[08:39] <alkisg> !info dnsmasq
[08:43] <alkisg> !info dnsmasq-base
[13:40] <Pete_B> Hi. As I understand it, to install an Ubuntu 9.04 Education Edition server I need to boot with the Ubuntu 9.04 Alternate CD, press F4 and choose 'LTSP. However when I press F4, the only option is 'Normal'. How come?
[13:43] <nubae> Pete_B, u probably did not download alternate
[13:43] <nubae> and its the desktop alternate cd u need
[13:43] <Pete_B> nubae: that's presicely what I think I have. It doesn;t offer 'try Ubuntu without touching the machine' menu option, so that's Alternate right?
[13:44] <nubae> yeah think so
[13:45] <Pete_B> nubae: why's it not on the Server CD anyway? being as LTSP's a server program?
[13:45] <nubae> good question
[13:46] <nubae> well, think its because it needs the desktop files
[13:46] <Pete_B> I see
[13:46] <Pete_B> Hey...I've just tried this CD a third time and this time the 4 options are there. How incredibly weird.
[13:50] <highvoltage> Pete_B, nubae: I believe it's because LTSP needs a desktop environment to work
[13:53] <Pete_B> highvoltage: thanks for that
[16:32] <_UsUrPeR_> does anyone know how to change the NIC wakeonlan broadcasts from?
[17:20] <LaserJock> good news people
[17:20] <LaserJock> we're building a DVD! \o/
[17:21] <alkisg> Yeah! Starting from the Ubuntu DVD and ripping it down?
[17:22] <LaserJock> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dvd/
[17:22] <ogra> LaserJock, probably it would be helpful to ask cjwatson to add you to the reciever list for build failures :)
[17:22] <LaserJock> and yes, right now it is *exactly* the Ubuntu DVD
[17:22] <LaserJock> ogra: those are .iso build failures?
[17:22]  * ogra got various chunks of mail on the WE while it was being set up and not working 
[17:22] <ogra> yeah
[17:23] <LaserJock> stgraber: around?
[17:23] <ogra> it has to happen in the build scripts
[17:41] <highvoltage> hi everyone
[17:45] <LaserJock> yikes, sabayon has been removed from Debian
[17:49] <highvoltage> LaserJock: why?
[17:49] <LaserJock> most likely because it's been broken for so long
[17:49] <LaserJock> I think Debian has had an ancient version forever
[17:49] <LaserJock> and I doubt it works with Gnome 2.26
[17:50] <LaserJock> unfortunately it seems that it's so dependent on distro that you have to have somebody from your distro in upstream to have a chance of keeping it working
[17:50] <highvoltage> pretty much like ltsp
[17:54] <LaserJock> except is seems that only Red Hat/openSUSE people are doing much, other than sbalneav
[19:13] <Machi> hey guys
[19:13] <Machi> Can someone help me making an internal hard drive stay mounted
[19:19] <Lns> Machi...not when you leave 4 minutes after asking =p
[19:25] <LaserJock> phew, so we've got to untangle these Ubuntu seeds
[19:28] <Lns> LaserJock: untangle seeds?
[19:28] <Michelle_Qimo1> LaserJock: it was you with whom I was talking about doing 'user guides' for the edubuntu apps, correct?  If yes, I need some input.
[19:29] <LaserJock> Lns: we've got a DVD going now, but we need to figure out what files need to be added/edited to get our Edu stuff going
[19:29] <LaserJock> Michelle_Qimo1: yep, what do you need?
[19:30] <Michelle_Qimo1> I'm not familiar enough with Ubuntu's official documentation styles, and I'm concerned that for parents and teachers those styles will be offputting at any rate.  Would you be ok with just a guide on how the apps work?
[19:33] <LaserJock> Michelle_Qimo1: yeah, maybe the first step is to just get guides on the individual apps
[19:33] <Michelle_Qimo1> that's my thought, as well.
[19:33] <LaserJock> then we can figure out how exactly we want to "package" it
[19:33] <Michelle_Qimo1> sounds reasonable to me.  Where would you like me to put these things as I get them done?
[19:33] <LaserJock> are you going to write them in docbook or wiki?
[19:34] <Michelle_Qimo1> erm, right now, I am just making my notes, and will go from there.  I was thinking wiki, as I got the impression that styles weren't quite such a big deal for the wiki documentation area.
[19:35] <Michelle_Qimo1> I'd like to submit them to docbook eventually, but again, am so unfamiliar with the packaging it'll take me a bit.
[19:36] <LaserJock> ok, so maybe the first step would be to just wiki'ze it, which means we can also get more review/contributions
[19:36] <Michelle_Qimo1> sounds good.
[19:36] <mhall119|work> once the text is written, it will be significantly easier to convert
[19:37] <LaserJock> Michelle_Qimo1: so how about using wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/AppGuides/ for a namespace
[19:37] <Michelle_Qimo1> AppGuides would be good
[19:37] <LaserJock> so just make /Edubuntu/AppGuides/<name of app> pages
[19:37] <Michelle_Qimo1> mhall119|work: you can help me figure that out, right?
[19:37] <mhall119|work> erm...
[19:37] <Michelle_Qimo1> I'll figure it out
[19:38] <Michelle_Qimo1> :-)
[19:38] <mhall119|work> The Ubuntu wiki is different from mediawiki, which I am using for growingupfree.org
[19:38] <LaserJock> ah, right
[19:38] <LaserJock> it's moinmoin
[19:38] <mhall119|work> it has nice templating features that I'm not real familiar with
[19:38] <Michelle_Qimo1> ok, well, I'll go figure out something.
[19:38] <Michelle_Qimo1> :-)
[19:38] <LaserJock> Michelle_Qimo1: if you have a Launchpad account you can just log into the wiki and then point your browser to the URL you want to create
[19:39] <LaserJock> Michelle_Qimo1: there will be an option on the page that comes up to start a new page
[19:39] <Michelle_Qimo1> I do have a launchpad account.  awesome
[19:39] <LaserJock> Michelle_Qimo1: as far as syntax, I think there's a quick guide at the bottom of the editor box
[19:40] <Michelle_Qimo1> LaserJock: thanks for being patient with me
[19:40] <LaserJock> no, thank you for being willing to contribute!
[19:41] <Michelle_Qimo1> just gotta get the structure figured out.  :-D
[19:42] <Michelle_Qimo1> ah ha.
[19:43] <Michelle_Qimo1> excellent.
[19:45] <Michelle_Qimo1> OK, wonderful.  gCompris is going to take me a couple of days to finish up, I might have to add it in parts to start with, since it's quite large in terms of game selection.
[19:45] <Michelle_Qimo1> I'll keep everyone posted!
[19:49] <mhall119|work> Michelle_Qimo1: remind me tonight to help you get a GPG key onto launchpad, and get the code of conduct signed
[19:50] <Michelle_Qimo1> ok
[19:52] <mhall119|work> it might also be good to join the Edubuntu team in launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~edubuntu-members
[19:53] <Michelle_Qimo1> LaserJock: and any one else...  would my joining the team be OK?
[19:54] <LaserJock> ah
[19:54] <LaserJock> well, actually the Edubuntu Members is about the only team we have that has requirements for admittance
[19:55] <Michelle_Qimo1> aah
[19:55] <Michelle_Qimo1> ok
[19:55] <LaserJock> because becoming an Edubuntu Member also gives you Ubuntu Membership so we have to have the same requirements
[19:55] <LaserJock> the requirement is "significant and sustained contribution"
[19:55] <LaserJock> something roughly like 2-3 of active work on the project
[19:55] <Michelle_Qimo1> ok.  Well, I've been considering applying for Ubuntu membership once these App guides are rolling, so I'll add that to my list.
[19:56] <mhall119|work> should we apply for Ubuntu Membership first then?
[19:56] <LaserJock> no
[19:56] <LaserJock> you can choose to Ubuntu Membership or Edubuntu Membership
[19:56] <Michelle_Qimo1> oh
[19:56] <LaserJock> the later gives you Ubuntu Membership automatically
[19:56] <Michelle_Qimo1> aah
[19:56] <LaserJock> so it's just up to you really
[19:57] <Michelle_Qimo1> darn touchpad on my laptop.  closing things
[19:59] <LaserJock> Michelle_Qimo1: yeah, I turn of the tap-to-click on my touchpad so I don't do things like that
[19:59] <LaserJock> *off
[19:59] <Michelle_Qimo1> mhall119|work has that on his list of things to teach me when he gets home.  :-)
[20:00] <LaserJock> Michelle_Qimo1: it should be in the Touchpad tab of System -> Preferences -> Mouse
[20:01] <Michelle_Qimo1> ah.  I see it
[20:01] <Michelle_Qimo1> that's better, I think.
[20:01] <Michelle_Qimo1> thanks.  :-)
[20:04] <mhall119|work> LaserJock: there is a new Gnome utility called GPointingDeviceSettings that has some better options than just disbling tap-to-click all together
[20:04] <LaserJock> cool
[20:04] <mhall119|work> I think it's targetted for Karmic, but I compiled it on Jaunty and it works
[20:05] <mhall119|work> has a "Palm Detection" setting, which can tell when it's your palm not fingers on the touchpad
[20:07] <Michelle_Qimo1> LaserJock: thanks for your help.  I will keep you posted as I work on these appguides.
[20:09] <LaserJock> Michelle_Qimo1: don't hesitate to email edubuntu-devel with your progress of if you want some advice/help
[20:10] <Michelle_Qimo1> ok, will so.  :-)
[20:10] <Michelle_Qimo1> do
[21:03] <spursncowboys> Is anyone available on here?
[21:07] <Lns> http://sev.prnewswire.com/computer-software/20090709/SF4399909072009-1.html
[21:07] <Lns> !question
[21:07] <Lns> spursncowboys: ^^ :)
[21:08] <spursncowboys> Hi lns
[21:08] <Lns> hi spursncowboys
[21:09] <Lns> lol
[21:09] <Lns> afk, bbl
[21:20] <highvoltage> hi Lns
[22:35] <Lns> hey highvoltage