[00:01] The patches add a few new query syntaxes plus handling for them, so I introducing them won't hurt existing functionality at all. They should be safe to include in the official packages [00:03] I guess I'll make it compile for now. [00:03] and wait for RC3 === asac__ is now known as asac [00:07] maco: a bilbo package is in my ppa [00:07] btw. it needs a second advocate? [00:10] well, seems that this is not a new info :) [00:25] Anyone do any iso testing yet? [00:26] neversfelde: i just pbuilder'd what you have on revu. and im not able to advocate, though i can confirm it builds just dandy [00:27] maco: :) [00:28] It is alpha freeze afaik, so it is not so urgent [00:28] alpha freeze only applies to main [00:28] universe is free for uploading [00:30] did not know it [00:30] so it is urgent :D [00:31] aaaaaaaaand it just crashed [00:31] maco: you should report it to @mtux on identi.ca [00:32] or just !bilbo [00:32] crashed and spewed a "temporary" post to my blog [00:33] maco: I tested 0.9 with wordpress, it worked [00:33] the version on revu is a beta1, so this is probably a problem [00:33] im trying with blogger since the wordpress i intend to use it on is not yet configured for post-from-app [00:34] when i clicked "get style" or whatever bilbo calls that button, it crashed [00:39] any chance you know what Q_Q() means in qt stuff? [00:50] ScottK: installing i386 now [00:53] !ninjas [00:53] Help! apachelogger, Arby, devfil, JontheEchidna, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, tsimpson, vorian [00:53] "KDE 4.3 RC3 tarballs uploaded" [00:54] to be made public in 12 hours [00:55] tight operation, but at least we have a bit o' warning [00:55] TO THE BATCAVE [00:56] 12h thats really a lot of time :) [00:58] hopefully things go perfect on the first build (no moved files, etc) [00:58] kubuntu-devel post From: Chris looks suspicious (or incompetant) [01:14] Riddell: it should likely be a reply to seele's post [01:14] but yea [01:16] i386 desktop CD seems good for alpha [01:34] Riddell: I don't know what else to do about the installer :) [01:35] shtylman: I'll try it again tomorrow now that I have karmic installing [01:35] k...if it doesn't work... well... jesus... I have no idea [01:35] I will ask someone else to try it for sanity sake === rickspencer3_ is now known as rickspencer3-afk [02:55] Riddell: Do you know who to ping to get Kubuntu on the ISO tracker? [03:12] yo [03:59] anyone using KDE 4.3 RC2 ? [04:03] Gon: It's in Karmic and one of the Jaunty PPAs. Lots of us using it. [04:09] on login, plasma desktop scan my wallpaper-diretories [04:09] but... [04:09] why appears a dialog showing a progress bar? [04:10] in 4.2.4 did the same, but silently. [04:11] I don't know. I don't recall seeing that. [04:12] I'm using Presentation mode for wallpapers... [04:12] No suggestions. Sorry. [04:13] Well, I think that dialogue is widely [04:42] one more thing... [04:42] kde microblog plasmoid doesn't show my friends updates from twitter [04:42] D: [04:51] what is "\reimp" besides the most useless excuse for documentation ever? [05:05] Gon: It used to? [05:06] ? [05:26] Show your friends? [05:27] only show my updates [05:32] heh it doesnt show anything at all for me [05:32] my avatar and a textbox that it won't let me type in. that's all [05:51] * ScottK suggests filing upstream bugs. [06:05] What's the name of the widget we use for showing the 'desktop'? [06:26] show Desktop widget? [06:42] folderview [06:42] what? [06:43] The folderview widget is the one I couldn't remember before. [06:43] Sorry. It's late and I'm tired. [06:43] oh that kind of showing desktp [06:43] Yes. [06:47] If anyone could look at today's Live CD (desktop and/or netbook) and see if they could replicate Bug #402877 or Bug #402878 that would be good. [06:48] * ScottK goes to collapse. [06:48] rickspencer3-afk: ^^ [06:48] oops [06:48] meant Riddell^^^ [06:49] Launchpad bug 402877 in ubiquity "Ubiquity crashed with NotImplementedError: ubiquity.fronted.kde_ui.Wizard does not implement ma_get_choices" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/402877 [06:49] Launchpad bug 402878 in kubuntu-netbook-default-settings "Folderview (with install icon) missing for live desktop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/402878 [08:30] ola [09:58] ScottK: are you sure you used the latest desktop CDs? the ones from yesterday morning had those problems but not the ones from European evening [10:03] Riddell: I didn't think it was fixed till this mornings not last nights? [10:03] I could be wrong though [10:03] davmor2: what was fixed this morning? [10:04] updated ubiquity isn't it. [11:17] Could an Italophone please look over http://pastebin.ca/1503026 ? [11:18] Tonio_: ^^ :) [11:19] this is driving me mad: my video card works like a charm in Gnome, but not in KDE, is it an upstream problem? dfaure seems to have the same problem than I have [11:19] just tried, so either it's our packages, or it's KDE, but that's a huge bug IMHO [11:21] Riddell: :) [11:21] Riddell: I don't speak itilian unfortunatelly :) [11:23] Riddell: only my grand parents did :) [11:24] ryanakca: I'll have a look, moment [11:27] ryanakca: looks good, is there nothing named kubuntu in Italy? [11:32] Mamarok: does KDM show? [11:34] Mamarok: is this something new? [11:35] Mamarok: what doesn't work? [11:35] Riddell: no, I was never able to run the fglrx driver in KDE since Jaunty RC1, and just ried in Gnome and it works! [11:36] What happens when you try? === zorael_ is now known as Zorael [11:38] Riddell: I probably had the older one then. [11:38] * ScottK starts another download. [11:39] sebas: can't start KDE, everything freezes on login [11:39] ugh [11:39] works without problems with the radeon driver, but I can't ue OpenGL with that driver, only XRander [11:40] What graphicschip do you use? [11:40] * Mamarok has a ATI HD3650 [11:40] I used to use the fglrx driver, but I'm now on the Free radeon one [11:40] Hm, dunno if the Free driver supports that chip [11:40] Does it? :) [11:41] sebas: well, the fglrx did till Jaunty alpha six or so [11:41] don't remember what changed then, either the xorg version or the fglrx one [11:42] sebas: as I said, I use the radeon driver, but have no 3D unforutnately with it, so only basic de stuff with XRander [11:42] Hm, I think 3d support for those chips just landed upstream, so it'll take a bit [11:44] sebas: what puzzles me more is that, with the same driver and xorg, compisiting works like a charm in Gnome [11:44] compositing* [11:44] all 3D enabled, no freezes, just like it should work in KDE, but it doesn't, using 4.2.96 here [11:45] KDE still freezes on startup when DE is enabled [11:45] likely we or Qt are hitting a rendering path that's not being used by gnome (compiz?), and which hasn't been tested [11:49] worth exploring that path I would say, as we have had numerous reports with ATI cards failing on KDE with desktop effects, even basic transparency [12:02] Well, the path ends quickly as fglrx.ko doesn't provide source [12:52] есть тут кто? [12:56] Mamarok: No clue, I just got an email asking we put it up on the website under Community & Support, I didn't know if it was just a pile of bogus or if it was good content. [12:59] ryanakca: well, it's instruction son where ot find help for Kubuntu in Italian, but what puzzles me is that there is nothing really Kubuntu specific, all links point to ubuntu links. [12:59] Ah, yes, I see. [13:00] Mamarok: I can stick up #kubuntu-it , it's a redirect to #ubuntu-it ... [13:01] Riddell: psu arrived yet? [13:02] seaLne: yep, postman just came [13:02] my laptop is alive! [13:02] cool [13:02] and it's got a water bottle to go with it [13:02] thanks seaLne [13:03] Riddell: is there still a general problem with lack of working sound or is it only some soundcards/other variable? [13:10] seaLne: sounds seems to be working for me on a karmic install from today's CD [13:10] so does network surprisingly, I thought people had said NM was broken with any encryption [13:10] pnma dosen't even run for me atm [13:11] i get a blank space on the panel that i can right click but not left click [13:13] downloading todays daily to see if it behaves any differently === sebas is now known as wstephenson === wstephenson is now known as sebas [13:34] * ryanakca crosses off another item from the KubuntuKarmicSpec, hurray! http://www.kubuntu.org/support is now readable :) [13:44] ryanakca: there is a typo under Planet, it is Deutschpsrachigen Kubuntu Community but has to be Deutschsprachigen Kubuntu Community [13:46] neversfelde: Ah, thanks [13:48] ryanakca: under other languages, the link says "deitsch", should be "deutsch" [13:49] sebas: *nod*, I spotted that when I tried to go to neversfelde's page :) [13:49] * sebas too :) [13:51] neversfelde: Fixed, thanks [13:51] anyone having problems with PyQt4 on Karmic? [13:51] ryanakca: I will have a look at the german text, could be a bit shorter [13:51] When I run this: python -c 'from PyQt4.QtCore import *' [13:52] it complains there is no module named QtCore [13:52] :( [13:52] (yes, I checked it's installed) [13:52] at least the list of links is not necessary [13:57] jonathan@jonathan-desktop:~$ python -c 'from PyQt4.QtCore import *' [13:57] jonathan@jonathan-desktop:~$ [14:02] such a shame in kubuntu-devel, that the alpha works better then stable 9.04 [14:13] JontheEchidna: strange [14:13] * agateau tries to update [14:17] quassel208: KDE is making significant strides with every release, so it's good news KDE 4.3 rc2 is working better than KDE 4.2.2. [14:20] Does today's Kubuntu desktop image have folderview and the link to install? [14:20] Yes it does [14:20] Urgh. [14:20] Riddell: Any ideas why it might be missing off the netbook ISO? Where does that get set? [14:21] Folderview is good thing, when used problablly [14:21] netbook iso? [14:21] ScottK: is plasma-widget-folderview in the seed? [14:21] JontheEchidna: It is. [14:21] I can add it manually. [14:22] There's no doubt some setting fiddling I'm missing. [14:22] but nice to see kubuntu in devel improve while I was in Thailand [14:22] ScottK: it is added to the desktop by default in the code even before we patch it for the other default applets [14:22] Hmmm. [14:22] quassel208: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Netbook [14:22] it's really strange that it wouldn't be added [14:23] So most issues with intel gma are fixed? [14:23] what kubuntu doesnt use konqeuror by default anymore? [14:24] it probably will again by 9.10, arora isn't ready === rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3 [14:24] so now there is like version for nettops to? or its only for netbooks? [14:26] it's geared towards small-screened netbook type devices [14:26] but I suppose it'd be usable on a laptop [14:26] I gues on nettop u better can use the normall version, nettop is more powerfull trhe netbook [14:27] esspecialy the intel atom 330 [14:27] quassel208: How big is the screen size? [14:27] 19inch [14:28] Yes, I'd use the desktop edition then. [14:28] 1440 x 900 [14:28] Netbook is more about screen size than CPU (although we do some stuff there too). [14:28] cpu is not bad in most netbooks [14:29] claydoh: Doing release notes for Alpha 3? [14:29] Anyone else doing them? [14:37] JontheEchidna: Figured it out. live CD persistence has kicked my butt. I'd been in a live CD before and removed it. [14:38] Artemis_Fowl: pong [14:38] seele: how will the GHNS button look like eventually? have you come to a decision? [14:39] seele: actually right now, the action that will be placed in menus/toolbars concerns me [14:39] Artemis_Fowl: Get New [Object]... [14:39] with the GHNS star icon, right? [14:40] yes [14:40] ok thanx [14:40] GHNS? [14:40] Get Hot New Stuff [14:40] ScottK: get hot new stuff [14:40] Ah. [14:40] KNS is the namespace [14:41] * seele still doesnt get the namespace thing in development [14:42] it's a container for classes-objects [14:44] Artemis_Fowl: I'm reasonably certain that didn't help. [14:45] I'd appreciate it if someone else would boot the netbook ISO to make sure the folderview is there. [15:04] hmm.. not a peep out of the plasma people about kickoff [15:13] ryanakca: yay [15:18] Artemis_Fowl: its on http://weblog.obso1337.org/2009/fixing-kns-button-inconsistency/ for future reference [15:19] maco: yeah, I know [15:19] maco: the action is ready to be committed [15:21] maco: have you done any work on the button? [15:23] Artemis_Fowl: no, i was trying to learn a bit of c++ last night [15:23] i have to modify qt for a school project anyway. c++ is ugly :-/ [15:26] Riddell: that kfm change that was committed to ~kubuntu-members/kdebase/ubuntu for bug 399155 was accepted upstream .... though looking at the revision, the patch wasnt actually put into debian/patches/ even though the debian/patches/series was edited to include it [15:26] Launchpad bug 399155 in hundredpapercuts "Non-Konqueror browser in KDE results in bouncing icons for both browsers" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/399155 [15:26] missed a "bzr add" maybe? [15:27] the perils of using a revision control system [15:29] 4.3 rc2 is nice :) i love my dashboard now [15:29] :D [15:51] ScottK: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/DependencyGraph updated [15:54] Riddell: Cool. Thanks. [15:59] davmor2: Can you do the entire disk test for Kubuntu Netbook? [16:00] ScottKI can in vm but I need my netbook so I can't really test on it. But if vm is okay then yes [16:00] ScottK: netbook edition lacks folderview for me but also kwin didn't start [16:01] Riddell: Odd. Any idea how that could happen? [16:01] kwin started here fine. [16:01] nope, works fine from desktop CD and kwin starts manually ok [16:01] Riddell: Where is the folderview being there specified? [16:02] nothing much in .xsession-errors [16:02] Perhaps something we did in the netbook settings is interfering with it? [16:02] ScottK: default plasma widgets are hardcoded into plasma [16:02] OK. Hard to imagine I broke that. [16:02] but I guess /usr/share/kubuntu-netbook-default-settings/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc or /usr/share/kubuntu-netbook-default-settings/share/config/plasmarc breaks it [16:03] * ScottK fiddles around. [16:03] yeah there's no folderview in plasma-desktop-appletsrc [16:03] OK. [16:03] that could well be deliberate but then we'd need to think of another way to get the install icon there [16:04] or just have ubiquity started as part of the startup [16:04] I put that in there, it wasn't deliberate. [16:05] trouble with plasma-desktop-appletsrc is that it's unreliable, that's why we went back to hardcoding it for the desktop ISO [16:05] it doesn't adapt well to different screen sizes [16:06] Is it still unreliable? [16:06] I doubt it's changed, upstream were talking about having some XML thing for default setups but I havn't heard anything about that [16:07] ..recently [16:07] OK [16:07] I guess I revert that bit then. [16:09] ScottK: what was the intention? to add the panel launch icons? [16:09] Riddell: Yes. [16:09] They aren't critical though. [16:09] it does mean we can see when someone is running the netbook edition though :) [16:09] Heh. [16:10] By the time we get plasma-netbook in there, there won't be any doubt. [16:10] right [16:14] Riddell: I removed that file and made a new user and it has folderview. [16:15] Riddell: Unfortunately it also has the social from the start stuff and we just don't have the room for it. [16:16] Riddell: We will need to have to figure out the best way to have them different for netbook. [16:20] we can have that hardcoded easily enough, if (QFile::exists("/usr/share/kubuntu-netbook-default-settings")) [16:22] Riddell: OK. I'd say let's have the netbook default be just the desktop folder on the 'desktop' for now. [16:22] Riddell: Would you toss that into the RC3 packaging? [16:23] * ScottK will fix k-n-d-s after the Alpha 3 freeze is lifted. [16:24] Is switch user working for anyone? It's not for me. [16:26] meh, kwin crashed twice and now that I want to report it, it doesn't crash === rickspencer3_ is now known as rickspencer3 === Zorael is now known as Zorael^nb === Zorael^2 is now known as Zorael [17:37] ScottK: what's at https://launchpad.net/bugs/403067 ? [17:37] Error: This bug is private [17:41] Riddell: Jockey crash. [17:42] Riddell: You can see it now. [17:50] _Sime: message on release-team regarding pykde [17:51] all the fonts are very small after a netbook install [17:53] Riddell: That's by design. It's entirely possible we went overboard. [17:53] hola kubunteros === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [17:54] nixternal: sup? [17:54] chillin'...trying to figure out what I am going to do today [17:54] looking through the non-existing jobs [17:54] nixternal: rc3 packaging :P [17:54] nixternal: How about some ISO testing. [17:55] the ninjas already have that in order I am sure [17:55] always do ISO testing [17:55] ScottK++ [17:55] * Quintasan looks around for his ninja suit and badge [17:55] I am > < that close to automating my ISO testing [18:05] lol -> "emacs comes from times when Stallman had no beard" [19:10] <_Groo_> hi/2 all [19:10] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: ping? [19:10] <_Groo_> ScottK: ping? [19:11] Quintasan: he is born with a beard :) [19:11] <_Groo_> anyone knows if it will be possible to backport kdebindings 4.3 for jaunty? i tried it with 50% sucess [19:11] <_Sime> what went wrong? [19:12] <_Groo_> i sucessfully backported the entire pack, from sip, to python-qt4, to kdebindings to qscintila [19:12] <_Sime> did you have to do much? [19:12] <_Sime> (it should be trivial enough) [19:12] <_Groo_> unfortunatelly the new kdebindings breaks most if not all previously working python kde apps, like gdebi-kde, eric4, etc etc [19:12] <_Sime> how? [19:13] <_Groo_> since kdebindings needs new sip4, that needs new python-q4, that needs new qscintilla, etc etc :P somehow its not backward compatible with old code. [19:14] <_Groo_> there are several bug reports in karmic about this.. one thing that broke was the printer-applet and kde printer settings.. had to go back to kdebindings from beta 2 [19:14] <_Sime> huh? beta 2 works but rcX doesn't? [19:14] <_Groo_> so, to backport the packages is a lot of work but not impossible, unfortunatelly its NOT a easy transition [19:15] <_Groo_> _Sime: beta2 didnt need such a high level python packages.. that changed after rc1 [19:15] <_Sime> ok, I gotcha. [19:15] <_Groo_> i believe ScottK knows more about this problem [19:15] <_Groo_> or maybe Riddell [19:17] <_Groo_> anyway just to let you guys know the pain of kdebindigs [19:18] <_Groo_> on another news i concluded my tests of qt 4.5.2 with raster enabled by default.. a huge sucess... everythings works like a charm and with must faster rendereings [19:18] <_Groo_> the only workaround is in opera 10 that with qt4 builds needs to be forced with --graphicssystem native so it wont screw up the themes, besides that... a charm [19:19] <_Groo_> i highly recomend the kubuntu devs to test builds of kubuntu 9.10 with raster enabled by default [19:19] _Groo_: I've not tried backporting kdebindings although it's somewhere on my list of things to do if I have some time, I was worried it would get complex though [19:19] <_Groo_> its trivial since it only requires a qt recompile, no need to recompile anything else [19:20] <_Groo_> Riddell: you will have to backport, sip4, qscintila, python-qt4 ande kdebindings in this order [19:20] what is the standard amount of memory in a netbook? 512MB or are they as much as 1GB? [19:20] <_Groo_> Riddell: BUT it WILL break every single python-kde app and qt4 in the process [19:21] <_Groo_> Riddell: so it would need to backport new eric4, new gdebi-kde, etc etc :P [19:21] <_Sime> seele: 1Gb is standard now, except to the oldest and cheapest. [19:21] _Sime: thanks [19:23] <_Groo_> Riddell: its a diference in api introduced with new sip4 and python-qt4... old apps cant use it anymore, they complain about not finding sip or qscintilla or even pykde core [19:23] <_Groo_> Riddell: new eric4 in karmic already has this fix, i bleieve gdebi-kde also, dont know about the rest [19:24] <_Sime> everything should be able to find the modules, unless there is a packaging problem. [19:25] right, python doesn't care about ABI and I know the API hasn't changed else we'd need to have changed our code [19:26] <_Groo_> Riddell: didnt quite followed you, what do you mean? [19:27] <_Groo_> _Sime: ah, now i understand, its not about finding but CALLING... the old apps use a old method and python complains, if you try to get the module by hand it works [19:27] well it's python, you just "import PyKDE.Core" and as long as that module is available it should work [19:28] what old method? [19:28] <_Groo_> Riddell: thats the problem :D the calling changed.. [19:28] * _Sime is updating his karmic to test. [19:28] _Groo_: changed from what to what? [19:28] <_Groo_> _Sime: in karmic i believe it works.. get a gdebi-kde from jaunty and try to run it in karmic [19:29] <_Groo_> Riddell: dont remember the specifics now.. just do what i told _sime.. its a quick and easy test... gdebi-kde from jaunty will break in karmic [19:29] <_Groo_> Riddell: or in jaunty with new packages === ejat is now known as e-jat [19:49] How does http://drupal.ryanak.ca/ look as the "Action" items for the KubuntuKarmicWebsite spec? [19:49] rgreening: ^^ [19:49] checking [19:51] ryanakca: looking good. a couple of thoughts... [19:51] wasn't there a fourth we wanted? [19:51] icons look a wee bit too big on first impressions [19:52] 1) can we cut the height of the banner to half and resize the icons accordingly. seems awfully BIG :) [19:52] 2) can we image map the banner to have the icons clickable as well [19:52] we do want it big, half the size would be too small I think [19:52] right they need to be clickable [19:52] Riddell: Yes, that needs to be fixed [19:53] 3) Kubuntu logo top left partially hidden behind the banner [19:53] Riddell: The four items were `"Download", "Get Help", "Support", "Tour"' [19:53] that's the one [19:53] * ryanakca loves how websites always render differently for different users [19:54] http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/kwebsite1.png is how it displays here [19:54] hhaha. Im using *yuk* arora [19:55] * ryanakca pulls it down [19:55] ryanakca: looks good other than these comments though. :) [19:56] ryanakca: make sure to test in FF, arora and Konqueror... just to be safe :) [19:56] Riddell: I'm thinking we can stick in the "Tour" icon once we get a tour... what should we switch out to make room for it, having four "action" items is too much imho... [19:56] ryanakca: looks like the Kubuntu logo is drifting down in arora, and not top aligned. Not sure if an arora issue or a CSS one [19:57] ryanakca: shrink the icons and cut the banner. [19:57] four is reasonable enough [19:57] the icons can be much smaller... so 4 wouldn['t look bad [19:57] at the right size... [19:58] rgreening: Valid CSS :) http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://drupal.ryanak.ca/&profile=css21&usermedium=all&warning=1&lang=en [19:58] * ryanakca will fix it though, thanks :) [19:59] ryanakca: :) I meant in intrepretation in the browsers. could be valid, but the order intrepreted by browser can cause issues. [19:59] moving things around sometimes helps :) [19:59] *nod* [19:59] ty for your hard work on the web page though :P [19:59] Hehe :P [19:59] Did you ever get around to getting yourself a testserver setup? === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Archive: Alpha-3 soft-freeze | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | We need paperKuts! https://launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts [20:25] removed bug 391763, now in queue [20:25] Launchpad bug 391763 in kdenetwork "Kopete won't login yahoo" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/391763 [20:27] Anyone uses Kickoff? [20:29] surely everyone does? [20:33] <_Sime> yes they do, and don't call me Shirley. [20:35] for some reason I find that funnyer than I should [20:37] <_Sime> it's a classic. [20:45] seele: ping [20:46] <_Sime> Riddell: gdebi-kde started up ok on karmic. [20:48] the karmic version also starts up fine on jaunty [20:48] _Groo_: ^^ [20:53] * _Sime saw U2 last night. :-) [20:59] <_Sime> printer-applet appears to be running in the background too. [21:24] yo [21:26] hi apachelogger [21:56] neversfelde: how is the SRU going? [21:57] apachelogger: It is waiting :) [21:57] man [21:57] you need to learn how to be a PITA of sru people :P [21:58] which SRU? [21:58] Riddell: bug 221531 [21:58] Launchpad bug 221531 in kopete-plugin-thinklight "Thinklight doesn't blink because /proc/acpi/ibm/thinklight has wrong permissions" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/221531 [21:59] mm [22:02] JontheEchidna: when are you pushing a new kcm-gtk? [22:02] * apachelogger would like to get rid of that settings category :P [22:03] apachelogger: after alpha freeze probably [22:03] kk [22:03] Riddell: btw, what to do about arora? apparently there isn't much hope for it within the team [22:05] blah, X fail [22:06] seele: any news on the category mess? [22:07] * apachelogger feels like reverting it for 4.3 [22:07] apachelogger: nothing at all. 0 response from the plasma people [22:07] not even a stfu [22:07] apachelogger: I say go for it. [22:07] that is probably precedent to revert [22:07] hm [22:07] seele: maybe wrong list? [22:07] oh: * apachelogger feels like reverting it for 4.3 [22:07] * apachelogger thinks there are like 3 lists [22:08] Since as Riddell reminded us it was the first way Kubuntu diverged from upstream, we should continue and not feel at all guilty. [22:08] * JontheEchidna didn't see that [22:08] er, not to ScottK's message [22:08] apachelogger: no, chani forwarded it from the panel list to the plasma list [22:08] * JontheEchidna stfus [22:09] revert \o/ [22:20] seele: I'll revert the change in the 4.3 branch for now, since it is not applied all over the menu and thus causes inconsistency anyway [22:20] if we don't hear back from the plasma doods I'll revert in trunk as well [22:22] what is it that you are reverting? [22:23] http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/kde-subcategories-43.ogv [22:25] apachelogger: I still favour arora, it could come down to a council vote [22:26] Riddell: honestly, I don't see why the council should overrule a general consensus among the members :P [22:27] the arora thread on the list only carried negative opinions so far [22:27] if not all too well reasoned though :) [22:27] Riddell: I've found arora to be pretty well a disaster on multimedia things and Konqueror working better than I've ever seen it in 4.3. [22:27] seele, Riddell: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xdg/2008-April/009454.html [22:28] ScottK: multimedia things? [22:28] that thread ended with 3 mails though :D [22:28] Riddell: Every time I click on something that's not html it just wants to download it. [22:29] seele: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=120826895022122&w=2 what do you think about that? [22:29] is there a recent aurora package to try for jaunty? [22:30] * Nightrose would like to know what the fuzz is about [22:37] ScottK: ping [22:37] claydoh: Pong [22:37] seele, ScottK, Riddell: rev 1001318 [22:37] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=1001318&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 1001318 [22:37] Nightrose: afaik there is 0.7.1 in jaunty backports. 0.8 was released a few days ago and there is no package yet. [22:37] Nightrose: just get the git branch [22:37] ScottK: I am a little out of the loop re: release notes. when is alpha3 out? [22:37] only depends on Qt anyway [22:38] neversfelde: thx [22:38] claydoh: Tomorrow. [22:38] apachelogger: don't wanna compile [22:38] apachelogger: sweet [22:38] ScottK: um, crap [22:38] I can get something tonight I think [22:38] Thanks. [22:39] claydoh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/TechnicalOverview mentions a few issues for us. [22:39] claydoh: The big news since Alpha 2 is the new Kubuntu Netbook Edition and we are now up to KDE 4.3 RC2. [22:39] ScottK: thanks, just what I am looking for [22:39] ScottK: ok [22:39] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KarmicKoala/Alpha3/Kubuntu [22:40] did that last month before the big netbook push [22:40] apachelogger: Must be nice to have the powah. [22:40] claydoh: ^^ [22:41] needs a bit of version bumping, some screenshots, probably a word about arora [22:41] ScottK: as long as no one beats you up for reverting their crap ;-) [22:41] ScottK: /me is there now [22:41] JontheEchidna: ok [22:41] claydoh: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Netbook is probably worth linking to. [22:42] apachelogger: Russia's a long way from Austria. [22:42] you never know... maybe he got friends round here or something [22:43] friends.beat_up(apachelogger) [22:43] in a matter of speaking [22:43] * apachelogger should talk to krake about akonadiconsole [22:43] maybe we can get it indeed out of kdepim-runtime [22:43] that doens't solve the problem, but helps :D [22:47] meh, toma sez no :D [22:48] ScottK: I suppose -dev-tools is what we will use [22:48] * Sput misses adblock most in arora [22:48] * apachelogger misses mimetype integration [22:48] yeah, and KDE integration :) [22:48] even chrome got that right, and that is not even supposed to be usable at this point :P [22:49] arora is insanely fast though [22:49] apachelogger: Get some agreement from Debian (like you've started), but yes. [22:49] and doesn't crash with bahn.de :P [22:49]