[02:27]  * lajjr rebooting
[16:00] <liw> hi
[16:00] <robbiew> #startmeeting
[16:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is robbiew.
[16:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:00] <robbiew> yo!
[16:01] <mvo_> jo!
[16:01] <robbiew> heh
[16:01]  * mvo_ mubbles something about firstpost
[16:01]  * robbiew barely gets the agenda out...sorry
[16:03] <mterry> hello
[16:03] <evand1> hi
[16:04] <robbiew> hmm...we seem a little light in attendance today
[16:04] <robbiew> cjwatson: james_w: Keybuk: around?
[16:05] <james_w> hi
[16:05] <Keybuk> nope
[16:05] <Keybuk> not here
[16:05]  * Keybuk has swine flu
[16:05] <robbiew> oh well...I guess I'd better keep this Dell Mini 10V then
[16:05] <robbiew> :P
[16:05] <robbiew> is cjwatson putting out release fires?
[16:06] <robbiew> well...let's just get started
[16:06]  * robbiew still needs to pack :/
[16:07] <Keybuk> robbiew: you have a week yet
[16:07]  * liw points everyone at http://www.onebag.com/
[16:07] <robbiew> uh...DebConf my friend
[16:07]  * james_w must remember to print off all the tickets
[16:07]  * robbiew sends that link to his wife ;)
[16:08] <Keybuk> ahh
[16:08] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Alpha 3 deliverables
[16:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Alpha 3 deliverables
[16:08] <robbiew> evand1: usb-creator for windows this week...right?
[16:08] <robbiew> but not IN Alpha 3
[16:08] <evand1> by the end of the weekend
[16:08] <evand1> correct
[16:09] <robbiew> col
[16:09] <robbiew> cool
[16:09] <robbiew> argh...someone at the door (delivery pickup)....brb
[16:09] <Keybuk> evand1: you're going to work on it all weekend?  did David Mandala get on a plane to come visit? :P
[16:10] <evand1> Keybuk: no, but just in case I'm going to dig an old fashion British moat.
[16:11] <liw> isn't the entire country surrounded by a really big moat?
[16:11] <evand1> lol
[16:13] <robbiew> back
[16:14] <robbiew> sorry...too many deliveries for Keybuk :P
[16:14] <robbiew> mterry: you around?
[16:14] <mterry> robbiew, yup
[16:14] <robbiew> is the rsyslog stuff good to go?
[16:14] <Keybuk> robbiew: heh, dropping off or picking up?
[16:15] <mterry> robbiew, yup
[16:15] <robbiew> cool
[16:15] <robbiew> Keybuk: picking up
[16:16] <Keybuk> \o/
[16:16] <robbiew> mvo: the aptURL policy stuff is done...right?
[16:16] <robbiew> mvo_:^?
[16:16] <mvo_> robbiew: yeah
[16:16] <robbiew> sweet ;)
[16:16] <mvo_> robbiew: we made adding much easier now via software-properites
[16:16] <mvo_> and auto-adding needs *more* discussion
[16:17]  * robbiew seems to recall seeing an update to the Server Installer Improvements blueprint indicating it was good to go...but will need to confirm with cjwatson
[16:17] <robbiew> mvo_: right...I figured the auto-adding would need more "discussion" ;)
[16:17] <mvo_> :)
[16:18] <robbiew> doko setup the python 2.6 ppa for hardy...so that's done in my book
[16:18] <robbiew> mvo_: you're done with our part of the upgrade support in Landscape, right?
[16:18] <cjwatson> robbiew: whoops, at debcamp, timezone confusion meant I forgot about the meeting
[16:18] <robbiew> ah
[16:19] <mvo_> robbiew: yeah, I think it should be good, I'm waiting for feedback from the landscape team
[16:19] <cjwatson> server installer should be done
[16:19] <robbiew> cjwatson: no worries, wasn't sure if the ecryptfs thing was still keeping you busy :)
[16:19] <cjwatson> nah, got that sorted
[16:19] <mvo_> cheers to james_w for this (fixing it)
[16:20] <robbiew> mvo_: ok...thnx
[16:20] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Sponsorship Queue
[16:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  Sponsorship Queue
[16:21]  * robbiew checks the last 7 days...not bad
[16:21] <robbiew> though Desktop always seems to kick our a$$
[16:21] <robbiew> heh
[16:22] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Objectives
[16:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  Objectives
[16:22] <cjwatson> I've sucked this week due to travel (Tue's my usual sponsorship day)
[16:22]  * mvo_ thinks he did a bad job this week too
[16:22] <robbiew> cjwatson: yeah...I figured that would be the case over the next couple weeks
[16:23] <robbiew> no worries...as long as Keybuk keeps meeting his goal of zero, you'll all be fine :P
[16:23] <robbiew> don't forget to send me you objectives by next Friday
[16:23] <robbiew> email is fine...since I don't trust the PDR tool
[16:23] <liw> robbiew, next friday as in the day after tomorrow or the friday a week from that?
[16:24] <robbiew> lol
[16:24] <robbiew> July 31st
[16:24] <liw> (I honestly get confused by that expression every time)
[16:25] <robbiew> for me..THIS Friday would be the day after tomorrow
[16:25]  * robbiew ends his lesson
[16:25] <robbiew> :P
[16:25] <mterry> (mike adds, but the distinction between THIS and NEXT starts to get fuzzy 5 days out)
[16:25] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Good News
[16:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  Good News
[16:26] <robbiew> mterry: true
[16:26] <robbiew> anything?
[16:26] <mterry> Alpha 3 is in good shape!
[16:26] <mvo_> auto-cdrom detection in apt is getting along nicely (via libudev)
[16:26] <cjwatson> I've been talking about the server-installer-improvements work with Debian people here, and generally people seem to like the UI changes
[16:26] <Keybuk> I think I have sreadahead ready to replace readahead-list on hard drives
[16:27] <cjwatson> although I haven't shown anyone the actual patches yet ;-)
[16:27] <robbiew> mterry: don't jinx it
[16:27] <robbiew> mvo_: cool
[16:27] <robbiew> cjwatson: nice...SteveG should like that ;)
[16:28] <robbiew> Keybuk: Yoohoo!  I'm tired of having to uninstall readahead all the time :P
[16:28] <robbiew> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:28] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[16:28]  * robbiew will be off-line this evening and tomorrow...travelling
[16:29] <robbiew> though, as usual, I will have my Crackberry
[16:30] <robbiew> #endmeeting
[16:30] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:30.
[16:30]  * robbiew needs to get packing ;)
[16:30] <robbiew> thanks all
[16:30] <Keybuk> robbiew: have a good flight
[16:30] <mvo_> have a good trip robbiew
[16:30] <Keybuk> I look forwards to receiving max tomorrow :-)
[16:30] <james_w> robbiew: it will probably take me as long as you this time :-)
[16:30] <robbiew> thanks...lol
[16:30] <ScottK> evand1: Is the KDE usb-creator included in the this week stuff?
[16:31] <Keybuk> assuming that the boot time results for the Mini 9 and Mini 10 are the same
[16:31] <Keybuk> (which they should be - they're identical hardware)
[16:31] <evand1> ScottK: that's pretty much ready for upload, I've just been holding off as much as possible while I try to find time to finish the devicekit backend (the existing HAL code is a bit wobbly)
[16:31] <Keybuk> I'm more than happy to lose the Mini 9 if somebody else has a use for it
[16:32] <robbiew> Keybuk: bring it to the sprint...I'm sure we can find it a home
[16:32] <Keybuk> robbiew: my attendance depends on what my doctor tells me when he calls tomorrow
[16:32]  * robbiew may take it to run his own bootcharts :P
[16:32] <evand1> ScottK: I told rgreening that I'd upload it though (I keep slipping on that though, need to dedicate some time to it before the weekend)
[16:32] <ScottK> evand1: Thanks.  It'll be good to get that in.
[16:33] <evand1> absolutely.  I'll endeavor to get that done.
[16:33] <ScottK> Keybuk: I now have a mini 10v also and am interested in doing Kubuntu testing to see if it's worth the trouble to try and do flavor specific boot profiling.
[16:34] <Keybuk> ScottK: it'd be certainly worth improving the performance of kdm and the kde desktop login
[16:35]  * ScottK will not doubt ping you for some hand holding.
[16:35] <Keybuk> in terms of the readahead lists, the move to sreadahead should fix that
[16:35] <ScottK> OK.  Good.
[16:36]  * ScottK saw your mail to the boot performance list today.
[16:39] <ogra> Keybuk, can you also make my ARMs faster please ?
[16:39] <Keybuk> no, but I can work on your LEGs
[16:39]  * evand1 rimshot
[16:39] <ogra> :P
[16:40]  * ogra goes to #ubuntu-leg 
[16:42] <Keybuk> I always remember that the security software installed on the Acorn 5000s was called ARM LOCK
[17:58] <ara> hello, hello
[17:58] <sbeattie> moin
[17:58] <pedro_> hola!
[17:59] <fader_> saluton
[17:59] <eeejay> yo yo
[17:59] <heno> hey
[18:00] <bdmurray> hey hey hey ;-)
[18:01] <charlie-tca> me too
[18:01] <heno> let's start
[18:01] <heno> #startmeeting
[18:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:01. The chair is heno.
[18:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[18:01] <heno> agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings
[18:01] <davmor2> hello
[18:02] <heno> hey davmor2
[18:02] <fader_> FYI schwuk was having connectivity issues earlier so he may or may not be responsive
[18:02] <heno> UbuntuBugDay highlights -- pedro
[18:02] <pedro_> _o/
[18:03] <pedro_> Last Thursday we had a hug day based on synaptic https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090716
[18:03] <pedro_> 134 bugs were hugged and the graph looks pretty great https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090716?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=synaptic-week-triaging.png
[18:03] <pedro_> Thanks a lot to the hug day heroes: yofel, scifly, kamusin, micahg, kralph, mistrynitesh and kelvingardiner
[18:03] <pedro_> btw some of them continue working on the hug day until yesterday :-) you guys rock!
[18:04] <bdmurray> that's fantastic!
[18:04]  * Kamusin :D
[18:04] <pedro_> hey Kamusin :-)
[18:04] <pedro_> Tomorrow we're having a hug day based on Evolution https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090723
[18:04] <pedro_> people already started to work on it (yes we have an awesome community!), so if you have a few spare minutes please help us with it,  come on you know you want a hug :-)
[18:05] <pedro_> and the last, we're looking for targets so if you have one or an idea please add it to the planning page
[18:05] <pedro_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Planning
[18:06] <heno> great, thanks pedro_
[18:06] <bdmurray> firefox-3.5 might be a good idea
[18:07] <pedro_> bdmurray, yeap , I'm adding it to the page
[18:07] <heno> [TOPIC] New bug control members! -- bdmurray
[18:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  New bug control members! -- bdmurray
[18:08] <bdmurray> Nothing to report at this time, just a couple of renewals.
[18:08] <heno> ok, thanks
[18:09] <heno> [TOPIC] SRU testing -- sbeattie
[18:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  SRU testing -- sbeattie
[18:09] <sbeattie> 8.04.3 finally got released last week, so hardy SRUs have slowed down a little.
[18:09] <sbeattie> Although a few new ones came into hardy-proposed that were queued up waiting for post-release.
[18:10] <sbeattie> There's still a number of jaunty and intrepid SRUs that could use testing.
[18:10] <sbeattie> Thanks to Aldo Bortot, Steven Ellis, Conan Barnes, Anton¡o Sch¡fano, Renzo Bagnati, grawity, aexl, Bryan McLellan, mcarni, Larry Reid for helping to test various proposed packages this week.
[18:10] <sbeattie> and that's all I've got on that front.
[18:11] <heno> ok, thanks sbeattie
[18:11] <heno> [TOPIC] Alpha 3 testing status
[18:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Alpha 3 testing status
[18:11] <heno> Have images been respun today?
[18:11] <davmor2> yes over and over
[18:12] <sbeattie> yeah, live cds are currently being respun
[18:12] <davmor2> ubuntu lives have just gone up
[18:12]  * sbeattie stands corrected.
[18:12] <davmor2> alt's seem to be okay to test
[18:12] <heno> are there issues beyond ecryptfs?
[18:13]  * ara syncs her images
[18:13] <davmor2> fglrx enabled mean you get no login screen
[18:13] <davmor2> just found
[18:14] <davmor2> windows isn't added to grub when installed side by side
[18:14] <heno> ok
[18:14] <heno> are we expecting the alpha will slip to Friday?
[18:14] <davmor2> probably.  I'm not around much tomorrow at all
[18:15] <davmor2> I swap clients around today so I could get as much done as possible and it's been going round in circles
[18:15] <heno> fader_, sbeattie, schwuk: can you step in and help with image testing?
[18:16] <sbeattie> yeah, can do.
[18:16] <fader_> heno: Definitely... I can run tests in the background while working on some other stuff
[18:16] <schwuk> Sure
[18:16] <pedro_> I'll be testing some images as well
[18:16] <davmor2> mind you we still don't need full coverage and with the breakages so far
[18:16] <heno> cr3, fader_: how are we doing on getting the automated test running again?
[18:16] <heno> thanks folks
[18:17] <fader_> cr3 sent me an updated checkbox package today but it still seems to have some issues on karmic
[18:17] <fader_> cr3: ^^ can you provide more info?
[18:17] <fader_> (About timing at least)
[18:18] <heno> it would be great to have some alpha 3 testing from cert - can we just blacklist bootchart testing?
[18:18] <cr3> the problems to solve were: 1. upstart changed configuration; 2. some tests/attachments were causing checkbox to wait forever on stdin
[18:18] <heno> or is more broken?
[18:18] <cr3> these have been solved and other improvements are currently underdoing testing before releasing checkbox
[18:19] <heno> 'other improvements'?
[18:19] <cr3> fader_: the issue you discovered about ioctl not working on karmic can be disabled for now, I mostly need to disable stdin rather than detaching from the controlling terminal
[18:19] <cr3> heno: I have folded a few changes completed for the oem team into the mix
[18:19] <sbeattie> "ioctl not working on karmic"?
[18:20] <cr3> as for timeline, I see nothing major, so a new package will be pushed this afternoon early enough to get some tests before the end of day
[18:20] <heno> ok, that sounds good
[18:21] <heno> coinciding with the last alpha images hopefully
[18:21] <cr3> sbeattie: this line works fine on jaunty, fails with some error message on karmic: fcntl.ioctl(STDIN_FILENO, termios.TIOCNOTTY)
[18:21] <fader_> That would be good timing :)
[18:21] <heno> Any other topics?
[18:22] <cr3> fader_: if you have the error message we used to have readily available, please paste to sbeattie
[18:23] <cr3> heno: I will specifically try to get some laptop tests done before the end of day
[18:23] <fader_> cr3: Will do
[18:23] <heno> cr3: ok, great
[18:24] <heno> seems we're done
[18:24] <heno> #endmeeting
[18:24] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:24.
[18:25] <pedro_> thanks you guys