[10:45] <FLOZz> hi _o/
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[13:42] <lassegul> whats up guys.
[13:45] <FLOZz> mmm nothing
[13:45] <FLOZz> ^^
[13:45] <lassegul> nice?
[13:45] <FLOZz> yes and you ?
[13:46] <lassegul> gloomy weather, but except for that...
[13:46] <FLOZz> ^^
[13:47] <lassegul> i really hate how inkscape doesnt warn you if youre about to export to png and overwrite a file you are already using in the project.
[13:47] <lassegul> you end up with a funny result though: usually a huge png of "source image not available".
[13:48] <FLOZz> repote a bug to the inkscape team ?
[13:49] <FLOZz> maybe they will add this
[13:49] <lassegul> yeah, but they have a _lot_ of bug reports, takes time to look through them all to check for duplicates.
[13:50] <FLOZz> :/
[13:51] <mac_v> lassegul: which version of inkscape are you using, ? I get a warning before overwrites
[13:52] <mac_v> funny thing is , i was looking for a way to turn it off ;p
[13:53] <lassegul> mac_v: lol. good question, im not on my home computer right now, but im guessing something like a rev of pre 0.47 from middle of june.
[13:53] <lassegul> should update then :)
[13:53] <mac_v> ah... works in 0.46
[13:53] <lassegul> so whats new with ubuntu artwork these days. are there being done any mockups for client side windows gtk decorations?
[13:55] <mac_v> i guess boot experience is the only thing active right now, everything else is quite
[13:55] <lassegul> usplash theming?
[13:55] <lassegul> you havent decided to go for plymouth have you?
[13:56] <mac_v> grub2 , no plymouth, mat_t is getting things going
[13:57] <lassegul> cool. i remember saying something like "grub2 will be the ultimate boot loader for the GNU/HURD operating system" the day before ubuntu announced it.
[13:58] <lassegul> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Solitaire  Theres a patch doing the similar things upstream actually.
[13:59] <lassegul> hold on, ill try to find it.
[14:06] <lassegul> [#ubuntu-artwork]
[14:06] <lassegul> awkward Gnome bug 573178 fixes it better.
[14:06] <ubottu> Gnome bug 573178 in aisleriot "Add Tango style cards to aisleriot" [Enhancement,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=573178
[14:07] <lassegul> without the ubuntu icon though, but still.
[14:13] <lassegul> mac_v: so im looking at the Boot site at the wiki, this all looks really cool, but is it technically possiblelikely?
[14:15] <mac_v> i think so, yes... the boot experience wiki already has links youtube showing the working  prototypes on a Karmic install .. but  mat_t is the better person to answer this
[14:15] <yharrow_mobile> lassegul: I don't know if its true. but i read on the wiki that usplash may be removed in favor of an immediate x session. If this is the case then I imagine it sholdnt be too dififuclt.
[14:16] <lassegul> i also see that, and i like it very much. mat_t is the one working on facebrowser now, taking over where macslow left?
[14:17] <yharrow_mobile> has mat_t posted any reports/screens of his progress online?
[14:18] <mat_t> yharrow_mobile: lassegul: I haven't taken over form MacSlow, no :)
[14:18] <mat_t> I'm running the design ans specification work for boot and login
[14:19] <mat_t> MacSlow will be implementing some of the stuff we design :)
[14:19] <lassegul> crepy, we were here talking behind your back, and suddenly youve been here all along :P
[14:20] <mat_t> haha, never talk behind someone's back! ;)
[14:20] <yharrow_mobile> D:
[14:20] <yharrow_mobile> :P
[14:20] <lassegul> especially in a logged channel :)
[14:20] <mat_t> well... yes
[14:20] <mat_t> :)
[14:20] <lassegul> so is troy still around?
[14:20] <yharrow_mobile> yeah but not like anyone reads the logs...
[14:20] <yharrow_mobile> i mean do they?
[14:21] <yharrow_mobile> I dunno. I not spoke with troyin a while. But then again i havent been around lately.
[14:21] <mat_t> FYI guys, great submissions so far, we're in the process of putting together the final proposals
[14:22] <mat_t> so it's a last minute call really - we must have the designs ready before the distro sprint, starting 3rd of Aug
[14:22] <yharrow_mobile> Btw I really am impressed with the boot submissions. I was getting a little discouraged in the open source art process lately.
[14:22] <yharrow_mobile> But those submissions gave me a spark of hope.
[14:22] <lassegul> yeah, guys, you do some awesome work now!
[14:22] <mat_t> ha! Me too :)
[14:23] <mat_t> We're only just starting spreading the word, so that we can get much more people involved
[14:23] <yharrow_mobile> took be by surprise. yes thats exactly what im thinking mat_t
[14:23] <mat_t> see, most designers never used linux, and have no idea what FOSS is
[14:23] <mat_t> we're here to change it!
[14:23] <yharrow_mobile> yeah.
[14:23] <yharrow_mobile> :D
[14:24] <yharrow_mobile> I get aroundin the art world a bit. And I'm hearing of an increasing number of casual artists who are startng to pick up open source programs like gimp and inkscape as adobe prices skyrocket
[14:25] <lassegul> id like to see what happened if adobe one day managed to block pirating of their products
[14:25] <mat_t> ha
[14:25] <mat_t> exactly
[14:26] <mat_t> would be great to have a good replacement for Flash, too. ATM that's a bit of a pain
[14:26] <yharrow_mobile> mat_t: I think that the solution to that is closer than you think. take alook at the specs for the latest version of firefox
[14:26] <lassegul> hopefully flash on web dies with <video> and HTML5 CSS3
[14:27] <yharrow_mobile> flash-like functionality will soon be common place within web pages themselves
[14:27] <mat_t> true
[14:27] <yharrow_mobile> without the need for external plugins
[14:27] <yharrow_mobile> flash is a transitory tool imho
[14:27] <yharrow_mobile> it filleda need
[14:27] <mat_t> still, Flash is extremely useful for UI mockups, for example
[14:27] <yharrow_mobile> flash will always remain a great tool for animation
[14:27] <yharrow_mobile> quick animation
[14:27] <lassegul> yeah, and we dont have any replacements for that yet, do we?
[14:28] <yharrow_mobile> I'd have to agree lassegul. Although I do recall hearing of an open source flash like platform several years ago. I think it was called open lazlo
[14:29] <yharrow_mobile> http://www.openlaszlo.org/
[14:29] <lassegul> but flash as a UI mockup tool is a minor nuiance, while getting rid of flash on the web is a huge step for FLOSS
[14:36] <lassegul> dont tell kwwii, but i dont like oxygen very much
[14:36] <lassegul> oops, ubuntulog rejoined
[14:36] <yharrow_mobile> xD
[14:36] <yharrow_mobile> trying to go off the record?
[14:36] <lassegul> my DDos can only work for 30 secs at a time ;)
[14:37] <yharrow_mobile> o.o
[14:37] <yharrow_mobile> lol
[14:38] <yharrow_mobile> lassegul: many people say that open source art will never succeed because no 2 artists styles are the same.
[14:38] <yharrow_mobile> and therefore anything produced in that fashion would not be an entirely unified work
[14:38] <lassegul> and making open source art is a constant struggle to prove them wrong
[14:39] <yharrow_mobile> well I beleive they are wrong...up to an extent
[14:39] <yharrow_mobile> if differing individual styles is waht makes open source art fail
[14:39] <yharrow_mobile> then I say that we just need better and sttricter standards
[14:39] <yharrow_mobile> rather than allow for individuality in the art itself,
[14:40] <yharrow_mobile> we should allow for individiuality in developing the standards for that art
[14:40] <yharrow_mobile> Am I making sense here?
[14:40] <lassegul> i agree.
[14:41] <lassegul> i gotta run and get an RSA key generator before help desk closes.
[14:41] <yharrow_mobile> alright gl. thanks for the chat.
[14:45] <andreasn_> yharrow_mobile, I would say that is incorrect. I think about 20 individuals (or more) have been involved in the Tango project over the years, and I would say it's close to impossible to say what artist drew what just from looking at stuff
[14:46] <andreasn_> err...incorrect was the wrong wording
[14:47] <andreasn_> what I meant is that I disagree :)
[14:47] <lassegul> icons are one thing, they behave much like software, lots of lines of code - lots of components - lots of icons, have a shared specific goal and youre going to be alright.
[14:47] <lassegul> wallpapers and themes are different.
[14:47] <lassegul> you have to have a clear vision, and a few effective people to work it out.
[14:49] <lassegul> art needs to be "offensive" to some, a piece that everyone likes will end up bland and boring.
[14:50] <andreasn_> I guess the backgrounds can be offensive, not sure how you could make a widget theme offensive
[14:50] <lassegul> ;) if anyone, you can do it andreasn_
[14:51] <andreasn_> maybe making it all bright yellow and red?
[14:51] <andreasn_> and use a texture with cursing on it
[14:51] <lassegul> instead of an X for closing the window, you have a swastika.
[14:51] <lassegul> im sorry, thats not funny.
[14:52] <andreasn_> ouch, yeah, that would be quite offensive :/
[14:52] <lassegul> andreasn_: are you doing any work on the 3.0 icon theme?
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[14:53] <andreasn> yes, it's in the one-canvas branch of gnome-icon-theme
[14:53] <andreasn> we still have some fixes left before it's ready for 2.28 though
[14:54] <lassegul> it will be ready for 2.28?
[14:54] <lassegul> im not on a liux computer, do you have a png somewhere online? i want to bask in its sweet high res goodness
[14:55] <andreasn> lets see, hold on
[15:01] <andreasn> http://files.getdropbox.com/u/184285/big-size-preview.png
[15:02] <lassegul> can i have that printer icon?
[15:03] <lassegul> i want to take it out for dinner, buy it lobster, and propose with a ring in the champagne glass.
[15:03] <andreasn> :)
[15:03] <andreasn> it's quite neat, I think it was lapo who drew it
[15:03] <andreasn> or maybe jimmac
[15:05] <yharrow_mobile> I beleive that the tango theme is a good example of what could be done when you give specific guidelines. What I'm suggesting is something a little different. Im suggesting allowing for some style or flair in the icons and having multiple artists contribute to what kind of style or flair is used
[15:06] <yharrow_mobile> Once a set of strict guidelines our developed actualization can begin.
[15:06] <yharrow_mobile> are *
[15:07] <yharrow_mobile> rather than having rough guidelines and inputting little bits of advice form multiple artists on each part, as if it was a seperate entity
[15:07] <yharrow_mobile> I'm by no means attempting to insult anyone. Im just offering up an idea and id love to hear what people think of it
[15:09] <andreasn> oh, I wasn't insulted, don't worry.
[15:10] <andreasn> I'm also a bit too much in the middle of something, so I didn't really follow the whole discussion
[15:11] <yharrow_mobile> no problem. if you get a chance later to look over the convo feel free to reply
[15:23] <mac_v> yharrow_mobile: i think in short what you mean is:a project needs a good team leader with a set goal?
[15:25] <mac_v> andreasn: what is that icon ,a paper and a clock, for?
[15:31] <andreasn> mac_v, for when you're loading a preview or mimetype
[15:31] <mac_v> andreasn: ah... thought so... nice... is it semi-transparent also? like the previous one
[15:33] <andreasn> I don't think it is, but that would be easy to fix
[15:36] <mac_v> i liked that about the previous one... gave it the feel as something in-process...
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[17:22] <mac_v> thorwil: hi... is this for the Karmic wallpapers ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Finding_Your_Inner_Koala , just asking since you had edited the page ...
[17:23] <thorwil> mac_v: that page is older than our backgrounds section
[17:24] <thorwil> in some way, it should be there, but it doesn't fit in well
[17:24] <thorwil> mac_v: cut/copy and move attechments if your are bored ;)
[17:25] <mac_v> yeah, the date threw me off...  i thought it was the old starting for Karmic
[17:25] <mac_v> not that bored, though ;p
[19:20] <thorwil> http://www.theleagueofmoveabletype.com/
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