[00:00] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: probably it is only available for registered users?
[00:00] <JontheEchidna> didn't say anything at all
[00:00]  * neversfelde ignores jte|test
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[00:01] <jte|test> hullo there
[00:01] <neversfelde> is not working
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[00:41] <dtchen> neversfelde: not sure if someone answered already regarding maintainer field, but now it's simply Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>
[00:42] <neversfelde> dtchen: thanks, I took Ubuntu Core Developers now, but will change it
[00:43] <shtylman> Riddell: just pushed another revision which fixed (unrelated to your problem) a release label bug...but I tried the installer in a live cd environment and got through the install process...
[00:43] <dtchen> neversfelde: i doubt anyone will harm you if you leave it ubuntu core developers
[00:43] <neversfelde> dtchen: yes, will change it next time. Should the MOTU entr also be replaced with "Ubuntu Deveolpers" ?
[00:44] <dtchen> neversfelde: yep
[00:44] <neversfelde> k
[01:16] <JontheEchidna> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/QuasselvsKonvi
[01:27] <ELITE_x> JontheEchidna: that quassel vs konver wiki is a bit outdated
[01:27] <JontheEchidna> ELITE_x: feel free to correct things, I just made that and I'm not a quassel user really
[01:27] <ELITE_x> Command aliases (/media /audio, etc)
[01:28] <ELITE_x> YES
[01:28] <JontheEchidna> all I see are /j and /back
[01:28] <JontheEchidna> using git from yesterday
[01:28] <ELITE_x> there is music spam and full sysinfo stuff also
[01:29] <ELITE_x> try /exec mpris amarok
[01:29] <ELITE_x> or /exec inxi -G
[01:29] <JontheEchidna> users will try /media or /music
[01:30] <ELITE_x> right
[01:30] <JontheEchidna> I'll put it yellow as "really hard to use"
[01:30] <ELITE_x> i will ask Sput :P
[01:30] <ELITE_x> make it more "user" friendly
[01:37] <maco> you mean you just want more aliases shipped by default?
[01:37] <maco> that shouldnt be too hard...
[01:38] <JontheEchidna_> Error 5: dependency not met: gawk not found in path
[01:39] <JontheEchidna_> it seems quassel needs a recommends on gawk
[02:05] <maco> hrm i get that help not found problem with kblogger too. anyone know how to get the help stuff for it?
[02:06] <JontheEchidna> it's possible it doesn't have any. lots of third-party apps don't
[02:07] <maco> hrm yeah looking at the website, they only have docs for the kde3 version
[02:07] <maco> which is VERY different
[02:07] <maco> well lets see if i can figure this thing out well enough to write docs
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[03:41] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: We sent a list of stuff TODO for the Quassel devs to look at (see kubuntu-devel archives).  If you find something not on that list that you think is important, then be sure to bring it up.
[03:42] <ScottK> Riddell: I think for netbook we are in good shape for Alpha 3.  I tested out yesterday's ISO and it worked fine at least for live session.
[03:43] <ScottK> Riddell: The biggest ISO problem I know of is jockey-kde and policykit not playing nicely with each other.  Tonio said he would look into it.
[04:15] <seele> ScottK: i'm hoping to do a review of 0.5.0 tomorrow. my goal is to improve the first-time wizard, then maybe some primary ui tweaks
[04:17] <ScottK> seele: Cool.  Did you see the TODO list Riddell already sent to the Quasssel devs (kubuntu-devel)?
[04:17] <ScottK> I know Sput has that and is working on some stuff.
[04:31] <ScottK> Riddell: Looks like no Kleopatra in Main: Bug #267555
[04:31] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 267555 in dirmngr "Main Inclusion Report for dirmngr" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/267555
[04:31]  * ScottK goes and unseeds it.
[04:36] <ScottK> Looks like Riddell got there first.
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[05:54] <ScottK> Looks like soprano is a sync now.
[06:54] <Sput> ScottK: did our (mine and EgS' replies) to Riddell's mail ever get onto the devel list?
[06:55] <Sput> JontheEchidna: Quassel does split too long messages, even wordwraps :)
[06:56] <maco> hey guys, kblogger appears to be fubar. it doesn't authenticate to the wordpress blog i'm trying it on, and i see someone else on twitter saying authentication is broken for them too. they say kblogger told them to try Bilbo (kblogger fork), but thats not in ubuntu
[10:07] <freeflying> can you guys copy anything from konsole with the latest upgrade in karmic?
[10:40] <ScottK> Sput: I think it did, but I don't honestly recall.
[10:40] <ScottK> freeflying: Yes (at least as of yesterday's updates - didn't update anything today).
[10:40] <Riddell> yes they both did
[10:42] <freeflying> ScottK: can't here, wired
[10:43] <Riddell> live CD creation currently stuck
[10:43] <ScottK> Arora has a new upstream release?
[10:43]  * ScottK waves to Riddell.
[10:43] <ScottK> Ouch.
[10:44] <ScottK> Riddell: I'll be offline most of today, but around tomorrow to help with ISO testing.
[10:44] <Riddell> yes it does, we should get it in but I see we're frozen
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[10:45]  * ScottK runs off.
[12:08] <shtylman> Riddell: mind giving the installer another go?
[12:09] <shtylman> I have no idea why you were seeing that problem
[12:11] <Riddell> shtylman: trouble is I don't have a working karmic install currently
[12:12] <Riddell> on one machine X crashes when I start KDE.  on another it doesn't show windows in the boot loader and that makes laptop owner grumpy
[12:12] <shtylman> Riddell: oh...very nice :)
[12:13] <shtylman> I am not without my own problems... I am still on the -30 kernel like cause none of the -31 ones boot for me :)
[12:14] <Riddell> I seem to have got daily CDs build now though so time for another shot
[12:14] <shtylman> heh
[12:16] <neversfelde> I can test a CD, too. A special one or just i386 desktop?
[12:21] <Riddell> just that
[12:51] <Riddell> meh, same problem on today's CD, I have no clue how to debug it
[12:52]  * ryanakca scratches his head at the '+'/'-' in KPackageKit
[12:52] <yao_ziyuan> although i use suse, i suggest this desktop for your next release: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/?content=108743
[12:53] <ryanakca> Riddell: Same problem being X crashes?
[12:53] <Riddell> ryanakca: yes
[12:54] <ryanakca> Riddell: Nothing in ~/.xsession-errors ?
[12:55] <Riddell> ryanakca: "kdeinit4: Fatal IO error: client killed"
[12:55] <Riddell> which google suggests is some issue between Qt and X
[12:56]  * ryanakca pulls down today's liveCD and tests in virtualbox
[12:56] <JontheEchidna> Sput: I got kicked off with a too long message using git from the 19th
[12:56] <Riddell> it works ok on the other computer I have so it'll just be an issue with the obscure video card in here
[12:57] <JontheEchidna> it all seemed to be in one message too
[12:57] <JontheEchidna> no splitting, warning or anything
[12:58] <ryanakca> Riddell: what video card?
[12:58] <neversfelde> virtualbox is not working in karmic atm
[12:58]  * ryanakca grins at work's ``327.25M  48%   11.20MB/s    0:00:31''
[12:59] <Riddell> hum, actually it's just as broken on the other computer :(
[12:59] <Riddell> ryanakca: S3 UniChrome Pro
[13:04] <ryanakca> Riddell: X works, see http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/plasma-overlap.png
[13:06] <Riddell> hmm, plasma's default setup is not great
[13:06] <ryanakca> No...
[13:08] <ryanakca> The new header for the website, did we want it a solid blue, or did we want a gradient / pattern thingy
[13:25] <Riddell> ryanakca: what's in the new header?
[13:26] <ryanakca> Riddell: The one we discussed at UDS, similar to www.xubuntu.org, with Get Kubuntu, Get Help, Get Involved
[13:26]  * ryanakca is trying to at least get a sensible shape for it, but my inkscape skills are rather poor
[13:29] <JontheEchidna> whoa, soyuz got open sourced. wasn't expecting that
[13:35] <ryanakca> rgreening: Hi, I'm still working on plasma-widget-facebook, it appears to be the first python plasmoid to be packaged. Manually copying the files to the appropriate locations results in plasma not being able to find the files, trying to use plasmapkg to install it results in a "Can't find X server" type error during build.
[13:37] <Riddell> ryanakca: oh aye, well the current box and background should be ok no?  just change the content
[13:38] <ryanakca> OK, no need to get the logo inset into it?
[13:39] <Riddell> ryanakca: I don't think it has to be, of course you can come up with some designs and we can debate them endlessly :)
[13:39] <Riddell> phew CD seems to sucessfully boot on second try
[13:39] <Riddell> ubiquity seems to have disappeared from the desktop though
[13:41] <ryanakca> Riddell: I'll skip the designing and the debates, if the current masthead background is fine, I'm willing to stick to it
[13:48] <Riddell> waa, ubiquity broke
[13:49] <Riddell> shtylman: any quick thoughts on this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/223530/
[13:52] <ryanakca> How would the KTorrent icon be for the download icon? (/usr/share/icons/default.kde4/128x128/apps/ktorrent.png
[13:53] <JontheEchidna> I started this last month or so: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KarmicKoala/Alpha3/Kubuntu
[13:53] <ryanakca>  /usr/share/icons/default.kde4/128x128/apps/system-users.png for get help
[13:53] <JontheEchidna> pics needed
[13:54] <ryanakca>  /usr/share/icons/default.kde4/128x128/categories/system-help.png might work too
[13:57] <ryanakca> .. and say /usr/share/icons/oxygen/128x128/categories/applications-development.png for get involved
[13:58] <ryanakca> I'll assume everybody loves them if I don't hear any complaints on the suggestions :)
[14:01] <Riddell> ryanakca: ktorrent.png is good, system-help.png too and ack on applications-development.png too
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[15:09] <Riddell> anything I should include in the canonical desktop meeting kubuntu update today?
[15:12] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: this probably isn't meeting material, but I would like to throw out a friendly reminder for http://paste.ubuntu.com/223587/ + bumping to main + removing plasma-widget-network-manager
[15:12] <Riddell> oh aye, good point
[15:12] <JontheEchidna> :) bbiab
[15:14] <seele> does kickoff in 4.3 have the other changes we repeatedly submit upstream, such as descriptions on by default and alignment fixes? or are we repatching that as well?
[15:15] <Riddell> seele: we still patch those in
[15:15] <seele> argh!
[15:16] <seele> do they just silently reject the patch or have they escalated to "why the hell are you *still* sending us this patch?" yet?
[15:18] <Quintasan> argh, this is driving me crazy >_<
[15:19] <Riddell> seele: I seem to remember when I submitted it the response was "we've discussed this lots, you can argue either way, we've gone with the other way"
[15:19] <Riddell> I'm paraphrasing of course
[15:21] <seele> the reasoning is so stupid.. in one application aaron complains there are too many clicks, in another application he essentially *requires* the user to use the mouse to read
[15:21]  * seele shakes her fists in frustration
[15:22] <seele> i'd say submit the patch again, just to be annoying
[15:22] <seele> we've already done it 2, 3 releases now?
[15:24] <Quintasan> Can anyone running karmic do apt-file search bookmarksrunner.cpp and tell me wheter is throws something out or not?
[15:25] <ryanakca> Quintasan: nadda, http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=bookmarksrunner.cpp&mode=exactfilename&suite=karmic&arch=any
[15:26] <Riddell> it's in the kdebase-workspace source package though
[15:27] <Quintasan> Riddell: How come? I downloaded it several times and it was not there :/
[15:28] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: what happens to the plasma-widget-network-manager package?
[15:28] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: should be removed from karmic
[15:28] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: no dummy package or replaces or anything?
[15:29] <JontheEchidna> that debdiff I handed you for networkmanagement fixes the dummy package :P
[15:29] <JontheEchidna> otherwise we would have caught this earlier since there would be a universe package trying to get on the CD
[15:29] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: it has a dummy package for plasmoid-widget-network-manager
[15:29] <Riddell> but not plasma-widget-network-manager
[15:29] <JontheEchidna> oh
[15:30] <JontheEchidna> right, oops
[15:30] <JontheEchidna> that's what the debdiff fixes
[15:30] <Riddell> aah, right
[15:31] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: this should probably wait until after the freeze though
[15:31] <JontheEchidna> I'll look into making a bzr branch so that we don't lose this
[15:33] <Riddell> upstream are working on a non-plasma applet anyway
[15:53] <Quintasan> srsly, Chromium is lot faster than Arora, Konq and Opera :/
[16:04] <EagleScreen> Arora crash flash videos very often
[16:04] <Quintasan> Riddell: Thanks, the file was there as you said :P
[16:21] <Riddell> meh, another RC release on its way
[17:21] <nixternal> I NEED A JOB!!! HELP ME!!! I will package like a mad man :p
[17:22] <nixternal> ScottK: dude, the USN will not budge on my orders, so I told them it is off unless they get me on a ship or over to Iraq/Afghanistan
[18:03] <DaskreeCH> nixternal: Poke Canonical and tell them you'll allow them to pay you to be a boot up wherever they need a boot
[18:04] <Sput> JontheEchidna: huh. Freenode (or any ircd) doesn't usually kick you off with a too long message, it's just cut off
[18:04] <Sput> (and the split isn't shown locally, but others will get multiple messages)
[18:06] <DaskreeCH> JontheEchidna: Ping
[18:24] <seele> how do i change the available display size in virtual box? i can't get anything besides 800x600
[18:26] <Riddell> davmor2: know your virtual box stuff?
[18:26] <maco> seele: did you install vbox extensions?
[18:26] <maco> in the guest OS?
[18:26] <seele> maco: i guess not because i dont know what that is :)
[18:28] <maco> ok then. there's an iso that you have to put as the cd drive on your guest, then tell the guest to access the cd drive and install the package thats in the iso. it gives the host OS support for the virtual hardware so it can have higher resolutions and do that nifty seamless mode
[18:28] <davmor2> seele: you can get it as an iso from virtualbox site
[18:28] <maco> virtualbox-ose-guest-utils will get the iso
[18:29] <davmor2> seele: it has a bunch of useful stuff on it that helps modify various bits of the system
[18:30] <davmor2> Riddell: I mostly use kvm and virt-machine-manager
[18:30] <seele> maco: where does that download to?
[18:31] <davmor2> seele: /home iirc or the folder that contains the vms
[18:31] <JontheEchidna> DaskreeCH: pong
[18:32] <maco> oh hmm or maybe you just install that package in the guest and it does auto-magic
[18:32] <maco> looking at the file list for the deb, its got an init script...
[18:33] <DaskreeCH> JontheEchidna: DId I ask you about the kopete yahoo backport already?
[18:33] <DaskreeCH> I've forgotten
[18:33]  * JontheEchidna points to the topic
[18:33] <JontheEchidna> nobody seems to care enough
[18:33] <DaskreeCH> davmor2: Never played with kVM how is it?
[18:34] <Riddell> what is the kopete yahoo backport?
[18:34] <davmor2> sound at least for me any way
[18:34] <DaskreeCH> we have a topic?
[18:34] <DaskreeCH> !yahoo
[18:34] <ubott2> Sorry, I don't know anything about yahoo
[18:34] <JontheEchidna> /topic
[18:34] <DaskreeCH> Liar
[18:34] <maco> any of you know how the sudo package works? i'm trying to ask bdale in #debian-devel so i can fix bug 191264, but if any of you know...
[18:34] <ubott2> Launchpad bug 191264 in kdesudo-kde4 "KDE4: sudo removes /usr/lib/kde4/bin from PATH: e.g. "sudo kate" fails" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191264
[18:34] <seele> uhm.. hmm.. i got the iso through apt but i can't find it anywhere
[18:35] <ubottu> At the moment there are many pidgin users experiencing problems connecting to Yahoo IM, you can try changing your paging server to cn.scs.msg.yahoo.com (port 5050) and see if that helps.
[18:35] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 191264 in kdesudo-kde4 "KDE4: sudo removes /usr/lib/kde4/bin from PATH: e.g. "sudo kate" fails" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191264
[18:35] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 191264 in kdesudo-kde4 "KDE4: sudo removes /usr/lib/kde4/bin from PATH: e.g. "sudo kate" fails" [Medium,Confirmed]
[18:35] <ubott2> Ubuntu bug 191264 in kdesudo-kde4 "KDE4: sudo removes /usr/lib/kde4/bin from PATH: e.g. "sudo kate" fails" [Medium,Confirmed]
[18:35] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 191264 in kdesudo-kde4 "KDE4: sudo removes /usr/lib/kde4/bin from PATH: e.g. "sudo kate" fails" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191264
[18:35] <ubott2> Launchpad bug 191264 in kdesudo-kde4 "KDE4: sudo removes /usr/lib/kde4/bin from PATH: e.g. "sudo kate" fails" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191264
[18:35] <DaskreeCH> bug 391763
[18:35] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 391763 in kdenetwork "Kopete won't login yahoo" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/391763
[18:35] <ubott2> Launchpad bug 391763 in kdenetwork "Kopete won't login yahoo" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/391763
[18:35] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 391763 in kdenetwork "Kopete won't login yahoo" [Unknown,Fix released]
[18:35] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 391763 in kdenetwork "Kopete won't login yahoo" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/391763
[18:35] <ubott2> Ubuntu bug 391763 in kdenetwork "Kopete won't login yahoo" [Unknown,Fix released]
[18:35] <JontheEchidna> recursive bot fail^
[18:35] <ubott2> Launchpad bug 391763 in kdenetwork "Kopete won't login yahoo" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/391763
[18:35] <Riddell> ?
[18:35] <seele> ow
[18:35] <DaskreeCH> head hurts
[18:35] <maco> hahahaha
[18:36] <DaskreeCH> Why are there two of them? Did ubottu have an illegitimate child ?
[18:36] <DaskreeCH> in any case Riddell Yahoo can't login
[18:37] <seele> davmor2: i dont see the iso listed on the virtualbox site
[18:37] <Riddell> DaskreeCH: but there's a fix that we need somewhere?  isn't it in KDE 4.3 branch?
[18:37] <DaskreeCH> Yes
[18:38] <DaskreeCH> it works in KDE 4.3 RC2 AFAIK
[18:38] <DaskreeCH> for those not running that pretty much It's either install pidgin or use meebo
[18:39] <Riddell> oh but 9.04 and older will need a fix
[18:39] <Riddell> hmm
[18:39] <DaskreeCH> Indeed
[18:39] <DaskreeCH> hence the bug with the number I dare not mention
[18:39]  * DaskreeCH glances sideways at the bots listening in
[18:41] <Riddell> seems someone has it in a PPA http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=197104#c35
[18:41] <ubott2> KDE bug 197104 in Yahoo Plugin "Kopete does not connect to yahoo Remains in "Connecting "" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[18:41] <maco> haha
[18:42] <davmor2> seele: you don't need to now apparently http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/virtualbox-guest-addons.html
[18:45] <maco> seele: on the GHNS thing, i know the gold star needs to be there, and for the text is the standard going to be "Get [Object]" or is there supposed to be another word?
[18:46] <maco> (i'm looking at Amarok right now, it has the gold star)
[18:46] <seele> Get [whatever it is you are getting]...
[18:46] <seele> or did I say Get New [object]..?
[18:46] <maco> see, you're confused too
[18:47] <seele> davmor2: when i do that, it says it can't find the VBGuestAdditions.iso file
[18:47] <seele> i just dont remember what i said when i was thinking about it
[18:47]  * seele is doing three things at once atm
[18:48] <seele> davmor2: oh oh, nevermind. i'm really slow today. it will download it for me
[18:48]  * seele should probably break for lunch
[18:50] <ubottu> Error: Could not parse XML returned by KDE: timed out (http://bugs.kde.org/xml.cgi?id=197104)
[18:50] <ubottu> Error: Could not parse XML returned by KDE: timed out (http://bugs.kde.org/xml.cgi?id=197104)
[19:11] <Artemis_Fowl> maco: alone or are you aided by someone else too?
[19:12] <maco> Artemis_Fowl: jpwhiting is mentoring me
[19:12] <maco> because i know nothing about qt
[19:13] <maco> and the total of c++ knowledge is that its like java without garbage collection and with ::
[19:15] <Artemis_Fowl> maco: ok nice. how will it be implemented? using a KPushButton subclass or a KStandardGuiItem?
[19:16] <maco> Artemis_Fowl: kdelibs/knewstuff/knewstuff2/ui/knewstuffbutton i think
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[20:01] <Artemis_Fowl> maco: is there any mockup for the button's final state? or any other document describing its capabilities?
[20:02] <maco> Artemis_Fowl: thats really old code that he worked on then dropped and now its being pulled out to fix the inconsistencies between apps
[20:03] <maco> all i know is that the final version will show the gold star, "Get New %1..." where %1 is a string passed to setbuttontext()
[20:03] <maco> some currently say "get more" or "get" or dont have the star or dont have the ...
[20:04] <Artemis_Fowl> yes, I noticed it's old code. have you implemented anything new?
[20:04] <maco> Artemis_Fowl: jp is explaining in #kde-devel
[20:04] <maco> no im just looking now
[20:05] <Artemis_Fowl> ok
[20:16] <ryanakca> What's the equivalent of 'bzr bd-do' for svn-buildpackage ?
[20:33] <maco> ugh i totally do not understand what the *four* ics's in korganizer are
[20:33] <maco> part of it is because why the heck did evolution make TWO ics's of the same name with my different hostnames appended? just because i move the ics from old comp to new comp doesnt mean i want a new one grr
[21:08] <Quintasan> libxklavier12-dev is a Virtual package in karmic, on what I should depend? libx11-dev?
[21:20] <nixternal> oh, head ache and rain on its way, and a bike ride is supposed to kick off in 2 hours
[21:20] <nixternal> :(
[21:27] <neversfelde> my karmic is totally unusable :(
[21:31] <nixternal> my karmic is rocking :p
[21:32] <neversfelde> mhh, I cannot even open a konsole
[21:40] <Quintasan> meh
[21:45] <quassel208> Why is Kubuntu 9.04 so unstable, I sometimes lose control over the pc and forced to reset it
[21:48] <Quintasan> quassel208: general question go to #kubutu. I sugges you to try using htop and iotop for monitoring disk,cpu and RAM usage
[21:49] <quassel208> And bug that?
[21:49] <Quintasan> quassel208: huh? You want to file a bug cause 9.04 is slow? That's not a good idea
[21:51] <quassel208> its not slow, but just unstable, its like I am editing whole time pictures and suddely kwin effects get turned off and pc because really unstable, like its hard to get control back, and most time I am forced to reset the pc
[21:54] <Quintasan> quassel208: Then something's hogging up your resources, try htop or KDE's System Guard
[21:54]  * Quintasan notes his KDE is slow even without doing anything :/
[21:55] <quassel208> I dont see something that hogging up my resources, but showfoto uses sometime more the 500 mb
[21:55] <Quintasan> quassel208: Well, that's hogging up, it shouldn't use 500mb of RAM, should it?
[21:56] <quassel208> dont know, I have 2 gb off ram, and in total the pc just uses 1, but gues ur right, so should I monitor the program?
[21:58] <neversfelde> a Plasma problem, killing the *rcs helps
[21:59] <quassel208> *rcs like rc ?
[22:00] <neversfelde> plasmarc
[22:01] <Quintasan> quassel208: if you have 2gb of RAM, try using --graphicssystem raster when you launch apps
[22:01] <Quintasan> quassel208: like   konsole --graphicssystem raster
[22:03] <Quintasan> LOL - when I press my multimedia keys, whole desktop lags for 5 seconds and then the keypress is sent :D
[22:04] <quassel208> lol really, u using also intel grapics ?
[22:05] <quassel208> neverfelde what does this --graphicssystems
[22:05] <maco> Quintasan: me too!
[22:06] <maco> well actually....the whole desktop doesnt lag, but the multimedia's sure do
[22:06] <Quintasan> maco: I always thought it's just my comp being shitty :P
[22:06] <quassel208> One thing I always said, in begin Windows feels faster then Linux
[22:07] <Quintasan> quassel208: It changes window rendering system to raster,using it gives much improvment in terms of speed.
[22:08] <quassel208> why is that not default ?
[22:08] <maco> no thats been happening to me since i fresh-installed karmic a week ago
[22:08] <Quintasan> quassel208: increased usage of RAM
[22:09] <quassel208> I have enough ram, If I see only 1 is used
[22:09] <Quintasan> maco: I'm raging at my computer since, hmm, let's say last year's January :P
[22:10] <quassel208> but this --graphicssystem raster works only on kde apps?
[22:10] <Quintasan> quassel208: Qt apps
[22:10] <Quintasan> quassel208: so basically on all KDE apps
[22:11] <quassel208> okay so on everthing exspect firefox
[22:11] <Quintasan> lol firefox
[22:11] <Quintasan> :P
[22:11] <quassel208> yes I know I shouldnt use it :P
[22:12] <Quintasan> I'm disguster with Opera, Konq, Arora and Firefox - launch time is about 7 seconds
[22:12] <Quintasan> Chromium launches within second :/
[22:12] <Quintasan> s/disguster/disgusted
[22:13] <quassel208> Chromium?
[22:13] <Quintasan> Heard of Google Chrome?
[22:13] <quassel208> oh so its finally there
[22:13] <Quintasan> Open source version of it
[22:14] <Quintasan> Still alpha tho.
[22:14] <quassel208> ow doesnt mather so much
[22:15] <Quintasan> quassel208: if you want a stable browser then -> kthxbai
[22:16] <quassel208> thats not a browser, but some geek word
[22:16] <Quintasan> There's something wrong with my computer, switching windows takes 4 fcking seconds
[22:16] <Quintasan> quassel208: Chromium? It's a web browser
[22:17] <quassel208> kthxbai not
[22:17] <Quintasan> oh
[22:18] <Quintasan> I mean it's not stable and if you want crash-free experience then look for something else
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[23:29] <seele> so.. another stupid virtualbox question
[23:29] <seele> i installed the addons and rebooted the vm, but i dont know where the options are
[23:29] <seele> i dont see a utility on the guest os and nothing in the vb config
[23:32] <shtylman> Riddell: no idea on that problem... I also don't know why it doesn't work for you but ran fine for me...
[23:34] <maco> with kde using cmake, does that mean packaging is different from how non-cmake packages work?
[23:35] <Quintasan> maco: Hmm. Maybe tell us what are you trying to do first :P
[23:35] <maco> package bilbo
[23:35] <Quintasan> maco: Add pkg-kde-tools to build-deps
[23:36] <maco> it appears to be a kblogger fork and on twitter someone with the same kblogger-wont-auth issue as me said the kblogger maintainer recommended it, but its not packaged
[23:36] <maco> Quintasan: that's it?
[23:36] <Quintasan> maco: nah
[23:36] <JontheEchidna> bilbo is in revu iirc
[23:36] <Quintasan> maco: add it and wait a second :P
[23:36] <maco> hehe ok
[23:36] <maco> im trying to figure out the not-dh_make way to use debhelper...but i dont know it
[23:36] <maco> and it occured to me that with cmake, this might vary
[23:37] <Quintasan> maco: I suppose you are doing it for learning, if it's in REVU then you are propably wasting time :P
[23:38] <Quintasan> maco: to compile kde apps we should use pkg-kde-tools, you add it to build deps
[23:38] <JontheEchidna> you'll need cdbs too, btw
[23:38] <maco> oh...it is in revu
[23:38] <maco> i wanted to *use* it
[23:39] <maco> but didnt want to compile and throw bins all over my system
[23:40] <Quintasan> maco: to get the package you need to compile it
[23:40] <Quintasan> maco: You are using pbuilder I suppose
[23:40] <maco> yes
[23:40] <maco> hmm maybe debhelper lesson will be held off
[23:41] <maco> ill just try neversfelde's package
[23:43] <Quintasan> maco: grab the source and check how he made it if you want to know :P
[23:50]  * Quintasan loves using KDE 4 without plasma-desktop
[23:50] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: got a second?
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> sure
[23:51] <Quintasan> I'm working on plasma-netbook
[23:51] <Quintasan> and it requires patching kdebase-workspace and kdeplasma-addons
[23:52] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I noticed that
[23:52] <Quintasan> Both still in RC phase, for now ScottK said he will put those in PPA but I don't know how we will deal with it later
[23:53] <Quintasan> also RC3 is being tagged so I will have to do it second time :/
[23:57] <seele> email sent regarding kickoff organization
[23:57]  * seele checks that item off the list
[23:57] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: can't we just put the patches in the packaging?
[23:58] <JontheEchidna> (the kdebase/kdeplasma packaging)
[23:59] <JontheEchidna> I'm not sure I understand the problem
[23:59]  * Quintasan stops thinking for few seconds