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| RenatoSilva | ok, lp is os. now what? | 02:46 |
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| spiv | RenatoSilva: patches please, kthxbye ;) | 02:48 |
| dash | now the git and hg users have no excuse | 02:48 |
| RenatoSilva | spiv: is it easy to set up a local site? | 02:55 |
| RenatoSilva | spiv: any embedded db? | 02:55 |
| Snova_ | From what I've seen so far, it's largely automated, but it requires Apache and PostgreSQL and doesn't play too nicely with other stuff (particularly on the db). | 02:56 |
| spiv | #launchpad-dev might be more helpful... I'm not sure if you'd call it "easy" or not, standards vary. It needs PostgreSQL. | 02:56 |
| RenatoSilva | dash: for using lp? | 02:56 |
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| RenatoSilva | dash: it would be nice if we could do 1) bzr branch lp:launchpad 2) launchpad/start ---> starts buit-in web + db servers | 02:58 |
| RenatoSilva | dash: sorry | 02:58 |
| RenatoSilva | spiv: ^ | 02:58 |
| wgrant | It can never be like that. | 02:58 |
| RenatoSilva | why | 02:59 |
| wgrant | But there is a script (rocketfuel-setup, as seen on https://dev.launchpad.net/Getting) that does most of the work for you. | 02:59 |
| wgrant | Because LP isn't some trivial webapp. | 02:59 |
| RenatoSilva | wgrant: those steps are just for tests, patches etc | 03:00 |
| thumper | how do I add a new series to a project now? | 03:00 |
| wgrant | RenatoSilva: What do you mean? | 03:00 |
| RenatoSilva | wgrant: I just want to fix a bug. I don't care about performance. It should be easy to get, fix, instantiate and test. | 03:01 |
| RenatoSilva | wgrant: something like Moin desktop edition: download, extract, click on server.py. It's not an ideal installation, but for testing and bug fixing it's nice | 03:02 |
| ajmitch | launchpad is a bit bigger than moin | 03:03 |
| wgrant | Just a bit. | 03:03 |
| mwhudson | RenatoSilva: bear in mind until yesterday, people who downloaded launchpad to develop on it generally worked full time on launchpad | 03:04 |
| ajmitch | I'm sure that the current setup will be slimmed down a little over time, but probably not by a lot | 03:04 |
| mwhudson | it's going to take a while to adapt our processes to casual contribution | 03:04 |
| ajmitch | launchpad running on sqlite would be an interesting sight | 03:05 |
| mwhudson | ajmitch: yeah, how is sqlite's replication support? | 03:05 |
| * mwhudson hides | 03:05 | |
| spm | ajmitch: 'interesting' in the chinese curse sense? :-) | 03:05 |
| ajmitch | mwhudson: replication? who needs that? :) | 03:05 |
| ajmitch | spm: I wouldn't want to be touching it | 03:06 |
| * spm would love to see lp run on access/jet - for evil yuks | 03:06 | |
| ajmitch | ew | 03:06 |
| RenatoSilva | anyway, do you think that putting launchpad's code in launchpad will improve community collaboration. I mean, before we users just reported bugs, and you guys fixed them. Now we can branch, fix and send patches/merge proposals. Are you expecting this kind of thing? How open are you for this new scenario | 03:06 |
| thumper | ajmitch: we have some triggers and stuff in the schema that will fail with sqlite | 03:07 |
| spiv | Yes, patches are definitely welcome. | 03:07 |
| lifeless | RenatoSilva: very open to it | 03:07 |
| lifeless | RenatoSilva: launchpads code has been in launchpad for years :) | 03:07 |
| RenatoSilva | spm: MS access?? | 03:08 |
| ajmitch | thumper: I wasn't expecting it to ever work, there just aren't too many options for a 'desktop edition' :) | 03:08 |
| thumper | RenatoSilva: patches are welcome but one of the main reasons it was opened was to stop people complaining :) | 03:08 |
| mwhudson | spm: we'll get to that after i implement VSS imports | 03:08 |
| RenatoSilva | lifeless: cold be branch before? | 03:08 |
| RenatoSilva | lifeless: could we | 03:08 |
| thumper | RenatoSilva: you couldn't, lp devs could | 03:08 |
| spm | mwhudson: oh sweet! I looks forward to it! | 03:09 |
| thumper | RenatoSilva: we have private branches on Launchpad | 03:09 |
| RenatoSilva | thumper: but could we browse the code? | 03:09 |
| thumper | spm: just get jelmer to write bzr-vss :) | 03:09 |
| thumper | RenatoSilva: you couldn't, we could | 03:09 |
| Snova_ | What is VSS? | 03:09 |
| thumper | visual source safe :) | 03:09 |
| ajmitch | Snova_: evil incarnate | 03:09 |
| thumper | heh | 03:09 |
| RenatoSilva | thumper: ok then that's what I mean with putting the code in lp: publicly | 03:09 |
| spm | thumper: *only* if jelmer promises to rebase it a few times :-P | 03:10 |
| thumper | RenatoSilva: I think I missed your first point | 03:10 |
| lifeless | mwhudson: sqlite replication should be pretty easy to hook in | 03:11 |
| * RenatoSilva is thinking about setting up his environment to download lp and fix bugs he's interested in | 03:11 | |
| RenatoSilva | lifeless: ok then that's what I mean with putting the code in lp: publicly | 03:11 |
| thumper | RenatoSilva: once you have the environment set up, it is easy to create a new branch and fix a simple bug | 03:11 |
| thumper | RenatoSilva: it normally takes a new full time dev anywhere from 2 months to 6 months to be fully productive with the source | 03:12 |
| thumper | RenatoSilva: as a casual person, I expect it will take some time | 03:12 |
| RenatoSilva | do I need to be fullly productive to fix simple bugs? | 03:13 |
| RenatoSilva | is it so complex? | 03:13 |
| spiv | Hopefully not. Try it and tell us how you go! :) | 03:13 |
| lifeless | RenatoSilva: its pretty complex, but you could fix shallow bugs quite quickly I suspect | 03:14 |
| RenatoSilva | spiv: ok | 03:14 |
| * wgrant agrees with the 'pretty complex' bit. | 03:14 | |
| mwhudson | wgrant: i don't really think that's in any doubt | 03:14 |
| thumper | RenatoSilva: I'd say very complex | 03:15 |
| thumper | RenatoSilva: launchpad doesn't have a learning curve as much as a solid wall in front of you :) | 03:15 |
| RenatoSilva | lifeless: e.g. bug 326129 I expect | 03:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 326129 in firefox-3.1 "firefox-3.{5,6} bug, merge review comments don't get wrapped in <pre> block" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/326129 | 03:15 |
| thumper | RenatoSilva: hah, you'd be surprised | 03:16 |
| thumper | RenatoSilva: although that is on my list for this week | 03:16 |
| RenatoSilva | the info there is a bit confusing, what I see is just what I said there, a non-css rule whose support was removed in ff 3.5 | 03:17 |
| thumper | RenatoSilva: if you look at the bug report, and the styles we use, yes it is confusing | 03:18 |
| thumper | we are being told "don't use something you're not using" | 03:18 |
| RenatoSilva | why surprised? simpler or harder that I thought? | 03:18 |
| thumper | harder than you'd think with TAL | 03:18 |
| RenatoSilva | TAL? | 03:18 |
| ajmitch | zope's templating language | 03:18 |
| RenatoSilva | what does ZPT has to do with lp? | 03:19 |
| RenatoSilva | what does zope has to do with lp? | 03:19 |
| ajmitch | because launchpad is built on zope | 03:20 |
| RenatoSilva | aaaaaaaa! | 03:20 |
| RenatoSilva | isn't it apache | 03:20 |
| ajmitch | apache is only a web server | 03:20 |
| dash | RenatoSilva: you can use both. | 03:20 |
| RenatoSilva | can zope run under apache? | 03:20 |
| dash | RenatoSilva: but of course | 03:20 |
| ajmitch | yes, and usually does | 03:20 |
| * ajmitch isn't sure how much if any of the zope appserver stuff is used with LP | 03:21 | |
| RenatoSilva | thus I need zope? or lp uses a buit-in customized version? | 03:21 |
| mwhudson | ajmitch: i think it's still zserver somewhere in there | 03:21 |
| spiv | Probably more "behind" than "under". | 03:21 |
| ajmitch | LP has all those zope parts needed, afaik | 03:21 |
| spiv | RenatoSilva: zope is mainly a (very large) python library, really. | 03:22 |
| ajmitch | I shouldn't comment too much, I haven't dug around in the source a lot yet | 03:22 |
| dash | it's several large python libraries. | 03:22 |
| lifeless | ajmitch: we run apache, and zope's http servers too | 03:22 |
| RenatoSilva | spiv: so you just reuse code, and lp is not a "zope application", right? | 03:22 |
| thumper | RenatoSilva: kinda | 03:22 |
| thumper | RenatoSilva: we don't use the ZODB | 03:22 |
| lifeless | RenatoSilva: lp is a zope app, its also more than a zope app | 03:22 |
| thumper | RenatoSilva: but we do use zope traversal | 03:23 |
| thumper | and publishing | 03:23 |
| thumper | and security, authentication | 03:23 |
| thumper | and interfaces | 03:23 |
| thumper | components | 03:23 |
| thumper | zcml | 03:23 |
| thumper | el al | 03:23 |
| spiv | It relies in fundamental ways on large parts of the zope3 libraries. So I would describe it as a "zope application". | 03:23 |
| RenatoSilva | we use Plone/Zope at work, unfortunately. | 03:23 |
| thumper | et al | 03:23 |
| thumper | RenatoSilva: zope 3 | 03:23 |
| thumper | yay no acquisition | 03:23 |
| spiv | RenatoSilva: But, zope3 is a rather different beast to zope 3 / plone. | 03:23 |
| ajmitch | plone is a bit different, given its mix of zope 2 & 3 | 03:23 |
| spiv | Er, | 03:23 |
| spiv | "to zope *2*", I meant :) | 03:23 |
| lifeless | RenatoSilva: zope 3 is a totally different beast to zope2 | 03:23 |
| RenatoSilva | lifeless: it is a zope app? can I set up _my_ zope server? and just install a lp product? | 03:24 |
| lifeless | RenatoSilva: you're thinking zope2 | 03:24 |
| spiv | RenatoSilva: "products" are a zope2-ism. | 03:24 |
| lifeless | zope3 doesn't work like that | 03:24 |
| spiv | RenatoSilva: If I were you, I'd try to forget how zope2 installs work and just think of zope3 as another library that Launchpad has a dependency on. | 03:25 |
| RenatoSilva | lifeless: how does it work? | 03:26 |
| RenatoSilva | s/product/bunch of code which will only work inside an instance of the underlying application server | 03:27 |
| spiv | RenatoSilva: perhaps grab the source and look at what "make run" does? | 03:28 |
| RenatoSilva | spiv: then lp is _not_ a zope application right? apllication in the sense of what I mentioned above ^ | 03:28 |
| spiv | It's an application built on zope3. | 03:28 |
| lifeless | RenatoSilva: its not a 'zope 2 application' | 03:28 |
| lifeless | RenatoSilva: it is a 'zope 3 application' | 03:28 |
| lifeless | :) | 03:29 |
| spiv | It's not a thing you can use via zope 2's web admin interface. | 03:29 |
| RenatoSilva | lifeless: but it does not need a zope 3 instance, right? | 03:29 |
| wgrant | How about it be called a Zope Toolkit application? That name was introduced to attempt to avoid this confusion. | 03:29 |
| spiv | RenatoSilva: as opposed to a django instance? | 03:29 |
| RenatoSilva | spiv: zope 3 became a framework? | 03:30 |
| spiv | Yes, more or less. | 03:30 |
| RenatoSilva | ok I see | 03:31 |
| RenatoSilva | weird! | 03:31 |
| spiv | Zope 3 still has a very strong component-architecture flavour, it has lots of features in support of writing modular components, so you can in principle easily take various libraries/apps/whatevers written for zope 3 and glue them together nicely without excessive effort. | 03:32 |
| RenatoSilva | we use plone at work because it is 'secure', like all the other software is not, and you can be an idiot and it is still secure... | 03:33 |
| spiv | Plone is very mature, that's true. | 03:33 |
| ajmitch | if you're somewhat familiar with templating in plone, it's TAL | 03:34 |
| RenatoSilva | but is very ugly, had to set up, hard to maintain, user-unfriendly etc etc etc.. | 03:35 |
| spiv | RenatoSilva: Right, it's very mature ;) | 03:35 |
| RenatoSilva | ajmitch: I know TAL, I like it (iirc!) | 03:35 |
| ajmitch | oh good :) | 03:36 |
| RenatoSilva | I like the crazy way ZPT works, using slots etc... | 03:36 |
| RenatoSilva | it's the only nice part of zope/plone in my opinion... | 03:37 |
| RenatoSilva | ajmitch: it is nice to set up a template having built-in sample data, you can have a real view of a template offline, that's nice | 03:38 |
| ajmitch | yeah, I've had the pleasure of using plone myself | 03:39 |
| ajmitch | if you can call it that | 03:39 |
| * thumper is reminded of ChrisW's talk "why plone sucks" | 03:41 | |
| Snova_ | How would I request to delete an LP project? answers.launchpad.net/launchpad ? | 03:43 |
| thumper | yes | 03:44 |
| RenatoSilva | ajmitch: hehehe | 03:48 |
| RenatoSilva | thumper: why plone sucks? where's it? I'd love to show this to my boss :) | 03:48 |
| thumper | RenatoSilva: perhaps his website has it simplistix.co.uk | 03:49 |
| RenatoSilva | who's he | 03:49 |
| thumper | RenatoSilva: just some zope guy I worked with for a while | 03:49 |
| RenatoSilva | Python Package Management Sucks ---> hahaha | 03:49 |
| thumper | RenatoSilva: he makes a living on zope and plone :) | 03:49 |
| mwhudson | thumper: i think he called that talk "how plone rocks my world" in the end | 03:50 |
| thumper | mwhudson: ah, ok | 03:51 |
| RenatoSilva | hum like plone sucks but I love it | 03:52 |
| thumper | RenatoSilva: I don't think he loves it :) | 03:53 |
| RenatoSilva | well he says it rocks his world...is it a joke | 03:53 |
| thumper | yes | 03:53 |
| thumper | sarcasm | 03:53 |
| RenatoSilva | oh | 03:53 |
| * RenatoSilva hahahaha | 03:53 | |
| thumper | you have to know Chris :) | 03:53 |
| mwhudson | chris complains about _everything_ | 03:54 |
| thumper | and _everyone_ | 03:54 |
| RenatoSilva | by hating plone like me...hum he seems a nice guy :) | 03:54 |
| RenatoSilva | Plone: tThe hell in which I live my life from day to day” | 03:56 |
| RenatoSilva | hahahah | 03:56 |
| RenatoSilva | What's wrong with plone? It sucks! hahahaha | 03:57 |
| RenatoSilva | ok but coming back to beginning, lp is open source, now what? I mean... | 04:00 |
| RenatoSilva | what is lp good for? just another sofware community site? | 04:00 |
| RenatoSilva | why would I use it inside a company too | 04:01 |
| spiv | It's for what it's always been for. | 04:01 |
| RenatoSilva | not so many users, I don't see much sense | 04:01 |
| dash | well, what was it good for previously?-) | 04:01 |
| spiv | (Obviously someone could take the source and make it good for something else, though) | 04:01 |
| RenatoSilva | I mean, isn't lp sort of singleton? | 04:02 |
| thumper | RenatoSilva: as in, the one true launchpad? yes, and so it really should stay | 04:03 |
| spiv | A large part of what makes lp useful is having lots of projects all on the same site, so that reassigning bugs etc is easier. | 04:03 |
| thumper | RenatoSilva: we didn't open the code to get everyone to run their own | 04:03 |
| thumper | RenatoSilva: the release notes say this, I'm sure | 04:03 |
| spiv | But there's lots of useful code in the launchpad source, some of it could quite possibly be useful for completely different projects. | 04:03 |
| spiv | And some motivated users might even be kind enough to volunteer some bug fixes and other patches for us, if we're lucky :) | 04:04 |
| RenatoSilva | lp is for enabling a dev community to work nice, using bug tracker, answers, code repo and translations. I don't see much sense of creating a lp site on my company. Outside a company either, why not use lp.net... | 04:05 |
| ajmitch | I think most people would agree with you, that launchpad.net should be used unless there's some pressing need to keep things in-house | 04:06 |
| RenatoSilva | but what was your intention? was lp opened just for receiving contributions, or for people using lp instances on their own (which I don't see much sense) | 04:07 |
| spiv | Right. Opening the source wasn't done because we thought the world had a burning need to run lots of little in-house instances... | 04:07 |
| RenatoSilva | ok | 04:08 |
| spiv | It was opened to, well, share the source. | 04:08 |
| RenatoSilva | that's what I thought... | 04:08 |
| spiv | Which makes contributions possible, yes, but also makes it possible for people to reuse our code in ways we haven't thought of. | 04:09 |
| RenatoSilva | spiv: ok but there's not much sense on setting-up a self site don't you think...If I'd do so it would be only for the bug tracker... | 04:09 |
| RenatoSilva | unfortunately lp doesn't hve a task manager | 04:10 |
| spiv | RenatoSilva: well, I personally don't have much use for my own personal Launchpad, but I can't speak for the other 6 billion people on the planet :) | 04:10 |
| RenatoSilva | neither me :) | 04:10 |
| spiv | If you think there's not much sense in you setting one up, you're probably right :) | 04:10 |
| RenatoSilva | if lp had task management, I could think of replacing our sucking dotProject :) | 04:12 |
| spiv | I certainly hope that some parts of Launchpad do get reused by other people. Off the top of my head I know I'm happy that I can point to an example of using twisted.conch for a non-trivial server :) | 04:12 |
| spiv | Which should be helpful for people that are trying to learn how to use that part of Twisted. | 04:13 |
| SamB | also it reduces the flak directed at canonical for having it closed-source ;-) | 04:15 |
| lifeless | SamB: it doesn't, but I don't think that was a determining factor; lp was successful before we announced a time for opensourcing it :) | 04:17 |
| RenatoSilva | lifeless: whta do you, will people criticize canonical for _open-sourcing_ lp? o.O | 04:20 |
| RenatoSilva | * what do you mean | 04:21 |
| spm | spiv: I could certainly have used something LP like at $job-1, not so much my specific team, but the rest of the Apps Dev's sure could have. But even then it would be total overkill. too heavy; too many major unused (soyuz, translations) or missing features - dead set easy for non technical folks to follow their bugs reports; Project Management etc. | 04:56 |
| mwhudson | bug 337494 | 05:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 337494 in storm "Use ResultSets in subselects" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/337494 | 05:02 |
| poolie | https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mbp is timing out... | 05:15 |
| poolie | it wasn't the other day | 05:15 |
| poolie | on i guess counting my branches | 05:16 |
| mwhudson | poolie: probably finding which teams you're in that have branches | 05:16 |
| mwhudson | poolie: got an oops id? | 05:16 |
| poolie | yeah | 05:16 |
| poolie | https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=OOPS-1299EB89 | 05:16 |
| ubottu | https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1299EB89 | 05:16 |
| poolie | not necessarily a big deal | 05:16 |
| mwhudson | i'm reviewing thumper's fix for this right now | 05:16 |
| poolie | though i do actually use that page | 05:16 |
| poolie | \o/ | 05:16 |
| * RenatoSilva gtg, thanks everybody | 05:29 | |
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| Louie` | If I want to give a specific user permissions to my project at launchpad, do I have to create a group for me and him/them first? | 06:39 |
| Louie` | I can't find where a add them to the project. | 06:39 |
| jml | Louie`, yes, you have to make a team | 06:54 |
| Louie` | Okay, good :) | 06:55 |
| jml | Louie`, in general, the way Launchpad does access control is through teams | 06:55 |
| Louie` | jml: thank you jml, I just added my team as Drivers for the project. | 07:01 |
| Louie` | is there any permission panel for the team on my project. So team1 can do 123 but team2 can only do 23 | 07:02 |
| jml | I'm afraid not. | 07:03 |
| jml | well... other than the 'driver', 'maintainer' thing. | 07:03 |
| jml | and there are other controls on the pages of the various applications (Bugs, Translations, etc.) | 07:03 |
| Azag | hi | 07:04 |
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| * jml guesses EdwinGrubbs isn't actually around | 07:04 | |
| jml | Azag, hello | 07:04 |
| Azag | hi jml | 07:04 |
| Azag | I have register my first launchpad project | 07:04 |
| Azag | but I am having some problems with bazaar | 07:05 |
| Azag | :S | 07:05 |
| Azag | how I do to add other person to commit? | 07:05 |
| Louie` | haha, the same as me | 07:06 |
| Louie` | Azag: you need to create a group :) | 07:06 |
| Louie` | jml: thanks again. | 07:06 |
| jml | Louie`, no problems :) | 07:06 |
| Azag | I have create a group | 07:07 |
| jml | Azag, you need to create a team, and change the branch so that the team owns the branch. | 07:07 |
| Azag | a | 07:07 |
| Azag | ok | 07:07 |
| jml | Azag, then, the other person who wants to write to the branch needs to be a member of the team. | 07:07 |
| Azag | thnx! | 07:07 |
| Louie` | Oh, on branch level, thats nice. | 07:08 |
| Louie` | more then I knew. | 07:08 |
| Louie` | I just thought Maintainer, Driver on everything in the project. | 07:09 |
| jml | no | 07:17 |
| jml | Louie`, I was going to say, in answer to your earlier question, that permissions are generally set on the actual things you are interested in, for the most part. | 07:17 |
| jml | rather than in a central control panel. | 07:18 |
| jml | although arguably it should be both. | 07:18 |
| Louie` | Okay, thanks jml! | 07:20 |
| Louie` | Time for work. Have a nice day guys. | 07:20 |
| marioxcc | hello all | 07:38 |
| marioxcc | when i try to push | 07:38 |
| marioxcc | i get this error message | 07:38 |
| marioxcc | bzr: ERROR: Generic bzr smart protocol error: <ProtocolError for xmlrpc.lp.internal:8097/branchfilesystem: -1 > | 07:38 |
| marioxcc | ¿why? | 07:40 |
| spiv | jml: ^ | 07:47 |
| jml | spiv, sorry, I missed it. | 07:53 |
| jml | spiv, IRC proxy confusion. | 07:53 |
| jml | spiv, what's the issue? | 07:54 |
| spiv | jml: 16:38 < marioxcc> bzr: ERROR: Generic bzr smart protocol error: <ProtocolError for xmlrpc.lp.internal:8097/branchfilesystem: -1 > | 08:05 |
| jml | ahh, I see. | 08:05 |
| jml | it's unusual not to get an OOPS code in circumstances like that. | 08:05 |
| thisfred | hi, I have a translations question, from this link https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/trunk/+pots/ubuntuone-client/ there seems to be no way for a user to start adding suggestions for a new translation, | 08:49 |
| thisfred | yet if I deviously guess at the url for a language that isn't there yet, it seems to work. Shouldn't there be a way to navigate there then? I remember that's how it used to work... | 08:50 |
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| davidfraser | Fantastic news about open sourcing launchpad :-) | 09:32 |
| davidfraser | Note that there are links from the Python style guide to URLs like https://launchpad.canonical.com/DatetimeUsageGuide which are not accessible (This wiki is now closed. Please move private material to wiki.canonical.com/launchpad/ and public material to dev.launchpad.net) | 09:32 |
| davidfraser | barry: I edited the Python style guide to add an extra comma to the function definition wrapping example at the end, hope that's OK... | 09:33 |
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| dpm | jtv, henninge -> [09:49] <thisfred> hi, I have a translations question, from this link https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/trunk/+pots/ubuntuone-client/ there seems to be no way for a user to start adding suggestions for a new translation, | 11:48 |
| dpm | yet if I deviously guess at the url for a language that isn't there yet, it seems to work. Shouldn't there be a way to navigate there then? I remember that's how it used to work... | 11:48 |
| jtv | dpm: did the user set preferred languages to include the target language? | 11:48 |
| henninge | dpm: The assumption is that whoever can translate to a certain language has set that language as a preferred language. | 11:49 |
| henninge | dpm: Then it will show up by itself. | 11:49 |
| thisfred | henninge: jtv, thanks, I'll add that to the question, and confirm that they hadn't set it | 11:49 |
| jtv | thisfred: we do have some guessing logic IIRC, but obviously setting the right languages is better. | 11:50 |
| dpm | jtv, henninge, I did not talk to the user directly, thisfred did. But in any case, I can confirm this, I mean my preferred language is Catalan, and I see the complete list of templates there -> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/trunk/+pots/ubuntuone-client/ | 11:50 |
| dpm | if there wasn't a Catalan translation already, I wouldn't know how to start one right now | 11:51 |
| jtv | dpm: there's no Lao translation, and yet Lao shows up in the list for me. | 11:51 |
| dpm | jtv: oh, I see what you mean, ok | 11:51 |
| jtv | Or Khmer, Latin, or Bokmål | 11:51 |
| dpm | yep, that solves the question | 11:51 |
| henninge | dpm, jtv: I see Esperanto, untranslated. | 11:52 |
| thisfred | ok, thanks for helping evenryone! :) | 11:52 |
| henninge | dpm: I have set Esperanto as a preferred language. | 11:52 |
| jtv | "If you want something from us, you've got to tell us!" | 11:52 |
| henninge | dpm: I can click on Esperanto and start translating. | 11:52 |
| dpm | henninge: yes, yes, I understand it now, thanks! | 11:52 |
| henninge | oh | 11:52 |
| jtv | thisfred: one of our many UI plans involved pushing users harder towards setting their languages. Hope that'll help with this sort of thing. | 11:53 |
| henninge | dpm: oh, then I misread your last comment ;-) | 11:53 |
| dpm | henninge: np, I prefer additional info rather than none :-) | 11:53 |
| henninge | jtv: you know Bokmål? | 11:53 |
| * jtv moves out to the balcony. Much too hot, despite the eclipse (which I slept through anyway) | 11:53 | |
| henninge | dpm: I didn't read jtv's answer while I was typing .. ;-) | 11:54 |
| jtv | henninge: no, I can decipher bits of those languages | 11:54 |
| * henninge should add French, Danish and Spanish, then. | 11:55 | |
| jtv | Meanwhile poor เก๋ is out at the Erawan hotel waiting for the Liverpool players. | 11:55 |
| henninge | I assume that is Kay in Thai? | 11:55 |
| jtv | henninge: it's also that I like to keep an eye on a lot of languages that I'm either interested in or an at least recognize a bit of, just as a sanity check. | 11:55 |
| jtv | henninge: yes | 11:55 |
| jtv | เ = ay, ก = K, ๋ = rising tone (for syllables starting with middle-class consonants such as ก) | 11:56 |
| henninge | oh, it's rtl? | 11:56 |
| jtv | henninge: no, but some vowels come to the left of the consonant (cluster)s they follow. | 11:57 |
| henninge | jtv: oh right, you had explained that before. | 11:57 |
| jtv | henninge: it makes the combined vowels nicer: เกา เกีย เกือ | 11:58 |
| jtv | Easy to remember: the subscript vowels don't combine—กุ กู | 11:58 |
| henninge | jtv: right ... ;-) | 11:59 |
| henninge | "Happy End für Launchpads Befreiung" | 11:59 |
| henninge | Linux Magazin Headline | 11:59 |
| jtv | henninge: weird way to phrase it... | 11:59 |
| henninge | yes, what I thought. | 12:00 |
| jtv | Why not "endlich bereit, Launchpad befreit!" or somesuch? I mean, this _is_ the Befreiung. | 12:00 |
| geser | a question about LP API: are the results of archive.getPublishedSources() sorted? newest first? | 12:23 |
| jtv | geser: hang on, I'll see if I can get someone who knows. | 12:27 |
| jtv | geser: actually, it's pretty obvious: sorted by source package name. | 12:29 |
| jtv | geser: after that, by age of source package publishing history entry, newest first. | 12:30 |
| jtv | geser: wouldn't rely on that much detail though unless you really need it :) | 12:30 |
| geser | jtv: ok, thanks | 12:30 |
| jtv | np | 12:30 |
| geser | jtv: I'm thinking it it would be possible to replace a call to rmadison to check the current version of a package in Debian with using LP API and distribution['debian'] but as all packages there have status 'Pending' I can't filter on status = 'Published' | 12:32 |
| jtv | geser: you're talking to someone who works on very different parts of the code, but bigjools may be able to help. | 12:33 |
| jtv | or al-maisan. | 12:33 |
| al-maisan | just a minute.. | 12:33 |
| * al-maisan is on a call | 12:34 | |
| bigjools | geser: let me check that out for you | 12:36 |
| bigjools | geser: you can use status="Pending" | 12:37 |
| geser | and the first result will the most recent one? | 12:38 |
| bigjools | geser: yes | 12:38 |
| geser | thanks | 12:39 |
| bigjools | welcome | 12:39 |
| geser | bigjools: is the debian distribution updated regularly? i.e. is using it as relyable as using rmadison? | 12:41 |
| bigjools | geser: yes, the imports run twice a day | 12:41 |
| simon-o | hi, where do I find the Launchpad Buildd Admins? | 12:47 |
| bigjools | simon-o: I can help, what's up? | 12:47 |
| simon-o | bigjools: I received an email about a failed build. But I'm not sure what to do about it. | 12:48 |
| simon-o | * Build Log: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/advi/1.6.0-14/+build/1125569/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-powerpc.advi_1.6.0-14_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 12:48 |
| bigjools | let me check it | 12:48 |
| bigjools | hevea: Depends: ocaml-base-nox-3.11.0 but it is not installable | 12:49 |
| geser | ocaml FTBFS due a texlive breakage | 12:51 |
| geser | but I don't know if it's fixed (on PPC) | 12:51 |
| bigjools | simon-o: do you need the powerpc build? if not, ignore it, else wait for the ocaml build to be fixed then retry yours | 12:51 |
| simon-o | bigjools: No, I don't need it. I just wanted to make sure, that no action from me is required :) | 12:52 |
| simon-o | thanks | 12:52 |
| simon-o | How do I retry the build? | 12:52 |
| bigjools | there will be a link on the build's page | 12:53 |
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| simon-o | bigjools: ok. thanks | 12:53 |
| bigjools | np | 12:53 |
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| bochecha | hi | 14:48 |
| bochecha | I'd like to report bug / participate in mailing lists for a project hosted at launchpad.net, and before I open an account in Launchpad, I wanted to know one thing: Launchpad can act as an OpenID provider but can I log in using my own OpenId provider ? | 14:50 |
| bochecha | that would allow me to log in wothout opening yet another account on yet another webapp :) | 14:50 |
| Ursinha | bochecha, no, launchpad is a openid provider, but not consumer | 14:51 |
| bochecha | Ursinha, any plans for it in the near future ? | 14:52 |
| Ursinha | not that I'm aware of :) | 14:53 |
| bochecha | ok, I'll open an account then, just wanted to be sure :) | 14:53 |
| bochecha | thanks | 14:53 |
| Ursinha | bochecha, no problem! | 14:53 |
| bochecha | and btw, kudos to the launchpad team for finally opening it! :) | 14:53 |
| kiko | bochecha, we do indeed have plans to become a consumer | 14:56 |
| kiko | it is part of our openid plan | 14:56 |
| Ursinha | kiko, but in the near future? | 14:56 |
| cperrin88 | Hey, I'm wondering how long it takes to get a review for my translation file | 14:57 |
| cperrin88 | I don't want to be impatient of course | 14:57 |
| cperrin88 | I'm just wondering | 14:57 |
| henninge | cperrin88: a template ? | 14:58 |
| cperrin88 | yes | 14:58 |
| kiko | cperrin88, it's usually within a few hours -- henninge does the CHR still do that? | 14:58 |
| henninge | kiko: never did, we do that. | 14:58 |
| kiko | henninge, right, I meant s/still/already because I know there are plans afoot | 14:59 |
| henninge | kiko: yes but it is quite complex | 14:59 |
| henninge | cperrin88: which project? | 14:59 |
| cperrin88 | pycobo | 14:59 |
| henninge | cperrin88: did you already upload something? | 15:01 |
| cperrin88 | yeah | 15:01 |
| cperrin88 | https://translations.launchpad.net/pycobo/trunk/+imports | 15:01 |
| cperrin88 | should I mention that I'm using edge? | 15:02 |
| henninge | cperrin88: no | 15:03 |
| henninge | cperrin88: you should be uploadeing the "en" file as the template (*.pot) | 15:04 |
| henninge | cperrin88: also it should be clear what translation domain you are using, I guess it is not "django" because usually it is more like the name of the project. | 15:05 |
| cperrin88 | I can't change taht | 15:05 |
| cperrin88 | I'ts generated automatically | 15:05 |
| cperrin88 | by django | 15:05 |
| cperrin88 | well | 15:05 |
| cperrin88 | at least I don't know how | 15:05 |
| henninge | cperrin88: usually these things can be configured or you can write a little script to do the renaming. | 15:07 |
| cperrin88 | hmmm | 15:07 |
| cperrin88 | okay | 15:07 |
| cperrin88 | but what are these pot files? | 15:07 |
| cperrin88 | I'm pretty new to this | 15:07 |
| henninge | cperrin88: RTFM | 15:07 |
| cperrin88 | sorry | 15:08 |
| henninge | cperrin88: they are the English strings that you want to have translated. | 15:08 |
| henninge | cperrin88: so the "template" that translators fill in with their language. | 15:08 |
| henninge | cperrin88: Make sure you read https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/YourProject | 15:09 |
| cperrin88 | ah | 15:09 |
| cperrin88 | okay | 15:09 |
| cperrin88 | so it's a normal po file with english words, right? | 15:09 |
| henninge | cperrin88: as the msgid entries, yes. | 15:11 |
| cperrin88 | okay, thank you :) | 15:11 |
| henninge | cperrin88: as I said, the English file in the queue has the right format for a pot, it just needs to be named correctly. | 15:11 |
| henninge | cperrin88: I recommend "pycobo.pot" and "de.po", both in the *same* directory. | 15:12 |
| henninge | cperrin88: one more thing | 15:16 |
| cperrin88 | yes? | 15:16 |
| henninge | cperrin88: in the German translation you use HTML entities for the Umlaute. | 15:17 |
| cperrin88 | yes | 15:17 |
| henninge | cperrin88: but the header says its UTF-8 | 15:17 |
| henninge | cperrin88: so you should use plain äöüÄÖÜß | 15:17 |
| cperrin88 | but it's for a webpage | 15:18 |
| cperrin88 | umlaute should be coded as html entities | 15:18 |
| henninge | cperrin88: well, but the right Content-type header on the web page. | 15:18 |
| henninge | cperrin88: no, that is an old rule. | 15:18 |
| henninge | cperrin88: new rule says: Specify the charset in the header. | 15:19 |
| henninge | ;-) | 15:19 |
| henninge | cperrin88: and utf-8 works fine | 15:19 |
| cperrin88 | Okay | 15:19 |
| cperrin88 | the only problem was django | 15:19 |
| cperrin88 | when I tried to compile umlauts it said that there was an invalid multibyte squence | 15:21 |
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| kiko | Ursinha, not real near future, but still | 15:27 |
| kiko | it's planned | 15:27 |
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| Ddorda | hello. i just came to report that "there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server." | 16:12 |
| bigjools | Ddorda: is it persisting like that? what URL? | 16:13 |
| Ddorda | bigjools: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-drupal-planet-devs/ubuntu-drupal-planet/6.x/revision/1 | 16:14 |
| Ddorda | working | 16:14 |
| bigjools | ok, it was transient | 16:14 |
| Ddorda | i tried few times, but only now it worked. i hate Murphy? | 16:16 |
| bigjools | yeah :) | 16:16 |
| Ddorda | well, thanks and goodbye | 16:17 |
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| Azag | hi | 18:58 |
| Azag | is normal that every time I branch, It make me a folder in the program folder name devel? | 19:00 |
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| leonel | hello .. Is there a way to know how many downloads from my ppa packages have been ?? | 20:31 |
| geser | leonel: bug 139855 | 20:47 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 139855 in soyuz "Display stats about PPA usage" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139855 | 20:47 |
| ahz | Where is a good place to find translators for my project? | 20:50 |
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| CarlFK | is there a way to search PPAs? | 21:32 |
| beuno | CarlFK, yes | 21:33 |
| CarlFK | http://ppa-search.appspot.com/search?search_key_word=kdenlive close, but dosn't show me the versions, and so far they are all old | 21:33 |
| beuno | let me get that link for you | 21:33 |
| beuno | CarlFK, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas | 21:33 |
| beuno | ha | 21:33 |
| beuno | kiko, bigjools, cprov, ^ | 21:34 |
| beuno | there's an external PPA search | 21:34 |
| kiko | yeah, I think I saw this a while back | 21:34 |
| CarlFK | kinda the same problem, but more usable, so good. | 21:35 |
| CarlFK | and I found kdenlive 0.7.5 quicker, so also good :) | 21:36 |
| cprov | CarlFK: note that you can also search for 'kdenlive' in ubuntu, then find the relevant PPA versions on https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenlive | 21:39 |
| CarlFK | cprov: neat - thanks | 21:41 |
| sinzui | barry: ping | 21:55 |
| fta | james_w, 1st complaint against -daily builds: http://identi.ca/notice/6844689 :P (at least 1st that i receive directly) | 22:00 |
| james_w | heh | 22:01 |
| fta | could be worse, one could do openoffice and gcc ;) | 22:02 |
| ahz | Is there a place I can find volunteers to translate my project? (I have 25 languages and mostly just need small updates before each release.) | 22:06 |
| SamB | ahz: I would suggest checking with your users | 22:20 |
| ahz | SamB: I've contacted some former translators, but some do not respond | 22:21 |
| SamB | dunno what to say | 22:22 |
| SamB | do you actually have users using all of those translations? | 22:22 |
| ahz | SamB: I think so based on web logs and update logs. I only review the top 10-15 translations anyway | 22:24 |
| SamB | well, I'd suggest using whatever mechanisms you usually use to communicate with your users ;-) | 22:25 |
| ahz | Another way of putting it: there are things Launchpad itself could do | 22:26 |
| ahz | 1. Add a system where translators could subscribe to translations, so they know when new strings are added (and maybe even the deadline for release) | 22:26 |
| ahz | 2. Add a "help wanted" section where project leaders could solicit volunteers | 22:27 |
| ahz | Can I request these launchpad features here https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad ? | 22:32 |
| thumper | ahz: sure | 22:32 |
| thekorn | beuno, the screenshot of the new project overview page is looking great, | 22:33 |
| thekorn | but this green download buttons are looking strange | 22:33 |
| thekorn | they somehow remind me on sourceforge ;) | 22:33 |
| thumper | is there a way to actually remove a bugtask from a bug? | 22:36 |
| matsubara | thumper, no | 22:38 |
| thumper | :( | 22:39 |
| matsubara | thumper, unless you're considering SQL surgery :-) | 22:39 |
| thumper | matsubara: I'm not | 22:39 |
| matsubara | thumper, bug 1342 | 22:40 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1342 in malone "Can't delete spurious "Affects" lines (bugtasks) from bug reports" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1342 | 22:40 |
| thumper | matsubara: ta | 22:40 |
| cprov | nick cprov-afk | 22:56 |
| barry | sinzui: delayed pong. i still haven't gotten this new irc client to scream at me yet | 23:02 |
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| kiko | here we go | 23:06 |
| barry | kiko: make it so! | 23:06 |
| kiko | mthaddon, keep us posted ;-) | 23:06 |
| mthaddon | kiko: will do (but head down at the moment) | 23:10 |
| kiko | sure thing | 23:10 |
| fta | bzr: ERROR: Invalid url supplied to transport: "lp:~chromium-team/chromium-browser/chromium-browser.head": OOPS-1299EA671 | 23:11 |
| ubottu | https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1299EA671 | 23:11 |
| fta | what is that? | 23:11 |
| fta | it | 23:11 |
| kiko | fta, quite possibly it is a symptom of launchpad being upgraded :-) | 23:11 |
| fta | oh | 23:11 |
| mthaddon | kiko: DB updates applied - restarting services (another short outage now) | 23:24 |
| kiko | mthaddon, how smooth is smooth? :-) | 23:24 |
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| mthaddon | kiko: I'll let you know once it's all done :) | 23:24 |
| kiko | launchpad is all apologies right now ;-) | 23:26 |
| rowinggolfer | kiko - they were better when they were closed source ;) | 23:26 |
| * beuno is reminded he needs to fix that page | 23:26 | |
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| kiko | mthaddon, I'm surprised. was login.launchpad.net supposed to be down right now? | 23:27 |
| kiko | I can't log in to ubuntu one either (of course) | 23:27 |
| mthaddon | kiko: see #launchpad-code | 23:27 |
| mthaddon | kiko: yes, while we restart the services | 23:28 |
| kiko | mthaddon, hmmm, I need to understand why later | 23:28 |
| slooper | is launchpad down at the moment? | 23:38 |
| bdmurray | Should the api work when Launchpad is read-only? | 23:38 |
| rowinggolfer | slooper - see topic | 23:38 |
| slooper | sorry, I don't know UTC time | 23:38 |
| nellery | slooper: you can enter date -u into terminal to get current UTC time | 23:39 |
| slooper | I assume that's until the end of this hour | 23:39 |
| slooper | I will wait patiently... thx! | 23:39 |
| slooper | nellery: alas, I'm on a windows box and Bill Gates has forbidden terminal | 23:40 |
| spm | slooper: yeah it | 23:41 |
| spm | s down. the update has gone sour on a critical component | 23:41 |
| mwhudson | fta: when you got "<fta> bzr: ERROR: Invalid url supplied to transport: "lp:~chromium-team/chromium-browser/chromium-browser.head": OOPS-1299EA671" as an error | 23:52 |
| ubottu | https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1299EA671 | 23:52 |
| mwhudson | fta: what were you doing? | 23:52 |
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