[00:00] net problems at irc gateway [00:01] now back here ;) [00:01] lol [00:01] we have multiple asacs now [00:01] * BUGabundo wonders where here is [00:01] here == my primary irssi screen ;) [00:03] ahh === asac__ is now known as asac [00:21] reed__, does 3.6 has a codename already? [00:22] yes, Namaroka [00:22] er [00:22] Namoroka [00:22] I can't spell :) [00:22] another park? [00:23] they are all parks [00:23] every one of our code names [00:23] are parks [00:23] ok, good [00:23] is a park* [00:24] fta: it was already on wikipedia [00:25] and https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Namoroka [00:25] once you have the name, it's easy to find [00:27] is it me or is notify-osd font size SMALLER? [00:28] it is [00:29] it's almost unreadable, tiny font on semi-transparent background, it's blurry [00:29] BUGabundo, ^^ [00:29] BUGabundo, but if it's just to read your tests, it's all fine [00:30] * BUGabundo slaps fta around with a wet towel [00:31] yeah its smaller, less readable [00:31] and when mouse is over, (at least without nvidia driver so no composite) very blurry [01:11] asac, seems a big(?) part of lp is missing, there's a bunch of symlinks to ../sourcecode/xxx (outside of the branch), unless i missed something [01:11] BUGabundo, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/chromium-popcon-3.png [01:15] fta: file a bug. who knows what those symlinks are [01:15] fta: remember, closed source == better, in launchpad's eyes [01:15] :) [01:16] asac, i didn't use the script, i just cloned the branch [01:17] yeah. maybe they are filled when using the script [01:17] or they are left overs from best-practices developmenet deployments ;) [01:17] or simply bugs [01:17] http://paste.ubuntu.com/223983/ [01:17] fta: that looks like something that might get build [01:18] you build in ../sourcecode/ ? [01:18] e.g. loom is definitly free software too [01:18] me? [01:18] ;) [01:18] who knows. maybe they put the in-source generated stuff in lib/.. [01:18] http://paste.ubuntu.com/223997/ [01:19] that's from the root of trunk [01:19] yeah. try the script [01:19] most likely it makes a tree combined from multiple bzr things [01:19] no, it will break my system. [01:19] hehe [01:20] i havent looked so i cant help ... #launchpad-dev exists [01:20] i'm not looking for help, i'm just looking [01:20] yeah. check what the script does. maybe you can find the pieces [01:21] or what it runs to pull the pieces [01:21] i would think if it pulls something there would a command/script/rule for that part [01:22] http://paste.ubuntu.com/224005/ [01:25] i see nothing that could add the missing ../sourcecode/ [01:26] not sure. is that the complete build? maybe subscomponents have their own build stuff etc? [05:07] !ping asac [05:07] Sorry, I don't know anything about ping asac [05:08] silly bot... [05:08] he's probably still sleeping [05:08] owh .. [05:09] he's UTC +1 or +2 [05:09] I think... [05:09] micahg: http://imagebin.ca/view/ZLPiOLk9.html [05:09] is it a bugs or else .. seem like ff 3.0.11 work well [05:10] its happend at most of submit form at any website [05:10] shiretoko n minefield :( [05:11] micahg: any idea about that? [05:11] what happens on google.com? [05:11] same thing? [05:11] yeah .. [05:11] long form [05:11] wait [05:12] bug 383020 [05:12] Launchpad bug 383020 in firefox-3.5 "Some input fields are several times longer than normal" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/383020 [05:12] do you have a special font as the system default? [05:13] http://imagebin.ca/view/1pbpc3q.html [05:13] owh ok .. [05:13] theres someone already report the bugs .. [05:13] special font ? [05:13] yeah . i do . [05:14] i use Lucida Grande .. [05:14] yep [05:14] that'll do it [05:14] is it the course? [05:14] it's weird [05:14] ic .. [05:14] the ubuntu bug has the upstream listed [05:14] but .. for 3.0.11 seem ok [05:14] ok .. [05:14] * e-jat just wait the bugs get fixed :) [05:15] if you can add anything to the upstream report, go for it [05:15] thanks micahg for da info .. at least i know its already get triaged [05:15] * e-jat otw .. [05:16] you don't have any special powers in teh mozilla tracker do you? [05:17] it also happen in 3.6 [05:17] i dont think so .. [05:17] ok [05:18] probably something to do with teh code rewrite from 1.9 to 1.9.1 [05:18] ic [05:18] So if others could try setting [05:18] their fonts to Lucida Grande and see if they can reproduce the issue, perhaps [05:18] we can fix this permanently. [05:19] * e-jat creating account at mozilla [05:19] the workaround is aparently to change the font to Liberation Sans [05:20] you can vote for it :) [05:21] * e-jat yeah for sure ill do .. [05:21] you have the upstream bug no? [05:21] because .. it work well with 3.0.11 [05:21] just now u given me :) [05:22] ok [05:22] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=500550 [05:22] right? [05:22] Mozilla bug 500550 in General "Text input displayed too wide when certain fonts are used" [Minor,Unconfirmed] [05:22] yep [05:22] it worked fine in 3.0.11 with the same system? [05:22] You can note that in a comment [05:23] oh [05:23] neverming [05:23] ? [05:23] the OP posted it [05:23] you can still vote for it :) [05:25] submit it :) [05:26] submit what? [05:28] comment :) [05:28] nah, no need unless you're adding something [05:28] owh .. so i submit the imagebin link can ? [05:29] no need, unless it shows something the current atttachment doesn't [05:29] to make sure it not happend to google.com page only [05:29] or it not neccessary ? [05:29] that was still google wasn't it? [05:32] owh my mistake.. can i remove it ? [05:32] or will ya .. [05:34] :( [05:34] * e-jat my bad.. [05:36] It's ok [05:36] you can leave it there [05:43] hope it will be decide in short time :) [08:57] hi [09:04] Hey asac [09:05] hi Paddy_NI [09:05] * asac yawns still [09:06] hehe [09:06] Yeah its one of those mornings [09:07] I am getting ridiculous lag at the moment... mobile broadband [09:07] yeah. thats mobile broadband [09:07] Makes helping out on #ubuntu a real pain [09:09] i can guess that [09:11] Note that although we announced previously that we'd be holding back two [09:11] components (codehosting and soyuz), we changed our minds :-). They are [09:11] opened too -- all the code is open. See here for details: [09:12] fta: ^ [09:12] http://blog.launchpad.net/general/launchpad-is-now-open-source [09:12] hmm. didnt i post that yesterday too? [09:12] heh cool :D [09:12] Not that I had seen anyway [09:13] cheers that's excellent news [09:20] indeed [09:21] it was that we wondered yesterday whether there were still parts closed, which seems to be not the casde [09:44] * asac fights with bzr automagic tagging in debcommit [10:50] fta: its really crazy ... are really all orig.tar.gz in our dailies kept till eow? [10:50] seems the .debs really get removed [10:50] but [10:50] https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa/+files/xulrunner-1.9.2_1.9.2~a1~hg20090204r24644+nobinonly.orig.tar.gz [10:50] is the first 1.9.1 i can find ;) [10:51] sounds like it might match when we started 1.9.2 dailies [10:51] but ok. its just 600*30 origs for xul 1.9.2 [10:51] e.g. 18 GB [10:51] but for chromium its probably more annoying [11:11] asac, ~40GB [11:20] ok i think the BadWindow thing should be fixed in trunk dailies [11:43] hey guys is there a PPA with just firefox 3.5.1 release? [11:44] EruditeHermit: for what? [11:44] asac: to use? [11:45] EruditeHermit: jaunty -> jaunty-security [11:45] oh its in jaunty? [11:45] yes [11:45] how come I don't have it [11:45] and its up-to-date in -security [11:45] EruditeHermit: its a separate package so you can install it side-by-side [11:45] and even run it side by side [11:46] its ment to be a "preview" ... and a service we provide for firefox friends [11:46] install firefox-3.5 firefox-3.5-gnome-support [11:47] hmm [11:47] what about to replace firefox on the system [11:47] no such package available atm [11:47] you can remove firefox-3.0 ;) [11:47] but that will break the searchplugins (bug!) [11:47] well I'll keep it [11:48] does it show up as shiretoko? [11:48] yes [11:48] =( [11:48] we only brand the default browser officially [11:48] well. i guess you can live with it [11:48] !shiretoko [11:48] FF3.5 is referred to as Shiretoko on your UI, see http://is.gd/1reB3 for an explanation [11:49] !ffox35 [11:49] Sorry, I don't know anything about ffox35 [11:49] !ff35 [11:49] Firefox 3.5 Final is available for Jaunty by installing the package firefox-3.5 | FF3.5 is referred to as Shiretoko on your UI, see http://is.gd/1reB3 for an explanation | Hardy & Intrepid: http://is.gd/1jkNY [11:49] yeah yeah [11:49] well [11:49] bring on karmic [11:49] ! [11:49] EruditeHermit: will happen soon on karmic [11:50] alpha3 is out on thu ... then we start transitioning and hopefully for a4 we have 3.5 as our default [11:50] gdm is still broken (again) [11:50] !ff35 | gnomefreak [11:50] gnomefreak: Firefox 3.5 Final is available for Jaunty by installing the package firefox-3.5 | FF3.5 is referred to as Shiretoko on your UI, see http://is.gd/1reB3 for an explanation | Hardy & Intrepid: http://is.gd/1jkNY [11:50] can you please update that so it also suggests to install firefox-3.5-gnome-support [11:50] ? [11:50] i think i can do that too, but dont remember the syntax [11:51] i have it installed [11:51] and set to default [11:51] gnomefreak: i mean: can you please update the bot text ;) [11:51] oh [11:51] e.g. ... by installing the package firefox-3.5 => ... by installing the package firefox-3.5 (and firefox-3.5-gnome-support) [11:52] ubufox is not campatible [11:52] compatible [11:52] good no thinking needed [11:52] EruditeHermit: in jaunty? yes. in karmic, its compatible [11:53] i think we might want to consider a SRU for that [11:54] !no firefox-3.5 is Firefox 3.5 Final is available for Jaunty by installing the package firefox-3.5 and firefox-3.5-gnome-support | FF3.5 is referred to as Shiretoko on your UI, see http://is.gd/1reB3 for an explanation | Hardy & Intrepid: http://is.gd/1jkNY [11:54] I'll remember that gnomefreak [11:54] ubottu: thanks [11:54] You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-) [11:54] ubottu: i know [11:54] Sorry, I don't know anything about i know [11:55] why would you [11:55] !firefox-3.5 [11:55] Firefox 3.5 Final is available for Jaunty by installing the package firefox-3.5 and firefox-3.5-gnome-support | FF3.5 is referred to as Shiretoko on your UI, see http://is.gd/1reB3 for an explanation | Hardy & Intrepid: http://is.gd/1jkNY [11:55] asac: work for you? [11:55] !firefox-3.5 karmic [11:55] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [11:55] gnomefreak: yes. thanks [11:55] !ffox35 [11:55] Sorry, I don't know anything about ffox35 [11:56] !ff35 [11:56] Firefox 3.5 Final is available for Jaunty by installing the package firefox-3.5 | FF3.5 is referred to as Shiretoko on your UI, see http://is.gd/1reB3 for an explanation | Hardy & Intrepid: http://is.gd/1jkNY [11:56] gnomefreak: its not updated :( [11:56] see ^ [11:56] yeah thinking of how to alais it [11:56] i cant remember the command [11:57] !no ff35 is Firefox 3.5 Final is available for Jaunty by installing the package firefox-3.5 and firefox-3.5-gnome-support | FF3.5 is referred to as Shiretoko on your UI, see http://is.gd/1reB3 for an explanation | Hardy & Intrepid: http://is.gd/1jkNY [11:57] asac: alis is better but i have to spell it right [11:57] seems i got thrown out of the editors group ;) [11:58] asac: you may have to log in first anyway [11:58] gnomefreak: log in where? to freenode or to bot? [11:58] i am logged in [11:58] i dont mind ;) [11:58] asac: try typing @whoami [11:59] @whoami [11:59] !ff35 [11:59] Firefox 3.5 Final is available for Jaunty by installing the package firefox-3.5 and firefox-3.5-gnome-support | FF3.5 is referred to as Shiretoko on your UI, see http://is.gd/1reB3 for an explanation | Hardy & Intrepid: http://is.gd/1jkNY [11:59] !whoami [11:59] use @whoami [11:59] @whoami [11:59] doesnt work for me ;) [11:59] im seeing that [11:59] @whoami [11:59] gnomefreak [11:59] so i am not known ;) [11:59] ubottu: whoami [11:59] use @whoami [11:59] @whoami [12:00] ubottu: @whoami [12:00] stupid bot ;) [12:03] asac: try @login [12:03] there is a way to set it to log in automagicly but dont remember :( [12:03] !bot [12:03] Hi! I'm #ubuntu-mozillateam's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots [12:05] @login [12:05] @whoami [12:05] @help login [12:05] ubottu: help [12:06] ubottu: !login [12:06] nothing [12:06] bad bot [12:09] asac, you need to wait nickserv to update [12:09] asac, if you just logged in, it takes a while to refresh the cache [12:09] @whoami [12:09] i think i logged in like 12 hours ago :-P [12:09] lol [12:09] it doesnt work for me too [12:10] maybe it's lagging badly [12:10] ubottu: whoami [12:11] nothing [12:12] lol asac did you get a pm from bot? [12:12] bluekuja: you have to use @ [12:12] @whoami [12:12] nothing [12:12] ok be back i need to be briefed on what is going on in #...-ops [12:12] ok [12:17] bluekuja: you werent added to edit bot so the @ commands wont work (ther eis one command that will work but thats because ! gives you something else) [12:17] gnomefreak, oh ok [12:17] ^^ [12:17] @whoami [12:17] works now? [12:17] !help [12:18] look for a pm from bot he should explain it [12:19] no pms [12:19] : / [12:20] now that ther eis an irc council getting anyone bot privledges is a pain in the ass and i would hav eto look it up again. i havent done any of my op things in long time [12:20] it lagged out [12:20] lol [12:21] yep [12:23] asac: thunderbird is fixed just have to push changes and sunbird is fixed :) im not real sure what is next but im going slow today for a while until coffee kinks in. any ubufox i will look at if you have any [12:37] asac: ok tbird2 branc is pushed not populated but pushed [12:38] :) https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gnomefreak/thunderbird/thunderbird2.dev anything i need to change let me know kind of early while im not pulling my hair out yet [12:39] ok so i forgot the word "version" [12:39] gnomefreak: you should really use topic branch names ;) [12:40] in both entries [12:40] bug 401165 [12:40] Launchpad bug 401165 in thunderbird "build dependency on GCC-4.3 [armel]" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/401165 [12:40] asac: what do you mean thunderbird2/thunderbird.dev isnt right? [12:40] gnomefreak: well. your branch name should have been more like: thunderbird.lp401165 [12:40] etc. [12:41] asac: that would be alot of changing if i fix other bugs in it [12:41] gnomefreak: in that way you do not need to delete it after it was merged [12:41] so you keep it for your children [12:41] just mark it merged ... next time create a new branch with a good topicname [12:41] gnomefreak: you should just submit one branch per bug [12:41] thats a good guidline [12:41] asac: good point [12:42] gnomefreak: or give it a nother topic like month: thunderbird.gnomefreaks.jul.fixes1 [12:42] gnomefreak: or give it a nother topic like month: thunderbird.gnomefreaks.jul09.fixes1 [12:42] ;) [12:42] be innovative. but bug numbers usually work well [12:42] gnomefreak: you can rename your branch in launchpad [12:43] gnomefreak: maybe do that so i can merge it and then you can mark it merged ;) [12:43] :) i can change it [12:43] gnomefreak: yeah. use thunderbird.lp401165 [12:43] asac: did you merge ff brnach so i can marked that lerged [12:43] and request a merge if you want to do it right ;) [12:43] gnomefreak: the merge request will be automatically flagged as merge ... so i think you should see an email and then you can mark the branch merged too [12:43] i didnt do that yet [12:43] my bad [12:44] i approved it though [12:44] so you could probably already mark it as merged [12:44] * gnomefreak looks for target branch for tbird [12:45] found it [12:46] asac: ok tbird is ready for review when you get time [12:47] updates > email > something else [12:47] something else can be replaced with anything that is needed [12:58] asac: my sunbird branch is using normal name since it is my main branch (hope you can deal with versioning since i pushed ubuntu6 to PPA by mistake (before i got to fix branch [13:03] bug 386797 [13:03] Launchpad bug 386797 in launchpad-foundations "Enable distributed content development" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/386797 [13:25] does anyone not see the video on http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi2784428569/ [13:27] nope [13:28] i see it fine too seems wolfger doesnt [13:29] asac: look at bug 263442 for more info if you want it [13:32] !info gnash-plugin-mozilla [13:32] ok what is the name of that app [13:32] ah found it [13:33] damn bot [13:43] asac: what is the package name for epiphany-browser-webkit (not gecko) [13:59] gnomefreak: epiphany-webkit [13:59] !info mozilla-plugin-gnash [13:59] mozilla-plugin-gnash (source: gnash): free SWF movie player - Plugin for Mozilla and derivatives. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.5-0ubuntu1 (jaunty), package size 39 kB, installed size 216 kB [14:00] asac: thanks but it wasnt in hardy as i recall [14:00] it is [14:00] not that version of course, but the package should be there [14:01] oh cool [14:01] oh crap [14:01] cant remember bug # now [14:01] there shouldnt be soo many gnash bugs ... at lesat compared to ffox [14:02] * gnomefreak getting pissed off at people not listening to help themselves [14:02] asac: most i would say are swfdec-* [14:02] yes swfdec is too slow [14:04] its crap and not needed IMHO [14:04] but thats me [14:04] * gnomefreak needs smoke before i get ban happy [14:08] ban-happy ... sounds like fun [14:17] :) it can be [14:18] asac: what did you do to ubufox? see bug 402804 [14:18] Launchpad bug 402804 in ubufox "Ubufox 0.8a1 does not respect my homepage" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/402804 [14:18] i have been checking email way too long becuase of the BS in -ops [14:19] seems you set the search as home page (in links yes but not home page afaik [14:19] !info firefox-3.5 karmic [14:19] firefox-3.5 (source: firefox-3.5): safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.5.1+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 931 kB, installed size 3580 kB [14:19] hmmmm [14:23] gnomefreak: its not ubufox i think. i commented on the bug [14:23] asac: thanks [15:19] * gnomefreak thinking of taking the rest of day off. its a bit earlier than i thought i would [18:01] hey asac, saw you on this bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/269188 , was curious if this fix is still needed in 8.04.3 http://ppa.launchpad.net/fta/ubuntu [18:01] Ubuntu bug 269188 in nspr "Extreme slowness, "Firefox is already running" error for >3 users launching Firefox in LTSP environment" [High,In progress] [18:24] denisesballs: i would think its needed, yes [18:25] ok, cool. i did install it just to be safe but wanted to check === ejat is now known as e-jat [19:51] reed__, failed! https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=503597#c6 [19:51] Mozilla bug 503597 in Build Config "configure.in silently disables necko wifi when header is missing (Linux only)" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [20:00] asac, is bug 401859 a dupe of bug 107247? [20:00] Launchpad bug 401859 in firefox-3.5 "scrolling with keyboard doesn't always work" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/401859 [20:00] Launchpad bug 107247 in firefox "Launchpad bug pages trigger caret browsing in Firefox and other Gecko browsers" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107247 [20:01] fta: I'll look in a bit [20:01] fta: a [20:01] ah [20:01] dbaron got it [20:15] hey [20:15] any reports of firefox screwing up its keep-alive handling? [20:34] james_w: regression? [20:34] I'm not entirely sure [20:34] micahg: from summary it seems so [20:34] james_w: there are a bunch of keep-alive reports open in bugzilla [20:34] I'll try downloading in a minute [20:35] asac: is it ok that the other bug is titled for LP only, I know the upstream wasn't [20:35] james_w: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=keep-alive&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&resolution=DUPLICATE&resolution=---&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=exact&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailtype2= [20:35] I hit a page, it sends a keep-alive request, receives the response, I hit reload, and most of the time it will spin until the server closes the connection, and only then send the GET according to wireshark [20:36] epiphany has no such problem [20:36] micahg: asked for other websites [20:36] micahg: having more examples might help getting a minimal testcase [20:37] i am not even sure mozilla folks will see the current caret problem as it just appeared on edge [20:37] I also see it on amd64 [20:37] I noticed you marked upstream as x86 [20:37] james_w: do you monitor this on server side or on client? [20:37] I'm both in this case [20:37] I was hitting a local webserver [20:38] asac: open https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161464 [20:38] Mozilla bug 161464 in Networking "http 1.1 keep-alive doesnt' work" [Normal,New] [20:38] wait a minute [20:38] hit reload, takes ~1.5s for me [20:38] count to 3 [20:38] i have to run ... will be back in 5 minutes [20:38] hit reload, takes ~20s [20:38] sure [20:39] wait another minute, hit reload, takes ~1.5s again [20:45] james_w: ffox 3.5? [20:45] 3.0 [20:45] just about to try 3.5 [20:45] james_w: i dont see it here in 3.5 [20:47] james_w: works well here. extensions? [20:47] 3.5 checks out ok [20:47] I'll test [20:47] what's the command to get a blank profile? [20:47] if you find the extension that causes this let me know [20:47] james_w: run firefox -P [20:47] to open the profile manager [20:48] and create a new one [20:48] james_w: or run with -safe-mode [20:48] but some extensions still interfere badly [20:48] I see 3.0.12 was released [20:48] this was a profile that I started fresh a month or so ago [20:49] Can I start asking people to test with the new version? [20:49] micahg: you mean fix committed bugs? [20:49] no [20:50] crashes we haven;t pinned down yet [20:50] Did we have any fix committed for FF3.0? [20:51] micahg: i dont think we had any crash fix committed no. [20:51] ok [20:51] yeah, seems to be a plugin [20:51] but i think asking for crashes where there is no way to reproduce doesnt make much sense [20:52] james_w: if you have a list i could do a bet :) [20:52] "Tamper Data" [20:53] as soon as you suggested plugin I though it might be that one :-) [20:53] if you have the window open but inactive then it screws up keep-alive [20:53] wow. what is tamper data ;) [20:53] new to me [20:53] sounds scary ;) [20:53] allows you to edit headers on the fly [20:53] heh ok [20:53] yeah [20:53] probably there is header bustage then [20:54] it shouldn't get involved if it's inactive [20:54] but I can live with closing the window when I'm not using it [20:54] thanks [20:54] yeah [20:54] james_w: do you have an extension to monitor whats going on? liveheaders works good for me [20:54] yeah, I use liveheaders as well [20:54] asac: I think I figured out part of the flash problem [20:54] ah ok. so you probably have setup rules that bust the thing [20:54] ok [20:54] lets not bother then [20:55] if a user installs a flash plugin intheir profile and then installs the system extension, flash won't work [20:55] but I needed to send some weird headers for testing [20:55] thanks for your time [20:55] micahg: the multiple-flash-cause-confusion problem? [20:55] yeah, that's one version of it [20:55] james_w: np [20:55] I'm still trying to figure out the conflict between different flashes thingy [20:56] micahg: why wont flash work in that case? [20:56] I don't know [20:56] you mean if he installs two time the same flash version? [20:56] I think it might be trying to use both [20:56] or if he has different versions? [20:56] micahg: that might be a bug [20:56] no, version 9 is installed in teh profile, version 10 as a .deb [20:56] yeah [20:56] I think so [20:56] I have to check upstream [20:56] micahg: does it feel like it tries to use different engines alternating? [20:56] possibly [20:56] e.g. one flash film use this, the other that and so on [20:56] it's a theory at the moemnt [20:56] I haven't tested [20:57] micahg: do you see anything on the console? [20:57] but from most of the cases I've seen over the past few months it makes sense [20:57] I'll have to test it over the weekend [20:57] micahg: please check if it works with upstream build [20:58] as in I should download the tarball and try it? [20:58] like linking our sys plugin to the upstream build plugins/ dir [20:58] right. unpack upstream build. there is a plugins dir i guess. link the plugin that we have system wide in it with ln -s [20:58] ok [20:58] and then start with same profile that has the profile flash [20:58] I'll have to try that over the wekend [20:59] great [21:01] asac: the adobe reader issue still under triage right? [21:15] asac: bug 291817 is won't fix for ff3, right? [21:15] Launchpad bug 291817 in firefox-3.5 "Click on the back button doesn't scroll the previous page to the previous position" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/291817 [21:39] hey hey [21:48] guys installed daily ppa ff 3.6 (for jaunty) in debian experimental [21:48] works ok [21:48] but lost search engines [21:48] :\\ [21:57] obviously [21:57] as they are in our 3.0 package [21:57] ahhhh [21:57] right [21:58] that's why we pull it on ubuntu [21:58] asac, http://identi.ca/notice/6844689 [21:58] but doesn't work on debian [21:58] LOOLOLOL [21:59] jamesh, 1st complaint against -daily builds: http://identi.ca/notice/6844689 [21:59] jamesh, oops, sorry, wrong james [21:59] ahhahah [22:08] fta: i dont get what he refers to exactly [22:09] fta: buildd queue? [22:09] asac, i think so [22:09] asac, https://edge.launchpad.net/~stemp/+archive/ppa [22:12] seems he's also doing a bunch of ppa work: https://edge.launchpad.net/~stemp/+ppa-packages [22:17] BUGabundo: search engine bug 383484 [22:18] Launchpad bug 383484 in firefox-3.5 "search engine plugins missing in firefox-3.5 packages" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/383484 [22:18] eheh [22:18] don't think that's exatly my bug [22:18] NOR is it supported [22:18] to isntal PPA packages on debian [22:18] :) [22:19] well, it's the bug for the search engines to either be a separate package or be included in everything [22:30] asac: (10:30:00 PM) rleeds: I feel like I must not be the first to ask this (I apologize), but I just started getting a custom google search from my shiretoko search bar today. What gives? [22:31] I want to smack you too [22:31] why did you change my BLANK page? [22:31] now I have a co-search ! [22:31] :p [22:34] fta: hi [22:34] i am looking at https://launchpad.net/~fta/+archive/ppa . are you mozilla staff? [22:34] or Ubuntu staff? fta? [22:35] ubuntu [22:35] ok. [22:35] i just wanted to know whether any ppa site on launchpad.net is safe [22:35] are all safe? [22:35] safe? [22:35] does launchpad.net verify each ppa sub-site [22:35] what does verify mean? [22:35] micahg: maybe a bad person would try to put malware... [22:36] you shouldn't use a ppa unless you trust the person/group [22:36] no [22:36] no PPA is verified [22:36] pianistbaby, no, by default, no ppa should be trusted, anyone could create one [22:36] you have to trust on who runs the PPA [22:36] same as the archive [22:36] fta: ok, but you are paid staff with ubuntu? [22:36] anyone can upload their own version of a certain app with malware in it if they wanted to [22:36] you trust archive admins and devs with upload rights [22:36] BUGabundo: micahg, fta: so how can we know whethre someone's ppa on lauchpad is safe? i'm a newbie. [22:37] paid? naaa he just loves us too much [22:37] you don't [22:37] you don't pianistbaby [22:37] if you want safe, stick with the ubuntu repos [22:37] if you really want, you need to check the source [22:37] BUGabundo: is fta an archive admin and dev? [22:37] but I can't imagine anyone checking Firefox source!!! [22:37] BUGabundo: i don't know how to read source. [22:37] pianistbaby: I'll let fta answer that [22:38] i'm no comp-scientist. [22:38] don't want to offend him :p [22:38] does mozilla create an official PPA site for thunderbird? [22:38] pianistbaby, i'm not archive admin, i'm not paid by canonical, but i'm a regular contributor [22:38] ohh don't worry. we are all *crazy* scientist [22:38] pianistbaby: are you looking for somethign specific? [22:38] what's the worst thing that can happen if we get a bad person's ppa? [22:39] micahg: yes, thunderbird [22:39] have all your personal files sent to everyone in china :) [22:39] micahg: really? [22:39] wow. [22:39] not good [22:39] just about anything [22:39] can a bad person's ppa also do stuff like keylog ? [22:39] yep [22:39] this is scary and serious stuff [22:39] right [22:40] that's why i want to know to be careful before installing ppa [22:40] It's freedom for developers [22:40] but caveat emptor applies [22:40] that's why i'm wondering if mozilla creates easy PPA for thunderbird. [22:40] pianistbaby: you looking for thunderbird 3? [22:40] micahg: yes, beta 3 [22:40] pianistbaby, you're the 1st to ever ask that question here ;) [22:40] pianistbaby: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa [22:40] the mozilla team maintains this [22:41] micahg: thanks. [22:41] it's actually preb4 [22:41] fta's pretty trustworthy too :) [22:41] micahg: if the official mozilla team created that, why does fta invest time with his ppa? [22:41] now pianistbaby you will have to trust US [22:41] is it not reduntant? [22:41] ask fta :) [22:41] err [22:41] pianistbaby, it's also me pushing stuff there, so if you don't trust me, no luck ;) [22:41] pianistbaby: fta is the mozilla team [22:41] LOL [22:42] BUGabundo: when i asked fta, he just said he's with ubuntu. he didn't say he was with mozilla. [22:42] pianistbaby, my own PPA pre-dates all the -dailies [22:42] what does "pre-date" mean. does that mean that your ppa are "newer"? [22:42] pianistbaby: fta does most of the uploading for the daily ppa anyways [22:42] no, it was created before [22:43] now, i moved my attention to dedicated ppas [22:43] guys, i already have http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa/ubuntu in my sources list. (this is how i get the latest firefox 3.5 everyday.) [22:44] then take tb3 from there too [22:44] well, you can just install thunderbird-3.0 then [22:44] so when i go apt-get install thunderbird, will this remove my current version of TB, which is 2.0.0.22 (20090608)? [22:44] no [22:44] you can have both [22:45] can i have TB3.0 "take over" my 2.X.x? [22:45] by take over i mean, that it knows my email accounts, etc. [22:45] it should import your profile on install [22:45] micahg: thanks. i'll try now. [22:45] or rather copy it [22:45] you folks are so helpful!!! [22:45] we do try [22:45] I love PPA stuff. [22:45] I also have chromium on ppa [22:45] and in the mean time we laugh a bit [22:45] I started uploading to my own [22:46] that's when it gets cool IMHO [22:46] pianistbaby: again done by fta [22:46] LOLOL [22:46] you trust him too much [22:46] you can't do that [22:46] lol [22:46] BUGabundo: fta does chromium? [22:46] wow [22:46] yes, i do [22:46] I've never even seen a pic of him [22:46] fta, i guess i do trust you. 8-) [22:46] at least asac as a fake on his launchpad account [22:46] fta, are you a computer scientist student? [22:47] BUGabundo: fake what? [22:47] micahg: :) [22:47] pianistbaby: no.... fta just fakes he works very hard at the office [22:47] but then spends all his time here [22:48] with daily builds, the excitement for the next ubuntu version is decreased. [22:48] does anybody share that feeling. [22:48] fta: is your work in office IT work? [22:48] pianistbaby, no [22:48] no, dailies aren't meant for everyone [22:48] now I realize I have no idea what fta does for a living :) [22:48] there is a certain amount of risk [22:48] fta: what do you do? [22:49] BUGabundo, because i don't talk much about my private life in public, it's private [22:49] i prefer it that way [22:49] :) [22:49] I would say you can tell me in PVT [22:49] i just installed TB3.0. and i use gmail. tb3 copied over profile from tb2.x. i read that tb3b3 has new gmail features. does this mean i have to tweak stuff in my gmail accounts in tb3.x? [22:50] but then some of it would be slaterd all over the intertubes :) [22:50] or not! [22:50] Humor break: http://www.arcamax.com/jokes/s-583848-122673 [22:52] BUGabundo, i'm a regular contributor and i usually know what i'm doing, that's enough to know about me ;) [22:59] fta not for me [22:59] BUGabundo, what do you mean? [22:59] but hey, no one can (or will) force you [22:59] fta: heh .ok. but he seems to be the silent minority still - fortunately [22:59] fta: I'm just TOOOO curiouse [22:59] why do you think I run the cutting edge [22:59] ? [22:59] and am on allllll so many SNs? [23:00] asac: ?? [23:00] asac, yep [23:00] stemp - re: complain about daily ppa [23:00] ah [23:08] micahg: bug 291817 is wont fix for 3.0, yes. is it forwarded upstream? (launchpad seems down) [23:08] Launchpad bug 291817 in firefox-3.5 "Click on the back button doesn't scroll the previous page to the previous position" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/291817 [23:09] asac: yeah, it was fixed upstream [23:09] and fixed in 3.5 [23:09] I was just going to close it in 3.0 [23:09] LP is undergoing maintenance [23:09] * asac wonders if xul 1.9.2 dailies are built [23:09] that e-mail from yesterday was about today :) [23:09] I got some updates asac [23:10] lets check update [23:10] BUGabundo: did they fix your BadWindo issues? [23:10] let me restart FF [23:10] maybe try to restart a bunch of times [23:10] not that restart fixes it [23:10] I may need to restart my system t [23:10] or that [23:10] bzr: ERROR: Invalid url supplied to transport: "lp:~chromium-team/chromium-browser/chromium-browser.head": OOPS-1299EA671 [23:10] https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1299EA671 [23:10] if you updated xulrunner you need to stop it ... and be sure its not running [23:11] then start it and kill it a few times [23:11] at best from a console [23:11] great.... no crash but not verbose or FF :( [23:11] asac: I mostly start FF from cli or DO [23:11] BUGabundo: ensure that no ffox is running using ps and killall ;) [23:12] $ firefox-3.6 -g [23:12] [New Thread 0x7fffe65f1950 (LWP 390)] [23:12] [New Thread 0x7fffe5df0950 (LWP 391)] [23:12] (no debugging symbols found) [23:12] (no debugging symbols found) [23:12] (no debugging symbols found) [23:12] (no debugging symbols found) [23:12] [Thread 0x7fffe5df0950 (LWP 391) exited] [23:12] [Thread 0x7fffe65f1950 (LWP 390) exited] [23:12] Program exited with code 01. [23:12] BUGabundo: which version does xulrunner-1.9.2 have? [23:12] asac: of course I did that [23:12] :)) [23:12] seems its not built yet [23:12] let me se [23:12] but LP is in read only mode so i dont know [23:12] waiting for upgrade to finish [23:12] Installed: 1.9.2~a1~hg20090721r30497+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1 [23:13] yeah thats too old [23:13] 1.9.2~a1~hg20090722r30558+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd2 [23:13] thats the one [23:13] too bad..seems its not yet finished [23:13] i only get 1.9.1 update from 22nd Jul [23:14] $ firefox-3.6 --safe-mode [23:14] Gdk-ERROR **: The program 'firefox-3.6' received an X Window System error. [23:14] This probably reflects a bug in the program. [23:14] The error was 'BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)'. [23:14] (Details: serial 920 error_code 3 request_code 20 minor_code 0) [23:14] (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously; [23:14] that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. [23:14] To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line [23:14] option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful [23:14] backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.) [23:14] aborting... [23:14] Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped) [23:14] too old? [23:14] so no fix :( [23:14] too old? [23:14] I just did my daily updates!!! [23:15] crazy drunku coder [23:15] there was a ftbfs today, i fixed it, but did i respin the build? i don't remember [23:15] fta: did you fix before or after my commit? [23:15] jesus christ asac [23:15] multisearch is terrible [23:15] fta: i think you fixed something before [23:16] asac, your commit? i didn't see any from you today [23:16] LLStarks: its not ment to be beautiful ;) [23:16] google images and google news is gone! [23:16] let me check [23:16] fta: committed bandaid patch for BadWindow crashes [23:16] why would anyone think that this was a good idea? [23:17] LLStarks: but is it? [23:17] I've seen ppl talk about it [23:17] fta: http://identi.ca/notice/6819369 [23:17] i hate it [23:17] hmm seems to not reveal the revision ;) [23:17] and i see it as an infection to my firefox 3.6 [23:17] fta: 478 [23:18] I just want TabMixPlus to finally fix their dumb plugin and make it work again [23:18] asac, mine is 479 [23:18] LLStarks: first: file a bug [23:18] fta: what wsa the build problem [23:18] ? [23:18] doh.... [23:18] checking for iwlib.h... no [23:18] configure: error: Can't find header iwlib.h for Necko WiFi scanning (might be in package iwlib-dev (Ubuntu) or wireless-tools-devel (Fedora)); use --disable-necko-wifi to disable [23:18] make: *** [build-tree/mozilla/config.status] Error 1 [23:18] fta: was the patch i landed involved? (i swear i tested if it applies with the current topmost changelog revision) [23:19] brb [23:19] fta: ah ok [23:19] need to wack a few ppl [23:19] fta: thanks. did you add libiw-dev? [23:19] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/402767 [23:19] ENJOY [23:19] Ubuntu bug 402767 in firefox-3.5 "multisearch add on blocks the functionality of firefox location bar" [Undecided,Triaged] [23:19] asac, yes [23:19] i think we need to add that actually to eanble wifi [23:19] good catch [23:19] add firefox-3.6 ubuntu to that [23:19] so some luck it started to fail [23:19] LLStarks: thats your bug? [23:19] ok [23:19] consensus: multisearch is pure fail. [23:19] LLStarks: i think i already commented on that? [23:20] asac, no, they added that configure check today, but the feature was there since last week [23:20] LLStarks: want to co-file one against Notify-OSD beeing over FF search? [23:20] fta: huh? but before they used wireless extension for this geolocation thing? [23:20] asac, yes [23:20] mozilla 503597 [23:20] fta: i think we forgot to enable it ;) ... which would explain why i just processed a bug yesterday where someone complained that it doesnt work [23:21] Mozilla bug 503597 in Build Config "configure.in silently disables necko wifi when header is missing (Linux only)" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=503597 [23:21] This new extension essentially cripples the toolbar. I can't search images, news, or use functions like define:word [23:21] (besides the weaknesses that wireless extension imposes) [23:21] oh shit, bug. i hate that! [23:21] asac, no, it's enabled by default, but the lib is loosely loaded at run time [23:21] notifications are pest [23:22] fta: and what at compile time? so 3.5 shipped their own headers and didnt need the -dev package? [23:22] LLStarks: is that a different bug? (notifications)? [23:22] yah [23:23] it's annoying tho [23:23] asac: fta: any of you on laptop and karmic? [23:23] yes [23:23] open GPM and enable and disable DIM [23:23] LLStarks: what is annoying about notifications? font size? [23:23] BUGabundo: that hung for me the last time i tried that [23:23] i disabled dimming because of that [23:23] like a few weeks ago [23:23] asac, it covers the search box [23:23] not sure i want to enable it just now [23:23] LLStarks: use full nick or I won't get pinged. lets file it then [23:24] asac: with DIM it has less brigh EVEN when I'm using it on AC [23:24] stupid [23:24] LLStarks: yeah but it goes away if you go with mouse over it ... at least notify-osd does [23:24] need someone to cross check [23:24] asac, as long as multisearch kills google functions, i will press hard to see it removed. [23:24] as long as you package it, you are not my ally [23:24] LLStarks: the bug is not youre above, how about opening a new one [23:25] * micahg doesn't understand this mutisearch [23:25] is it a new extension [23:25] i can't file right now, lp is semi-down [23:25] or does it come with FF? [23:25] LLStarks: yeah. good. [23:25] LP will be back up in a half hour [23:25] will someone explain to me what multisearch actually does? [23:28] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137598 [23:28] Ubuntu bug 137598 in gnome-power-manager "Screen brightness resets to default (maximum) on idle with AC plugged in" [High,Confirmed] [23:28] I wonder if my dim bug is a regression from this one [23:28] asac, Jul 18 23:12:36 lol, mozilla 479898 [23:28] Mozilla bug 479898 in Networking "support for WiFi access point scanning" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=479898 [23:28] mozilla?!?!?!? [23:29] for geolocalization [23:29] we have bug 398205 that I didn't know what to do with [23:29] Launchpad bug 398205 in firefox-3.5 "Geolocation via WLAN doesn't seem to work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/398205 [23:30] ahh [23:30] 3.5 and above? [23:30] fta: right but it needs iwlib.h ... would think its in libiw-dev [23:31] micahg: did the reporter answer yet on that? [23:31] LLStarks: #+1 has more supporters for your multisearc bug [23:32] BUGabundo: we currently have modified newtab experience to find out how important newtb would be for user-experience; based on the results we will then discuss if or what to do. [23:32] what's newtb? [23:32] newtab [23:32] and is it 3.5 ONLY? [23:32] if you hit ctrl+t [23:32] no its in 3.0 and 3.5 [23:32] nope [23:32] and maybe 3.6 [23:32] I get it on 3.6 [23:32] I WANT MY BLANK [23:33] yeah coulud be. is a pretty simple extension that should work everywhere [23:33] it has always been blank [23:33] BUGabundo: you should open a bug against firefox-3.0 then [23:33] :((( [23:33] and firefox-3.5 [23:33] add two tasks [23:33] BUT you CHANGED my system [23:33] without me asking for it [23:33] its a FF setting [23:33] we change your system all the time while you ride the devel release [23:33] its a new thing. so that got added. you can disable it in tools -> addons [23:34] so when I asked fta if that javascript option would be re-enable with the fix, he said NO [23:34] yes [23:34] and now I get changes to stuff like HOMEPAGE? [23:34] darn [23:34] we dont change preferences [23:34] but you didnt have any preference for newtab [23:34] I did for HOME PAGE [23:34] which HISTORICLY is == NEWTAB [23:34] yes. but home page isnt changed [23:34] no [23:34] thats not true [23:34] newtab is empty [23:34] by default [23:35] not homepage [23:35] (11:32:37 PM) billybigrigger: time to start using chromium again i think :) [23:35] (11:33:31 PM) DanaG: Wow, that was installed without consent. [23:35] hey Pici you too? [23:35] lol [23:36] BUGabundo: Huh? [23:36] BUGabundo: file a bug and post such things there [23:36] thats probably best [23:36] Pici: nvm [23:36] asac: LP down [23:36] if it was up LLStarks already would [23:36] LLStarks: when you do, sub me to IT [23:36] I don't like this change a bit either [23:37] +1 [23:38] * BUGabundo BUGabundo turns #U-MT into #u+1 [23:38] hahaha [23:38] the 1st guy to see LP back up, file the bug against 3.0 [23:38] and then asac will have to change it to 3.5 [23:38] once that becomes default [23:38] that we should expect it to be in 2012 :p [23:39] * micahg stilll doesn't know what the bug is [23:39] micahg: several actually [23:39] micahg, tried to use the search bar in FF lately? [23:39] micahg: newtab is now a search [23:39] no [23:39] and Search engine defaults to costum search [23:39] and not GOOGLE [23:40] with all it usual options, like calendar, images, etc [23:40] works fine for me... [23:40] firefox-3.0 (3.0.11+build2+nobinonly-0ubuntu2.me001) karmic; urgency=low [23:40] * add me001 multisearch feature for karmic alpha3 [23:40] - add debian/extensions/* [23:40] that is the problem [23:40] micahg: upgrade and restart FF [23:40] ah [23:40] is it karmic only? [23:40] yes [23:40] ah [23:40] that's why I can't see it;) [23:41] for alpha 3 [23:41] is ff shopping around the awesomebar search? [23:41] asac: it would have been time better spent , getting new stuff from NM 0.8 [23:45] micahg: yes, we changed searches everywhere to get data on the various search places. [23:47] disconnect [23:54] L{P is back [23:54] yay ;) ... let the bugs begin [23:54] ya ya [23:54] * BUGabundo opens apport [23:55] $ apport-cli -fp firefox-3.0 [23:55] ohhh he left [23:55] scared? [23:55] i am here [23:56] ohh [23:58] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/402767 [23:58] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/403246 [23:58] Ubuntu bug 402767 in firefox-3.5 "multisearch add on blocks the functionality of firefox location bar" [High,Triaged] [23:58] Ubuntu bug 403246 in firefox-3.0 "please restore old NEWTAB" [Undecided,New]