| JontheEchidna | The patches add a few new query syntaxes plus handling for them, so I introducing them won't hurt existing functionality at all. They should be safe to include in the official packages | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| Quintasan | I guess I'll make it compile for now. | 00:03 |
| Quintasan | and wait for RC3 | 00:03 |
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| neversfelde | maco: a bilbo package is in my ppa | 00:07 |
| neversfelde | btw. it needs a second advocate? | 00:07 |
| neversfelde | well, seems that this is not a new info :) | 00:10 |
| ScottK-palm | Anyone do any iso testing yet? | 00:25 |
| maco | neversfelde: i just pbuilder'd what you have on revu. and im not able to advocate, though i can confirm it builds just dandy | 00:26 |
| neversfelde | maco: :) | 00:27 |
| neversfelde | It is alpha freeze afaik, so it is not so urgent | 00:28 |
| JontheEchidna | alpha freeze only applies to main | 00:28 |
| JontheEchidna | universe is free for uploading | 00:28 |
| neversfelde | did not know it | 00:30 |
| neversfelde | so it is urgent :D | 00:30 |
| maco | aaaaaaaaand it just crashed | 00:31 |
| neversfelde | maco: you should report it to @mtux on identi.ca | 00:31 |
| neversfelde | or just !bilbo | 00:32 |
| maco | crashed and spewed a "temporary" post to my blog | 00:32 |
| neversfelde | maco: I tested 0.9 with wordpress, it worked | 00:33 |
| neversfelde | the version on revu is a beta1, so this is probably a problem | 00:33 |
| maco | im trying with blogger since the wordpress i intend to use it on is not yet configured for post-from-app | 00:33 |
| maco | when i clicked "get style" or whatever bilbo calls that button, it crashed | 00:34 |
| maco | any chance you know what Q_Q() means in qt stuff? | 00:39 |
| Riddell | ScottK: installing i386 now | 00:50 |
| Riddell | !ninjas | 00:53 |
| ubottu | Help! apachelogger, Arby, devfil, JontheEchidna, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, tsimpson, vorian | 00:53 |
| Riddell | "KDE 4.3 RC3 tarballs uploaded" | 00:53 |
| Riddell | to be made public in 12 hours | 00:54 |
| JontheEchidna | tight operation, but at least we have a bit o' warning | 00:55 |
| JontheEchidna | TO THE BATCAVE | 00:55 |
| neversfelde | 12h thats really a lot of time :) | 00:56 |
| JontheEchidna | hopefully things go perfect on the first build (no moved files, etc) | 00:58 |
| Riddell | kubuntu-devel post From: Chris <chris062689@gmail.com> looks suspicious (or incompetant) | 00:58 |
| Nightrose | Riddell: it should likely be a reply to seele's post | 01:14 |
| Nightrose | but yea | 01:14 |
| Riddell | i386 desktop CD seems good for alpha | 01:16 |
| shtylman | Riddell: I don't know what else to do about the installer :) | 01:34 |
| Riddell | shtylman: I'll try it again tomorrow now that I have karmic installing | 01:35 |
| shtylman | k...if it doesn't work... well... jesus... I have no idea | 01:35 |
| shtylman | I will ask someone else to try it for sanity sake | 01:35 |
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| ScottK | Riddell: Do you know who to ping to get Kubuntu on the ISO tracker? | 02:55 |
| vorian | yo | 03:12 |
| Gon | anyone using KDE 4.3 RC2 ? | 03:59 |
| ScottK | Gon: It's in Karmic and one of the Jaunty PPAs. Lots of us using it. | 04:03 |
| Gon | on login, plasma desktop scan my wallpaper-diretories | 04:09 |
| Gon | but... | 04:09 |
| Gon | why appears a dialog showing a progress bar? | 04:09 |
| Gon | in 4.2.4 did the same, but silently. | 04:10 |
| ScottK | I don't know. I don't recall seeing that. | 04:11 |
| Gon | I'm using Presentation mode for wallpapers... | 04:12 |
| ScottK | No suggestions. Sorry. | 04:12 |
| Gon | Well, I think that dialogue is widely | 04:13 |
| Gon | one more thing... | 04:42 |
| Gon | kde microblog plasmoid doesn't show my friends updates from twitter | 04:42 |
| Gon | D: | 04:42 |
| maco | what is "\reimp" besides the most useless excuse for documentation ever? | 04:51 |
| DaskreeCH | Gon: It used to? | 05:05 |
| Gon | ? | 05:06 |
| DaskreeCH | Show your friends? | 05:26 |
| Gon | only show my updates | 05:27 |
| maco | heh it doesnt show anything at all for me | 05:32 |
| maco | my avatar and a textbox that it won't let me type in. that's all | 05:32 |
| * ScottK suggests filing upstream bugs. | 05:51 | |
| ScottK | What's the name of the widget we use for showing the 'desktop'? | 06:05 |
| DaskreeCH | show Desktop widget? | 06:26 |
| ScottK | folderview | 06:42 |
| DaskreeCH | what? | 06:42 |
| ScottK | The folderview widget is the one I couldn't remember before. | 06:43 |
| ScottK | Sorry. It's late and I'm tired. | 06:43 |
| DaskreeCH | oh that kind of showing desktp | 06:43 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 06:43 |
| ScottK | If anyone could look at today's Live CD (desktop and/or netbook) and see if they could replicate Bug #402877 or Bug #402878 that would be good. | 06:47 |
| * ScottK goes to collapse. | 06:48 | |
| ScottK | rickspencer3-afk: ^^ | 06:48 |
| ScottK | oops | 06:48 |
| ScottK | meant Riddell^^^ | 06:48 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 402877 in ubiquity "Ubiquity crashed with NotImplementedError: ubiquity.fronted.kde_ui.Wizard does not implement ma_get_choices" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/402877 | 06:49 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 402878 in kubuntu-netbook-default-settings "Folderview (with install icon) missing for live desktop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/402878 | 06:49 |
| Tonio_ | ola | 08:30 |
| Riddell | ScottK: are you sure you used the latest desktop CDs? the ones from yesterday morning had those problems but not the ones from European evening | 09:58 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: I didn't think it was fixed till this mornings not last nights? | 10:03 |
| davmor2 | I could be wrong though | 10:03 |
| Riddell | davmor2: what was fixed this morning? | 10:03 |
| davmor2 | updated ubiquity isn't it. | 10:04 |
| ryanakca | Could an Italophone please look over http://pastebin.ca/1503026 ? | 11:17 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: ^^ :) | 11:18 |
| Mamarok | this is driving me mad: my video card works like a charm in Gnome, but not in KDE, is it an upstream problem? dfaure seems to have the same problem than I have | 11:19 |
| Mamarok | just tried, so either it's our packages, or it's KDE, but that's a huge bug IMHO | 11:19 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: :) | 11:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I don't speak itilian unfortunatelly :) | 11:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: only my grand parents did :) | 11:23 |
| Mamarok | ryanakca: I'll have a look, moment | 11:24 |
| Mamarok | ryanakca: looks good, is there nothing named kubuntu in Italy? | 11:27 |
| Riddell | Mamarok: does KDM show? | 11:32 |
| Riddell | Mamarok: is this something new? | 11:34 |
| sebas | Mamarok: what doesn't work? | 11:35 |
| Mamarok | Riddell: no, I was never able to run the fglrx driver in KDE since Jaunty RC1, and just ried in Gnome and it works! | 11:35 |
| sebas | What happens when you try? | 11:36 |
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| ScottK | Riddell: I probably had the older one then. | 11:38 |
| * ScottK starts another download. | 11:38 | |
| Mamarok | sebas: can't start KDE, everything freezes on login | 11:39 |
| sebas | ugh | 11:39 |
| Mamarok | works without problems with the radeon driver, but I can't ue OpenGL with that driver, only XRander | 11:39 |
| sebas | What graphicschip do you use? | 11:40 |
| * Mamarok has a ATI HD3650 | 11:40 | |
| sebas | I used to use the fglrx driver, but I'm now on the Free radeon one | 11:40 |
| sebas | Hm, dunno if the Free driver supports that chip | 11:40 |
| sebas | Does it? :) | 11:40 |
| Mamarok | sebas: well, the fglrx did till Jaunty alpha six or so | 11:41 |
| Mamarok | don't remember what changed then, either the xorg version or the fglrx one | 11:41 |
| Mamarok | sebas: as I said, I use the radeon driver, but have no 3D unforutnately with it, so only basic de stuff with XRander | 11:42 |
| sebas | Hm, I think 3d support for those chips just landed upstream, so it'll take a bit | 11:42 |
| Mamarok | sebas: what puzzles me more is that, with the same driver and xorg, compisiting works like a charm in Gnome | 11:44 |
| Mamarok | compositing* | 11:44 |
| Mamarok | all 3D enabled, no freezes, just like it should work in KDE, but it doesn't, using 4.2.96 here | 11:44 |
| Mamarok | KDE still freezes on startup when DE is enabled | 11:45 |
| sebas | likely we or Qt are hitting a rendering path that's not being used by gnome (compiz?), and which hasn't been tested | 11:45 |
| Mamarok | worth exploring that path I would say, as we have had numerous reports with ATI cards failing on KDE with desktop effects, even basic transparency | 11:49 |
| sebas | Well, the path ends quickly as fglrx.ko doesn't provide source | 12:02 |
| raving | есть тут кто? | 12:52 |
| ryanakca | Mamarok: No clue, I just got an email asking we put it up on the website under Community & Support, I didn't know if it was just a pile of bogus or if it was good content. | 12:56 |
| Mamarok | ryanakca: well, it's instruction son where ot find help for Kubuntu in Italian, but what puzzles me is that there is nothing really Kubuntu specific, all links point to ubuntu links. | 12:59 |
| ryanakca | Ah, yes, I see. | 12:59 |
| ryanakca | Mamarok: I can stick up #kubuntu-it , it's a redirect to #ubuntu-it ... | 13:00 |
| seaLne | Riddell: psu arrived yet? | 13:01 |
| Riddell | seaLne: yep, postman just came | 13:02 |
| Riddell | my laptop is alive! | 13:02 |
| seaLne | cool | 13:02 |
| Riddell | and it's got a water bottle to go with it | 13:02 |
| Riddell | thanks seaLne | 13:02 |
| seaLne | Riddell: is there still a general problem with lack of working sound or is it only some soundcards/other variable? | 13:03 |
| Riddell | seaLne: sounds seems to be working for me on a karmic install from today's CD | 13:10 |
| Riddell | so does network surprisingly, I thought people had said NM was broken with any encryption | 13:10 |
| seaLne | pnma dosen't even run for me atm | 13:10 |
| seaLne | i get a blank space on the panel that i can right click but not left click | 13:11 |
| seaLne | downloading todays daily to see if it behaves any differently | 13:13 |
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| === wstephenson is now known as sebas | ||
| * ryanakca crosses off another item from the KubuntuKarmicSpec, hurray! http://www.kubuntu.org/support is now readable :) | 13:34 | |
| neversfelde | ryanakca: there is a typo under Planet, it is Deutschpsrachigen Kubuntu Community but has to be Deutschsprachigen Kubuntu Community | 13:44 |
| ryanakca | neversfelde: Ah, thanks | 13:46 |
| sebas | ryanakca: under other languages, the link says "deitsch", should be "deutsch" | 13:48 |
| ryanakca | sebas: *nod*, I spotted that when I tried to go to neversfelde's page :) | 13:49 |
| * sebas too :) | 13:49 | |
| ryanakca | neversfelde: Fixed, thanks | 13:51 |
| agateau | anyone having problems with PyQt4 on Karmic? | 13:51 |
| neversfelde | ryanakca: I will have a look at the german text, could be a bit shorter | 13:51 |
| agateau | When I run this: python -c 'from PyQt4.QtCore import *' | 13:51 |
| agateau | it complains there is no module named QtCore | 13:52 |
| agateau | :( | 13:52 |
| agateau | (yes, I checked it's installed) | 13:52 |
| neversfelde | at least the list of links is not necessary | 13:52 |
| JontheEchidna | jonathan@jonathan-desktop:~$ python -c 'from PyQt4.QtCore import *' | 13:57 |
| JontheEchidna | jonathan@jonathan-desktop:~$ | 13:57 |
| quassel208 | such a shame in kubuntu-devel, that the alpha works better then stable 9.04 | 14:02 |
| agateau | JontheEchidna: strange | 14:13 |
| * agateau tries to update | 14:13 | |
| ScottK | quassel208: KDE is making significant strides with every release, so it's good news KDE 4.3 rc2 is working better than KDE 4.2.2. | 14:17 |
| ScottK | Does today's Kubuntu desktop image have folderview and the link to install? | 14:20 |
| quassel208 | Yes it does | 14:20 |
| ScottK | Urgh. | 14:20 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Any ideas why it might be missing off the netbook ISO? Where does that get set? | 14:20 |
| quassel208 | Folderview is good thing, when used problablly | 14:21 |
| quassel208 | netbook iso? | 14:21 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: is plasma-widget-folderview in the seed? | 14:21 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: It is. | 14:21 |
| ScottK | I can add it manually. | 14:21 |
| ScottK | There's no doubt some setting fiddling I'm missing. | 14:22 |
| quassel208 | but nice to see kubuntu in devel improve while I was in Thailand | 14:22 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: it is added to the desktop by default in the code even before we patch it for the other default applets | 14:22 |
| ScottK | Hmmm. | 14:22 |
| ScottK | quassel208: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Netbook | 14:22 |
| JontheEchidna | it's really strange that it wouldn't be added | 14:22 |
| quassel208 | So most issues with intel gma are fixed? | 14:23 |
| quassel208 | what kubuntu doesnt use konqeuror by default anymore? | 14:23 |
| JontheEchidna | it probably will again by 9.10, arora isn't ready | 14:24 |
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| quassel208 | so now there is like version for nettops to? or its only for netbooks? | 14:24 |
| JontheEchidna | it's geared towards small-screened netbook type devices | 14:26 |
| JontheEchidna | but I suppose it'd be usable on a laptop | 14:26 |
| quassel208 | I gues on nettop u better can use the normall version, nettop is more powerfull trhe netbook | 14:26 |
| quassel208 | esspecialy the intel atom 330 | 14:27 |
| ScottK | quassel208: How big is the screen size? | 14:27 |
| quassel208 | 19inch | 14:27 |
| ScottK | Yes, I'd use the desktop edition then. | 14:28 |
| quassel208 | 1440 x 900 | 14:28 |
| ScottK | Netbook is more about screen size than CPU (although we do some stuff there too). | 14:28 |
| quassel208 | cpu is not bad in most netbooks | 14:28 |
| ScottK | claydoh: Doing release notes for Alpha 3? | 14:29 |
| ScottK | Anyone else doing them? | 14:29 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Figured it out. live CD persistence has kicked my butt. I'd been in a live CD before and removed it. | 14:37 |
| seele | Artemis_Fowl: pong | 14:38 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: how will the GHNS button look like eventually? have you come to a decision? | 14:38 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: actually right now, the action that will be placed in menus/toolbars concerns me | 14:39 |
| seele | Artemis_Fowl: Get New [Object]... | 14:39 |
| Artemis_Fowl | with the GHNS star icon, right? | 14:39 |
| seele | yes | 14:40 |
| Artemis_Fowl | ok thanx | 14:40 |
| ScottK | GHNS? | 14:40 |
| Artemis_Fowl | Get Hot New Stuff | 14:40 |
| seele | ScottK: get hot new stuff | 14:40 |
| ScottK | Ah. | 14:40 |
| seele | KNS is the namespace | 14:40 |
| * seele still doesnt get the namespace thing in development | 14:41 | |
| Artemis_Fowl | it's a container for classes-objects | 14:42 |
| ScottK | Artemis_Fowl: I'm reasonably certain that didn't help. | 14:44 |
| ScottK | I'd appreciate it if someone else would boot the netbook ISO to make sure the folderview is there. | 14:45 |
| seele | hmm.. not a peep out of the plasma people about kickoff | 15:04 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: yay | 15:13 |
| maco | Artemis_Fowl: its on http://weblog.obso1337.org/2009/fixing-kns-button-inconsistency/ for future reference | 15:18 |
| Artemis_Fowl | maco: yeah, I know | 15:19 |
| Artemis_Fowl | maco: the action is ready to be committed | 15:19 |
| Artemis_Fowl | maco: have you done any work on the button? | 15:21 |
| maco | Artemis_Fowl: no, i was trying to learn a bit of c++ last night | 15:23 |
| maco | i have to modify qt for a school project anyway. c++ is ugly :-/ | 15:23 |
| maco | Riddell: that kfm change that was committed to ~kubuntu-members/kdebase/ubuntu for bug 399155 was accepted upstream .... though looking at the revision, the patch wasnt actually put into debian/patches/ even though the debian/patches/series was edited to include it | 15:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 399155 in hundredpapercuts "Non-Konqueror browser in KDE results in bouncing icons for both browsers" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/399155 | 15:26 |
| maco | missed a "bzr add" maybe? | 15:26 |
| Riddell | the perils of using a revision control system | 15:27 |
| ghostcube | 4.3 rc2 is nice :) i love my dashboard now | 15:29 |
| ghostcube | :D | 15:29 |
| Riddell | ScottK: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/DependencyGraph updated | 15:51 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Cool. Thanks. | 15:54 |
| ScottK | davmor2: Can you do the entire disk test for Kubuntu Netbook? | 15:59 |
| davmor2 | ScottKI can in vm but I need my netbook so I can't really test on it. But if vm is okay then yes | 16:00 |
| Riddell | ScottK: netbook edition lacks folderview for me but also kwin didn't start | 16:00 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Odd. Any idea how that could happen? | 16:01 |
| ScottK | kwin started here fine. | 16:01 |
| Riddell | nope, works fine from desktop CD and kwin starts manually ok | 16:01 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Where is the folderview being there specified? | 16:01 |
| Riddell | nothing much in .xsession-errors | 16:02 |
| ScottK | Perhaps something we did in the netbook settings is interfering with it? | 16:02 |
| Riddell | ScottK: default plasma widgets are hardcoded into plasma | 16:02 |
| ScottK | OK. Hard to imagine I broke that. | 16:02 |
| Riddell | but I guess /usr/share/kubuntu-netbook-default-settings/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc or /usr/share/kubuntu-netbook-default-settings/share/config/plasmarc breaks it | 16:02 |
| * ScottK fiddles around. | 16:03 | |
| Riddell | yeah there's no folderview in plasma-desktop-appletsrc | 16:03 |
| ScottK | OK. | 16:03 |
| Riddell | that could well be deliberate but then we'd need to think of another way to get the install icon there | 16:03 |
| Riddell | or just have ubiquity started as part of the startup | 16:04 |
| ScottK | I put that in there, it wasn't deliberate. | 16:04 |
| Riddell | trouble with plasma-desktop-appletsrc is that it's unreliable, that's why we went back to hardcoding it for the desktop ISO | 16:05 |
| Riddell | it doesn't adapt well to different screen sizes | 16:05 |
| ScottK | Is it still unreliable? | 16:06 |
| Riddell | I doubt it's changed, upstream were talking about having some XML thing for default setups but I havn't heard anything about that | 16:06 |
| Riddell | ..recently | 16:07 |
| ScottK | OK | 16:07 |
| ScottK | I guess I revert that bit then. | 16:07 |
| Riddell | ScottK: what was the intention? to add the panel launch icons? | 16:09 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Yes. | 16:09 |
| ScottK | They aren't critical though. | 16:09 |
| Riddell | it does mean we can see when someone is running the netbook edition though :) | 16:09 |
| ScottK | Heh. | 16:09 |
| ScottK | By the time we get plasma-netbook in there, there won't be any doubt. | 16:10 |
| Riddell | right | 16:10 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I removed that file and made a new user and it has folderview. | 16:14 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Unfortunately it also has the social from the start stuff and we just don't have the room for it. | 16:15 |
| ScottK | Riddell: We will need to have to figure out the best way to have them different for netbook. | 16:16 |
| Riddell | we can have that hardcoded easily enough, if (QFile::exists("/usr/share/kubuntu-netbook-default-settings")) | 16:20 |
| ScottK | Riddell: OK. I'd say let's have the netbook default be just the desktop folder on the 'desktop' for now. | 16:22 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Would you toss that into the RC3 packaging? | 16:22 |
| * ScottK will fix k-n-d-s after the Alpha 3 freeze is lifted. | 16:23 | |
| ScottK | Is switch user working for anyone? It's not for me. | 16:24 |
| Riddell | meh, kwin crashed twice and now that I want to report it, it doesn't crash | 16:26 |
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| === Zorael^2 is now known as Zorael | ||
| Riddell | ScottK: what's at https://launchpad.net/bugs/403067 ? | 17:37 |
| ubottu | Error: This bug is private | 17:37 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Jockey crash. | 17:41 |
| ScottK | Riddell: You can see it now. | 17:42 |
| Riddell | _Sime: message on release-team regarding pykde | 17:50 |
| Riddell | all the fonts are very small after a netbook install | 17:51 |
| ScottK | Riddell: That's by design. It's entirely possible we went overboard. | 17:53 |
| nixternal | hola kubunteros | 17:53 |
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| Quintasan | nixternal: sup? | 17:54 |
| nixternal | chillin'...trying to figure out what I am going to do today | 17:54 |
| nixternal | looking through the non-existing jobs | 17:54 |
| Quintasan | nixternal: rc3 packaging :P | 17:54 |
| ScottK | nixternal: How about some ISO testing. | 17:54 |
| nixternal | the ninjas already have that in order I am sure | 17:55 |
| nixternal | always do ISO testing | 17:55 |
| Quintasan | ScottK++ | 17:55 |
| * Quintasan looks around for his ninja suit and badge | 17:55 | |
| nixternal | I am > < that close to automating my ISO testing | 17:55 |
| Quintasan | lol -> "emacs comes from times when Stallman had no beard" | 18:05 |
| _Groo_ | hi/2 all | 19:10 |
| _Groo_ | JontheEchidna: ping? | 19:10 |
| _Groo_ | ScottK: ping? | 19:10 |
| Mamarok | Quintasan: he is born with a beard :) | 19:11 |
| _Groo_ | anyone knows if it will be possible to backport kdebindings 4.3 for jaunty? i tried it with 50% sucess | 19:11 |
| _Sime | what went wrong? | 19:11 |
| _Groo_ | i sucessfully backported the entire pack, from sip, to python-qt4, to kdebindings to qscintila | 19:12 |
| _Sime | did you have to do much? | 19:12 |
| _Sime | (it should be trivial enough) | 19:12 |
| _Groo_ | unfortunatelly the new kdebindings breaks most if not all previously working python kde apps, like gdebi-kde, eric4, etc etc | 19:12 |
| _Sime | how? | 19:12 |
| _Groo_ | since kdebindings needs new sip4, that needs new python-q4, that needs new qscintilla, etc etc :P somehow its not backward compatible with old code. | 19:13 |
| _Groo_ | there are several bug reports in karmic about this.. one thing that broke was the printer-applet and kde printer settings.. had to go back to kdebindings from beta 2 | 19:14 |
| _Sime | huh? beta 2 works but rcX doesn't? | 19:14 |
| _Groo_ | so, to backport the packages is a lot of work but not impossible, unfortunatelly its NOT a easy transition | 19:14 |
| _Groo_ | _Sime: beta2 didnt need such a high level python packages.. that changed after rc1 | 19:15 |
| _Sime | ok, I gotcha. | 19:15 |
| _Groo_ | i believe ScottK knows more about this problem | 19:15 |
| _Groo_ | or maybe Riddell | 19:15 |
| _Groo_ | anyway just to let you guys know the pain of kdebindigs | 19:17 |
| _Groo_ | on another news i concluded my tests of qt 4.5.2 with raster enabled by default.. a huge sucess... everythings works like a charm and with must faster rendereings | 19:18 |
| _Groo_ | the only workaround is in opera 10 that with qt4 builds needs to be forced with --graphicssystem native so it wont screw up the themes, besides that... a charm | 19:18 |
| _Groo_ | i highly recomend the kubuntu devs to test builds of kubuntu 9.10 with raster enabled by default | 19:19 |
| Riddell | _Groo_: I've not tried backporting kdebindings although it's somewhere on my list of things to do if I have some time, I was worried it would get complex though | 19:19 |
| _Groo_ | its trivial since it only requires a qt recompile, no need to recompile anything else | 19:19 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: you will have to backport, sip4, qscintila, python-qt4 ande kdebindings in this order | 19:20 |
| seele | what is the standard amount of memory in a netbook? 512MB or are they as much as 1GB? | 19:20 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: BUT it WILL break every single python-kde app and qt4 in the process | 19:20 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: so it would need to backport new eric4, new gdebi-kde, etc etc :P | 19:21 |
| _Sime | seele: 1Gb is standard now, except to the oldest and cheapest. | 19:21 |
| seele | _Sime: thanks | 19:21 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: its a diference in api introduced with new sip4 and python-qt4... old apps cant use it anymore, they complain about not finding sip or qscintilla or even pykde core | 19:23 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: new eric4 in karmic already has this fix, i bleieve gdebi-kde also, dont know about the rest | 19:23 |
| _Sime | everything should be able to find the modules, unless there is a packaging problem. | 19:24 |
| Riddell | right, python doesn't care about ABI and I know the API hasn't changed else we'd need to have changed our code | 19:25 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: didnt quite followed you, what do you mean? | 19:26 |
| _Groo_ | _Sime: ah, now i understand, its not about finding but CALLING... the old apps use a old method and python complains, if you try to get the module by hand it works | 19:27 |
| Riddell | well it's python, you just "import PyKDE.Core" and as long as that module is available it should work | 19:27 |
| Riddell | what old method? | 19:28 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: thats the problem :D the calling changed.. | 19:28 |
| * _Sime is updating his karmic to test. | 19:28 | |
| Riddell | _Groo_: changed from what to what? | 19:28 |
| _Groo_ | _Sime: in karmic i believe it works.. get a gdebi-kde from jaunty and try to run it in karmic | 19:28 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: dont remember the specifics now.. just do what i told _sime.. its a quick and easy test... gdebi-kde from jaunty will break in karmic | 19:29 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: or in jaunty with new packages | 19:29 |
| === ejat is now known as e-jat | ||
| ryanakca | How does http://drupal.ryanak.ca/ look as the "Action" items for the KubuntuKarmicWebsite spec? | 19:49 |
| ryanakca | rgreening: ^^ | 19:49 |
| rgreening | checking | 19:49 |
| rgreening | ryanakca: looking good. a couple of thoughts... | 19:51 |
| Riddell | wasn't there a fourth we wanted? | 19:51 |
| Riddell | icons look a wee bit too big on first impressions | 19:51 |
| rgreening | 1) can we cut the height of the banner to half and resize the icons accordingly. seems awfully BIG :) | 19:52 |
| rgreening | 2) can we image map the banner to have the icons clickable as well | 19:52 |
| Riddell | we do want it big, half the size would be too small I think | 19:52 |
| Riddell | right they need to be clickable | 19:52 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: Yes, that needs to be fixed | 19:52 |
| rgreening | 3) Kubuntu logo top left partially hidden behind the banner | 19:53 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: The four items were `"Download", "Get Help", "Support", "Tour"' | 19:53 |
| Riddell | that's the one | 19:53 |
| * ryanakca loves how websites always render differently for different users | 19:53 | |
| ryanakca | http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/kwebsite1.png is how it displays here | 19:54 |
| rgreening | hhaha. Im using *yuk* arora | 19:54 |
| * ryanakca pulls it down | 19:55 | |
| rgreening | ryanakca: looks good other than these comments though. :) | 19:55 |
| rgreening | ryanakca: make sure to test in FF, arora and Konqueror... just to be safe :) | 19:56 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: I'm thinking we can stick in the "Tour" icon once we get a tour... what should we switch out to make room for it, having four "action" items is too much imho... | 19:56 |
| rgreening | ryanakca: looks like the Kubuntu logo is drifting down in arora, and not top aligned. Not sure if an arora issue or a CSS one | 19:56 |
| rgreening | ryanakca: shrink the icons and cut the banner. | 19:57 |
| Riddell | four is reasonable enough | 19:57 |
| rgreening | the icons can be much smaller... so 4 wouldn['t look bad | 19:57 |
| rgreening | at the right size... | 19:57 |
| ryanakca | rgreening: Valid CSS :) http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://drupal.ryanak.ca/&profile=css21&usermedium=all&warning=1&lang=en | 19:58 |
| * ryanakca will fix it though, thanks :) | 19:58 | |
| rgreening | ryanakca: :) I meant in intrepretation in the browsers. could be valid, but the order intrepreted by browser can cause issues. | 19:59 |
| rgreening | moving things around sometimes helps :) | 19:59 |
| ryanakca | *nod* | 19:59 |
| rgreening | ty for your hard work on the web page though :P | 19:59 |
| ryanakca | Hehe :P | 19:59 |
| ryanakca | Did you ever get around to getting yourself a testserver setup? | 19:59 |
| === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Archive: Alpha-3 soft-freeze | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | We need paperKuts! https://launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts | ||
| Riddell | removed bug 391763, now in queue | 20:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 391763 in kdenetwork "Kopete won't login yahoo" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/391763 | 20:25 |
| Quintasan | Anyone uses Kickoff? | 20:27 |
| Riddell | surely everyone does? | 20:29 |
| _Sime | yes they do, and don't call me Shirley. | 20:33 |
| Riddell | for some reason I find that funnyer than I should | 20:35 |
| _Sime | it's a classic. | 20:37 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: ping | 20:45 |
| _Sime | Riddell: gdebi-kde started up ok on karmic. | 20:46 |
| Riddell | the karmic version also starts up fine on jaunty | 20:48 |
| Riddell | _Groo_: ^^ | 20:48 |
| * _Sime saw U2 last night. :-) | 20:53 | |
| _Sime | printer-applet appears to be running in the background too. | 20:59 |
| apachelogger | yo | 21:24 |
| Monika|K | hi apachelogger | 21:26 |
| apachelogger | neversfelde: how is the SRU going? | 21:56 |
| neversfelde | apachelogger: It is waiting :) | 21:57 |
| apachelogger | man | 21:57 |
| apachelogger | you need to learn how to be a PITA of sru people :P | 21:57 |
| Riddell | which SRU? | 21:58 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: bug 221531 | 21:58 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 221531 in kopete-plugin-thinklight "Thinklight doesn't blink because /proc/acpi/ibm/thinklight has wrong permissions" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/221531 | 21:58 |
| Riddell | mm | 21:59 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: when are you pushing a new kcm-gtk? | 22:02 |
| * apachelogger would like to get rid of that settings category :P | 22:02 | |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: after alpha freeze probably | 22:03 |
| apachelogger | kk | 22:03 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: btw, what to do about arora? apparently there isn't much hope for it within the team | 22:03 |
| JontheEchidna | blah, X fail | 22:05 |
| apachelogger | seele: any news on the category mess? | 22:06 |
| * apachelogger feels like reverting it for 4.3 | 22:07 | |
| seele | apachelogger: nothing at all. 0 response from the plasma people | 22:07 |
| seele | not even a stfu | 22:07 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: I say go for it. | 22:07 |
| JontheEchidna | that is probably precedent to revert | 22:07 |
| apachelogger | hm | 22:07 |
| apachelogger | seele: maybe wrong list? | 22:07 |
| JontheEchidna | oh: * apachelogger feels like reverting it for 4.3 | 22:07 |
| * apachelogger thinks there are like 3 lists | 22:07 | |
| ScottK | Since as Riddell reminded us it was the first way Kubuntu diverged from upstream, we should continue and not feel at all guilty. | 22:08 |
| * JontheEchidna didn't see that | 22:08 | |
| JontheEchidna | er, not to ScottK's message | 22:08 |
| seele | apachelogger: no, chani forwarded it from the panel list to the plasma list | 22:08 |
| * JontheEchidna stfus | 22:08 | |
| apachelogger | revert \o/ | 22:09 |
| apachelogger | seele: I'll revert the change in the 4.3 branch for now, since it is not applied all over the menu and thus causes inconsistency anyway | 22:20 |
| apachelogger | if we don't hear back from the plasma doods I'll revert in trunk as well | 22:20 |
| Monika|K | what is it that you are reverting? | 22:22 |
| apachelogger | http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/kde-subcategories-43.ogv | 22:23 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: I still favour arora, it could come down to a council vote | 22:25 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: honestly, I don't see why the council should overrule a general consensus among the members :P | 22:26 |
| apachelogger | the arora thread on the list only carried negative opinions so far | 22:27 |
| apachelogger | if not all too well reasoned though :) | 22:27 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I've found arora to be pretty well a disaster on multimedia things and Konqueror working better than I've ever seen it in 4.3. | 22:27 |
| apachelogger | seele, Riddell: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xdg/2008-April/009454.html | 22:27 |
| Riddell | ScottK: multimedia things? | 22:28 |
| apachelogger | that thread ended with 3 mails though :D | 22:28 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Every time I click on something that's not html it just wants to download it. | 22:28 |
| apachelogger | seele: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=120826895022122&w=2 what do you think about that? | 22:29 |
| Nightrose | is there a recent aurora package to try for jaunty? | 22:29 |
| * Nightrose would like to know what the fuzz is about | 22:30 | |
| claydoh | ScottK: ping | 22:37 |
| ScottK | claydoh: Pong | 22:37 |
| apachelogger | seele, ScottK, Riddell: rev 1001318 | 22:37 |
| ubottu | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=1001318&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 1001318 | 22:37 |
| neversfelde | Nightrose: afaik there is 0.7.1 in jaunty backports. 0.8 was released a few days ago and there is no package yet. | 22:37 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: just get the git branch | 22:37 |
| claydoh | ScottK: I am a little out of the loop re: release notes. when is alpha3 out? | 22:37 |
| apachelogger | only depends on Qt anyway | 22:37 |
| Nightrose | neversfelde: thx | 22:38 |
| ScottK | claydoh: Tomorrow. | 22:38 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: don't wanna compile | 22:38 |
| seele | apachelogger: sweet | 22:38 |
| claydoh | ScottK: um, crap | 22:38 |
| claydoh | I can get something tonight I think | 22:38 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 22:38 |
| ScottK | claydoh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/TechnicalOverview mentions a few issues for us. | 22:39 |
| ScottK | claydoh: The big news since Alpha 2 is the new Kubuntu Netbook Edition and we are now up to KDE 4.3 RC2. | 22:39 |
| claydoh | ScottK: thanks, just what I am looking for | 22:39 |
| claydoh | ScottK: ok | 22:39 |
| JontheEchidna | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KarmicKoala/Alpha3/Kubuntu | 22:39 |
| JontheEchidna | did that last month before the big netbook push | 22:40 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Must be nice to have the powah. | 22:40 |
| ScottK | claydoh: ^^ | 22:40 |
| JontheEchidna | needs a bit of version bumping, some screenshots, probably a word about arora | 22:41 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: as long as no one beats you up for reverting their crap ;-) | 22:41 |
| claydoh | ScottK: /me is there now | 22:41 |
| claydoh | JontheEchidna: ok | 22:41 |
| ScottK | claydoh: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Netbook is probably worth linking to. | 22:41 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Russia's a long way from Austria. | 22:42 |
| apachelogger | you never know... maybe he got friends round here or something | 22:42 |
| apachelogger | friends.beat_up(apachelogger) | 22:43 |
| apachelogger | in a matter of speaking | 22:43 |
| * apachelogger should talk to krake about akonadiconsole | 22:43 | |
| apachelogger | maybe we can get it indeed out of kdepim-runtime | 22:43 |
| apachelogger | that doens't solve the problem, but helps :D | 22:43 |
| apachelogger | meh, toma sez no :D | 22:47 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: I suppose -dev-tools is what we will use | 22:48 |
| * Sput misses adblock most in arora | 22:48 | |
| * apachelogger misses mimetype integration | 22:48 | |
| Sput | yeah, and KDE integration :) | 22:48 |
| apachelogger | even chrome got that right, and that is not even supposed to be usable at this point :P | 22:48 |
| Sput | arora is insanely fast though | 22:49 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Get some agreement from Debian (like you've started), but yes. | 22:49 |
| Sput | and doesn't crash with bahn.de :P | 22:49 |
| apachelogger | Sput: chrome is faster :P | 22:49 |
| Sput | is it? | 22:49 |
| Sput | interesting | 22:49 |
| apachelogger | yus | 22:49 |
| apachelogger | got the faster js vm | 22:49 |
| Sput | didn't think that was possible :) | 22:49 |
| * Sput still uses konqueror though, because it has all the stuff that arora misses | 22:49 | |
| Riddell | how do you read slashdot? | 22:50 |
| Sput | there are people reading slashdot? :> | 22:50 |
| Riddell | everyone reads slashdot! | 22:50 |
| Sput | well, if I get links, I use it with konq | 22:50 |
| * apachelogger isn't :P | 22:50 | |
| * apachelogger only reads biased kubuntu news :P | 22:50 | |
| * ScottK thought he read slashdot the other day, but doesn't recall what browser was running. | 22:50 | |
| apachelogger | keeps me happy hacking | 22:51 |
| apachelogger | muhahaha :D | 22:51 |
| * Sput uses konqueror almost exclusively, and arora for the few pages that make it crash | 22:51 | |
| apachelogger | as long as I can watch the special kind of flash entertainment videos any browser is good :P | 22:52 |
| * ScottK would like it if someone would work on lzma integration. | 22:52 | |
| ScottK | The needed lib to build against is in my PPA. | 22:52 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: integration into what? | 22:52 |
| apachelogger | ark? | 22:52 |
| * ScottK still couldn't make ark work with lzma | 22:52 | |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Yes. | 22:52 |
| apachelogger | lib => revu => archive => main => make worky | 22:52 |
| ScottK | In 4.3 it supports lzma if we build against the right stuff. | 22:52 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: lib is currently in Debian New. I'd like to know if it's going to work before I go to the trouble. | 22:53 |
| ScottK | If someone proofs it out, I'll get it in Main. | 22:53 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: why does it not build? | 22:53 |
| apachelogger | does cmake not detect it properly? | 22:54 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: See my PPA for build logs. It appeared to, but still no lzma in ark. | 22:54 |
| apachelogger | *look* | 22:56 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: -- Installing: /build/buildd/kdeutils-4.2.96/debian/tmp/usr/lib/kde4/kerfuffle_libxz.so | 22:57 |
| apachelogger | -- Installing: /build/buildd/kdeutils-4.2.96/debian/tmp/usr/share/kde4/services/kerfuffle_libxz.desktop | 22:57 |
| apachelogger | this is lzma support | 22:57 |
| apachelogger | buildds should run list-missing :P | 22:57 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Cool. | 22:59 |
| apachelogger | ah | 23:01 |
| apachelogger | lp maintenance again | 23:01 |
| apachelogger | -.- | 23:01 |
| === vorian is now known as heHATEme | ||
| apachelogger | oh man, bazaar is down too :| | 23:07 |
| apachelogger | can't get latest package of foobar either | 23:07 |
| * apachelogger feels pretty dependent on lp now | 23:07 | |
| apachelogger | Riddell: where is kmix' OSD coming from? | 23:12 |
| * rickspencer3 is making an alpha 3 Kubuntu Netbook USB start up disk | 23:16 | |
| * apachelogger just did that and starts live session :D | 23:17 | |
| Riddell | apachelogger: it's a patch I wrote for kmix | 23:19 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: was it dropped from karmic? | 23:20 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: no, still works for me | 23:20 |
| apachelogger | well | 23:20 |
| apachelogger | I can't find the patch :D | 23:20 |
| Riddell | I'd like to convince agataux to port it to real notifications | 23:20 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: oh it got merged upstream yonks ago | 23:20 |
| apachelogger | ah, that explains | 23:20 |
| * Nightrose just installed jaunty for her room mate | 23:22 | |
| Nightrose | he loves it | 23:22 |
| apachelogger | jaunty is so last year :P | 23:22 |
| Riddell | jaunty looks really old fashioned compared to 4.3 | 23:23 |
| Nightrose | heh he _really_ isn't the right guy for any testing yet | 23:23 |
| Nightrose | jep i'll upgrade him to 4.3 when there are packages | 23:23 |
| apachelogger | yay | 23:25 |
| apachelogger | latest netbook live fails to start | 23:25 |
| Riddell | worked for me and ScottK | 23:25 |
| Riddell | except kwin crashed for me randomly | 23:25 |
| apachelogger | maybe the rsync broke | 23:26 |
| * rickspencer3 starts installing kubuntu on my eeePC 900a | 23:29 | |
| * rickspencer3 notes that start up sound works on first boot | 23:32 | |
| Nightrose | \o/ | 23:32 |
| rickspencer3 | can I install from a live instance? | 23:32 |
| apachelogger | rickspencer3: via the menu | 23:35 |
| rickspencer3 | apachelogger: thanks' | 23:35 |
| apachelogger | I nuked the folderview widget so the install icon is gone from the desktop :S | 23:35 |
| rickspencer3 | I couldn't find it and rebooted | 23:35 |
| * rickspencer3 goes strait to the installer | 23:36 | |
| rickspencer3 | straight even | 23:36 |
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