[00:08] <alteregoa> the group fnordistus already exists
[00:11] <yofel> alteregoa: 'addgroup fnordistus admin' ?
[00:11] <cwillu_clone> alteregoa, fails at instructions :p
[00:12] <alteregoa> done
[00:12] <cwillu_clone> yay :)
[00:12] <alteregoa> lol i forgot to read something
[00:14] <alteregoa> i hate those acer displays they are weird to read
[00:16] <alteregoa> many thanks
[00:26] <BUGabundo> is it me or is notify-osd font size SMALLER?
[00:50] <yofel> BUGabundo: I think the whole notification style changed
[00:50] <yofel> the bars also got thinner
[00:50] <BUGabundo> what bars?
[00:51] <yofel> err... progress... I mean the ones for brightness/sound/... level
[00:52] <cwillu_clone> meters
[00:52] <yofel> cwillu_clone: thx :)
[00:56]  * BUGabundo tests
[00:56] <BUGabundo> ohh its lonnnnnggggeerrrrrr
[00:57]  * BUGabundo has no bright OSD
[00:58] <BUGabundo> just got an email from the company that signs my paycheck (got recipt for it too, btw) telling me, I need to make 300KMs TOMORROW for medical exams... yeah right
[00:59] <cwillu_clone> BUGabundo, can I sign your paycheck?
[01:00] <BUGabundo> its bank wired :)
[01:00] <BUGabundo> unless you do a MITM
[01:00] <BUGabundo> I'm ok with it
[01:02] <DanaG> Ugh, yeah, now it's thin and ugly.
[01:02] <DanaG> TOOOOOO thin.
[01:03] <DanaG> Like somebody stuck it in a taffy puller.
[01:03] <DanaG> What is it with all these supposed improvements that actually suck?  =þ  (insert update-manager rant here.)
[01:03] <cwillu_clone> DanaG, I have a mental image of you yelling at kids to get off your lawn (which is impressive seeing as I have no idea what you look like :p)
[01:03] <alteregox> is there support for mos7703?
[01:04] <DanaG> https://launchpad.net/~danagoyette
[01:04] <DanaG> Old pic, but still about the same.
[01:04] <BUGabundo> now try them WITHOUT composit
[01:04] <BUGabundo> even uglier
[01:05] <Bmw1000c> lool
[01:05] <BUGabundo> plus with mouse over its very .....dont even know how to descrive
[01:05]  * BUGabundo looks
[01:06] <BUGabundo> ohh it's a pimple kid
[01:06] <BUGabundo> :))
[01:06] <cwillu_clone> DanaG, in my mental image your eyes were open a bit wider:p, but aside from that
[01:06] <cwillu_clone> anyways, back to on-topic things :p
[01:06] <Bmw1000c> it's amazing how we create a mental image about all people with who we talk online
[01:06] <BUGabundo>                             DanaGoyette@gmail.com@talk.google.com
[01:06] <BUGabundo> this is false... doesn't work LOL
[01:06] <BUGabundo> the XMPP JID is just email address
[01:06] <BUGabundo> no need for server
[01:07] <BUGabundo> its FEDERATED
[01:07] <BUGabundo> Bmw1000c: true
[01:07] <BUGabundo> and you look nothing like it
[01:07] <BUGabundo> eheh
[01:07] <Bmw1000c> loool
[01:07] <DanaG> Well, last time I set up gtalk, it wanted domain and server.
[01:07] <DanaG> And they're not the same.
[01:07] <Bmw1000c> :P neither you did
[01:07] <BUGabundo> see how I mixed up you and your friend?
[01:07] <alteregox> mos technologies, commodore64
[01:07] <BUGabundo> alteregox: OT
[01:07] <DanaG> "connect server" is talk.google.com.
[01:07] <Bmw1000c> oho yeah ahah
[01:07]  * BUGabundo like we weren't :)
[01:08] <BUGabundo> DanaG: you can conect to any XMPP server
[01:08] <BUGabundo> XMPP is federated
[01:08] <alteregox> huh? goauld.com?
[01:09] <DanaG> Can't say I know what a JID is, either.
[01:10] <DanaG> =þ
[01:10] <DanaG> oh, and that pic is about 4 years old, after all.
[01:10] <DanaG> Perhaps I should take a new one.
[01:11] <alteregox> A_CR $0D
[01:21] <Bmw1000c> Our edge server has a lower timeout threshold than launchpad.net,
[01:21] <DanaG> ugh, notify-osd is now 7.5cm wide.
[01:22] <Bmw1000c> true
[01:22] <DanaG> And about 1.8 tall.
[01:23]  * cwillu_clone thinks _DanaG_ os 7.5 cm wide, and about 1.8 tall
[01:23] <cwillu_clone> s/os/is/
[01:23] <Bmw1000c> ehe
[01:23] <bcurtiswx> anyone who is testing karmic... can you cause a notification bubble to appear and hover over the taskbar and see if the bubble goes fuzzy
[01:28] <bcurtiswx> i think you have to hover over the bubble as you go to the taskbet
[01:28] <bcurtiswx> taskbar*
[02:38] <tanath> can anyone help me remove a broken package? http://pastebin.ca/1502668
[02:46] <yofel> tanath: try to re-install it first?
[02:47] <yofel> somewhere before the selinux initscript was removed so now it fails to stop the daemon
[02:48] <hggdh> you can try 'sudo touch /etc/init.d/selinux'
[02:51] <tanath> /usr/sbin/update-selinux-policy: 160: /etc/init.d/selinux: not found
[02:51] <tanath> dpkg: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 127
[02:51] <tanath> on reinstalling
[02:52] <tanath> hggdh, tried that before, and it says permission denied on executing. i think it's expecting to run the script
[02:52] <yofel> huh? but that file should be installed by 'selinux'
[02:53] <hggdh> tanath: reinstalling selinux should clear up this, then
[02:53] <tanath> hm, no, selinux-policy-ubuntu gets installed first 'cause selinux depends on it
[02:53] <tanath> hggdh, no - see above
[02:54] <hggdh> tanath: it is possible that prerm will try to run /etc/init.d/selinux stop in order to prepare for removal
[02:54] <tanath> hggdh, i think so.
[02:55] <hggdh> so, as yofel stated, reinstalling selinux will clear whatever issue you had before, and will allow you to then remove the beast
[02:56] <tanath> except it installed selinux-policy-ubuntu first due to dependency, which fails
[02:56] <tanath> for same reason
[02:58] <tanath> hggdh, know a way around it?
[02:59] <yofel> tanath: you could edit the /var/lib/dpkg/info/selinux.prerm script and remove any reference to '/etc/init.d/selinux stop' from there
[02:59] <hggdh> no, I do not -- and cannot reproduce, without selinux installed...
[02:59] <yofel> then It should at least remove fine...
[02:59] <hggdh> or create a wrapper that will return 0
[03:00] <tanath> yofel, it needs the file to remove...
[03:01] <yofel> tanath: what I meant was to tell the prerm script to not try to run the init script
[03:01] <tanath> hggdh, i suppose i could try that. i'm just not sure that it'll remove properly
[03:01] <tanath> it'd be easier if i could just replace the file as it's meant to be
[03:01] <tanath> not sure why it's missing though
[03:02] <hggdh> well, if selinux is already stopped, yofel's approach is the easiest
[03:02] <tanath> how can i check?
[03:03] <yofel> I don't know how to check what it takes to stop it though since I can't install selinux here thanks to dependency problems
[03:04] <yofel> tanath: something else: do you still have the selinux deb in /var/cache/apt/archives?
[03:04] <tanath> yofel, nope. looking for the deb now
[03:05] <yofel> tanath: try 'apt-get install -d selinux'
[03:05] <yofel> that should only download it
[03:05] <tanath> didn't do anything useful
[03:06] <yofel> tanath: the file should be called selinux_1%3a0.4_all.deb
[03:06] <tanath> %3a = ?
[03:06] <hggdh> tanath: dpkg -x selinux*.deb temp;sudo cp temp/etc/init.d/selinux /etc/init.d
[03:08] <tanath> gotta get it downloaded first, but -d just says it's already the newest version
[03:09] <yofel> tanath: http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/selinux
[03:14] <tanath> victory! thanks, hggdh & yofel
[03:15] <geekneeus> Hello, how stable is the nvidia driver 185.18.14 x86 on kernel 2.6.30.2? Has anybody had problems (I'm going to be using it with 9.04 hopefully)
[03:15] <tanath> worked perfectly
[03:15] <yofel> you're welcome
[03:15] <geekneeus> awesome :D
[03:15] <tanath> wish i knew how it got in that state
[03:15]  * yofel too
[03:15] <tanath> heh, i can't get .30+ kernels to boot at all
[03:15] <hggdh> cool
[03:16] <geekneeus> I'm on 30.1
[03:16] <hggdh> not the issue with the kernel, but solving the selinux thingy ;-)\
[03:16] <geekneeus> but there's a bug so going to 30.2
[03:16] <tanath> btw, i noticed something when i was removing selinux... http://pastebin.ca/1502687
[03:17] <tanath> my fstab is borked
[03:17] <tanath> and the reason i can't boot to the new kernels appears to be that it times out waiting for root device
[03:17] <tanath> would that be why?
[03:18] <tanath> well the fstab seems ok, rather
[03:18] <hggdh> yes, your fstab is borked
[03:18] <danbhfive> tanath: what is the [*-snip] format?
[03:18] <yofel> tanath: are those -snip really in your fstab? that shouldn't work at all
[03:18] <tanath> no
[03:18] <tanath> i did that
[03:18] <hggdh> ah
[03:18] <tanath> not sure if it mattered
[03:19] <hggdh> is it between []?
[03:19] <tanath> just left the first bit to distinguish them
[03:19] <DanaG> oh yeah, something weird for me: trying to UEFI-boot 2.6.31 fails... can't find "unknown-block(0,0)"
[03:19] <tanath> no, [] means i edited/commented
[03:19] <DanaG> As it turns out... what's happening is that the initramfs is failing to load.
[03:20] <tanath> strings in [] are replacements
[03:20] <tanath> except for where i said [wrong[
[03:20] <tanath> ]
[03:20] <yofel> tanath: why did you replace them o.O
[03:20] <tanath> potential security reasons? i'm not sure if it could matter
[03:20] <danbhfive> tanath: well, if its not finding your root device, it might be because of incorrect UUIDS, so it might be useful to paste it unedited
[03:21] <tanath> i don't know exactly how it's used
[03:21] <yofel> tanath: check if the values are the same as what 'sudo blkid' gives you
[03:21] <tanath> yofel, 'sudo blkid' doesn't list one for /dev/sda1
[03:21] <DanaG> Oh, and I also get "/proc/cmdline: no such file or directory"
[03:21] <DanaG> ... which got a rather large WTF response from me.
[03:22] <tanath> yofel, just sda5 & sdb1
[03:23] <yofel> okay... then I don't get you system setup... what does 'ls /dev/sd*' give you?
[03:24] <tanath> /dev/sda  /dev/sda1  /dev/sda2  /dev/sda5  /dev/sdb  /dev/sdb1
[03:26] <yofel> your / is sda1 or sdb1 ?
[03:26] <tanath> sda1
[03:26] <tanath> and i can't seem to mount /dev/sda2
[03:26] <tanath> which i'd forgotten about
[03:26] <tanath> it's not in fstab, so won't automount
[03:26] <tanath> and i'm not sure what fs it is
[03:27] <yofel> tanath: I don't think you can mount sda2 - it's a wrapper for sda5
[03:27] <tanath> oh
[03:27] <tanath> you sure?
[03:27] <tanath> sda2 could easily be a 2nd partition on first drive
[03:27] <yofel> you can only have 4 primary partitions so sda2 is a extended partition that can contain more partitions
[03:28] <tanath> mm
[03:28] <tanath> ok, so why did / get removed?
[03:28] <yofel> and the missind 3 and 4 are the remaining allowed primary ones
[03:28] <yofel> tanath: no idea, I'm asking myself the same thing
[03:29] <yofel> tanath: also 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda' should show you what types the partitions are
[03:29] <tanath> or probably more importantly, how do i fix it?
[03:29] <tanath> yeh, sda2 is extended
[03:29] <yofel> tanath: you've got sda1 mounted right now?
[03:30] <tanath> it's /
[03:30] <tanath> i'm running on a .28 kernel right now. won't boot in .30 ones
[03:31] <yofel> then why doesn't blkid recognize it...
[03:31] <DanaG> Hmm, try installing and running "testdisk"
[03:33] <tanath> testdisk safe to run on / ?
[03:33] <tanath> i can't exactly unmount it :P
[03:34] <tanath> partition type isn't listed
[03:34] <tanath> Intel/PC partition?
[03:34] <geekneeus> fdisk doesn't list the partition type?
[03:34] <tanath> no, testdisk doesn't
[03:34] <geekneeus> ok
[03:35] <geekneeus> sorry slow graphics, convo takes while to load
[03:35] <tanath> ok, testdisk seems to recognize the partitions fine. / is marked bootable
[03:36] <tanath> structure OK
[03:36] <geekneeus> I don't know what you're trying to do, you can't mount your filesystem? but you're using it?
[03:36] <tanath> geekneeus, fstab doesn't see /
[03:37] <geekneeus> does mount list it as mounted?
[03:37] <yofel> yeah, but why did the system boot at all then?
[03:37] <tanath> geekneeus, which i think is why i can't boot in .30 kernels. says timed out waiting for root device or some-such
[03:37] <tanath> geekneeus, mount says rootfs mounted on /
[03:38] <tanath> testdisk didn't seem to find anything abnormal
[03:39] <geekneeus> on you on ubuntu 9.04 or 9.10?
[03:39] <tanath> 9.10
[03:39] <tanath> but i can only boot from 9.04 kernels
[03:39] <geekneeus> ok, I have it working on 9.04 not 9.10
[03:40] <geekneeus> I came in to find out how well the latest nvidia drivers worked with 2.6.30.2
[03:41] <tanath> mm. ati here, and can't boot .30 kernels :P
[03:41] <yofel> tanath: what does 'sudo blkid /dev/sda1' say?
[03:41] <tanath> yofel, no output
[03:41] <yofel> ok...
[03:41] <geekneeus> what about just blkid?
[03:41] <yofel> or better not ok...
[03:42] <yofel> geekneeus: that lists all other drives but not sda1
[03:42] <yofel> which is... wtf?
[03:42] <geekneeus> no idea xD
[03:43] <tanath> my / has no uuid :-/
[03:44] <geekneeus> so findfs doesn't locate the device by uuid? and blkid doesn't list the device?
[03:44] <yofel> tanath: what fs type do you have on / ?
[03:44] <tanath> ext3
[03:45] <yofel> tanath: try to set a new uuid with 'sudo tune2fs -U $(uuidgen) /dev/sda1'
[03:46] <yofel> and then rund blkid again
[03:46] <DanaG> [    3.094739] RAMDISK: Couldn't find valid RAM disk image starting at 0.
[03:46] <yofel> s/rund/run
[03:46] <tanath> still no output
[03:47] <yofel> tanath: could you pastebin the output of 'sudo tune2fs -l /dev/sda1' ?
[03:47] <tanath> no errors, but blkid gives nothing
[03:48] <tanath> http://pastebin.ca/1502714
[03:49] <geekneeus> tanath try sudo vol_id -u /dev/sda1
[03:49] <tanath> yofel, looks like there's a valid uuid there..
[03:50] <tanath> sudo: vol_id: command not found
[03:50] <yofel> yeah, the fs state seems ok
[03:50] <geekneeus> ok, it's not installed by default?
[03:50] <yofel> geekneeus: vol_id doesn't exist in karmic
[03:50] <tanath> only thing i have is volname
[03:50] <geekneeus> oh, didn't know that yofel :-)
[03:51] <tanath> xlife doesn't either. >_<
[03:51] <tanath> i want that back
[03:51] <tanath>  /gripe
[03:54] <tanath> yofel, sudo blkid -p /dev/sda1
[03:54] <tanath> /dev/sda1: ambivalent result (probably more filesystems on the device)
[03:54] <yofel> err... wth
[03:55] <yofel> that doesn't make sense
[03:55] <tanath> o_O
[03:55] <yofel> ofel@yofel-thinkpad archives $ sudo blkid -p /dev/sda1
[03:55] <yofel> [sudo] password for yofel:
[03:55] <yofel> /dev/sda1: UUID="c687ed50-e504-475b-ba14-05141897a4b2" VERSION="1.0" TYPE="ext4" USAGE="filesystem"
[03:56] <tanath> eek, i wouldn't recommend using ext4. i tried that and the fs corrupted
[03:56] <yofel> tanath: works fine since I use karmic, but yeah, wasn't really ready for use in jaunty
[03:56] <tanath> you think it's stable enough in karmic?
[03:57] <yofel> I haven't had any errors so far
[03:57] <tanath> one data point... :P
[03:58] <akio> safe graphics mode for the alpha 2 installer fails on my setup
[03:59] <akio> but it is kind of an awkward setup anyway
[03:59] <akio> I was wondering how to get by this without burning the alternate install
[04:00] <akio> I believe you can specify the resolution and driver at the main menu
[04:00] <yofel> tanath: then I'm out of ideas for now
[04:00] <yofel> tanath: you should ask again later when the others are back
[04:00] <tanath> i think i tried installing truecrypt or something at one point... might that be it?
[04:00] <yofel> oh....
[04:01] <yofel> tanath: no idea, but googling your blkid message found bug 362315 as the only result
[04:02] <yofel> so that *might* have something to do with it
[04:02] <tanath> looks like i have something called cryptmount installed
[04:02] <tanath> wonder if that did it
[04:02] <yofel> but I don't know anything about truecrypt tbh
[04:02] <yofel> and now I'm off to bed
[04:02] <tanath> makes hidden encrypted partitions
[04:02] <yofel> good night
[04:02] <tanath> mm, thanks. gnight
[04:26] <akio> anyone got a fast dl for karmic alternate i386?
[04:46] <natewiebe13> is there a way to request an update of packages for karmic?
[04:46] <natewiebe13> for a specific program?
[04:49] <natewiebe13> anyone?
[05:53] <billybigrigger> anyone here having gnome-do problems?
[05:55] <SeveredCross> Nope.
[05:55] <billybigrigger> i lost my dock
[05:57] <billybigrigger> first time it's never opened on boot
[06:30] <billybigrigger> anyone lost sound today?
[06:34] <ghindo> billybigrigger, No Gnome-Do problems nor sound problems for me today
[06:34] <billybigrigger> hmmm
[06:34] <billybigrigger> i can see the volume bar moving, like its outputting sound...in pavucontrol, and the new sound preferences icon
[06:34] <billybigrigger> but nothing
[06:39] <billybigrigger> restart fixed er
[06:39] <billybigrigger> err logout/in
[06:58] <DanaG> [    3.094739] RAMDISK: Couldn't find valid RAM disk image starting at 0.
[07:25] <d1b> hi um is packages.ubuntu.com down atm?
[07:26] <rww> d1b: yes
[07:27] <d1b> rww: ok any idea on an eta till its back up?
[07:28] <rww> d1b: no. it goes up and down occasionally. What was it you needed it for?
[07:43] <PROject-Emerald> Is it a bad idea to update to 9.10 if I use Ubuntu recreationally... like, webcam / IRC / anime / security tools
[07:43] <bazhang> PROject-Emerald, yes
[07:43] <PROject-Emerald> Mehh.
[07:43] <PROject-Emerald> any idea on a release?
[07:43] <bazhang> October 2009
[07:44] <PROject-Emerald> Oh sweet.
[07:44] <PROject-Emerald> Thanks.
[08:34] <Tekno> morning
[10:32] <x1250> anyone knows what happened to gdmsetup? I can't find it and apt-file returns nothing.
[10:57] <ikonia> x1250: I believe it's broke in the later versions of gnome - but don't quote me on that
[10:58] <x1250> k, thanks
[12:40] <indus> hi
[12:40] <bazhang> hi
[12:40] <oldude67> hello
[12:41] <indus> well, cant enter ubuntu so i came here
[12:41] <oldude67> what did you do get into trouble..lol
[12:41] <indus> guys, any idea if any new theme or look is into karmic alphas yet
[12:41] <YaManicKill> has the login window settings thing changed? cause i can't find it
[12:42] <oldude67> YaManicKill, are you talking about gdm?
[12:44] <YaManicKill> oldude67: yeah
[12:44] <oldude67> its a little foobarred right now..atleast it is on my machine..:(
[12:45] <YaManicKill> really? its nowhere on mine
[12:45] <oldude67> i switched to kdm for the time being.
[12:45] <YaManicKill> its in administration rather than preferences isnt it
[12:46] <oldude67> ewww thats a gnome question..lol
[12:46] <YaManicKill> lol yeah...it is...but still
[12:46] <oldude67> ya look there.
[12:46] <YaManicKill> i just wanna disable auto login, cause i'm trying to get out of this xsession, and into my standalone compiz one
[12:46] <oldude67> or do dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[12:46] <oldude67> oh then that wont help you
[12:47] <YaManicKill> is there a way to do it from the command line?
[12:52] <YaManicKill> gottit
[12:52] <YaManicKill> nano /etc/gdm/custom.conf
[12:52] <alteregoa> high
[12:53] <alteregoa> drag and drop doesnt work with banshee
[12:53] <caillean> does the changings on the /etc/gdm/custom.conf take any effect?  i tried it, but there were no changings after restarting gdm
[13:17] <haanuj> hey i have a problem with sudo apt-get update
[13:17] <haanuj> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.ubuntu.com karmic/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_karmic_universe_binary-i386_Packages)
[13:17] <haanuj> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[13:18] <haanuj> can anyone help me
[13:18] <dupondje> read the warning ?
[13:18] <dupondje> it says whats wrong ?
[13:19] <haanuj> update cannot complete
[13:19] <dupondje> lol
[13:19] <oldude67> because you have a duplicate source entry
[13:19] <dupondje> some people can't read errors :(
[13:19] <haanuj> so how ccan i change
[13:20] <oldude67> edit your source.list
[13:20] <haanuj> i did but still get the same error
[13:21] <dupondje> then you didn't remove all duplicate entries
[13:22] <haanuj> how can i know which is duplicate
[13:22] <YaManicKill> i can't seem to be able to kill x. i did the sudo apt-get install dontzap and then sudo dontzap -d
[13:23] <YaManicKill> but i still can't kill x
[13:23] <dupondje> YaManicKill: kill x ?
[13:23] <YaManicKill> dupondje: but i don't want to go and have to do that everytime i wanna logout.
[13:24] <haanuj> ok i try
[13:26] <haanuj> i's done
[13:26] <haanuj> thanxx DUDE !!!
[13:28] <hggdh> just an FYI, if yet unknown: last update to ecryptfs hosed my system
[13:28] <hggdh> downgrading to -76 recovered it, at least partially
[13:30] <dupondje> known bug
[13:32] <dupondje> hggdh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ecryptfs-utils/+bug/403011
[13:35] <hggdh> dupondje: thanks, will subscribe. There are other effects (keyring is still giving me issues)
[13:35] <hggdh> and my session theme just went bananas :-(
[13:35] <alteregoa> someone is talking from my telling bone
[13:36] <dupondje> hggdh: temp solution is to go back to previous version
[13:36] <dupondje> but they are on it :)
[13:36] <hggdh> yay, I am there
[13:37] <dupondje> patch seems to be done :p
[13:37] <dupondje> upgrade will come asap :D
[13:37] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[13:37] <hggdh> heh. Will get it this evening, go to get to my contract now
[15:02] <alteregox> hi
[15:02] <alteregox> i see only garbage with vinagre
[15:02] <alteregox> vino-server has a problem with desktop-effects
[15:13] <alteregox> is there a way to deactivate the effects on connect?
[15:15] <gnomefreak> alteregox: yes turn them off in apperance
[15:16] <gnomefreak> they will not come on again until you set it to normal or advanced or whatever its called
[15:55] <Ergo^> does anyone know if there are plans to include support for dsl and adsl usb based modems in koala ?
[15:55] <Ergo^> networkmanager doesnt handle those at all
[16:04] <Bmw1000c> it doesnt?
[16:10] <Ergo^> Bmw1000c: nope, i couldnt get to work any usb modem from main polish telecoms
[16:11] <Ergo^> had to use 3rd party scripts that did some mumbo-jumbo with configs
[16:12] <Ergo^> not to mention easy connection sharing ;-)
[16:16] <popey> Ergo^: you can do easy connection sharing with firestarter
[16:16] <Ergo^> popey: yea that i know fortunately
[16:17] <Ergo^> the big issue is getting usb modems to work without net and 3rd party programs
[16:17] <Ergo^> http://www.ubudsl.com/
[16:17] <Ergo^> this seems to solve the problem for other countries too it seems
[16:18] <Ergo^> but its not a very good solution, when it comes to conn sharing unfortunately
[16:18] <popey> usb modems in general aren't a very good solution
[16:18] <popey> thats a lovely looking website
[16:19] <Ergo^> popey: they are not, but tell that to around 50% of internet users in my country :P
[16:19] <popey> :(
[16:19] <Ergo^> i guess those modems are very cheap
[16:19] <Ergo^> dont understand why they dont ship ethernet based ones
[16:21] <Ergo^> and yes site is lovely, but shouldnt be needed in first place, average user has no chance of getting his modem running if just left with empty pc and a cd with drivers ;-)
[16:26] <YaManicKill> is the gdm config manager meant to not be in karmic just now?
[16:26]  * YaManicKill searches lp
[16:28] <YaManicKill> wait...its been posted as a bug
[17:16] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi, a quick question, I need to answer a bug report. Is gstreamer-pulseaudio going to be installed by default in karmic (currently it isnt)?
[17:16] <Le-Chuck_ITA> or better
[17:17] <Le-Chuck_ITA> is gstreamer0.10-alsa going to be removed from the default desktop??
[17:45] <DkySven> I would like to upgrade to 9.10 to test it and report bugs, but how stable is it at the moment? Can I perform basic tasks at my laptop with it?
[17:46] <alteregoa> define basic tasks?
[17:46] <alteregoa> i run it on my notebook
[17:46] <DkySven> browsing the web, reading e-mail
[17:46] <alteregoa> its stable for those stuff
[17:47] <DkySven> because of trouble with fglrx and ati I can't play games at it any way on 9.04
[17:47] <DkySven> ok
[17:47] <DkySven> then I'll give it a try
[17:47] <alteregoa> my notebook uses the kernel driver, and 3d works wit ati
[17:47] <DkySven> I've a Radeon 200M, which is a bit old I think
[17:47] <alteregoa> i think it works
[17:48] <DkySven> ok, thanks
[17:48] <alteregoa> stuff
[17:48] <alteregoa> wlan stuff works fine
[17:49] <Bmw1000c> everythings works fine (at least most of the time) here
[17:50] <DkySven> lets hope I'll have no trouble either
[17:50] <alteregoa> i hope someone adds e4defrag into the kernel
[17:57] <DanaG> wow, really bad naming:
[17:57] <DanaG> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grub_%28search_engine%29
[17:58] <DkySven> going to upgrade
[17:58] <DkySven> thanks for the help
[18:00] <alteregoa> grog game
[18:44] <oli_> any idea how you bring up the full mixer in karmic?
[18:46] <oli_> or otherwise turn on the surround clone?
[19:16] <kazzy> when is a dist-upgrade needed in unstable releases?
[19:16] <Pici> I always use it.
[19:18] <kazzy> thanks
[19:18] <kazzy> anyone using KDE 4.3 RC2?
[19:19] <kazzy> the task manager doesn't work for me, but it might just be an outdated package/missing dependency
[19:33] <DkySven> I'm now at my netbook
[19:33] <DkySven> ext4 made my laptop freeze during upgrade
[19:33] <DkySven> can I use the powr button to shut it down and what will it do to my sytem?
[19:33] <DkySven> I was already installing the upgrades
[19:44] <billybigrigger> DkySven, did you have ext4 before the upgrade?
[19:45] <DkySven> sadly enough yes
[19:45] <billybigrigger> like what do you mean ext4 froze your upgrade
[19:45] <DkySven> ext4 makes sometimes my system getting frozen
[19:45] <DkySven> it did so in 9.04
[19:45] <DkySven> and now it froze my laptop during the upgrade
[19:45] <DkySven> screen is frozen and nothing but the powerbutton works
[19:47] <DkySven> I've to go, dinner
[19:47] <DkySven> bye
[19:52] <yofel> heh, I do think DkySven was right, I too had a lot system freezes in jaunty with ext4. Once I upgraded to karmic all works well
[19:53] <yofel> billybigrigger: btw, ubottu learned about your grub2 wiki page yesterday ;)
[20:00] <Le-Chuck_ITA> yofel: it's a known bug
[20:00] <Le-Chuck_ITA> very famous bug
[20:00] <yofel> Le-Chuck_ITA: I think I know which one you mean
[20:01] <yofel> well, gotta go
[20:01] <yofel> bye
[20:01] <Le-Chuck_ITA> listed in the release notes!
[20:01] <Le-Chuck_ITA> bye
[20:07] <billybigrigger> yofel, sup
[20:19] <Visitor> Hi!
[20:20] <Visitor> I just installed Karmic alpha2, but is there any manual to get the other installed OSses back in the new grub?
[20:20] <Visitor> I noticed the known issue about this (in hindsight, of course ;))
[20:22] <Bmw1000c> ?? grub2
[20:22] <Bmw1000c> !grub2
[20:29] <Visitor> tnx
[20:30] <Visitor> checking it out
[20:32] <Visitor> I got some messages in the dist-upgrade dialog which say Jaunty has been found... maybe I should just wait for the update process to finish
[20:32] <billybigrigger> what other os's do you have installed?
[20:32] <Visitor> jaunty
[20:32] <Visitor> Oh, it found all there is, so I probably have what I wanted :)
[21:00] <yofel> re
[21:00] <yofel> anybody and idea how to increase font size in the new notify-osd style?
[21:01] <yofel> that's almost a use case for the desktop magnifier...
[21:02] <charlie-tca> You mean you can increase it?
[21:02] <yofel> ok... my insane system load values have defenitely something to do with suspend
[21:02] <billybigrigger> yofel, right now i think the font changes with your system font
[21:03] <billybigrigger> but i don't think you can change it independantley
[21:03] <charlie-tca> Just for fun, try running the cursor across the notificcations once.
[21:04] <oli_> hmm why isn't alt+f2 working?
[21:04] <yofel> ah, you mean the fuzzyness when going to the top right corner?
[21:04] <charlie-tca> Mine blurred the notices for the rest of today
[21:04] <charlie-tca> They just open blurred now
[21:04] <DanaG> Yeah, the "Fading" is actually rather ugly.
[21:04] <DanaG> .. even without the blur.
[21:04] <yofel> here they stop being blurred once I move the mouse away again
[21:05] <charlie-tca> I can only wish they did. Of course, with that font size, I can't read them anyway.
[21:05] <DanaG> Oh, and the things are tooooo skinny.
[21:05] <DanaG> Volume or brightness things are like 7 cm by 1.5 cm.
[21:06] <yofel> DanaG: I like the meter size, only the font size is far too small
[21:37] <BUGabundo> hey hey
[21:40] <yofel> hey BUGabundo
[21:40] <BUGabundo> hey yofel
[21:40] <BUGabundo> how was your day'
[21:41] <BUGabundo> ?
[21:41] <yofel> argh, installing updates in my windows VM is making me crazy, had to restart it 5 times already *-.-
[21:41] <yofel> BUGabundo: quite busy :(
[21:41] <yofel> and HOT
[21:42] <yofel> and I've got no more ice cream :(
[21:43] <BUGabundo> let me run UM for the 1st time in weeks
[21:43] <BUGabundo> been using aptitude now
[22:10] <mphill> whois lemonade
[22:12]  * BUGabundo lends '/' to mphill
[22:12] <BUGabundo> who was run scared now
[22:14] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, howdy
[22:15] <BUGabundo> hey billybigrigger
[22:15] <BUGabundo> didn't see you come in
[22:15] <billybigrigger> been here
[22:15] <billybigrigger> all day :)
[22:16] <billybigrigger> perks of being unemployed :P
[22:16] <BUGabundo> :(
[22:16] <BUGabundo> I know the feeling
[22:17] <BUGabundo> but now I got two new jobs
[22:17] <BUGabundo> been working again almost a month
[22:17] <billybigrigger> pass one my way please
[22:17] <billybigrigger> :)
[22:17] <BUGabundo> even got my pay check yesterday
[22:17] <billybigrigger> time to spend it now?
[22:17] <billybigrigger> haha
[22:19] <BUGabundo> I guess
[22:19] <BUGabundo> been trying to get a new LCD for over half a yeat
[22:19] <BUGabundo> *year
[22:20] <BUGabundo> but my contract ended on dezember so I kept from getting me a xtmas gift
[22:21] <billybigrigger> yeah, i thought about getting one a few months ago
[22:22] <billybigrigger> but glad i didn't haha would be regretting it now
[22:22] <BUGabundo> yep
[22:26] <billybigrigger> pretty quiet having a3 just a few hours away :(
[22:26] <Twigathy> That's because an update broke everything for nearly everybody *runs* ;)
[22:27] <alteregoa> does someone have libcl.so?
[22:27] <BUGabundo> hey Twigathy :p
[22:27] <BUGabundo> what update?
[22:27] <BUGabundo> alterego let me check
[22:27] <BUGabundo> nope
[22:27] <Twigathy> BUGabundo: no, no update. I was kidding
[22:27] <Twigathy> oh, blergh, wires crossed =)
[22:30] <rleeds> I feel like I must not be the first to ask this (I apologize), but I just started getting a custom google search from my shiretoko search bar today. What gives?
[22:30] <BUGabundo> me too
[22:30] <BUGabundo> and I don't like to be imposed
[22:30] <BUGabundo> let me smack asac
[22:30] <BUGabundo> for doing CHANGES to my system
[22:30] <billybigrigger> firefox-3.0 (3.0.11+build2+nobinonly-0ubuntu2.me001) karmic; urgency=low
[22:30] <billybigrigger>   * add me001 multisearch feature for karmic alpha3
[22:30] <billybigrigger>     - add debian/extensions/*
[22:30] <Twigathy> yup, a new update installed some crazy google custom search in firefox... you can remove/disable it from the add-ons whatsit...
[22:31] <billybigrigger> don't know why it affected 3.5 though
[22:31] <rleeds> I see the Ubuntu Firefox Modifications 0.8a1 add-on, which used to be incompatible with 3.5 IIRC
[22:31] <rleeds> but if it's a feature of that, there's no way I can see to turn only that feature off.
[22:32] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: 'cause all confs are on 3.0x. and 3.5 and 3.6 pull from 3.0.xc
[22:32] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, ooooh :)
[22:32] <BUGabundo> try to remove all FF
[22:32] <BUGabundo> and just install 3.5 or 3.6
[22:32] <BUGabundo> you will see it pull 3.0
[22:32] <BUGabundo> at least until 3.5 become the default
[22:37] <drs305> It should be listed under Tools, Addons, Multisearch
[22:43] <rleeds> drs305, Thanks. That did the trick.
[22:43] <billybigrigger> drs305, howdy
[22:43] <drs305> Hey billybigrigger
[22:44] <billybigrigger> how goes the battle?
[22:44] <drs305> billybigrigger: I keep playing with Grub2 - mostly positives. Used your Theming section yesterday to mess around with it.
[22:45] <drs305> billybigrigger: Your notes worked fine. And I usually don't mess with the eye candy aspects of Linux.
[22:46] <billybigrigger> :)
[22:46] <billybigrigger> when some final artwork drops start to come i want to make a nice g2 splash
[22:50] <drs305> Usually for me the splash images are beautiful but make the selections more difficult to read, which seems counterproductive.
[22:50] <drs305> So I just tweak the colors instead.
[22:50]  * BUGabundo defaults to verbose. no splash is even isntalled
[22:51] <yofel> BUGabundo: grub2 splash, not usplash :P
[22:53]  * billybigrigger still waits for faster boot times
[22:56] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, your webcam working?
[22:56] <billybigrigger> yet or again or whatever? :)
[22:56] <billybigrigger> and what module do you use?
[23:00] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: nope
[23:00] <BUGabundo> still waiting for upstream to sync all bits
[23:00] <BUGabundo> yofel: bah
[23:01] <yofel> ^^
[23:02] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, what module do you use?
[23:02] <billybigrigger> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/mchehab/linux-next.git;a=summary
[23:02] <billybigrigger> ^^ looks promising
[23:03] <billybigrigger> for me anyway
[23:03] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: just the driver NOL tells me too
[23:19] <BUGabundo> grrr
[23:19] <alteregoa> where can i find the libcl.so?
[23:19] <BUGabundo> ok this is the STUPIDET bug yet
[23:19] <BUGabundo> guys need someone to open GPM
[23:19] <BUGabundo> and enable and disable DIM on AC
[23:20] <BUGabundo> no one?
[23:20] <billybigrigger> gpm?
[23:20] <alteregoa>  libcl.so.3.3.0 or something
[23:20] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, what is GPM?
[23:21] <BUGabundo> gnome power manager
[23:21] <billybigrigger> sorry, desktop here :(
[23:21] <BUGabundo> better on Laptop LCD
[23:21] <BUGabundo> yea right
[23:21] <BUGabundo> the darn thing makes my LCD brigh dim EVEN when on use
[23:22] <BUGabundo> so I need someone to cross check
[23:22] <BUGabundo> before I file it
[23:28] <BUGabundo>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137598
[23:28] <BUGabundo> I wonder if my dim bug is a regression from this one
[23:29]  * Twigathy notes opening a 16384x16384 PNG in firefox makes it *very* angry c_c
[23:29] <billybigrigger> lp is offline
[23:30] <DanaG> what the hell?
[23:30] <DanaG> http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&client=pub-2070091971271392&channel=1533626051&cof=FORID%3A13%3BAH%3Aleft%3BCX%3A9%252E10%2520Alpha%25203%2520Experiment%2520B%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fcoop%2Fintl%2Fen%2Fimages%2Fcustom_search_sm.gif%3BLH%3A65%3BLP%3A1%3BLC%3A%230000ff%3BVLC%3A%23663399%3BGFNT%3A%230000ff%3BGIMP%3A%230000ff%3BDIV%3A%23336699%3B&adkw=AELymgWGiS09AGqODKYb_YWJa34Tby5ld8hL5CXLvdO5i8dqhVFVFwrUUpCCbSMS6eEkPjMXi-IO3z
[23:30] <DanaG> Google search box takes me there!
[23:30] <DanaG> Not to the normal google.
[23:31] <BUGabundo> yep DanaG
[23:31] <BUGabundo> new FF addon
[23:31] <DanaG> It sucks.
[23:31] <BUGabundo> already is a bug on it
[23:31] <DanaG> Where's "cache"?
[23:31] <DanaG> Where's "Images"?
[23:31] <DanaG> Where's "igoogle"?
[23:31] <DanaG> (you get the point.)
[23:31] <DanaG> In fact, I'd almost call it malware.
[23:31] <BUGabundo> bug 402767
[23:31] <BUGabundo> I think
[23:32] <DanaG>                     Launchpad is offline for scheduled maintenance.           We should be back soon.
[23:32] <DanaG> And I can't even do the google cache.
[23:32] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/402866
[23:32] <billybigrigger> time to start using chromium again i think :)
[23:32] <DanaG> And you can't do the "promote result" thing.
[23:32] <DanaG> Time to slap somebody with a funnoodle.
[23:32] <DanaG> s/slap/whack/
[23:33] <Twigathy> DanaG: tools -> add-ons -> disable multisearch 0.0.0.0.0.0.fail.hard.1
[23:33] <DanaG> Wow, that was installed without consent.
[23:33] <DanaG> In fact, I'm going to go further, and dpkg-divert it.
[23:34] <DanaG> http://www.mail-archive.com/universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg108591.html
[23:34] <BUGabundo> FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
[23:35] <BUGabundo> on #ubuntu-mozilla
[23:35] <BUGabundo> haahh
[23:35] <BUGabundo> on #ubuntu-mozillateam
[23:35] <Twigathy> Farrrr too tempting to join the channel just to watch c_c
[23:38] <DanaG> oh ayeah, and how do you disable the titlebar-blink-on-bell in metacity?
[23:39] <billybigrigger> Sarvatt, you alive?
[23:39] <BUGabundo> DanaG: sounds
[23:39] <DanaG> nope, not there.
[23:40] <BUGabundo> humm
[23:40] <DanaG> had to go to gconf-editor.
[23:40] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[23:41] <DanaG> apps/metacity/general/
[23:41] <BUGabundo> but I recall a option for it on some gui
[23:44] <arand> DanaG: There is a "visual alert" option in the sound pref (quite illogical, come to think of it)
[23:44] <DanaG> I didn't see it there.
[23:44] <DanaG> system->preferences->sounds
[23:44] <BUGabundo> DanaG: only enabled when you have a sound theme
[23:44] <DanaG> is just the crappy wannabe pavucontrol replacement.
[23:44] <BUGabundo> DUH
[23:44] <DanaG> I have sound theme disabled.
[23:44] <yofel> arand: the sound preferences were replaced with the pulse one
[23:45] <DanaG> er, sound singular.
[23:45] <DanaG> Yeah, it sucks not being able to choose which device the volume-control keys control.
[23:46] <BUGabundo> so now that you guys are awake again
[23:46] <BUGabundo> (11:19:27 PM) freenode: guys need someone to open GPM
[23:46] <BUGabundo> (11:19:35 PM) freenode: and enable and disable DIM on AC
[23:46] <BUGabundo> (11:21:52 PM) freenode: the darn thing makes my LCD brigh dim EVEN when on use
[23:46] <BUGabundo> (11:21:59 PM) freenode: so I need someone to cross check
[23:46] <BUGabundo> (11:22:03 PM) freenode: before I file it
[23:46]  * billybigrigger watches everyone slip away
[23:47] <arand> Oh, sorry, still on janty on this one...
[23:47] <DanaG> oh yeah, it does dim rather annoyingly soon for me.
[23:47] <DanaG> No option to adjust that time.
[23:48] <BUGabundo> not the time
[23:48] <BUGabundo> for me its INSTANT
[23:48]  * BUGabundo needs to stop screaming
[23:48] <DanaG> you mean you stop moving the mouse, it dims right then?
[23:48] <DanaG> If so, that's really weird.
[23:48] <BUGabundo> DanaG: no
[23:48] <BUGabundo> as soon as I click on it
[23:49] <DanaG> hmm, doesn't do that for me.
[23:49] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I do have it showing the "empty battery" icon for my full battery.
[23:49] <yofel> after what timout is that ting supposed to dim my screen?
[23:49] <yofel> I don't get any reaction from it
[23:51] <BUGabundo> yofel: bug 402767
[23:51] <BUGabundo> err
[23:51] <BUGabundo> not that
[23:51] <BUGabundo> bug 401294
[23:51] <BUGabundo> nope either
[23:51] <yofel> fishing for bugs? :P
[23:51]  * BUGabundo scrolls back on parcelite
[23:51] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137598
[23:52] <BUGabundo> ahhh there it is
[23:52] <yofel> yep, that looks like mine
[23:53] <yofel> now if only lp would be online again...
[23:54] <BUGabundo> yofel: but I think mine is a regression of that
[23:54] <BUGabundo> they fixed it, now got me in a broken state
[23:54] <BUGabundo> don't know why you two don't see it
[23:54] <yofel> hmmm, that reminds me... any idea how to disable dim on battery?
[23:54] <BUGabundo> LP back up
[23:54] <BUGabundo> filing FF bug
[23:55] <BUGabundo> yofel: sure, 2nd tab?
[23:55] <BUGabundo> $ apport-cli -fp firefox-3.0
[23:56] <yofel> BUGabundo: already disabled everything there, but it still dims the screen a bit, which is annoying since my screen really isn't very bright
[23:58] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/402767
[23:58] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/403246
[23:59] <BUGabundo> now the DIM