[00:01] <JontheEchidna> The patches add a few new query syntaxes plus handling for them, so I introducing them won't hurt existing functionality at all. They should be safe to include in the official packages
[00:03] <Quintasan> I guess I'll make it compile for now.
[00:03] <Quintasan> and wait for RC3
[00:07] <neversfelde> maco: a bilbo package is in my ppa
[00:07] <neversfelde> btw. it needs a second advocate?
[00:10] <neversfelde> well, seems that this is not a new info :)
[00:25] <ScottK-palm> Anyone do any iso testing yet?
[00:26] <maco> neversfelde: i just pbuilder'd what you have on revu. and im not able to advocate, though i can confirm it builds just dandy
[00:27] <neversfelde> maco: :)
[00:28] <neversfelde> It is alpha freeze afaik, so it is not so urgent
[00:28] <JontheEchidna> alpha freeze only applies to main
[00:28] <JontheEchidna> universe is free for uploading
[00:30] <neversfelde> did not know it
[00:30] <neversfelde> so it is urgent :D
[00:31] <maco> aaaaaaaaand it just crashed
[00:31] <neversfelde> maco: you should report it to @mtux on identi.ca
[00:32] <neversfelde> or just !bilbo
[00:32] <maco> crashed and spewed a "temporary" post to my blog
[00:33] <neversfelde> maco: I tested 0.9 with wordpress, it worked
[00:33] <neversfelde> the version on revu is a beta1, so this is probably a problem
[00:33] <maco> im trying with blogger since the wordpress i intend to use it on is not yet configured for post-from-app
[00:34] <maco> when i clicked "get style" or whatever bilbo calls that button, it crashed
[00:39] <maco> any chance you know what Q_Q() means in qt stuff?
[00:50] <Riddell> ScottK: installing i386 now
[00:53] <Riddell> !ninjas
[00:53] <Riddell> "KDE 4.3 RC3 tarballs uploaded"
[00:54] <Riddell> to be made public in 12 hours
[00:55] <JontheEchidna> tight operation, but at least we have a bit o' warning
[00:55] <JontheEchidna> TO THE BATCAVE
[00:56] <neversfelde> 12h thats really a lot of time :)
[00:58] <JontheEchidna> hopefully things go perfect on the first build (no moved files, etc)
[00:58] <Riddell> kubuntu-devel post From: Chris <chris062689@gmail.com> looks suspicious (or incompetant)
[01:14] <Nightrose> Riddell: it should likely be a reply to seele's post
[01:14] <Nightrose> but yea
[01:16] <Riddell> i386 desktop CD seems good for alpha
[01:34] <shtylman> Riddell: I don't know what else to do about the installer :)
[01:35] <Riddell> shtylman: I'll try it again tomorrow now that I have karmic installing
[01:35] <shtylman> k...if it doesn't work... well... jesus... I have no idea
[01:35] <shtylman> I will ask someone else to try it for sanity sake
[02:55] <ScottK> Riddell: Do you know who to ping to get Kubuntu on the ISO tracker?
[03:12] <vorian> yo
[03:59] <Gon> anyone using KDE 4.3 RC2 ?
[04:03] <ScottK> Gon: It's in Karmic and one of the Jaunty PPAs.  Lots of us using it.
[04:09] <Gon> on login, plasma desktop scan my wallpaper-diretories
[04:09] <Gon> but...
[04:09] <Gon> why appears a dialog showing a progress bar?
[04:10] <Gon> in 4.2.4 did the same, but silently.
[04:11] <ScottK> I don't know.  I don't recall seeing that.
[04:12] <Gon> I'm using Presentation mode for wallpapers...
[04:12] <ScottK> No suggestions.  Sorry.
[04:13] <Gon> Well, I think that dialogue is widely
[04:42] <Gon> one more thing...
[04:42] <Gon> kde microblog plasmoid doesn't show my friends updates from twitter
[04:42] <Gon> D:
[04:51] <maco> what is "\reimp" besides the most useless excuse for documentation ever?
[05:05] <DaskreeCH> Gon: It used to?
[05:06] <Gon> ?
[05:26] <DaskreeCH> Show your friends?
[05:27] <Gon> only show my updates
[05:32] <maco> heh it doesnt show anything at all for me
[05:32] <maco> my avatar and a textbox that it won't let me type in. that's all
[05:51]  * ScottK suggests filing upstream bugs.
[06:05] <ScottK> What's the name of the widget we use for showing the 'desktop'?
[06:26] <DaskreeCH> show Desktop widget?
[06:42] <ScottK> folderview
[06:42] <DaskreeCH> what?
[06:43] <ScottK> The folderview widget is the one I couldn't remember before.
[06:43] <ScottK> Sorry.  It's late and I'm tired.
[06:43] <DaskreeCH> oh that kind of showing desktp
[06:43] <ScottK> Yes.
[06:47] <ScottK> If anyone could look at today's Live CD (desktop and/or netbook) and see if they could replicate  Bug #402877 or  Bug #402878 that would be good.
[06:48]  * ScottK goes to collapse.
[06:48] <ScottK> rickspencer3-afk: ^^
[06:48] <ScottK> oops
[06:48] <ScottK> meant Riddell^^^
[08:30] <Tonio_> ola
[09:58] <Riddell> ScottK: are you sure you used the latest desktop CDs?  the ones from yesterday morning had those problems but not the ones from European evening
[10:03] <davmor2> Riddell: I didn't think it was fixed till this mornings not last nights?
[10:03] <davmor2> I could be wrong though
[10:03] <Riddell> davmor2: what was fixed this morning?
[10:04] <davmor2> updated ubiquity isn't it.
[11:17] <ryanakca> Could an Italophone please look over http://pastebin.ca/1503026 ?
[11:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: ^^ :)
[11:19] <Mamarok> this is driving me mad: my video card works like a charm in Gnome, but not in KDE, is it an upstream problem? dfaure seems to have the same problem than I have
[11:19] <Mamarok> just tried, so either it's our packages, or it's KDE, but that's a huge bug IMHO
[11:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: :)
[11:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't speak itilian unfortunatelly :)
[11:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: only my grand parents did :)
[11:24] <Mamarok> ryanakca: I'll have a look, moment
[11:27] <Mamarok> ryanakca: looks good, is there nothing named kubuntu in Italy?
[11:32] <Riddell> Mamarok: does KDM show?
[11:34] <Riddell> Mamarok: is this something new?
[11:35] <sebas> Mamarok: what doesn't work?
[11:35] <Mamarok> Riddell: no, I was never able to run the fglrx driver in KDE since Jaunty RC1, and just ried in Gnome and it works!
[11:36] <sebas> What happens when you try?
[11:38] <ScottK> Riddell: I probably had the older one then.
[11:38]  * ScottK starts another download.
[11:39] <Mamarok> sebas: can't start KDE, everything freezes on login
[11:39] <sebas> ugh
[11:39] <Mamarok> works without problems with the radeon driver, but I can't ue OpenGL with that driver, only XRander
[11:40] <sebas> What graphicschip do you use?
[11:40]  * Mamarok has a ATI HD3650
[11:40] <sebas> I used to use the fglrx driver, but I'm now on the Free radeon one
[11:40] <sebas> Hm, dunno if the Free driver supports that chip
[11:40] <sebas> Does it? :)
[11:41] <Mamarok> sebas: well, the fglrx did till Jaunty alpha six or so
[11:41] <Mamarok> don't remember what changed then, either the xorg version or the fglrx one
[11:42] <Mamarok> sebas: as I said, I use the radeon driver, but have no 3D unforutnately with it, so only basic de stuff with XRander
[11:42] <sebas> Hm, I think 3d support for those chips just landed upstream, so it'll take a bit
[11:44] <Mamarok> sebas: what puzzles me more is that, with the same driver and xorg, compisiting works like a charm in Gnome
[11:44] <Mamarok> compositing*
[11:44] <Mamarok> all 3D enabled, no freezes, just like it should work in KDE, but it doesn't, using 4.2.96 here
[11:45] <Mamarok> KDE still freezes on startup when DE is enabled
[11:45] <sebas> likely we or Qt are hitting a rendering path that's not being used by gnome (compiz?), and which hasn't been tested
[11:49] <Mamarok> worth exploring that path I would say, as we have had numerous reports with ATI cards failing on KDE with desktop effects, even basic transparency
[12:02] <sebas> Well, the path ends quickly as fglrx.ko doesn't provide source
[12:52] <raving> есть тут кто?
[12:56] <ryanakca> Mamarok: No clue, I just got an email asking we put it up on the website under Community & Support, I didn't know if it was just a pile of bogus or if it was good content.
[12:59] <Mamarok> ryanakca: well, it's instruction son where ot find help for Kubuntu in Italian, but what puzzles me is that there is nothing really Kubuntu specific, all links point to ubuntu links.
[12:59] <ryanakca> Ah, yes, I see.
[13:00] <ryanakca> Mamarok: I can stick up #kubuntu-it , it's a redirect to #ubuntu-it ...
[13:01] <seaLne> Riddell: psu arrived yet?
[13:02] <Riddell> seaLne: yep, postman just came
[13:02] <Riddell> my laptop is alive!
[13:02] <seaLne> cool
[13:02] <Riddell> and it's got a water bottle to go with it
[13:02] <Riddell> thanks seaLne
[13:03] <seaLne> Riddell: is there still a general problem with lack of working sound or is it only some soundcards/other variable?
[13:10] <Riddell> seaLne: sounds seems to be working for me on a karmic install from today's CD
[13:10] <Riddell> so does network surprisingly, I thought people had said NM was broken with any encryption
[13:10] <seaLne> pnma dosen't even run for me atm
[13:11] <seaLne> i get a blank space on the panel that i can right click but not left click
[13:13] <seaLne> downloading todays daily to see if it behaves any differently
[13:34]  * ryanakca crosses off another item from the KubuntuKarmicSpec, hurray! http://www.kubuntu.org/support is now readable :)
[13:44] <neversfelde> ryanakca: there is a typo under Planet, it is Deutschpsrachigen Kubuntu Community but has to be Deutschsprachigen Kubuntu Community
[13:46] <ryanakca> neversfelde: Ah, thanks
[13:48] <sebas> ryanakca: under other languages, the link says "deitsch", should be "deutsch"
[13:49] <ryanakca> sebas: *nod*, I spotted that when I tried to go to neversfelde's page :)
[13:49]  * sebas too :)
[13:51] <ryanakca> neversfelde: Fixed, thanks
[13:51] <agateau> anyone having problems with PyQt4 on Karmic?
[13:51] <neversfelde> ryanakca: I will have a look at the german text, could be a bit shorter
[13:51] <agateau> When I run this: python -c 'from PyQt4.QtCore import *'
[13:52] <agateau> it complains there is no module named QtCore
[13:52] <agateau> :(
[13:52] <agateau> (yes, I checked it's installed)
[13:52] <neversfelde> at least the list of links is not necessary
[13:57] <JontheEchidna> jonathan@jonathan-desktop:~$ python -c 'from PyQt4.QtCore import *'
[13:57] <JontheEchidna> jonathan@jonathan-desktop:~$
[14:02] <quassel208> such a shame in kubuntu-devel, that the alpha works better then stable 9.04
[14:13] <agateau> JontheEchidna: strange
[14:13]  * agateau tries to update
[14:17] <ScottK> quassel208: KDE is making significant strides with every release, so it's good news KDE 4.3 rc2 is working better than KDE 4.2.2.
[14:20] <ScottK> Does today's Kubuntu desktop image have folderview and the link to install?
[14:20] <quassel208> Yes it does
[14:20] <ScottK> Urgh.
[14:20] <ScottK> Riddell: Any ideas why it might be missing off the netbook ISO?  Where does that get set?
[14:21] <quassel208> Folderview is good thing, when used problablly
[14:21] <quassel208> netbook iso?
[14:21] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: is plasma-widget-folderview in the seed?
[14:21] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: It is.
[14:21] <ScottK> I can add it manually.
[14:22] <ScottK> There's no doubt some setting fiddling I'm missing.
[14:22] <quassel208> but nice to see kubuntu in devel improve while I was in Thailand
[14:22] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: it is added to the desktop by default in the code even before we patch it for the other default applets
[14:22] <ScottK> Hmmm.
[14:22] <ScottK> quassel208: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Netbook
[14:22] <JontheEchidna> it's really strange that it wouldn't be added
[14:23] <quassel208> So most issues with intel gma are fixed?
[14:23] <quassel208> what kubuntu doesnt use konqeuror by default anymore?
[14:24] <JontheEchidna> it probably will again by 9.10, arora isn't ready
[14:24] <quassel208> so now there is like version for nettops to? or its only for netbooks?
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> it's geared towards small-screened netbook type devices
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> but I suppose it'd be usable on a laptop
[14:26] <quassel208> I gues on nettop u better can use the normall version, nettop is more powerfull trhe netbook
[14:27] <quassel208> esspecialy the intel atom 330
[14:27] <ScottK> quassel208: How big is the screen size?
[14:27] <quassel208> 19inch
[14:28] <ScottK> Yes, I'd use the desktop edition then.
[14:28] <quassel208> 1440 x 900
[14:28] <ScottK> Netbook is more about screen size than CPU (although we do some stuff there too).
[14:28] <quassel208> cpu is not bad in most netbooks
[14:29] <ScottK> claydoh: Doing release notes for Alpha 3?
[14:29] <ScottK> Anyone else doing them?
[14:37] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Figured it out.  live CD persistence has kicked my butt.  I'd been in a live CD before and removed it.
[14:38] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: pong
[14:38] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: how will the GHNS button look like eventually? have you come to a decision?
[14:39] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: actually right now, the action that will be placed in menus/toolbars concerns me
[14:39] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: Get New [Object]...
[14:39] <Artemis_Fowl> with the GHNS star icon, right?
[14:40] <seele> yes
[14:40] <Artemis_Fowl> ok thanx
[14:40] <ScottK> GHNS?
[14:40] <Artemis_Fowl> Get Hot New Stuff
[14:40] <seele> ScottK: get hot new stuff
[14:40] <ScottK> Ah.
[14:40] <seele> KNS is the namespace
[14:41]  * seele still doesnt get the namespace thing in development
[14:42] <Artemis_Fowl> it's a container for classes-objects
[14:44] <ScottK> Artemis_Fowl: I'm reasonably certain that didn't help.
[14:45] <ScottK> I'd appreciate it if someone else would boot the netbook ISO to make sure the folderview is there.
[15:04] <seele> hmm.. not a peep out of the plasma people about kickoff
[15:13] <Riddell> ryanakca: yay
[15:18] <maco> Artemis_Fowl: its on http://weblog.obso1337.org/2009/fixing-kns-button-inconsistency/ for future reference
[15:19] <Artemis_Fowl> maco: yeah, I know
[15:19] <Artemis_Fowl> maco: the action is ready to be committed
[15:21] <Artemis_Fowl> maco: have you done any work on the button?
[15:23] <maco> Artemis_Fowl: no, i was trying to learn a bit of c++ last night
[15:23] <maco> i have to modify qt for a school project anyway. c++ is ugly :-/
[15:26] <maco> Riddell: that kfm change that was committed to ~kubuntu-members/kdebase/ubuntu for bug 399155 was accepted upstream .... though looking at the revision, the patch wasnt actually put into debian/patches/ even though the debian/patches/series was edited to include it
[15:26] <maco> missed a "bzr add" maybe?
[15:27] <Riddell> the perils of using a revision control system
[15:29] <ghostcube> 4.3 rc2 is nice :) i love my dashboard now
[15:29] <ghostcube> :D
[15:51] <Riddell> ScottK: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/DependencyGraph updated
[15:54] <ScottK> Riddell: Cool.  Thanks.
[15:59] <ScottK> davmor2: Can you do the entire disk test for Kubuntu Netbook?
[16:00] <davmor2> ScottKI can in vm but I need my netbook so I can't really test on it.  But if vm is okay then yes
[16:00] <Riddell> ScottK: netbook edition lacks folderview for me but also kwin didn't start
[16:01] <ScottK> Riddell: Odd.  Any idea how that could happen?
[16:01] <ScottK> kwin started here fine.
[16:01] <Riddell> nope, works fine from desktop CD and kwin starts manually ok
[16:01] <ScottK> Riddell: Where is the folderview being there specified?
[16:02] <Riddell> nothing much in .xsession-errors
[16:02] <ScottK> Perhaps something we did in the netbook settings is interfering with it?
[16:02] <Riddell> ScottK: default plasma widgets are hardcoded into plasma
[16:02] <ScottK> OK.  Hard to imagine I broke that.
[16:02] <Riddell> but I guess /usr/share/kubuntu-netbook-default-settings/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc or /usr/share/kubuntu-netbook-default-settings/share/config/plasmarc breaks it
[16:03]  * ScottK fiddles around.
[16:03] <Riddell> yeah there's no folderview in plasma-desktop-appletsrc
[16:03] <ScottK> OK.
[16:03] <Riddell> that could well be deliberate but then we'd need to think of another way to get the install icon there
[16:04] <Riddell> or just have ubiquity started as part of the startup
[16:04] <ScottK> I put that in there, it wasn't deliberate.
[16:05] <Riddell> trouble with plasma-desktop-appletsrc is that it's unreliable, that's why we went back to hardcoding it for the desktop ISO
[16:05] <Riddell> it doesn't adapt well to different screen sizes
[16:06] <ScottK> Is it still unreliable?
[16:06] <Riddell> I doubt it's changed, upstream were talking about having some XML thing for default setups but I havn't heard anything about that
[16:07] <Riddell> ..recently
[16:07] <ScottK> OK
[16:07] <ScottK> I guess I revert that bit then.
[16:09] <Riddell> ScottK: what was the intention?  to add the panel launch icons?
[16:09] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.
[16:09] <ScottK> They aren't critical though.
[16:09] <Riddell> it does mean we can see when someone is running the netbook edition though :)
[16:09] <ScottK> Heh.
[16:10] <ScottK> By the time we get plasma-netbook in there, there won't be any doubt.
[16:10] <Riddell> right
[16:14] <ScottK> Riddell: I removed that file and made a new user and it has folderview.
[16:15] <ScottK> Riddell: Unfortunately it also has the social from the start stuff and we just don't have the room for it.
[16:16] <ScottK> Riddell: We will need to have to figure out the best way to have them different for netbook.
[16:20] <Riddell> we can have that hardcoded easily enough, if (QFile::exists("/usr/share/kubuntu-netbook-default-settings"))
[16:22] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  I'd say let's have the netbook default be just the desktop folder on the 'desktop' for now.
[16:22] <ScottK> Riddell: Would you toss that into the RC3 packaging?
[16:23]  * ScottK will fix k-n-d-s after the Alpha 3 freeze is lifted.
[16:24] <ScottK> Is switch user working for anyone?  It's not for me.
[16:26] <Riddell> meh, kwin crashed twice and now that I want to report it, it doesn't crash
[17:37] <Riddell> ScottK: what's at https://launchpad.net/bugs/403067 ?
[17:41] <ScottK> Riddell: Jockey crash.
[17:42] <ScottK> Riddell: You can see it now.
[17:50] <Riddell> _Sime: message on release-team regarding pykde
[17:51] <Riddell> all the fonts are very small after a netbook install
[17:53] <ScottK> Riddell: That's by design.  It's entirely possible we went overboard.
[17:53] <nixternal> hola kubunteros
[17:54] <Quintasan> nixternal: sup?
[17:54] <nixternal> chillin'...trying to figure out what I am going to do today
[17:54] <nixternal> looking through the non-existing jobs
[17:54] <Quintasan> nixternal: rc3 packaging :P
[17:54] <ScottK> nixternal: How about some ISO testing.
[17:55] <nixternal> the ninjas already have that in order I am sure
[17:55] <nixternal> always do ISO testing
[17:55] <Quintasan> ScottK++
[17:55]  * Quintasan looks around for his ninja suit and badge
[17:55] <nixternal> I am > < that close to automating my ISO testing
[18:05] <Quintasan> lol -> "emacs comes from times when Stallman had no beard"
[19:10] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[19:10] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: ping?
[19:10] <_Groo_> ScottK: ping?
[19:11] <Mamarok> Quintasan: he is born with a beard :)
[19:11] <_Groo_> anyone knows if it will be possible to backport kdebindings 4.3 for jaunty? i tried it with 50% sucess
[19:11] <_Sime> what went wrong?
[19:12] <_Groo_> i sucessfully backported the entire pack, from sip, to python-qt4, to kdebindings to qscintila
[19:12] <_Sime> did you have to do much?
[19:12] <_Sime> (it should be trivial enough)
[19:12] <_Groo_> unfortunatelly the new kdebindings breaks most if not all previously working python kde apps, like gdebi-kde, eric4, etc etc
[19:12] <_Sime> how?
[19:13] <_Groo_> since kdebindings needs new sip4, that needs new python-q4, that needs new qscintilla, etc etc :P somehow its not backward compatible with old code.
[19:14] <_Groo_> there are several bug reports in karmic about this.. one thing that broke was the printer-applet and kde printer settings.. had to go back to kdebindings from beta 2
[19:14] <_Sime> huh? beta 2 works but rcX doesn't?
[19:14] <_Groo_> so, to backport the packages is a lot of work but not impossible, unfortunatelly its NOT a easy transition
[19:15] <_Groo_> _Sime: beta2 didnt need such a high level python packages.. that changed after rc1
[19:15] <_Sime> ok, I gotcha.
[19:15] <_Groo_> i believe ScottK knows more about this problem
[19:15] <_Groo_> or maybe Riddell
[19:17] <_Groo_> anyway just to let you guys know the pain of kdebindigs
[19:18] <_Groo_> on another news i concluded my tests of qt 4.5.2 with raster enabled by default.. a huge sucess... everythings works like a charm and with must faster rendereings
[19:18] <_Groo_> the only workaround is in opera 10 that with qt4 builds needs to be forced with --graphicssystem native so it wont screw up the themes, besides that... a charm
[19:19] <_Groo_> i highly recomend the kubuntu devs to test builds of kubuntu 9.10 with raster enabled by default
[19:19] <Riddell> _Groo_: I've not tried backporting kdebindings although it's somewhere on my list of things to do if I have some time, I was worried it would get complex though
[19:19] <_Groo_> its trivial since it only requires a qt recompile, no need to recompile anything else
[19:20] <_Groo_> Riddell: you will have to backport, sip4, qscintila, python-qt4 ande kdebindings in this order
[19:20] <seele> what is the standard amount of memory in a netbook? 512MB or are they as much as 1GB?
[19:20] <_Groo_> Riddell: BUT it WILL break every single python-kde app and qt4 in the process
[19:21] <_Groo_> Riddell: so it would need to backport new eric4, new gdebi-kde, etc etc :P
[19:21] <_Sime> seele: 1Gb is standard now, except to the oldest and cheapest.
[19:21] <seele> _Sime: thanks
[19:23] <_Groo_> Riddell: its a diference in api introduced with new sip4 and python-qt4... old apps cant use it anymore, they complain about not finding sip or qscintilla or even pykde core
[19:23] <_Groo_> Riddell: new eric4 in karmic already has this fix, i bleieve gdebi-kde also, dont know about the rest
[19:24] <_Sime> everything should be able to find the modules, unless there is a packaging problem.
[19:25] <Riddell> right, python doesn't care about ABI and I know the API hasn't changed else we'd need to have changed our code
[19:26] <_Groo_> Riddell: didnt quite followed you, what do you mean?
[19:27] <_Groo_> _Sime: ah, now i understand, its not about finding but CALLING... the old apps use a old method and python complains, if you try to get the module by hand it works
[19:27] <Riddell> well it's python, you just "import PyKDE.Core" and as long as that module is available it should work
[19:28] <Riddell> what old method?
[19:28] <_Groo_> Riddell: thats the problem :D the calling changed..
[19:28]  * _Sime is updating his karmic to test.
[19:28] <Riddell> _Groo_: changed from what to what?
[19:28] <_Groo_> _Sime: in karmic i believe it works.. get a gdebi-kde from jaunty and try to run it in karmic
[19:29] <_Groo_> Riddell: dont remember the specifics now.. just do what i told _sime.. its a quick and easy test... gdebi-kde from jaunty will break in karmic
[19:29] <_Groo_> Riddell: or in jaunty with new packages
[19:49] <ryanakca> How does http://drupal.ryanak.ca/ look as the "Action" items for the KubuntuKarmicWebsite spec?
[19:49] <ryanakca> rgreening: ^^
[19:49] <rgreening> checking
[19:51] <rgreening> ryanakca: looking good. a couple of thoughts...
[19:51] <Riddell> wasn't there a fourth we wanted?
[19:51] <Riddell> icons look a wee bit too big on first impressions
[19:52] <rgreening> 1) can we cut the height of the banner to half and resize the icons accordingly. seems awfully BIG :)
[19:52] <rgreening> 2) can we image map the banner to have the icons clickable as well
[19:52] <Riddell> we do want it big, half the size would be too small I think
[19:52] <Riddell> right they need to be clickable
[19:52] <ryanakca> Riddell: Yes, that needs to be fixed
[19:53] <rgreening> 3) Kubuntu logo top left partially hidden behind the banner
[19:53] <ryanakca> Riddell: The four items were `"Download", "Get Help", "Support", "Tour"'
[19:53] <Riddell> that's the one
[19:53]  * ryanakca loves how websites always render differently for different users
[19:54] <ryanakca> http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/kwebsite1.png is how it displays here
[19:54] <rgreening> hhaha. Im using *yuk* arora
[19:55]  * ryanakca pulls it down
[19:55] <rgreening> ryanakca: looks good other than these comments though. :)
[19:56] <rgreening> ryanakca: make sure to test in FF, arora and Konqueror... just to be safe :)
[19:56] <ryanakca> Riddell: I'm thinking we can stick in the "Tour" icon once we get a tour... what should we switch out to make room for it, having four "action" items is too much imho...
[19:56] <rgreening> ryanakca: looks like the Kubuntu logo is drifting down in arora, and not top aligned. Not sure if an arora issue or a CSS one
[19:57] <rgreening> ryanakca: shrink the icons and cut the banner.
[19:57] <Riddell> four is reasonable enough
[19:57] <rgreening> the icons can be much smaller... so 4 wouldn['t look bad
[19:57] <rgreening> at the right size...
[19:58] <ryanakca> rgreening: Valid CSS :) http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://drupal.ryanak.ca/&profile=css21&usermedium=all&warning=1&lang=en
[19:58]  * ryanakca will fix it though, thanks :)
[19:59] <rgreening> ryanakca: :)   I meant in intrepretation in the browsers. could be valid, but the order intrepreted by browser can cause issues.
[19:59] <rgreening> moving things around sometimes helps :)
[19:59] <ryanakca> *nod*
[19:59] <rgreening> ty for your hard work on the web page though :P
[19:59] <ryanakca> Hehe :P
[19:59] <ryanakca> Did you ever get around to getting yourself a testserver setup?
[20:25] <Riddell> removed bug 391763, now in queue
[20:27] <Quintasan> Anyone uses Kickoff?
[20:29] <Riddell> surely everyone does?
[20:33] <_Sime> yes they do, and don't call me Shirley.
[20:35] <Riddell> for some reason I find that funnyer than I should
[20:37] <_Sime> it's a classic.
[20:45] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: ping
[20:46] <_Sime> Riddell:  gdebi-kde started up ok on karmic.
[20:48] <Riddell> the karmic version also starts up fine on jaunty
[20:48] <Riddell> _Groo_: ^^
[20:53]  * _Sime saw U2 last night. :-)
[20:59] <_Sime> printer-applet appears to be running in the background too.
[21:24] <apachelogger> yo
[21:26] <Monika|K> hi apachelogger
[21:56] <apachelogger> neversfelde: how is the SRU going?
[21:57] <neversfelde> apachelogger: It is waiting :)
[21:57] <apachelogger> man
[21:57] <apachelogger> you need to learn how to be a PITA of sru people :P
[21:58] <Riddell> which SRU?
[21:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 221531
[21:59] <Riddell> mm
[22:02] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: when are you pushing a new kcm-gtk?
[22:02]  * apachelogger would like to get rid of that settings category :P
[22:03] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: after alpha freeze probably
[22:03] <apachelogger> kk
[22:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, what to do about arora? apparently there isn't much hope for it within the team
[22:05] <JontheEchidna> blah, X fail
[22:06] <apachelogger> seele: any news on the category mess?
[22:07]  * apachelogger feels like reverting it for 4.3
[22:07] <seele> apachelogger: nothing at all. 0 response from the plasma people
[22:07] <seele> not even a stfu
[22:07] <ScottK> apachelogger: I say go for it.
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> that is probably precedent to revert
[22:07] <apachelogger> hm
[22:07] <apachelogger> seele: maybe wrong list?
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> oh: * apachelogger feels like reverting it for 4.3
[22:07]  * apachelogger thinks there are like 3 lists
[22:08] <ScottK> Since as Riddell reminded us it was the first way Kubuntu diverged from upstream, we should continue and not feel at all guilty.
[22:08]  * JontheEchidna didn't see that
[22:08] <JontheEchidna> er, not to ScottK's message
[22:08] <seele> apachelogger: no, chani forwarded it from the panel list to the plasma list
[22:08]  * JontheEchidna stfus
[22:09] <apachelogger> revert \o/
[22:20] <apachelogger> seele: I'll revert the change in the 4.3 branch for now, since it is not applied all over the menu and thus causes inconsistency anyway
[22:20] <apachelogger> if we don't hear back from the plasma doods I'll revert in trunk as well
[22:22] <Monika|K> what is it that you are reverting?
[22:23] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/kde-subcategories-43.ogv
[22:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: I still favour arora, it could come down to a council vote
[22:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: honestly, I don't see why the council should overrule a general consensus among the members :P
[22:27] <apachelogger> the arora thread on the list only carried negative opinions so far
[22:27] <apachelogger> if not all too well reasoned though :)
[22:27] <ScottK> Riddell: I've found arora to be pretty well a disaster on multimedia things and Konqueror working better than I've ever seen it in 4.3.
[22:27] <apachelogger> seele, Riddell: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xdg/2008-April/009454.html
[22:28] <Riddell> ScottK: multimedia things?
[22:28] <apachelogger> that thread ended with 3 mails though :D
[22:28] <ScottK> Riddell: Every time I click on something that's not html it just wants to download it.
[22:29] <apachelogger> seele: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=120826895022122&w=2 what do you think about that?
[22:29] <Nightrose> is there a recent aurora package to try for jaunty?
[22:30]  * Nightrose would like to know what the fuzz is about
[22:37] <claydoh> ScottK: ping
[22:37] <ScottK> claydoh: Pong
[22:37] <apachelogger> seele, ScottK, Riddell: rev 1001318
[22:37] <neversfelde> Nightrose: afaik there is 0.7.1 in jaunty backports. 0.8 was released a few days ago and there is no package yet.
[22:37] <apachelogger> Nightrose: just get the git branch
[22:37] <claydoh> ScottK: I am a little out of the loop re: release notes. when is alpha3 out?
[22:37] <apachelogger> only depends on Qt anyway
[22:38] <Nightrose> neversfelde: thx
[22:38] <ScottK> claydoh: Tomorrow.
[22:38] <Nightrose> apachelogger: don't wanna compile
[22:38] <seele> apachelogger: sweet
[22:38] <claydoh> ScottK: um, crap
[22:38] <claydoh> I can get something tonight I think
[22:38] <ScottK> Thanks.
[22:39] <ScottK> claydoh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/TechnicalOverview mentions a few issues for us.
[22:39] <ScottK> claydoh: The big news since Alpha 2 is the new Kubuntu Netbook Edition and we are now up to KDE 4.3 RC2.
[22:39] <claydoh> ScottK: thanks, just what I am looking for
[22:39] <claydoh> ScottK: ok
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KarmicKoala/Alpha3/Kubuntu
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> did that last month before the big netbook push
[22:40] <ScottK> apachelogger: Must be nice to have the powah.
[22:40] <ScottK> claydoh: ^^
[22:41] <JontheEchidna> needs a bit of version bumping, some screenshots, probably a word about arora
[22:41] <apachelogger> ScottK: as long as no one beats you up for reverting their crap ;-)
[22:41] <claydoh> ScottK: /me is there now
[22:41] <claydoh> JontheEchidna: ok
[22:41] <ScottK> claydoh: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Netbook is probably worth linking to.
[22:42] <ScottK> apachelogger: Russia's a long way from Austria.
[22:42] <apachelogger> you never know... maybe he got friends round here or something
[22:43] <apachelogger> friends.beat_up(apachelogger)
[22:43] <apachelogger> in a matter of speaking
[22:43]  * apachelogger should talk to krake about akonadiconsole
[22:43] <apachelogger> maybe we can get it indeed out of kdepim-runtime
[22:43] <apachelogger> that doens't solve the problem, but helps :D
[22:47] <apachelogger> meh, toma sez no :D
[22:48] <apachelogger> ScottK: I suppose -dev-tools is what we will use
[22:48]  * Sput misses adblock most in arora
[22:48]  * apachelogger misses mimetype integration
[22:48] <Sput> yeah, and KDE integration :)
[22:48] <apachelogger> even chrome got that right, and that is not even supposed to be usable at this point :P
[22:49] <Sput> arora is insanely fast though
[22:49] <ScottK> apachelogger: Get some agreement from Debian (like you've started), but yes.
[22:49] <Sput> and doesn't crash with bahn.de :P
[22:49] <apachelogger> Sput: chrome is faster :P
[22:49] <Sput> is it?
[22:49] <Sput> interesting
[22:49] <apachelogger> yus
[22:49] <apachelogger> got the faster js vm
[22:49] <Sput> didn't think that was possible :)
[22:49]  * Sput still uses konqueror though, because it has all the stuff that arora misses
[22:50] <Riddell> how do you read slashdot?
[22:50] <Sput> there are people reading slashdot? :>
[22:50] <Riddell> everyone reads slashdot!
[22:50] <Sput> well, if I get links, I use it with konq
[22:50]  * apachelogger isn't :P
[22:50]  * apachelogger only reads biased kubuntu news :P
[22:50]  * ScottK thought he read slashdot the other day, but doesn't recall what browser was running.
[22:51] <apachelogger> keeps me happy hacking
[22:51] <apachelogger> muhahaha :D
[22:51]  * Sput uses konqueror almost exclusively, and arora for the few pages that make it crash
[22:52] <apachelogger> as long as I can watch the special kind of flash entertainment videos any browser is good :P
[22:52]  * ScottK would like it if someone would work on lzma integration.
[22:52] <ScottK> The needed lib to build against is in my PPA.
[22:52] <apachelogger> ScottK: integration into what?
[22:52] <apachelogger> ark?
[22:52]  * ScottK still couldn't make ark work with lzma
[22:52] <ScottK> apachelogger: Yes.
[22:52] <apachelogger> lib => revu => archive => main => make worky
[22:52] <ScottK> In 4.3 it supports lzma if we build against the right stuff.
[22:53] <ScottK> apachelogger: lib is currently in Debian New.  I'd like to know if it's going to work before I go to the trouble.
[22:53] <ScottK> If someone proofs it out, I'll get it in Main.
[22:53] <apachelogger> ScottK: why does it not build?
[22:54] <apachelogger> does cmake not detect it properly?
[22:54] <ScottK> apachelogger: See my PPA for build logs.  It appeared to, but still no lzma in ark.
[22:56] <apachelogger> *look*
[22:57] <apachelogger> ScottK: -- Installing: /build/buildd/kdeutils-4.2.96/debian/tmp/usr/lib/kde4/kerfuffle_libxz.so
[22:57] <apachelogger> -- Installing: /build/buildd/kdeutils-4.2.96/debian/tmp/usr/share/kde4/services/kerfuffle_libxz.desktop
[22:57] <apachelogger> this is lzma support
[22:57] <apachelogger> buildds should run list-missing :P
[22:59] <ScottK> apachelogger: Cool.
[23:01] <apachelogger> ah
[23:01] <apachelogger> lp maintenance again
[23:01] <apachelogger> -.-
[23:07] <apachelogger> oh man, bazaar is down too :|
[23:07] <apachelogger> can't get latest package of foobar either
[23:07]  * apachelogger feels pretty dependent on lp now
[23:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: where is kmix' OSD coming from?
[23:16]  * rickspencer3 is making an alpha 3 Kubuntu Netbook USB start up disk
[23:17]  * apachelogger just did that and starts live session :D
[23:19] <Riddell> apachelogger: it's a patch I wrote for kmix
[23:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: was it dropped from karmic?
[23:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: no, still works for me
[23:20] <apachelogger> well
[23:20] <apachelogger> I can't find the patch :D
[23:20] <Riddell> I'd like to convince agataux to port it to real notifications
[23:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: oh it got merged upstream yonks ago
[23:20] <apachelogger> ah, that explains
[23:22]  * Nightrose just installed jaunty for her room mate
[23:22] <Nightrose> he loves it
[23:22] <apachelogger> jaunty is so last year :P
[23:23] <Riddell> jaunty looks really old fashioned compared to 4.3
[23:23] <Nightrose> heh he _really_ isn't the right guy for any testing yet
[23:23] <Nightrose> jep i'll upgrade him to 4.3 when there are packages
[23:25] <apachelogger> yay
[23:25] <apachelogger> latest netbook live fails to start
[23:25] <Riddell> worked for me and ScottK
[23:25] <Riddell> except kwin crashed for me randomly
[23:26] <apachelogger> maybe the rsync broke
[23:29]  * rickspencer3 starts installing kubuntu on my eeePC 900a
[23:32]  * rickspencer3 notes that start up sound works on first boot
[23:32] <Nightrose> \o/
[23:32] <rickspencer3> can I install from a live instance?
[23:35] <apachelogger> rickspencer3: via the menu
[23:35] <rickspencer3> apachelogger: thanks'
[23:35] <apachelogger> I nuked the folderview widget so the install icon is gone from the desktop :S
[23:35] <rickspencer3> I couldn't find it and rebooted
[23:36]  * rickspencer3 goes strait to the installer
[23:36] <rickspencer3> straight even