[06:49] <ikonia> hi kuru
[06:50] <kuru> oh this is where rejects get forwarded.. heh
[06:50] <ikonia> yes
[06:50] <ikonia> this is where the people who can't follow the channels guidelines are forwarded
[06:50] <kuru> I've always been happy to use Ubuntu, not only because it's a great distribution, but because the community didn't have an attitude about helping people.
[06:50] <kuru> This would be the first time I encounter someone who exhibits this arrogant view of what constitutes as relevant and irrelevant.
[06:51] <ikonia> that's great news, but however you did have an attitude so you can't be part of that community at this time
[06:51] <kuru> ikonia, you must come from a Debian background.. cause that sounds just like that.
[06:51] <ikonia> kuru: it's clear that you are not able to disscuss this at the moment hence why you also sent me pm's with "whatever" in them, so I'd request you come back in 24 hours if you wish to discuss your ban
[06:51] <kuru> An innocent question that could be relevant, as it would entail Ubuntu usage was dismissed.
[06:52] <ikonia> kuru: please come back in 24 hours 
[06:52] <kuru> heh
[06:53] <ikonia> kuru: if there is nothing else you need, I request you leave the channel and come back at a time when you can discuss the ban (assuming you want to) with a bit more objectivity
[06:54] <ikonia> !idle | kuru 
[06:55] <kuru> I believe I am being as objective and civil as possible. But, as you wish.
[09:06] <padd1>  /msg nickserv register <cirtap> <paddy.melon@hotmail.coml>           
[09:06] <padd1> oops
[09:06] <padd1> soz
[09:07]  * nalioth shakes his head . . .
[09:08] <Mamarok> didn't we just lift his ban?
[09:31] <ikonia> Mamarok: yes
[11:02] <ikonia> any suggestions on how to deal with emery, he's blindly pushing ./configure && make && make install to people
[11:03] <ikonia> I have a real problem with this being blindly pushed to people
[11:03] <ikonia> advice welcome
[11:11] <Flannel> in #u?
[11:12] <Flannel> ah, yes.
[11:12] <Flannel> Not cool.
[11:13] <ikonia> I don't think so 
[11:13] <ikonia> he seems to have clamed down, but I'm more unhappy about anyone blindly configure make make installing stuff as a suggestion
[11:14] <Flannel> Considering his first question to the channel is "whats the command to see how much free space I have" (df) yeah.
[11:14] <Flannel> especially because of that, that is.
[11:15] <ikonia> not good
[11:20] <ikonia> indus is becoming very annoying
[11:21] <Flannel> and is coming here!
[11:21] <ikonia> it's done
[11:21] <ikonia> he's been like this for over a day now and had a lot of slack cut
[11:22] <Flannel> Howdy indus.
[11:22] <indus> ok i need to be back in ubuntu 
[11:22] <indus> people need help ther
[11:22] <Flannel> indus: That's fine.  We need you to change your attitude in #ubuntu.
[11:22] <indus> ya and some ops do too dont they
[11:23] <indus> anyways, ill just shut up and be back thank you
[11:23] <Flannel> indus: Perhaps, but you should worry about yourself, let otherpeople worry about everyone else.
[11:23] <indus> why was i banned btw?
[11:24] <indus> and its in my nature to help others, why are you telling me to worry about myself and not others
[11:24] <indus> i didnt learn that from my parents , you did maybe
[11:24] <Flannel> You were forwarded here so we can discuss your behavior, as it's not conducive to support.
[11:24] <indus> i was banned because i challenged ikonia thats it
[11:25] <indus> i was never disrescpectful to any user ever
[11:25] <Flannel> That's not it.  But if that's what you choose to see, thats your prerogative.
[11:25] <indus> nor to any mod
[11:25] <indus> then tell me what is it
[11:25] <Flannel> I've been trying to.
[11:26] <Flannel> Even if we disregard your attitude, you've been causing unnecessary chatter.
[11:26] <indus> chatter?
[11:26] <Flannel> lines of text
[11:26] <indus> ya ill cut down on it
[11:27] <indus> can i please go back
[11:27] <indus> also, whom do i complain about the ops behaviour? who is higher up than you?
[11:27] <Flannel> !appeals
[11:27] <ikonia> whoaa
[11:27] <ikonia> indus: I'll explain why you where forwaded here
[11:28] <indus> ok i have been waiting
[11:28] <ikonia> sorry - I was just cleaning up some other things
[11:28] <indus> ikonia: ok i accept this apology 
[11:28] <indus> was wondering why you were not here to answer
[11:29] <indus> listen sir, if i made you angry iam sorry, but i need to be there cos i love helping others
[11:29] <ikonia> your advice in general while you have been in #ubuntu in general is a bit hit and miss, my first request was that you think about what you are asking people to do / try - and if you're not sure, best to not try 
[11:29] <indus> i dont want anything else to say
[11:29] <ikonia> that was point 1
[11:29] <ikonia> the second point was the random noise you make in the channel, you've been asked a few times to try to cut back on it, I made that request to you just a few minutes ago in channel 
[11:29] <ikonia> that's point 2
[11:30] <indus> ill cut back on the random noise
[11:30] <ikonia> the 3rd and final point was your attempt to provoke people - I explained why setting up a web server in ubuntu was NOT offtopic for the channel, and instead of ackowledging it, you tried to make a smart mouthed response back - more so after I'd just told you to stop being silly
[11:31] <ikonia> that attitude in uncceptable, and coupled with the other two points listed, got you forwaded here as I was unprepared to discuss it in the main channel
[11:31] <indus> ok 3rd point is more a  discussion i thought, but i guess it was wrong channel
[11:31] <ikonia> it's not a discussion
[11:31] <ikonia> you asked if it was offtopic
[11:31] <ikonia> I said no - and explained why
[11:31] <ikonia> you CHOSE to make a smart mouthed response to me
[11:31] <ikonia> you didn't ask for a discussion, you chose to try to be rude to me
[11:32] <indus> well, the user seems not experienced in setting up apache, and i thought you should have told him to read more on that first?
[11:32] <ikonia> after I'd just warned you a few lines above
[11:32] <indus> anyways iam sorry
[11:32] <ikonia> indus: I was telling him how to setup apache - as soon as the debugging we had gone through showed it was a web application and not a compiled application as you where blindly trying to get him to compiled (hence my point 1 about bad advice)
[11:32] <indus> ikonia: it was NOT ME who suggested that first 
[11:33] <ikonia> indus: you carried it on
[11:33] <ikonia> you blindly kept telling him to compile it
[11:33] <ikonia> but that was only point 1
[11:33] <ikonia> it was a combination of all 3 that have now got you on a temporary ban to think about how you behave and present data to the channel 
[11:33] <indus> i didnt keep telling him, i told him one time the steps to compile, it was the others who did that
[11:34] <indus> i told him generic steps
[11:34] <ikonia> exactly
[11:34] <indus> i infact asked him to see the read me
[11:34] <ikonia> blindly generic steps with no understand of what they did or how they would effect the system
[11:34] <indus> but since you took it up, i kept quiet 
[11:34] <ikonia> but as I said it was all 3 points - not 1
[11:35] <indus> i didnt take it up after you did
[11:35] <ikonia> no - you chose to tell me it was offtopicc 
[11:35] <ikonia> and then chose to make smart mouthed responses
[11:35] <indus> ya that i still believe , but ill let it go
[11:35] <ikonia> if you can explain how setting up apache on ubuntu from the repos is offtopic I'm willing to listen
[11:36] <indus> anyways , i want to tell you the first point you raised though
[11:36] <indus> there are many on the irc and in the forums who have hit and miss responses, and so do i , but as i keep saying, this is voluntary help and telling this to me is just plain rude
[11:37] <indus> i have helped a lot of people newbies here
[11:37] <ikonia> you've also given a lot of poor advice
[11:37] <ikonia> it's not a crime - hence why I told you to think about what you offer to people
[11:37] <indus> thanks sir for telling me
[11:38] <indus> whenever i give poor advice, people tell me why that is and i always read more on it and correct it
[11:38] <indus> so iam definitely offended by this 
[11:38] <indus> i will try not to help on things i dont know off
[11:38] <ikonia> I can't help that if you find that offensive
[11:38] <indus> but i will always google and give them links
[11:39] <indus> well, its offensive if you are human
[11:39] <ikonia> you're not listening - 3 points brough you to this channel - one of them was a request to think more about the advice you offer
[11:39] <Flannel> If you're not in a position to verify whether those  links are good info or not, just bow out from that support request.  Someone else will answer it.
[11:39] <indus> i have understood 1st advice
[11:40] <indus> i told you i will try not to help
[11:40] <indus> on matters which are not to my knowledge
[11:40] <ikonia> that's sensible, 
[11:40] <ikonia> no-one knows everything, and everyone makes mistakes, don't be afraid of making a mistake 
[11:40] <indus> i just dont understand why you people are so impolite
[11:40] <indus> or rude
[11:41] <indus> i even agree to 3rd poing
[11:41] <indus> t
[11:41] <indus> sorry
[11:41] <ikonia> indus: that's a poor statment coming from someone being removed from a channel for offering smart mouthed responses to polite converstation
[11:41] <ikonia> if you could explain how someone has been impoilte to you I'd be happy to clarify 
[11:41] <indus> well, nvm 
[11:42] <indus> this is an argument i can never win, i have seen how much different the irc policy is from the forums
[11:42] <indus> in your passion for perfection, you walk over  quite a few innocent users
[11:42] <ikonia> it's not a passion for perfection - as I've just said everyone makes mistakes
[11:43] <ikonia> however your smart mouth you can control - and that is your personal responsbility to control 
[11:43] <ikonia> as is your random chatter
[11:43] <indus> well,iam learning
[11:43] <indus> random chatter will continue ,just keeps things light and friendly, but ill cut it down
[11:43] <ikonia> everyone is, as I've said - everyone makes mistakes, and shouldn't be afraid of trying to help
[11:44] <ikonia> random chatter won't continue
[11:44] <ikonia> indus: you seem to be under the impression you make the channels policy 
[11:44] <indus> well, can i?
[11:44] <ikonia> no
[11:44] <indus> anyways, if you wish i will just stick to support
[11:44] <ikonia> that is what I requested 
[11:45] <ikonia> I suggest you take a few hours away from #ubuntu to think about what has been discussed in here then come back and we'll look at removing your ban
[11:45] <indus> i have thought about it 
[11:45] <ikonia> take a few hours
[11:45] <indus> i agree to all 3 points
[11:45] <ikonia> take a few hours
[11:45] <indus> please let me in
[11:46] <indus> why a few hours?
[11:46] <ikonia> Please take a few hours to properly digest the information that has been discussed in here and to make sure you are confident you can abide by what has been laid out
[11:46] <ikonia> indus: a few hours because I don't have confidence in what you're saying - I'd rather you took a few hours away to really think and understand what has been said as I think your just saying "yes" to anything to get back into the channel now
[11:47] <ikonia> I'm not talking days, just a few hours
[11:47] <indus> dont worry, iam not emotional or anything
[11:47] <ikonia> thats fine, a few hours won't hurt then
[11:47] <indus> i agree to the chatter yes
[11:47] <Flannel> indus: Are you aware of the IRC Guidelines?  Seems like it'd be a good document for you to read, if you're unaware of the IRC workflow/etc
[11:47] <indus> oh man
[11:47] <indus> ok bye
[11:48] <ikonia> thank you Flannel 
[11:48] <indus> aah cool
[11:48] <indus> auto redirection
[11:48] <indus> so when can i check again
[11:48] <ikonia> ahh you tried to ban evade
[11:48] <Flannel> indus: Are you aware of the IRC Guidelines?  Seems like it'd be a good document for you to read, if you're unaware of the IRC workflow/etc, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[11:48] <indus> evade? i just check whatmessage i get when i join
[11:48] <ikonia> ok
[11:48] <indus> iam quite new to irc
[11:49] <ikonia> ok
[11:49] <Flannel> indus: Take a gander at the guidelines and then let them sink in for a few hours, like was previously recommended.
[11:49] <indus> ok i have a question
[11:49] <indus> who selects the ubuntu ops?
[11:50] <ikonia> the operators team 
[11:50] <ikonia> and the irc council 
[11:50] <indus> are you all industry experts?
[11:50] <ikonia> no
[11:50] <ikonia> mixed levels and experience
[11:50] <ikonia> some very specialist in specific areas
[11:50] <ikonia> a good rounded group 
[11:51] <ikonia> (in my personal opinion I should say0 
[11:51] <ikonia> 0
[11:51] <ikonia> )
[11:51] <indus> ikonia: i have one thing to say> why didnt you ask me to discuss on ubuntu-ops instead of ban? i would have listened if you said, i would like to discuss your contribution or something
[11:51] <Flannel> Some of us are obviously still learning how to use the keyboard.
[11:52] <ikonia> indus: because you ignored what I said in the channel 
[11:52] <ikonia> and had a smart response for everything I said in the channel
[11:52] <indus> yes true
[11:54] <indus> why only a temp ban? 
[11:54] <indus> one rule in irc says , dont argue with the mods? is that correct?
[11:54] <indus> ubuntu irc i mean
[11:54] <ikonia> no, you're welcome to disscuss stuff
[11:55] <ikonia> it's only a temp ban as there is no reason to ban you perm - just explain the problem and let you resolve it
[11:55] <ikonia> the plan isn't to ban you and keep you out of the channel
[11:55] <ikonia> just to stop any problems in the channel
[11:56] <ikonia> indus: does that make sense /
[11:56] <ikonia> ?
[11:56] <ikonia> Flannel: yes it's clear I am tryig to learn the shift key)
[11:56] <indus> there is a lot to say, but i fear its a losing argument :)
[11:56] <indus> mod is god generally no?
[11:57] <ikonia> not at all
[11:57] <ikonia> everyone (myself included) makes mistakes and nothing is set in stone
[11:57] <indus> do ops take advice from users ever?
[11:57] <ikonia> indus: if something is bothering you or you feel it's wrong, there is no problem discussing it, as long as it is a discussion and not smart mouth responses
[11:57] <ikonia> indus: all the time
[11:58] <bazhang> constantly
[11:58] <indus> i thought ubuntu irc was a community thing unlike other rooms
[11:58] <gnomefreak> ignore the above
[11:58] <ikonia> gnomefreak: done
[11:58] <gnomefreak> im trying to remember how alias works
[11:58] <indus> why is it that the forums are much friendlier in tone than the irc?
[11:58] <Flannel> !ff35 =~ s/-3.5/-3.5 and firefox-3.5-gnome-support/
[11:58] <ikonia> indus: irc is "fast and flowing" and while it is friendly can seem a little more "two the point" 
[11:59] <ikonia> indus: eg: things like chatting in the room makes it harder people just wanting support to follow and ask questions in 
[11:59] <gnomefreak> ikonia: thanks
[11:59] <ikonia> indus: hence why the topic is support discussion only
[11:59] <indus> hmm is this the right place to discuss the 3 points you raised i wonder
[11:59] <ikonia> you're welcome to discuss it and others are around also to give opinions/comment so you won't get a one sided view point from myself
[11:59] <indus> ya
[12:00] <indus> so start from 3rd again
[12:00] <ikonia> bazhang: and Flannel are around and I think gnomefreak is around, so if they are not busy they may be able to offer an opinion also 
[12:00] <gnomefreak> im here 
[12:00] <Flannel> gnomefreak: I got the ff35 thing done
[12:00] <indus> when me or some other user starts random chatter , mods advice to stick to the point, and i believe we all listen
[12:00] <bazhang> cosmicchaos is banned in +1 only?
[12:00] <gnomefreak> Flannel: thanks
[12:00] <ikonia> bazhang: yes
[12:00] <bazhang> ikonia, thanks
[12:01]  * gnomefreak cant remember how to log into bot (i am already but asac isnt)
[12:01] <gnomefreak> ikonia: ok scrolling
[12:02] <bazhang> gnomefreak, @login
[12:02] <ikonia> indus: yup, that sound about right
[12:02] <ikonia> indus: most people listen when asked to keep to the topic
[12:03] <gnomefreak> ok i came in late i really dont see anything that this is about
[12:03] <ikonia> gnomefreak: ahhh yes, you did join well past
[12:03] <bazhang> what an appropriate ident
[12:03] <Flannel> +1
[12:04] <gnomefreak> if you give me 5-10 minutes i will be here for a while.
[12:05]  * Flannel was going to give him a little more rope to hang himself with.
[12:05] <ikonia> I'll deal with it in pm 
[12:05] <ikonia> rather than let it continue
[12:05] <indus> سخق
[12:05] <ikonia> ?
[12:05] <indus> sorry laptop over heat
[12:06] <ikonia> no problem
[12:06] <indus> and some font issue
[12:06] <indus> did u get my last message? what was it?
[12:06] <ikonia> is there anything you need from us or want to discuss more ?
[12:06] <indus> of course, i wanted to state some points better/ or offer some advice if thats ok
[12:07] <ikonia> you're welcome to discuss it, sure
[12:08] <indus> ill start from 3rd point> 3.Random chatter - yes i do it and many other do, well thats why mods are there anyways  to warn or advice to stop it,and i and others iam sure always do cut it down and get back to point
[12:09] <indus> 1st point i agree anyway, better not to advice than give bad advice
[12:09] <indus> 2nd point i keep forgetting
[12:11] <ikonia> the second point was the random chatter, the 3rd point was your smart mouth comments
[12:11] <indus> you should use better choice of words instead of telling some one whose only intention is to help. Telling me your advice is mostly hit and miss is equivalent to telling me,my contributiion is of no significance
[12:11] <indus> i dont claim to be an expert do i
[12:12] <ikonia> i didn't say any of that
[12:12] <indus> so that is why it s rude and uncalled for
[12:12] <indus> huh what?
[12:12] <ikonia> I asked you to think about the advice you give out as it can some times be miss-leading/wrong
[12:12] <indus> sorry man, you explicitly also stated that point
[12:12] <ikonia> and I never said anything about your contribution being of no significance
[12:12] <indus> what you said with hit and miss is as good as saying that
[12:13] <ikonia> and I also complained about your smart mouth attitude
[12:13] <ikonia> no it's not
[12:13] <ikonia> it's saying your advice can sometimes be wrong and miss-leading, please think about it before you give it out
[12:13] <bazhang> indus, trying to help you out/ guide you is not rude.
[12:13] <ikonia> that's nothing to do with your contirbution being poor
[12:13] <ikonia> your attitude/smart mouth - is poor and I'll make no attempt to hide that
[12:13] <indus> let me search for chat history ,stay right ther
[12:13] <ikonia> fantastic, log quoting
[12:14] <ikonia> just what's needed to take a discussion forward
[12:14] <bazhang> indus, there really is no need to drag this out.
[12:14] <indus> so when you feel you dont want to agree, you say iam dragging it
[12:14] <indus> nvm now
[12:14] <ikonia> not at all
[12:14] <ikonia> get your logs
[12:14] <indus> ill try check in a few hours 
[12:14] <ikonia> no no
[12:14] <ikonia> do it now
[12:14] <indus> its ok 
[12:14] <ikonia> I'll get the lgos for you
[12:15] <bazhang> indus, no that is not my point at all.
[12:15] <ikonia> hang on 
[12:15] <ikonia> !logs
[12:15] <indus> bye ,enjoy reading the logs
[12:15] <indus> ill check back after a few hours
[12:15] <bazhang> indus, people point out others' errors all the time, including those in this channel
[12:15] <ikonia> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/07/22/%23ubuntu-ops.html
[12:15] <gnomefreak> thats not really helping you. differetn ops will send you to banner
[12:15] <ikonia> there ou go - there is the logs
[12:16] <gnomefreak> unless banner is here and others know what is going on
[12:16] <ikonia> indus: that's the log of this channel, please show me where I said your contirbution is insignficant 
[12:16] <indus> ikonia you will not understand my point because you dont want to
[12:16] <indus> leave it
[12:17] <indus> chck for hit and miss in the logs
[12:17] <indus> bye
[12:17] <ikonia> your advice is hit and miss
[12:17] <bazhang> indus, others have seen the behaviour as well
[12:17] <ikonia> sometimes you get it right, other times you don't
[12:17] <indus> thanks again for pointing that out again
[12:17] <ikonia> as I said in the lgos - it's not a crime, it's a request to think more abou tit
[12:17] <ikonia> why are you thanking us for it - then calling us for telling you about it ?
[12:17] <indus> i will appeal against this , even if its a temp ban
[12:17] <gnomefreak> s/abou tit/about it
[12:18] <indus> and i expect you not to gang up
[12:18] <ikonia> ????
[12:18] <indus> if i tell you, the irc guidelines can be a little more relaxed, will you listen? no
[12:18] <ikonia> no-one is ganging up - your logic doesn't make sense
[12:18] <gnomefreak> indus: im not even caught up but i will help you if someone catches me up
[12:19] <Flannel> indus: You havent told us that though.  You were going to give us suggestions, but you then proceeded to discuss your ban.
[12:19] <ikonia> you are complaining that you where called out on 3 things, one of them was giving out hit and miss advice
[12:19] <ikonia> you then thank us for doing this
[12:19] <ikonia> how can you thank us for something your complaining about ?
[12:19] <indus> Flannel: gnomefreak, why dont you guys take a moment (or afew hours) to think about this and we can discuss this later
[12:19] <indus> ikonia: and you
[12:19] <ikonia> ahh the smart mouth is back
[12:20] <indus> sorry missed
[12:20] <ikonia> indus: ok - your ban is now a day 
[12:20] <indus> :)
[12:20] <ikonia> come back tommorow, and I'll think it through some more as you suggested
[12:20] <indus> see this is what i am saying, why only the users,why not the ops too?
[12:20] <ikonia> we'll discuss it tommorow, 
[12:20] <ikonia> indus: I'm following your suggestion
[12:20] <ikonia> indus: I'll take a day to think it through 
[12:20] <ikonia> lets discuss it then, 
[12:20] <gnomefreak> indus: i cant think about it. not sure what im thinking about
[12:21] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops indus stupid attitude, trys to be clever, hit and miss advice, offtopic chatter
[12:21] <Flannel> gnomefreak: "it"  think about "it"
[12:21] <gnomefreak> "it" is the issue that i came in late to
[12:21] <Flannel> also, ubottu is broken.  Fix it.
[12:21] <Flannel> there's that "it" again.
[12:21] <gnomefreak> lol fix it
[12:21] <ikonia> super slow 
[12:22] <topyli> think about fixing it
[12:22] <Flannel> ikonia: not slow, reset by peer.
[12:22] <gnomefreak> Flannel: it loged on out a rest too much non sence
[12:22] <ikonia> oh yes, it went
[12:22] <bazhang> heh
[12:22] <Flannel> and packages is down too, sigh.
[12:24] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops indus stupid attitude, trys to be clever, hit and miss advice, offtopic chatter
[12:25] <Flannel> false start!
[12:27] <elky> is someone fuffing with it?
[12:28] <gnomefreak> elky: i edited it but someone used it after me
[12:28] <ikonia> indus: how can we help now
[12:29] <ikonia> !idle  | indus 
[12:29] <Flannel> ikonia: That won't work!
[12:29] <ikonia> I've just seen 
[12:30] <ikonia> it's gone again
[12:30] <ikonia> I'm not sharp today
[12:30] <Flannel> indus: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only; we ask you to part when you have no further business here in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries.
[12:30] <ikonia> indus: #ubuntu-ops has a non-idle policy, if there is nothing you need from us, we request that you leave the channel and come back in 24 hours when we will re-dicuss your ban 
[12:32] <ikonia> can someone remove indus please
[12:32] <ikonia> elky: ^
[12:33] <elky> indus, is there something i can help you with?
[12:34] <tsimpson> bot's on it's way
[12:34] <gnomefreak> tsimpson: thanks
[12:34] <elky> indus, if you're not responsive, please do not idle here.
[12:36] <gnomefreak> asac branch has been pushed 
[12:36] <gnomefreak> damn
[12:36] <ikonia>  gnomefreak do you need irc help today /
[12:36] <ikonia> ?
[12:36] <ikonia> I need shift key help as you can see
[12:36]  * Flannel doesn't want to find out what he needs help with.
[12:36] <Flannel> !away > imlad-away 
[12:37] <gnomefreak> ikonia: yeah too many channels
[12:38] <indus> خخحس
[12:38] <indus> oops sorry
[12:38] <indus> auto join
[12:51] <ikonia> for the log - indus now pm'ing me to be let back in - I have requested additional conversation in here because of the accusations of being rude being made
[12:52] <indus> ok 
[12:52] <indus> dont mean to anger anyone 
[12:52] <ikonia> indus: the 24 hours is not up, please revisit this channel in 24 hours  - at your request, we'll take 24 hours to review the situation
[12:52] <indus> i agree to abide by all the channel rules
[12:52] <ikonia> indus: that time has now passed
[12:53] <ikonia> please revisit the channel in 24 hours where we will review your ban
[12:53] <indus> what do you mean review?
[12:53] <ikonia> indus: and your request did not anger anyone, I just requested it in here for clarify 
[12:53] <ikonia> clarifty
[12:53] <ikonia> indus: we'll review lifting your ban in 24 hours after time to think about the discussion in this channel has sunk in 
[12:53] <indus> can you make it back to a few hours ?
[12:53] <ikonia> no
[12:54] <indus> ok nvm
[12:54] <ikonia> 24 hours
[12:54] <indus> ill check back later
[12:54] <ikonia> that was a result of your smart mouth again
[12:54] <ikonia> no
[12:54] <ikonia> check back in 24 hours 
[12:54] <indus> i hope i win this one
[12:55] <ikonia> there is nothing to win
[12:55] <Flannel> indus: what do you mean win?  this isn't "us vs you", no one's trying to "win"
[12:55] <ikonia> you either chose to accept the channels guidelines and adjust your attitude, or you don't
[12:55] <ikonia> it's up to you
[12:55] <indus> i dont have any attitude,if you feel that way through what i write iam sorry
[12:55] <ikonia> if you don't have an attitude - why did you agree you did earlier ?
[12:56]  * Pici reads scrollback
[12:56] <ikonia> ahh pici
[12:56] <indus> well, have to agree with the mods on something ,i thought thats how it always works
[12:56] <ikonia> no
[12:56] <ikonia> but that does follow that I thought you where just agreeing to get back in 
[12:57] <indus> yes its true, because for me that is more important, helping others and not fighting with ops
[12:58] <ikonia> well, come back in 24 hours and we'll review it then as agreed
[12:58] <indus> as long as i dont disturb anyone , i think the ops should be fine with it?
[12:58] <ikonia> well, lets look at it in 24 hours
[12:59] <indus> ok i want to clarify, i have stated what i wanted to, i expect the ban to be lifted
[12:59] <ikonia> you can expect what you want, the ban will be reviewd in 24 hours
[12:59] <indus> why cant you use a little friendlier tone?
[12:59] <ikonia> I am now being blunt as this can't be said any more times in any nicer way
[12:59] <gnomefreak> indus: if you come back in 24 hours we/someone will talk to you about it. that is all we are saying. coming back beofre than wont help 
[13:00] <indus> ok gnomefreak thanks
[13:00] <ikonia> indus: because you are still here asking the same thing over and over again, and you keep coming back and repeating the same thing
[13:00] <ikonia> that is why I am being blunt and to the point
[13:00] <gnomefreak> sorry the bickering got to me (his)
[13:00] <ikonia> no no - thank you
[13:00] <gnomefreak> ;)
[13:01] <ikonia> I was being short to try to end it and move it to tommorow
[13:01] <gnomefreak> ikonia: you were fine it was his having to hear it again and again 
[13:02] <ikonia> Pici: his advice from yesterday continued today, coupled with a new smart mouth attitude
[13:03] <Pici> ikonia: whew, just finished reading all that scrollback.
[13:03] <ikonia> Pici: ahhh you where reading the lot
[13:03] <ikonia> Pici: as you said yesterday his heart is in the right place, but his implimentation is shocking
[13:03] <ikonia> not trying to ban him long term, 
[13:04] <ikonia> hello bernardlychan 
[13:04] <bernardlychan> sorry
[13:04] <bernardlychan> im going
[13:04] <ikonia> no need to apologise
[13:05] <Pici> er, okay then
[13:05] <ikonia> bt comments explain it all :)
[13:05] <Pici> I shall read them then ;)
[13:05] <ikonia> Pici: you will end up reading war and peace today
[13:06] <Pici> Oye.
[13:08] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu bernardlychan ban evading as he said he would
[13:08] <Pici> probably need to relogin to the bot
[13:08] <ikonia> @login
[13:08] <Pici> ooo
[13:08] <Pici> @login
[13:08] <ikonia> ???
[13:08] <ikonia> I think you'll find it's fine ubottu 
[13:08] <jrib> not sure how that's related to ubuntu but will let -it handle it...
[13:09] <ikonia> jrib: slick
[13:09] <ikonia> @login
[13:09] <Pici> I just turned off my auto-translate thing for #ubuntu... 
[13:09] <Pici> jrib: What was it about?
[13:09] <ikonia> tsimpson: any idea why my login doesn't work ?
[13:10] <jrib> Pici: I don't know italian but I'm pretty sure "sangue" is blood
[13:10] <tsimpson> something odd is going on with the bot...
[13:11] <paddy_melon> lol
[13:11] <jrib> how do I download san valentino blood  -- I guess it makes sense now Pici 
[13:12] <tsimpson> @login
[13:12] <tsimpson> ...
[13:12] <Pici> I was able to login ;)
[13:12] <ikonia> phew not just me
[13:12] <ikonia> Pici: you're special, clearly
[13:12] <Pici> ikonia: Oh, I know
[13:12] <Pici> ikonia: My mom told me the same thing
[13:13] <Pici> jrib: Its a movie. My Bloody Valentine aparrently.
[13:15] <bazhang> * [ShrimP] (n=idiot@pool-162-84-37-88.sal.east.verizon.net): I.P Daily  wonder if that is shorTie from earlier
[13:15] <elky> depends, was he also an idiot?
[13:15] <tsimpson> bot is going down for maintenance
[13:15] <bazhang> he is now telling people to 'emerge'
[13:16] <paddy_melon> lol
[13:16] <ikonia> bazhang: its' a known trouble marker
[13:16] <paddy_melon> hacker took bot?
[13:16] <ikonia> bazhang: was nick ShorTie banned
[13:17] <bazhang> ikonia, seems to have been
[13:17] <Pici> paddy_melon: Is there something we can help you with here?
[13:17] <jrib>  n=idiot@pool-72-66-129-60.slsbmd.east.verizon.net was shortie 
[13:18] <Pici> shortie pm-ed me earlier... I was /away though.
[13:18] <Seeker`> bernardlychan: how can we help you?
[13:18] <ikonia> Pici: check the log I posted to you
[13:20] <Pici> Its the same guy then, same ident, same realname.
[13:20] <paddy_melon> lol
[13:20] <Pici> Same attitude.
[13:20] <ikonia> he's gone
[13:20] <ikonia> Pici: how can we help 
[13:20] <ikonia> Pici: sorry
[13:20] <Pici> paddy_melon: This is not a 'hang-out' channel, is there something we can help you with?
[13:20] <ikonia> paddy_melon: how can we help
[13:21] <paddy_melon> he was scare of u
[13:21] <topyli> paddy_melon: anything specific you would like you to do for you?
[13:21] <ikonia> bernardlychan: how can we help ?
[13:21] <topyli> us, even :)
[13:21] <paddy_melon> lol
[13:21] <bernardlychan> ?
[13:21] <paddy_melon> k, bernie wants u to look at the ban
[13:22] <ikonia> bernardlychan: why are you here ?
[13:22] <Pici> paddy_melon: Why are you here?
[13:22] <ikonia> paddy_melon: then please leave the channel we can discuss it with bernie
[13:22] <paddy_melon> moral support
[13:22] <paddy_melon> for bernie
[13:22] <ikonia> paddy_melon: it's not needed, please leave
[13:22] <bernardlychan> lol thx
[13:22] <paddy_melon> sorry
[13:23] <jrib> ikonia: expect a pm from shrimp
[13:23] <ikonia> already had one
[13:23] <ikonia> ignored it
[13:23] <elky> ikonia, abusive?
[13:23] <ikonia> elky: see log
[13:24] <ikonia> bernardlychan: so what's the problem ?
[13:25] <ikonia> paddy_melon: what do you want ?
[13:25] <ikonia> paddy_melon: or are you just messing around again ?
[13:25] <ikonia> lets cut to the chase now as this is getting old
[13:25] <paddy_melon> sorry
[13:25] <paddy_melon> apparently
[13:25] <ikonia> what do you want
[13:25] <paddy_melon> this involves me now..
[13:26] <bernardlychan> we dont want to annoy u
[13:26] <ikonia> paddy_melon: what do you want
[13:26] <paddy_melon> im just looking
[13:26] <ikonia> bernardlychan: please hang on a moment, while I sort paddy_melon issue
[13:26] <paddy_melon> k
[13:26] <ikonia> paddy_melon: what part of " you are not needed in this channel" is not clear
[13:26] <ikonia> paddy_melon: you have been asked and then told this is not your issue
[13:26] <paddy_melon> sorry
[13:26] <ikonia> what part is not clear? 
[13:26] <paddy_melon> i was told that we were
[13:27] <ikonia> you where told what by whom ?
[13:27] <paddy_melon> being seperated
[13:27] <paddy_melon> so... i thought id get a voice
[13:27] <ikonia> paddy_melon: that is not your issue - you have no ban in place and you have no issue in here - so unless you have something that involved you - please leave the channel
[13:27] <paddy_melon> but
[13:27] <paddy_melon> bernies ban is my ban
[13:27] <ikonia> bernardlychan: ok - what's the problem ?
[13:28] <gnomefreak> is it just me or has everyone lost thier damn mind today
[13:28] <ikonia> gnomefreak: not you
[13:28] <gnomefreak> good
[13:28] <topyli> i lost mine two days ago already
[13:28] <elky> gnomefreak, i think there's solar flares, or a full moon, or some damn thing this week.
[13:28] <bernardlychan> eclipse wasnt it?
[13:28] <ikonia> bernardlychan: ok - what's the issue you need help with  ?
[13:28] <elky> bernardlychan, yep
[13:29] <bernardlychan> um can we pleez talk my ban thru step by step without arguing?
[13:29] <ikonia> bernardlychan: no - I'm sorry you ban will be reviewed on the date I told you it would be, and you ban evaded as you said you would so until that date - it will not be discussed futher
[13:30] <ikonia> bernardlychan: if you push it i can take it to freenode staff about you ban evading as you warned us (logged) you would
[13:30] <ikonia> choice is yours
[13:30] <ikonia> sorry to be blunt but you and paddy's silly games are getting old now, lets stop messing around and get with the program 
[13:31] <bernardlychan> sigh. i guess thats a no. and theyre not games. i just got angry at paddy once and it led to this... anywayz, wish i could talk to another op
[13:31] <ikonia> please talk to one of the others in this channel then
[13:31] <indus> hi wher can i get the irc logs?
[13:31] <bernardlychan> ok
[13:31] <ikonia> !logs | indus 
[13:31] <Seeker`> bernardlychan: I cant be bothered to type it out againso
[13:31] <Seeker`> what ikonia just said
[13:32] <bernardlychan> hi indus!!!
[13:32] <bazhang> bernardlychan, there really is nothing more to say
[13:32] <ikonia> bernardlychan: this is not a chat chanenl
[13:32] <indus> hey how are you
[13:32] <Pici> indus: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[13:32] <ikonia> indus: this is not a chat channel either
[13:32] <ikonia> Pici: thank you
[13:32] <bernardlychan> ok. bye, pm indus
[13:32] <indus> bernardlychan: if you have made your point you should leave
[13:32] <ikonia> indus: leave the channel please
[13:32] <ikonia> indus: this is nothign to do with you
[13:32] <bazhang> full solar eclipse
[13:33] <Seeker`> and lunar
[13:33] <Seeker`> at the same time
[13:33] <bazhang> whoa
[13:33] <gnomefreak> who broke the bot this time?
[13:33] <ikonia> indus is building a case no doubt to explain how I told him his contributions with pointless and all that jzz
[13:33] <ikonia> jazz
[13:34] <bazhang> selective doctoring of logs
[13:34] <Pici> gnomefreak: its down for 'maintenance' AKA 'trying to figure out what the heck is wrong with it'
[13:34] <jpds> Right, this time I was at lunch.
[13:34] <ikonia> bazhang: nah, I don't think that
[13:34] <ikonia> bazhang: just reads into things what he wants
[13:34] <bazhang> ikonia, yep
[13:34] <Pici> bazhang: heh, we'll get the logs back and the timestamps will be all out of order ;)
[13:34] <gnomefreak> Pici: thanks
[13:35] <bazhang> Pici, +1
[13:35] <indus> sorry, please give me link to irc rules and appeals process
[13:35] <indus> thank you
[13:35] <gnomefreak> !rules
[13:35] <gnomefreak> oh yeah no bot
[13:35] <bazhang> !nobot
[13:35] <Pici> :P
[13:35] <gnomefreak> bazhang: lol
[13:35] <ikonia> hang on I'll grab them from the wiki
[13:35] <bazhang> :)
[13:35] <Pici> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/AppealProcess
[13:35] <Pici> 08:34:43 <bazhang> ikonia, yep
[13:35] <Pici> er
[13:35] <Pici> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[13:35] <gnomefreak> mihgt want to run coc by him too just in case
[13:36] <Pici> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
[13:36] <indus> i already read coc
[13:36] <indus> thanks
[13:36] <ikonia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/AppealProcess
[13:36] <Pici> I keep forgetting that Windows doesnt copy and paste like Linux does.
[13:36] <ikonia> Pici: make that mistake all the time
[13:36] <ikonia> indus: anything else ?
[13:36] <indus> do all of you live in same country?
[13:37] <gnomefreak> indus: no
[13:37] <Pici> No.
[13:37] <indus> hmm all of you friends?
[13:37]  * gnomefreak has to ask: why does where we live matter?  sorry had to
[13:37] <indus> ok nvm
[13:37] <indus> thanks
[13:37] <bazhang> indus, is this related to your ban?
[13:37] <bernardlychan> hey do any of u guys know when jpds is online? hes always away.
[13:38] <indus> well,hopefully it will be lifted,but i want irc to be better with some suggestions from me
[13:38] <ikonia> bernardlychan: it doesn't matter
[13:38] <ikonia> bernardlychan: it's asked others to deal with it as you keep missing him
[13:38] <ikonia> bernardlychan: now is there anything else you need before the agreed time ?
[13:38] <bernardlychan> it? o is it a bot?
[13:38] <indus> ok bye for now, i might have more questions, hope someone doesnt mind answering
[13:38] <ikonia> sorry - typo
[13:38] <ikonia> "he"
[13:39] <bernardlychan> ok
[13:39] <bernardlychan> np
[13:39] <Pici> rebanned shrimp, looking for a better banmask now.
[13:39] <ikonia> he is a real person, that was my bad typing, apologies to jpds
[13:39] <indus> i have a small story> is it ok to tell that here
[13:39] <ikonia> indus: is it related to your ban ?
[13:39] <ikonia> bernardlychan: anything else needed ?
[13:39] <indus> ya its an analogy
[13:39] <ikonia> indus: probably best not
[13:39] <bernardlychan> lol ikonia  ill use that aganst use next time x)
[13:39] <indus> what about off topic then
[13:39] <ikonia> bernardlychan: ok - 
[13:40] <ikonia> indus: please dont discuss your bans in -offtopic
[13:40] <bernardlychan> cya. o can paddymelon come in here and have a look at the mods for a min?
[13:40] <indus> hmm well, its an iteresting anology , it will help you understand my case better
[13:40] <indus> i want to be prepared for my hearing tomorrow
[13:40] <ikonia> there is nothing to understand 
[13:41] <ikonia> you can chose to follow the guidlines set out to you and change your attitude, or not
[13:41] <ikonia> it's that simple
[13:41] <ikonia> there is nothing that is not clear
[13:41] <ikonia> indus: please come back in 24 hours as instructed as this constant returning is only hilighting you cannot follow instructions further
[13:41] <tsimpson> bernardlychan: a list is available from /msg ChanServ FLAGS #ubuntu 
[13:41] <bernardlychan> ok
[13:42] <indus> i prefer speaking to another op tomorrow then, not you
[13:42] <ikonia> bernardlychan: he has no reason to look at the mods
[13:42] <ikonia> indus: that's unfortunate, others are listening and watching so you are others will be available, 
[13:42] <tsimpson> bernardlychan: er, actually /msg ChanServ access #ubuntu list
[13:42] <ikonia> bernardlychan: if there is nothing else, please leave the channel 
[13:42] <gnomefreak> indus: that can be arrranged but please come back in 24 hours 
[13:42] <indus> gnomefreak: ok thank you
[13:43] <ShrimP> so we aload to talk in here?
[13:43] <bernardlychan> thx tsimpson 
[13:43] <bazhang> ShrimP, about your bans?
[13:43] <bernardlychan> cya good ol mods
[13:43] <ShrimP> ya
[13:43] <gnomefreak> ok for record thats 2 times if i have to ask again can someone please add extra 24 hours to ban
[13:43] <gnomefreak> not sure who banned him or why
[13:43] <tsimpson> @whoami
[13:44] <ShrimP> you guys like ban's?
[13:44] <bazhang> ShrimP, you are aware of why you were banned?
[13:45] <indus> oops, sorry diddnt get the logs
[13:45] <indus> please someone
[13:46] <ShrimP> i forget, been thru so much, could you pleaze refresh my memory since my channel window was rudely closed on me?
[13:46] <ikonia> it wasn't rudely closed on you
[13:46] <ikonia> I told you it was being closed until you could stop swearing at me
[13:46] <ShrimP> what gives you the right to do that?
[13:46] <indus> gnomefreak: hi sir, i would like logs
[13:46] <ikonia> the right to not accept abusive private messages
[13:47] <jpds> @btlogin
[13:47] <ikonia> paddy_melon: what now ?
[13:47] <bazhang> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ indus 
[13:47] <Pici> indus:  http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[13:47] <paddy_melon> sorry
[13:47] <paddy_melon> just checking list
[13:47] <ikonia> paddy_melon: ok - bye then
[13:47] <indus> bazhang: Pici thank you
[13:47] <ShrimP> that's pm between you and me that YOU started ikonia
[13:47] <elky> paddy_melon, you can do that without joining here.
[13:47] <ikonia> ShrimP: yes, to explain why you where banned
[13:48] <gnomefreak> inlogs to what?
[13:48] <ShrimP> and you never did say what i said so BAD to get banned
[13:48] <bazhang> paddy_melon, bernardlychan is not here; please part the channel
[13:48] <ikonia> ShrimP: the others have seen the log - so please don't play dumb, it was explained to you in great detail
[13:48] <ShrimP> and i can't l00k back!
[13:48] <paddy_melon> no sorry
[13:48] <ikonia> paddy_melon: no ?
[13:48] <paddy_melon> looking at
[13:48] <ikonia> can someone remove this two please
[13:48] <ShrimP> our log?
[13:49] <ikonia> elky: Pici 
[13:49] <paddy_melon> ops list
[13:49] <paddy_melon> bye
[13:49] <ikonia> paddy_melon: you don't need to be in the channel
[13:49] <gnomefreak> !logs
[13:49] <gnomefreak> ShrimP: those are official logs
[13:49] <gnomefreak> feel free to review them
[13:49] <bazhang> first as shorTie, then as ShrimP 
[13:49] <ShrimP> sure whick 1?
[13:50] <ikonia> ShrimP: you where banned for being offtopic
[13:50] <ikonia> and rejoining straight back into offtopic
[13:50] <ShrimP> you messed up my ShorTie nick, so my other kicks in
[13:50] <ikonia> you where banned so this could be talked about
[13:50] <ikonia> you where very abusive and silly in the private message so the ban was not lifted
[13:50] <ikonia> there is your summary 
[13:50] <ShrimP> that is your summary
[13:51] <ikonia> yes, that is my summary 
[13:51] <ShrimP> so what log i'm i l00k at anyways?
[13:51] <ikonia> I can post the private message log for you
[13:51] <ikonia> so you can review your behaviour
[13:51] <bazhang> ShrimP, telling people to 'emerge' in an Ubuntu channel
[13:52] <ShrimP> going by YOUR wiki
[13:52] <ShrimP> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[13:52] <ikonia> ttp://pastebin.ubuntu.com/224285/
[13:52] <ikonia> there is your log
[13:52] <ShrimP> All the #ubuntu channels are visited by people whose ages vary, and whose tolerances of language and subject choice vary equally as much. Please be considerate of everyone and keep all the #ubuntu channels friendly places for everyone. #ubuntu (and #kubuntu) is really busy and we prefer it to be kept for support only
[13:52] <ShrimP> it say prefer doesn't?
[13:53] <ikonia> play as dumb as you like
[13:53] <bazhang> ShrimP, did you have a point?
[13:53] <ShrimP> that is my personal log with you ikonia
[13:53] <ikonia> yes
[13:54] <ShrimP> ya, if ikonia had NOT been so rude to me this wouldn't of happened
[13:54] <ShrimP> i want to see the in channel log!
[13:54] <bazhang> ShrimP, you started out by saying the #ubuntu was a worthless channel
[13:54] <ikonia> I think you need to re-read the log again
[13:54] <bazhang> ShrimP, as shorTie
[13:55] <bazhang> ShrimP, you were asked to stop, continued, and were removed
[13:55] <ShrimP> i see you get as much help in here as in the main channel
[13:55] <ShrimP> just a bunch of run around
[13:55] <Pici> jpds: For the record, you just unbanned bernardlychan, right?
[13:55] <bazhang> ShrimP, then no need for you to join if that is how you feel
[13:55] <ShrimP> that was all in pm, not channel!
[13:56] <indus> hi can any other op look at my case and unban me
[13:56] <jpds> Pici: Yes.
[13:56] <ikonia> indus: what part of 24 hours was not made clear to you ?
[13:56] <bazhang> indus, please return at the prescribed time
[13:56] <ShrimP> indus they are ban happy
[13:56] <indus> isnt this denying me the right to get or give help
[13:57] <ShrimP> yes it does
[13:57] <bazhang> seems gnome freak said to add 24 if he kept it up
[13:57] <ikonia> indus: yes, it is 
[13:57]  * gnomefreak not ban happy but im getting to that point soon
[13:57] <indus> ikonia: isnt that against the philosophy of ubuntu then
[13:57] <ikonia> indus: no
[13:57] <ShrimP> Laughs Out Loud
[13:57] <elky> indus, you're not endearing any of us to you with your pestilence.
[13:58] <bazhang> indus, you are making this worse for yourself
[13:58] <gnomefreak> .:08:43:44:. <      gnomefreak+> ok for record thats 2 times if i have to ask  again can someone please add extra 24 hours to  ban
[13:58] <gnomefreak> is that clear enough?
[13:58] <elky> gnomefreak, indeed. he clearly is incapable of listening and respecting rules
[13:58] <indus> ok il leave
[13:58] <ShrimP> you guys got sticks so far up your a$$'s it's funny
[13:59] <ikonia> can someone put an end to this evident troll
[13:59] <bazhang> ShrimP, please exit the channel
[13:59] <ShrimP> why what i'm i doing now?
[13:59] <gnomefreak> ShrimP: dont push your luck. you continue to bug us and talk to us like that your ban will be longer
[14:00] <ShrimP> i guess i'll get banned?
[14:00] <gnomefreak> tsimpson: thanks for the bot work :)
[14:00] <ikonia> tsimpson: ta
[14:01] <gnomefreak> ShrimP: if you dont plan on stopping than most likely if you can obey the rules and talk to us like people than you have a chance
[14:02] <ShrimP> you guys seem to have the attitude
[14:02] <tsimpson> I had to regenerate the user list, so things may not be 100%. let me know if anything isn't working
[14:02] <jpds> tsimpson: Would you be interested in a Nagios like thing for the bots? http://spooky.ubuntuwire.com/~jpds/bots.png
[14:02] <ShrimP> i'd love to sit in the channel to observe and learn
[14:02] <gnomefreak> ShrimP: if you listened the first 6 or so times i would have been alot nicer
[14:03] <gnomefreak> ShrimP: there is a no idle policy 
[14:03] <ShrimP> 6 or so times were?
[14:03] <indus> hi there
[14:03] <gnomefreak> indus: what?
[14:03] <ikonia> +25 hours
[14:03] <ikonia> 24
[14:03] <tsimpson> jpds: the issue wasn't with the bot not running, but supybot messed up the user database
[14:03]  * gnomefreak goes for smoke before i lose it
[14:03] <ShrimP> not fare to bring pm's that YOU started into this
[14:04] <ikonia> ShrimP: you asked for the log
[14:04] <jpds> tsimpson: startNewTopic()
[14:04] <ShrimP> channel log
[14:04] <ikonia> indus: what do you need/want ?
[14:04] <indus> 1 sec
[14:04] <ShrimP> not out personal log, butt wipe
[14:04] <ikonia> ShrimP: you where given the link to channel log
[14:04] <ikonia> can someone remove this time waster now
[14:05] <ikonia> he's only here to get a rise
[14:05] <ShrimP> i asked whgich 1?
[14:05] <bazhang> ShrimP, stop with the language
[14:05] <ShrimP> i asked which 1?
[14:05] <bazhang> ShrimP, please exit as you are not trying to resolve this
[14:05] <ShrimP> yes i am
[14:06] <ShrimP> i would like to see in the channel log what i said so bad to start this!
[14:06] <ikonia> ShrimP: you've been asked to stop being abusive and stop using bad language - you can't stop doing that, so you won't get unbanned
[14:06] <bazhang> ShrimP, you were wildly offtopic, asked to stop removed, then ban evaded with this nick and banned again
[14:06] <ikonia> ShrimP: if you want to resolve it, stop using the language/attitude
[14:07] <ShrimP> so what log from here i'm i suppose to l00k at pleaze, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/2009/07/22/
[14:07] <ikonia> ShrimP: go to #ubuntu's log for today's date
[14:07] <bazhang> @login
[14:08] <ShrimP> so now i'm being told to go somewhere else?
[14:08] <ShrimP> what a run around for a simple question
[14:09] <ikonia> ShrimP: you have the info
[14:09] <ikonia> stop with this runnign and hiding nonsense
[14:09] <ikonia> you have the info in your hands
[14:10] <Pici> That url is for the loco logs.
[14:10] <ikonia> was it ?
[14:10] <ikonia> so it was, my mistake
[14:10] <ikonia> thank you pici
[14:10] <Pici> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/07/22/%23ubuntu.html
[14:10] <ikonia> apologies, that was my mistake for not checking that
[14:11] <gnomefreak> ShrimP: feel free to come back in 24 hours to talk about this. it gives everyone time to cool down and im my case get work done
[14:11] <ShrimP> Thankz .... :) Pici
[14:11] <ShrimP> some1 with out a attitude that helps
[14:11] <elky> ugh, stop with the colours.
[14:12] <tsimpson> can someone set +c
[14:12] <gnomefreak> ShrimP: you are not helping our "attitudes" i have beennice up until a few minutes ago
[14:12] <Pici> arg
[14:12] <ikonia> ShrimP: that was %100 my mistake for not spotting the mistake in the url, my apologies
[14:12] <gnomefreak> oh now he tells me
[14:12] <ShrimP> ok, thankz for the appology
[14:13] <gnomefreak> ShrimP: sorry i didnt know it was his mistake. i dont have a browser atm so i cant review logs
[14:13] <ikonia> 48 hours
[14:14] <ShrimP> so see, you jumped on the ban wagon without even knowing, now who's got the attitudes?
[14:14] <gnomefreak> ok indus is really not helping
[14:14] <elky> ShrimP, you do right now.
[14:14] <ShrimP> l00king to see where i got up and started talking
[14:14] <elky> gnomefreak, i might lock him out for a bit, he might learn to stop this harrassing. it's not fair on others here talking to us
[14:14] <gnomefreak> ShrimP: i dont have one, at least not towards you on purpose at least
[14:14] <gnomefreak> elky: i was thinking same thing
[14:15] <gnomefreak> elky: 48 hours sounds good
[14:15] <ShrimP> i know gnomefreak, you just jumpped in on ikonia's
[14:15] <elky> gnomefreak, is that when he's due for review?
[14:15] <ikonia> change indus forward to a straight ban
[14:15] <gnomefreak> elky: yes
[14:15] <elky> ikonia, oh, he's fwd'd?
[14:16] <elky> gnomefreak, you have access here, yes?
[14:16] <ikonia> elky: yes, that was my ban
[14:16] <ShrimP> lets see ikonia pm started at 7:05, so it must be earlier than that right?
[14:16] <ikonia> elky: I change to a forward to sort out to let him straight back in , but well, you can read the logs, so i've put a straight ban in place
[14:16] <ikonia> ShrimP: that's UK time stamps
[14:17] <ShrimP> so what time i'm i l00k at then?
[14:17] <gnomefreak> ShrimP: i knew i was getting an attitude that is why i went for a smoke
[14:17] <tsimpson> what is "l zero zero k"?
[14:18] <ShrimP> maybe this be easier in notepad2, lol.
[14:20] <ShrimP> don't even see anything in there
[14:21] <ikonia> 12:01
[14:21] <ikonia> look from 12:01
[14:22] <ikonia> I can past the relevant bits if you want
[14:22] <ikonia> will that make it easier for you ?
[14:22] <ShrimP> that is like all from yesterday
[14:22] <ikonia> no - thats today
[14:22] <ikonia> a few hours ago
[14:24] <ShrimP> lets see 1st post from ShrimP, 12:58 ShrimP so what all are we aload to talk about here?
[14:24] <ikonia> yes, that is because you where dodging your ban
[14:24] <ikonia> a.) you knew what the topic was  I explained it in pm b.) you where doding the ban by changing your nick
[14:25] <ShrimP> i didn't change my nick, everyone knows me by those
[14:26] <ikonia> you where banned as one nick - you changed your nick and rejoned
[14:26] <ikonia> that's ban dodging
[14:26] <ikonia> inetntionally or not, so I removed you again
[14:27] <ShrimP> so i still can't find what i said so bad
[14:28] <ikonia> ShrimP: read the logs again
[14:28] <ikonia> abusivbe, offtopic offensive,
[14:28] <Pici> Going on about Gentoo, continueing to ask the same question after it had been answered.
[14:28] <ikonia> then ban dodged
[14:29] <ShrimP> i see with all your attitude ikonia, this is being useless
[14:29] <ShrimP> what ? is that Pici?
[14:30] <Pici> ShrimP: That is a summary of your activity in #ubuntu
[14:30] <ShrimP> and some1 else talked about gentoo also, so are they banned?
[14:35] <ikonia> the bot is responding slow again, apologies
[14:35] <ikonia> !coc
[14:39] <ShrimP> i see this going nowhere, cause you think your shit don't stink ikonia
[14:39] <ikonia> unbelievable
[14:39] <Pici> !appeals
[14:40] <ShrimP> that will be all you guys, what good would that do?
[14:42] <Pici> The IRC Council is not necessarily made up of the same people speaking to you now
[14:42] <ShrimP> still comes down to, in my opion, you guys don't want to help, just give a bunch of run around answers
[14:43] <ikonia> ShrimP: if you could explain how you telling ubuntu channel uses to "fu" and continuing to be offtopic is thinking "my shit don't stink" as I cannot understand how you think my actions got you banned
[14:43] <ikonia> you only have yourself to blame for your bans and your attitude in here shows it wheere everyone is trying to be actually polite and helpful to you
[14:44] <ikonia> I suggest you go away now and decide how you want to proceed as this is going nowhere
[14:44] <ShrimP> reading you wki it say's, #ubuntu (and #kubuntu) is really busy and we prefer it to be kept for support only.
[14:45] <ShrimP> guess that means no opions?
[14:45] <tsimpson> it means you should respect that when asked to
[14:45] <tsimpson> you were asked to, and decided not to
[14:46] <bazhang> very politely
[14:46] <ShrimP> maybe cause of the badgering by ikonia in my pm that he started?
[14:46] <Pricey> ShrimP: I do not see any ontopic (support related) chatter from you in #ubuntu since you joined. You will not be allowed back in at this time.
[14:46] <ShrimP> so he's right and i'm wrong
[14:46] <Pricey> I do not see merit in debating this further.
[14:46] <bazhang> thanks Pricey
[14:47] <ikonia> thank you
[14:47] <Pricey> 'debating'..
[14:47] <ikonia> the lgos of the pm are in this channel, there was no badgering - he was just offensive
[14:47] <ikonia> he was givne multiple options to have the ban lifted and responded with abuse, or randomness
[14:48] <bazhang> he was offensive long before any PM
[14:48] <Pricey>  /lastlog ShrimP in #ubuntu, there is nothing of worth in there that I can see. Lets move on.
[14:48] <Pici> _1
[14:48] <bazhang> aye
[14:48] <Pici> er, +1
[14:48] <bazhang> hehe
[15:13] <gnomefreak> what if we changed the word "prefer" to something less general and still polite (dont have one im thinking of atm)
[15:14] <gnomefreak> since he fixated on that word
[15:14] <ikonia> he's just nuts
[15:14] <ikonia> if you fixate on that - then you're never going to get it
[15:14] <ikonia> if you can't enter the spirit of it, your missing the point
[15:14] <gnomefreak> good point
[15:25] <Mamarok> why is ShrimP still in here?
[15:26] <ikonia> I thought he'd been removed
[15:26] <ikonia> I thought Pricey did
[15:26] <Mamarok> nope, still in the names list
[15:26] <ikonia> I see him too
[15:26] <Pici> hes muted.
[15:26] <ikonia> ah
[15:26] <ikonia> I thought he'd removed him
[15:26] <ikonia> I guess he can be unmuted to see if he wants to discuss it properly, or leave
[15:27] <ikonia> as leaving him sat there isn't the best way
[15:27] <ikonia> that works too
[15:28] <Gary> timesinks ftl
[15:28] <ikonia> ha ha
[15:28] <Pici> It has been bad today.
[15:29] <Pici> 10:28:34 <?ShrimP> that was rude
[15:29]  * Pici palms
[15:30] <ikonia> ha ha ha, I shouldn't laugh, but I've got nothing else left
[15:44] <Pici> 10:43:53 <?nick-raden> [Pici]: I wanted something for me Brazilian run botnets
[15:44] <Pici> What is wrong with people today?
[15:44] <ikonia> no idea
[16:19]  * topyli likes geeks: http://wondermark.com/529/
[16:20] <topyli> whut
[16:48] <Pici> !test > pici
[16:55] <jrib> trolly sounds like shortie/shrimpie...
[16:57] <Pici> trolly has been in #ubuntu before
[18:37] <stew> i tried talking with IMGHelp privately and it didn't go very well.  he claimed someone else had control of his computer but then continued to insult me several times
[18:37] <Pici> You must be psychic, I was just going to ask about him
[18:39] <bugfly> quit
[18:40] <Pici> stew: He said you were pathetic right before you joined the channel.
[18:41] <stew> aha :)
[19:11] <Flannel> !away > eurythmia
[19:21] <Flannel> eurythmia: The initial away factoid was a reminder to turn it off.  I didn't ban you, I didn't remove you.  I sent you a reminder/notification of policy.
[19:22] <eurythmia> Flannel, and, I'm sure I'm not the only one who would feel this way, but I took it as "you! you're doing something wrong, stop it!"
[19:22] <eurythmia> I think that factoids should only be applied when there is 1)a need for information or 2)sufficient reason to believe something is not being done right.
[19:22] <Flannel> eurythmia: Had it been an automated away message, you *would* be doing something wrong.
[19:22] <Pricey> insert a 'please' in there... and that's about right
[19:23] <eurythmia> Pricey, duly noted.
[19:23] <Pricey> (haven't read the actual #ubuntu log, but that's about the purpose of hte !away factoid last time I checked. /away works perfectly well)
[19:24] <eurythmia> I am aware of that ... but single instances realy aren't disruptions ... a gentle reminder should only be used if it becomes obvious that automated noise is being used, and then take steps from there.
[19:25] <eurythmia> s/realy/really
[19:26] <Pricey> If you consider something is 'wrong', mentioning it to them after one incident is probably preferable to after the second, third time?
[19:29] <eurythmia> I can see how this is about to get really subjective ... I think it all depends on the severity of the "wrong" action ... but I suppose any further discussion won't clarify anything else, so it'd probably be a good time for me to drop it, and apologize for being a nuisance.
[19:31] <Flannel> eurythmia: I mentioned it to you (well, ubottu did) outside of the channel, in a private manner.  If I had to wait until the second time, I'd potentially be doing it as you were away, instead of as you were back, which experience shows has a much lower chance of making a difference.
[19:32] <Flannel> So, it'd end up being the *third* line sent to the channel before anything gets done about it.  As opposed to just handling it early, in a discrete manner.  I didn't make you feel bad publically about it, I didn't tell everyone that you're a horrible person.  I honestly don't see how this is as big of a deal as you're making it out to be.
[19:32] <eurythmia> Flannel, I understand.
[22:26] <ikonia> Cripps: hi, do you need anything ?
[22:50] <ikonia> !idle | Cripps