| LaserJock | Launchpad has just been open-sourced! | 06:12 |
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| highvoltage | LaserJock: \o/ | 08:44 |
| LaserJock | that's what I thought :-) | 08:45 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: btw, alpha 3 is coming up Thursday | 08:46 |
| ogra | see, MS commits code to the kernel and immediately later LP is opensourced :) | 08:49 |
| jsgotangco | alpha 3 wow that's fast | 08:50 |
| LaserJock | ogra: yeah, I can't imagine what's next, maybe -intel drivers that work or something crazy like that | 08:51 |
| ogra | hehe | 08:51 |
| highvoltage | ogra: nice observation! | 08:53 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: intel drivers are made out of niceness on karmic | 08:53 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: so I've heard | 08:54 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: I tried to download that dvd iso last night, but it got stuck on 10MB and just retried the download throughout until this morning | 08:54 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: well, it's only going to be very useful as something to rsync from at this point | 08:54 |
| LaserJock | we need to actually make a change for there to be anything significant | 08:55 |
| LaserJock | I'm not sure how we change the bootsplash, but that's something that should get done | 08:55 |
| LaserJock | and then as a first step make it use edubuntu-desktop instead of ubuntu-desktop for the Live part | 08:56 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: the syslinux bootsplash? | 09:02 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 09:02 |
| highvoltage | ogra: can I quote you on that? The "MS commits code.." line? | 09:03 |
| LaserJock | we need to re-theme the DVD now that Edubuntu is back | 09:03 |
| ogra | highvoltage, heh, if you feel like | 09:03 |
| LaserJock | I wonder if I can put my thesis online when I'm done | 09:04 |
| highvoltage | laserjock-thesis-online.com | 09:18 |
| ogra | .com ? | 09:18 |
| highvoltage | (if the domain squatters haven't taken it yet) | 09:18 |
| ogra | .edu you mean :) | 09:18 |
| highvoltage | oops, .us | 09:18 |
| highvoltage | oh right | 09:18 |
| LaserJock | not that more than a handful of people would find it interesting | 09:18 |
| LaserJock | but you know, I've worked a lot on it, it's kinda sad if *nobody* reads it | 09:19 |
| LaserJock | I'm not sure if I can put it online though | 09:19 |
| LaserJock | stupid academics suck for licensing | 09:19 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: I'm not an acedemic so I don't always understand so well... what's the point of writing a thesis again? | 09:19 |
| LaserJock | you do all this work and then you sign over the copyright | 09:19 |
| ogra | put it in ubuntuone and only share it with specific people ;) | 09:20 |
| LaserJock | the point of the thesis is to show original research | 09:20 |
| LaserJock | it is what you "defend" to get a PhD | 09:20 |
| LaserJock | but in the sciences anyway, it's so specific that hardly anybody is actually interested | 09:21 |
| LaserJock | so the biggest point right now is that grad students in my lab that follow me have a reference for what I did | 09:21 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: http://imglol-secure.s3.amazonaws.com/79f7549e81.png?AWSAccessKeyId=1ZA6N11XRH5XQJCZ7MG2&Expires=1248164660&Signature=sReTqtUy6ZWZqm5IBa2H1Rqi2TY%3D | 09:22 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: hahahaha | 09:22 |
| LaserJock | so true | 09:22 |
| LaserJock | I love wikipedia | 09:22 |
| LaserJock | it's a great research source, but you gotta go back to the originals | 09:22 |
| LaserJock | I was using it for some data | 09:23 |
| LaserJock | and it turns out it wasn't *exactly* right | 09:23 |
| highvoltage | heh, well at least it is a nice source for getting links to original sources | 09:23 |
| LaserJock | it's great if you want to just know what a subject is | 09:25 |
| LaserJock | like if I want to look up Brewster's Angle or Fresnel Equations or Surface Plasmon Resonance Spectroscopy :-) | 09:26 |
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| Svenstaro | #ubuntu-installer people say no plugins exist for the installer to account for installation profile and that the plugin system isn't done. Not even the slideshow part. May I now just branch it? | 21:18 |
| LaserJock | Svenstaro: did they say how hard it would be to get the plugin system going? | 21:19 |
| Svenstaro | People are working on it but I don't want to wait. | 21:19 |
| Svenstaro | I'm waiting all the time for people to finish their stuff and it will never be done. | 21:19 |
| mhall119|work | Svenstaro: I'm sure they would appreciate you contributing to the plugin stuff | 21:19 |
| mhall119|work | if they currently have something written, it would be nice if you could use it for what you want, and fill in any missing functionality you need from it | 21:20 |
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| LaserJock | I think the installer thing is going to be a long-term thing | 21:22 |
| LaserJock | we should look at what is best to do for 10.04 because it will be our stable, LTS release | 21:22 |
| LaserJock | for karmic I think we're too late to do much | 21:22 |
| Svenstaro | It's just hacking in an aditional dialog slider with a drop down menue and some explainations. I don't think it's going to be particularly hard. | 21:22 |
| Svenstaro | Aw come on. Still a lot of time. | 21:23 |
| LaserJock | look | 21:23 |
| LaserJock | we don't even have an .iso yet | 21:23 |
| LaserJock | we haven't fixed any bugs | 21:23 |
| LaserJock | we haven't written any documentation | 21:23 |
| LaserJock | there's a lot to do | 21:23 |
| LaserJock | and 1) it's not a great idea to fork the installer and 2) we'd have to maintain the change going forward | 21:24 |
| Svenstaro | Then let's create an ISO already. Shout at the CD-baker guys and provide the preseed. | 21:24 |
| LaserJock | we have a DVD being built | 21:24 |
| LaserJock | but nobody has worked out the seeds yet | 21:25 |
| LaserJock | no biggie, but I think it's wise to kinda look at first things first | 21:25 |
| LaserJock | my guess is for Karmic we'll need to just install all the Main edu apps | 21:25 |
| LaserJock | and then leave the Universe ones as .debs that can be installed from the DVD post-install | 21:25 |
| LaserJock | there's also the issue of trying to do some sort of Live LTSP setup | 21:26 |
| Svenstaro | All that stuff just can't be too hard. Preseeds are text documents with package names in them, aren't they? | 21:27 |
| LaserJock | well, but there is a web of about 10 of them we have to figure out right | 21:27 |
| LaserJock | it's not huge but it takes somebody doing it | 21:27 |
| LaserJock | one of the biggest issues with forking the installer is keeping it in sync with the main Ubiquity | 21:28 |
| Svenstaro | I assumed so. I'll just be contributing to trunk, then. | 21:28 |
| LaserJock | I'm quite worried about us getting out of sync with Ubuntu on this thing | 21:29 |
| LaserJock | since it's technically possible for us to have a different kernel, different installer, etc. | 21:29 |
| LaserJock | we need to stick tight | 21:29 |
| Svenstaro | I imagine that some stuff NEEDS to get out of sync in order to move forward. | 21:29 |
| LaserJock | the Ubuntu stuff should be 100% the same | 21:29 |
| mhall119|work | Svenstaro: can you make your changes such that they can be used in a regular Ubuntu install? | 21:29 |
| LaserJock | we should basically just be adding stuff | 21:29 |
| Svenstaro | mhall119|work, if I put my changes to trunk, sure. | 21:30 |
| Svenstaro | Why are there multiple Edubuntu preseeds, anywayß | 21:30 |
| Svenstaro | You will know which of them have been used for the current addons cd, no? | 21:31 |
| LaserJock | right, but a DVD is much more complicated | 21:31 |
| mhall119|work | Svenstaro: if you can make a general-purpose profile selector, and get that into the mainline installer, that would be best I think | 21:31 |
| LaserJock | the Edubuntu seed inherit the Ubuntu seeds | 21:31 |
| mhall119|work | rather than Edubuntu maintaining it's own | 21:31 |
| LaserJock | we have seeds for ubuntu-edu-{preschool,primary,secondary,tertiary} and then edubuntu-desktop and edubuntu-desktop-kde | 21:32 |
| LaserJock | then you have the dvd seed | 21:32 |
| LaserJock | and the dvd-live seed | 21:32 |
| LaserJock | those depend on live and desktop seeds | 21:32 |
| LaserJock | what we need to figure out is how to properly override the Ubuntu seeds so that we basically have the ubuntu DVD + Edubuntu stuff | 21:32 |
| LaserJock | and right now we're in Alpha 3 freeze | 21:33 |
| LaserJock | so messing around with the seeds is probably not a great idea | 21:33 |
| LaserJock | after Alpha 3 then we can start changing things and seeing how they work out in the daily build | 21:34 |
| Svenstaro | Let's just not care about the Ubuntu timeline when Edubuntu is in a kind of "emergency". | 21:34 |
| LaserJock | we have to | 21:34 |
| LaserJock | we really need to base off of Ubuntu otherwise we create a huge headache | 21:34 |
| LaserJock | so a little extra work in figuring out the initial seed setup should help us in future maintainability | 21:35 |
| LaserJock | perhaps this weekend I can figure that out | 21:35 |
| sbalneav | Is edubuntu in an emergency? | 21:35 |
| * sbalneav looks around? | 21:35 | |
| Svenstaro | sbalneav, I'd say so, yes. | 21:36 |
| sbalneav | What emergency? | 21:36 |
| LaserJock | well, in terms of getting things done for Karmic we need to get going | 21:36 |
| Svenstaro | Why not just create a list of all packages on the addon CD and put it into a preseed, done? | 21:36 |
| LaserJock | Svenstaro: because that's not how it works :-) | 21:36 |
| LaserJock | we will use the addon CD seeds | 21:36 |
| LaserJock | but you have to account for both the Live part of the DVD and the .deb pool | 21:37 |
| LaserJock | and then task name changes (that can kind of a bear, I screwed that up last time) | 21:37 |
| LaserJock | in any case, it'll be done for karmic | 21:37 |
| LaserJock | but what exactly we want to install and when is more of an issue | 21:38 |
| LaserJock | *what we want | 21:38 |
| LaserJock | nvm | 21:38 |
| LaserJock | I'll be back in a sec, got to run some paperwork to the grad school | 21:38 |
| Svenstaro | So then, it's back to waiting for me? | 21:39 |
| sbalneav | Why not pitch in help with bugs? Or help me with docs? Or help me to get sabayon functioning? | 21:40 |
| sbalneav | We've got tons of work to do. | 21:40 |
| Svenstaro | Sabayon is the application to spawn an X11 Nest to customize user profiles? | 21:41 |
| sbalneav | yes. | 21:41 |
| sbalneav | Or, jump in and become a member of the Ubuquity team. | 21:41 |
| Svenstaro | Can you quickly link me a list of open issues with Sabayon? | 21:42 |
| sbalneav | Bug #150068 is a good one. | 21:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 150068 in sabayon "Sabayon editor crashes when trying to make a change in a profile" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/150068 | 21:44 |
| sbalneav | That's the one I'm working on now. | 21:44 |
| sbalneav | Sabayon isn't "dead upstream", but it's "feeling-very-poorly-and-has-a-nasty-hacking-cough upstream" | 21:45 |
| sbalneav | so I'm rapidly seeing I'm going to have to kick in upstream. | 21:46 |
| sbalneav | there' | 21:46 |
| sbalneav | there's lots of ther bugs as well: | 21:46 |
| Svenstaro | Wait, does Sabayon have mass-edit functionality? | 21:46 |
| Svenstaro | For example if I wanted all users, one for every computer, to see the same thing when they autologin? | 21:47 |
| Svenstaro | Create one dummy profile using Sabayon and copy it over to every user saved on the LTSP server? | 21:48 |
| sbalneav | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~edubuntu-bugs/+packagebugs | 21:50 |
| sbalneav | Svenstaro: yes, sabayon has that ability | 21:51 |
| sbalneav | to apply profiles to single, or groups of users. | 21:51 |
| Svenstaro | How do Sabayon and Pessulus relate to eachother? | 22:05 |
| LaserJock | Svenstaro: Sabayon actually has a copy of Pessulus in it | 22:07 |
| Lns | Svenstaro: in that they both help administrators configure user accounts en mass :) | 22:07 |
| Svenstaro | Does it make Pressulus obsoleteß | 22:08 |
| LaserJock | Svenstaro: Pessulus is useful if you don't need full profile management, but only does a limited number of things (related to gconf) | 22:08 |
| LaserJock | no | 22:08 |
| LaserJock | they're slightly different tasks | 22:08 |
| Svenstaro | Wouldn't it make sense from a user perspective if those user account management tools would be one and the same? | 22:10 |
| LaserJock | well, *if* you want both you just use Sabayon | 22:11 |
| Svenstaro | So Edubuntu will only contain Sabayon? | 22:11 |
| LaserJock | but many people don't want both, so Pessulus is also shipped separately | 22:11 |
| LaserJock | no, both | 22:11 |
| LaserJock | for instance, Sabayon has been broken for 1+ years | 22:11 |
| LaserJock | while Pessulus is still being maintained upstream and is pretty much "Just Works" for what it does | 22:12 |
| LaserJock | so if you don't want to control the entire desktop then Pessulus may work better | 22:12 |
| Svenstaro | Which branch do I fork for my working copy? There are 4 candidates that appear to be quite recent. | 22:12 |
| Svenstaro | What's the difference between the ubuntu branch and the upstream branch? | 22:13 |
| Svenstaro | And why is the trunk older than those branchesß | 22:13 |
| LaserJock | Svenstaro: where are you looking? | 22:14 |
| Svenstaro | https://code.edge.launchpad.net/sabayon | 22:14 |
| Svenstaro | And why is there a subversion version as well? | 22:15 |
| LaserJock | Svenstaro: sabayon upstream used to be SVN | 22:18 |
| LaserJock | Svenstaro: now it's in git | 22:18 |
| Svenstaro | isn't it bazaar? | 22:19 |
| LaserJock | Launchpad mirrors it into bzr | 22:20 |
| * Lns has had lots of problems w/Pessulus and gave up on it a while ago | 22:20 | |
| sbalneav | I'm working off of a 2.25 upstream branch I took a month or so ago. | 22:20 |
| LaserJock | but Gnome doesn't use bzr | 22:20 |
| Svenstaro | So we have a Bazaar repo that was a Git repo that was a SVN repo? | 22:20 |
| LaserJock | well, technically not yet | 22:20 |
| LaserJock | the bzr repo is still mirroring the svn repo | 22:21 |
| LaserJock | which is now read-only | 22:21 |
| LaserJock | so the bzr mirror needs to be updated to point to the git repo | 22:21 |
| LaserJock | but yeah, that's the general idea :-) | 22:21 |
| LaserJock | but that would be the right branch to grab | 22:21 |
| LaserJock | bzr branch lp:sabayon | 22:21 |
| LaserJock | it's 14 weeks old but you're probably not missing much :-) | 22:22 |
| Svenstaro | Why do you Ubunu folks always tend to make stuff so complicated :/. Oh well, lp:sabayon it is. | 22:22 |
| LaserJock | well, we're not making complicated | 22:23 |
| LaserJock | we're actually making it easier | 22:23 |
| LaserJock | but the behind the scenes stuff can get a bit scary | 22:23 |
| Svenstaro | That's what I meant. | 22:23 |
| LaserJock | Launchpad could have no code hosting whatsoever, so you'd have to go find the branch from upstream | 22:23 |
| Svenstaro | The devs suffer so it's easier for the user :/ | 22:23 |
| LaserJock | in this case get the git clone | 22:23 |
| LaserJock | and then try to match that with the bzr branches used for packaging | 22:24 |
| LaserJock | in this case getting the code is as easy as: bzr branch lp:sabayon | 22:24 |
| Svenstaro | I'd simply export my SVN repo to my harddisk, shut down the SVN on whereever I used to host it and put up my GIT server and add my exported stuff to GIT afterwards. | 22:24 |
| Svenstaro | There even is a SVN-GIT converter. | 22:25 |
| LaserJock | sure | 22:26 |
| LaserJock | but that's just one upstream | 22:26 |
| LaserJock | if you're dealing with multiple upstreams, with different VCSes, and then your trying to have packaging branches, etc. | 22:27 |
| Svenstaro | Meh, let's stop discussing this. I'll cope with the overhead for now. | 22:27 |
| LaserJock | having LP just mirror it all into bzr makes it a lot easier | 22:27 |
| LaserJock | well, you don't *have* to use it if you don't want to | 22:28 |
| LaserJock | it's just if you want to use bzr that's where it is | 22:28 |
| LaserJock | if you want to use upstream's git go for it | 22:28 |
| LaserJock | I do it sometimes | 22:28 |
| Svenstaro | It would help if there were *one* definitive resource and one *definitive* way to contribute code. | 22:29 |
| LaserJock | of course | 22:29 |
| LaserJock | but this is open source | 22:29 |
| LaserJock | Launchpad is trying to give that definitive resource | 22:29 |
| sbalneav | People like to branch things, remember? :) | 22:30 |
| LaserJock | but it has to deal with thousands of independent projects, so it's messy sometimes | 22:30 |
| Svenstaro | If the projects have their own code hosting don't use Launchpad. | 22:30 |
| Svenstaro | No reason to make it appear in two different places. | 22:30 |
| LaserJock | right, but then you don't have the definitive resource | 22:31 |
| sbalneav | Heading home for the day. I'll be on later tonight. | 22:31 |
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