[00:47] <DrHalan1> hey guys im not able remove/update mozilla-plugin-gnash
[01:02] <DanaG> ugh, damnit, I can't play any audio now.
[01:02] <DanaG> PulseAudio just dies.
[01:03] <BluesKaj> which player
[01:03] <DanaG> ANY app.
[01:03] <DanaG> Even speaker-test.
[01:04] <DanaG> Time per period = 0.133368             0 - Front Left
[01:04] <DanaG> speaker-test: pcm_pulse.c:361: pulse_write: Assertion `pcm->stream' failed.        Aborted (core dumped)
[01:04] <DanaG> and it goes sputtersputtersputter
[01:04] <DanaG> spewing bunches of "time per period" -- like the stream dies and comes back.  repeatedly.
[01:04] <BluesKaj> do you have alsa -utils installed or are you using a different audio driver
[01:04] <virtuald> i get that too
[01:05] <DanaG> It's even funnier when you do it with -c 6.
[01:05] <virtuald> ok i'm not getting the same
[01:05] <virtuald> i get device or resource busy
[01:06] <virtuald> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1008:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[01:06] <virtuald> dmix ftw
[01:06] <virtuald> pulseaudio crashed so it falls back to dmix or something?
[01:06] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/pulse.log
[01:07] <DanaG> yeah, it's really big.
[01:07] <BluesKaj> make sure your soundcard is recognized  lspci | grep -i audio
[01:08] <DanaG> It works fine before suspend.
[01:08] <DanaG> Only breaks on resume/
[01:08] <DanaG> .
[01:09] <DanaG> updated it with doing only 2-channel speaker-test.
[01:13] <DanaG> Odd... ENABLING tsched... seems to fix it.
[01:13] <DanaG> no wait, it broke again.
[01:15] <BluesKaj> try ESD instead of pulse
[01:15] <DanaG> No can do... I need the multi-device features of PulseAudio.
[01:16] <DanaG> Interesting... it seems to be working relatively well with tsched=1.
[01:16] <BluesKaj> spdif out /
[01:16] <BluesKaj> ?
[01:16] <DanaG> I have two sound cards: internal speakers (for web and IM audio), and offboard sound card (for music and such).
[01:18] <BluesKaj> well, i disabled my onboard sound in the BIOS after installing a pci card , now both pulse and ESD tests work
[01:18] <BluesKaj> anyway one channel is kaput on the onboard
[01:18] <DanaG> I wish I could get one of the nice Asus C-Media cards in a notebook version.
[01:20] <BluesKaj> 30bucks buys a nice card like C-Media CM18738
[01:21] <DanaG> LAPTOP.
[01:21] <DanaG> =þ
[01:21] <BluesKaj> bummer
[01:21] <DanaG> About the only reasonable sound card I could get was the Turtle Beach Audio Advantage SRM.
[01:22]  * BluesKaj wonders which card is in his elcheapo acer lappy
[01:22] <DanaG> That's a USB one.
[01:22] <DanaG> Internal is ADI1988.  Or maybe it was ADI1984.
[01:23] <DanaG> ugh, stupid ALSA... I hit "mute" key on my onboard sound thingy... and it mutes the OTHER sound card.
[01:23] <DanaG> And where the heck did the gnome sound thingy go?
[01:24] <DanaG> (The one that lets you set WHICH card the volume keys control.)
[01:25] <BluesKaj> you need to choose which card is the default
[01:25] <DanaG> I did.
[01:25] <DanaG> It was still controlling the wrong one.
[01:26] <DanaG> Onboard is default.
[01:26] <DanaG> Had to unset it and re-set it with pavucontrol.
[01:27] <DanaG> I see, it's not muting... it's just glitching.
[01:30] <DanaG> I see... having pcspeaker slider unmuted... makes the onboard card magically glitch the OTHER card.
[03:37] <rleeds> For a while now compiz won't let me switch desktops with my scroll wheel (not sure if this happens in jaunty too). But I see the problem: in the settings manager I can't set the shortcut to "Button 4" unqualified. It switches immediately back to Disabled unless I also give it a modifier. Any idea why?
[03:38] <arand> rleeds: I think that was disabled with a papercut, wasnit?
[03:38] <rleeds> papercut?
[03:39] <DanaG> I can understand changing the default... but DISALLOWING it... is bad.
[03:39] <DanaG> Wish they'd fix the damned tasbar scrolling.
[03:39] <DanaG> So I don't go whizzzzzzzzz--- wait, where'd everything go?
[03:39] <arand> rleeds: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/147230
[03:39] <andresmujica> hmm it wasn't disabled
[03:40] <DanaG> I set desktop-based workspace-switch to _horizontal_ scroll.
[03:40] <DanaG> Buttons 6 and 7.
[03:40] <andresmujica> you can reenable the previous behaviour, at the bug you'll find the details..
[03:40] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-panel/+bug/39328
[03:42] <arand> Hmm, last comment on my linked describes your exact problem...
[03:42] <arand> ^> rleeds
[03:42] <rleeds> arand, thanks
[03:43] <arand> no fix though...
[03:44] <rleeds> arand, After reading that, I kind of agree that it's not a very good feature and I may just train myself out of the habit.
[03:45] <arand> rleeds: Well, then again, not being able to re-enable it like you said is a definite bug.
[03:45] <rleeds> arand, truth
[03:45] <DanaG> Try horizontal -- it may surprise you with how natural it seems.
[03:46] <rleeds> DanaG, Nice idea. I may. But that only applies when I'm using my trackpad. I often plug in a mouse when working at my desk.
[03:47] <DanaG> ah.  Oh, and 8 and 9 should be thumb buttons.
[04:22] <Tekno> morning
[04:27] <RichardWolfVI> Hello, I'm having issues with my tablet calibration in GIMP and Inkscape
[04:27] <RichardWolfVI> the trace is totally offset
[04:28] <RichardWolfVI> it didn't happen a couple of weeks ago
[04:28]  * arand watches the fourth gnome shell video and shudders in horror "why, oh my god, why!?"
[04:30] <DanaG> Yeah, and it laaggggggggggggggs horribly.
[04:30] <DanaG> So I end up pressing the damn menu button about 5 times before it finally responds.
[04:30] <DanaG> And this is on a fast computer.
[04:30] <RichardWolfVI> Hmm, whatr are you talking about?
[04:31] <DanaG> When I last tried gnome-shell, it had a horrid 2-second lag from when I clicked on the apps menu button to when it actually did anything.
[04:32] <DanaG> And then I launched compiz again (because the new WM has really ugly animations).... and the panels went away.
[04:32] <DanaG> So, gnome-shell is a no-go, for me.
[04:33] <DanaG> And it forever will be, I predict.
[04:35] <arand> DanaG: What I'm most vexed about is the complete lack of a sorted, categorized list of applications (often referred to as menus) the way g-s does "activities" seems like the windows menu all over again, which I loathe with a mission...
[04:35] <DanaG> I like the WinVista / Win7 "start menu" -- but mostly just because of the search-box.
[04:36] <DanaG> Windows key.  'featu'. [Enter].  Hey, that's the "Programs and Features" thingy.
[04:37] <DanaG> oh, and why the heck does notify-osd show my notify-send bubbles for TEN full seconds?
[04:39] <arand> DanaG: hmm, I tend to wrangle all win menus to glorious 2k-style (imo, windows menu has not improved since) and now it seems gnome is following suit *grinds teeth*
[04:39] <DanaG> I installed an XP in a VM for a while... and absolutely hated not having the newer-style menu.
[04:39] <DanaG> But gnome-shell sucks for other reasons.
[04:40] <DanaG> Window animations is a really honkin' huge one.
[04:40] <DanaG> If I minimize a window... I expect it to fly at least vaguely towards the taskbar.... not just shrink in place.
[04:40] <DanaG> Shrinking in place feels like a "close" operation.
[04:43] <arand> DanaG: btw, which gnumeric version is currently in kk?
[04:43] <x1250> I haven't tested it myself, but for what I've seen so far, and read, I a gree. Gnome-shell is crap.
[04:43] <DanaG> Beats me... I don't use it.
[04:43] <DanaG> !info gnumeric
[04:45] <DanaG> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/karmic-changes/2009-June/002350.html
[04:45] <DanaG> ugh, now I have to pull out a damned calculator.
[04:45] <DanaG> 276 frames in 5.0 seconds
[04:45] <DanaG> great... that's ... uh.............
[04:46] <RichardWolfVI> 55.2
[04:46] <arand> Oh, didn't know we had the !info for kk as well, good stuff. Anyhow, need to make and SRU for Bug #316502
[04:47] <DanaG> yeah, but you see my point. =þ
[04:47] <DanaG> 55.2 means vsync is sort of working-ish.
[04:51] <DanaG> I will never give up compiz.
[04:52] <DanaG> NEVAIRE!
[04:52] <DanaG> ... because I happen to like my "magic lamp" minimize and "sidekick" close and "vacuum" menu effects.
[04:54]  * DanaG yells NEVAIRE again, and then starts coughing because he irritates his throat.  
[04:54] <DanaG> =þ
[04:58] <billybigrigger> hmm a3 in a few days...
[04:59] <billybigrigger> where have the days gone :)
[04:59] <DanaG> that reminds me... I should check the Fridge.
[04:59] <billybigrigger> for...?
[05:01] <billybigrigger> sandwich? :) haha
[05:01] <DanaG> http://fridge.ubuntu.com
[05:02] <DanaG> oh yeah, I found a "solution" to the dilemma of wanting audio chat while still using pidgin for logs:
[05:02] <DanaG> Just sign into both.
[05:03]  * arand is off for a bit of sleep...
[05:05] <billybigrigger> night
[05:08] <RichardWolfVI> hmm, is it normal that xorg.conf no longer exists
[05:08] <RichardWolfVI> I have xorg.conf~ and backups
[05:09] <Sarvatt> yep
[05:12] <x1250> RichardWolfVI, if it is not there, I think Xorg will use its default values. Anyway, you can try $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[05:12] <Sarvatt> its better to not have an xorg.conf than to have the old default one
[05:12] <Sarvatt> it uses an entirely different detection mechanism when theres no xorg.conf that works better
[05:20] <RichardWolfVI> My tablet input is offset in GIMP and Inkscape
[05:20] <RichardWolfVI> I've worked with both applications without issues a couple of weeks ago
[05:22] <Sarvatt> thats not the xorg.conf's fault, it only got deleted because you had a default one before
[05:23] <RichardWolfVI> hmm, so what would it be? The tablet input works normally otherwise.
[05:24] <r3l1c> <---installed on a Toshiba Satellite L355 - basic system seems fine - updating to alpha 2
[09:20] <CosmiChaos> hm i thought i will get unbanned first when karmic is final :lol
[09:21] <CosmiChaos> nice now i can test the next alpha
[11:16] <rysh> If i am try to do a dist-upgrade karmic want to remove the following packages "klogd libsgutils2 startup-tasks sysklogd system-services upstart-compat-sysv upstart-logd" that does not sounds OK is it?
[11:17] <m3ga> rysh: don't use dist-upgrade use 'do-release-upgrade -d'  which is in update-manager-core. do-release-upgrade is  better at resolving conflicts
[11:18] <rysh> m3ga: This also works with apt-get ?
[11:18] <rysh> seems not :-)
[11:19] <rysh> aha ... it is a stand alone command
[11:19] <rysh> Thanks
[13:51] <ripps> my gpg-agent stopped working, now I have to enter my key passphrase a dozen times when uploading using fta's ppabot script
[14:21] <oldman_> Q. grub2 question...is there some secret to including spaces in a kernel cmdline param?
[14:21] <oldman_> e.g., acpi_osi="Windows 2006"
[14:22] <oldman_> surrounding with single or double quotes, doesn't work
[14:22] <oldman_> escaping spaces also doesn't work
[14:22] <nperry> humm wheres the new gdm.conf :/
[14:22] <oldman_> in conjunction with 395239:
[14:22] <oldman_> This report is public
[14:23] <oldman_> its a pain :)
[14:25] <nperry> i hate having to login everytime i power my netbook on :/
[14:44] <Laibsch> Hey
[14:45] <Laibsch> Can anyone help me understand the following screen corruption when running xxdiff on a hardy host, forwarded over ssh to a Karmic laptop? http://picpaste.com/xxdiff-corrupted.png
[14:45] <Laibsch> Is this likely a bug in libqt3-mt?
[15:04] <r3l1c> I did a fresh install last night and watched a movie before I went to sleep. I notices slow access from USB drive and studering graphics with the intel graphics card. Should I post a bug for this. Sorry I'm new to testing.
[15:09] <Laibsch> If you're new to testing you shouldn't be running Karmic at this point in time
[15:09] <r3l1c> why?
[15:09] <Laibsch> Because it's not released
[15:10] <Laibsch> It's alpha
[15:10] <r3l1c> thats the idea right?
[15:10] <r3l1c> its alpha 2
[15:10] <r3l1c> :)
[15:10] <Laibsch> which is alpha
[15:10] <r3l1c> should I file a bug?
[15:10] <Laibsch> no
[15:10] <r3l1c> report
[15:10] <Laibsch> I don't think you should
[15:10] <r3l1c> thanks
[15:11] <Laibsch> run Jaunty and be happy
[15:11] <Laibsch> report bugs in Jaunty
[15:11] <r3l1c> Jaunty cause my cpu to run at 100% and shut my computer off after 10mins. And I did file a bug.
[15:12] <r3l1c> why is this so exclusive that I can help with it?
[15:12] <Laibsch> did you check LP for the problem
[15:12] <r3l1c> whats LP?
[15:12] <r3l1c> Launch Pad...
[15:12] <eagles051387> ya
[15:13] <Laibsch> because you reporting random bugs when you have no experience is likely to cause you a lot of frustrations and the reports from you will likely require a lot of time from somebody else to triage them
[15:13] <Laibsch> that is a waste of time and effort all over
[15:13] <r3l1c> Thats why I'm asking.
[15:13] <Laibsch> good!
[15:13] <r3l1c> so I don't do that
[15:13] <Laibsch> I applaud you for it
[15:13] <Laibsch> What graphics chip do you have?
[15:13] <Laibsch> ATI?
[15:13] <Laibsch> what is running at 100%?  what process?
[15:13] <r3l1c> Intel gimme a sec to pull up the model
[15:14] <Laibsch> no
[15:14] <Laibsch> Please wait for somebody to triage your bug
[15:14] <Laibsch> You may ask for help with that in #ubuntu-bugs
[15:14] <Laibsch> I was asking because I know about a bug that causes 100% cpu for ATI chips
[15:15] <Laibsch> If you're on Intel that is obviously not it
[15:15] <r3l1c> None that I could find .. I use sudo top and system monitor with everything enabled and couldn't find a process running at 100%
[15:17] <Laibsch> ask for help/support in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-bugs
[15:17] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[15:20] <r3l1c> Laibsch:  Thanks
[15:21] <silence144> hello all I was wondering if some one could tell me if grub 2 is fixed on the nightly builds
[15:31] <Bmw1000c> can anyone confirm a bug?
[15:32] <Bmw1000c> when a .mkv is loaded in totem, i can't move the progress bar
[15:35] <yofel> Bmw1000c: confirmed o.O
[15:35] <Bmw1000c> thanks
[15:35] <Bmw1000c> i'm gonna report it
[15:37] <Bmw1000c> Bug #401769
[15:38] <BluesKaj> Bmw1000c, some advice , xine isn't working well on karmic , try vlc
[15:38] <Bmw1000c> yeah it's the second bug i find
[15:38] <Bmw1000c> lol
[16:04] <r3l1c> when switching themes firefox closes
[16:04] <r3l1c> can anyone confirm?
[16:05] <Bmw1000c> well
[16:05] <Bmw1000c> it says "Restart Firefox to complete your changes"
[16:06] <r3l1c> Not here... No restart happens just fails
[16:06] <r3l1c> nevermind then
[16:53] <oldude67> anyon e else having issues with k3b and brasero not finding there dvd/cd burners ? or is it just me and how do i fix this?
[16:57] <oldude67> both the cd-rw and dvdrw show up in sysinfo but yet they are not seen in k3b or brasero
[16:57] <taggie> does somebody happen to have the bug number for the gvfs/samba crashing issue?
[17:31] <Bmw1000c> oldude67
[17:31] <Bmw1000c> i have a few problems with dvd burning also
[17:39] <andresmu1ica> anyone has lost completely X output with latest gdm update?
[17:40] <andresmu1ica> funny thing.. i' ve got no video
[17:40] <andresmu1ica> but i've managed to login(blindly) ... process are running ok
[17:40] <andresmu1ica> and now i' m from a console via irssi...
[17:40] <andresmu1ica> :/
[18:56] <billybigrigger> someone want to help reproduce a bug
[18:56] <blackxored> hello, well I normally use a karmic chroot for pkg building, I'm wondering how I can run X from there, and log into karmic's gdm
[18:56] <billybigrigger> i have 2 apps running
[18:57] <billybigrigger> transmission, and gnome-terminal, with transmission on top of the term, and focus to trans...system>shut-down opens behind transmission, with focus staying on trans
[18:57] <billybigrigger> doesn't seem to be %100 re-producable though
[18:58] <billybigrigger> only sometime
[18:59] <billybigrigger> ahhh
[18:59] <billybigrigger> clicking on the app's window, and not the title bar, i can reproduce this %100
[19:00] <billybigrigger> anyone else?
[19:00] <yofel> billybigrigger: me, but with nautilus
[19:00] <billybigrigger> yeah
[19:01] <billybigrigger> seems to work with any app
[19:01] <yofel> instead of transm.
[19:01] <billybigrigger> as long as you don't click the titlebar, if the last click was inside the app's window, then system>shut-down is opened, giving focus to whatever app you clicked last
[19:01] <billybigrigger> does it still do it if you click on the titlebar, then system>shutdown?
[19:03] <billybigrigger> yofel, ?
[19:03] <yofel> billybigrigger: I can reproduce it if the last action was a simple click anywhere in the window
[19:03] <billybigrigger> yeah, but if your last click was titelbar it's fine right?
[19:04] <billybigrigger> err titlebar
[19:04] <yofel> billybigrigger: no, but watch out to not move the window when you click the titlebar ;)
[19:04] <billybigrigger> why?
[19:05] <yofel> when I move the window and then try to open shutdown it opens on top
[19:05] <yofel> when I just click the titlebar it doesn't
[19:05] <billybigrigger> here, it doesn't matter if it was clicked or moved, it opens on top
[19:05] <billybigrigger> unless the last click was inside the app's window
[19:05] <billybigrigger> really
[19:05] <yofel> compiz issue?
[19:06] <billybigrigger> maybe
[19:06] <billybigrigger> good one :P
[19:06] <billybigrigger> disabling compiz, i can't reproduce
[19:07] <billybigrigger> gnome-do's dock crashed on me when i disabled compiz though
[19:08] <billybigrigger> weird
[19:08] <billybigrigger> it's still running, just i can't see the dock anymore :(
[19:08] <yofel> billybigrigger: how do you enable the dock?
[19:09] <billybigrigger> in your preferences, change the skin to docky
[19:09] <yofel> aaaah
[19:09] <billybigrigger> brb
[19:10] <yofel> I always wondered where to do that, but then I had a bug that prevented me from opening the drop-down list :(
[19:10] <yofel> seems fixed now :)
[19:16] <billybigrigger> yofel, so did you disable compiz and try to reproduce?
[19:22] <yofel> billybigrigger: I'll try in a moment, bit busy right now
[19:23] <billybigrigger> yofel, np
[19:25] <yofel> ok... without compiz the shtudown dialog always opens on top, but sometimes without focus
[19:25] <billybigrigger> hmmm anyone had problems with starting U1?
[19:26] <billybigrigger> but with it enabled, it never opens on top, unless the last action was to move the window?
[19:26] <billybigrigger> so i can file a bug against compiz i guess
[19:27] <yofel> yay, reenabling compiz crashes it *-.-
[19:29] <billybigrigger> crashes what?
[19:29] <yofel> compiz
[19:29] <billybigrigger> ewww haha
[19:30] <yofel> and now I have a process that uses one core an some hd I/O but isn't shown in top? o.O
[19:32] <billybigrigger> which process?
[19:35]  * arand just managed to run "chown -R user:user /dev/" *facepalms*
[19:38] <yofel> ok... killing dbus-deamon == bad idea
[19:38] <yofel> had to reboot :/
[19:50] <billybigrigger> oooh libv4l update
[19:50] <billybigrigger> maybe that will fix my webcam :P
[19:51] <billybigrigger> yofel, Bug #401874
[19:51] <billybigrigger> maybe you can add something to that?
[19:51] <billybigrigger> or sub
[19:51] <billybigrigger> err confirm rather
[19:56] <yofel> billybigrigger: done
[20:07] <billybigrigger> roger
[20:21] <mahfiaz> does f-spot show photos in "Edit mode" for you?
[20:25] <yofel> billybigrigger: you do know that you can edit the bug description? (regarding uname -a)
[20:44] <billybigrigger> yofel, i looked, probably not all that hard :P but i took a quick glance and didn't see an edit option, but now that you say that im sure it was right in front of me :P
[20:45] <yofel> ^^
[20:46] <billybigrigger> haha
[20:46] <billybigrigger> yofel, does this look malicious at all to you?
[20:46] <billybigrigger> http://imagebin.ca/view/rtKm6oM.html
[20:46] <billybigrigger> someone just tried to post a comment on my site...thought i'd take a screenshot first
[20:50] <billybigrigger> oh geez what a mess
[20:50] <billybigrigger> i didn't know replying to the email created another post haha
[20:50] <yofel> o.O
[20:54] <yofel> billybigrigger: of course it ads a new post, check out https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/EmailInterface
[20:54] <billybigrigger> thats the first time i've replied to a launchpad email haha
[20:55] <billybigrigger> now i just look like a moron who doesn't know how to submit a bug haha
[20:56] <yofel> lol, don't worry, I'm using LP for 3 months now and I find something new every week (and that's not because it was added this week) :P
[21:05] <billybigrigger> :( new libv4l didn't fix webcam
[21:07] <BluesKaj> anyone have blocked updates like these ? :   audacious libaudclient2 libaudcore1 libaudid3tag2 libaudutil1 libsox-fmt-all{a} libsox-fmt-alsa libsox-fmt-ao{a} libsox-fmt-base libsox-fmt-ffmpeg{a}    libsox-fmt-mp3{a} libsox-fmt-oss{a} sox
[21:09] <billybigrigger> only thing apt is hold back is ubuntu-minimal
[21:09] <BluesKaj> looks like mostly media/audio libs to do with sox , which i don't think i use unless it's some kind of daemon that i'm unaware of
[21:09] <yofel> only thing aptitude holds back here is bzr
[21:10] <BluesKaj> using aptitude
[21:10] <BluesKaj> hmm
[21:11] <BluesKaj> !medibuntu
[21:14] <yofel>  
[21:15] <blackxored> hello again, there's any resource pointing about how to set up a chrooted karmic environment with X, ssh-agent, gdm, etc...???
[21:16] <yofel> ok... wtf? after the update right now nm-applet tells me that it can't find the necessary resources and can't continue. But if I don't close the error message it works fine...
[21:16] <giles> Whats going on with karmic?
[21:16] <giles> The latest upgrade has completely buggered things up.
[21:17] <yofel> giles: do you get nm-applet errors?
[21:17] <giles> I got, missing icons in gnome, gdm greeter not working, NetworkManager not working...
[21:18] <yofel> good, then I'm not the only one...
[21:18] <yofel> and I'm missing icons as well
[21:19] <giles> .xsession errors says they cannot be loaded
[21:19] <giles> an assertion failure
[21:19] <yofel> giles: yes, here too
[21:20] <giles> Its catastrophic
[21:21] <yofel> billybigrigger: you got missing icons as well?
[21:21] <billybigrigger> nope
[21:21] <billybigrigger> where?
[21:21] <billybigrigger> for nm-applet?
[21:21] <yofel> like for nm-applet, brightness-applet...
[21:22] <yofel> all icons in the shutdown dialog are missing
[21:22] <billybigrigger> nope, but im using nm 0.8
[21:22] <giles> seems that the whole theme can't load.
[21:22] <billybigrigger> and not on a laptop so i dont use brightness applet
[21:23] <giles> all my gnome menu icons are missing.
[21:23] <giles> all the toolbar icons in epiphany
[21:23] <billybigrigger> not here
[21:24] <giles> billybigrigger: and you are running latest karmic update.
[21:24] <billybigrigger> yes
[21:24] <yofel> I still have some icons, but I don't use the default icon theme so I guess only the gnome-only ones are missing
[21:24] <billybigrigger> im using gnome-colors
[21:25] <billybigrigger> switching to human theme i still have all my icons
[21:31] <yofel> hm, looking at the aptitude log nothing was removed, maybe the gtk updates are the issue
[21:34] <BluesKaj> yofel, you guys running gnome then .. kde here , but it has it;s own seperate issues :P
[21:37] <yofel> anyone an idea how I get the changelog out of a .deb file?
[21:53] <maxb> Has anyone noticed gnome-screensaver sometimes hanging when you try to unlock the screen?
[21:55] <BUGabundo> hey everyone
[21:55] <BUGabundo> is everyone missing there icons or is it just my new theme ?
[21:55] <BUGabundo> maxb: no
[21:55] <yofel> BUGabundo: me me me
[21:56] <yofel> welcome btw :)
[21:56] <BUGabundo> oh so it's a bug
[21:57] <yofel> BUGabundo: you got a ton of errors in your .xsession file as well?
[21:58] <yofel> i mean .xsession-errors
[21:58] <BUGabundo> checling
[21:58] <BUGabundo> -rw------- 1 bugabundo bugabundo 24K 2009-07-20 21:55 .xsession-errors
[21:58] <BUGabundo> ahh great
[21:58] <BUGabundo> pitti broke gtk _again_
[21:58] <BUGabundo> darn
[21:58] <yofel> heh
[21:59] <BUGabundo> then I don't need to change my theme
[21:59] <BUGabundo> good
[22:00] <BUGabundo> installed a bunch of themes and wallpapers last night
[22:00] <BUGabundo> there's a PPA with many dozens
[22:01] <BUGabundo> yofel: wanna join me in the battle on #ubuntu-devel ?
[22:01] <yofel> BUGabundo: I'm idling there anywhere so why not :)
[22:03] <yofel> BUGabundo: maybe it's the new gtk version 2.17.5-0ubuntu1 that seb128 uploaded today?
[22:03] <BUGabundo> or that
[22:05] <giles> yofel: oh, i see nm-applet = NetworkManager Applet
[22:08] <BUGabundo> yofel: didn't I tell you it would be a war ? :p
[22:09] <yofel> heh, seems like it ^^
[22:09] <giles> Icon nm-no-connection missing: Unrecognised image file format
[22:11] <yofel> giles: talking about that right now in #ubuntu-devel if you want to tune in
[22:12] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, ppa with a bunch of themes? where? :P
[22:14] <BUGabundo> let me check
[22:15] <BUGabundo> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/bisigi/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main  #temas
[22:17] <yofel> heh, add-apt-repository ppa:bisigi/ppa   is so handy XD
[22:18] <billybigrigger> yup imports key and all for ya :P
[22:18] <billybigrigger> oh, just lost all my firefox-3.6 icons :P
[22:19] <BUGabundo> we know billybigrigger
[22:19] <BUGabundo> x64 right?
[22:19] <BUGabundo> any OP mind putting that on /topic? Pici ?
[22:19] <billybigrigger> no
[22:19] <billybigrigger> ppc
[22:19] <billybigrigger> :P hehe
[22:21] <BUGabundo> ahh?????
[22:21] <billybigrigger> no
[22:21] <billybigrigger> im just kidding BUGabundo
[22:21] <billybigrigger> amd64
[22:22] <billybigrigger> x86_64 to be precise
[22:23] <BUGabundo> ok
[22:23] <BUGabundo> (10:22:07 PM) seb128_: BUGabundo, ok, the amd64 build lacks the png loader for some reason
[22:25] <billybigrigger> god why do i choose to mow the lawn in the middle of the day, so effin hot out today blaaaa
[22:34] <BUGabundo> (10:33:52 PM) seb128: BUGabundo, what is required is somebody having access to an amd64 box and a clue about autotools and libtool to debug
[22:34] <BUGabundo> any one for grabs??
[22:34] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: ??
[22:34] <BUGabundo> cwillu: around?
[22:35] <yofel> I've looked a bit at autotools but not at libtool - and I'm already in -devel anyway :P
[22:36] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[23:12] <dupondje> humz :)
[23:12] <dupondje> Icons broken ?
[23:12] <BUGabundo> dupondje: yep
[23:13] <dupondje> ah damn :)
[23:13] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/401938
[23:13] <dupondje> caused by ?
[23:13] <BUGabundo> x64
[23:15] <dupondje> good its reported :D
[23:16] <BUGabundo> I did it
[23:16] <BUGabundo> as usual
[23:16] <BUGabundo> if it is critical, I'm on it
[23:16] <BUGabundo> or as asac says: as soon as critical
[23:16] <BUGabundo> ahah
[23:18] <dupondje> my aptitude not showing all downloads is also critical for me :P
[23:18] <dupondje> but it doesn't get fixed :(
[23:21] <NoelJB> Has anyone had a problem where after TODAY's most recent updates and rebooting, the Desktop does not come back up clean (if at all)?
[23:22] <Bmw1000c> NoelJB what do you mean with "clean"?
[23:23] <BUGabundo> REMINDER: don't upgrade GTK on x64. its broken
[23:23] <yofel> hm... the gtk debuild ran fine...
[23:23] <BUGabundo> guud
[23:23] <Bmw1000c> debuild?
[23:23] <NoelJB> BUGabundo: Oh?  Lovely.  I'm on x64.
[23:23] <Bmw1000c> ok
[23:24] <BUGabundo> NoelJB: then DON'T :)
[23:24] <NoelJB> And I thought I saw that upgrade.  I suppose I can run apt-get to install the old version?
[23:24] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/401938
[23:24] <NoelJB> BUGabundo: too late :-)
[23:24] <BUGabundo> errr
[23:24] <BUGabundo> sorry
[23:24] <BUGabundo> I did warn it before
[23:24] <NoelJB> That could effect it, yes.
[23:24] <NoelJB> I wasn't on IRC.  :-)
[23:25] <yofel> pbuilder too
[23:25]  * yofel goes to report to seb128
[23:25] <NoelJB> So the icons are just part of the problem.
[23:26] <NoelJB> Bmw1000c: when I go to login, the prompt for the password/swipe is actually absent, although it accepts the input.  When I get to the Desktop, the display starts flickering, I may (I've rebooted several times with slightly different results) get a notice about the gnome daemon failing to load some resources, gnone-panel keeps failing ... all of that would be from this defect?
[23:27] <NoelJB> BUGabundo: do you know the last version that worked?
[23:27] <NoelJB> And, yes, I see the same things that Jarkko describes
[23:29] <sroecker> NoelJB, are you talking about gtk png loader on amd64 ?
[23:29] <BUGabundo> whose jarkkos?
[23:29] <BUGabundo> sroecker: yes. why do you know something?
[23:29] <NoelJB> sroecker: I believe that I am seeing the bug the BUGabundo reported.  BUGabundo, jarkko is one of the people who has commented on your bug report.
[23:29] <BUGabundo> NoelJB: previous one should worl!
[23:30] <BUGabundo> oh ok
[23:30] <sroecker> NoelJB, just ran into that too. installed previous version and it works
[23:30] <dupondje> i'm trying to rebuild it :P
[23:30] <dupondje> lets see if it works locally
[23:30] <NoelJB> BUGabundo: I can check dpkg log to see what needs to be reverted.  Unless sroecker has the command lines handy that were used.
[23:30] <sroecker> i am currently building from source and see what is failing
[23:30] <sroecker> hehe
[23:31] <BUGabundo> guys join seb129 on #ubuntu-devel
[23:31] <BUGabundo> if he is still online, yofel?
[23:31] <yofel> sroecker: I just let debuild and pbuilder run on gtk - both built fine
[23:31] <NoelJB> Oh, well heck, I'm booted to an Intrepid partition (gave up on Jaunty as the MS-Vista of Ubuntu), so I can see what you come up with.
[23:32] <sroecker> NoelJB, just install http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gtk+2.0/libgtk2.0-0_2.17.4-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[23:32] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[23:32] <BUGabundo> I think ill do that too
[23:33] <BUGabundo> can't leave like this
[23:33] <sroecker> I installed kde, but its not my thing
[23:34] <sroecker> yofel, and does your build load png?
[23:34] <NoelJB> downloading now, will then boot to karmic to install from console.
[23:35] <NoelJB> sroecker: thanks Steffen
[23:35] <sroecker> np
[23:35] <NoelJB> back after the reboot and install.
[23:35] <BUGabundo> s/leave/live/
[23:37] <yofel> sroecker: yes,
[23:37] <andresmujica> (17:36:00) seb128: yofel, ok thanks, I've a uploaded a no change rebuild version
[23:37] <andresmujica> (17:36:06) seb128: let's see how it works
[23:37] <sroecker> cool, just saw that too
[23:37] <andresmujica> i won't reload my session until that upload is available. :)
[23:39] <NoelJB> Downgrading gtk did the trick.  thanks sroecker.
[23:39] <NoelJB> BUGabundo: you back on karmic?
[23:40] <sroecker> NoelJB, seb128 just uploaded a new build, should work soon anyway ;)
[23:41] <NoelJB> sroecker: presumable 2.17.5-0ubuntu2 ?
[23:41] <NoelJB> sroecker: I would have expected little less than a very rapid response to this defect :-)
[23:42] <andresmujica> how many people are using karmic? ... it seems that more than usual for Jaunty just a few months old...
[23:42] <BUGabundo> andresmujica: no so sure
[23:43] <sroecker> i am using karmic because jaunty has bad intel drivers
[23:43] <BUGabundo> and remember we were very quiet in this # up until mid Alpha1
[23:43] <BUGabundo> *alpha2
[23:43] <BUGabundo> sroecker: bad excuse
[23:43] <BUGabundo> you have PPAs for that
[23:43] <sroecker> I know, but jaunty was imho one of the worst releases
[23:44] <andresmujica> i do believe the reason is Jaunty...
[23:44] <NoelJB> sroecker: Jaunty is unstable, period.   I don't have Intel graphics, and X is still unstable.
[23:44]  * Twigathy is using Karmic so if something breaks NFS root he can report it :D
[23:44] <andresmujica> a lot of people complain about it...  thou i'm using it at work laptop without problems and without additional ppa's ...
[23:46] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: reason is one of the most valid
[23:46] <BUGabundo> and the one I apply too
[23:46] <BUGabundo> to test and make sure apps used by regular users are working on release
[23:46] <NoelJB> BUGabundo: I don't know what is wrong with Jaunty, just that it is NOT stable.  Not without PPAs, not with PPAs.  Not with and not without Intel.  Hardy and Intrepid are still rocks, but not Jaunty.  Karmic has been more stable *already*.
[23:46] <sroecker> new package is availabel for download and works :D
[23:46] <Sarvatt> its mostly people using unsupported things in jaunty such as UXA and KMS that have the problems on intel in jaunty :D
[23:47] <Twigathy> BUGabundo: yup, that sounds good also. I think regular users 'upgrading' to karmic is a bit dangerous though. Lots of things can go wrong :)
[23:47] <sroecker> oh, still doesn't
[23:47] <sroecker> my fault, but my self built version works
[23:48] <BUGabundo> sroecker: thanks
[23:48] <BUGabundo> upgrading NOW
[23:48] <sroecker> BUGabundo, sorry
[23:48] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: true. but *if* every user tested a livecd/usb with their setting before beta
[23:48] <BUGabundo> it would help a lot to fix bug *before* release
[23:49] <yofel> BUGabundo: it's still building - https://edge.launchpad.net/builders/
[23:49] <BUGabundo> sroecker: grrrrrr
[23:49] <BUGabundo> don't do that!
[23:49] <BUGabundo> sroecker: I'm a _realtime_ kinda guy
[23:49] <BUGabundo> you say, i do, I post it all over :)
[23:49] <sroecker> lol, i am sorry. it just overwrote my custom version that worked
[23:50] <NoelJB> sroecker: so STILL not working?
[23:50] <sroecker> Sarvatt, video out for example didnt work with intel
[23:50] <yofel> for anyone that wants to follow the build, see here: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/2.17.5-0ubuntu2/+build/1126372
[23:50] <sroecker> NoelJB, not yet
[23:51] <sroecker> Sarvatt, no it works like a charm, even near 720p resolution with 945GM
[23:51] <sroecker> s/no/now
[23:52] <dupondje> u need to restart something btw
[23:52] <dupondje> after upgrading the gtk ?
[23:52] <NoelJB> FWIW, if you manually just revert libgtk, the following are broken: gtk2-engines-pixbuf, libgail18, libgtk2.0-bin and tomboy.
[23:52] <sroecker> dupondje, yes, that was my fault. you need to restart your programs
[23:52] <NoelJB> broken meaning at that apt-get thinks they are.
[23:53] <dupondje> rebuild the packages
[23:53] <dupondje> working smooth again :)
[23:53] <yofel> ok, it's built, now lets see...
[23:54]  * NoelJB waits to see if yofel says its time to update and upgrade :-)
[23:55] <yofel> ok, checked the new .deb file and the issue *is* fixed
[23:55] <yofel> seb128 confirmed it
[23:55] <NoelJB> yofel, have you installed and restarted to see if it all works?
[23:56] <yofel> NoelJB: it's not in the repos yes, but my self built version works flawless
[23:56] <yofel> *yet
[23:57] <NoelJB> yeah, I just noticed that it isn't in the repos.  <<sigh>>
[23:57] <yofel> for those that don't want to wait for apt get the debs from the build: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/2.17.5-0ubuntu2/+build/1126372
[23:57] <yofel> but the repos should be synced in a few minutes
[23:59] <NoelJB> Seems to me that the files are a bit too version dependent.  No way did this change just break 'gtk2-engines-pixbuf', which has a dependency libgtk2.0-0 = 2.17.5-0ubuntu1
[23:59] <yofel> NoelJB: you need *all* debs