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LaibschIs there any kind of policy when how the following situation should be dealt with?  a required package A used to recommend package A-plugin in Jaunty.  A-plugin is dropped from Karmic and it may be that package A is now providing the functionality itself (not sure).  A-plugin in turn depends on A (= ${binary:Version}), IOW same version as itself.00:00
LaibschThis makes A-plugin uninstallable in Karmic.  A in Karmic does not Provides A-Plugin nor is there any other information to tell aptitude how to resolve the situation.  aptitude and thus the user is left guessing and there is the possibility to guess wrong.00:02
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LaibschI wonder if that constitutes a bug or not.  I think it does.00:05
micahgwhy would you want to install a-lugin?00:06
Laibschin Jaunty or Karmic?00:12
LaibschI will assume you mean in Karmic00:12
LaibschThe thing is that I don't install recommended packages by default00:12
LaibschI have installed A-plugin explicitly00:12
LaibschAnd in general, packages being uninstalled raise an extra flag making me wonder what will provide that functionality or if I don't need it anymore00:13
LaibschBut the more relevant issue here is that aptitude's resolve mechanism does not work reliably here when it's not being given extra information00:14
LaibschI am wondering if there is no requirement to help aptitude and the user when doing such an upgrade00:15
LaibschThat may not be the case which is why I'm here asking00:15
micahgLaibsch: if it did indeed take over for the plugin, then it should conflict with the plugin00:16
micahgyou should probably ask about the speicifc package in ubuntu-motu00:16
LaibschThat's the thing, I don't know if it did00:17
micahgok, check the changelof00:17
micahgor check launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pkgname00:17
micahgwhat apckage00:18
Laibschnothing in there00:19
Laibschupstart and upstart-logd00:20
LaibschBut this is really a more general question00:20
micahgnormally they conflict00:22
micahgbut youll want to ask Keybuk00:23
micahgyou can find him in here: #ubuntu-devel00:23
jander99The worst part about looking at old bugs is that there is really no good way to test them.00:43
bcurtiswxjander99: the best way to get rid of old bugs is look for duplicates00:43
micahg+100:45
BUGabundojander99: and have new triagers ask for more info on 2yo bugs :))00:46
BUGabundojust had that today and yesterday00:46
BUGabundoa bug from jan 200800:46
BUGabundoLOLOL00:46
micahgyeah, generally better off checking for dupes00:47
jander99checking for dupes now.  bug 24817.  no typo, only 5 numbers long.  And I have no idea when Gnome switched from offering nfs or smb shares to just smb shares.00:47
ubot4Launchpad bug 24817 in system-tools-backends "nfs-kernel-server 1:1.0.7-3ubuntu1 is buggy with gnome" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2481700:48
BUGabundoahahaha00:48
BUGabundolike bug 1?00:48
BUGabundoit messes my email view00:48
ubot4BUGabundo: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out00:48
BUGabundoit stays out of order 'cause of that00:48
micahgcheck for dup is probably the best option00:50
micahguser server appears to have been dropped after intrepid00:52
micahgkernerl server is still going00:52
bcurtiswx?00:52
micahgcheck the changelog of kernel server and/or system-tools-backends00:52
micahgnfs00:52
bcurtiswxah, ok00:53
jander99well also gnome doesnt give the ability to choose which method to share, it defaults to samba using the method the bug describes00:53
jander99also launchpad needs a nice dupe checker like Digg has :P00:53
micahgdigg is url based...00:53
micahgjander99: apport does dupe checking...00:54
jander99their dupe checker looks through content as well. and yes apport does when its an apport bug because all apport bugs are formatted in a standard way and its easy to check :-\   Guess I'm hoping for an easy button to run a manual check and at least give a list of likely dupes00:55
* BUGabundo /sbin/movearse sofa /dev/bed; ln -s eyeupperlid eyelowerlid00:55
micahgonly symbolic link BUGabundo?00:56
BUGabundoI'll have to rm it in a few hours00:56
BUGabundohard link would be a be choise :)00:56
bcurtiswxwhen he wakes up its a hard link and he needs to unbind them00:57
BUGabundoahah00:57
* Laibsch is looking for confirmation of bug 40200102:12
ubot4Launchpad bug 402001 in thunderbird "mouse position and cursor position don't always match in karmic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40200102:12
micahgLaibsch: it works in jaunty?02:18
LaibschI think it did02:18
LaibschI'm actually pretty sure it did02:18
micahgok, then it's probably not a thunderbird problem as thunderbird didn't change from jaunty to karmic02:19
LaibschOK02:19
micahgI'd say try #ubuntu-x02:19
Laibschyou think this is bug in X?02:19
micahgthat or GTK02:20
LaibschDo you experience this issue?02:20
micahgI'm trying to figure out what the issue is02:20
LaibschOK, sorry if the information was insufficient02:20
micahgI can't see the mouse in the second screen02:20
Laibsch1) use a three-pane layout02:20
LaibschOh, wait a minute02:21
LaibschThis is hard to capture02:21
LaibschAnd for privacy reasons, I did not want to show a video02:21
micahgI guess you can't do a screenshot02:21
micahgcan you make a new profile with an empty box?02:21
LaibschI did02:21
micahgdid it have the same symptoms?02:21
Laibschyes02:22
micahgI'm saying without you loading your data02:22
LaibschI just made such addition to the description02:22
Laibschto verify it was not a problem with the add-ons02:22
micahgyes,02:22
micahgI'm wondering if you can recreate a video with an empty profile02:22
LaibschIndeed, that is pretty stupid ;-)02:22
LaibschThe mouse pointer is in the pixelized part ;-)02:22
micahgmaybe I'm just too tires02:23
micahgtired02:23
LaibschIt's about four to five folders down from "Sent" where the cursor is02:23
micahgyou can try in #ubuntu-mozillateam tomorrow02:23
micahgsorry02:24
LaibschOK02:24
Laibschthanks for your help02:24
LaibschJust a very quick question02:24
micahgunless someone else here has something to add02:24
LaibschCan you successfully move a mail to a folder that appears way down towards the lower end of a three-pane layout?02:24
LaibschThat is basically the issue02:25
micahgkakemann: I added the second one you found, I don't know if the first one was correct02:25
micahgyes\02:25
LaibschI can move it, but I have to move the mouse-pointer about four to five folders lower than the actual target02:25
Laibschdarn02:25
micahghmm02:26
micahgany other apps act like that?02:26
micahglike your file explorer?02:26
LaibschI tried thunar and nautilus02:28
micahgand?02:29
LaibschTheir layout is off course a bit different02:29
LaibschI had no issues02:29
micahgyes02:29
micahgok02:29
micahghmmm02:29
micahgwell, I don't have a chance to check upstream right now02:29
micahg#ubuntu-mozillateam would probably be your best bet02:29
LaibschOK, thanks02:30
LaibschI already looked in bugzilla.mozilla.org, found no obvious candidates, but it can be hard to find stuff there02:30
micahgwell, you can limit to thunderbird02:30
micahgyeah02:31
micahgsometimes I open upstream tasks with no bug because I don't have time to find it02:31
micahgand people like kakemann go and find them for me :)02:31
thekorngood morning07:24
micahggood morning07:24
micahghave you seen bug 402073 yet?07:24
ubot4Launchpad bug 402073 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] launchpad" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40207307:24
micahglaunchpad has finally been open sourced :)07:25
thekornw000t?07:31
thekornare you kidding me?07:31
thekorn;)07:31
micahgnope07:31
* micahg loves backport stuff07:35
micahg*backporting07:35
kakemannmicahg, thanks for looking into it08:27
micahgnp, thank you!08:30
micahgping mvo_08:35
mvo_hey micahg08:39
micahghi mvo_, would you prefer synaptic bugs upstreamed to debiian or somewhere else?08:40
mvo_micahg: launchpad upstream tasks should be fine, the same people (i.e. me) look at debian and LP08:41
mvo_micahg: did you found particular interessting ones?08:41
micahgwell, one I picked up for the hugday last week08:42
micahgbug 12204708:42
ubot4Launchpad bug 122047 in synaptic "No way to view explicity installed packages, excluding automatically installed packages" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/12204708:42
micahgI was about to upstream to debian08:42
micahgI thought it was a good idea08:42
mvo_micahg: its not a bad idea :) but I don't think its needed, let me have a look at it now08:44
micahgok, I'll cancel the upstream request08:44
mvo_micahg: ok08:45
micahgI already commented on one bug upstream that it exists in LP08:45
mvo_micahg: which one was that? it seems to be not in my bugmail inbox for some reason :/08:47
micahgdebian bug 44242108:47
ubot4Debian bug 442421 in synaptic "recommends gksu (without alternatives)" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/44242108:47
mvo_aha, thanks08:48
micahgthat way you can close both at once :)08:48
mvo_:)08:48
mvo_indeed08:48
micahgshould I set the first one I showed you to wishlist triaged?08:48
mvo_micahg: please08:51
micahgdone08:53
micahgthanks08:53
mvo_thanks08:53
* micahg is off to bed08:56
mvo_good night!08:56
micahgnight08:57
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pedro_bdmurray, hello, have you seen bug 396531 ?19:29
ubot4pedro_: Bug 396531 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/396531 is private19:29
pedro_bdmurray, do you know of any workaround? I'm getting the same crash every time i run bughelper19:30
bdmurraypedro_: I haven't, but I'm looking at it now19:31
pedro_thanks19:32
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pedro_Kamusin, still working on the last hug day heh? ;-)19:46
Kamusinpedro_, of course dude :)19:47
* pedro_ hugs Kamusin19:47
pedro_Kamusin, on Thursday we're having one based on Evolution in case you have some spare hours that day :-)19:48
Kamusinpedro_, yeah! I have already marked --remember my hug-day tools,  I really hope improve my triaging skills this days   :)19:50
pedro_woohoo!19:50
bdmurraythekorn: Have you seen bug 396531?  it seems related to python2.619:55
ubot4Launchpad bug 396531 in bughelper "bughelper crashed with TypeError in __init__() - Read only attribute" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39653119:55
thekornbdmurray, no not yet, looking at it now19:56
thekornbdmurray, can you reproduce this bug?19:57
bdmurraythekorn: yes are you using karmic and python2.6?19:57
thekornbdmurray, I'm using jaunty, with python2.619:58
bdmurraythekorn: hmmm19:58
thekornbdmurray, so bughelper crashes on karmic with python2.6 bughelper ?19:58
bdmurraythekorn: that's correct19:59
bdmurraythe packages should be the same for jaunty vs karmic20:00
thekornbdmurray, can you please chech if this reproduces the bug? http://paste.ubuntu.com/223777/20:02
thekorns/chech/check20:02
rrittenhouseAnyone else having the issue of when you mouse-over the gnome-system-monitor applet, that is inserted into the top bar, making dropouts in the graph everytime you put your mouse up there?20:02
rrittenhouseI'm running 9.0420:03
bdmurraythekorn: it does cause the same error20:03
rrittenhouseI go there to mouse-over and see how much bandwidth im using and it makes dropouts =/20:03
thekornbdmurray, ok, than it is a bug in py-lp-bugs or in python2.6, investigating further now20:04
thekornbdmurray, karmic has python 2.6.3, correct?20:09
bdmurraythekorn: Installed: 2.6.2-0ubuntu220:10
thekornbdmurray, ok, now I'm confused ;) what does python2.6 -V return20:15
thekornif it is 2.6.3, it is a bug because of http://bugs.python.org/issue589020:15
bdmurraythekorn: Python 2.6.2+20:16
thekornbdmurray, can you please test if this still fails? http://paste.ubuntu.com/223792/20:19
bdmurraythekorn: yes, still failes20:21
thekornargh, I will try to setup a karmic vm tomorrow morning20:22
thekornand try to find a fix20:22
thekornthere was definitly a change in the property type,20:22
thekornbut it does not seem to be documented somewhere20:23
bdmurraythekorn: okay, thanks!20:24
thekornno worries20:28
bdmurraythekorn: oh by the way are you using launchpadlib much?20:31
thekornbdmurray, I'm working on some projects which use launchpadlib,20:33
thekornbut I'm not this ind of user who has daily cronjob running to dump the lp database ;)20:34
bdmurraythekorn: so I think searchTasks only accepts True of False for 'has_no_package'.  I wish it'd take it both somehow20:34
thekornso I would say: "not much" but I'm using it20:34
bdmurrayor if I could append to the tasks collection that'd be fine20:35
bdmurrayjust wondering if you'd run into this or something like it before20:36
thekornbdmurray, can't you just run two querries?20:38
thekornit should not make any difference20:38
thekornso what you want is a OR condition, if I understand this correctly20:38
bdmurrayyes, I could run two queries but I'd rather have 1 collection in the end to work with than 220:39
bdmurrayyes, an OR condition is what I want20:39
thekornthe good thing about today is: we can now all work on implementing such things ;)20:42
bdmurrayheh20:42
thekornbut I doubt something like this will ever be acceppted, as the API only refelcts what's possible with the web UI20:43
bdmurrayHmm, I don't have an example but think there is some stuff in the api that is not in the webui20:44
thekornok, maybe you are right20:45
thekornbdmurray, as long as you are not interested in any attributes of a collection maybe something like this is useful: http://paste.ubuntu.com/223819/20:53
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bdmurraythekorn: thanks!21:23
plarsbcurtiswx: is that true that a bug cannot be marked triage without forwarding it upstream first?21:36
micahgplars: depends if it's a bug in an upstream product or not21:38
plarsbcurtiswx: I'm also a curious as to why you consider it wishlist instead of low.  I had assumed low since it is a mostly cosmetic/usability issue21:39
plarsmicahg: actually in this case I don't believe there's even a debian package available for it, but in a general sense, it seems odd that it should be required to upstream a bug, given that the bug could only exist in the ubuntu version of the package and not upstream21:40
micahgplars: which bug?21:40
plarsmicahg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/37805521:41
ubot4Launchpad bug 378055 in maximus "Empathy buddy list not in maximus blacklist." [Wishlist,Confirmed]21:41
plarsI know, of course, that we want to upstream where ever we possibly can, but I don't remember seeing anywhere that it was policy that it was required before a bug could be considered triaged - albeit I admit I'm still fairly new at this.  That's why I'm asking here to try to find out21:43
micahgIt depends if it's an upstreamable bug or not21:44
micahgI'm not familiar with the apps21:44
micahgI understand your position plars, but I cannot really comment as I don't know where the fix needs to be21:45
micahgbcurtiswx will probably be back shortl21:45
micahgy21:45
plarsmicahg: the fix for this particular issue is in maximus21:45
micahgyes, but whether it's a debian/ubuntu/ubuntuunr fix21:45
plarsmicahg: but the more general question I had was - "Does a bug need to be upstreamed before it can be considered to be triaged"21:46
bdmurrayplars: no21:46
plarsbdmurray: thanks21:47
micahgbdmurray: doesn't it depend on the package?21:47
bdmurraymicahg: no, why would it?21:50
james_wbcurtiswx: Ubuntu *is* upstream for maximus22:24
micahgbdmurray: hmmm, I just found the flow chart: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage/Charts22:27
micahgI thought a bug went from confirmed to triaged once it was upstreamed if it was upstreamable22:27
micahgmaybe that's just for mozilla stuff...22:28
micahgI thought triaged meant bug squad was done22:29
bdmurraythat might be the mozilla team's policy but that would be the exception to the general rule22:32
micahgHow can a bug be triaged if it needs to be fixed upstream and there is no task?22:33
* micahg isn't trying to be difficult22:33
* micahg just wants to understand22:33
bdmurrayits possible that a triager might not be able to determine if the bug exists in patches specific to the ubuntu package or if it is in the software proper, so a developer should look at it therefore it should be triaged22:35
bdmurraywe don't want to flood upstream with our bug reports22:36
bdmurrayour with bugs that are specific to us22:36
bdmurrayideally most triaged bugs will be forwarded but it isn't a requirement22:36
micahgok, I guess I took it for granted that bug control members would know more about the packages in general22:37
bdmurraywith thousands of packages its hard to know about everyone22:37
micahgright, but I thought then it was better to ask22:38
micahgok, I'll update my internal policies to reflect this :)22:38
micahgso I don't misinform people22:38
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micahgbdmurray: mozilla is probably unusual in that almost everything needs to be fixed upstream22:40
micahgbdmurray: asac confirmed mozilla is the same as everything else...hmmm...22:49
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bdmurraygood, the goal is not to have exceptions for certain packages / areas22:50
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* micahg was obviously mistaken22:50
bdmurrayhaving different policies for every package would be quite complicated!22:50
asacall this will hopefully change sooner or later when we can connect bugs directly ;)22:50
micahgindeed22:50
micahgbdmurray: is there an easy way for me to make graphs like the one you make for the hugdays?22:53
bdmurraymicahg: the graphs are not an easy process.  what are you interested in?22:57
micahgoh, just something similar for firefox, if it's not easy, don't worry, I was just wondering if it's something I can make22:57
bdmurraymicahg: something like http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus/firefox-3.0 ?22:59
BUGabundoguud evening22:59
micahgyes :)22:59
micahgcan I use that for any package?22:59
bdmurraynot any but a lot23:00
* micahg likes to see progress of triaging :)23:01
caabug #402639 look more like a question than a bug. I tried to recreate the bug but I only got it to work as intended, so I supplied the bug with steps to make it work. But I think it should be converted to a question, can I have a second pair of eyes on it?23:17
ubot4Launchpad bug 402639 in thunderbird "Get all mail add-on doesn't work on Ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40263923:17
micahgyeah, caa, that makes sense23:28
micahgwe wouldn't be able to support it anyways as we don't package it23:29
caaok23:30
caaShould I just convert to question and supply the stock answer?23:30
micahgwell, you already responded23:30
micahgso, I'd say if user answers that it's fixed, use stock config change invalidate response23:31
caaOk, I'll wait and see if the responds23:31
caathanks23:31
micahgif it's going to be a lot of back and forth then convert to Q with stock reply and you can keep following up if you want23:31
caaerr, meant he insted of the :)23:32

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