [09:53] <|ns|nR8> other day [09:53] yeah, Ive done a regular grub rescue before. searching google for a grub2 one now [09:54] <|ns|nR8> google ubuntu fix grub2 after install [09:54] <|ns|nR8> first result === WelshDragon is now known as Fluffles [09:54] look at wiki.ubuntu.com/grub2 as i recall that is address [09:55] lol. I was searching through results of grub2 rescue [09:55] should have installed XP first it makes life easier [09:55] <|ns|nR8> its not that hard with grub2..just a command [09:56] its not too much of a worry right now. 'll figure it out eventually ;) [09:56] <|ns|nR8> if it dont detect the windows partition tho its a little trickier..you have to make a couple sctips [09:56] <|ns|nR8> to add windows to grub2 loads [09:56] <|ns|nR8> i like the older grub better === mac__v is now known as mac_v [09:59] looks like its quite similar to the old process for fixing grub [09:59] mounting root, then dev, then chroot [09:59] http://www.ubuntu-inside.me/2009/06/howto-recover-grub2-after-windows.html [09:59] <|ns|nR8> you have no menu.lst tho [09:59] <|ns|nR8> and you cant edit the main file [09:59] no, but its the same process [10:00] <|ns|nR8> o [10:00] and if its the mbr that is overwritten, you really shouldnt need to edit the menu.lst/grub.cfg [10:00] <|ns|nR8> if it dont detect your windows partition you have to worry abut it [10:00] <|ns|nR8> thats what happened to me [10:01] you can worry about it after you get back into ubuntu [10:01] <|ns|nR8> yep [10:01] which I'm about to do. see ya in a few [10:01] <|ns|nR8> k [10:07] and.... we're back :) [10:07] <|ns|nR8> howd ya go [10:07] <|ns|nR8> did it see windows ? [10:18] damn, purging sysklogd is brojen :( [10:18] broken* [10:19] dupondje: it was replaced [10:19] gnomefreak: I know, I want to purge the old now, but its broken :( [10:20] dupondje: define broken [10:21] userdel: gebruiker 'syslog' is momenteel niet aangemeld [10:21] /usr/sbin/deluser: `/usr/sbin/userdel syslog' gaf foutcode 8. Stoppen. [10:21] dpkg: fout bij afhandelen van sysklogd (--purge): [10:21] ok english by chance? [10:21] what do I need to put in front again :) to have english output :P [10:23] i didnt know you could other than transate it. can yuou give me an idea on what the 2 last lines say. also did you remove it yet? [10:23] userdel: user syslog is currently logged in [10:23] /usr/sbin/deluser: `/usr/sbin/userdel syslog' returned error code 8. Exiting. [10:23] dpkg: error processing sysklogd (--purge): [10:23] subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 1 [10:24] dupondje: did you try killing it in ps aux? to see if it is still running try ps aux | grep syslog [10:25] I see the error now :P [10:25] huge translation error imo :s [10:26] its purged now :) [10:27] jl@laptopjl:~$ sudo /usr/sbin/userdel syslog [10:27] userdel: gebruiker 'syslog' is momenteel niet aangemeld [10:27] jl@laptopjl:~$ LANG=en sudo /usr/sbin/userdel syslog [10:27] userdel: user syslog is currently logged in [10:27] the dutch says: userdel: user 'syslog' is currently NOT logged in [10:27] while the english version says it IS logged in ! [10:28] dupondje: if you installed the new pakcage (forgot name) than it should stop it from running at least mine did [10:29] killed syslog procs, and it got purged :) [10:29] dupondje: restart would have done that too :) [10:32] a translation bug in shadow :) [10:32] who should I address ;) [10:32] dupondje: file a bug on it [10:33] leave the package name blank someone will place it where it needs to be [10:34] its in the shadow package :p [10:34] #, c-format [10:34] msgid "%s: user %s is currently logged in\n" [10:34] msgstr "%s: gebruiker %s is momenteel niet aangemeld\n" [10:35] dupondje: shadow is not the name of the package [10:35] gnomefreak@Development:~$ show shadow [10:35] W: Unable to locate package shadow [10:35] E: No packages found [10:35] bug 401056 [10:35] Launchpad bug 401056 in sysklogd "package sysklogd (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/401056 [10:36] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shadow/+bug/401330 [10:36] Ubuntu bug 401330 in shadow "Translation error in dutch" [Undecided,New] [10:36] translation error ;) [10:36] gnomefreak: is passwd [10:36] but shadow on launchpad [10:37] passwd is the binary package and shadow the source package [10:42] dupondje: for english terminal output use 'export LANG=en_US.UTF-8' (for future reference ;)) [10:43] thx yofel ;) [10:43] using LANG=C would be easier, but then you have no UTF-8 [11:16] hi, im currently on jaunty and i want to try out the new 9.10 koala release.. i have found something called a "daily build" can anyone tell me what is that? [11:17] drazter2: its the state of karmic which is updated daily [11:17] so its the latest version of karmic [11:17] right now if u can wait for alpha 3 which comes out in a few days [11:17] so its different from Alpha2 ? and its updated every day? [11:18] but i can update from alpha 2 to alpha 3 easily right? [11:19] well yes it is a more updated version than alpha 2 [11:19] theoretically u can go from alpha 2 to 3 [11:19] but in this particular case there have been many changes to gdm [11:19] and x etc [11:19] so it WILL [11:19] lead to many probs [11:20] drazter2: you dont want to use daily builds if you can adviod it since they are done by a bot and not tested [11:20] so best advice is wait for alpha 3 [11:20] tgpraveen1: gdm bugs are mostly fixed [11:20] gnomefreak: is right [11:20] gnomefreak: yeah but if he installs alpha 2 [11:20] then he updates [11:20] then he will be plagued by that one bug which was casusing a lot of probs [11:21] i cant remember if it was a2 or a3 that first got those fixes [11:21] daily build would avoid it but as u said it is untested [11:21] it was fixed after a2 was released [11:21] a3 is yet to come [11:21] * gnomefreak still not sure how upstart is handled on upgrade atm [11:21] gnomefreak: it works ;) [11:21] here at least ;) [11:21] use nightly installer to upgrade or to install [11:22] a3 is when people actually hope to have karmic stabilised especially in x,kernel etc areasx [11:22] well [11:22] dupondje: it is being held back i thought depends issues since it wants to remove a bunch of upstart related apps [11:22] im having some trouble with jaunty, and seems there are some performance issues.. since my laptop is pretty powerful.. [11:22] drazter2: best to wait a bit longer [11:23] nop gnomefreak, it just works :) [11:23] the only thing I really miss in karmic is fast-user-switch-apllet :P [11:23] drazter2: intel graphics issues? [11:23] if so then enabling backports or something is supposed to fix it [11:24] dunno, seems like its eating a lot of CPU and RAM for nothing [11:24] dupondje: http://paste.ubuntu.com/221832/ [11:24] best to enable backports and google for the solution there were many blog posts on how to fix it [11:24] dupondje: see if you have the remove packages [11:25] having also some sound problems witch causes.. the whole computer to freeze [11:25] drazter2: enable backports and update system and see if it goes away. and remember right now karmic is very unstable and it will most probabal [11:25] give u more probs than jaunty [11:26] upgrading to an unstable release is not something you do to fix a stable release bug [11:26] no no.. i wont upgrade [11:26] i will instal a fresh copy [11:26] gnomefreak: don't have them [11:26] but u don't need them ? === mac__v is now known as mac_v [11:27] dupondje: ok thanks [11:27] btw, nautilus broken hard ? :x [11:29] still.. il give it a try, will install it on anohter partition and i hope i can upgrate to alpha 3 if something goes wrong [11:29] however jaunty will remain [11:29] that way no harm can be done .. only little time for download / install [11:29] how can I debug nautlius ? [11:30] I can't open 'Computer' / 'Network' [11:30] it just crashes [11:30] dupondje: you using U1 ? [11:30] U1 ? [11:30] ubuntuone [11:30] dupondje: alot of people have seen that and IIRC there is a bug on it already [11:30] there is, let me get it out [11:30] ah yeah thats it. if you use the nightlies it goes away [11:31] dupondje: bug 395710 [11:31] UbuntuOne got installed automaticly :) don't even know what it does :p [11:31] Launchpad bug 395710 in ubuntuone-client "Opening "Places/Computer" nautilus crash with Segmentation fault" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/395710 [11:33] hmz [11:33] Fix released ? [11:33] but its not in repo's ? [11:34] dupondje: ubuntu one can't be installed automatically because it's a ppa [11:35] ah, my fault, there is a version in the repos [11:35] the not-fixed one... [11:36] dupondje: if you don't use ubuntu one you should be able to just remove it [11:36] that should fix the crash as well [11:37] ok :) [11:39] its working again :) great :Dµ$ [11:45] hi. packages.ubuntu.com still not working.. [12:46] need a bug confirmation [12:46] open nautilus [12:46] choose a dir [12:46] change the view to list mode [12:46] press F5 [12:47] does this work? [12:54] BUGabundo, Yes but it should not its ctrl 1 2 or 3 [12:55] robin0800: ctrl?? [12:56] I simply want to refresh the folder [12:56] also If I leave and return its reset [12:56] its a bug afaics [12:56] BUGabundo: resets to symbol view here [12:57] yofel: symbol? thumb you mean [12:57] BUGabundo, Yes its a bug like alt F2 I guess [12:57] robin0800: what altf2 bug? [12:57] works for me [12:58] here alt+f2 doesn't do anything as well [12:58] wfm [12:58] :) [12:59] BUGabundo, not working here last couple of days having to use gksu in terminel [12:59] strange [13:00] samba & gvfs still seems a bit broken :( [13:06] BUGabundo: Nautilus crashes for me when i switch to list view [13:06] eheh popey [13:06] but not always [13:06] luckly not here [13:06] refresh switches back to icon view [13:06] I'll file a bug on the view change on LP and upstream in a minute [13:06] popey: yep [13:06] that's my bug [13:06] then triggers a crash in ubuntuone [13:07] just a sec will do it now [13:07] ahhh I haven't started my U1 [13:07] darn [13:07] then that could be the cause and not Nautilus bug [13:07] yes [13:07] let me start it, and see if I get a trace [13:07] its known to be causing some nautilus issues at the moment [13:08] hehe, forgot to start mine as well [13:08] but it doesn't crash here, just resets the view [13:08] "You should now automatically return to https://ubuntuone.com." [13:08] lol [13:09] popey: what's your u1 version? [13:09] no crash her [13:09] *here [13:09] Installed: 0.90.4+r88-0ubuntu1~ppa1~karmic [13:09] ii ubuntuone-client 0.90.3-0ubuntu1 Ubuntu One client [13:09] from #U1: Current Beta Client Revno is 88, Protocol Revno is 52 | Release 0.90.4 [13:10] popey: you need to upgrade :) [13:10] nah, i dont use u1 [13:10] heheh [13:10] and you're using the ppa [13:10] then purge it :) [13:10] I dont use ppa's on karmic [13:10] popey: then your crash is probably bug 395710 [13:10] Launchpad bug 395710 in ubuntuone-client "Opening "Places/Computer" nautilus crash with Segmentation fault" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/395710 [13:10] right now it is on the archive! [13:10] forgot about that [13:11] *** 0.90.4+r88-0ubuntu1~ppa1~karmic 0 500 http://ppa.launchpad.net karmic/main Packages [13:11] popey: the remove it, should remove the crash as well ;) [13:11] 0.90.3-0ubuntu1 0 500 http://darkstar.ist.utl.pt karmic/main Packages [13:11] *then [13:11] how can I change my MIC selection ?? [13:11] I used to be able to do that on my Volume Controls [13:12] but now the new one doesn't allow me [13:12] nor I see where to do it on PAVU [13:15] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/401367 [13:15] Ubuntu bug 401367 in nautilus "View mode always changes to Icons" [Undecided,New] [13:15] filed [13:15] upstresming now [13:20] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=589024 [13:20] Gnome bug 589024 in Views: All "View mode always changes to Icons" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [13:20] and upstream now [13:20] yofel: popey robin0800 ^^^^^^^ [13:21] BUGabundo, is alt f2 classed as a bug? [13:22] BUGabundo: confirmed it [13:22] lunch bbl [13:25] me too [13:51] hey folks [13:51] do you have any idea why notifications wouldn't work? [13:51] I tried with "notify-send "New eMail arrived" -i notification-message-email" as well, and its a no go [13:52] Hello folks [13:56] hey BluesKaj [13:56] brb. taking my dog for a walj [13:56] *walk [14:18] re [14:19] pygi: is notify-osd really running? 'ps -e | grep notify-osd' === nielsslot__ is now known as nielsslot [14:49] yofel, no updates today on the servers ? [14:51] anyone else had nautilus being very touchy - segs in glib ? [14:51] BluesKaj: doesn't seem like it [14:52] penguin42: got ubuntuone installed ? [14:52] yes, and the seg is coming from that [14:52] penguin42: uninstall it if you don't use it, the crash is fixed, but not yet in the repos version [14:52] hmm yofel , interesting ...maybe the devs are catching up to the problems :) [14:53] yofel: OK, thanks - wtf is Ubuntu One? [14:53] BluesKaj: more like preparing for alpha3 :P [14:53] penguin42: https://ubuntuone.com/ [14:54] yofel, when is that scheduled ? [14:54] BluesKaj: July 23rd - in 4 days ;) [14:54] yofel: Ah, like Me or whatever Apple calls it.... [14:54] ok thanks, yofel [14:55] BluesKaj: next time just look at the release schedule in the topic :P [14:56] currently it's better than it was - still has a few flakinesses; I've had one boot where Network manager didn't start, and last night it wouldn't let me hibernate - and it still has the sound glitching that came in Jaunty (or was it Intrepid?) [14:56] and what idiot added 'ubuntuone-client-gnome' to ubuntu-desktop when the repos version is broken??? [15:04] yofel: one of the guys (or girls) that has root on your system. [15:04] so, beware of calling them idiots [15:04] I prefer to shut everything off at night before hitting the sack , so im wondering if anyone else has encountered shutdown problems ? [15:04] BluesKaj: it doesn't. sudo halt ftw. [15:05] Hobbsee: sry [15:05] BluesKaj: i assume you mean the one where quit re-logs you into your session? [15:05] * Hobbsee tosses ubuntuone off her box, while she remembers [15:06] BluesKaj: Last night the only options selectable in the dialog were hibernate and suspend - I couldn't select shutdown; and hibernate didn't hibernate; I ended up doing a shutdown -h now from command line [15:06] Hobbsee , no the normal shut down options dialog doesn't pop up. [15:07] Hobbsee, I exited from the TTY [15:08] ah [15:09] The other minor oddity I have since the last update is that an old build of Rhythmbox I've got is mis-showing the icon on the panel - it has a black edge around it almost like it was ignoring the mask [15:11] penguin42, but your shutdown options dialog did show up, I didn't get any :P [15:11] BluesKaj: Yeh from the system->Shutdown menu option [15:11] * Ng wonders if there's a smarter way to install karmic to a USB stick than downloading a CD, burning it and running a normal install [15:12] different probs show up differently depending on your upgrades I guess [15:12] BluesKaj: I guess so - I wish there was a way to even some of it out so an upgraded machine was closer to a fresh install - except of course the bits you don't want to be :-) [15:14] Ng: yeah, there's a tool? [15:14] well penguin42 , thank goodness for small mercies as the saying goes...at least now palsma seems to holding up , no crashes for 2 days here :) [15:14] Ng: system, admin, usb creator? [15:14] Hobbsee: ohh, I wondered what that was. good point, ta :) [15:14] oh [15:14] BluesKaj: plasma is KDE? [15:14] Ng: heh :) [15:14] except I am doing this to get a different arch :( [15:15] Ng: then you're on your own, methinks. [15:15] Ng: live cd, a vm with the correct arch, and use the same tool? [15:15] * penguin42 should try KDE again, I haven't on the karmic world [15:15] Ng: or even sans vm,if that works bette - i think it's on the livecd [15:15] * yofel thought the arch had nothing to do with usb-creator o.O [15:17] cool, now gnome-do is using 190% cpu o.O [15:17] yeah penguin42 , I'm running kde 4.3 [15:18] BluesKaj: Ah, I'm on Gnome - so it sounds like there is something screwed in whatever the common bit is [15:19] what? [15:20] penguin42, I ran gnome a couple of yrs back , is it still brown and orange ? :) [15:20] BluesKaj: Hey I've got a tasteful background [15:20] BluesKaj: by default yes, but you don't use the kde default theme either, or do you? [15:21] <--- old windows guy ...used to the blue stuff [15:21] heh, my gnome theme is blue as well :P [15:21] but looks much better than windows XD [15:22] * penguin42 just has the default theme but selected one of the other wallpapers - nothing exciting there [15:23] yofel no, i'm using a glassified oxygen sand&green theme [15:25] penguin42: nodoka with darkroom border in blue and oxygen icons ;) http://imagebin.ca/view/Juvf69I.html [15:25] nice [15:28] mine http://imagebin.ca/view/mvZmMsM.html [15:29] mine is boring, I won't bother [15:29] gotta luv imagebin [15:30] aww c'mon penguin42 , share with us , mine is pretty mundane [15:30] ok, ok [15:31] * penguin42 uploads [15:32] http://www.treblig.org/pics/Screenshot.png [15:32] it may look a little odd - since it's dual head, vertically stacked (or at least as far as X is concerned) [15:36] Hobbsee: ehhehhe [15:37] yofel: yeah I got that crazy DO too [15:37] PPA version fixed it fro me [15:37] DO seems OK for me [15:37] hi, i'm experiencing problems with dpkg update ... [15:37] i didn't find any buf for it on launchpad [15:37] pastebin.com/m2454e4be [15:38] http://www.pastebin.com/m2454e4be [15:38] do is ok here too after I killed and restarted it [15:38] this is the problem i'm having ... [15:38] soc: You got plenty of free disc space? [15:41] penguin42: not plenty ... [15:42] a bit more than 1gb i guess ... [15:42] for /, for /home i got dozens of free spac e [15:42] should be enough - hmm [15:43] soc: You could try deleting the dpkg file in /var/cache/apt/archives and try redownloading [15:47] how come I haven't got a single update today?!?! [15:47] we aren't on free, yet, are we? [15:48] !3 only comes out the next thurdays [15:48] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [15:48] I did an apt-get update and there were a handful more there [15:48] libc and something else [15:48] penguin42: i tried that already :-( [15:49] hmm, tried dpkg -i on the file in there to try and install it by hand? [15:49] BUGabundo, I was wondering the same thing earlier , not even one , I had 20 "gets" but no updates [15:49] penguin42: what's up [15:49] ? [15:50] not much - mostly OK [15:51] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=589024#c2 [15:51] Gnome bug 589024 in Views: All "View mode always changes to Icons" [Normal,Needinfo] [15:51] yofel: can you coment on that ? [15:51] BUGabundo: people probably had a weekend off? [15:51] BUGabundo: and thee have been a few updates - just obviously not to what you've installed [15:52] Hobbsee: and since this is a fresh install [15:52] I only have 14k package in the DB [15:53] that would do it [15:56] BUGabundo: done === le_bilou1e is now known as le_biloute [15:57] does anyone have an idea? [15:59] soc: pastebin's expired. [15:59] I have ideas.... but they probably won't help you. [15:59] And what Hobbsee said. [16:01] penguin42: http://pastebin.com/m45727443 here is it again ... [16:52] I'm trying to remove ubuntu-desktop, after installing kubuntu-desktop [16:52] sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop only remove that one package, and sudo apt-get autoremove after that doesn't do anything [16:53] And if I do apt-cache depends ubuntu-desktop and remove all those packages, some are ones kubuntu-desktop depends on too, so it cascades and basically wants to remove my entire system [16:56] kernco, do you still have the gnome option at login ? [16:57] kernco, check this : http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde [16:57] BluesKaj, I haven't logged out yet, but I'm almost positive I do. It hasn't remove anything from my system other than the ubuntu-desktop metapackage [16:59] BluesKaj, that's for 9.04, so there's probably going to be some packages added in 9.10 that will still be around. I guess it's a start, though [17:03] kenyon: try aptitude [17:04] kernco, if the pkges are missing , the tutorial states that the settings are retained. It's just a matter of reinstalling the apps [17:04] I've seen it trying to remove all non necessary depencies [17:04] or try compuer janitor [17:05] BUGabundo: btw does c-janitor klear out old kernels? [17:05] yes [17:05] I tried aptitude already [17:05] or it did at same point [17:05] kernco: same thing? [17:05] well apt is meant to install.. not clean the system [17:06] or you can try orphan something [17:06] Yeah, ithe problem is apt just removes packages that were automatically installed to meet dependencies. [17:07] So if you do install kubuntu-desktop on top of a system that started as ubuntu, then you can just remove kubuntu-desktop and it will remove everything. [17:07] gtkorphan [17:07] but you don't want GTK eheh [17:07] But since all the ubuntu packages were already installed from the start, it doesn't work. [17:08] I think what I'm going to do is get the output of 'apt-cache depends ubuntu-desktop' and 'apt-cache depends kubuntu-desktop' and then remove only the packages that appear in ubuntu-desktop [17:09] kernco: try gtkorphan 1st [17:12] BUGabundo: That only found about 10 orphaned packages [17:12] run it again !? [17:12] its like CJ [17:13] needs several runs! [17:13] I did [17:13] also start removing packages and that will increase [17:13] CJ is a bit over enthusiastic sometimes - e.g. packages you've installed by dpkg -i it often tries to remove [17:14] penguin42: true [17:14] but YOU have to be sure what you want to remove [17:15] nod [17:16] still, it is convenient as you say - especially for removing old kernels [17:17] I usually remove them by hand on synaptic [17:17] while installing new ones [17:17] but anyone running devel versions knows that [17:18] we gather a bunch of them [17:18] nod [17:23] I think I got most of them [17:53] hi, the koala seems to have major graphic driver problem, after i installed recommended drivers and restarted it it freezed as a black and green screen with shattered pixels and 4-5 ubuntu logos [17:53] i have a ATI graphics card [17:53] any ideas? [17:53] ati :) [17:53] :D [17:54] drazter: try the drivers in the PPA [17:55] ATI Radeon HD 3200 :) on x64 koala release on hp 6735s laptop [17:57] also .. drag and drop items doesnt work on taskbar [17:57] did It ever? [17:58] dunno it worked on jaunty, and i just got the koala [17:58] also.. Places / Computer doesnt work.. (it worked ) but it broke down [18:01] drazter: places / computer: remove any package that has ubuntuone in it [18:01] yofel: stop asking user to remove U1 [18:02] its meant to be part of Koala and Canonical strategy [18:02] if it is broken it will be fixed [18:02] ok, will do [18:02] well im pretty impressed so far.. [18:02] at least mention the bug, and explain what's happening and that users should consider to add it back when fixed [18:03] even though its alpha.. its a lot faster.. [18:03] loading ~20 sec .. :) [18:03] and flawless sound.. [18:03] yeh I think it's doing parallel initialisation of some devices and I think Gnome is a bit faster [18:03] drazter: I wish I had the flawless sound [18:04] whats wrong with your sound? [18:04] clicks and pops [18:04] ah [18:04] i fixed that [18:04] how? [18:04] what player ? [18:04] are you using? [18:05] rhythmbox [18:05] well [18:05] try vlc [18:05] sudo apt-get install vlc [18:05] * penguin42 is reasonably sure it's a generic pulse problem [18:05] or pulse+kernel [18:05] no.. its the player [18:05] i got clicks and pops also [18:05] but i changed my players output [18:06] From ALSA to UNIX OSS audio output.. and after that it was awsome [18:07] drazter: Ah well that's because by changing it to OSS you probably made it bypass pulse [18:07] pulse intercepts alsa [18:08] drazter, penguin42 , yeah I gave up on amarok and rhythmbox and xmms2 ...they all had problems , but so far so good with VLC [18:08] 19 sec boot here WOOT [18:08] yeah [18:08] ~20 sec here [18:09] BluesKaj: I'd bet it's a case of them going through pulse though [18:09] penguin42: you need to try diff PA modes [18:09] dunno, but im listening some HQ electronics @1000+ bitrate ( Kraftwerk ) on my HQ AKG headphones .. and its flawless.. [18:09] BUGabundo: I've tried lots of them [18:09] BUGabundo: I think pulse is just trying to be too ambitious with it's real time requirements to be honest [18:09] penguin42: have you filed a bug and pinged dtchen on it? [18:09] right now: true [18:10] BUGabundo: Yep, he's been following it for a while [18:10] ok [18:10] BUGabundo: Have you any idea why we don't run with preemption in the kernel? [18:10] then its way above my role :) [18:10] Is that 19 seconds from BIOS or from grub? [18:10] well penguin42 , I'm not sure about the pulse audio debate , thought it had to do with the alsa/pulse configuration , but I'm still confused about the culprit [18:10] BUGabundo: Frustrating thing is it worked solid a few versions ago and then it broke [18:11] Twigathy: from bootchart :) === j_ack_ is now known as j_ack [18:11] let me get it [18:11] oh [18:11] I don't know if I can use bootchart or not. Silly setup fail. c_c [18:11] What does it require? /boot with some space on it? [18:13] hmm folders settings aren't being remembered? [18:13] :D [18:14] Twigathy: http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Linux/bootchart/karmic/blubug-karmic-20090718-2.png.php [18:14] drazter: just filed that bug [18:14] Twigathy: sudo apt-get install bootchart-java OR pybootchart [18:14] and some disk space on /var/log/bootchart [18:15] ok [18:15] I'd be interested to see what mine does :) [18:15] In fact, I'll reboot to linux, install bootchart and reboot again. brb. :D [18:15] (Am in windowz playing games c_c) [18:16] Windows works better on ubuntu virtualboxed than originally installed :D:D:D:D [18:16] Twigathy: http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Linux/bootchart/karmic/blubug-karmic-20090718-1.png.php?z&p=full-image [18:16] Twigathy: also AFTER try to profile your boot [18:16] * penguin42 is also getting momentary screen blanks - very odd [18:17] This is Linux land ! In silent nights you can hear Windows machines rebooting! :D:D [18:17] drazter: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=589024 [18:17] Gnome bug 589024 in Views: All "View mode always changes to Icons" [Normal,Needinfo] [18:18] penguin42: yeah I get that too [18:18] BUGabundo: Have you got a bug for it? [18:18] like screensaver kicks in after just a few secs [18:18] penguin42: no [18:18] is just finding I'm typing a way and it blanks - but not locking [18:18] yep [18:19] BUGabundo: do you have something like gvfs-metadata? I don't [18:19] are you on intel graphics or something else? [18:20] nothing [18:20] just replied to it [18:20] nope no gvfs-metadata here also.. [18:20] penguin42: nvidia [18:20] BUGabundo: Hmph, not intel xserver then - any idea what to file it against? [18:21] * BUGabundo should begin to learn to use REPLY on bugzilla.gnome.org :( [18:21] penguin42: GPM ? [18:21] why GPM? [18:21] BUGabundo: well, it's installing bootchart now.... =) [18:21] update-initramfs takes forever c_c [18:21] Twigathy: choose either java or python [18:21] yup, installed the -java package [18:21] Twigathy: old versions had a few bugs with python [18:21] should be fixed now [18:22] cool [18:22] and bring much less cruft [18:25] BUGabundo: Want to join me on bug 401441 then? [18:25] Launchpad bug 401441 in ubuntu "Screenblanks while in use" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/401441 [18:25] * penguin42 pats ubottu [18:25] yep [18:25] penguin42: ahaha [18:26] aha? [18:26] * Twigathy should get rid of some of his old kernels... got a 2.6.27-something in there >_< [18:26] penguin42: no package? [18:26] come on! do you want it be left there to rote? [18:26] BUGabundo: Which package do you reckon? [18:26] * BUGabundo slaps Twigathy for wasting space! it's a rare commodity ! [18:26] That's why I asked if you had it on Intel graphics, I can't even assign to xserver-intel which normally takes most of my abuse [18:27] penguin42: either GPM or screensaver manager [18:27] on a 256MB /boot, yes, it is... >_< [18:27] ahha, finished... time to reboot to let it generate a logfile-thingy [18:28] BUGabundo: OK, I've flipped it to gnome-screensaver; either they'll fess up to it or flame me crispy [18:28] daqrn [18:28] I was doingit too [18:28] that's why LP blew [18:28] Slllloooow [18:28] :-) [18:28] woo [18:29] Twigathy: how long? [18:29] er, some... [18:29] oh cool, it made the PNG itself... [18:29] Twigathy: I meant time to boot!! [18:29] yep [18:29] post it NOW [18:29] we want to see [18:29] two sec [18:29] err [18:29] 1 [18:30] 2 [18:30] >_< [18:30] its over [18:30] :D [18:30] * BUGabundo wonders if there is any stats bot for #ubuntu+1 [18:30] www.twigathy.com/corona-karmic-20090719-1.png [18:31] bugabundo: http://ubuntustats.dnsalias.net/ [18:31] enjoy my hacky 0 disk utilisation for most of boot ;) [18:31] hmm.. not for ubuntu+1 thou :/ [18:31] ipconfig takes 2.5 seconds? man. :/ [18:32] thanks andre [18:32] thanks andresmujica [18:32] BUGabundo: my chart is there - time was 20secs :) [18:32] Twigathy: try to profile it [18:32] how do I do that? [18:32] on grub at boot (one time only) [18:32] edit it, and add "profile" to the end of the kernel stanza [18:33] okay... what'll that do? Spit out another logfile or...? [18:33] Twigathy: order files on boot. making it faster [18:33] ah, nifty... [18:33] I've seen gains of 5 secs [18:33] I will reboot again. (and again after the profile, I guess). brb. :) [18:33] bugabundo: adding ubuntu+1 [18:34] oops andresmujica. [18:34] I'm #1 there and don't even talk much there :\\\ [18:35] 6740 lines , 39508 words [18:35] darn [18:35] andresmujica: how do I get my pic there?! [18:35] :) [18:35] point me to the link and i'll add it [18:36] well if i can manage to access the server... [18:36] BUGabundo: I assume when I appended 'profile' bootchart didn't run at all? Or do I need to tell it to run per-boot? :S [18:37] Twigathy: not sure. I've seen versions of bootchart that skip on profile [18:37] and some that work [18:37] if it doesn't run, just reboot again [18:37] also: now that profile has been run, what did it change? [18:37] order of files on disk [18:37] takes over a minute from grub to wallpaper on my setup [18:38] including login pw etc [18:39] BluesKaj: pics or it didn't happen :) [18:39] BUGabundo, ?? [18:39] BluesKaj: get bootchart and then let me know, so we can hack it to mesure post login [18:39] like I do [18:39] post login ok [18:40] is profile a kernelism or something else? [18:40] which bootchart ? [18:40] java or gui? [18:41] python it is, not ajava fan [18:42] nope, still 20 seconds :) [18:43] ohh [18:43] ok now lets hack it a bit [18:44] Twigathy: open $ gksu gedit /etc/rc5.d/S99stop-bootchart [18:44] on line 41 add a sleep [18:45] sleep 30; [18:45] I have 30 but you can play with it [18:45] I used to have 90 :)) [18:45] Twigathy: then reboot [18:45] hey arpu [18:45] brb then :) [18:46] Oh yeah, last time I did "profile", it actually made it take LONGER to boot! [18:46] ... because it precached files it really didn't need to precache. [18:47] loo [18:47] l [18:48] BUGabundo: http://twigathy.com/corona-karmic-20090719-3.png [18:49] loo? [18:49] =þ [18:49] Heya [18:49] DanaG: it takes longer on the 1st boot [18:49] My latest boot: http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/EliteBook-karmic-20090719-1.png [18:49] then should be faster [18:49] I mean, it actually made ALL boots take longer. [18:49] DanaG: strange [18:49] Increased the readahead-list time without reducing the other time. [18:50] purge the ..... package [18:50] I am in contact with the kile developers for the infamous spell-checker bug and I need to tell them the right way to compile a package in ubuntu [18:50] I usually do [18:50] and reisntall [18:50] readahead-list is depressing [18:50] * penguin42 wonders how you tune what's in that [18:50] (sorry for multiline!) apt-get source kile; apt-get build-dep kile; cd kile..... ; debian/rules binary [18:50] I am sure the latter is stupid [18:52] Hmm, so how can I speed up my boot? [18:52] Oh yeah, and I gave up on the UEFI booting -- the kernel refused to load the initramfs. [18:52] And I got odd things like: /proc/cmdline: no such file or directory [18:52] DanaG: love to see your boot hang for 3 secs [18:52] * penguin42 finds /etc/readahead I wonder how/what is supposed to maintain that [18:53] DanaG: I reduced from 1:40 to 28 reinstaling [18:53] why the heck is there an ipconfig started by udev? [18:54] Twigathy: 18 secs boots now! [18:54] lol [18:54] BUGabundo: is this with or without login? [18:54] I don't think I could get mine down without taking out some services [18:55] (mpd + mpdscribble, nfs mounts ...) [18:55] mdadm seems to take a while too [18:55] hmm, what can I do to speed up my boot? [18:55] andresmujica: http://img.bugabundo.net/eyetumb64.png [18:55] ... and what's with that 3-second delay? === j_ack__ is now known as j_ack [18:55] DanaG: no idea. but I've seen it on several boots [18:56] Le-Chuck_ITA: depends on the hacked version you are looking at [18:56] * penguin42 wonders why readahead-list is done on it's own rather than in parallel with other stuff [18:57] /var/lib/dpkg/info/rsyslog.postinst: line 70: local: can only be used in a function [18:57] BUGabundo: I mean the 18 secs [18:57] * Le-Chuck_ITA wonders why one should install postfix with devscripts... [18:57] DanaG: I'd try disabling S01readahead and see what difference it actually made - now it might actually be slower or slower when it gets into teh desktop [18:58] Le-Chuck_ITA, You wonder quite a bit, dont ya? :P [18:58] syn-ack: i do :) [18:58] syn-ack: you can't imagine how many sub-wonderings about postfix I have in mind [18:58] How goes it this fine day, everyone? [18:58] * DanaG tries it... [18:58] Le-Chuck_ITA, Considering its Postfix, yes I can [18:59] I love Postfix but man it can be quite a b**CH to get running nicely [19:00] most of the mta's are the same - with different bits being hard [19:02] syn-ack: but fundamentally, I don't absolutely need postfix on my laptop and *am not going to* configure my mail server with authentication into it [19:02] hehehe\ [19:03] http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/EliteBook-karmic-20090719-2.png [19:03] Took longer. [19:03] Hmm, any other ideas? [19:04] DanaG: get a faster disk :) [19:05] ohh remove usplash [19:05] cupsd seems to be taking a second or two to startup - do you remote print to it? [19:05] DanaG: your modprob is killing the boot [19:06] ntfs??? [19:06] lose that [19:06] DanaG: using 3G? [19:06] has someone seen putty sessions hanging open when exiting on Ubuntu karmic? the SSH process goes "defunct" [19:06] modem manager / nm is making the system wait a bit too [19:06] Nope, no 3G modem. [19:06] cPF: putty? on a system with native SSh? [19:07] Why is putty even starting as a daemon? [19:07] DanaG: any form of modem required? [19:07] BUGabundo: putty on remote side and ubuntu as server, i had the suspicion it is ecryptfs related [19:07] Nope, not really. [19:07] DanaG: you may be able to loose MM and then gain 2 secs [19:09] secondly processes don't terminate when i press ctrl+c, or even with plain killall (tail -100f messages for example) [19:09] cPF: do they die on a kill -9 of that process? [19:10] yes [19:10] i wonder if it is just me [19:10] gotta' go for now. [19:11] i have plain /etc/inputrc so that's not the issue.. it used to work [19:12] cPF: Well I can ctrl-c from an ssh to my own box [19:12] ok [19:12] (just tried with the tail -f /var/log/messages [19:27] ok, now i see that the putty hanging is PAM related [19:27] works after disabling PAM in sshd_config [19:27] odd [19:29] how do i set up autologin in karmic? [19:29] manually in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf [19:30] argh >_< thanks cPF [19:30] not cool [19:30] graphical config was removed due to upgrading gdm [19:30] i've noticed [19:30] linux.... all about the regressions :D [19:31] DreadKnight: AFAIK you can't, via GUI [19:31] DreadKnight: s/linux/floss devel/ [19:31] BUGabundo, yup :3 [19:33] it seems they are introducing more bugs as the release date closes in [19:33] cPF, it's always like that indeed [19:33] this ctrl+c bug is so annoying [19:35] what does it say when you type "stty"? [19:35] i have -brkint -imaxbel [19:36] which seems wrong? [19:37] never had this bad regression in the unstable gentoo land :P [19:57] bugabundo: done http://ubuntustats.dnsalias.net/ubuntu+1.html [19:58] woot [19:58] d'oh [19:58] now there are only TWO avatares andresmujica LOLOL [19:59] hooo a first pic of Hobbsee !! [20:04] guys we need more avatar pics from YOU to fill in at http://ubuntustats.dnsalias.net/ubuntu+1.html [20:05] kklimonda: syn-ack penguin42 dupondje yofel Twigathy BluesKaj ^^^^^^^^^^ [20:05] BUGabundo, Looking for a pic right now. [20:06] BUGabundo, I'm still trying to get opensync to play nicely with my winmo PDA [20:06] I was going to say I don't remember syn-ack talking too much, bit then I remember it was from just today [20:06] * BUGabundo headslap [20:06] heh [20:06] syn-ack: I like wammy better [20:06] wammy? [20:07] Details man, Details. :P [20:07] wammu [20:07] meep [20:07] !info wammu [20:07] !info gammu [20:07] wammu (source: wammu): GTK application to control your mobile phone. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.30.1-2 (karmic), package size 542 kB, installed size 2172 kB [20:07] gammu (source: gammu): mobile phone management utility. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.24.0-1 (karmic), package size 273 kB, installed size 712 kB [20:07] And that will work with Windows Mobile? [20:08] try it and let us know [20:08] I don't have any win machine :) [20:08] HAH [20:08] all you had to do was say "I dont know but we do need a tester." :P [20:08] BUGabundo: well http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/v227/1381/37/n284000736_5609.jpg is my facebook profile image >_< [20:09] I don't think there are pictures of me where I don't look drunk, stoned or generally bad c_c [20:09] ahahaahah [20:10] Then at the other extreme is SUPER HIGH RES graduation photo which isn't terribly flattering either: http://twigathy.com/Grad-blah.jpeg [20:10] :D [20:11] true [20:11] * BUGabundo laughs at Twigathy mini eyebrows [20:11] c_c [20:12] did you burn them on a chemist class ?! hehhe [20:12] Vaguely more on-topic... does anybody here use twitux? It seems to have totally stopped doing anything useful recently [20:12] pass, I don't know :o they are just blonde-coloured, so very feint [20:49] I am trying to write a data DVD in brasero, with karmic [20:49] It doesn't seem to detect my DVD writer, so I ran brasero with -g [20:50] That wasn't really much help to me. [20:50] What would some good diagnostic steps to take be? [20:53] Giles: known bug [20:53] BUGabundo: is there a workaround? [20:54] not sure [20:54] look at LP for the bug [20:54] I don't have it with me [20:54] BUGabundo: I don't know what bug# it would be, nor what you mean by LP. [20:56] hi guys :D [20:57] hi dupondje [20:59] damn, sound is death again :P [21:02] !launchpad | Gilles [21:02] Gilles: Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/ [21:02] dupondje: 50% of my boots end with sound muted [21:02] I haven't found a reason for it [21:04] BUGabundo: Which bug were you referring to? [21:04] !launchpad | Gilles [21:04] argh, I can't start pulseaudio manually anymore :( [21:04] dupondje: $ pulseaudio -k [21:04] upstart starting it ? [21:04] BUGabundo: I know, but its getting restarted by something ;) [21:04] do that several times until it dies for good and then auto restart [21:05] !launchpad | Giles [21:05] Giles, please see my private message [21:05] dupondje: its meant like that [21:05] ahahaahah bot [21:05] !launchpad > Gilles [21:05] doh s/gilles/giles [21:05] My name is Giles not Gilles [21:05] !launchpad > Giles [21:05] Giles, please see my private message [21:06] BUGabundo: yea ofc, but I would like to get it started with debug [21:06] dupondje: there used to be a conf to make PA not auto spawn [21:07] dupondje: $ gksu gedit /etc/pulse/client.conf [21:07] line 26 to false [21:07] E: alsa-sink.c: ALSA woke us up to write new data to the device, but there was actually nothing to write! [21:07] E: alsa-sink.c: Most likely this is a bug in the ALSA driver 'snd_hda_intel'. Please report this issue to the ALSA developers. [21:07] E: alsa-sink.c: We were woken up with POLLOUT set -- however a subsequent snd_pcm_avail() returned 0 or another value < min_avail. [21:09] BUGabundo: ok so LP = Launchpad, now, there are hundreds of bugs there, I have already been using google to try to find someone with the same problem, but wasn't able to find anything specific. [21:10] Giles: let me ask around [21:10] maybe this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brasero/+bug/293556 [21:10] Ubuntu bug 293556 in brasero "Brasero doesn't recognize usb ARCHOS CDRW" [Low,Incomplete] [21:10] Giles: whats the problem ? [21:11] Brasero doesn't recognise my CDRW [21:11] I mean DVDRW [21:11] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brasero/+bug/397776 [21:11] Ubuntu bug 397776 in brasero "Unable to find any device" [Low,Incomplete] [21:14] hey geser [21:18] BUGabundo: well I am using 2.27.4 Also comments in the bug suggest It works when run as root, but it doesn't for me. [21:18] Is it possible to force reload a module [21:19] without needing to reboot ? :P [21:19] rmmod [21:19] and modprobe [21:19] ERROR: Removing 'snd_hda_intel': Resource temporarily unavailable [21:19] :P [21:20] I think you can force it. [21:20] -f [21:20] its dangerous though [21:21] how do you replace config files by the fresh originals? [21:21] doesn't work ;) [21:21] dupondje: oh well. [21:21] dupondje: its in use probably. [21:21] use lsmod [21:23] U can't mean it I will need to reboot ;) [21:23] cPF: You can un-install the package using apt-get --purge remove [21:23] if thats what you want. [21:23] i tried, but it somehow found my old configs [21:24] there seems to be a backup somewhere [21:24] cPF: not sure then sorry. [21:28] cPF: they are on mem, until cleared and not in use [21:28] so purge, reboot, reinstall [21:31] BUGabundo: pretty sure not.. i'm just trying to restore /etc/ssh/sshd_config and they seem to be in "debconf-db" [21:31] stupid PA.... needme to kill it 15 TIMES!!!! darn resistent guy! [21:31] cPF: purge is supposed to remove any evidence of it. if it doesn't it's a bug [21:31] please file it accordingly [21:38] wtf [21:38] now I have some 'cracking' [21:38] but still no audio :( [21:50] fixed :D [21:50] damn shit ;) [21:51] please control your language [21:51] excuses ikonia :) [21:51] it was the frustration of the moment :) [21:51] please controls it in future [21:52] please express your anger. [21:53] DreadKnight: please don't try to provoke, all ubuntu channels have a family friendly/non-cursing policy [21:54] my family doesn't hands out on IRC, this place is only for frustrated geeks :D [21:54] just messing with you man [21:54] DreadKnight: I'm not joking so :D doesn't help [21:54] DreadKnight: I'm explaining the channel policy to a user, who has politley agreed to it, don't try to change/provoke it [21:55] chill out dude xD [21:56] DreadKnight: no, please don't try to provoke things, and doing :D and xD doesn't help. [21:57] you're a funny guy :) [21:58] DreadKnight: please drop the topic now, and keep in mind for future reference, don't try to provoke things [21:58] "please insert coin to continue...." === geser_ is now known as geser [22:10] back [22:15] OpenOffice startup image is wrong btw [22:15] OpenOffice 3.0 ... [22:15] its 3.1 ;) [22:16] ehehehe [22:16] its usual bug [22:16] I think that one hit *every* OOo version [22:44] what the cli command to list battery and temperature? [22:44] I think it was acpi something [22:44] btu not working [22:44] sensors :P [22:46] nope [22:47] but I need to get that and put the applet [22:47] this is why I hate to reinstall [22:47] everything is missing [22:47] BUGabundo: it *is* acpi [22:49] how do I change my display brightness? [22:50] BUGabundo, Thats what kickstarts are for [22:50] ;) [22:51] $ acpi [22:51] The program 'acpi' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: bash: acpi: command not found [22:51] o.O [22:51] that's somewhat... wrong [22:51] acpi was demoted to universe some time ago [22:52] hey dtchen. welcome [22:53] hi [22:54] dtchen: I think I already asked you this, but why the two volume applets? [22:54] and how can I regain the old full control volume levers? [22:54] I formated and now I can't see it, so no way to choose MIC from both I have [22:56] BUGabundo: i don't have two volume applets; gnome-volume-control-pulse is no longer in the repository. See the rdepends for it (implying that it has been replaced): [22:57] Version: 2.27.4-0ubuntu2 [22:57] Replaces: gnome-volume-control-pulse [22:57] (that's gnome-media) [22:57] i have 2 volume controls [22:57] for a fresh user? [22:57] yeah [22:57] reinstalled last week [22:57] i don't have access to a gui, so i can't verify it [22:58] one looks to be for sound preferences, and the other is volume applet [22:58] BUGabundo: you can still use pavucontrol as a stop-gap measure [22:59] dtchen: this is fresh install! just did it on Friday! even live cd add them [22:59] dtchen: of course I installed pavu. but I see no way to choose between two mics :/ [23:00] BUGabundo: in the input devices tab? [23:00] are they not listed? [23:00] only see monitor internal audio and internal audio dtchen [23:01] BUGabundo: can you pastebin your alsa-info output? [23:02] sure [23:02] ohh right now I only have one mic plug-in (the on board). the other is from head phones [23:02] does that matter dtchen? [23:03] so, is there a way in karmic to lower my screen's brightness? [23:03] and maybe even get my brightness buttons to work? [23:03] schristie: laptop buttons work for me, but the bright applet doesn't. [23:04] can somebody check: open gnome-terminal, open a new tab while in homedir, and the new tab opens dir in / instead of homedir :( [23:04] but it does work on the bright configuration [23:04] dupondje: I've open a bug for something like that early on karmic [23:04] schristie: there are a couple ways at least if the necessary interfaces are exposed. you _may_ be able to do it via devicekit; you should be able to do it if you install acpi and meddle in /proc [23:04] dupondje: that's a dupe [23:05] it changed when opening a new tab from inside another running cli app [23:05] BUGabundo: yes. what sort of headphones are they? usb? [23:05] dtchen: nope. jack [23:05] BUGabundo: oh. in that case it shouldn't matter. [23:05] dtchen how? [23:06] schristie: "how" to which? [23:06] dupondje, when i open a new tab in my home, it opens in my home [23:06] dtchen whichever is more likely to work [23:07] billybigrigger: but if you open MAN and try again, you won't! !!!!! [23:07] man empathy, then open a new tab opens in my home dir [23:08] billybigrigger: man nano ; ctrl+t; http://dossy.org/2007/10/character-counting-plugin-for-pidgin/ [23:08] schristie: i have no idea which is more likely to work; you haven't provided any additional hw info. Still, please see /proc/acpi/video/VGA/*/brightness [23:08] eerr [23:08] billybigrigger: man nano ; ctrl+t; bugabundo@BluBUG:/usr/share/man$ [23:09] dtchen: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/401513 [23:09] Ubuntu bug 401513 in alsa-driver "two volume applets in karmic" [Undecided,New] [23:09] ahhh [23:09] only when you have an app running [23:09] ic now :P [23:11] dtchen I don't see video under /proc/acpi [23:11] BUGabundo, was it you saying you had gotten your webcam working the other day? [23:12] schristie: then you don't have that option available to you. the wiki also has information about hotkey debugging. [23:12] BUGabundo: in alsa-driver ? [23:13] dupondje: that's the default package that the apport hook uses. [23:17] BUGabundo: if you use pavucontrol, it's likely due to the card profile [23:18] BUGabundo: i presume in the configuration tab that you have output analog + input analog selected? [23:20] BUGabundo: the method that always works is definitely suboptimal from a UX perspective: alsamixer [23:20] BUGabundo: namely, the 'Input Source',x elements [23:25] BUGabundo / dtchen - bug 401513 is because we're currently shipping mixer-applet and gnome-volume-control-applet in karmic [23:25] Launchpad bug 401513 in alsa-driver "two volume applets in karmic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/401513 [23:25] the mixer-applet will be disabled next time gnome-applets is uploaded [23:28] chrisccoulson: great [23:29] dtchen,bugabundo just made the dirty work (closing it :P ) [23:29] ok, i'm having serious graphical issues right now [23:29] even on VTs [23:29] dtchen: output analog + input analog yes [23:29] there are alot of issues :( [23:29] gah, i can't even read anything [23:30] gvfs for samba broken / aptitude download display broken [23:30] andresmujica: I just open that so dtchen would have an update alsa log [23:31] andresmujica: i marked it a dupe === BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo [23:54] can anyone help me get compiz working? http://pastebin.ca/1500518 [23:56] updated with dmesg output: http://pastebin.ca/1500519