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NoelJB	I know :-)	00:00
NoelJB	was just writing a bash script to wget them all.	00:00
BUGabundo	NoelJB: err	00:00
yofel	well, ok, you don't need the -dev and -dbg ones ;)	00:00
BUGabundo	aptitude safe-upgade?	00:01
NoelJB	BUGabundo: they aren't yet in the repos.	00:01
BUGabundo	I can wait then	00:01
dupondje	update ! :P	00:02
NoelJB	dupondje: been doing it. still not :-)	00:02
yofel	ok, it's synced	00:02
billybigrigger	BUGabundo, sorry missed your ping, was out staining my night stand, still need help?	00:02
BUGabundo	billybigrigger: not anymore	00:03
billybigrigger	sorry :(	00:03
BUGabundo	billybigrigger: DON'T upgrade if you are on x64	00:03
billybigrigger	:P	00:03
billybigrigger	roger	00:03
dupondje	still broken ?	00:03
billybigrigger	what are we waiting for?	00:04
billybigrigger	gtk+2.0 (2.17.5-0ubuntu2)?	00:04
yofel	billybigrigger: exactly ;)	00:05
billybigrigger	roger	00:05
NoelJB	still not in the repos for me.	00:05
dupondje	indeed	00:05
dupondje	:P	00:05
dupondje	it downgraded again here :x	00:06
dupondje	nobody has this (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/391035) issue btw ?	00:07
ubottu	Ubuntu bug 391035 in aptitude "aptitude stops displaying downloads" [Undecided,New]	00:07
BUGabundo	dupondje: nope	00:07
dupondje	really strange :s	00:07
dupondje	have it really every every time :(	00:07
billybigrigger	BUGabundo, what's the link to the +1 irc stats page you guys had posted the other day?	00:11
billybigrigger	and did anyone ever find out why there are 2 volume icons?	00:12
yofel	billybigrigger: one is the old one, and the other comes from the new sound preferences	00:12
dupondje	billybigrigger: its a temp status, next upload of gnome-media? will fix it	00:12
billybigrigger	oooh ok	00:12
dupondje	billybigrigger: http://ubuntustats.dnsalias.net/ubuntu+1.html	00:13
BUGabundo	yep	00:13
BUGabundo	what they said :)	00:14
BUGabundo	heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy akgraner	00:14
BUGabundo	still no cloak on irc?? you are laggin behind new Member :)	00:14
akgraner	BUGabundo, hiiiiiii! :-)	00:14
billybigrigger	roger	00:14
akgraner	i'm a slacker!!!	00:14
akgraner	doh!	00:14
* dupondje slaps the repo's		00:14
BUGabundo	eheh dupondje	00:15
BUGabundo	nothing here yet	00:15
BUGabundo	akgraner: I you are running karmic and x64 DON'T UPGRADE	00:15
BUGabundo	or you will lose all your icons	00:15
* akgraner goes to work on that..:-P		00:15
dupondje	btw, is there somebody that would like to look @ http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332078	00:15
ubottu	Gnome bug 332078 in File Search Interface "Search button should be a toggle button" [Minor,New]	00:15
dupondje	need to solve the last issue, but can't find a proper way	00:16
akgraner	BUGabundo, ahh ok thanks!	00:16
dupondje	btw, doesn't it wait for the package to get builded on ALL systems to sync with repo's ?	00:18
BUGabundo	no	00:18
NoelJB	libgtk-bin and libgtk-common are not part of the upgrade?	00:18
BUGabundo	not yet build maybe?	00:20
billybigrigger	ia64 and armel are building	00:20
billybigrigger	nothing in queue for amd64	00:20
yofel	cause amd64 is build already	00:20
billybigrigger	just hasn	00:21
billybigrigger	't hit repos	00:21
billybigrigger	stupid enter key	00:21
billybigrigger	stupid fat fingers :{	00:21
NoelJB	BUGabundo: nope: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/2.17.5-0ubuntu1/+build/1126041 it wasn't there either. Something I must misunderstand about where those come from.	00:22
NoelJB	because they are here :-)	00:22
yofel	NoelJB: the -commmon packages are architecture independent so maybe they were built on some other machine	00:23
NoelJB	yofel. I was just noticing that. :-) libgtk2.0-0_2.17.5-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb versus libgtk2.0-bin_2.17.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb, so not in the x64 area.	00:26
NoelJB	http://launchpadlibrarian.net/29305043/libgtk2.0-bin_2.17.5-0ubuntu2_all.deb	00:26
yofel	I really don't know how LP handles does so don't ask me :P	00:27
yofel	s/does/those	00:27
NoelJB	and http://launchpadlibrarian.net/29305042/libgtk2.0-common_2.17.5-0ubuntu2_all.deb	00:28
NoelJB	so that's the whole set	00:28
NoelJB	given what was posted earlier	00:28
yofel	hm... why does syncing always take longest when you're waiting for it XD	00:28
NoelJB	The sheer perversity of nature. :-)	00:29
NoelJB	I'll be back after a restart ... guinea pig at play.	00:29
* BUGabundo waits a bit more		00:30
* billybigrigger watches BUGabundo waiting....		00:30
* yofel is tired of waiting		00:30
billybigrigger	stop.............	00:31
billybigrigger	hammer time!!!	00:31
* BUGabundo pokes billybigrigger with a latex pants!		00:32
billybigrigger	heh	00:32
yofel	wb NoelJB	00:32
NoelJB	OK, installing the ubuntu2 packages fixed gtk	00:32
yofel	hi DanaG	00:32
billybigrigger	good	00:33
billybigrigger	now we can all just wait a bit longer :P	00:33
yofel	NoelJB: a re-login would have been enough :P	00:33
NoelJB	So when they hit the repos, or for people who want to do this manually, all should be good.	00:33
NoelJB	yofel: I know, but for testing I prefer to force a clean start.	00:33
NoelJB	By the way, does anyone know why ... well, when the new login screen comes up, it shows a computer icon with the computer name, but if you click on the icon, the text switches to say "squeeze/sid". Something that hasn't been cleaned up from debian import?	00:34
BUGabundo	DanaG: be aware of UPGRADES on x86	00:35
BUGabundo	with broken GTK	00:35
Sarvatt	what the heck was I thinking, dug up an old server i forgot about and its formatted JFS :D	00:35
dupondje	BUGabundo: x64 ;)	00:35
Sarvatt	whats wrong with it?	00:36
NoelJB	nevermind. known as bug 396805	00:37
ubottu	Launchpad bug 396805 in gdm "gdm has an icon with the computer name. Clicking it shows the debian version." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/396805	00:37
BUGabundo	Sarvatt: some ppl do like kinky stuff	00:37
BUGabundo	dupondje: doh	00:37
BUGabundo	see how late its for me ?	00:37
Sarvatt	whats wrong with gtk+?	00:37
NoelJB	Sarvatt: it was broken for a while today.	00:37
yofel	Sarvatt: bug 401938	00:38
ubottu	Launchpad bug 401938 in gtk+2.0 "gtk 2.17.5 has no png loader built on amd64 which breaks icons" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/401938	00:38
Sarvatt	how so? sorry, dont have the chat log handy right now	00:38
Sarvatt	ahh	00:38
billybigrigger	BUGabundo, what time is it?	00:38
yofel	Sarvatt: we're all waiting for the fix to hit the repos XD	00:38
yofel	and it just won't sync...	00:38
BUGabundo	1am	00:39
BUGabundo	but I got up at 7	00:39
billybigrigger	grab a cup of coffee :D	00:39
BUGabundo	and had a very tireing day, and my eyes are killing me	00:39
BUGabundo	I don't drink coffee	00:39
Sarvatt	what does pkg-config --libs gdk-pixbuf-2.0 say for someone on x64 with a broken one?	00:39
BUGabundo	oh right we didn't let Sarvatt in the loop	00:39
BUGabundo	LOLOL	00:39
BUGabundo	its what happens when one comes in late	00:40
billybigrigger	Sarvatt, -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lm -lgobject-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 -lglib-2.0 FYI	00:40
Sarvatt	been trying to get my darn efika up all day but none of my 11 keyboards work on it lol	00:40
BUGabundo	$ pkg-config --libs gdk-pixbuf-2.0	00:40
BUGabundo	Package gdk-pixbuf-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.	00:40
BUGabundo	Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gdk-pixbuf-2.0.pc'	00:40
BUGabundo	to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable	00:40
BUGabundo	No package 'gdk-pixbuf-2.0' found	00:40
BUGabundo	too tired to do pastebin :)	00:40
yofel	Sarvatt: acording to seb128 the png loader failed to build in the previous version - something with -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 not found	00:40
Sarvatt	no worries	00:40
billybigrigger	:O	00:41
Sarvatt	was just curious, im sure its fixed :D	00:41
billybigrigger	tsk tsk BUGabundo	00:41
billybigrigger	haha	00:41
NoelJB	Sarvatt: it IS fixed, based on that I wrote a script to pull directly from the build site and install. working fine.	00:46
billybigrigger	hmm long wait...	00:53
BUGabundo	gone	00:54
BUGabundo	tomorrow should be fixed	00:54
NoelJB	billybigrigger: waiting on the gtk update?	00:54
yofel	It's already been an hour since the build...	00:54
NoelJB	if you want, I'll post my install script.	00:54
billybigrigger	NoelJB, i can wait :P	00:55
yofel	bye BUGabundo	00:55
billybigrigger	just don't remember the last time it's taken this long for a package i've been waiting on to hit repos :P	00:55
billybigrigger	BUGabundo, night	00:55
* BUGabundo /sbin/movearse sofa /dev/bed; ln -s eyeupperlid eyelowerlid		00:55
NoelJB	well, if anyone gets impatient: http://pastebin.com/d2cad08bf	00:56
NoelJB	I was lazy: fetched everything, but only installed what I actually use.	00:57
yofel	NoelJB: too lazy for 'dpkg -i *.deb'? :P	00:58
NoelJB	yofel: I could have edited down my wget list, but then someone else who needed more files would have to go find them.	01:00
yofel	^^	01:01
yofel	hallelujah, the repos got synced...	01:03
yofel	finally	01:03
billybigrigger	its about time :P	01:04
billybigrigger	now everyone has went to bed haha	01:07
hggdh	anyone with problems on gnome on this last batch of updates?	01:26
yofel	hggdh: no icons - fixed	01:27
NoelJB	hggdh: earlier today, yes. ubuntu1 broken, ubuntu2 fixed.	01:29
hggdh	in my case I have the panel flashing about once every .2 seconds (give or take .1 seconds)	01:30
hggdh	so I am now under xfce, still missing some updates (and network-manager complains about some critical missing resources, and dies)	01:32
billybigrigger	apt-cache policy libgtk2.0-0	01:32
billybigrigger	hggdh, says what?	01:32
hggdh	checking	01:32
hggdh	2.17.5-0ubuntu1	01:33
billybigrigger	sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade	01:33
billybigrigger	my friend :P	01:33
billybigrigger	update hit repos only a few minutes ago so...	01:34
billybigrigger	what does candidate say?	01:34
billybigrigger	ubuntu2?	01:34
hggdh	billybigrigger: will do as soon as the current apt run finishes	01:34
hggdh	right now in the middle of one dist-upgrade	01:34
billybigrigger	roger	01:35
hggdh	yes, a new libgtk2.0-0 is being installed now	01:40
maxb	ah, I have the panel flashy sillyness too	01:40
hggdh	good, I have company ;-)	01:40
DanaG	hmm, my panels are just fine, oddly enough.	01:41
maxb	hmm. architecture specific?	01:41
DanaG	Linux EliteBook 2.6.31-3-generic #19-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jul 14 16:07:02 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux	01:42
hggdh	and compiz is dead, and network-manager, and about half of Gnome	01:43
hggdh	well. 49 minutes to download all, at an amazing speed of 40KB/s	01:47
DanaG	what's the bad one, and what's the good one?	01:53
DanaG	ah, libgtk	01:53
DanaG	ubuntu2 is good one?	01:53
yofel	DanaG: yes	01:53
yofel	the ubuntu1 one is missing the icon loader for png icons - breaks just about everything	01:53
DanaG	oh, no wonder mine works fine. I'm on Version: 2.17.4-0ubuntu2	01:53
DanaG	note the '4'	01:54
yofel	and the bug is x64 only	01:54
DanaG	Linux EliteBook 2.6.31-3-generic #19-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jul 14 16:07:02 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux	01:54
* DanaG is on 64-bit.		01:54
* hggdh also		01:55
maxb	latest updates do fix it	02:00
mac9416	Hello, I am working on making a submission for Karmic's default wallpaper. I'm editing a Wiki page now, but I don't know how to upload my images. Do I have to an image-bucket?	02:37
rww	mac9416: click "Attachments" at the top of the page, then upload it there. Then, within the page, you'd want to do something like {{attachment:example.png}}	02:53
Pici	Okay thats odd. mpd just started playing music.	02:53
rww	Pici: that's the fanfare that accompanies all messages by me	02:53
mac9416	:-D	02:53
Pici	I didn't have any music type applications open. I was reading something on firefox.	02:54
mac9416	Twilight Zone?	02:54
Pici	Well, I was looking at a photo of a beach when this steel drum music started to play. It was eerie.	02:56
Pici	I'd file a bug, but I don't know how to diagnose something that just starts working on its own.	03:04
mac9416	Well, fellas, I'm not going to be able to get it all done tonight, Thanks for your help, g'night.	03:06
Hobbsee	hm, how can I force X to detect an external monitor at a higher resolution than it does now?	03:12
NoelJB	Hobbsee, that can depend on the monitor. New modern monitors should report them resolution. Older ones ... well, nothing to do but force it as far as I know.	03:12
Hobbsee	NoelJB: i'm not sure if it's jsut the graphics card not handling the high resolution - it can be done in display properties when connected to another machine. Do you have information on forcing it?	03:13
NoelJB	By "force" I meant manual config of xorg.conf	03:14
NoelJB	It all works fine with a different graphics card?	03:14
Hobbsee	well, after turning off mirror mode, yes	03:15
Hobbsee	(different aspect ratios on the screen)	03:15
silence144	hello all I was wondering of someone could tell me if grub2 has been fixed in the karmic nightly builds?	04:10
silence144	Anyboby here?	04:15
DanaG	!anybody	04:17
ubottu	A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?	04:17
DanaG	i.e. "is it fixed" -- depends on what the problem was.	04:17
silence144	Dana G when I installed the alpha 2 grub gave a boot error	04:18
silence144	As I did not read the notes first lol what else is new,I did not know grub was amiss just wondering so I can try again	04:19
silence144	thanks for your reply I'll download the nightly and give it a try.	04:20
silence144	later all	04:20
Tekno	morning	04:20
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skyjumper	is nvidia broken?	04:57
skyjumper	just upgraded to latest kernel and nvidia-glx-180, X is saying the kernel module isn't loaded	04:59
Tefad	did you reboot?	05:04
Tefad	or reinstall the nvidia drivers..	05:05
Tefad	however that works	05:05
skyjumper	hmmm... should there be a kernel package without an associated restricted-modules package?	05:07
uman	!info ghc6	05:29
ubottu	ghc6 (source: ghc6): GHC - the Glasgow Haskell Compilation system. In component universe, is optional. Version 6.10.3-3ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 30967 kB, installed size 144896 kB	05:29
uman	lame	05:29
uman	ooh it does work	05:29
DanaG	* glibc detected * /usr/bin/gksu: double free or corruption (!prev): 0x000000000144c200 ***	05:55
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DanaG	yargh.	05:56
durt	after some inactivity, possibly screen saver/power save/suspend/hibernate, Xorg goes to 98% cpu and keyboard/mouse are locked up. Old S3 virge using vesa server. any thoughts?	06:05
oldude67	ok with me having video issues with the -3 kernel where is the best place to find docs on updating my system to a newer kernel?	07:10
oldude67	can someone give me a link to a kernel update for this version of ubuntu please.id like to try and fix my video.	07:35
oldude67	ah never mind i havent found any newer then the one i have anyways.	07:38
oldude67	ok next question anyone know when the next kernel release is scheduled?	07:43
billybigrigger	oldude67, try in a few days	08:13
oldude67	billybigrigger, ty	08:24
wraund	is there like a troubleshooting page for 9.10... I am having some serious problems >.>	10:26
ikonia	wraund: to use the beta products you should have a grasp of at least basic troubleshooting	10:37
ikonia	wraund: what's the problem ?	10:38
torkiano	hello, tha last update has broke my gnome session	10:49
torkiano	anyone else?	10:49
torkiano	I can't loggin	10:49
wraund	torkiano: be more specific, I may have had the same problem..	10:51
torkiano	wraund, the screen flickers all the time	10:58
torkiano	wraund, I have installed the new GDM	11:03
torkiano	maybe that is the problem	11:03
mattik	Hello. How do I fix grub? I don't have windows entry on it after installing. It started allways Kubuntu	12:12
mattik	I'm using Kubuntu 9.10 alpha 2	12:13
gnomefreak	!grub2	12:47
ubottu	Sorry, I don't know anything about grub2	12:47
gnomefreak	!grub	12:47
ubottu	GRUB is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto	12:47
gnomefreak	mattik: see the links above	12:47
yofel_	mattik: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Dual-booting	12:47
yofel_	gnomefreak: ubottu doesn't know anything about grub2 yet :/	12:48
mattik	Thank you! gnomefreak you are still here. It's a over year when I used Kubuntu	12:48
gnomefreak	yofel_: ill fix it when i get time	12:48
yofel_	thx :)	12:48
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mattik	My freenode password have disappeared and I have asked it so many times that I try to be now without identify	12:50
gnomefreak	!grub2 is <reply> GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager in Karmic. For more information on GRUB2 please refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2	12:51
ubottu	I'll remember that, gnomefreak	12:51
gnomefreak	yofel: fixed	12:51
gnomefreak	!grub2	12:51
ubottu	GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager in Karmic. For more information on GRUB2 please refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2	12:51
yofel	yay :D	12:51
mattik	thank you friends :)	12:53
mattik	it worked :) thank you	12:58
mattik	how about blocked updates? Is it better to wait or force update it?	12:59
mattik	them	13:00
mac9416	If y'all don't mind me recycling my question, I'll copy and paste it from #ubuntu :-)	13:11
mac9416	"I am still trying to understand how to add my images to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Backgrounds/Default I have uploaded the images, I just don't know how to add them to the page."	13:11
yofel	mattik: you can use aptitude to see what's holding them back, but forcing them is usually a bad idea	13:11
mattik	yofel: thank you :)	13:12
yofel	mattik: click on 'attachments' in the top bar, upload your image, go back to the wiki site, click edit, and add your pic like everybody else (you'll see how they added it when you edit the page)	13:14
yofel	mac9416: ^^	13:14
yofel	mattik: sry, <tab> got the wrong one ^^	13:15
mattik	np	13:15
mac9416	yofel, OK, Lemme find the edit button. Haven't seen it yet	13:15
mac9416	<ctrl><f>edit got it :-P	13:16
mac9416	Well, I feel dumb. Thanks, yofel.	13:16
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dupondje	https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/391035 <- can somebody test, but with terminal window MAXIMIZED ! :)	13:48
ubottu	Ubuntu bug 391035 in aptitude "aptitude stops displaying downloads" [Undecided,New]	13:48
Bmw1000c	everythings normal here	13:49
dupondje	with gnome-terminal maximized ?	13:51
Bmw1000c	yes, maximized	13:55
Bmw1000c	and the same with full screen	13:56
dupondje	strange :s	13:56
Bmw1000c	what internet speed do you have?	13:57
Bmw1000c	Reading package lists... Done 55%] 131kB/s 4s	13:57
Bmw1000c	!paste	14:06
ubottu	pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com \| To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin \| !pastebinit to paste directly from command line \| Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic	14:06
Bmw1000c	dupondje http://paste.ubuntu.com/223544/	14:06
Bmw1000c	!pastebinit	14:08
ubottu	pastebinit is the command-line equivelent of !pastebin . Command output, or other text can be redirected to pastebinit, which then reports an URL containing the output. Simple usage: command-name \| pastebinit	14:08
Bmw1000c	cool	14:08
dupondje	Bmw1000c: it doesn't matter the internet speed	14:08
dupondje	have it with 100kb & 1000kb	14:08
dupondje	:(	14:08
Bmw1000c	oh, ok	14:08
Bmw1000c	hmm just noticed that notification popup is very small now	14:13
miklcct	!bot	14:15
miklcct	Qt: 4.5.2	14:15
miklcct	KDE: 4.2.96 (KDE 4.2.96 (KDE 4.3 RC2))	14:15
miklcct	kde4-config: 1.0	14:15
ubottu	Hi! I'm #ubuntu+1's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots	14:20
Andphe	Hi there, since yesterday I lost some icons, the new wave theme doesn't show borders for buttons (or any other control), anyone with the issue ?	14:25
dupondje	Andphe: u installed updated today also ?	14:27
dupondje	amd64 system ?	14:28
yofel	Andphe: what version of libgtk2.0-0 do you have?	14:28
Andphe	Linux andphe-desktop 2.6.31-3-generic #19-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jul 14 16:07:02 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux	14:28
yofel	Andphe: if you have libgtk2.0-0 version 2.17.5-0ubuntu1 then please update, it's broken	14:29
Andphe	http://paste.ubuntu.com/223553/	14:29
Bmw1000c	yep upgrade it	14:29
Andphe	ok	14:30
Andphe	I don't see any update available	14:31
Andphe	wich repo do you use ?	14:31
yofel	hm, if you have -ubuntu2 then it should work	14:32
yofel	did you re-login after the upgrade ?	14:32
Andphe	well, that was yesterday, I shutdown it	14:32
Andphe	but I've not restarted since today updates	14:32
Andphe	I'll try	14:33
oldude67	just had a xorg-server update for intel, would that mean my intel video might work with the -3 kernel now?	14:40
oldude67	ok, well reboot and find out be back in a sec. lol	14:41
Andphe	it worked	14:42
Andphe	sorry waste your time	14:42
Bmw1000c	eheh Andphe :)	14:43
yofel	Andphe: np ;)	14:44
Andphe	I promise restart after any update :P	14:45
Bmw1000c	oh gee i found a bug but it's hard to reproduce	14:51
Bmw1000c	lock screen	14:52
Bmw1000c	leave a blank message, click Save and dont move the mouse	14:52
Bmw1000c	and it show's the desktop	14:52
Bmw1000c	oh yeah	14:53
aboSamoor	i tried to upgrade ubuntu to 9.10 but I got this bug 332350, I restarted to get a black screen, now I am using my usb stick. can you help me to figure what is the problem ?	14:55
ubottu	Launchpad bug 332350 in apport "package_hook crashed with IOError in write()" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/332350	14:55
aboSamoor	should I make a fresh install instead ?	14:57
BluesKaj	Hey all	15:01
Bmw1000c	hello BluesKaj	15:02
BluesKaj	hi Bmw1000c	15:03
Bmw1000c	oh :( it's a known bug	15:03
Bmw1000c	bug 334441	15:03
ubottu	Launchpad bug 334441 in gnome-screensaver "[jaunty] leave a message briefly shows desktop" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/334441	15:03
yofel	Bmw1000c: to you have ccsm installed? I've got an idea	15:05
yofel	hi BluesKaj	15:05
Bmw1000c	no i dont	15:06
BluesKaj	hi yofel	15:06
yofel	Bmw1000c: install it then go to System->Preferences->CompizConfig Settings Manager	15:07
Bmw1000c	yes	15:07
yofel	then go to General Options	15:08
yofel	and under General disable 'Undirect Fullscreen Windows'	15:08
yofel	and try again	15:09
aboSamoor	can anyone help me to recover my system ?	15:09
Bmw1000c	unredirect :P	15:09
Bmw1000c	ok, disabled	15:09
yofel	ah ups ^^	15:10
Bmw1000c	and i can reproduce it	15:10
yofel	hm, ok, then that wasn't the problem	15:10
Bmw1000c	:( do you have the same problem?	15:10
yofel	cause I can't reproduce it here	15:10
gnomefreak	recover system is not enough info to help you	15:11
yofel	no, but when using fullscreen firefox or vlc I sometimes saw the desktop background with that option enabled	15:11
oldude67	ok new update for the xorg-intel update did not help with the intel video issues...arrrg..oh well thats the way the cookie crumbles i guess...:(	15:11
Bmw1000c	oh, i see	15:12
oldude67	anyway can i add my cdrom to fstab to get k3b or brasero to see it or will that not help?	15:12
gnomefreak	oldude67: it depedns on the issues not just will it fix the issues	15:12
oldude67	gnomefreak, for which problem are you referring too?	15:13
gnomefreak	oldude67: not sure you were the one referring to a problem	15:13
* gnomefreak has no intel or problem		15:13
Bmw1000c	ehe	15:13
gnomefreak	well bzr issues but thats not a package problem	15:13
gnomefreak	ha it worked	15:13
oldude67	gnomefreak, well my intel 915 isnt playing well with the -3 kernel	15:14
oldude67	and k3b and brasero isnt seeing my cd or dvd burners..so	15:14
BluesKaj	oldude67, nautilus doesn't see the cdrom with media cd or dvd in it ?	15:15
gnomefreak	oldude67: they are not related	15:15
oldude67	gnomefreak, i know that...im not that blond	15:15
oldude67	BluesKaj, let me check i know sysinfo sees them	15:16
gnomefreak	as i recall there are a few (not sure how many) bugs on intel drivers. i didnt look at changelog from karmic-changes list so i dont know what fixes were done	15:18
oldude67	BluesKaj, has an error with it saying it is write protected	15:23
oldude67	http://pastebin.com/mcc6a59f	15:25
BluesKaj	oldude67, the media has an error because it prolly is write protected ..if you placed a commercially produced cd or dvd in the drive	15:25
oldude67	BluesKaj, it has a blank cd in it	15:26
BluesKaj	ok, does youfstab have a /dev/ sr0 listed ? it's prolly at the bottom	15:27
BluesKaj	oldude67, something like this : dev/sr0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0 0	15:29
Sarvatt	oldude67: if you have a flickering problem that needs a kernel upgrade and there probably wont be a kernel upgrade for about a week because of alpha 3 getting released (plus the fixes arent in linus' tree yet so they might not even make it to rc4).. what you can do for now is just add i915.modeset=0 to grub after the quiet splash part	15:30
Sarvatt	anyone having problems with gpg and ssh agents just dying an hour or so after boot?	15:30
gnomefreak	that would help if there was a grub2 menu.lst :)	15:32
Sarvatt	its called /etc/default/grub	15:32
Sarvatt	then sudo update-grub2	15:32
gnomefreak	i havent gone playing in it yet	15:32
gnomefreak	Sarvatt: ah	15:32
yofel	!grub2 \| gnomefreak	15:33
ubottu	gnomefreak: GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager in Karmic. For more information on GRUB2 please refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2	15:33
Sarvatt	GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="whatever whatever2 whatever3" ya add it in there	15:33
yofel	:P	15:33
gnomefreak	yofel: ;)	15:33
oldude67	/dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0 0	15:33
oldude67	/dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto rw,user,noauto,exec,utf8 0 0	15:33
gnomefreak	i didnt say i read it i just added it	15:33
* gnomefreak been extreamly busy so far maybe it will calm down by lunch so i can get out of house		15:34
* gnomefreak gone for a while. my ;ag is going to be real bad in a minute		15:34
EagleScreen	Grub2 does not put in the menu list other OS than Linux in karmic for me	15:34
yofel	EagleScreen: see the wiki page section dual-booting	15:35
Sarvatt	shouldnt add that unless ya need it, i think oldude67 had a problem with flickering thats related the fifo watermarking code used in KMS starting in 2.6.31-rc3 (alot of people are having that problem)	15:35
EagleScreen	I only have got Karmic and Vista, no way to show Vista in Grub2 menu	15:35
yofel	!grub2 > EagleScreen	15:35
ubottu	EagleScreen, please see my private message	15:35
gnomefreak	EagleScreen: the wiki above will tell you how	15:35
* gnomefreak still not here		15:35
EagleScreen	yes, reading	15:35
oldude67	Sarvatt, yes i was told that but there was an update this morning for the xorg intel video i thought maybe it would of helped i was just stating that i checked and it didnt	15:36
Sarvatt	ah, its not something the xorg driver can fix unfortunately, when you use KMS like all of the kernels do by default since 2.6.30-10 alot of the things are handled in the kernel instead of the driver, but if you add i915.modeset=1 to grub you go back to using the driver controlled stuff	15:37
oldude67	for now i can boot up into the -2 kerenel which isnt to bad other then i still would like to be able to burn cds	15:37
EagleScreen	due this issue i am using GRUB legacy for now, i am going to test this workaround now, thanks	15:37
Sarvatt	do you have os-proper installed EagleScreen?	15:40
Sarvatt	prober	15:40
BluesKaj	EagleScreen, look in /boot/grub/grub.cfg	15:40
Sarvatt	/etc/grub.d/30_os-prober	15:41
Sarvatt	that exist?	15:41
EagleScreen	I mean that Windows Vista does not appear when I put it in grub.cfg	15:41
BluesKaj	EagleScreen, psatebin your grub.cfg	15:42
EagleScreen	wait a moment, installing grub2 again	15:43
Sarvatt	you dont manually edit grub.cfg anymore	15:46
oldude67	i did notice that fstab it only says one thing about the cdrom and i have a cd and a dvd burner shouldnt there be two of them lines in there?	15:46
EagleScreen	i never edit grub.cfg I did it with /etc/grub.d scripts	15:47
Sarvatt	when you run sudo update-grub2 after installing grub2 can you upload your /etc/boot/grub.conf to pastebin to see whats happening?	15:47
EagleScreen	wait i just have installed grub2 after using grub-legacy for a few days, i will reboot now to see the results	15:48
EagleScreen	see you in a moment	15:49
Sarvatt	oh did you sudo update-grub-from-legacy or whatever?	15:49
BluesKaj	Sarvatt, my /etc/boot/grub.conf is empty , but I'm running grub2 , hence my /boot/grub/grub.cfg suggestion	15:50
Sarvatt	oops did I say .conf? i meant .cfg	15:50
Sarvatt	sorry	15:51
EagleScreen	hi again	15:52
EagleScreen	afer installing again grub2, menu is correct, the possible change is that now i have installed libdebian-installer4	15:52
Sarvatt	EagleScreen: did you run sudo update-grub-from-legacy to upgrade to grub2? or did you pick dont chainload when you reinstalled it?	15:52
EagleScreen	I didnt have that package installed	15:52
Sarvatt	ah	15:52
Sarvatt	did the grub screen look different this time than last time?	15:53
EagleScreen	yes, i run upgrade-grub-from-legacy, now GRUB2 1.96 menu is displayed	15:53
EagleScreen	Vista and Extra kernel are showed, all right	15:54
BluesKaj	Sarvatt, /etc/boot/grub.cfg	15:54
EagleScreen	but i will test this week a clean installation of Alpha 3	15:54
BluesKaj	Sarvatt, /etc/boot/grub.cfg is also empty	15:55
Sarvatt	sounds like yer still using grib1 BluesKaj	15:57
Sarvatt	grub1 rather	15:57
BluesKaj	nope	15:57
Sarvatt	oh darnit..	15:57
Sarvatt	/boot/grub/menu.cfg	15:58
* Sarvatt needs coffee		15:58
Sarvatt	ACK	15:58
Sarvatt	/boot/grub/grub.cfg!	15:58
Sarvatt	LOL	15:58
oldude67	would updating grub help me with my cdrom issue?	15:58
oldude67	or is that for partitions?	15:59
EagleScreen	I used to recover grub-legacy by the command "grub-install --root-directory=/root/for/grub '(hd0)'", is this valid for grub2??	15:59
oldude67	thought it would be for them too?	15:59
Sarvatt	sudo grub-install /dev/whatever	16:00
Sarvatt	(is how I recover it, not sure if you dont have an existing grub.cfg in /boot/grub/)	16:00
EagleScreen	ok, thanks	16:02
Sarvatt	like, boot a livecd, mkdir /tmp/disk && mount /dev/sda1 /tmp/disk && sudo chroot /tmp/disk and then sudo grub-install /dev/sda1 in there	16:02
Sarvatt	oldude67: pastebin the output of ls -l /dev \|grep -i cdrom ?	16:08
Sarvatt	or devkit-disks --show-info /dev/sr0	16:16
oldude67	http://pastebin.com/d3b944dc1	16:17
oldude67	and the other command got this in post	16:19
oldude67	http://pastebin.com/d4179f17c	16:19
Sarvatt	so if you click it in nautilus it gives that error in dmesg?	16:22
oldude67	yes	16:22
oldude67	oh wait no it gives me a error about being write protected	16:22
oldude67	hold on ill do a dmesg \| tail and tell you	16:22
Sarvatt	yea thats the error i saw earlier	16:24
BluesKaj	oldude67, sudo update grub2, after installing . Otherwise the legacy grub is still enabled	16:24
BluesKaj	err sudo update-grub2	16:25
oldude67	sudo update-grub2 command not found	16:26
Sarvatt	have to sudo upgrade-grub-from-legacy first	16:28
BluesKaj	ok if sudo update-grub works then grub isn't installed	16:28
BluesKaj	grub2 isn't installed	16:28
BluesKaj	damn KB is getting old like me :)	16:28
oldude67	says its not found either	16:29
oldude67	and the dmesg \| grep is http://pastebin.com/d12685e91	16:30
oldude67	oops tail	16:30
oldude67	what am i missing on this grub update...ugh i know its me..lol	16:31
oldude67	have a feeling im going to use this computer as a test box only and build another one to use as my normal box	16:32
BluesKaj	oldude67, I'm curious , what does grub -l output ?	16:34
BluesKaj	or apt-cache policy grub	16:37
oldude67	grub: invalid option -- 'l'	16:37
oldude67	Try ``grub --help'' for more information.	16:37
oldude67	Installed: 0.97-29ubuntu56	16:38
oldude67	Candidate: 0.97-29ubuntu56	16:38
oldude67	Version table:	16:38
oldude67	*** 0.97-29ubuntu56 0	16:38
oldude67	500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/main Packages	16:38
oldude67	100 /var/lib/dpkg/status	16:38
Sarvatt	yep yer using grub1 then	16:38
oldude67	oops sorry for spamming	16:38
oldude67	didnt think it was that big	16:38
Sarvatt	sudo apt-get install grub-pc grub2 os-prober	16:39
oldude67	installing	16:39
oldude67	should i let it chain load?	16:40
Sarvatt	chain load never worked right for me	16:40
oldude67	ok	16:41
Sarvatt	ya could try it and see if it works then upgrade-grub-from-legacy to upgrade it later	16:41
oldude67	oops to late i told it not to..lol	16:41
oldude67	ok it set up grub2	16:42
oldude67	brb more coffee...lol...	16:42
Sarvatt	good idea :)	16:42
DanaG	grub2 wouldn't chainload, for me.	16:44
DanaG	I tried boot.img and core.img; neither worked.	16:44
oldude67	ok im back	16:44
BluesKaj	oldude67, sudo update-grub2 should generate grub.cfg , then find your linux images followed by the windows chainloader	16:45
DanaG	oh, and grub-efi is missing the gfxterm and vbe modules.	16:45
Sarvatt	because you need an efi framebuffer device to do those things, vesa doesnt exist in efi except through emulation and you can just use grub-pc if the emulation works	16:47
oldude67	so what am i looking for now?	16:48
DanaG	Well, the thing was, I tried a different grub.efi from the forums, and the gfxterm worked there.	16:50
DanaG	Oh, and something I really need to file a bug on, after all: UEFI booting recently broke -- system won't acknowledge the initramfs.	16:50
oldude67	and i do have a grub.cfg	16:50
DanaG	https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/foo2zjs/+bug/398958 -- hah, I was wndering what the heck that was.	16:50
ubottu	Ubuntu bug 398958 in foo2zjs "Very poorly named menu item "HPLJ 10xx Replaced Paper"" [Undecided,Fix released]	16:50
oldude67	guess i should of said that..lol	16:51
BluesKaj	oldude67, did sudo update-grub2 show it finding the linux images while generating the grub2 menu ?	16:51
oldude67	BluesKaj, yes	16:51
BluesKaj	cool , then check the /boot/grub/grub.cfg	16:53
oldude67	i did and asked what i was suppose to be looking for..lol	16:53
BluesKaj	use a text editor	16:54
oldude67	yeah but dont know what im suppose to be looking for or that it made one?	16:54
oldude67	and it did make one	16:54
BluesKaj	it will show the menu	16:55
oldude67	yes it does	16:56
BluesKaj	then yer done	16:56
oldude67	k	16:56
BluesKaj	reboot if you wish	16:56
oldude67	sorry not to good with grub..use to using lilo more	16:56
MartinoT	Hi, your have encountered problems with the last update?	16:56
oldude67	well if it would help me get the cdroms working then great i will...but wait let me edit the menu.lst first so that i can put in the i915 settings first	16:56
yofel	MartinoT: what are yours?	16:57
MartinoT	I have a problem with the sidebars "blocked"	16:57
MartinoT	and always in the sidebar are missing all the icons and the functions are there in the top right (clock, audio volume etc. ..)	16:58
BluesKaj	oldude67, good luck with that , intel is a tough road these days	16:59
MartinoT	are the only?	17:00
oldude67	Sarvatt, do i just add i915.modeset=0 to that line?	17:00
yofel	MartinoT: if you have x64 and libgtk2.0-0 version 2.17.5-ubuntu1 then update and restart	17:00
oldude67	ok cross your fingers lol...reboot coming..lmao	17:01
Sarvatt	in /etc/default/grub oldude67	17:01
oldude67	Sarvatt, yes	17:01
Sarvatt	the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="whatever" part ya add it to the end, then run sudo upgrade-grub2 after	17:02
MartinoT	not X64 :S	17:02
yofel	MartinoT: what's your architecture then? (uname -m)	17:03
MartinoT	32	17:04
oldude67	Sarvatt, in the quotes or after them?	17:04
Sarvatt	inside the quotes	17:04
Sarvatt	should say like "quiet splash" or whatever so make it "quiet splash i915.modeset=0"	17:04
oldude67	Sarvatt, ok then upgrade grub2 again	17:05
ripps	yay! gdm autologin works again. Now I just need to figure out why my wacom won't start at boot	17:05
Sarvatt	woohoo does it ripps?!	17:05
yofel	MartinoT: not sure then, can you give us a screenshot?	17:06
oldude67	Sarvatt, now its telling me sudo upgrade-grub2 command not found...ugh...just my luck	17:07
ripps	Still need a config app for gdm though	17:07
MartinoT	Unfortunately, the SO is blocked as well as sidebars blocks everything. But a screenshot of what?	17:07
yofel	MartinoT: I don't really understand what you mean with 'blocks everything'	17:08
oldude67	ugh its update not upgrade oldude dumb s___ ...lol got it..lmao	17:08
oldude67	ok bbia sec...rebooting to see if it worked.lol	17:09
MartinoT	It's only unlocked the desk (I can create folders, open programs (which then do not open), etc ... everything else is blocked	17:10
yofel	MartinoT: no idea then, sry	17:12
ripps	Hmmm.... things seem to be bit faster today. But my gnome-panel keeps crashing and restarting	17:13
MartinoT	I did reboot after the update and I was born this problem	17:14
oldude67	well video change didnt help the -3 kernel so thats a no biggie right now...	17:16
jithine	hi guys. any using firefox 3.5.1 and facing freezes	17:16
jithine	right after 3.5 was upgraded to 3.5.1 I am having a lot of freezes with firefox	17:16
oldude67	and k3b and brasero still dont see the cd or dvd burners either ...ugh oh well time to build a new system and just use this one for test till i get it figured out.	17:17
BluesKaj	oldude67, very strange about your cdrom tho ..puzzling	17:22
BluesKaj	jithine, I encuntered the same probs with FF3 series , it's become slow and bloated on linux , even without many plugins abd extensions	17:33
BluesKaj	abd=and	17:33
jithine	but i had no probs with 3.5.0 problems started after the upgrade to 3.5.1	17:33
jithine	guess they rushed the update with out proper testing	17:34
BluesKaj	well, I'm not using FF anymore and I used to be a big fan	17:35
Le-Chuck_ITA	Hi all	17:36
Le-Chuck_ITA	gnome-volume-control-applet risked to burn my laptop yesterday	17:36
Le-Chuck_ITA	is yours taking 30% of cup?	17:36
Le-Chuck_ITA	cpu?	17:36
Le-Chuck_ITA	I see zero activity so I can assume everyone's laptop has burned! :)	17:39
Tekno	yep	17:39
MartinoT	yofel: The problem you said for package libgtk2.0-0 version 2.17.5-ubuntu1 what it is? has been updated to x64, and x32?	17:40
yofel	MartinoT: was bug 401938	17:43
ubottu	Launchpad bug 401938 in gtk+2.0 "gtk 2.17.5 has no png loader built on amd64 which breaks icons" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/401938	17:43
MartinoT	amd64 :S	17:43
Le-Chuck_ITA	https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-media/+bug/400820	17:45
ubottu	Ubuntu bug 400820 in gnome-media "gnome-volume-control-applet takes up to 40% cpu" [Low,Confirmed]	17:45
MartinoT	my i686 :S	17:45
Le-Chuck_ITA	priority low is just completely crazy	17:46
Le-Chuck_ITA	I risked to break my laptop for that	17:46
Le-Chuck_ITA	and certainly it deadlocked.	17:46
Le-Chuck_ITA	What's the right channel to talk about a bug in the desktop?	17:46
yofel	Le-Chuck_ITA: try #ubuntu-desktop	17:47
Le-Chuck_ITA	let me see if I convince anyone to break the low-priority barrier :)	17:48
ripps	Argh! They stil haven't fixed the nautilus video disk thrashing	17:54
aboSamoor	I am booting from usb stick, can I install grub2 on the system ?	17:57
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ppawel	what is the recommended way to always have up to date ubuntu? is "aptitude dist-upgrade" enough?	19:27
ppawel	or do I have to use update-manager?	19:27
ppawel	of course my definition of up to date includes development versions like karmic koala	19:27
Pici	If you're already running Karmic then dist-upgrade is fine.	19:28
ppawel	I guess my question is this:	19:28
ppawel	does update-manager do some magic that aptitude can't do when upgrading from version to version?	19:28
ppawel	I mean ubuntu version to ubuntu+1	19:29
ubuntudad	is the grub update going to be included in installs that are not done from scratch?	19:29
Pici	ubuntudad: nope.	19:29
ubuntudad	Pici: are there improvements that i am going to be missing out on?	19:29
Pici	ubuntudad: I don't know of any. But don't quote me on that.	19:30
ubuntudad	Pici: thanks, i had read a little about it but it did not seems like something that would be done in a normal upgrade	19:30
Pici	ubuntudad: Right. There is a script that you can run if you want to upgrade to grub2, but its beyond the scope of the normal upgrade procedure.	19:31
pace_t_zulu	lost my mouse in karmic... native install on a macbook	19:43
DanaG	yargh: www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/gparted_details.htm	20:26
DanaG	can't resize a fat16 partition on a CF card.	20:27
Le-Chuck_ITA	this whole pulseaudio thing has so many bugs that I can't report them all	21:02
ripps	Any idea if and when evolution indicator is going to be fixed	21:09
DanaG	ugh, stupid gnome disk-usage thingy.	21:11
DanaG	It builds up multiple of the same message at the same time.	21:11
alteregoa	high	21:14
alteregoa	the module acer-acpi disappeared in 31-3	21:14
alteregoa	ok works had to compile acerhk again, whatever	21:27
Sarvatt	its called acer-wmi altergoa	21:32
Sarvatt	has been for over a year, acer-acpi was an outside module that was deprecated when acer-wmi made it into the kernel	21:33
Sarvatt	acerhk is an even older version of it before acer-acpi	21:34
dupondje	any id's when fast-user-switch-applet comes back ? :(	21:34
ripps	dupondje: when some figures out how to make it work with the new gdm	21:43
ripps	The new notify-osd is nice and renders very well, but the font and images it displays are a bit on the small side	21:44
* gnomefreak not here but FUSA is now part of GDM		21:44
SKB1	any well known sound system issues in karmic?	21:46
bmunger	What is the procedure for turning on KMS for radeon cards using open source driver?	21:46
gnomefreak	SKB1: i have them but i didnt get around to asking about them. mute at boot unmute still no sound	21:46
gnomefreak	ok gone for now tbird is about to put alot of load on here	21:47
SKB1	oss is always busy or something here :\|	21:47
dupondje	SKB1: some issues yes	21:52
dupondje	sometimes no sound @ boot etc	21:52
dupondje	but there are many volume mixers now	21:53
dupondje	for each app etc	21:53
DanaG	Where do you set which slider the volume keys control?	21:55
DanaG	The old place to do that... is gone.	21:55
aboSamoor	I am running a daily build of karmic I don't have sound	21:58
aboSamoor	can you help me to see if it is hardware or that I don't have codecs for media files ?	21:59
DanaG	Handy tool: speaker-test	21:59
aboSamoor	DanaG: weird, i tested the CD and the sound was working !	22:00
aboSamoor	DanaG: it seems a hardware problem	22:00
DanaG	Also check if it's a pulseaudio issue.	22:01
DanaG	do 'pactl list' -- but don't output here, it'll be long.	22:01
DanaG	Hopefully you should at least see your sound card.	22:01
aboSamoor	DanaG: i killed pulseaudio and it works	22:04
DanaG	Well, that's not really a solution, though.	22:05
DanaG	PA autospawns by default.	22:05
DanaG	Better to fix PulseAudio.	22:05
aboSamoor	I have two volume controls ! which means there is conflicting somewhere	22:05
DanaG	https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/398959	22:05
DanaG	awesome.	22:05
ubottu	Ubuntu bug 398959 in launchpad "Timeout error (dup-of: 271268)" [Undecided,New]	22:06
ubottu	Ubuntu bug 271268 in rosetta "Timeout error.Launchpad 2.1.8 (r6976)" [Medium,Triaged]	22:06
DanaG	I especially love how the error page... IS THAT BUG report!	22:06
DanaG	oh wait, rather, somebody just linked to the wrong bug.	22:07
DanaG	Anyone know what would make libparted error out like this?	22:08
DanaG	http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/gparted_details.htm	22:08
J-_	Are there ISOs out yet?	22:25
EagleScreen	needed hep with kernel-package	22:25
J-_	Yep there is	22:26
Mohero	Hi all	22:27
Mohero	is there a known issue with the nvidia driver?	22:27
aboSamoor	the autocomplete functionality that is called by tab in the terminal is not working in folders other than the home, any idea ? specific names so i can search for related bug ?	22:27
EagleScreen	kernel-package stop package building by a permissions trouble (error 2)	22:27
EagleScreen	see tha putput: http://pastebin.ca/1502463	22:28
BUGabundo_	hey guys	22:32
BUGabundo_	my system is totaly broken	22:32
BUGabundo_	cant login, GDM will jam	22:32
BUGabundo_	startx just gives a many bouncy windows	22:33
BUGabundo_	now running from liveusb	22:33
BUGabundo_	chroot into my system and update it	22:33
BUGabundo_	but not sure its fixed	22:33
BUGabundo_	afraid to reboot	22:33
Mohero	BUGabundo_: can you pastbin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf	22:33
BUGabundo_	from this # logs i'm not seeing anyone else complainging	22:33
BUGabundo_	hye Mohero. u new here?	22:33
BUGabundo_	sure i can	22:33
BUGabundo_	let me chroot again and pastebinit	22:34
Mohero	BUGabundo_: i'm in & out	22:34
Mohero	i'm normally only in here when I run the +1 :)	22:34
BUGabundo_	root@ubuntu:/# pastebinit /etc/X11/xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/fbf09724	22:34
Mohero	thought as much...	22:34
BUGabundo_	i'm one of the more usual kinda guys here	22:35
Mohero	I hit the same thing on my laptop today	22:35
BUGabundo_	the one to file yesterday breakage on gtk :(	22:35
Mohero	the nvidia driver seems broken...	22:35
BUGabundo_	not sure if thats the cause of this	22:35
Mohero	I'm working out why, but it won't be tonight that I get an answer	22:35
BUGabundo_	i did dpkg-reconfigure X	22:35
BUGabundo_	without sucess	22:35
BUGabundo_	hey DanaG	22:35
Mohero	I removed my xorg.conf and it game up in nv	22:36
BUGabundo_	where is the rest of the gang??	22:36
yofel	listening ;)	22:36
BUGabundo_	yofel kklimonda Sarvatt	22:36
BUGabundo_	ahh there u are :)	22:36
BUGabundo_	Twigathy cwillu_clone	22:36
BUGabundo_	humm cwillu away on travel again !? lol	22:36
Mohero	BUGabundo_: give removing your xorg.conf a go	22:37
BUGabundo_	darn freenode java	22:37
BUGabundo_	cant see the user list :(	22:37
* cwillu_clone pokes BUGabundo_		22:37
BUGabundo_	Mohero will do	22:37
cwillu_clone	just at work	22:37
BUGabundo_	ohhhhh cwillu_clone IS HERE	22:37
cwillu_clone	tomorrow I'm away on travel :p	22:37
Mohero	remember, you can CTRL+ALT+F[1-6] to get a shell then restart gdm from there	22:37
* BUGabundo_ grins at cwillu_clone poke stik		22:37
cwillu_clone	BUGabundo_, I've kept coming home to my xchat with 6 blue tabs, but the relevant messages went off the top of the scrollback hours before :p	22:37
BUGabundo_	Mohero ah?? gdm ?	22:37
Sarvatt	whats /var/log/Xorg.0.log or dmesg say BUGabundo?	22:38
BUGabundo_	ill start on recovery mode	22:38
BUGabundo_	and kill it there	22:38
BUGabundo_	Sarvatt let me pastebit it	22:38
BUGabundo_	root@ubuntu:/# pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/f5f2fb87b	22:38
BUGabundo_	Sarvatt ^^^^^^	22:38
Mohero	BUGabundo_: loging on TTY2 CTRL+ALT+F2 if X doesn't start, then remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf (or copy it elsewhere) then run "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart"	22:39
BUGabundo_	Mohero yeah i know	22:39
Mohero	is what I did to get X up.	22:39
BUGabundo_	done	22:40
BUGabundo_	need to reboot into my system now	22:40
BUGabundo_	just need to be realy sure	22:40
BUGabundo_	since liveusb requires me to download and install java to come back here	22:40
BUGabundo_	ehehh	22:40
* BUGabundo_ do'h could have used empathy		22:40
BUGabundo_	so no more breakge?	22:41
BUGabundo_	is it safe?	22:41
BUGabundo_	Sarvatt anyting there?	22:41
Mohero	BUGabundo_: why do you need to install java to get here?	22:41
Mohero	it has pidgin	22:41
Mohero	or you could use irssi :p	22:41
Twigathy	BUGabundo_: I expect that'll break my dual screen setup... has magic nvidia hax inside... will try when back in linux =)	22:41
BUGabundo_	oh and i'm getting a trace on shutdown and on gdm stop	22:42
BUGabundo_	i'll need to file that once i get my system up	22:42
BUGabundo_	Sarvatt syslog.1 has more info on GDM breakge	22:44
BUGabundo_	pastebining now	22:44
BUGabundo_	Sarvatt http://pastebin.com/f67eecb58	22:44
BUGabundo_	from the looks of it its a race condition	22:46
BUGabundo_	yofel do u see that on your logs too?	22:46
yofel	BUGabundo_: did gdm break with the newest update?	22:47
yofel	I've still got one pending here	22:47
BUGabundo_	root@ubuntu:/# pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old http://pastebin.com/f7809601d	22:48
BUGabundo_	yofel define : break	22:48
BUGabundo_	if u mean i cant login then Yes	22:48
yofel	BUGabundo_: I haven't rebooted since yesterday, I'll try it in a moment	22:48
BUGabundo_	eheh	22:49
BUGabundo_	better not	22:49
BUGabundo_	let me reboot 1st	22:49
BUGabundo_	if i dont come back, then its bad	22:49
akio	I was wondering if someone could post a good vncviewer alias for vnc over internet connections	22:49
BUGabundo_	akio are u running karmic?	22:50
akio	on the machine I am connecting to, yes	22:50
BUGabundo_	ok then	22:50
BUGabundo_	eheh	22:50
akio	actually karmic UNR	22:50
BUGabundo_	oohhh	22:50
BUGabundo_	great	22:50
BUGabundo_	we need ppl testing that	22:51
BUGabundo_	Sarvatt anything?	22:51
akio	it runs awesome	22:51
BUGabundo_	i'll reboot now, then	22:51
akio	just the power management is a little buggy	22:51
BUGabundo_	guys cross your fingers	22:51
BUGabundo_	i'm diving in NOW	22:51
BUGabundo_	brb (i hope)	22:51
akio	it must be bad for him to worry baout something	22:51
akio	it that the real BUGabundo?	22:52
Bmw1000c	yes	22:53
yofel	akio: his X segfaults	22:53
yofel	BUGabundo: wb	22:57
BUGabundo	PING	22:57
BUGabundo	I'm ALIVE	22:57
BUGabundo	now I need to reinstall my nvdia	22:57
BUGabundo	darn	22:57
BUGabundo	no composite :((	22:57
BUGabundo	no gnome do glacy	22:57
BUGabundo	so guys with NVidia	22:58
BUGabundo	be ready for trouble on reboot	22:58
BUGabundo	btw. guud evening everyone	22:59
BUGabundo	:p	22:59
BUGabundo	yofel: mind rebootning now?	23:02
BUGabundo	to see if it is general nvidia bug?	23:03
Sarvatt	ya still dont even know what the problem was though, ya screwed up the nvidia install messing with xorg.conf probably :D	23:03
Sarvatt	i just rebooted mine fine after you said you had problems, x64 karmic with a 8400M GS and 185.18.14	23:03
BUGabundo	Sarvatt: I never touch xorg.conf	23:04
BUGabundo	and this is a 4 day clean system	23:04
BUGabundo	Sarvatt: I did got hit by yesteday broken gtk	23:05
BUGabundo	maybe that mess something on nvidia	23:05
Sarvatt	you just said you did a dpkg-reconfigure	23:05
yofel	well, brb (I hope)	23:06
BUGabundo	Sarvatt: I did	23:06
BUGabundo	and it did not print anything	23:06
BUGabundo	didn't even make a backup	23:06
BUGabundo	I miss the old option on the recovery console menu	23:06
BUGabundo	Sarvatt: is it coming back?	23:06
alteregoa	it smells like it works	23:06
alteregoa	the system starts much faster compared to hardon herold	23:07
BUGabundo	alteregoa: karmic is FAST	23:07
BUGabundo	I boot in 19 secs	23:07
BUGabundo	alteregoa: and Bmw1000c brags ha can do 10 sec	23:08
alteregoa	maybe some stuff has being recompiled against gcc 4.4 or something	23:08
aboSamoor	grub is 1.96 and not 2 !	23:08
alteregoa	lagrofox works faster	23:09
alteregoa	gorg, yeah and fraggles is still version 1	23:09
Bmw1000c	woot	23:09
Bmw1000c	yes i do, 10 secs boot, at least with the fresh install	23:09
alteregoa	this gui grub need more resources to restart	23:09
Bmw1000c	now i have a couple more services starting with the system, i think my boot time as increased a bit	23:10
Bmw1000c	let me check	23:10
yofel	BUGabundo: nvidia works fine here	23:10
BUGabundo	:(((	23:10
BUGabundo	random bug then	23:10
alteregoa	and grub 3 is 3D with random 3D screens for your OS	23:10
BUGabundo	will re-enable nvidia and check on next boot, aka tomorrwo	23:10
alteregoa	im still amazed how fast osx starts	23:11
Bmw1000c	ATM i'm with 15 secs boot :(	23:12
yofel	the only funny thing here is gnome-do: login -> gnome-do uses 190% cpu -> kill it -> start it -> it crashes -> start it again -> works	23:13
akio	what kind of hard drives though?	23:13
Bmw1000c	250gb HDD single plate	23:13
akio	sata level?	23:13
yofel	Bmw1000c: rmp?	23:13
yofel	*rpm	23:13
Bmw1000c	7200	23:13
Bmw1000c	or wtv	23:13
Bmw1000c	akio sata 2 i guess	23:14
akio	but the target system was a spinning disk I believe	23:14
akio	if I could get resume working it wouldn't matter	23:15
Bmw1000c	eheh	23:15
BUGabundo	Bmw1000c: LOLOOL mine now does 15	23:15
BUGabundo	ahahaaahah	23:15
Bmw1000c	woot :(	23:15
BUGabundo	I'm catching you	23:15
Bmw1000c	no wai man lol	23:16
Bmw1000c	i need a fresh install asap	23:16
BUGabundo	again?	23:17
Bmw1000c	yeah you can't win me	23:17
akio	UNR is fast as nuts	23:17
akio	I haven't clocked it though	23:17
BUGabundo	akio: install boot chart	23:18
BUGabundo	akio: sudo apt-get install bootchart-java OR pybootchart	23:18
BUGabundo	as you like your venon	23:18
BUGabundo	then look and upload /var/log/bootchart/	23:18
akio	upload to where?	23:18
Bmw1000c	!paste	23:19
ubottu	pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com \| To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin \| !pastebinit to paste directly from command line \| Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic	23:19
akio	I'm am about to re-install, would be a good benchmark	23:19
Bmw1000c	http://tinyurl.com/imagebin	23:19
akio	http://imagebin.org/56702	23:22
alteregoa	hi	23:22
alteregoa	where can i locate sudoers file?	23:22
akio	I loaded it down, so that is pretty slow, but it reflects normal usage.	23:23
yofel	alteregoa: /etc/sudoers - see man sudoers	23:23
akio	Bmw1000c, get that paste?	23:23
Bmw1000c	yes i did	23:23
alteregoa	is not in the sudoers file	23:23
Bmw1000c	what netbook do you have akio	23:24
akio	good or bad?	23:24
akio	MSI Wind U100	23:24
Bmw1000c	i need to test it on my eee 1000h	23:24
BUGabundo	Bmw1000c: I'm uploading my latest boot	23:24
BUGabundo	ahaah watch and cry	23:24
Bmw1000c	:( aw	23:24
yofel	alteregoa: what/who is not in the sudoers file? when do you get that message?	23:24
alteregoa	on console	23:25
alteregoa	i tried to sudo su in console	23:25
Bmw1000c	here's mine https://files.getdropbox.com/u/1416038/bmw-desktop-karmic-20090721-3.png	23:25
Pici	Don't use sudo su.	23:25
Pici	use sudo -i	23:25
akio	holy crap	23:26
alteregoa	the same	23:26
yofel	alteregoa: type 'groups' and check if admin is there	23:26
alteregoa	i think i have to start from the cd	23:26
alteregoa	i see only my own	23:26
Twigathy	Bmw1000c: crikey, that's quick!	23:26
akio	Bmw1000c, are you optimizing after install?	23:26
yofel	ok... bad	23:26
alteregoa	admin is not there	23:26
Twigathy	Mine is 20 seconds: http://twigathy.com/corona-karmic-20090719-1.png [zero disk activity win :D]	23:27
Bmw1000c	Twigathy with fresh install i had 10 secs	23:27
Bmw1000c	akio a bit	23:27
Bmw1000c	woo disk 18mb/s??	23:27
Twigathy	lol	23:27
Twigathy	CompactFlash card	23:27
akio	That's it, I'm declaring war - with a fresh install of UNR!	23:27
Bmw1000c	wait akio	23:27
yofel	alteregoa: what does your /etc/group file look like?	23:27
Bmw1000c	before that	23:27
yofel	!paste \| alteregoa	23:28
ubottu	alteregoa: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com \| To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin \| !pastebinit to paste directly from command line \| Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic	23:28
Bmw1000c	akio http://www.techfuels.com/linux-free-bsd/5559-grub-profile.html	23:28
Bmw1000c	To profile Grub, click on the 'Esc' key while booting. Then, click 'e' over the first entry. Next, click 'e' again over the second line to edit it. At the end of this line, include the word 'profile' after a space and hit the 'Enter' key.	23:28
Bmw1000c	Hit 'b' to continue with the boot process. It will take significantly longer to complete the boot process the first time. Profiling will have to be done every time the kernel is updated.	23:28
Twigathy	oh man, what on earth changed the firefox search such that it's now a "google custom search" and none of the stuff like images/videos are on the top >_<	23:28
akio	Bmw1000c, wow, thanks.	23:28
BUGabundo	Bmw1000c: not using my hacked version of bootchart? :(((	23:28
akio	Didn't know about that one.	23:29
Bmw1000c	Twigathy go to addons and uninstall the multi search addon (or something like that)	23:29
Bmw1000c	akio yeah BUGabundo told me that :P	23:29
Twigathy	ahha	23:29
Twigathy	cool :)	23:29
BUGabundo	Bmw1000c: that's OLD	23:29
Bmw1000c	BUGabundo nah	23:29
BUGabundo	now we have grub2	23:29
BUGabundo	its not the same steps	23:29
alteregoa	http://paste.ubuntu.com/223923/	23:29
Bmw1000c	oh well it's almost the same	23:29
BUGabundo	nope	23:29
BUGabundo	no 'e', no 'b'	23:30
akio	I can figure it out. I have grubPC	23:30
akio	or 1.96	23:30
akio	the new one	23:30
Bmw1000c	BUGabundo but you DID NOT told me this "Profiling will have to be done every time the kernel is updated."	23:30
BUGabundo	grubpc is grub2	23:30
BUGabundo	Bmw1000c: it used to be true	23:30
BUGabundo	so much has changed :)	23:30
Bmw1000c	so i dont need to profile it again?	23:31
alteregoa	hmm i removed almost anything on user rights hmm	23:31
Bmw1000c	naah you are fooling me, so you can be faster than me, isn't it??	23:31
BUGabundo	Twigathy: EXIM???	23:32
yofel	alteregoa: check what partition your / is on with 'df', then boot into a live-disk and ping me again please	23:32
* BUGabundo slaps Twigathy around with an wet towel		23:32
Bmw1000c	Twigathy https://files.getdropbox.com/u/1416038/bmw-desktop-karmic-20090625-4.png	23:32
Bmw1000c	10 secs boot	23:32
BUGabundo	Bmw1000c: boot profiling is heavy	23:32
BUGabundo	should only be done WHEN required	23:33
Bmw1000c	akio check the link also.. i had a 20mb/s disk improvement with "profile"	23:33
Twigathy	BUGabundo: oh, yes... that got pulled in when mdadm installed >:(	23:33
BUGabundo	wront	23:33
BUGabundo	*wrong	23:33
* Twigathy goes to get rid of it - don't actually run raid here		23:33
BUGabundo	it should have used MTA	23:33
alteregoa	i replace the users file	23:33
BUGabundo	and on ubuntu MTA default is postfix	23:33
Twigathy	BUGabundo: well maybe I did something wrong then :o	23:33
BUGabundo	Twigathy: please file a bug on LP and uptream debian	23:33
yofel	alteregoa: why that?	23:34
BUGabundo	Twigathy: how can a compactflash with 18MiB/s boot in 20 secs?!?!?!	23:36
Twigathy	BUGabundo: NFS root >:)	23:36
Twigathy	So it only reads off stuff from /boot	23:36
BUGabundo	ahh	23:36
Twigathy	I'm pleased it is no slower than a hard disk though :)	23:36
Twigathy	(Boot process that is, not the CF. I know the CF sucks)	23:36
Twigathy	argh, I can't get rid of exim!	23:37
Twigathy	It is HIDING somewhere...	23:37
alteregoa	how can i add myself to sudoers file?	23:42
yofel	alteregoa: on the live-cd now?	23:42
alteregoa	yeah its starting....	23:42
yofel	you need to add yourself to the admin group	23:43
alteregoa	thats a weird thing, i used the users manager and removed any right	23:43
DanaG	I found that, last time I did a profiling, it made it SLOWER.	23:44
DanaG	It precached too much!	23:44
Bmw1000c	watching youtube HD with flash is very slow, does this happen to you too?	23:44
yofel	well, you also removed yourself from the admin group and lost sudo rights with that I guess	23:44
BUGabundo	DanaG: which is strange	23:44
BUGabundo	I would say file a bug, but then Colin will close it and say that a user should do profiling	23:44
BUGabundo	like he did on a bug where my readhaed took like 2 min	23:45
alteregoa	ok im logged in	23:51
cwillu_clone	BUGabundo, are you trying to refute theories with facts again?	23:52
alteregoa	the sudoers file, i hope i find that	23:52
BUGabundo	cwillu?	23:52
yofel	alteregoa: you don't need the sudoers file, you need to re-ad yourself to the admin group	23:52
cwillu_clone	alteregoa, if you're just not in the admin group, then you just need to run "addgroup alteregoa admin" from the recovery prompt	23:52
cwillu_clone	if you have to edit the sudoers file and you don't know exactly why, then you probably don't have to edit the sudoers file and editing it will just make your life truly miserable	23:53
cwillu_clone	BUGabundo, re: profiling :p	23:53
alteregoa	yofel: and how?	23:53
cwillu_clone	alteregoa, I just told you	23:53
alteregoa	ah recovery prompt	23:53
alteregoa	hmm i started from the cd now	23:53
cwillu_clone	you could do it from the cd too, but it's probably easier to just reboot into the recovery prompt :p	23:54
yofel	alteregoa: actually do what cwillu_clone told you, it's easier. I just forgot about it...	23:54
cwillu_clone	from the cd, you'd have to mount /dev/sda1 /mnt (assuming your root is on sda1), then chroot /mnt, and then addgroup..., and then exit, and then umount /mnt, and then reboot, and then... :p	23:55
BUGabundo	cwillu you know I'm slow! what's that again ?	23:56
alteregoa	ok	23:56
alteregoa	chroot makes /mnt to /	23:57
alteregoa	fascinating	23:57
BUGabundo	errr	23:57
BUGabundo	no	23:57

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