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[01:01] <owen1> can i install the 64 bit on a macbook pro?
[01:34] <owen1> it's intel core 2 duo.
[01:52] <nicklas_> hello
[01:53] <owen1> nicklas_: hi
[01:53] <owen1> anyone tried installing xubuntu on macbookpro?
[01:59] <Simetrical> owen1, it should install fine on any Intel machine.  Core 2 Duo supports 64-bit.
[02:00] <owen1> Simetrical: great. i see a tutorial for ubuntu. is there anything for xubuntu?
[02:00] <Simetrical> I'd *assume* the exact same steps should work.
[02:02] <owen1> ok. the only 'risk' is competability issues. there is a nice table showing the differnt features and how to fix them after u install ubuntu.
[02:02] <owen1> ypical PC contains). With this change, a different partition table scheme (GPT) is used on the hard drive. The
[02:02] <owen1>  wonder if there is similar stuff for xubuntu
[02:03] <nicklas_> owen1, xubuntu is ubuntu but with xfce instead of gnome
[02:03] <owen1> true
[02:20] <Simetrical> There should be no differences that are that low-level.
[02:54] <Alfa> Hello, I'm new to the linux world, but I'm trying to figure out what the difference is between XUbuntu and Ubuntu
[02:55] <Simetrical> Alfa, different desktop environment.  Kind of hard to explain if you don't know what that means.  All the programs are the same, just the operating system interface is somewhat different, basically.
[02:55] <Alfa> what about hardware support?
[02:55] <R1cochet> xubuntu uses XFCE4 and ubuntu uses gnome
[02:55] <R1cochet> xfce is supposed to be lighter on resources
[02:55] <R1cochet> same hw support as far as i know
[02:56] <Simetrical> Alfa, theoretically identical.  However, it's possible that one will allow you easier access to the hardware through GUIs.
[02:56] <Simetrical> I had to use xrandr from the command line to get multiple monitors working on Xubuntu, when they worked out of the box on Ubuntu.
[02:56] <Simetrical> Or rather, Ubuntu's GUI worked, Xubuntu didn't.
[02:57] <Simetrical> (for using the extra monitor)
[02:59] <Alfa> I'm running an old P3, and so far I only have two hardware issues, video card and input from the sound card. That's why  I wanted to know more of which is better
[02:59] <Alfa> and really which one is better on old machines
[03:00] <Simetrical> Xubuntu should run faster on old machines.
[03:01] <Simetrical> Video/sound card issues should theoretically be identical between them.
[03:03] <Alfa> how is Xubuntu better on old machines? just uses less resources or what?
[03:03] <Simetrical> Yes, it uses less resources.
[03:03] <Simetrical> In theory it has fewer features as well, but I've barely noticed.
[03:04] <Simetrical> (actually, I'm not even totally sure that's the theory)
[03:06] <Alfa> so theoretically, if Ubuntu gliches up a little, XUbuntu will probably have the same issues?
[03:09] <Simetrical> It depends on what sort of issues.
[03:10] <Simetrical> But yes, probably.
[03:11] <Alfa> After an hour or so, or forum surfing, my texts begin looking like Futurama letters
[03:12] <Alfa> and my computer begins to bog down
[03:21] <Alfa> well thnx anyways. I'll continue my quest for a decent os
[03:39] <owen1> i insert the ubuntu 64bit into macbookpro and hit 'c' key (to boot from cd). i see grey screen, frozen.  any hints?
[04:04] <whitesmith> Hey all...  I'm having a small issue where I can't see the menus that are usually (and by default) at the top and bottom of the screen.  :s
[04:05] <whitesmith> Any ideas as to what I need to do to get them back?
[04:09] <Jmns> hello
[04:09] <Jmns> I have a small issue
[04:09] <Jmns> everytime I reboot xubuntu forgets my screen resolution
[04:09] <Jmns> it's the latest release
[04:09] <Jmns> does anyone know why is this?
[04:10] <vinoman> hi
[04:12] <vinoman> what type video do you have? may need drivers.
[04:12] <Jmns> it's an ati radeon
[04:12] <maduser> you need the restricted drivers
[04:13] <maduser> its in the hardware devices manager
[04:13] <Jmns> it has compiz enable so, I don't think its drivers
[04:13] <maduser> go to setting>hardware devices
[04:13] <whitesmith> I'm having a small issue where I can't see the menus that are usually (and by default) at the top and bottom of the screen.  Any ideas as to what I need to do to get them back?
[04:13] <Simetrical> It always forgets my monitor configuration.  I just put this in ~/bin/fixres and run it from a terminal on every startup: xrandr --newmode 1280x1024_80 148.50  1280 1368 1504 1728  1024 1027 1034 1075 -hsync +vsync; xrandr --addmode VGA1 1280x1024_80; xrandr --output VGA2 --left-of VGA1 --mode 1280x1024 --output VGA1 --mode 1280x1024_80
[04:14] <Simetrical> Kind of stupid, but oh well, I don't reboot often anyway.
[04:14] <maduser> Jmns sorry hardware drivers
[04:14] <Jmns> maduser yeah, it says i'm not using private drivers nor list them
[04:14] <vinoman> whitesmith: try this. $ xfce4-panel &
[04:15] <Jmns> in gnome it list the ati driver I need
[04:15] <maduser> Jmns then i got nothing
[04:15] <Jmns> I mean, I had gnome and xfce and gnome found the drivers and ask if I want to install them, xfce didn't
[04:16] <vinoman> whitesmith: do you have Compiz enabled? You may want to disable the log back in. that may restore the taskbars
[04:16] <whitesmith> xfce4-panel & worked.
[04:16] <vinoman> great
[04:17] <whitesmith> I'm not sure if I have Compiz enabled, or what it even does, sorry...
[04:17] <whitesmith> But thank you very much for getting that back for me.
[04:17] <whitesmith> If I save the session, will it come back on restart for me, or...?
[04:18] <Jmns> I'm having another issue, when I try to mount a windows partition the partition editor says "The enclosing drive for the volume is locked."
[04:18] <vinoman> no problem. Compiz fusion if enabled can do many desktop effects. like the cube or scales, they can also trip things up sometimes.
[04:19] <whitesmith> Ahh...  I don't think I have that enabled, then.
[04:19] <vinoman> whitesmith: try it and see when you reboot, but it may not need it.
[04:20] <whitesmith> I mostly use this computer as a work-from-home computer, so it's all about productivity.
[04:20] <whitesmith> Alright, thank you.
[04:20] <whitesmith> I'll be back to let you know if saving the session makes it work on reboot.
[04:20] <Simetrical> My weather applet has been saying "Cannot update weather data" for days now.  Any ideas on how to fix that?
[04:21] <vinoman> Xubuntu 9.04 is very good at that. I've installed it on four PCs this month for new Linux users and they all are very happy!
[04:22] <n2diy> how do I pass my passwd to a cron job, when starting an grsync/ssh session?
[04:23] <Simetrical> n2diy, you can use public-key authentication and ssh-agent.
[04:23] <Simetrical> Or just put your password in a plaintext file, but that's obviously not so secure.
[04:23] <n2diy> Simetrical: I'm have the same trouble here , on two machines.
[04:24] <Simetrical> I guess the weather source died?  How do we switch to a different one?
[04:24] <Simetrical> Maybe it will require an update.
[04:24] <n2diy> Simetrical: I am using authentication, and that is why ssh is asking for the passwd.
[04:25] <n2diy> I'm trying to automate the gsync process, so I don't have to be here to give my passwd.
[04:25] <Simetrical> n2diy, you're using a password, or private key with passphrase?  If a password, you'll have to just read the password from a file.  If a passphrase, use ssh-agent unless it needs to be working instantly on reboot.
[04:25] <cody-somerville> Simetrical, we're working on a fix
[04:25] <Simetrical> cody-somerville, ah, good to hear.
[04:25] <cody-somerville> Simetrical, or more correctly we've fixed the issue and it'll be deployed ASAP
[04:26] <n2diy> Simetrical: ok, I'll have to do some more research, thanks.
[04:26] <owen1> i am going to install ubuntu 32bit on 64bit mac.  someone told me the only difference is i'll only have 3.8 gig memory instead of 4.  is it accurate and is there anything else i should care about?
[04:26] <Simetrical> owen1, more like 3 GB than 3.8 GB.  Might depend on your hardware.  32-bit runs some programs better, or at least used to, and compiling some things is easier.
[04:27] <owen1> Simetrical: great, so maybe i should stick to 32?
[04:27] <Simetrical> I dunno, I'm doing that for now.
[04:27] <Simetrical> For my desktop, I mean.  For nontrivial servers 64-bit is usually essential.
[04:28] <owen1> Simetrical: btw, according to the wiki I should also convert the HD partition format to MBR (from EFI).  should i follow that too? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MactelSupportTeam/AppleIntelInstallation
[04:29] <whitesmith> Thank you very much again, vinoman!
[04:30] <whitesmith> It worked perfectly.  :p
[04:37] <owen1> Simetrical: before I am doing it, did u converted it to MBR as well?
[04:43] <owen1> ok. i did it and installing xubuntu"
[04:43] <owen1> !
[04:54] <owen1> should i install the Mactel packages?
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[05:57] <danopia> <Simetrical> owen1, more like 3 GB than 3.8 GB.  Might depend on your hardware.  32-bit runs some programs better, or at least used to, and compiling some things is easier.
[05:57] <danopia> i get 3.2
[05:57] <danopia> 3290 MiB
[06:17] <HGF> hello
[06:17] <HGF> is anyone out there available to help with a problem?
[06:20] <R1cochet> state the problem and someone should help shortly if they can
[06:21] <HGF> thanks,
[06:21] <HGF> i installed 9.04 (new to linux). i am looking to get rid of that annoying system beep when, for example, backspacing in pidgin with no text etc
[06:22] <HGF> i have seen some solutions on the web but am unsure how to implement them b/c i am unfamiliar with the terminal
[06:30] <HGF> one solution from google said "sudo nano -w /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist" then add "blacklist pcspkr" to the file
[06:30] <HGF>  i typed the first part in the terminal, it asked for password, and then i cant figure out how to "add" that last part
[06:30] <R1cochet> u can do that
[06:30] <R1cochet> but
[06:30] <R1cochet> im not sure how to use nano in terminal
[06:31] <R1cochet> i personally use gedit
[06:31] <HGF> kk
[06:31] <R1cochet> download gedit from synaptic
[06:31] <HGF> im willing to try
[06:31] <HGF> um
[06:31] <R1cochet> u know where synaptic is?
[06:31] <HGF> i think so hold on
[06:31] <R1cochet> app>system>synaptic
[06:31] <HGF> kk
[06:32] <R1cochet> install synaptic
[06:32] <HGF> isnt it already on here
[06:32] <HGF> you mean gedit?
[06:32] <R1cochet> yea gedit
[06:33] <HGF> i found it and marked for install or something
[06:34] <R1cochet> perfect
[06:34] <R1cochet> now click apply
[06:34] <HGF> kk
[06:34] <R1cochet> it will dl and install for u
[06:34] <HGF> its going
[06:35] <R1cochet> then once its installed use the same command in terminal but replace nano -w with gedit
[06:35] <HGF> installing now
[06:36] <R1cochet> make sure u place the blacklist pcspkr in the right section
[06:36] <R1cochet> i think it matters
[06:37] <R1cochet> then save and exit
[06:37] <R1cochet> next time u start ur pc u shouldnt hear that annoying ass beep
[06:38] <HGF> k installed
[06:38] <HGF> so sudo nano -w /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist becomes....
[06:38] <HGF> gedit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[06:38] <HGF> do i not need the -w ?
[06:39] <R1cochet> no need
[06:40] <HGF> hrm
[06:40] <R1cochet> the -w is an option for nano
[06:40] <HGF> so i did it
[06:40] <HGF> and its an empty file
[06:40] <R1cochet> and?
[06:40] <R1cochet> really
[06:40] <HGF> with only that line
[06:40] <R1cochet> what line?
[06:41] <HGF> blacklist pcspkr
[06:41] <HGF> i tried putting in in before with the other instructions i followed
[06:41] <HGF> so maybe it worked
[06:41] <R1cochet> well maybe not
[06:41] <HGF> but there is nothing else in there
[06:41] <HGF> just that line
[06:41] <R1cochet> i tried that command and i have a blank file also
[06:41] <R1cochet> not sure if thats where i put the blcklist myself
[06:41] <R1cochet> gimme a sec
[06:41] <HGF> kk thanks so much
[06:42] <R1cochet> i know i put it in a file w/ lots of text
[06:42] <HGF> so many programs create that darn BEEP
[06:42] <HGF> i cant stand it
[06:42] <HGF> makes me jump , its so loud
[06:44] <R1cochet> aha i found it
[06:44] <R1cochet> yep its annoying
[06:44] <R1cochet> u need to:.......
[06:45] <R1cochet> sudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[06:45] <R1cochet> then add "blacklist pcspkr" on the last line
[06:45] <R1cochet> save and exit
[06:46] <HGF> done
[06:47] <HGF> now restart?
[06:48] <R1cochet> yep id u want to right now
[06:48] <R1cochet> if*
[06:48] <HGF> thanks so much R1cochet
[06:48] <R1cochet> it wont take effect until restart
[06:48] <HGF> i will restart and keep my fingers crossed
[06:48] <R1cochet> there are other ways to blacklist for the time being
[06:48] <R1cochet> if u dont want to restart
[06:48] <HGF> oh?
[06:48] <R1cochet> yea but they are only temp
[06:48] <HGF> i can restart
[06:48] <R1cochet> and i havent tried them
[06:49] <R1cochet> i would prolly just restart
[06:49] <HGF> i will be back if it persists ;)
[06:49] <R1cochet> and make sure it worked :)
[06:49] <R1cochet> gl
[06:49] <HGF> thanks so much
[06:49] <R1cochet> np
[06:49] <HGF> i have one last question
[06:49] <HGF> but this is just general
[06:49] <R1cochet> shoot
[06:49] <HGF> i have a dell 600m that i am running this on
[06:49] <HGF> quite old
[06:49] <HGF> it has some hardware buttons for sound (mute + louder/quieter)
[06:50] <HGF> dedicated buttons i should say
[06:50] <HGF> am i to assume these can not be set in xubuntu
[06:51] <R1cochet> ahh but they can :)
[06:51] <R1cochet> had the same issue myself
[06:51] <R1cochet> on 8.10 they were autoset but on 9.04 i had to add them
[06:51] <R1cochet> easy fix
[06:51] <R1cochet> gimme a sec
[06:51] <HGF> wow thanks
[06:51] <R1cochet> have an issue on another channel
[06:52] <HGF> kk ill wait :)
[06:53] <R1cochet> ok
[06:53] <R1cochet> apps>settings>xfce settings
[06:53] <R1cochet> keyboard> apps shortcuts
[06:53] <R1cochet> tab
[06:54] <HGF> k im there
[06:55] <HGF> guessing i will have to "add"
[06:55] <R1cochet> yep
[06:55] <R1cochet> just a sec plz
[06:55] <HGF> kk :)
[06:56] <R1cochet> k sry
[06:57] <HGF> no worries!
[06:57] <R1cochet> tryng to connect to another net and its not letting me
[06:57] <R1cochet> ok so
[06:59] <R1cochet> for mute button: click add
[06:59] <R1cochet> command is: amixer -c 0 sset Master toggle
[06:59] <R1cochet> then hit ur mute button
[06:59] <R1cochet> volume up:  amixer -c 0 sset Master 5+
[06:59] <R1cochet> that will increase by 5
[07:00] <R1cochet> u can change 5 to whatever increments u like
[07:00] <R1cochet> volume down: amixer -c 0 sset Master 5-
[07:00] <R1cochet> add those 3 and u should be set for volume controls
[07:02] <HGF> perfeeeeeect
[07:02] <R1cochet> cool
[07:02] <R1cochet> also
[07:02] <R1cochet> u just installed correct?
[07:02] <HGF> works great
[07:02] <HGF> yes
[07:02] <HGF> just last night
[07:02] <R1cochet> theres a couple packages u might want to get
[07:03] <R1cochet> xubuntu-restricted-extras
[07:03] <HGF> i went through like 113 updates yesterday lol
[07:03] <R1cochet> that should give u java, flash, and codecs for medias
[07:03] <R1cochet> lol i bet
[07:03] <HGF> oh i did flash myself
[07:03] <HGF> i did some codecs too
[07:03] <R1cochet> asl o u will want to search for dvd playback
[07:04] <HGF> the video player wont playback dvd?
[07:04] <R1cochet> not right now it wont
[07:04] <R1cochet> not if its a locked dvd
[07:04] <HGF> where do i go to search
[07:04] <HGF> for dvd playback
[07:05] <R1cochet> google
[07:06] <R1cochet> but i already did 4 u
[07:06] <R1cochet> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Jaunty#CDs_and_DVDs
[07:06] <R1cochet> use that and cntrl-f "dvd
[07:06] <R1cochet> "
[07:06] <R1cochet> click the link it hilights and u should see "CD's and DVDs"
[07:07] <R1cochet> "DVD playback capability"
[07:07] <R1cochet> wait nvm
[07:07] <R1cochet> dont use that link
[07:07] <R1cochet> theres a better one somewhere
[07:08] <HGF> hah i was about to say
[07:08] <HGF> this all looks greek to me
[07:10] <R1cochet> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[07:10] <R1cochet> follow that tutorial
[07:10] <R1cochet> u should be fine
[07:10] <R1cochet> u can always just copy and paste the codes :)
[07:10] <R1cochet> into terminal
[07:11] <R1cochet> just follow instructions for ubuntu 9.04
[07:11] <HGF> kk :)
[07:13] <HGF> done
[07:13] <HGF> now t he included video player will also do DVD?
[07:13] <HGF> or do you think i need to get another video player like VLC?
[07:16] <HGF> regardless , i learned a lot today. thanks so much!
[07:16] <HGF> off to bed i go
[09:48] <techie> anyone have an ATI Radeon 9600 working under Ubuntu? (or an X1050) feel free to PM me
[10:10] <Rugxulo> officially logged, oh noes
[10:10]  * Rugxulo tells Amazon.com to delete it behind everyone's back ...
[10:13] <Rugxulo> anybody actually here?
[10:13] <techie> do i count?
[10:13] <Rugxulo> just curious ... no pressure    :-P
[10:13] <Rugxulo> probably
[10:13] <techie> yay
[10:13]  * Rugxulo starts the census a half year early ...
[12:08] <Arkenion> hi
[13:32] <Pres-Gas> Whoops
[13:56] <crazygir> having upgraded from 8.10 to 9.04, (u)mounting fails with priviledge errors
[13:58] <crazygir> I haven't seen any similar problems mentioned online
[14:00] <homebrewcider> network manager icon shows me as not being connected, but I obviously am, cos I'm here, anyone else have this problem?
[14:01] <gaurdro> homebrewcider, what release are you running?  (8.04,8.10 etc)
[14:02] <homebrewcider> sorrry, 9.04
[14:04] <gaurdro> I haven't seen it on 9.04 but I have that issue in 8.04.3 when there is a lot of wireless connections and a wired connection.
[14:34] <Raggs_> hi all, is there a way to get wireless to work at login without having to enter my password?
[14:43] <crazygir> anyone else with mounting/sudo problems after upgrading to 9.04?
[17:16] <william56> hey, anyone know how i can get a path bar in rox-filer ?
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[18:28] <crazygir> when trying to mount a usb device, I get: Xlib:  extension "Generic Event Extension" missing on display ":0.0".
[18:28] <crazygir> IsCallerPrivileged() failed.
[18:29] <crazygir> this is after upgrading to 9.04 from 8.10, anyone else run into this issue or have suggestions?
[18:48] <meneses> hi!
[18:49] <vinnl> !hi
[18:49] <meneses> so I tried to install the propietary drivers of my ati radeon graphic card, and the X just went to hell
[18:50] <ubottu> Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu!
[18:51] <vinnl> Took your time ubottu
[18:51] <meneses> so vinnl, my xubuntu never remember the screen resolution when I reboot
[18:52] <meneses> so I tried installing the ati drivers
[18:52] <meneses> and it didn't work
[18:52] <meneses> I install them out of the repos
[18:55] <vinnl> Hmm, sounds like a problem someone had here recently... Not sure if he solved it - I wouldn't know how to, anyway :(
[18:55] <vinnl> But if you wait around someone might come around that does
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[19:51] <Araneidae> Here's an amusing (if annoying) xfce4-panel bug:
[19:51] <ochosi> Araneidae, there are xfce-panel bugs? :D
[19:52] <Araneidae> If I open more applications in the bit that tracks them, the panel tries to grow wider than the screen!
[19:52] <Araneidae> Perish the thought, eh?
[19:52] <Araneidae> Means all the stuff on the rhs falls off the screen...
[19:52] <ochosi> using task-list? icon-box?
[19:53] <Araneidae> Dunno, to be honest.  How do I find out?  Just the usual list of open apps with a little icon for each
[19:54] <ochosi> hm, well right-click the area and click "properties" and see
[19:54] <ochosi> what version of xubuntu are you using anyways?
[19:54] <Araneidae> Think it must be Task List
[19:54] <Araneidae> 9.04
[19:54] <Araneidae> up to date, too
[19:54] <ochosi> yeah, i think task list is the standard
[19:54] <ochosi> are you using more than one monitor?
[19:55] <Araneidae> Yes, indeed, and it's on the lhs
[19:55] <ochosi> ah right
[19:55] <Araneidae> In other words, I think it's trying to (invisibly) grow into the rh monitor
[19:55] <ochosi> hm, well, the problem is i only have one monitor here (now) and can't really test this
[19:56] <ochosi> have you dug around bugzilla.xfce.org yet?
[19:57] <Araneidae> I've got a fair collection of standard widgets in my panel: the menus, the task list, a sound control, an Xfapplet embedded gnome widget, a space that shows little popups, the workspace switcher, and the time of day.
[19:58] <Araneidae> Only just found the bug, I'll have a look there.
[19:59] <Araneidae> hard to think of sensible search strings!
[20:01] <Araneidae> Looks promising: http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3332
[20:01] <Araneidae> ... but not quite the same :(
[20:03] <Araneidae> Or maybe: http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5045
[20:05] <Araneidae> Hahaha: setting "Use all available space" in the Task List configuration seems to fix the issue!
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[22:34] <MTec007> I am able to sudo, but I am unable to locate the password for su. is there a default? its not the same as the sudo password/my user login
[22:34] <th0r> MTec007: use 'sudo su'
[22:34] <th0r> MTec007: and your password
[22:35] <MTec007> i cant just type su?
[22:35] <th0r> MTec007: not  in ubuntu
[22:35] <MTec007> oh thats a shame
[22:36] <MTec007> ok so is there a console replacement for pidgin?
[22:36] <th0r> irssi
[22:36] <MTec007> im using irssi now
[22:37] <MTec007> for instant messaging aim, msn yahoo
[22:38] <MTec007> i have naim and i love the way it works but its not for msn or yahoo.
[22:39] <bob__> Hi, how do I get my resolution and screen Hz to stick since I installed the nvidia drivers? since installing them every time I  turn off the box I get reset down to 800x600 @6 0Hz
[22:39] <th0r> bob__: if you know the numbers you can add the resolution to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:43] <SiDi> bob__: try nvidia-settings
[22:43] <SiDi> it should write the settings to your xorg.conf without pain
[22:44] <MTec007> any one know how to open a new server window in irssi?
[22:44] <knome> why would you want several server windows?
[22:44] <MTec007> i like being on more than one server at a time?
[22:44] <knome> use /connect
[22:44] <MTec007> i thought irssi could handle that
[22:45] <knome> there's no need for another server window
[22:45] <MTec007> it doesnt disconnect the server im on now?
[22:45] <bob__> SiDi I tried, it says it can't save it to the x.org file, whats also odd is that it doesn't show all the options for res and refreshrate it does when connected to my mac or my windows boxes
[22:45] <knome> it can. but by default it doesn't create a new server window for you
[22:45] <knome> MTec007, with /connect, no
[22:46] <MTec007> oh cool
[22:46] <MTec007> now if only i can get facebook to let me use elinks lol
[22:46] <bob__> screen is an IBM G78 <SiDi>
[22:46] <bob__> er...
[22:46] <MTec007> i have one of those!
[22:46] <bob__> http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/MIGR-4MBTHP.html
[22:47] <MTec007> unfortunatly the screen on mine is all scratched up so i only use it on my windows box
[22:48] <bob__> MTec007 oh? I was given this one, well it was forced on me when I bought a few parts at the local uni's comp parts sale, told me I couldn't not take the CRT screen lol
[22:49] <MTec007> i got mine from a computer fleamarket years  ago for $20  and its the only monitor i own lol
[22:51] <MTec007> being the only monitor i own i wish it wasnt a crt
[22:52] <knome> :P
[22:52] <knome> buy a new one
[22:53]  * SiDi has a screen compatible with linux but not with windows :|
[22:53] <knome> SiDi, i like that screen already
[22:53] <MTec007> indeed
[22:54] <MTec007> any one else read ./ about the whole microsoft supporting linux drivers or something to that effect?
[22:54] <MTec007> i smell a scam.
[22:55] <vinnl> MTec007, you can change the root password with sudo, but best practise is really to just use sudo
[22:55] <SiDi> MTec007: they wrote linux support for their virtual machine software's virtual-hardware
[22:55] <vinnl> And yeah, I read about Microsoft writing a driver and getting it integrated, don't really think it's suspicious or anything
[22:56] <SiDi> they did it so that they could FINALLY support linux boxes in their virtualisation app
[22:56] <SiDi> cause at the moment they get owned by VMWare and xev
[22:56] <SiDi> because of large companies who need both linux and windows
[22:56] <MTec007> vinnl: wouldn i need the current root password to do so?
[22:57] <vinnl> MTec007, no, because you can use sudo to perform actions as root
[22:57] <vinnl> Thus, you can use the passwd command
[22:57] <vinnl> Though it might be that they performed some other precautions recently, you might want to check wiki.ubuntu.com
[22:57] <MTec007> well i can say i work for a huge and very successful online retailer that could not use linux
[22:58] <vinnl> In fact, Microsoft had already written those drivers, they just weren't fully open source nor integrated into the mainline kernel
[22:58] <MTec007> er, online and offline as well
[22:59] <MTec007> they have a lot of system specific programs that are programmed in VB6, they use RF equipment that runs win/ce
[22:59] <MTec007> as well as vb6 activex controls for intranet system managment
[23:02]  * MTec007 seems to have driven everyone away, most likely culprit is boredom
[23:07] <MTec007> so is the su password unset, thus preventing login? or is it preset?
[23:10] <vinnl> Preset
[23:12] <MTec007> i assume its random and not the same on all systems?
[23:15] <zoredache> it is disabled... not preset...
[23:16] <vinnl> Random, yes. Or at least, it was a long while ago :P
[23:16] <zoredache> look at /etc/shadow...  the value in the password field is usually '*'
[23:16] <zoredache> that means you can't login...
[23:18] <zoredache> there is no real reason to use 'su', you can do pretty much everything with sudo
[23:21] <MTec007> ok