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| slacker_nl | can someone give comments on this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades | 07:45 |
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| slacker_nl | i realize it is not up to standards, but if someone reads it and gives comments/check for typo's errors or other things I might have overlooked it would be much appreciated | 07:46 |
| Flannel | Why not just link to the appropriate other pages? | 07:51 |
| rww | Flannel: you mean like the "(for link see the See also section)" bit? I was wondering that too. | 07:53 |
| Flannel | Well, we have pages from Breezy on which are up-to-date (or at the very least, mostly up to date and can certainly be made up to date) | 07:53 |
| Flannel | that is, the upgrade from Breezy to Dapper. BreezyUpgradeNotes is on wiki.ubuntu.com, and hasn't really been taken care of. | 07:54 |
| Flannel | As far as your instructions, I'd stay away from sed/perl statements, and show them the sources.list they should have when switching to old-releases and stuff. | 07:55 |
| Flannel | Your sed lines won't work for some configurations, like if they've totally broken them, or are using other mirrors (well, were) | 07:56 |
| Flannel | and also, you never mention ensuring proper metapackages are installed | 07:57 |
| * Flannel is sure thats not exhaustive, but its a good start. | 07:57 | |
| slacker_nl | which metapackages? the update-manager packages need to be installed, which is mentioned several times | 07:59 |
| Flannel | update-manager didn't exist for pre-dapper upgrades | 07:59 |
| Flannel | well, insofar as taking care of upgrades. | 07:59 |
| slacker_nl | yes, that's done via dist-upgrade | 08:00 |
| Flannel | a kernel metapackage (such as linux-686 or linux-686-smp, etc), ubuntu-standard, ubuntu-minimal, and an appropriate -desktop (ubuntu-desktop) | 08:00 |
| slacker_nl | Flannel: that will be installed by any default ubuntu release | 08:00 |
| Flannel | right, but dist-upgrade won't work without the proper metapackages | 08:00 |
| slacker_nl | ubuntu-standard is installed on a cli install iirc | 08:01 |
| Flannel | slacker_nl: You can't assume that they're not going to still be installed though. | 08:01 |
| Flannel | While I admit -standard and -minimal likely won't be removed, -desktop and kernel metapackages do. | 08:02 |
| slacker_nl | desktop packages are not needed to upgrade (at least, my server installations don't need them and you don't need them to upgrade) | 08:02 |
| Flannel | slacker_nl: Correct, but they're needed for a successful desktop upgrade. | 08:02 |
| slacker_nl | i will add the kernel packages | 08:03 |
| slacker_nl | Flannel: will have to test that | 08:03 |
| rww | slacker_nl: metapackages being installed or not is one of those things that's not absolutely necessary (and stuff will sometimes work without them), but it's a really good idea and averts a bunch of possible problems. | 08:04 |
| Flannel | any new programs, or things we've changed, generally get done via -desktop | 08:04 |
| Flannel | It won't cause the upgrade to fail, but if the point of upgrading is "get the same as I would have with a reinstall" then without the proper metapackages, that won't succeed. | 08:05 |
| slacker_nl | rww: true, however, very easy to fix by aptitude install $rel-desktop package | 08:05 |
| Flannel | slacker_nl: Which is exactly what I said should be included in the instructions | 08:06 |
| slacker_nl | ahh, I see what you mean, if a new package got added by -desktop (which was not in the previous release) it would not be installed if the meta package did not exist | 08:06 |
| Flannel | but again, for everything after hoary to breezy, why not just link to the current upgrade notes? | 08:07 |
| slacker_nl | 6.10 to 8.04 is not documented (properly) at the wiki's | 08:10 |
| slacker_nl | that is the reason why i started that guide ;) | 08:11 |
| Flannel | 6.10 to 8.04 isn't supported, that's why. | 08:11 |
| Flannel | To go to 6.10 to 8.04, you have to go 6.10 to 7.04 to 7.10 to 8.04 | 08:11 |
| slacker_nl | i know, that's why i started the EOLupgrades | 08:11 |
| slacker_nl | yes | 08:11 |
| slacker_nl | very easy btw | 08:11 |
| slacker_nl | i've done it half a year ago | 08:12 |
| Flannel | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades?action=recall&rev=60 | 08:12 |
| Flannel | They're all there... juts been removed for some stupid reason. | 08:13 |
| rww | ah! I knew I'd seen those instructions somewhere. I went looking for them the other day and couldn't find them :( | 08:13 |
| Flannel | slacker_nl: Perhaps you should just move that page to EOLUpgrades/Feisty or something | 08:13 |
| Flannel | and then link to it | 08:13 |
| Flannel | (likewise for the others) | 08:14 |
| Flannel | that'd make it much easier to handle in the future... move page from /*Upgrades to /EOLUpgrades/*Upgrades | 08:14 |
| slacker_nl | Flannel: could do that | 08:15 |
| Flannel | It doesn't really need to be moved I suppose. | 08:16 |
| Flannel | But, it might keep people from deleting it | 08:16 |
| slacker_nl | Feisty is redirected to eol upgrades, found out myself 3 days ago | 08:16 |
| Flannel | right, you can revert it though | 08:17 |
| Flannel | Keeping each upgrade separate is good though, a monolithic page will get confusing, and its less easy to link directly to where you want to put someone. | 08:18 |
| slacker_nl | Flannel: don't know why he did it, thought he was someone special | 08:20 |
| slacker_nl | so didn't bother with it | 08:20 |
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| enhickman | I believe there is spam on your wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/StyleGuide/SpellingPunctuationGrammar search for "FANBOYS"? if its not spam it makes the sentence very confusing. | 20:07 |
| rww | enhickman: It's meant as a mnemonic: if you take the first letter of each of the listed conjunctions, you get that word. It is confusing, though. | 22:38 |
| enhickman | Ah thanks I get it now. | 22:40 |
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