[00:00] <jayteeuk> Yeah, that's a pretty bizarre patch - bizarre that it was ever reauired.
[00:00] <pwnguin> reauired?
[00:00] <pwnguin> oh
[00:00] <jayteeuk> Bah. fat fingers.
[00:00] <jayteeuk> s/a/q
[00:01] <pwnguin> heh
[00:01] <pwnguin> maybe 3.5 fixed it
[00:02] <pwnguin> ah, here's a multiline patch comment
[00:02] <pwnguin> http://patches.ubuntu.com/e/eclipse/extracted/eclipse-public-applypatch.dpatch
[00:02] <pwnguin> and a fairly lengthy patch
[00:03] <directhex> pwnguin, that patch kinda makes it hard to shift the feeling i've always had about eclipse
[00:04] <pwnguin> which is?
[00:04] <directhex> "bleh"
[00:04] <directhex> just never did anything for me
[00:04] <pwnguin> i dont see where C# would improve that
[00:04] <jayteeuk> So really my first steps are 0) Remind myself how I partitioned my drive. 0.1) Figure out if I can re-partition an encrypted drive and how. 0.2) Do it. 1) Install Karmic as a dual boot. 2) apt-get source eclipse. 3) Build it just to prove I can. 4) Start looking at / discussing the patches.
[00:04] <directhex> we used "JEdit" in the undergrad days ^_^
[00:05] <jayteeuk> directhex: That was my editor of choice before I picked up Eclipse.
[00:05] <pwnguin> our intro to programming course was in Java
[00:05] <pwnguin> and the mandatory editor was BlueJay
[00:06] <jayteeuk> I think the first language I was formally taught was Pascal.
[00:06] <jayteeuk> Then VB, then C I think.
[00:06] <directhex> pwnguin, well, monodevelop 2.0, the current stable release, with integrated debugging and gui designer, is packaged and working. eclipse is much more mature and has loads more developers. i don't really see the "excuse" for dreadful flaws like not having a working plugin API (i.e. needing to public-ize your app just to get an important plugin running)
[00:07] <directhex> i wish MD supported "real" Java though, not just IKVM
[00:07] <jayteeuk> Ironically, pointers in C never made sense to me until I started learning Java, which doesn't even have explicit pointers in the language.
[00:07] <pwnguin> directhex: i think you fail to understand
[00:07] <directhex> pwnguin, entirely possible
[00:07] <pwnguin> the main purpose of eclipse today is to serve the people who would otherwise be stuck with crappy vendor IDEs for embedded systems
[00:08] <pwnguin> check out the sponsors list
[00:08] <directhex> mmmmmmokay, sounds a bit weird, but okay
[00:08] <pwnguin> C and C++ developers need an IDE
[00:08] <pwnguin> every embedded system ive worked with came with a terrible IDE for a custom toolchain
[00:10] <pwnguin> sure, it works with Java and lots of academics like open source and java
[00:11] <jayteeuk> I thought the point of Eclipse was so that Java application server vendors didn't have to bother to write their own IDE - just a plugin that connects it to their app server's management interface. :)
[00:12] <jayteeuk> But then I only really do server-side Java, so my view is distorted.
[00:13] <jayteeuk> I've not really used CDT in anger.
[00:13] <pwnguin> places like Nokia, motorola, ARM, QNX, ericsen, freescale, lynuxworks
[00:13] <pwnguin> the JDT is well done
[00:13] <pwnguin> the custom compiler is fast and the IDE uses some nice tricks for fast lookups
[00:15] <pwnguin> personally, the last thing I used eclipse for, was, I think, either a BIRT 2.0 to 3.0 grammar converter, or perhaps a PHP website
[00:15] <jayteeuk> I like the JDT.  I'd like to be able to make more use of the J2EE perspective, but it seems to require that your project(s) be organised a certain way, which ours isn't.
[00:16] <pwnguin> BIRT is amazing. i spent a month on it, and I have no idea what it does or what it's for
[00:16] <jayteeuk> I quite like PyDev, although it can be a bit slow.
[00:17] <jayteeuk> I've seen BIRT mentioned, but I'm the same - no idea as to its purpose.
[00:18] <pwnguin> like i said, i wrote a parser and translator for it, and i still have no idea what it's purpose is
[00:18] <jayteeuk> In fact we don't make use of even a small percentage of what Eclipse can do.
[00:18] <pwnguin> when the new eclipse came out, i took a look at it and they mentioned BIRT again; turns out i guess its like an open source crystal reports
[00:18] <jayteeuk> Ah, right
[00:19] <pwnguin> business something something something
[00:19] <jayteeuk> Now you put it like that, possibly business intelligence reporting tool or something.
[00:19] <pwnguin> i think you got it
[00:20] <pwnguin> there's a line in Stephenson's Snow Crash
[00:20] <pwnguin> about someone who works for a place as a programmer, who has no idea what it is the program actually does
[00:20] <pwnguin> after that project, i now understand that it is indeed possible
[00:21]  * jayteeuk whistles innocently.
[00:21] <pwnguin> also, i may have either proved the chinese room, or disproved my own intelligence
[00:22] <jayteeuk> So I have to ask, what prompted your post about Eclipse?
[00:22] <pwnguin> anyways, step 5 on your list: ask for details on what needs to be done from doko
[00:22] <pwnguin> jayteeuk: i have friends who need something like it
[00:22] <pwnguin> it occasionally works
[00:22] <jayteeuk> "I have this friend..." :-P
[00:22] <pwnguin> his name is Dave
[00:23] <pwnguin> plus, it would really help Ubuntu's viability in certain large embedded nagivation firms
[00:25] <pwnguin> finally, because im an idiot and haven't tried monodevelop for anything besides mono
[00:25] <pwnguin> directhex: can i debug C++ with monodevelop?
[00:25] <jayteeuk> I just want to see Eclipse shipped by default in Ubuntu because I like it and don't have an inclination to try anything else at the moment.
[00:26] <pwnguin> when I was a TA for undergraduate operating systems, we showed students DDD
[00:26] <directhex> pwnguin, i haven't tested it extensively, but there's
[00:26] <directhex> C++ support and GDB integration, so presumably some combination of the two
[00:26] <directhex> let's give it a try
[00:26] <pwnguin> this is a suboptimal debugger; something else would help alleviate the torture that class becomes
[00:28] <pwnguin> man, it's 30 minutes to quittin time
[00:28] <jayteeuk> I don't know DDD.  I've only used GDB and Java's debugger.
[00:28] <pwnguin> DDD is an old graphical frontend to gdb
[00:28] <jayteeuk> D'oh, another late night for me.
[00:29] <jayteeuk> I think I used something called xgdb once?
[00:29] <directhex> pwnguin, seems helluva buggy, but it broke on a breakpoint and highlighted the right line, so that's something
[00:29] <pwnguin> jayteeuk: once you're comfortable with building eclipse and whatnot, I'll see about who you should talk to
[00:29] <pwnguin> directhex: heh
[00:30] <directhex> pwnguin, the only debugger people mention around me at work is DDT
[00:30] <directhex> pwnguin, in my spare time, i also use mdb
[00:30] <jayteeuk> pwnguin: Thanks.  I'll let it grow organically - baby steps, get the thing working first!
[00:31] <pwnguin> directhex: it doesn't help that nachOS uses a user library to do thread switching
[00:31] <pwnguin> instead of libpthread
[00:32] <jayteeuk> I'll have to brief my wife on which environment to select when Flash player overheats my CPU and shuts down the laptop again. :)
[00:32] <pwnguin> i donno why, but all flashplayer videos seem to peg at 100 percent
[00:33] <pwnguin> download the flv and give it to totem, runs fine
[00:33] <pwnguin> but given that firefox does the same thing to .ogg
[00:33] <pwnguin> im blaming the web
[00:33] <directhex> pwnguin, short version: adobe are chimps
[00:34] <jayteeuk> Don't hold back now.
[00:35] <pwnguin> well, after my last attempt at thinking it through failed so hard i mistook YUV for CMYK
[00:35] <pwnguin> i'm refraining from further idiocy
[00:36] <pwnguin> directhex: fyi, that patch was applied in 2006
[00:37] <directhex> pwnguin, i should bloody hope it was applied in 2001!#
[00:37] <pwnguin> ?
[00:37] <jayteeuk> Right, well... it's heading quickly towards 1am, and I have to be up for work in just over 6 hours... I guess I'm not going to get a dual boot sorted now.
[00:38] <pwnguin> if other people have a suggestion that's faster, by all means
[00:38] <pwnguin> i won't be offended
[00:40] <jayteeuk> I hadn't actually thought about it, but it seems the best option to me.
[00:41] <jayteeuk> I hadn't even considered that I'd need to be running Karmic actually, but when you mentioned it my thoughts were "VM, probably too slow.  chroot, didn't enjoy that experience."
[00:42] <pwnguin> well, if your end goal is depending on external libraries
[00:43] <pwnguin> you dont want to be running karmic on jaunty :)
[00:43] <jayteeuk> Hahah, no.  Obvious now it's been pointed out!
[00:43] <jayteeuk> I suspect I'll be submitting patches to a lot more packages than just eclipse.
[00:44] <pwnguin> good to hear!
[00:45] <jayteeuk> Through necessity - my (admittedly limited) understanding is that at least some of the external packages we want to depend on need this OSGi work doing to them.
[00:46] <jayteeuk> That's another thing for me to learn. :)
[00:47] <jayteeuk> This should be a lot of fun and very beneficial for my career.
[00:49] <jayteeuk> With luck and some hard work, I'd like to use it to support an application for Ubuntu membership.
[01:00] <jayteeuk> pwnguin: Thanks for all the help, hopefully I'll 'see' you again tomorrow.
[01:00] <jayteeuk> directhex: Thanks for the conversation - hope Mono works out for you. ;)
[01:14] <Laney> What's wrong with "libghc6-agda-dev (<< ${source:Upstream-Version}.1~),"?
[02:27]  * lajjr rebooting
[04:24] <stochastic> does anyone feel like doing a REVU on http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/a2jmidid
[06:23] <AnAnt> Hello, should I subscribe u-u-s to LP 402874 ?
[06:27] <AnAnt> there is no fix attached to this bug, I just said that I'm not sure wether it should be a sync or merge and explain the situation
[07:07] <stochastic> This package REVU only needs one more advocation http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/xwax  Anyone have a second?
[08:39] <noodles775> Hey wgrant! You might be able to answer a packaging question that I've got at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/pocketsphinx ? If you've time, could you take a look?
[08:39] <noodles775> I'm just keen to know if I can check a package in pbuilder that is dependent on another as-yet unpublished package (ie. can you pass it in to pbuilder somehow)
[08:40] <wgrant> I'd do a 'pbuilder login'
[08:40] <noodles775> I saw you can pass in extra dependencies, but that seems to be just other published packages that are not normally in the pbuilder default env.
[08:40] <wgrant> That gives you a shell.
[08:40] <noodles775> Oh?
[08:40] <noodles775> Ah OK, I'll try that, thanks!
[08:40] <wgrant> Then you can install the dependencies, and debuild -b
[08:41] <noodles775> Perfect... btw, wgrant are you motu (ie. can I pester you to do a review occasionally?)
[08:41] <wgrant> noodles775: I am, so sure.
[08:41] <geser> good morning
[08:41] <noodles775> Thanks!
[08:41] <noodles775> Morning geser
[08:42] <wgrant> Morning geser.
[08:46] <maxb> noodles775: The other option is to set up a local apt repository for your pbuilder, and configure pbuilder to bindmount it into the chroot
[08:47] <maxb> I use a shell script like lp:~maxb/+junk/apt-generate/ to generate the Packages / Release etc. files
[08:48] <lifeless> noodles775: hi, were you seeking me the other day?
[08:48] <noodles775> maxb: OK... thanks. I'll try just logging in first - as a one-off solution it seems simpler. But if I need to do this more often I'll try the local apt repo. Thanks!
[08:48] <noodles775> lifeless: Hi! I just wasn't sure how to go about getting a review, but geser has taken a look for me (for sphinxbase).
[08:50] <lifeless> ok cool
[08:51] <lifeless> I saw your mail; just a little swamped - bzr2.0 soon and there are still some major regressions in the new format [edge cases, but important ones]
[08:52] <noodles775> lifeless: Yes, I realised after sending the email that it was probably a really bad time :)  Hope it all goes well!
[08:56] <lifeless> thanks
[09:34] <gaspa> david_mentre: hi
[09:57] <mschering> Can I ask someone about uploading packages to REVU?
[09:57] <mschering> I've uploaded my package with dput successfully but it doesn't show up on http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/
[09:59] <david_mentre> gaspa: hello andrea
[10:00] <mschering> Anyone?
[10:03] <noodles775> mschering: it usually takes 5mins to be scanned I think
[10:04] <mschering> I've been waiting much longer
[10:04] <noodles775> Hmmm... can you paste the command and output of dput that you ran (at pastebin.ubuntu.com)?
[10:05] <noodles775> wgrant: Do I really need to manually install all dependencies? I think I'm doing something wrong:
[10:05] <noodles775> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/224184/
[10:06] <mschering> just pasted: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/224185/
[10:07] <noodles775> mschering: it's a new package then?
[10:08] <mschering> yes
[10:08] <wgrant> noodles775: Maybe try /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends-gdebi
[10:09] <gaspa> david_mentre: sync has been acked. we should wait a little, now.
[10:10] <wgrant> mschering: Let me look at REVU for you.
[10:11] <wgrant> mschering: You need to upload the _source.changes, not the _i386.changes.
[10:11] <wgrant> mschering: Make you sure call debuild with -S.
[10:12] <mschering> Ah ok
[10:12] <mschering> It's a web app and it's actually always a source package
[10:12] <mschering> I'll try again with -S
[10:12] <wgrant> Not in Debian terms.
[10:13] <mschering> OK thanks for the help. I'll try again.
[10:13] <david_mentre> gaspa: well, the ocaml packages are still in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive//sync-blacklist.txt
[10:14] <gaspa> david_mentre: yeah, we should wait a little for an archive-admin to remove it from the blacklist.
[10:46] <AnAnt> Hello, should I subscribe u-u-s to LP 402874 ?
[10:46] <AnAnt> there is no fix attached to this bug, I just said that I'm not sure wether it should be a sync or merge and explain the situation
[10:58] <slytherin> coolbhavi: When creating a merged package, you should use 'debuild -v<last_ubuntu_version> -S -sa' That way even the Debian changes appear in the .changes file.
[10:58] <coolbhavi> yes slytherin
[10:58] <coolbhavi> I do
[10:59] <slytherin> coolbhavi: You didn't do it for pbuilder.
[10:59] <coolbhavi> slytherin, okay maybe I missed
[11:00] <Laney> it's the uploader who has to do that
[11:00] <coolbhavi> Laney, okay
[11:00] <Laney> so unless you're a core-dev, it wasn't your fault
[11:01] <coolbhavi> okay
[11:01] <mok0> coolbhavi: *phew* :-)
[11:02] <coolbhavi> mok0, hi
[11:03] <coolbhavi> mok0, I do 5 a day when I am in term holidays :) othertime I dont have time to contribute
[11:04] <slytherin> Ahh, my mistake. I assumed coolbhavi is MOTU.
[11:04] <coolbhavi> slytherin, not yet
[11:05] <coolbhavi> slytherin, busy with final year in studies .. ll apply later
[11:05] <Laney> it's in main anyway
[11:05] <slytherin> Laney: yup, just checked that.
[11:08] <coolbhavi> slytherin, pbuilder was sponsored by mvo
[11:29] <noodles775> wgrant: I think I must be misunderstanding how pbuilder-satisfydepends-gdebi works... I assumed that it would use /var/cache/pbuilder/apt-cache for the dependencies?
[11:29] <noodles775> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/224235/
[11:30] <wgrant> noodles775: No, apt won't know about that.
[11:30] <wgrant> noodles775: You'll have to install the unavailable deps manually first.
[11:31] <james_w> you can use a hook to make built debs available to pbuilder
[11:32] <james_w> http://paste.ubuntu.com/224244/
[11:33] <james_w> save that as in your pbuilder hooks directory as D10_use_result and make it executable
[11:33] <james_w> then call pbuilder with "--bindmounts /var/cache/pbuilder/result/"
[11:34] <noodles775> Thanks james_w
[11:34] <slytherin> or configure bindmounts in pbuilderrc
[11:34] <noodles775> yep, I've got bindmounts configured to mount the results directory.
[11:40] <juli_> Hi MOTUs. Could you, please, take a look at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/libcobertura-java . I need this package for netbeans update.
[11:53] <slytherin> juli_: I will take a look. I didn't find time yesterday to deal with svn adapter
[11:53] <slytherin> :-(
[12:10] <slytherin> juli_: done
[12:11] <Laney> :(
[12:12] <Laney> need to merge cdbs for a new package
[12:14] <AnAnt>  debhelper now builds for several python version
[12:14] <AnAnt> dh_auto_{build|install} I mean
[12:14] <james_w> ooh
[12:14] <AnAnt> james_w: and it supports ant build system now
[12:15] <AnAnt> but that's in experimental
[12:15] <AnAnt> actually both of those additions are in experimental
[12:17] <AnAnt> btw, with javahelper 0.20, you can do: dh --with javahelper
[13:07] <DktrKranz> Laney: if you manage to merge it, please also address bug 401953
[13:08] <juli_> slytherin, thank you! I'll correct the package.
[13:08] <DktrKranz> AnAnt: yeah, I played with it a bit last night, very nice job. It needs some attention on *.install files, though
[13:12] <AnAnt> DktrKranz: what are you talking about ?
[13:13] <Laney> DktrKranz: does the bug happen in debian too?
[13:13] <DktrKranz> AnAnt: support for several python versions in dh7
[13:13] <AnAnt> oh
[13:14] <DktrKranz> Laney: no, it's Py2.6-related
[13:14] <AnAnt> DktrKranz: so, what attention do you mean ?
[13:15] <DktrKranz> AnAnt: files are stored under debian/tmp, so you have to provide some debian/*.install files to actually move files in the right binary package
[13:16] <AnAnt> DktrKranz: can't you do dh_auto_install -p<package name> ?
[13:16] <AnAnt> DktrKranz: to avoid installing in debian/tmp
[13:17] <DktrKranz> AnAnt: I usually do some override, with dh_auto_install -- --root=somewhere
[13:18] <DktrKranz> but if you have tiny rules, you have to either adjust it or provide .install files
[13:18] <AnAnt>  -- ?
[13:18] <DktrKranz> -- passes the rest of the line as option to dh_auto_install
[13:19] <DktrKranz> which it passes to setup.py, in case of distutils packages
[13:20]  * hyperair thinks liferea has *big* issues with being responsive
[13:23] <hyperair> bah, i removed apport once. how did it appear on my system again?
[13:23]  * hyperair growls at apport
[13:25] <directhex> * apport retraces hyperair
[13:27] <hyperair> yeah that's what i seriously hate.
[13:41] <rgreening> ScottK: ping
[13:55] <noodles-afk> wgrant: if you get a chance, I think the following is ready for review: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/pocketsphinx
[14:05] <bddebian> Heya folks
[14:07] <iulian> Hi bddebian.
[14:08] <bddebian> Heya iulian
[14:13] <ScottK> rgreening: Pong.
[14:15] <slytherin> bddebian: Did you verify if you are still a MOTU. :-)
[14:16] <bddebian> slytherin: No :(
[16:46] <Laney> gaspa: merging ghc6
[16:49] <gaspa> Laney: \o/
[16:53] <Laney>   Uploading ghc6_6.10.4-1ubuntu1_source.changes: done.
[16:53] <Laney> Successfully uploaded packages.
[16:54] <Laney> once this is published, sync haddock, then reupload with the b-d-i back in
[16:54] <Laney> then the world is broken and we get to rebuild everything again
[16:55]  * DktrKranz likes broken stuff
[16:56] <DktrKranz> Laney: did you manage to get that recap webpage somewhere?
[16:58] <Laney> DktrKranz: No it kept giving blank output and I don't know enough OCaml to fix it
[16:58] <Laney> but kaol has written a NMUtool that we should be able to hack into working
[16:59] <DktrKranz> Laney: that would help a lot, I managed a bit of haskell transitions, and sequence is the key
[16:59] <Laney> indeed
[17:01] <ScottK> The good news is with the Alpha 3 freeze on now the buildds should be pretty free.
[17:03] <Laney> out for a few hours
[17:03] <Laney> I'll upload the last bits when I get back
[17:03] <Laney> bye
[18:50] <kamalnandan> Hi..
[18:51] <kamalnandan> what is "debuild" command
[18:56] <kamalnandan> folks...what is debuild command in Ubuntu packaging?
[18:58] <geser> man debuild (install devscripts if needed)
[19:02] <kamalnandan> geser: when i do "apt-get install devscripts", it starts doenloading the scripts but on the telnet window(from where I gave the apt-get command) opens a terminal whose bckground is blue in color...and it asks us to accept...
[19:02] <kamalnandan> but how do we do this?
[19:04] <kamalnandan> how do we handle the problem that I have???
[19:17] <dcraven> kamalnandan: I'll take a stab and say that Tab might cycle through your dialog choices?
[19:23] <kamalnandan> dcraven..thanks for your reply...
[19:23] <kamalnandan> folks..bye for today..its 12 am now
[19:23] <kamalnandan> byw
[19:43] <rgreening> ScottK: ping
[19:45] <rgreening> ScottK: what are your thoughts on combinging two src tgz into one (tac-plus + webui)? I believe they should be packaged together, but upstream has them seperate (I think for dev purpose, but they go hand in hand... one no good without the other).
[19:46] <rgreening> ScottK: so I was thinking on repacking to jion into one so it can be managed easier. I'd still generate two debs with proper suggest/recommend. Otherwise, it would be two seperate source uploads
[19:47] <rgreening> ScottK: I believe the author still has it separate as 1) no distro has it packaged and 2) he has an older webui some were using.
[19:48] <rgreening> ScottK: the other reason I wanted to join was to create a meta package to install the daemon + webui, which most users would install (it seems cleaner as one src tgz then)
[19:48] <rgreening> ScottK-desktop: ^
[20:25] <ScottK> rgreening: You can combine them, but generally, I don't think it's a good idea.
[20:25] <ScottK> It can be painful from a maintainability perspective.
[20:25] <rgreening> ScottK: generally, I'd agree. In this case, I
[20:26] <rgreening> am working with auther to get the src together into svn or something...
[20:26] <rgreening> so, it'll be easier to maintain going forward...
[20:38] <rgreening> ScottK: I just proposed my idea to the auther. I hope he agrees so that the next release can be a single tgz (or at the very least distribute 3 src files (individual and a combined).
[20:38] <ScottK> rgreening: If so, then combining now isn't a big deal.
[20:39] <rgreening> exactly. I explained the reasons for doing it... he seemed agreeable to my other suggestions and 3 patches. so...
[20:39] <rgreening> ScottK: I think he's pretty much a lone developer/supported for this package. Any help I guess is really welcome :)
[20:40] <fabrice_sp> Hi. I have 5 patches in a packages managed by cdbs and simple-patchsys, and one patch is not applied. Any idea why this could happen?
[20:40] <ScottK> fabrice_sp: What's the name of the patch file?
[20:42] <fabrice_sp> python2.6-fix.patch seems to be split at build time between python2.6.patch that is not applied and a python2.6-fix.patch that is applied
[20:44] <fabrice_sp> pfff: forget it: the patch python2.6.patch is patched within python2.6-fix.patch
[20:44] <fabrice_sp> I think debian didn't adopted well my original patch
[20:44] <fabrice_sp> ScottK, ^
[22:08] <brettalton> Is it possible for me to get mentored to packaged both Code Igniter and Kohana, both php frameworks?
[22:08] <brettalton> I've been very interested in doing so for both projects, especially because they will have very little dependencies, so I figured they'd be good projects to learn how to package
[22:26] <nellery> brettalton: if you're interested in a getting a mentor see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring
[23:21] <asomething> I see ghc6 6.10.4-1ubuntu1 was uploaded. Anyone coordinating the transition?
[23:25] <asomething> The funny thing is that just yesterday I rebuilt some packages that had never made the 6.10.3 transition... Guess their un-installable again..
[23:29] <directhex> fta, is this gwibber package of yours functional? i can't get it to do anything useful
[23:30] <fta> directhex, which one?
[23:30] <directhex> 0.9.1~bzr255-0ubuntu1~fta1
[23:30] <fta> old
[23:30] <directhex> really?
[23:31] <fta>    gwibber | 1.2.0~bzr349-0ubuntu1~daily1 | http://ppa.launchpad.net karmic/main Packages
[23:31] <fta>    gwibber | 1.2.0~bzr346-0ubuntu2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com karmic/universe Packages
[23:31] <directhex> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/fta/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main #fta PPA
[23:31] <directhex> ?
[23:32] <fta> directhex, did you read the header of my ppa in the last 6 months?
[23:32] <directhex> fta, i don't make a habit of it
[23:32] <directhex> and LP's down
[23:33] <fta> it's the only communication vector for PPAs i'm afraid
[23:33] <fta> https://edge.launchpad.net/~gwibber-daily/+archive/ppa
[23:33] <fta> so something like deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/gwibber-daily/ppa/ubuntu karmic main
[23:34] <directhex> i should really SRU gtwitter to fix the twitpocalypse
[23:34] <fta> upstream is unable to create proper releases, so dailies are probably the best things you can run
[23:34] <fta> esp. as the identi.ca api is such a fast moving target
[23:50] <awe> kirkland: ping
[23:51] <kirkland> awe: yo
[23:52] <awe> if i'm looking at a merge, and the only change between the ubuntu version & debian, is an updated Standards-Version in the control file, should that be punted in favor of a sync?