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QuintasanJontheEchidna: I think we can change this to transition package to whatever-we-use-now00:22
macoseele, er, yeah i meant kickorr01:50
macoseele, at least if you use focus follows mouse, it closes when the mouse moves off. it seems silly to me that it should close when focus is lost, because this means if you're imprecise with your mouse, you lose however many menus you've navigated through...and with the 3 level menus...oy01:51
seeleyeah.. well the 3 level menus i hope we ill get rid of01:51
seelei dont see a benefit of adding another layer to save on scrolling when the navigation sucks01:52
macooh yeah, patch accepted for kate01:55
macoi think... lemme re-read message01:55
macohmm i dont know if dhaumman meant they accepted the patch *email* to the mailing list or accepted the patch itself01:56
shtylmanRiddell: I emailed you as well, lp:~shtylman/ubiquity/kde_themeing/02:34
rgreeningshtylman: how goes the ubiquity?02:45
rgreeningwe up to snuff with ubuntu version shtylman02:45
shtylmanrgreening: lp:~shtylman/ubiquity/kde_themeing02:45
shtylmanrgreening: havn't run the latest ubuntu version (and don't know about the slideshot stuff yet) ... but looks wise..I think we are getting there02:46
shtylmanrgreening: http://shtylman.com/stuff/kubuntu_installer/version4/02:46
shtylmanthose are the actual installer screens now02:46
shtylmanI finishes the bulk of the migration today02:47
shtylmanneed to make a timezone screenshot...it looks pretty good too02:47
rgreeningit does look slick :)02:47
rgreeningwe need the slide show too02:47
shtylmanyea...I need to see what the interface is for that and whatnot02:48
rgreeningI think it was just html with images02:48
rgreeninglast I heard.. so we should be able to use. just update some screen shots for KDE02:48
rgreeningand any text in slideshow02:49
rgreeningthis release is looking to be a lot prettier than others :P02:49
shtylmanindeed :)02:51
shtylmanalright...I will look into it throughout this week02:51
shtylmanand I still need to tackle the OEM side...02:51
rgreeningshtylman: did open office ever get those patches in for KDE?02:51
shtylmanbut that needs to happen after ubiquity02:51
shtylmanrgreening: yea...the work I did was put into the go-oo repo ages ago02:51
rgreeningand karmic has this shtylman02:52
shtylmanI am actually working with (or should be helping more) a guy from sun bring the patches into the main OO02:52
shtylmanrgreening: don't know about that...02:52
rgreeningI don't think it was updated. My OOO looks ugly as sin02:52
shtylmanrgreening: mine as well02:52
shtylmanrgreening: I don't know if they have brought over the packages in a while02:53
shtylmanrgreening: all the packagers/builders need to do is build with --enable-kde4 ... I think they know this02:53
rgreeningneed to bug the oo maintainer to update...02:53
shtylmanrgreening: so it should happen...02:53
rgreeningshtylman: maybe a friendly reminder to one of the maintainers to ensure this happens02:53
shtylmanpossibly :)02:58
shtylmanrgreening: but yea... I think the current installer look is good..needs a few tweaks and whatnot... and I still have to tackle the cool keyboard thing I want to try. But mostly there...I tried to keep it workable for small screens, cause i know that is important to us03:05
shtylmanwith work eating up my time during the week...it has become harder to do the cool stuff :)03:07
rgreeningI know the feeling. Im on a big server project and it requires a tacacs server.. so Im packaging it for karmic (since we dont have it). :)03:08
rgreeningno time for kde stuff03:09
shtylmanyea...the downside of real work :(03:09
rgreeningyeah. its fun. leaning dbconfig-common for the auto db configuration.03:09
rgreeningscary stuff hahha03:09
shtylmanI bet03:09
rgreeningbut at least my packaging from scratch skills are being improved03:10
shtylmanthats good03:10
shtylmanalways usefull to know03:10
ScottKPushed a git snapshot of quassel to Ubuntu.05:49
ScottKIn my PPA for Jaunty05:50
\shNightrose: happy birthday my dear :)09:49
Nightrosethanks \sh :) *hug*09:52
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ryanakcashtylman: Yes, I have them in my stack of papers here somewheres. They aren't implemented yet, I got stuck on how the top of it should me. Should I get them into an SVG and give some advice on them so they can start getting implemented?11:10
shtylmanryanakca: yea...once you start the mockup process you will change things here and there and others can give input...the hardest part is just starting something...after that you can just "flow" with it :)12:05
ryanakcaScottK: finished your HardwareTesting page13:01
ScottKryanakca: Thanks.13:11
Riddellhmm, today's live CD not working13:33
ryanakcaRiddell: Would you like to commit my first patch to the KDE svn?13:43
Riddellryanakca: ooh, what is it?13:45
ryanakcaRiddell: against plasmapkg, http://w310-187.caslab.queensu.ca/~ryan/ryan-conflict-plasmapkg.diff13:46
ryanakcain the path trunk/KDE/kdebase/runtime/plasma/tools/plasmapkg/13:47
Riddellryanakca: got a bug number, or something to put in the commit message?13:48
ryanakcaRiddell: no, but I can file a bug... otherwise, for the commit message, "Check for conflicting options global and packageroot in plasmapkg" or something of the sort.13:51
Riddellkde rev 99974413:59
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=999744&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 99974413:59
Riddellryanakca: voila!14:00
ryanakcaRiddell: haha, I just reported the bug, kde bug 20086914:01
ubottuKDE bug 200869 in general "plasmapkg options "global" and "packageroot" conflict each other without an error message" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20086914:01
Riddellguess you can close it now :)14:02
ryanakcaRiddell: great, thanks :D14:04
* Riddell closes14:04
ryanakcaAlready done14:04
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nixternalgood morning Kubuntu!!!15:34
Mamarokhi nixternal :)15:35
nixternalhowdy Mamarok and Tonio_16:06
ScottKTonio_: Howdy.16:07
Tonio_ScottK: hey :) I'm finally back...16:12
Tonio_damn that was exhausting...16:13
ScottKTonio_: So are you employed?16:13
Tonio_ScottK: I just looked at what was done for kubuntu-netbook-ds16:13
Tonio_ScottK: hum, undecided yet, there are 2 possibilities16:13
ScottKTonio_: possibilities are good.16:13
Tonio_ScottK: what was uploaded was exactly what I wanted to do with kds, so that's fine16:14
ScottKTonio_: Great.16:14
Tonio_ScottK: since I was away I may have missed the point.... any news about plasma-mid ?16:14
ScottKI think we have a good basis for Alpha 3 this week and getting some testing.16:14
ScottKTonio_: We almost have it in a PPA.16:15
Tonio_great, really :)16:15
* Tonio_ can't wait to test it16:15
Tonio_ScottK: to we have a netbook-edition project page ?16:15
ScottKTonio_: I think it's kubuntu-netbook team PPA.16:15
RiddellTonio_: there was a talk about plasma-netbook at GCDS, they say it'll likely be ready for Karmic16:15
nixternalRiddell: we (everyone in #kubuntu-netbook) has been working with morpheuz on hopefully having a decent working release for Karmic, but we think it will be more complete for karmic+1 unless something changed16:18
Tonio_Riddell: great16:18
Riddellnixternal: yeah that sounds right16:18
nixternalI am enjoying playing with their code in svn :)16:18
ScottKnixternal and Riddell: The trick is we'll need to patch kdelibs/kdebase*/kdeplasma-addons to get it to work in 4.3.16:19
nixternalright, forgot to mention that part16:19
ScottKWe can have those patches in by feature freeze.16:19
ScottKSo we have plenty of time to make sure we catch any regressions.16:19
nixternaloh wow, more KDE is a 2nd class citizen posts....holy shite I think I am going to puke already16:26
nixternalok, I don't remember because I didn't pay much attention to gnome in years back, but when gnome wasn't installed by default by a majority of distros, were people calling it a 2nd class citizen?16:26
* ScottK is actually kind of glad we're a second class citizen.16:30
* ScottK thinks we got a much better deal about Ayatana for one thing as a result.16:30
nixternalScottK: hehe, true16:34
* ryanakca hopes Kobby will get through Debian NEW by feature freeze16:35
DaskreeCHDebian's feature freeze?16:37
DaskreeCHCan someone look at the install packages page for Kubuntu16:37
DaskreeCHit's pretty badly outdated16:38
ryanakcaDaskreeCH: Ours16:38
DaskreeCHryanakca: why the tie to ours?16:38
* DaskreeCH is ignorant16:38
ryanakcaDaskreeCH: simply because it's in Debian and I'd like to get it synced :)16:38
DaskreeCHok :)16:38
ScottKryanakca: Put Kobby on REVU and get someone to upload it to Ubuntu.  After it's out of New, we can sync.16:40
DaskreeCHnixternal: Maybe people thought it was natural that Gnome should be a second class citizen and so didn't complain?16:40
ryanakcaScottK: already done :)16:40
ubottuYou can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords or regex>", or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!16:40
ubottuUbuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate16:40
ScottKryanakca: In that case feature freeze won't be an issue.16:41
DaskreeCHDapper release notes?16:41
ryanakcaScottK: Ah, ok16:41
* DaskreeCH sighs16:41
ScottKryanakca: Going from -0ubuntu1 to -1 isn't a feature issue.16:41
ScottKWe have a lot more documentation writers than maintainers.16:58
ScottKIt's a problem.16:58
Riddellmeh, logging into KDE doesn't work17:13
ScottKTonio_: It looks like policykit and jockey-kde are not playing nicely with each other in Karmic.  Any chance you could look into this?17:25
Tonio_ScottK: hum yup17:29
Tonio_toonight probably17:30
* Tonio_ notes17:30
ScottKTonio_: Thanks.17:30
ScottKLots of netbooks with broadcom wireless, so it's important it work for netbook.17:30
Tonio_ScottK: is network manager plasmoid working for you ?17:33
Tonio_doesn't seem to connect wireless on my side17:33
ScottKTonio_: Works only for unencrypted right now in Karmic.17:34
* ScottK has been getting reacquainted with ifup/ifdown.17:34
Tonio_ScottK: yup, I have a snapshot package here... testing17:35
ScottKTonio_: Snapshot is reportedly not a great idea currently due to lots of rewriting going on.17:35
ScottKDidn't try it though.17:35
CIA-74Kubuntu: apachelogger * r9 kcm-gtk/ (CMakeLists.txt Changelog kcmgtk.desktop):17:39
CIA-74Kubuntu: * Don't install desktop file to xdg applications but KDE 4's service directory17:39
CIA-74Kubuntu: * Cleanup desktop file17:39
Tonio_ScottK: kk17:39
Riddelldavmor2: ping, did you test Kubuntu Cds the other day?17:52
ScottKRiddell: I've booted the netbook one from yesterday.17:53
apacheloggerScottK: splitting out akonadiconsole completely is quite intrusive to the current packaging (which uses loads of wildcards), so I'll just move the bin to a seperate package and patch the desktop file to tryexec akonadiconsole18:06
apacheloggerthen it should only appear in the menu if the seperate package (i.e. the bin) is installed18:06
ScottKapachelogger: Sounds reasonable.18:07
apacheloggernot the cleanest solution but better than revising the wildcards to even more wildcards18:07
ScottKapachelogger: It might be good to discuss which approach to take with Debian so we don't end up with permanent diff.18:07
apacheloggerScottK: yeah, I really think you should do that :P18:08
apacheloggerwe really only have: 1) live with the development category 2) hide the desktop file completely (least changes) 3) split the binary and make the desktop file tryexec 4) split all the akonadiconsole stuff18:09
ScottKapachelogger: /me is about to vanish into a puff of offline smoke for many hours ($WORK)18:10
apacheloggerme too :P18:10
neversfeldeis there something wrong with the SRU for bug 221531 ?18:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 221531 in kopete-plugin-thinklight "Thinklight doesn't blink because /proc/acpi/ibm/thinklight has wrong permissions" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22153118:11
apacheloggerRiddell: do we need qt4-qtconfig in the default install?18:11
Riddelldon't think so18:11
apacheloggerRiddell: can we blacklist it somehow, or should I move it from recommends to suggests?18:11
Riddellmove it to suggests18:12
apacheloggerneversfelde: poke some motu-sru people18:12
Riddellalthough I seem to remember something like gnome people like it because they can change themes without all of KDE installed18:12
neversfeldeapachelogger: I tried, but no reaction so far18:12
Riddellbut that doesn't sound like something I care much about18:13
apacheloggerRiddell: also: due to GTK+theming in Qt this should not be too useful anymore18:14
apacheloggerif people wanna change it to another Qt native theme then they can install it manually :P18:14
apacheloggerneversfelde: mail some list and create fuzz :P18:14
apacheloggerpossibly rant about how slow the SRUing is18:14
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: somehow I doubt https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/qt/ubuntu is used?18:15
apacheloggerthe qt tarball should be lzma compressed18:16
apacheloggerwhat a big load of data that is18:16
neversfeldeuh, I guess it is not a good idea from upstream to split the software in 3 parts and pack it in one tarball :)18:16
apacheloggerthey do?18:17
ryanakcaIs there any way to work around something like http://w310-187.caslab.queensu.ca/~ryan/plasma-widget-facebook.log ?18:18
apacheloggerfix plasmapkg18:19
neversfeldemhh, they split it in applet, engine and icon part and that is a plasma widget :)18:20
apacheloggersounds sensible to a certain degree18:20
* apachelogger is wondering what he contributed to ubiquity that canonical starts moaning about how he should sign a contributor agreement18:21
seeleScottK: which quassel package do i want? quassel_ or quassel-client?18:28
ryanakcaapachelogger: And what would they do to you if you didn't?18:28
apacheloggerremove my contribution?18:28
apacheloggerFor this, you are granted a very broad license in return.18:29
apacheloggerYou will retain full rights to re-use, distribute, and continue18:29
apacheloggermodifying the contributed code.18:29
apacheloggerclearly I should be sending cookies to canonical for actually using a free software license in a free software project, huh?18:30
apacheloggerwoah, that document is horribly long18:30
ryanakcaapachelogger: ... but isn't ubiquity GPL 2+? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/annotate/head%3A/ubiquity/casper.py18:31
Riddellshtylman: I compiled the ubiquity you gave me and installed the packages on a live session but it has an error when running debconf.DebconfError: (10, "ubiquity/steps doesn't exist")18:33
apacheloggerbah, this makes me shiver ... first it sez that  Igrant canonical about every right one can have and then it sez canonical grants all the rights back to me18:33
* ryanakca wonders at how people haven't forked Ubiquity if they have to sign such an agreement.18:33
apachelogger"i will execute any documents and perform any acts that canonical request from time to time to enable canonical to protect, perfect, enforce and enjoy the rights assigned and/or granted to it under this agreement at canonical's expense"18:35
apacheloggersounds like I ought to get money for the time I have to invest in this18:36
Riddellapachelogger: where did all this come from?18:37
apacheloggerevan dandrea18:37
* apachelogger notes that this agreement raises quite some questions18:38
apachelogger8. If I am or become aware of any patent or other intellectual property right which is, or is likely to be, infringed by18:38
apacheloggerthe use of the Assigned Contributions, I will promptly notify Canonical.18:38
macoare they askng that you assign copyright to Canonical and then Canonical licenses it GPLv2+?18:38
apacheloggerso, like should I get employed at MS and find out that one of canonical's app is infringing a MS patent, do I have to tell canonical18:38
ryanakcabut if you make changes and distribute them, aren't they automagically GPLv2+ ?18:39
apacheloggereven more interesting ... what if my employment contract doesn't permit me to do that18:39
* ryanakca wouldn't sign it18:39
apacheloggerI grant to Canonical a world-wide, non-exclusive, royalty-free and18:40
apacheloggerperpetual licence to use, copy, modify, communicate and make available to the public (including without limitation18:40
apacheloggervia the Internet) and distribute, in each case in an original or modified form the "Assigned Contributions"18:40
apacheloggerthat is what I grant18:40
apachelogger12. This assignment is governed by English law and the parties submit to the exclusive jurisdiction of the courts18:40
apacheloggerof England and Wales over any claim or matter arising under or in connection with this assignment.18:40
ryanakca``The term "Software" refers to all computer programs created as part of a Canonical programme listed at http://canonical.com/contributors as amended from time to time" ... does that mean they could add whatever project you contributed to to that list and take ownership of your copyrights?18:41
apacheloggerhum, so I get all the trouble and if there shoudl be problems the courts of england and wales have jurisdiction18:41
apacheloggerryanakca: most likely18:42
apacheloggerright, good we got neversfelde18:44
apacheloggerneversfelde: please read http://www.canonical.com/system/files/Canonical%20Contributor%20Agreement%2C%20ver%202.5.pdf and tell us what you think about it18:45
Riddellkde rev 100000018:50
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=1000000&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 1000000 | Allow to also attach a selection model for the favorite collections. Still need to be synchronized with the collections selec...18:50
apacheloggerpretty lame commit :P18:50
apacheloggershould have been something like "switch kdelibs to gtk" :P18:51
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: moved kcm-gtk repo to kubuntu-members ownership18:54
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: still you'll merge the change and stuff :P18:55
apacheloggertoo much work already done today18:55
ghostcube_hmm is thee anything known if there will be an indepenent dashboard18:59
JontheEchidnathere's a setting for it in 4.318:59
ghostcube_:) aha in rc2 too i still havent found it19:00
JontheEchidnazoom out19:01
JontheEchidnathen hit configure plasma19:01
ghostcube_youre my pesonal hero for today19:01
neversfeldeapachelogger: what is this agreement for?19:06
apacheloggerneversfelde: contributions to canonical projects19:07
apacheloggersuch as ubiquity and jockey19:07
davmor2Riddell: yes started up and the n the upgrade killed it19:07
davmor2worked before the the upgrade though19:07
ghostcube_JontheEchidna: coolthats what i wanted heh19:07
ghostcube_works fine19:07
davmor2Riddell: I'm planning on doing some more testing after19:08
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neversfeldeapachelogger: I can have a look at it, but I am a german jurist, so I am not familiar with austrian law. Should be pretty the same, but I there might be differences.19:10
neversfeldeNightrose: Happy birthday19:14
Nightroseneversfelde: thx :)19:15
ghostcubegerman law sux at the moment19:15
neversfeldetax law is no law :)19:15
ghostcube-_- killerspiel verbot paintball verbot alle am sack19:15
ghostcubeand btw i hvent only tax law studied i know whtas an cic an an innovatio ad offerandum19:16
neversfeldewell, thats no law,too. And invitatio ad offerendum is an old case for textbooks with less meaning today19:17
ghostcubei know :|19:18
ghostcubebut the german politicians must accept tht the way they try it at the moment ont be rsulting in any goo point of view19:18
neversfeldenot a good topic for a dev channel19:19
macoseele, most of these  patches are being ignored upstream :-/19:22
davmor2Riddell: why is there a problem?19:27
seelemaco: send me a list which havent been responded to and i will ping the maintainers/19:32
macoor email?19:32
macoi still need to send to kde-games....and i dont think we found a string ossi would agree to19:33
seelegood thing ossi isnt the only one with commit rights19:33
macook email sent19:36
macoseele, ok, patches sent to Martin Heni for lskat and kfourinline and Paolo Capriotti for kollision19:49
macoseele, i also dont know whats going on here http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/1018/19:50
apacheloggerneversfelde: I am more interested in the overall sanity of that agreement20:39
apacheloggersome points appear rather weird to me20:39
apacheloggerNightrose: hbd, btw20:39
Nightrosethx :)20:40
apachelogger~order birthday package for Nightrose20:40
* kubotu is running to the corner shop to get a birthday present.20:40
* kubotu slides a birthday cake and a present down the bar to Nightrose and gives everyone a nice frosty mug of beer.20:40
kubotuHappy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday Nightrose, happy birthday to you!!!! - Wooooho!20:40
kubotuHappy Birthday Nightrose :D20:40
kubotuTo your health!20:40
apacheloggertoo high calorific value I suppose20:41
apacheloggeris that even a word? calorific?20:41
apachelogger=> bed20:42
neversfeldeapachelogger: I will need some time, but I do not think that it is formulated by an expert in international private law. Especially this "Prorogation aka Gerichtsstandsvereinbarung" is really weird. Also I do not know why it is necessar among a license like GPL. I am interested in that and will probably aks a colleague  who knows about ipr20:43
neversfeldethe correct maintainer for an application in main is Ubuntu Core Developers ?21:18
JontheEchidnaugh, plasma-widget-network-manager still isn't removed from the archive21:25
JontheEchidnaRiddell: could you take care of that when you have a moment?^21:25
JontheEchidnaand -management needs moved to main/seeded21:26
Monika|KHappy birthday, Lydia :)21:29
Nightrosethanks Monika|K  :)21:29
JontheEchidnablah, the transitional package is named wrongly too21:32
JontheEchidnamain freeze is tomorrow, yes?21:34
ghostcubeeven if an rc2 is out ?21:36
* JontheEchidna is talking kubuntu alpha freeze for alpha 321:36
JontheEchidnaRiddell: nevermind. The network-management needs a bit of work and could stand a merge. I'll get this done soon tho21:37
JontheEchidnawargh, now they're using a super-advanced version of debhelper :(21:41
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JontheEchidnaok, no use merging then. Just gotta fix that bug21:42
JontheEchidnaRiddell: ok, debdiff fixing the bug: http://paste.ubuntu.com/223020/ After that it should be good to shove in main and ok to modify the seeds21:48
RiddellScottK: dirmngr needs a MIR for kleopatra22:02
RiddellI'll remove kleopatra from the seeds for this week's alpha22:02
RiddellJontheEchidna: ack, will get to it when I have a working computer22:02
Riddellneversfelde: yes ubuntu-core-devel but we also set kubuntu-devel for packages obviously within only our sphere22:08
neversfeldeRiddell: I have some changes for choqok, is pushing it to bzr the right way to get it in the archive?22:10
davmor2Riddell: was there a reason for the ping earlier?22:10
Riddellneversfelde: if it's maintained in bzr then yes22:15
neversfeldeRiddell: I pushed the changes, don't know if it is worth an upload22:34
ScottKRiddell: OK.  I'll do it.23:28
ScottKseele: You want quassel.23:29
macowhat's she want quassel for?23:29
macoby the way, anyone got a good word to replace "buffer'?23:29
ScottKThat should also pull in the quassel-data update too.23:29
ScottKmaco: Dunno.  She asked which.  Didn't say why.23:30
macoso anyway.. "buffer"? we talked about this at UDS as something annoyingly "geek"23:30
ScottKAgreed, but no great ideas for an alternative.23:30
Riddell"channel"?  "conversation"?  "chat windows"?23:31
JontheEchidnaor just none at all like konversation?23:31
macowell the area that lists the channels/PMs has a title, and then there's a list view with colums inside there. the main column is "Buffer". "Topic" and "nick count" are also available.23:34
macomaybe that should just say "Name"?23:34
* JontheEchidna_ wonders why quassel's icon is pulsating23:34
macoJontheEchidna, you bein' pinged23:35
JontheEchidna_I went through all the buffers and it's still pulsing23:35
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jonny|quasselnickserv spammin' me23:36
macothough on this topic, if you make a pane that only shows PM buffers,not channel buffers, maybe "nick count" and "topic" should stop being available as extra columns?23:36
* JontheEchidna would advocate quassel for 9.10 as default23:41
JontheEchidnaIt has better KDE integration, is more usable, has documentation and DCC23:41
JontheEchidnanot that quassel isn't good at what it does23:42
shtylmanJontheEchidna: it pulsates for me as well...from time to time23:43
shtylmannever did figure out why...23:43
macokonversation you mean?23:43
JontheEchidnaya, konversatoin I meant23:43
JontheEchidnaIt's just that I believe konversation fits the "easy to use irc client that integrates well with KDE" usecase (well, perhaps usecase isn't the right word) better than quassel23:45
JontheEchidnamaybe I should set up a wiki for this?23:47
maco3 columns, "requirement" "konversation" "quassel"23:48
neversfeldeI think it is a bad idea to change a default app 2 times a year23:48
JontheEchidnapeople are used to konversation already23:48
macoand then fill in green with "yes" where requirement is met in $app and red with "no" if it's not?23:48
neversfeldeLocos changed their tutorials and something like that to quassel, would be hard work to update it again. Further is this confusing for new jaunty users and there are a lot of them23:50
macoseele, committed in kollision23:52
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macoyour test failed23:58
macoecho $?23:59
maco> 123:59
JontheEchidnatesting for ignore support in quassel23:59
JontheEchidnawhich it lacks apparently23:59
JontheEchidna/ignore jte|test didn't work23:59
neversfeldeI thought that this feature is on freenodes side, but I never used it23:59

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