=== asac_ is now known as asac [01:37] TheMuso, are you going to package gnome-mag 0.15.7? [02:34] robert_ancell: oh I missed that upload. Yes, I will do it, thanks. [02:35] TheMuso, cool. I thought it might have slipped through === hggdh_ is now known as hggdh [03:41] TheMuso, can you upload compiz 0.8.2-0ubuntu15? [03:45] robert_ancell: Sure. I assume its in bzr? [03:46] nvm found it [03:49] robert_ancell: where is ubuntu15? [03:53] TheMuso, yes, it's in bzr [03:56] hrm ok, I don't see it anywhere [04:00] TheMuso, oh, it's under the compiz user: lp:~compiz/compiz/ubuntu [04:06] Yeah thats what I pulled. [04:07] oh its ubuntu14 [04:07] ...or not [04:07] LP might be playing up. [04:09] TheMuso, my bad. I hadn't pushed. Should be there now [04:10] Ok thanks. [04:16] robert_ancell: The package FTBF sfor me. [04:16] *FTBFs for [04:17] TheMuso, hmm... i'll fix that... [04:28] TheMuso, the compiz package has patches that apply to files in debian/ - have you ever seen that before? I'm probably going to remove those patches and just apply directly [04:29] robert_ancell: No never seen that. Thats rather stupid if you ask me. [04:56] TheMuso, ok, updated. Should build now [05:15] robert_ancell: ok thanks [05:31] robert_ancell: uploaded. [05:54] TheMuso, thanks [06:00] robert_ancell: np [06:20] TheMuso, btw, are you also aware onboard 0.91.2 has been released? [06:35] robert_ancell: No, I will update it later. [07:34] Good morning [07:35] mac_v: no manpages for gdm.schemas; gconf provides inline explanations (or not, if the author didn't supply them) [07:35] hyperair: sounds like a known bug [07:45] pitti: the gconf doesnt have all the options, listed in the gdm.schemas , or maybe i'm not looking at the right place... i just want to turn on the auto login and set the timer from 30->10 secs... any ideas? [07:49] mac_v: timed login doesn't work ATM, I'm afraid; autologin is currently defined in /etc/gdm/custom.conf [07:50] pitti: ok.... also do you have any plans on removing/moving the Language,accesibility & keyboard options? [07:50] "moving"? [07:50] well, the entire design of that greeter is at disposition, I guess [07:50] but for now I'm still worried in making it work (DX team will make it pretty) [07:51] * pitti pokes at bug 401201 and bug 395103 [07:51] Launchpad bug 401201 in gdm "Files in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ aren't sourced anymore" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/401201 [07:51] Launchpad bug 395103 in gdm "Gnome doesn't have my configured keyboard layout after login anymore" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/395103 [07:51] pitti: moving the those options to a menu item labelled "Options" , as they are not frequently used anyway [07:54] * mac_v feels uncomfortable with the gdm , likes the gdm to look something non-fedora [08:00] hi [08:01] pitti: i just need to add "AutomaticLoginEnable=True" in /etc/gdm/custom.conf after the [daemon] line.. right? just asking , dont want to mess things up [08:01] hey asac [08:01] moin moin ;) [08:02] asac: yes, and AutomaticLogin=yourusername [08:02] erm, mac_v ^ [08:02] pitti: ok... thank you === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [08:04] asac: about editing the ff35 link which points to your blog? , for the firefox-3.5-gnome-support [08:06] hey pitti [08:10] hey robert_ancell, how was your weekend? [08:10] pitti, good [08:10] mac_v: what? [08:11] mac_v: what do you suggest? [08:13] asac: we discussed the other day on the ubuntu mozilla irc,maybe you forgot, you could add a mention in the firefox 3.5 link that mentions the need to add the firefox-3.5-gnome-support package in addition in Jaunty, some users are getting confused, why firefox 3.5 doesn get set as the default [08:13] !ff35 [08:13] Firefox 3.5 Final is available for Jaunty by installing the package firefox-3.5 | FF3.5 is referred to as Shiretoko on your UI, see http://is.gd/1reB3 for an explanation | Hardy & Intrepid: http://is.gd/1jkNY [08:14] s/that mentions/to mention [08:19] mac_v: thanks for the reminder. added [08:23] geser: are you sure that the bug in gdm is exactly the same? when I switch to German keyboard layout in console-setup, now gdm itself uses US layout [08:24] good morning everyone [08:25] hey chrisccoulson [08:25] hey pitti [08:25] good weekend ? [08:28] yes, I had; quiet, but relaxing; and you? [08:28] good morning there [08:29] hey pitti! [08:29] bonjour seb128 [08:31] pitti - my weekend was quite relaxing too, apart from moving my computer in to its new home [08:31] hey seb128 [08:31] hi chrisccoulson [08:31] chrisccoulson: you move your computer without moving along yourself? [08:32] pitti - i only moved it in to another room in the house. the old room has to be used for something else now ;) [08:35] good morning o/ [08:35] seb128 - i did the gnome-settings-daemon update last night. i dropped the gstreamer volume patch from the update, seeing as we're now using the pulseaudio volume control applet - i wasn't sure whether you wanted to do that though [08:35] i can re-add it again if not ;) [08:35] no that's good [08:35] cool. the notifications patch needed a bit of reworking to work with the new code too [08:38] * seb128 is catching up on weekend emails now and will do sponsoring after that [08:43] pitti, gdm 2.27.4 tarball available if you want to do the update [08:43] seb128: already done in bzr [08:43] seb128: currently fighting with bug 395103 again [08:43] Launchpad bug 395103 in gdm "Gnome doesn't have my configured keyboard layout after login anymore" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/395103 [08:43] pitti, you wake up way earlier than me apparently ;-) [08:43] seb128: usually I start around 8 [08:44] seb128: when you have some time, can you please just give a look at my gobject-introspection merge? I didn't upload it (http://www.didrocks.fr/temp/gobject-introspection_0.6.3-1ubuntu1.dsc). I mostly wondered by the DM didn't add replaces/conflicts against python-girscanner in gobject-introspection (to remove the python-girscanner package from system, even if now shipped files changed their path) [08:45] didrocks, replaces is only required when overwriting content [08:45] didrocks, not using conflicts is probably an oversight if the new version is an update of the old naming [08:46] seb128: yes, but conflicts alone won't remove the package and just forbide to upgrade [08:46] that would be an apt bug [08:47] or not bug but upgrade calculation issue [08:47] do you have anything depending on the old naming and the new one? [08:47] it doesn't prevent from upgrading and will remove the conflicting package? [08:47] well that's what dist-upgrade is supposed to do [08:48] no, I didn't try to just put conflicts alone (and there is no depend on the old naming), it was more a theorical thought [08:48] it puts things on hold when using Breaks [08:48] but when using Conflicts it should install the new one [08:48] ok, so I can only put Conflicts [08:48] yes, as said Replaces is only if you overwritte content [08:49] I knew that, but I previously (and wrongly ) thought that's the couple Replaces/Conflicts was needed to remove the conflicting package. My bad so ;) [08:50] I will change that this evening, test it and upload the package, so. Thanks :) [08:51] didrocks, you're welcome [09:13] pitti: I'm not sure that't the same bug, but the result is the same: I have now again a USA layout till it reset it back to german [09:14] pitti, bug #589024, did you ship the new binary in some .install? [09:14] Error: Launchpad bug 589024 could not be found [09:14] pitti, could explain all the bugs about nautilus not storing positions, etc [09:14] bug #401367 [09:15] Launchpad bug 401367 in nautilus "View mode always changes to Icons" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/401367 [09:31] pitti: How are the iso's looking? [09:43] dh: --with quilt not supported or failed to load module Debian::Debhelper::Sequence::quilt [09:44] getting ^^ on jaunty, any idea what's missing? [09:44] on karmic it builds ok [09:45] rodrigo_: debhelper jaunty version is not new enough [09:45] hmm [09:49] * seb128 managed to clean weekend emails backlog before lunch this week [09:50] short break and sponsoring coming next [09:52] seb128: congrats! I really don't want to imagine the number of bug mails you can receive within a weekend :) [09:52] didrocks, july is quiet [09:53] I had some 300 bug emails since saturday when I did read my emails [09:53] and maybe 80 other emails [09:53] it's sometime over 800 emails after weekend on busy weeks [09:53] that's still a high volume of bug emails, even 300 in july [09:53] seb128 - you need a secretary to read your mail ;) [09:54] ah ah [09:54] rodrigo_, didrocks: It's the quilt version in jaunty that isn't new enough, as far as that particular error is concerned [09:54] re (sorry, was on VTs, debugging gdm) [09:55] * pitti radiates hate towards gdm, it keeps breaking [09:55] 2.27.4 is an absolute desaster [09:55] maxb: ok, trying to build it without the --with-quilt version [09:55] pitti: yes, switch user crashes my desktop :( [09:56] no, the greeter crashes instantly [09:56] seb128: you mean it's missing a file? could be, haven't checked [09:56] rodrigo_: If it has quilt patches, simply not applying them isn't going to be a good option [09:56] pitti, yes, the new backend which does all the properties handling for nautilus [09:56] maxb: yeah [09:56] seb128: thanks for spotting [09:57] pitti, I'm about to do a 15 minutes break and then will do sponsoring and will have a look at gvfs after lunch if nobody is faster [09:57] seb128: cool, thanks; I hope I can unbreak gdm today (&#($*#$ keyboard layout) [09:57] pitti, you're welcome, that's just upstream comment asking if that new backend was running which made me think about that [09:57] do other people have US layout in gdm itself now, too? [09:58] rodrigo_: So basically the options are to backport quilt as well, or to modify the rules file of the other package to build in the logic that --with quilt would invoke [09:58] I'm not using your git snapshot but I can if you want [09:58] pitti, ^ [09:58] seb128: oh, what do you use? [09:59] pitti, 2.26.1-0ubuntu7, I just didn't dist-upgrade since friday [09:59] ah, ok [09:59] will do that now [09:59] brb testing new gdm [10:00] * pitti -> off again for gdm debugging [10:05] re [10:05] pitti, yes, keymap is USA by default now [10:15] seb128: where exactly? [10:15] I just tried it, and for entering passwords I get the system layout (correctly) [10:15] pitti, when I click on my user name the combo box for keyboard [10:15] but if I go to "other", it defaults to USA [10:16] or any other user name, yes [10:16] seb128: but for entering your password it's correct, right? [10:16] let me try, I did pick french before entering the password [10:16] but I think the combo is for the user session [10:16] not the login screen itself [10:16] right [10:17] well, if I select "other", and type the user name, I get US [10:17] ditto [10:17] that's the bug [10:17] it should use the system default [10:17] seb128: did it really get that right with 2.26.1? [10:17] pitti: if it matters, I've auto-login enabled and get a us layout [10:18] geser: ah, so you never picked the layout [10:18] pitti, I'm not sure now [10:18] geser: can you show me your ~/.dmrc? [10:18] no [10:18] if I pick the layout once, it's fine [10:18] ok, then I think I know what to do [10:18] [Desktop] [10:18] Session=gnome [10:18] no Layout= then [10:18] pitti, btw your xsession script change made seahorse-agent not be run [10:18] ok, that explains it then [10:18] seb128: I know, already fixed in bzr [10:19] * seb128 hugs pitti [10:19] you rock ;-) [10:19] seb128: but I need to back out 2.27.4, it makes the greeter crash [10:19] fixing bugs faster than we notice those ;-) [10:19] do you have a stacktrace? [10:19] yes [10:19] can I see it? ;-) [10:20] was overwritten by my last gdm restart, but I'll get it again [10:20] ok [10:20] lots of gobject stuff and a failed assertion [10:21] don't bother too much I can have a look with a local build later [10:21] there is not too many commits between your snapshot and the tarball should be easy to find the buggy one [10:23] I already tried to revert the two major ones [10:23] gdm-check-worker-state.patch and gdm-duplicate-usernames.patch [10:23] those weren't it [10:24] pitti: (just as a notice, nothing really urgent there). I played this week-end in integrating distutils-extra auto to quickly. I have found some annoying things and some of them can be called bugs. I didn't opened them yet as I think you can want to have a look at them first: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DidierRoche/distutils-extra.auto [10:25] pitti: I tried to categorize them, but it can be wrong and only from my point of view :) [10:25] feel free to edit the page to comment when you have some time === dpm_ is now known as dpm [10:26] didrocks: clean> did you try ./setup.py clean -a ? [10:26] didrocks: good stuff ther [10:28] pitti: hum, no. I will try it :) [10:28] pitti: thanks === yofel_ is now known as yofel [10:33] seb128: ok, got the keyboard thing nailed now; I'll bisect now to find the 2.27.4 breakage [10:52] chrisccoulson, gnome-session uplodaed, gnome-settings-daemon has a small .install issue [10:52] seb128 - thanks, i didn't notice that :-/ [10:53] seb128: meh, I reverted all patches now, and it still breaks; will take some more time [10:54] pitti, do you want me to test build the bzr version to see if I get the issue too? [10:55] seb128: if you have time, but I don't think it's something local [10:55] if I re-build the karmic version on current karmic, it still works (i. e. it's not a build-time failure against newer gobject or so) [10:55] pitti, let me run a build it shouldn't take too long to test [10:56] seb128: ok, it wasn't "all" patches yet, I didn't include the NEWS and translations changes [10:56] * pitti dives into diff harder [10:59] seb128: yop [10:59] lut vuntz [10:59] seb128: I believe you guys are using the compiz-manager script, but install it as compiz (and rename compiz to compiz.real). Is this right? [10:59] * pitti hugs vuntz [10:59] vuntz, correct [11:00] seb128: okay... Trying to figure out how to make compiz-manager usable from upstream gnome-wm [11:01] seb128: was planning to do something like "if test "x`which compiz-manager`" != "x"; then use compiz-manager, else use compiz" [11:01] * vuntz hugs pitti [11:02] vuntz, looks good to me [11:02] seb128: ugh, the gnome-wm tweaks you do in a patch are weird [11:02] seb128: do you really need /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/default? [11:02] why? [11:03] seb128: (you'd probably need to add a link from compiz to compiz-manager to not have to patch out the gtk-window-decorator call, btw) [11:03] vuntz, the gconf key is there for compatibility reasons I think [11:04] seb128: hi [11:04] hey mat_t [11:04] seb128: do you know anything about the planned features for the new gdm? [11:05] mat_t, nothing planned over what we have now in karmic [11:05] mat_t, what sort of feature are you looking after? [11:05] seb128: in particular, what the prefs menu will cover [11:05] mat_t, upstream doesn't want a preference menu or dialog [11:06] mat_t, they want autologin to be a checkbox in the user account tool [11:06] seb128: cool, that sounds good! [11:06] seb128: so what will the options be: autologin/no autologin, what about the face browser? [11:07] mat_t, there is no face browser yet and will not be one for karmic [11:07] mat_t, input from the design team on where a such option should go would be welcome though [11:07] seb128: I meant user picker [11:07] ? [11:07] seb128: atm I've got a user icon and user name next to it [11:07] right, those are the accounts on the system [11:07] seb128: I click on the user name to access the password [11:08] ie the "about me" capplet let you set those [11:08] I see [11:09] seb128 - fedora have a g-c-c patch for applying themes sytem-wide from gnome-appearance-properties (eg, to change the GDM theme) - do you think we should use this patch? [11:10] chrisccoulson, no opinion, it has been discussed upstream for a while now [11:10] I would welcome opinion from the design team about that too in fact [11:10] chriscoulson: does that mean ability to apply any gtk theme to the gdm, regardless of the individual user settings? [11:10] does it make sense to split options in different dialogs or de we want a gdmsetup tool [11:10] ok, no problem. i noticed it when looking at their polkit-1 patch, as that patch touched code that only they have in their version [11:11] chrisccoulson: sorry mistyped your nick ^ [11:11] mat_t - it would allow you to change the default system theme, much in the same way that you can change the default keyboard layout already [11:11] chrisccoulson, it's bug #536531 [11:11] gnome bug #536531 [11:11] Error: Launchpad bug 536531 could not be found [11:11] Gnome bug 536531 in Appearance "Allow setting the default background" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=536531 [11:12] seb128 - yeah, thats the one [11:12] chrisccoulson: that sounds like a good idea [11:12] mat_t - yeah, i thought so. i'll take a look at that patch [11:12] the thing is how do you change the login background then? [11:12] you change your, use the set system default [11:12] and then select back the one you want for your user? [11:12] chrisccoulson: great! [11:13] seb128 - changing the system default will change the GDM background and that of new users and users who are stll using the default [11:13] brb [11:14] seb128: chrisccoulson: can you explain what the background behaviour would be? [11:15] chrisccoulson: would the user be able to set the gdm background? [11:15] yeah, the button would change the system default background. This would set the GDM background, and would also set the background adopted by new users created on the system in the future [11:16] GDM adopts the system defaults currently, just like any other user on the system [11:16] I seer [11:16] see ^ [11:16] :) [11:17] i don't think it's ideal, but it's better than nothing and seems to be the direction that upstream are going in anyway (ie, no separate login screen preferences) [11:17] re [11:17] chrisccoulson: yes, I think it's a good direction [11:17] chrisccoulson, well I think we should get input from the design team if they think it's better to have a tools or not [11:18] seb128 - yeah, i don't mind either way [11:18] chrisccoulson: where would that be set from? Gdm menu? [11:18] mat_t, well it makes easy to use your background for gdm too [11:18] mat_t, but is that something people want to do usually? I don't want to login screen to have a personal photo I'm using for example [11:19] seb128: good point [11:19] so the button to set as system default means I've to unconfigure my background to set the gdm one and then configure it back [11:19] pitti, greater crash here too, seems to be keyboard thing [11:20] seb128: hmm that sounds a bit confused [11:20] if I may throw in my 2 cent, the only logical place for me would be in the gdm screen itself [11:20] I would probably never suspect my personal background image config dialog to be able to set the gdm screen [11:20] seb128: just captured a log with debug info [11:21] seb128: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/gdm-greeter.log [11:21] but I still don't understand it [11:21] seb128: I think the gdm should remain unpersonalised. It's a bit like a public door to the house with many flats - some tenants may not like your choice of grafitti on it :) [11:22] well, we do need to be able to configure autologin [11:22] and that's so unrelated to "about me" [11:22] I'd much rather like to see it in gdm itsefl [11:22] pitti, we were speaking about background, autologin in user account was not controversial [11:22] correct [11:22] pitti, yeah, same crash here [11:24] seb128: pitti: the avatar in the user picker makes it personal I guess. The problem now is that it's very difficult to discover how to change it [11:25] seb128: pitti: will that option be available while you set up your user account? [11:25] you mean the face for your user or the computer icon? [11:25] mat_t: ubiquity offers to configure autologin, yes [11:25] pitti: inc. avatar? [11:25] mat_t: not right now [11:26] mat_t: and I guess the installer is a bad environment to set it, too, since you usually don't have access to your photos there [11:26] pitti: I'm more interested in first run, although installer is the valid case, too [11:26] seb128: meh, it didn't change anything in gdm_get_layout_from_name() or related.. [11:26] mat_t: we don't have a "first run" wizard [11:26] (by design) [11:27] pitti: I'm referring to the set-up that you perform when you buy, e.g. Dell with Ubunu preinstalled [11:27] ah, oem-config [11:27] yes [11:27] mat_t: that's pretty much the same as in ubiquity now [11:27] I see [11:28] but again, at this time the computer is virgin, and doesn't have your files? [11:28] so you could only choose between a few default avatars [11:28] which is proably reasonable [11:28] Sure, but we could offer a nice selection to start with, and info how to change it later [11:28] just mentioning that you probably won't have access to personal files [11:28] yeah [11:28] right, avatar should be in "about me" [11:29] atm it's in the "Account information..." in FUSA menu [11:29] Is that "about me"? [11:30] yes [11:30] cool [11:30] it's also in system->prefs [11:31] ok, that makes a lot of sense then. So the conclusion would be that gdm background should not be editable [11:31] atm we're working on theming for the boot, os switcher and the gdm [11:32] so that it's a smooth experience [11:32] fine for me [11:32] but that still leaves the question where to put autologin settings [11:32] should be ready before the Dublin sprint [11:33] I think it should go into the "About me" section, as a tick box [11:33] mat_t: but there can be an "autologin war" between users having sudoer privileges [11:34] didrocks: good point, how has that been solved up until now? [11:34] each user ticking the box in its own "About me" dialog in his/her session, without noticing that other user already uses autologin [11:34] mat_t: as it is in a common dialog now, people see that another account is already using autologin [11:35] didrocks: IMO if there's more that 1 sudo user that option could just be switched off [11:35] * mat_t looks [11:36] didrocks: not sure which common dialog you have in mind [11:36] don't know, it was just a tought. Someone can change a value touching other users experience without noticing that there were another user using it. [11:36] mat_t: gdmsetup [11:36] didrocks, you can disable a "another user is already set, do you want to unset it now" [11:36] disable -> display [11:36] seb128: good point [11:37] mat_t: also, which user is loggedin automatiacally is a property of gdm, not a property of that user IMHO [11:37] and maybe write a currently next to the checkbox [11:37] it's a confusing place to configure it [11:38] I agree that configuring autologin (and gdm background) which are "global gdm value" in a user property related dialog is less than ideal [11:38] it should be a combobox with all users, plus "disabled" [11:38] and look the same for all users [11:39] this would at least avoid the "multiple autologin" case [11:39] but it still needs policykit, a backend, etc. pp. [11:39] which both makes the about me patch very intrusive, as well as still being a bad place for it [11:40] what's so wrong about configuring that right in the gdm screen itself? [11:40] pitti: without being logged and using polkit to say "I am acting as xxxx sudoer user to change that"? [11:41] yes, PK does allow that [11:41] of course it needs to be somewhere else as well [11:41] since if you use autologin, you need to be able to reset it [11:42] I think a "sudo-autologin war" is potentially a source of great confusion [11:43] yes, being able to reach in gdm itself seems local, appart from this autologin issue (we don't need dbus/gconf stuff?) [11:43] s/local/logical [11:44] pitti: didrocks: from the user perspective, in majority of cases there's probably only 1 sudo-user on the machine [11:44] pitti: didrocks: and that user will expect to be able to set autologin on/off for himself [11:45] pitti: didrocks: if there's more than 1 sudo user it probably means that we don't know which one is "more sudo" than the other :) [11:45] mat_t: both are equally "sudo"ish [11:45] i. e. both are allowed to change autologin settings [11:46] yes [11:46] both or none [11:46] mat_t: that's for sure. But I really think we don't have to change global gdm value in a user property dialog. Conceptually, there is no sense to do that [11:46] didrocks: explain [11:47] didrocks +1 [11:47] mat_t: the "About me" dialog is there to enable changing user related value (figure, name, password). autologin and gdm background are system-wide value, related to gdm, not binded to an user [11:47] bryce: tjaalton: any hint when xserver 1.7 will hit the archive? [11:47] mat_t: which user gets autologged in gdm is not a property of the "martin" user (or anyone else's) [11:48] it's a property of gdm [11:48] pitti: but it's a user's choice! [11:48] pitti: didrocks: it is a user-related value from that perspective [11:48] mat_t: well, everything is an user's choice [11:49] mat_t: if I install a new package, that's my user choice as well [11:49] but it certainly shouldn't be done in "about me" [11:49] "about me" is my name, my ICQ number, password, and whatnot [11:49] but I wouldn't like it to be cluttered with system preferences [11:49] yes, I agree [11:50] where else then? [11:50] as I said, bring back the old gdmsetup, and/or allow configuring autologin directly in gdm [11:50] system -> admin -> login manager wasn't a bad place IMHO [11:50] do you think it was? [11:50] pitti: I'd rather go for directly in gdm [11:51] I think it was hard to discover and too complex [11:51] mat_t: *nod* [11:51] I think that pitti's proposal is the most reasonable [11:51] I agree [11:51] Just wanted to test if there's anything better [11:52] :)( [11:52] OK, so what about the sudo-war [11:52] how can we solve that? [11:53] we don't? [11:53] if it's not in about me, but in gdm itself, there's no conflict [11:53] mat_t: if it's a separate dialog only runned as a sudoer, the existing drill, seing another account is already using autologin is enough [11:53] seeing* [11:53] Log in this user autoamtically: [martin] [11:53] with the combobox offering all users, plus "nobody" [11:54] hmmm, that sounds super-complex [11:54] how so? [11:54] I thought about avoiding separate meny whatsoever [11:54] gdm already knows which users exist [11:55] hold on [11:55] * mat_t checks his wireframes [11:56] (bbl, away for half an hour) [11:57] ok, so when you select your user in gdm and have a password field ready, there would be a checkbox below with "Log in automatically" [11:58] but that wouldn't work [11:58]