[00:22] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: I think we can change this to transition package to whatever-we-use-now
[01:50] <maco> seele, er, yeah i meant kickorr
[01:50] <maco> *kickoff
[01:51] <maco> seele, at least if you use focus follows mouse, it closes when the mouse moves off. it seems silly to me that it should close when focus is lost, because this means if you're imprecise with your mouse, you lose however many menus you've navigated through...and with the 3 level menus...oy
[01:51] <seele> yeah.. well the 3 level menus i hope we ill get rid of
[01:52] <seele> i dont see a benefit of adding another layer to save on scrolling when the navigation sucks
[01:55] <maco> oh yeah, patch accepted for kate
[01:55] <maco> i think... lemme re-read message
[01:56] <maco> hmm i dont know if dhaumman meant they accepted the patch *email* to the mailing list or accepted the patch itself
[02:34] <shtylman> Riddell: I emailed you as well, lp:~shtylman/ubiquity/kde_themeing/
[02:45] <rgreening> shtylman: how goes the ubiquity?
[02:45] <rgreening> we up to snuff with ubuntu version shtylman
[02:45] <rgreening> :)
[02:45] <shtylman> rgreening: lp:~shtylman/ubiquity/kde_themeing
[02:46] <shtylman> rgreening: havn't run the latest ubuntu version (and don't know about the slideshot stuff yet) ... but looks wise..I think we are getting there
[02:46] <shtylman> rgreening: http://shtylman.com/stuff/kubuntu_installer/version4/
[02:46] <shtylman> those are the actual installer screens now
[02:47] <shtylman> I finishes the bulk of the migration today
[02:47] <shtylman> need to make a timezone screenshot...it looks pretty good too
[02:47] <rgreening> it does look slick :)
[02:47] <rgreening> yay
[02:47] <rgreening> we need the slide show too
[02:48] <shtylman> yea...I need to see what the interface is for that and whatnot
[02:48] <rgreening> I think it was just html with images
[02:48] <rgreening> last I heard.. so we should be able to use. just update some screen shots for KDE
[02:49] <rgreening> and any text in slideshow
[02:49] <rgreening> this release is looking to be a lot prettier than others :P
[02:51] <shtylman> indeed :)
[02:51] <shtylman> alright...I will look into it throughout this week
[02:51] <shtylman> and I still need to tackle the OEM side...
[02:51] <rgreening> shtylman: did open office ever get those patches in for KDE?
[02:51] <shtylman> but that needs to happen after ubiquity
[02:51] <shtylman> rgreening: yea...the work I did was put into the go-oo repo ages ago
[02:52] <rgreening> and karmic has this shtylman
[02:52] <shtylman> I am actually working with (or should be helping more) a guy from sun bring the patches into the main OO
[02:52] <shtylman> rgreening: don't know about that...
[02:52] <rgreening> I don't think it was updated. My OOO looks ugly as sin
[02:52] <shtylman> rgreening: mine as well
[02:53] <shtylman> rgreening: I don't know if they have brought over the packages in a while
[02:53] <shtylman> rgreening: all the packagers/builders need to do is build with --enable-kde4 ... I think they know this
[02:53] <rgreening> need to bug the oo maintainer to update...
[02:53] <shtylman> rgreening: so it should happen...
[02:53] <shtylman> soon
[02:53] <rgreening> shtylman: maybe a friendly reminder to one of the maintainers to ensure this happens
[02:53] <rgreening> :)
[02:58] <shtylman> possibly :)
[03:05] <shtylman> rgreening: but yea... I think the current installer look is good..needs a few tweaks and whatnot... and I still have to tackle the cool keyboard thing I want to try. But mostly there...I tried to keep it workable for small screens, cause i know that is important to us
[03:06] <rgreening> :P
[03:07] <shtylman> with work eating up my time during the week...it has become harder to do the cool stuff :)
[03:08] <rgreening> I know the feeling. Im on a big server project and it requires a tacacs server.. so Im packaging it for karmic (since we dont have it). :)
[03:09] <shtylman> nice
[03:09] <rgreening> no time for kde stuff
[03:09] <shtylman> yea...the downside of real work :(
[03:09] <rgreening> yeah. its fun. leaning dbconfig-common for the auto db configuration.
[03:09] <rgreening> scary stuff hahha
[03:09] <shtylman> I bet
[03:10] <rgreening> but at least my packaging from scratch skills are being improved
[03:10] <shtylman> thats good
[03:10] <shtylman> always usefull to know
[03:10] <rgreening> yep
[05:49] <ScottK> Pushed a git snapshot of quassel to Ubuntu.
[05:50] <ScottK> In my PPA for Jaunty
[09:49] <\sh> Nightrose: happy birthday my dear :)
[09:52] <Nightrose> thanks \sh :) *hug*
[11:10] <ryanakca> shtylman: Yes, I have them in my stack of papers here somewheres. They aren't implemented yet, I got stuck on how the top of it should me. Should I get them into an SVG and give some advice on them so they can start getting implemented?
[12:05] <shtylman> ryanakca: yea...once you start the mockup process you will change things here and there and others can give input...the hardest part is just starting something...after that you can just "flow" with it :)
[13:01] <ryanakca> ScottK: finished your HardwareTesting page
[13:11] <ScottK> ryanakca: Thanks.
[13:33] <Riddell> hmm, today's live CD not working
[13:43] <ryanakca> Riddell: Would you like to commit my first patch to the KDE svn?
[13:45] <Riddell> ryanakca: ooh, what is it?
[13:46] <ryanakca> Riddell: against plasmapkg, http://w310-187.caslab.queensu.ca/~ryan/ryan-conflict-plasmapkg.diff
[13:47] <ryanakca> in the path trunk/KDE/kdebase/runtime/plasma/tools/plasmapkg/
[13:48] <Riddell> ryanakca: got a bug number, or something to put in the commit message?
[13:51] <ryanakca> Riddell: no, but I can file a bug... otherwise, for the commit message, "Check for conflicting options global and packageroot in plasmapkg" or something of the sort.
[13:59] <Riddell> kde rev 999744
[14:00] <Riddell> ryanakca: voila!
[14:01] <ryanakca> Riddell: haha, I just reported the bug, kde bug 200869
[14:02] <Riddell> guess you can close it now :)
[14:04] <ryanakca> Riddell: great, thanks :D
[14:04]  * Riddell closes
[14:04] <ryanakca> Already done
[15:34] <nixternal> good morning Kubuntu!!!
[15:35] <Mamarok> hi nixternal :)
[15:56] <Tonio_> ola
[16:06] <nixternal> howdy Mamarok and Tonio_
[16:07] <ScottK> Tonio_: Howdy.
[16:12] <Tonio_> ScottK: hey :) I'm finally back...
[16:13] <Tonio_> damn that was exhausting...
[16:13] <ScottK> Tonio_: So are you employed?
[16:13] <Tonio_> ScottK: I just looked at what was done for kubuntu-netbook-ds
[16:13] <Tonio_> ScottK: hum, undecided yet, there are 2 possibilities
[16:13] <ScottK> Tonio_: possibilities are good.
[16:14] <Tonio_> ScottK: what was uploaded was exactly what I wanted to do with kds, so that's fine
[16:14] <ScottK> Tonio_: Great.
[16:14] <Tonio_> ScottK: since I was away I may have missed the point.... any news about plasma-mid ?
[16:14] <ScottK> I think we have a good basis for Alpha 3 this week and getting some testing.
[16:15] <ScottK> Tonio_: We almost have it in a PPA.
[16:15] <Tonio_> great, really :)
[16:15]  * Tonio_ can't wait to test it
[16:15] <Tonio_> ScottK: to we have a netbook-edition project page ?
[16:15] <ScottK> Tonio_: I think it's kubuntu-netbook team PPA.
[16:15] <Riddell> Tonio_: there was a talk about plasma-netbook at GCDS, they say it'll likely be ready for Karmic
[16:18] <nixternal> Riddell: we (everyone in #kubuntu-netbook) has been working with morpheuz on hopefully having a decent working release for Karmic, but we think it will be more complete for karmic+1 unless something changed
[16:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: great
[16:18] <Riddell> nixternal: yeah that sounds right
[16:18] <nixternal> I am enjoying playing with their code in svn :)
[16:19] <ScottK> nixternal and Riddell: The trick is we'll need to patch kdelibs/kdebase*/kdeplasma-addons to get it to work in 4.3.
[16:19] <nixternal> right, forgot to mention that part
[16:19] <ScottK> We can have those patches in by feature freeze.
[16:19] <ScottK> So we have plenty of time to make sure we catch any regressions.
[16:26] <nixternal> oh wow, more KDE is a 2nd class citizen posts....holy shite I think I am going to puke already
[16:26] <nixternal> ok, I don't remember because I didn't pay much attention to gnome in years back, but when gnome wasn't installed by default by a majority of distros, were people calling it a 2nd class citizen?
[16:30]  * ScottK is actually kind of glad we're a second class citizen.
[16:30]  * ScottK thinks we got a much better deal about Ayatana for one thing as a result.
[16:34] <nixternal> ScottK: hehe, true
[16:35]  * ryanakca hopes Kobby will get through Debian NEW by feature freeze
[16:37] <DaskreeCH> Debian's feature freeze?
[16:37] <DaskreeCH> Can someone look at the install packages page for Kubuntu
[16:38] <DaskreeCH> it's pretty badly outdated
[16:38] <DaskreeCH> KDE3
[16:38] <ryanakca> DaskreeCH: Ours
[16:38] <DaskreeCH> ryanakca: why the tie to ours?
[16:38]  * DaskreeCH is ignorant
[16:38] <ryanakca> DaskreeCH: simply because it's in Debian and I'd like to get it synced :)
[16:38] <DaskreeCH> ok :)
[16:40] <ScottK> ryanakca: Put Kobby on REVU and get someone to upload it to Ubuntu.  After it's out of New, we can sync.
[16:40] <DaskreeCH> nixternal: Maybe people thought it was natural that Gnome should be a second class citizen and so didn't complain?
[16:40] <ryanakca> ScottK: already done :)
[16:40] <DaskreeCH> !packages
[16:40] <DaskreeCH> Hmm
[16:40] <DaskreeCH> !install
[16:41] <ScottK> ryanakca: In that case feature freeze won't be an issue.
[16:41] <DaskreeCH> Dapper release notes?
[16:41] <ryanakca> ScottK: Ah, ok
[16:41]  * DaskreeCH sighs
[16:41] <ScottK> ryanakca: Going from -0ubuntu1 to -1 isn't a feature issue.
[16:54] <DaskreeCH> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware
[16:58] <ScottK> We have a lot more documentation writers than maintainers.
[16:58] <ScottK> It's a problem.
[17:13] <Riddell> meh, logging into KDE doesn't work
[17:25] <ScottK> Tonio_: It looks like policykit and jockey-kde are not playing nicely with each other in Karmic.  Any chance you could look into this?
[17:29] <Tonio_> ScottK: hum yup
[17:30] <Tonio_> toonight probably
[17:30]  * Tonio_ notes
[17:30] <ScottK> Tonio_: Thanks.
[17:30] <ScottK> Lots of netbooks with broadcom wireless, so it's important it work for netbook.
[17:33] <Tonio_> ScottK: is network manager plasmoid working for you ?
[17:33] <Tonio_> doesn't seem to connect wireless on my side
[17:34] <ScottK> Tonio_: Works only for unencrypted right now in Karmic.
[17:34]  * ScottK has been getting reacquainted with ifup/ifdown.
[17:35] <Tonio_> ScottK: yup, I have a snapshot package here... testing
[17:35] <ScottK> Tonio_: Snapshot is reportedly not a great idea currently due to lots of rewriting going on.
[17:35] <ScottK> Didn't try it though.
[17:39] <CIA-74> Kubuntu: apachelogger * r9 kcm-gtk/ (CMakeLists.txt Changelog kcmgtk.desktop):
[17:39] <CIA-74> Kubuntu: * Don't install desktop file to xdg applications but KDE 4's service directory
[17:39] <CIA-74> Kubuntu: * Cleanup desktop file
[17:39] <Tonio_> ScottK: kk
[17:52] <Riddell> davmor2: ping, did you test Kubuntu Cds the other day?
[17:53] <ScottK> Riddell: I've booted the netbook one from yesterday.
[18:06] <apachelogger> ScottK: splitting out akonadiconsole completely is quite intrusive to the current packaging (which uses loads of wildcards), so I'll just move the bin to a seperate package and patch the desktop file to tryexec akonadiconsole
[18:06] <apachelogger> then it should only appear in the menu if the seperate package (i.e. the bin) is installed
[18:07] <ScottK> apachelogger: Sounds reasonable.
[18:07] <apachelogger> not the cleanest solution but better than revising the wildcards to even more wildcards
[18:07] <ScottK> apachelogger: It might be good to discuss which approach to take with Debian so we don't end up with permanent diff.
[18:08] <apachelogger> ScottK: yeah, I really think you should do that :P
[18:09] <apachelogger> we really only have: 1) live with the development category 2) hide the desktop file completely (least changes) 3) split the binary and make the desktop file tryexec 4) split all the akonadiconsole stuff
[18:10] <ScottK> apachelogger: /me is about to vanish into a puff of offline smoke for many hours ($WORK)
[18:10] <apachelogger> me too :P
[18:11] <neversfelde> is there something wrong with the SRU for bug 221531 ?
[18:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: do we need qt4-qtconfig in the default install?
[18:11] <Riddell> don't think so
[18:11] <apachelogger> ok
[18:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: can we blacklist it somehow, or should I move it from recommends to suggests?
[18:12] <Riddell> move it to suggests
[18:12] <apachelogger> kthx
[18:12] <apachelogger> neversfelde: poke some motu-sru people
[18:12] <Riddell> although I seem to remember something like gnome people like it because they can change themes without all of KDE installed
[18:12] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I tried, but no reaction so far
[18:13] <Riddell> but that doesn't sound like something I care much about
[18:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: also: due to GTK+theming in Qt this should not be too useful anymore
[18:14] <apachelogger> if people wanna change it to another Qt native theme then they can install it manually :P
[18:14] <apachelogger> neversfelde: mail some list and create fuzz :P
[18:14] <apachelogger> possibly rant about how slow the SRUing is
[18:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: somehow I doubt https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/qt/ubuntu is used?
[18:16] <apachelogger> Oo
[18:16] <apachelogger> the qt tarball should be lzma compressed
[18:16] <apachelogger> what a big load of data that is
[18:16] <neversfelde> uh, I guess it is not a good idea from upstream to split the software in 3 parts and pack it in one tarball :)
[18:17] <apachelogger> they do?
[18:17] <apachelogger> Oo
[18:18] <ryanakca> Is there any way to work around something like http://w310-187.caslab.queensu.ca/~ryan/plasma-widget-facebook.log ?
[18:19] <apachelogger> sure
[18:19] <apachelogger> fix plasmapkg
[18:20] <neversfelde> mhh, they split it in applet, engine and icon part and that is a plasma widget :)
[18:20] <apachelogger> sounds sensible to a certain degree
[18:21]  * apachelogger is wondering what he contributed to ubiquity that canonical starts moaning about how he should sign a contributor agreement
[18:28] <seele> ScottK: which quassel package do i want? quassel_ or quassel-client?
[18:28] <ryanakca> apachelogger: And what would they do to you if you didn't?
[18:28] <apachelogger> dunno
[18:28] <apachelogger> remove my contribution?
[18:29] <apachelogger> For this, you are granted a very broad license in return.
[18:29] <apachelogger> You will retain full rights to re-use, distribute, and continue
[18:29] <apachelogger> modifying the contributed code.
[18:30] <apachelogger> clearly I should be sending cookies to canonical for actually using a free software license in a free software project, huh?
[18:30] <apachelogger> woah, that document is horribly long
[18:31] <ryanakca> apachelogger: ... but isn't ubiquity GPL 2+? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/annotate/head%3A/ubiquity/casper.py
[18:32] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[18:33] <Riddell> shtylman: I compiled the ubiquity you gave me and installed the packages on a live session but it has an error when running debconf.DebconfError: (10, "ubiquity/steps doesn't exist")
[18:33] <apachelogger> bah, this makes me shiver ... first it sez that  Igrant canonical about every right one can have and then it sez canonical grants all the rights back to me
[18:33]  * ryanakca wonders at how people haven't forked Ubiquity if they have to sign such an agreement.
[18:35] <apachelogger> "i will execute any documents and perform any acts that canonical request from time to time to enable canonical to protect, perfect, enforce and enjoy the rights assigned and/or granted to it under this agreement at canonical's expense"
[18:36] <apachelogger> sounds like I ought to get money for the time I have to invest in this
[18:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: where did all this come from?
[18:37] <ryanakca> http://www.canonical.com/contributors
[18:37] <apachelogger> evan dandrea
[18:38]  * apachelogger notes that this agreement raises quite some questions
[18:38] <apachelogger> 8. If I am or become aware of any patent or other intellectual property right which is, or is likely to be, infringed by
[18:38] <apachelogger> the use of the Assigned Contributions, I will promptly notify Canonical.
[18:38] <maco> are they askng that you assign copyright to Canonical and then Canonical licenses it GPLv2+?
[18:38] <apachelogger> so, like should I get employed at MS and find out that one of canonical's app is infringing a MS patent, do I have to tell canonical
[18:39] <ryanakca> but if you make changes and distribute them, aren't they automagically GPLv2+ ?
[18:39] <apachelogger> even more interesting ... what if my employment contract doesn't permit me to do that
[18:39]  * ryanakca wouldn't sign it
[18:40] <apachelogger> I grant to Canonical a world-wide, non-exclusive, royalty-free and
[18:40] <apachelogger> perpetual licence to use, copy, modify, communicate and make available to the public (including without limitation
[18:40] <apachelogger> via the Internet) and distribute, in each case in an original or modified form the "Assigned Contributions"
[18:40] <apachelogger> that is what I grant
[18:40] <apachelogger> 12. This assignment is governed by English law and the parties submit to the exclusive jurisdiction of the courts
[18:40] <apachelogger> of England and Wales over any claim or matter arising under or in connection with this assignment.
[18:41] <ryanakca> ``The term "Software" refers to all computer programs created as part of a Canonical programme listed at http://canonical.com/contributors as amended from time to time" ... does that mean they could add whatever project you contributed to to that list and take ownership of your copyrights?
[18:41] <apachelogger> hum, so I get all the trouble and if there shoudl be problems the courts of england and wales have jurisdiction
[18:42] <apachelogger> ryanakca: most likely
[18:44] <apachelogger> right, good we got neversfelde
[18:45] <apachelogger> neversfelde: please read http://www.canonical.com/system/files/Canonical%20Contributor%20Agreement%2C%20ver%202.5.pdf and tell us what you think about it
[18:50] <Riddell> kde rev 1000000
[18:50] <apachelogger> pretty lame commit :P
[18:51] <apachelogger> should have been something like "switch kdelibs to gtk" :P
[18:54] <JontheEchidna> heh
[18:54] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: moved kcm-gtk repo to kubuntu-members ownership
[18:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: still you'll merge the change and stuff :P
[18:55] <apachelogger> too much work already done today
[18:56] <JontheEchidna> kk
[18:58] <ghostcube_> hi
[18:59] <ghostcube_> hmm is thee anything known if there will be an indepenent dashboard
[18:59] <ghostcube_> oO
[18:59] <JontheEchidna> there's a setting for it in 4.3
[19:00] <ghostcube_> :) aha in rc2 too i still havent found it
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> zoom out
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> then hit configure plasma
[19:01] <ghostcube_> _O_
[19:01] <ghostcube_> youre my pesonal hero for today
[19:01] <ghostcube_> )
[19:01] <ghostcube_> hehe
[19:02] <JontheEchidna> heh
[19:06] <neversfelde> apachelogger: what is this agreement for?
[19:07] <apachelogger> neversfelde: contributions to canonical projects
[19:07] <apachelogger> such as ubiquity and jockey
[19:07] <davmor2> Riddell: yes started up and the n the upgrade killed it
[19:07] <davmor2> worked before the the upgrade though
[19:07] <ghostcube_> JontheEchidna: coolthats what i wanted heh
[19:07] <ghostcube_> works fine
[19:08] <davmor2> Riddell: I'm planning on doing some more testing after
[19:10] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I can have a look at it, but I am a german jurist, so I am not familiar with austrian law. Should be pretty the same, but I there might be differences.
[19:14] <neversfelde> Nightrose: Happy birthday
[19:15] <Nightrose> neversfelde: thx :)
[19:15] <ghostcube> german law sux at the moment
[19:15] <ghostcube> :P
[19:15] <neversfelde> ?
[19:15] <neversfelde> tax law is no law :)
[19:15] <ghostcube> -_- killerspiel verbot paintball verbot alle am sack
[19:15] <ghostcube> :P
[19:16] <ghostcube> and btw i hvent only tax law studied i know whtas an cic an an innovatio ad offerandum
[19:16] <ghostcube> rofl
[19:17] <neversfelde> well, thats no law,too. And invitatio ad offerendum is an old case for textbooks with less meaning today
[19:18] <ghostcube> i know :|
[19:18] <ghostcube> but the german politicians must accept tht the way they try it at the moment ont be rsulting in any goo point of view
[19:18] <ghostcube> :|
[19:19] <neversfelde> not a good topic for a dev channel
[19:22] <maco> seele, most of these  patches are being ignored upstream :-/
[19:27] <davmor2> Riddell: why is there a problem?
[19:32] <seele> maco: send me a list which havent been responded to and i will ping the maintainers/
[19:32] <maco> pm?
[19:32] <seele> email
[19:32] <maco> or email?
[19:32] <maco> ok
[19:33] <maco> i still need to send to kde-games....and i dont think we found a string ossi would agree to
[19:33] <seele> good thing ossi isnt the only one with commit rights
[19:35] <maco> heh
[19:36] <maco> ok email sent
[19:49] <maco> seele, ok, patches sent to Martin Heni for lskat and kfourinline and Paolo Capriotti for kollision
[19:50] <maco> seele, i also dont know whats going on here http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/1018/
[20:39] <apachelogger> neversfelde: I am more interested in the overall sanity of that agreement
[20:39] <apachelogger> some points appear rather weird to me
[20:39] <apachelogger> Nightrose: hbd, btw
[20:40] <Nightrose> thx :)
[20:40] <apachelogger> ~order birthday package for Nightrose
[20:40]  * kubotu is running to the corner shop to get a birthday present.
[20:40]  * kubotu slides a birthday cake and a present down the bar to Nightrose and gives everyone a nice frosty mug of beer.
[20:40] <kubotu> Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday Nightrose, happy birthday to you!!!! - Wooooho!
[20:40] <kubotu> Happy Birthday Nightrose :D
[20:40] <kubotu> To your health!
[20:40] <Nightrose> \o/
[20:40] <apachelogger> hm
[20:40] <apachelogger> beer
[20:40] <apachelogger> ...
[20:41] <apachelogger> too high calorific value I suppose
[20:41] <apachelogger> is that even a word? calorific?
[20:42] <apachelogger> anyway
[20:42] <apachelogger> => bed
[20:42] <apachelogger> cyas
[20:43] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I will need some time, but I do not think that it is formulated by an expert in international private law. Especially this "Prorogation aka Gerichtsstandsvereinbarung" is really weird. Also I do not know why it is necessar among a license like GPL. I am interested in that and will probably aks a colleague  who knows about ipr
[20:43] <neversfelde> gnarf
[21:18] <neversfelde> the correct maintainer for an application in main is Ubuntu Core Developers ?
[21:25] <JontheEchidna> ugh, plasma-widget-network-manager still isn't removed from the archive
[21:25] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: could you take care of that when you have a moment?^
[21:26] <JontheEchidna> and -management needs moved to main/seeded
[21:29] <Monika|K> Happy birthday, Lydia :)
[21:29] <Nightrose> thanks Monika|K  :)
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> blah, the transitional package is named wrongly too
[21:34] <JontheEchidna> main freeze is tomorrow, yes?
[21:35] <JontheEchidna> s/main/alpha
[21:36] <ghostcube> even if an rc2 is out ?
[21:36]  * JontheEchidna is talking kubuntu alpha freeze for alpha 3
[21:37] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: nevermind. The network-management needs a bit of work and could stand a merge. I'll get this done soon tho
[21:41] <JontheEchidna> wargh, now they're using a super-advanced version of debhelper :(
[21:42] <JontheEchidna> ok, no use merging then. Just gotta fix that bug
[21:48] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: ok, debdiff fixing the bug: http://paste.ubuntu.com/223020/ After that it should be good to shove in main and ok to modify the seeds
[22:02] <Riddell> ScottK: dirmngr needs a MIR for kleopatra
[22:02] <Riddell> I'll remove kleopatra from the seeds for this week's alpha
[22:02] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: ack, will get to it when I have a working computer
[22:08] <Riddell> neversfelde: yes ubuntu-core-devel but we also set kubuntu-devel for packages obviously within only our sphere
[22:10] <neversfelde> Riddell: I have some changes for choqok, is pushing it to bzr the right way to get it in the archive?
[22:10] <davmor2> Riddell: was there a reason for the ping earlier?
[22:15] <Riddell> fooey
[22:15] <Riddell> neversfelde: if it's maintained in bzr then yes
[22:34] <neversfelde> Riddell: I pushed the changes, don't know if it is worth an upload
[22:34] <neversfelde> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/choqok/ubuntu
[23:28] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  I'll do it.
[23:29] <ScottK> seele: You want quassel.
[23:29] <maco> what's she want quassel for?
[23:29] <maco> by the way, anyone got a good word to replace "buffer'?
[23:29] <ScottK> That should also pull in the quassel-data update too.
[23:30] <ScottK> maco: Dunno.  She asked which.  Didn't say why.
[23:30] <maco> ah
[23:30] <maco> so anyway.. "buffer"? we talked about this at UDS as something annoyingly "geek"
[23:30] <ScottK> Agreed, but no great ideas for an alternative.
[23:31] <Riddell> "channel"?  "conversation"?  "chat windows"?
[23:31] <JontheEchidna> or just none at all like konversation?
[23:34] <maco> well the area that lists the channels/PMs has a title, and then there's a list view with colums inside there. the main column is "Buffer". "Topic" and "nick count" are also available.
[23:34] <maco> maybe that should just say "Name"?
[23:34]  * JontheEchidna_ wonders why quassel's icon is pulsating
[23:35] <maco> JontheEchidna, you bein' pinged
[23:35] <JontheEchidna_> I went through all the buffers and it's still pulsing
[23:35] <maco> PMs?
[23:36] <jonny|quassel> nickserv spammin' me
[23:36] <maco> though on this topic, if you make a pane that only shows PM buffers,not channel buffers, maybe "nick count" and "topic" should stop being available as extra columns?
[23:41]  * JontheEchidna would advocate quassel for 9.10 as default
[23:41] <JontheEchidna> It has better KDE integration, is more usable, has documentation and DCC
[23:42] <JontheEchidna> not that quassel isn't good at what it does
[23:43] <shtylman> JontheEchidna: it pulsates for me as well...from time to time
[23:43] <shtylman> never did figure out why...
[23:43] <maco> konversation you mean?
[23:43] <JontheEchidna> ya, konversatoin I meant
[23:45] <JontheEchidna> It's just that I believe konversation fits the "easy to use irc client that integrates well with KDE" usecase (well, perhaps usecase isn't the right word) better than quassel
[23:47] <JontheEchidna> maybe I should set up a wiki for this?
[23:47] <maco> aye
[23:48] <maco> 3 columns, "requirement" "konversation" "quassel"
[23:48] <neversfelde> I think it is a bad idea to change a default app 2 times a year
[23:48] <JontheEchidna> people are used to konversation already
[23:48] <maco> and then fill in green with "yes" where requirement is met in $app and red with "no" if it's not?
[23:50] <neversfelde> Locos changed their tutorials and something like that to quassel, would be hard work to update it again. Further is this confusing for new jaunty users and there are a lot of them
[23:52] <maco> seele, committed in kollision
[23:58] <jte|test> test
[23:58] <maco> your test failed
[23:58] <maco> see?
[23:59] <maco> echo $?
[23:59] <maco> > 1
[23:59] <JontheEchidna> testing for ignore support in quassel
[23:59] <JontheEchidna> which it lacks apparently
[23:59] <maco> huh?
[23:59] <JontheEchidna> /ignore jte|test didn't work
[23:59] <neversfelde> I thought that this feature is on freenodes side, but I never used it