/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/07/21/#xubuntu.txt

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owen1can i install the 64 bit on a macbook pro?01:01
owen1it's intel core 2 duo.01:34
nicklas_hello01:52
owen1nicklas_: hi01:53
owen1anyone tried installing xubuntu on macbookpro?01:53
Simetricalowen1, it should install fine on any Intel machine.  Core 2 Duo supports 64-bit.01:59
owen1Simetrical: great. i see a tutorial for ubuntu. is there anything for xubuntu?02:00
SimetricalI'd *assume* the exact same steps should work.02:00
owen1ok. the only 'risk' is competability issues. there is a nice table showing the differnt features and how to fix them after u install ubuntu.02:02
owen1ypical PC contains). With this change, a different partition table scheme (GPT) is used on the hard drive. The02:02
owen1 wonder if there is similar stuff for xubuntu02:02
nicklas_owen1, xubuntu is ubuntu but with xfce instead of gnome02:03
owen1true02:03
SimetricalThere should be no differences that are that low-level.02:20
AlfaHello, I'm new to the linux world, but I'm trying to figure out what the difference is between XUbuntu and Ubuntu02:54
SimetricalAlfa, different desktop environment.  Kind of hard to explain if you don't know what that means.  All the programs are the same, just the operating system interface is somewhat different, basically.02:55
Alfawhat about hardware support?02:55
R1cochetxubuntu uses XFCE4 and ubuntu uses gnome02:55
R1cochetxfce is supposed to be lighter on resources02:55
R1cochetsame hw support as far as i know02:55
SimetricalAlfa, theoretically identical.  However, it's possible that one will allow you easier access to the hardware through GUIs.02:56
SimetricalI had to use xrandr from the command line to get multiple monitors working on Xubuntu, when they worked out of the box on Ubuntu.02:56
SimetricalOr rather, Ubuntu's GUI worked, Xubuntu didn't.02:56
Simetrical(for using the extra monitor)02:57
AlfaI'm running an old P3, and so far I only have two hardware issues, video card and input from the sound card. That's why  I wanted to know more of which is better02:59
Alfaand really which one is better on old machines02:59
SimetricalXubuntu should run faster on old machines.03:00
SimetricalVideo/sound card issues should theoretically be identical between them.03:01
Alfahow is Xubuntu better on old machines? just uses less resources or what?03:03
SimetricalYes, it uses less resources.03:03
SimetricalIn theory it has fewer features as well, but I've barely noticed.03:03
Simetrical(actually, I'm not even totally sure that's the theory)03:04
Alfaso theoretically, if Ubuntu gliches up a little, XUbuntu will probably have the same issues?03:06
SimetricalIt depends on what sort of issues.03:09
SimetricalBut yes, probably.03:10
AlfaAfter an hour or so, or forum surfing, my texts begin looking like Futurama letters03:11
Alfaand my computer begins to bog down03:12
Alfawell thnx anyways. I'll continue my quest for a decent os03:21
owen1i insert the ubuntu 64bit into macbookpro and hit 'c' key (to boot from cd). i see grey screen, frozen.  any hints?03:39
whitesmithHey all...  I'm having a small issue where I can't see the menus that are usually (and by default) at the top and bottom of the screen.  :s04:04
whitesmithAny ideas as to what I need to do to get them back?04:05
Jmnshello04:09
JmnsI have a small issue04:09
Jmnseverytime I reboot xubuntu forgets my screen resolution04:09
Jmnsit's the latest release04:09
Jmnsdoes anyone know why is this?04:09
vinomanhi04:10
vinomanwhat type video do you have? may need drivers.04:12
Jmnsit's an ati radeon04:12
maduseryou need the restricted drivers04:12
maduserits in the hardware devices manager04:13
Jmnsit has compiz enable so, I don't think its drivers04:13
madusergo to setting>hardware devices04:13
whitesmithI'm having a small issue where I can't see the menus that are usually (and by default) at the top and bottom of the screen.  Any ideas as to what I need to do to get them back?04:13
SimetricalIt always forgets my monitor configuration.  I just put this in ~/bin/fixres and run it from a terminal on every startup: xrandr --newmode 1280x1024_80 148.50  1280 1368 1504 1728  1024 1027 1034 1075 -hsync +vsync; xrandr --addmode VGA1 1280x1024_80; xrandr --output VGA2 --left-of VGA1 --mode 1280x1024 --output VGA1 --mode 1280x1024_8004:13
SimetricalKind of stupid, but oh well, I don't reboot often anyway.04:14
maduserJmns sorry hardware drivers04:14
Jmnsmaduser yeah, it says i'm not using private drivers nor list them04:14
vinomanwhitesmith: try this. $ xfce4-panel &04:14
Jmnsin gnome it list the ati driver I need04:15
maduserJmns then i got nothing04:15
JmnsI mean, I had gnome and xfce and gnome found the drivers and ask if I want to install them, xfce didn't04:15
vinomanwhitesmith: do you have Compiz enabled? You may want to disable the log back in. that may restore the taskbars04:16
whitesmithxfce4-panel & worked.04:16
vinomangreat04:16
whitesmithI'm not sure if I have Compiz enabled, or what it even does, sorry...04:17
whitesmithBut thank you very much for getting that back for me.04:17
whitesmithIf I save the session, will it come back on restart for me, or...?04:17
JmnsI'm having another issue, when I try to mount a windows partition the partition editor says "The enclosing drive for the volume is locked."04:18
vinomanno problem. Compiz fusion if enabled can do many desktop effects. like the cube or scales, they can also trip things up sometimes.04:18
whitesmithAhh...  I don't think I have that enabled, then.04:19
vinomanwhitesmith: try it and see when you reboot, but it may not need it.04:19
whitesmithI mostly use this computer as a work-from-home computer, so it's all about productivity.04:20
whitesmithAlright, thank you.04:20
whitesmithI'll be back to let you know if saving the session makes it work on reboot.04:20
SimetricalMy weather applet has been saying "Cannot update weather data" for days now.  Any ideas on how to fix that?04:20
vinomanXubuntu 9.04 is very good at that. I've installed it on four PCs this month for new Linux users and they all are very happy!04:21
n2diyhow do I pass my passwd to a cron job, when starting an grsync/ssh session?04:22
Simetricaln2diy, you can use public-key authentication and ssh-agent.04:23
SimetricalOr just put your password in a plaintext file, but that's obviously not so secure.04:23
n2diySimetrical: I'm have the same trouble here , on two machines.04:23
SimetricalI guess the weather source died?  How do we switch to a different one?04:24
SimetricalMaybe it will require an update.04:24
n2diySimetrical: I am using authentication, and that is why ssh is asking for the passwd.04:24
n2diyI'm trying to automate the gsync process, so I don't have to be here to give my passwd.04:25
Simetricaln2diy, you're using a password, or private key with passphrase?  If a password, you'll have to just read the password from a file.  If a passphrase, use ssh-agent unless it needs to be working instantly on reboot.04:25
cody-somervilleSimetrical, we're working on a fix04:25
Simetricalcody-somerville, ah, good to hear.04:25
cody-somervilleSimetrical, or more correctly we've fixed the issue and it'll be deployed ASAP04:25
n2diySimetrical: ok, I'll have to do some more research, thanks.04:26
owen1i am going to install ubuntu 32bit on 64bit mac.  someone told me the only difference is i'll only have 3.8 gig memory instead of 4.  is it accurate and is there anything else i should care about?04:26
Simetricalowen1, more like 3 GB than 3.8 GB.  Might depend on your hardware.  32-bit runs some programs better, or at least used to, and compiling some things is easier.04:26
owen1Simetrical: great, so maybe i should stick to 32?04:27
SimetricalI dunno, I'm doing that for now.04:27
SimetricalFor my desktop, I mean.  For nontrivial servers 64-bit is usually essential.04:27
owen1Simetrical: btw, according to the wiki I should also convert the HD partition format to MBR (from EFI).  should i follow that too? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MactelSupportTeam/AppleIntelInstallation04:28
whitesmithThank you very much again, vinoman!04:29
whitesmithIt worked perfectly.  :p04:30
owen1Simetrical: before I am doing it, did u converted it to MBR as well?04:37
owen1ok. i did it and installing xubuntu"04:43
owen1!04:43
owen1should i install the Mactel packages?04:54
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danopia<Simetrical> owen1, more like 3 GB than 3.8 GB.  Might depend on your hardware.  32-bit runs some programs better, or at least used to, and compiling some things is easier.05:57
danopiai get 3.205:57
danopia3290 MiB05:57
HGFhello06:17
HGFis anyone out there available to help with a problem?06:17
R1cochetstate the problem and someone should help shortly if they can06:20
HGFthanks,06:21
HGFi installed 9.04 (new to linux). i am looking to get rid of that annoying system beep when, for example, backspacing in pidgin with no text etc06:21
HGFi have seen some solutions on the web but am unsure how to implement them b/c i am unfamiliar with the terminal06:22
HGFone solution from google said "sudo nano -w /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist" then add "blacklist pcspkr" to the file06:30
HGF i typed the first part in the terminal, it asked for password, and then i cant figure out how to "add" that last part06:30
R1cochetu can do that06:30
R1cochetbut06:30
R1cochetim not sure how to use nano in terminal06:30
R1cocheti personally use gedit06:31
HGFkk06:31
R1cochetdownload gedit from synaptic06:31
HGFim willing to try06:31
HGFum06:31
R1cochetu know where synaptic is?06:31
HGFi think so hold on06:31
R1cochetapp>system>synaptic06:31
HGFkk06:31
R1cochetinstall synaptic06:32
HGFisnt it already on here06:32
HGFyou mean gedit?06:32
R1cochetyea gedit06:32
HGFi found it and marked for install or something06:33
R1cochetperfect06:34
R1cochetnow click apply06:34
HGFkk06:34
R1cochetit will dl and install for u06:34
HGFits going06:34
R1cochetthen once its installed use the same command in terminal but replace nano -w with gedit06:35
HGFinstalling now06:35
R1cochetmake sure u place the blacklist pcspkr in the right section06:36
R1cocheti think it matters06:36
R1cochetthen save and exit06:37
R1cochetnext time u start ur pc u shouldnt hear that annoying ass beep06:37
HGFk installed06:38
HGFso sudo nano -w /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist becomes....06:38
HGFgedit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist06:38
HGFdo i not need the -w ?06:38
R1cochetno need06:39
HGFhrm06:40
R1cochetthe -w is an option for nano06:40
HGFso i did it06:40
HGFand its an empty file06:40
R1cochetand?06:40
R1cochetreally06:40
HGFwith only that line06:40
R1cochetwhat line?06:40
HGFblacklist pcspkr06:41
HGFi tried putting in in before with the other instructions i followed06:41
HGFso maybe it worked06:41
R1cochetwell maybe not06:41
HGFbut there is nothing else in there06:41
HGFjust that line06:41
R1cocheti tried that command and i have a blank file also06:41
R1cochetnot sure if thats where i put the blcklist myself06:41
R1cochetgimme a sec06:41
HGFkk thanks so much06:41
R1cocheti know i put it in a file w/ lots of text06:42
HGFso many programs create that darn BEEP06:42
HGFi cant stand it06:42
HGFmakes me jump , its so loud06:42
R1cochetaha i found it06:44
R1cochetyep its annoying06:44
R1cochetu need to:.......06:44
R1cochetsudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf06:45
R1cochetthen add "blacklist pcspkr" on the last line06:45
R1cochetsave and exit06:45
HGFdone06:46
HGFnow restart?06:47
R1cochetyep id u want to right now06:48
R1cochetif*06:48
HGFthanks so much R1cochet06:48
R1cochetit wont take effect until restart06:48
HGFi will restart and keep my fingers crossed06:48
R1cochetthere are other ways to blacklist for the time being06:48
R1cochetif u dont want to restart06:48
HGFoh?06:48
R1cochetyea but they are only temp06:48
HGFi can restart06:48
R1cochetand i havent tried them06:48
R1cocheti would prolly just restart06:49
HGFi will be back if it persists ;)06:49
R1cochetand make sure it worked :)06:49
R1cochetgl06:49
HGFthanks so much06:49
R1cochetnp06:49
HGFi have one last question06:49
HGFbut this is just general06:49
R1cochetshoot06:49
HGFi have a dell 600m that i am running this on06:49
HGFquite old06:49
HGFit has some hardware buttons for sound (mute + louder/quieter)06:49
HGFdedicated buttons i should say06:50
HGFam i to assume these can not be set in xubuntu06:50
R1cochetahh but they can :)06:51
R1cochethad the same issue myself06:51
R1cocheton 8.10 they were autoset but on 9.04 i had to add them06:51
R1cocheteasy fix06:51
R1cochetgimme a sec06:51
HGFwow thanks06:51
R1cochethave an issue on another channel06:51
HGFkk ill wait :)06:52
R1cochetok06:53
R1cochetapps>settings>xfce settings06:53
R1cochetkeyboard> apps shortcuts06:53
R1cochettab06:53
HGFk im there06:54
HGFguessing i will have to "add"06:55
R1cochetyep06:55
R1cochetjust a sec plz06:55
HGFkk :)06:55
R1cochetk sry06:56
HGFno worries!06:57
R1cochettryng to connect to another net and its not letting me06:57
R1cochetok so06:57
R1cochetfor mute button: click add06:59
R1cochetcommand is: amixer -c 0 sset Master toggle06:59
R1cochetthen hit ur mute button06:59
R1cochetvolume up:  amixer -c 0 sset Master 5+06:59
R1cochetthat will increase by 506:59
R1cochetu can change 5 to whatever increments u like07:00
R1cochetvolume down: amixer -c 0 sset Master 5-07:00
R1cochetadd those 3 and u should be set for volume controls07:00
HGFperfeeeeeect07:02
R1cochetcool07:02
R1cochetalso07:02
R1cochetu just installed correct?07:02
HGFworks great07:02
HGFyes07:02
HGFjust last night07:02
R1cochettheres a couple packages u might want to get07:02
R1cochetxubuntu-restricted-extras07:03
HGFi went through like 113 updates yesterday lol07:03
R1cochetthat should give u java, flash, and codecs for medias07:03
R1cochetlol i bet07:03
HGFoh i did flash myself07:03
HGFi did some codecs too07:03
R1cochetasl o u will want to search for dvd playback07:03
HGFthe video player wont playback dvd?07:04
R1cochetnot right now it wont07:04
R1cochetnot if its a locked dvd07:04
HGFwhere do i go to search07:04
HGFfor dvd playback07:04
R1cochetgoogle07:05
R1cochetbut i already did 4 u07:06
R1cochethttp://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Jaunty#CDs_and_DVDs07:06
R1cochetuse that and cntrl-f "dvd07:06
R1cochet"07:06
R1cochetclick the link it hilights and u should see "CD's and DVDs"07:06
R1cochet"DVD playback capability"07:07
R1cochetwait nvm07:07
R1cochetdont use that link07:07
R1cochettheres a better one somewhere07:07
HGFhah i was about to say07:08
HGFthis all looks greek to me07:08
R1cochethttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs07:10
R1cochetfollow that tutorial07:10
R1cochetu should be fine07:10
R1cochetu can always just copy and paste the codes :)07:10
R1cochetinto terminal07:10
R1cochetjust follow instructions for ubuntu 9.0407:11
HGFkk :)07:11
HGFdone07:13
HGFnow t he included video player will also do DVD?07:13
HGFor do you think i need to get another video player like VLC?07:13
HGFregardless , i learned a lot today. thanks so much!07:16
HGFoff to bed i go07:16
techieanyone have an ATI Radeon 9600 working under Ubuntu? (or an X1050) feel free to PM me09:48
Rugxuloofficially logged, oh noes10:10
* Rugxulo tells Amazon.com to delete it behind everyone's back ...10:10
Rugxuloanybody actually here?10:13
techiedo i count?10:13
Rugxulojust curious ... no pressure    :-P10:13
Rugxuloprobably10:13
techieyay10:13
* Rugxulo starts the census a half year early ...10:13
Arkenionhi12:08
Pres-GasWhoops13:32
crazygirhaving upgraded from 8.10 to 9.04, (u)mounting fails with priviledge errors13:56
crazygirI haven't seen any similar problems mentioned online13:58
homebrewcidernetwork manager icon shows me as not being connected, but I obviously am, cos I'm here, anyone else have this problem?14:00
gaurdrohomebrewcider, what release are you running?  (8.04,8.10 etc)14:01
homebrewcidersorrry, 9.0414:02
gaurdroI haven't seen it on 9.04 but I have that issue in 8.04.3 when there is a lot of wireless connections and a wired connection.14:04
Raggs_hi all, is there a way to get wireless to work at login without having to enter my password?14:34
crazygiranyone else with mounting/sudo problems after upgrading to 9.04?14:43
william56hey, anyone know how i can get a path bar in rox-filer ?17:16
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crazygirwhen trying to mount a usb device, I get: Xlib:  extension "Generic Event Extension" missing on display ":0.0".18:28
crazygirIsCallerPrivileged() failed.18:28
crazygirthis is after upgrading to 9.04 from 8.10, anyone else run into this issue or have suggestions?18:29
meneseshi!18:48
vinnl!hi18:49
menesesso I tried to install the propietary drivers of my ati radeon graphic card, and the X just went to hell18:49
ubottuHi! Welcome to #xubuntu!18:50
vinnlTook your time ubottu18:51
menesesso vinnl, my xubuntu never remember the screen resolution when I reboot18:51
menesesso I tried installing the ati drivers18:52
menesesand it didn't work18:52
menesesI install them out of the repos18:52
vinnlHmm, sounds like a problem someone had here recently... Not sure if he solved it - I wouldn't know how to, anyway :(18:55
vinnlBut if you wait around someone might come around that does18:55
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AraneidaeHere's an amusing (if annoying) xfce4-panel bug:19:51
ochosiAraneidae, there are xfce-panel bugs? :D19:51
AraneidaeIf I open more applications in the bit that tracks them, the panel tries to grow wider than the screen!19:52
AraneidaePerish the thought, eh?19:52
AraneidaeMeans all the stuff on the rhs falls off the screen...19:52
ochosiusing task-list? icon-box?19:52
AraneidaeDunno, to be honest.  How do I find out?  Just the usual list of open apps with a little icon for each19:53
ochosihm, well right-click the area and click "properties" and see19:54
ochosiwhat version of xubuntu are you using anyways?19:54
AraneidaeThink it must be Task List19:54
Araneidae9.0419:54
Araneidaeup to date, too19:54
ochosiyeah, i think task list is the standard19:54
ochosiare you using more than one monitor?19:54
AraneidaeYes, indeed, and it's on the lhs19:55
ochosiah right19:55
AraneidaeIn other words, I think it's trying to (invisibly) grow into the rh monitor19:55
ochosihm, well, the problem is i only have one monitor here (now) and can't really test this19:55
ochosihave you dug around bugzilla.xfce.org yet?19:56
AraneidaeI've got a fair collection of standard widgets in my panel: the menus, the task list, a sound control, an Xfapplet embedded gnome widget, a space that shows little popups, the workspace switcher, and the time of day.19:57
AraneidaeOnly just found the bug, I'll have a look there.19:58
Araneidaehard to think of sensible search strings!19:59
AraneidaeLooks promising: http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=333220:01
Araneidae... but not quite the same :(20:01
AraneidaeOr maybe: http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=504520:03
AraneidaeHahaha: setting "Use all available space" in the Task List configuration seems to fix the issue!20:05
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MTec007I am able to sudo, but I am unable to locate the password for su. is there a default? its not the same as the sudo password/my user login22:34
th0rMTec007: use 'sudo su'22:34
th0rMTec007: and your password22:34
MTec007i cant just type su?22:35
th0rMTec007: not  in ubuntu22:35
MTec007oh thats a shame22:35
MTec007ok so is there a console replacement for pidgin?22:36
th0rirssi22:36
MTec007im using irssi now22:36
MTec007for instant messaging aim, msn yahoo22:37
MTec007i have naim and i love the way it works but its not for msn or yahoo.22:38
bob__Hi, how do I get my resolution and screen Hz to stick since I installed the nvidia drivers? since installing them every time I  turn off the box I get reset down to 800x600 @6 0Hz22:39
th0rbob__: if you know the numbers you can add the resolution to /etc/X11/xorg.conf22:39
SiDibob__: try nvidia-settings22:43
SiDiit should write the settings to your xorg.conf without pain22:43
MTec007any one know how to open a new server window in irssi?22:44
knomewhy would you want several server windows?22:44
MTec007i like being on more than one server at a time?22:44
knomeuse /connect22:44
MTec007i thought irssi could handle that22:44
knomethere's no need for another server window22:45
MTec007it doesnt disconnect the server im on now?22:45
bob__SiDi I tried, it says it can't save it to the x.org file, whats also odd is that it doesn't show all the options for res and refreshrate it does when connected to my mac or my windows boxes22:45
knomeit can. but by default it doesn't create a new server window for you22:45
knomeMTec007, with /connect, no22:45
MTec007oh cool22:46
MTec007now if only i can get facebook to let me use elinks lol22:46
bob__screen is an IBM G78 <SiDi>22:46
bob__er...22:46
MTec007i have one of those!22:46
bob__http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/MIGR-4MBTHP.html22:46
MTec007unfortunatly the screen on mine is all scratched up so i only use it on my windows box22:47
bob__MTec007 oh? I was given this one, well it was forced on me when I bought a few parts at the local uni's comp parts sale, told me I couldn't not take the CRT screen lol22:48
MTec007i got mine from a computer fleamarket years  ago for $20  and its the only monitor i own lol22:49
MTec007being the only monitor i own i wish it wasnt a crt22:51
knome:P22:52
knomebuy a new one22:52
* SiDi has a screen compatible with linux but not with windows :|22:53
knomeSiDi, i like that screen already22:53
MTec007indeed22:53
MTec007any one else read ./ about the whole microsoft supporting linux drivers or something to that effect?22:54
MTec007i smell a scam.22:54
vinnlMTec007, you can change the root password with sudo, but best practise is really to just use sudo22:55
SiDiMTec007: they wrote linux support for their virtual machine software's virtual-hardware22:55
vinnlAnd yeah, I read about Microsoft writing a driver and getting it integrated, don't really think it's suspicious or anything22:55
SiDithey did it so that they could FINALLY support linux boxes in their virtualisation app22:56
SiDicause at the moment they get owned by VMWare and xev22:56
SiDibecause of large companies who need both linux and windows22:56
MTec007vinnl: wouldn i need the current root password to do so?22:56
vinnlMTec007, no, because you can use sudo to perform actions as root22:57
vinnlThus, you can use the passwd command22:57
vinnlThough it might be that they performed some other precautions recently, you might want to check wiki.ubuntu.com22:57
MTec007well i can say i work for a huge and very successful online retailer that could not use linux22:57
vinnlIn fact, Microsoft had already written those drivers, they just weren't fully open source nor integrated into the mainline kernel22:58
MTec007er, online and offline as well22:58
MTec007they have a lot of system specific programs that are programmed in VB6, they use RF equipment that runs win/ce22:59
MTec007as well as vb6 activex controls for intranet system managment22:59
* MTec007 seems to have driven everyone away, most likely culprit is boredom23:02
MTec007so is the su password unset, thus preventing login? or is it preset?23:07
vinnlPreset23:10
MTec007i assume its random and not the same on all systems?23:12
zoredacheit is disabled... not preset...23:15
vinnlRandom, yes. Or at least, it was a long while ago :P23:16
zoredachelook at /etc/shadow...  the value in the password field is usually '*'23:16
zoredachethat means you can't login...23:16
zoredachethere is no real reason to use 'su', you can do pretty much everything with sudo23:18
MTec007ok23:21

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