| * rickspencer3 is watching eeepc connect to his wireless network | 00:03 | |
| === asac__ is now known as asac | ||
| rickspencer3 | hmmpgh | 00:04 |
|---|---|---|
| rickspencer3 | didn't work :( | 00:04 |
| rickspencer3 | oh well | 00:07 |
| rickspencer3 | I guess the networking plasman can't connect to wireless networks :( | 00:07 |
| dtchen | it has trouble with WPA/2 networks | 00:08 |
| dtchen | has worked fine in my uses for unenciphered and WEP | 00:08 |
| rickspencer3 | well, my network is hidden | 00:09 |
| rickspencer3 | but not encrypted | 00:09 |
| * rickspencer3 tries 3g broadband | 00:09 | |
| rickspencer3 | hmm taking a long time | 00:12 |
| rickspencer3 | connects in seconds with NM | 00:12 |
| rickspencer3 | :( | 00:13 |
| Quintasan | It's just me or tty consoles are unreadable? | 00:13 |
| Riddell | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KarmicKoala/Alpha3/Kubuntu updated | 00:30 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: depends on the luck of the graphics drivers | 00:30 |
| Quintasan | :/ | 00:30 |
| Quintasan | Radeon 9550 is definitely not best piece of hardware | 00:31 |
| === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler | ||
| === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler | ||
| === heHATEme is now known as they | ||
| shtylman | Riddell: is there a better kpackage kit image? | 01:02 |
| shtylman | you know...one that doesn't show how broken it is... :) | 01:02 |
| ScottK | rickspencer3: For wireless netbook will work exactly as well or not as Kubuntu desktop which isn't so great at the moment. | 01:04 |
| rickspencer3 | SCottK: thanks | 01:04 |
| rickspencer3 | yeah, it's not working too well for me | 01:04 |
| rickspencer3 | the desktop looks very nice though! | 01:04 |
| rickspencer3 | the series of plasma widgets that appeared when I click on the the network widget thing didn't quite fit, but close | 01:05 |
| === they is now known as vorian | ||
| === Pici` is now known as Pici | ||
| * shtylman cries that new installer couldn't be in alpha3 ... :) | 01:40 | |
| JontheEchidna | We'll hit 'em totally off-guard with teh blingz for alpha4 though >:) | 01:57 |
| nixternal | ScottK: did that stuff get sponsored that needed to be, the stuff you talked about earlier? | 02:41 |
| ScottK | nixternal: I don't think it got done before Quintasan_ went and crashed. | 03:03 |
| * ScottK would like it if manual partitioning installs would work. | 03:05 | |
| claydoh | ScottK: Is there a concise statement as to why we are including arora, and having it the default browser? I am having trouble describing why we have it | 03:42 |
| ScottK | claydoh: Konqueror is not compatible with many popular web sites. Most of our users also install Firefox. Arora is a very snappy webkit based browser that we are considering for our default browser in order to try to provide a default web browser that more of our users will find satisfactory. | 03:44 |
| ScottK | claydoh: How's that? | 03:44 |
| claydoh | ScottK: awesomeness | 03:45 |
| === bdefreese2 is now known as bddebian | ||
| ScottK | nixternal: How's ISO testing going? | 04:32 |
| ScottK | It'd be great if someone could do the entire disk install test for netbook .... | 04:44 |
| * ScottK does entire disk .... | 05:06 | |
| === santiago-pgsql is now known as santiago-ve | ||
| === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening | ||
| === Trouble is now known as Trouble` | ||
| === Trouble` is now known as Trouble- | ||
| === apachelogger is now known as birthdaylogger | ||
| Trouble | Happy Birthday apachelogger! | 08:55 |
| * birthdaylogger hugs Trouble | 08:55 | |
| birthdaylogger | thanks :) | 08:56 |
| * birthdaylogger puts a plate with cookies on the virtual channel table | 08:56 | |
| Trouble | I couldn't fail to notice your subtle hint :-p | 08:56 |
| * birthdaylogger is always very subtle :P | 08:59 | |
| birthdaylogger | JontheEchidna: may I say that the wiki page is indeed quite biased | 09:00 |
| birthdaylogger | "Tooltip for chanel topic | Yes | No" ... you forgot to added the vice versa option "Chanel topic dragable | No | Yes" | 09:01 |
| birthdaylogger | and "Mark channel as default from context menu | Yes | No" <=> "Hide channel without parting | No | Yes" | 09:02 |
| birthdaylogger | reads like you were pulling out features out of your nouse to make the list appear complete :P | 09:03 |
| === ejat is now known as e-jat | ||
| === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan | ||
| === emonkey-t is now known as emonkey | ||
| CIA-31 | Kubuntu: apachelogger * r8 kubuntu-netbook-default-settings/ (debian/changelog share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc): Re-add folderview applet to the desktop (LP: #402878) | 09:44 |
| birthdaylogger | ScottK: you know, it would be helpful if you pushed 9.10.1 | 09:46 |
| Quintasan | kubotu: order cookies and vodka for birthdaylogger | 09:49 |
| * kubotu slides cookies and vodka down the bar to birthdaylogger | 09:49 | |
| Quintasan | :3 | 09:49 |
| birthdaylogger | ScottK: I find it kinda funny how you dont trust my judgment on which settings I applied :P | 09:56 |
| birthdaylogger | Quintasan: uhh, what a combo :D | 09:56 |
| CIA-31 | Kubuntu: apachelogger * r9 kubuntu-netbook-default-settings/ (3 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) | 09:59 |
| CIA-31 | Kubuntu: * Remove plasmarc (only carries a list of widgets for the applet browser) | 09:59 |
| CIA-31 | Kubuntu: * Drop all added settings (in 9.10.1) from kdeglobals, since they get cascaded | 09:59 |
| CIA-31 | Kubuntu: from kubuntu-default-settings | 09:59 |
| CIA-31 | Kubuntu: * Additional updates integrated from Tonio Mercatante's k-n-d-s package | 09:59 |
| CIA-31 | Kubuntu: - Added more settings to share/config/kdeglobals, WM active font slightly | 09:59 |
| CIA-31 | Kubuntu: smaller | 10:00 |
| neversfelde | birthdaylogger: Happy birthday | 10:27 |
| ScottK | Happy birthday birthdaylogger. | 10:36 |
| * ScottK doesn't recall not trusting and 9.10.1 for knds is already in the archive. | 10:36 | |
| ScottK | After the freeze is over we can upload your settings improvements. | 10:37 |
| birthdaylogger | neversfelde, ScottK: thx | 11:11 |
| Riddell | birthdaylogger: wasn't it Nightrose's birthday just the other day, you trying to catch up with her? :) | 11:22 |
| Riddell | agateau: what's a good gnome app to install to test the cross desktop notifications? | 11:25 |
| Riddell | pidgin doesn't seem to work | 11:32 |
| * Riddell high fives vorian and nhandler | 11:32 | |
| === word is now known as word_ | ||
| === word_ is now known as word | ||
| agateau | Riddell: you probably need the pidgin-libnotify plugin | 12:50 |
| agateau | Riddell: you can also try nm-applet (handy when the networkmanager plasmoid does not work) | 12:51 |
| neversfelde | i386 desktop cd from yesterday worked fine for a real install on my desktop | 12:51 |
| agateau | Riddell: gnome-power-manager is nice as well (but powerdevil works fine) | 12:52 |
| agateau | Riddell: there's also notify-send, but I don't think it really qualify as an application :) | 12:53 |
| ryanakca | Riddell, rgreening: What sizes did you want for the action items? KDE ships 128x128 and 64x64 sized icons. I could make the masthead banner a bit taller if you'd rather, then the icons (128x128) won't look so big. | 12:53 |
| === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin | ||
| Riddell | agateau: ooh it works | 13:06 |
| agateau | Riddell: party! \o/ | 13:06 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: resize to 100? | 13:06 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: Sure. | 13:07 |
| * nhandler high fives Riddell back (a little late) | 13:27 | |
| birthdaylogger | agateau: hai, when is the new yokadi to be expected? | 14:02 |
| * birthdaylogger finds the discussion about quassel vs. konvi rather ridiculous | 14:04 | |
| * birthdaylogger grabs coffee | 14:04 | |
| Riddell | anyone mind if I delete gutsy kubuntu ports release? | 14:07 |
| agateau | birthdaylogger: given our unpredictable release schedule, not too soon :) | 14:08 |
| agateau | birthdaylogger: but hopefully faster than 0.10.0 | 14:08 |
| sebas | KDE settings are still stored in ~/.kde4, not ~/.kde, right? | 14:19 |
| JontheEchidna | nope, went back to ~/.kde in Kubuntu 8.10 | 14:20 |
| sebas | thanks, you just saved me wrong backups | 14:21 |
| JontheEchidna | kmail might still being using it (for some weird reason it did for me), so it wouldn't hurt to backup both | 14:24 |
| JontheEchidna | or at least check | 14:24 |
| jussio1 | Just wanted to pop up an say +1 to apachelogger on the quaasel issue. Oh and greets from a yacht in lake saimaa :) | 14:26 |
| vorian | lake obama! | 14:28 |
| vorian | quassel rules too | 14:28 |
| JontheEchidna | konvi rules harder >:D | 14:28 |
| vorian | all irc cliens are inferior to irssi however | 14:28 |
| vorian | kovi blows chunks | 14:29 |
| vorian | it makes me want to toss my cookies | 14:29 |
| JontheEchidna | S: | 14:29 |
| JontheEchidna | *D: | 14:29 |
| vorian | :P | 14:29 |
| jussio1 | Haha | 14:29 |
| vorian | seriously, irssi should be default. screw the newbies | 14:29 |
| vorian | it will save a ton of space too | 14:30 |
| * jussio1 hurts vorian | 14:30 | |
| vorian | heh | 14:30 |
| vorian | i am un hurtable! | 14:30 |
| vorian | :P | 14:30 |
| jussio1 | Rofl | 14:30 |
| JontheEchidna | I do forsee great backlash from the users if Konversation doesn't get default'd now that it's available | 14:31 |
| === vorian is now known as rofl | ||
| rofl | why? | 14:32 |
| rofl | art thou a prophet? | 14:32 |
| JontheEchidna | people like konversation more than they like quassel | 14:32 |
| * jussio1 disagrees, but since when did my opinion count... | 14:32 | |
| JontheEchidna | plus a lot of people whined about quassel as soon as they got dumped in #kubunu when 9.04 was released | 14:33 |
| rofl | JontheEchidna: but it's as easy as doing 'apt-get install koversation' | 14:33 |
| rofl | who cares if it's not default? | 14:33 |
| rofl | i don't think it's that big of a deal | 14:33 |
| JontheEchidna | but it's as easy as doing 'apt-get install quassel' | 14:33 |
| jussio1 | JontheEchidna: Normal reaction when theres something new | 14:33 |
| JontheEchidna | who cares if it's not default? | 14:33 |
| rofl | besides, i am the approver of the blueprint! | 14:33 |
| JontheEchidna | nobody uses it's killer feature by default anyways | 14:34 |
| jussio1 | JontheEchidna: Exactly, quassel rocks for the newbies | 14:34 |
| sebas | I think konvi is more "end-user ready" | 14:34 |
| JontheEchidna | No, it's more like "exactly, so there's no reason to use it by default since nobody uses it's greatest feature by default anyways" | 14:34 |
| === rofl is now known as vorian | ||
| sebas | though I personally use quassel, not konvi | 14:34 |
| JontheEchidna | sebas: thank you, I was beginning to feel very alone | 14:34 |
| JontheEchidna | ;.; | 14:35 |
| sebas | killer feature being the core/client stuff | 14:35 |
| JontheEchidna | correct | 14:35 |
| sebas | For a default install as simple IRC client, konvi is the better option | 14:35 |
| vorian | bill gates would choose konvi too | 14:36 |
| vorian | just sayin' | 14:36 |
| JontheEchidna | It should be noted that people who know what client/core stuff is should generally have the know-how to set up an IRC bouncer that would work with any client too | 14:36 |
| tsimpson | it may be an idea to let konvi mature for a while before including it by default | 14:36 |
| JontheEchidna | konversation has been maturing for 5 years! | 14:36 |
| tsimpson | not the KDE4 version, no | 14:37 |
| JontheEchidna | it's already in better shape stability wise and feature wise than the latest stable version | 14:37 |
| tsimpson | it still has (at least partially) a new codebase | 14:38 |
| sebas | quassel, too :) | 14:38 |
| sebas | But then fully :) | 14:38 |
| tsimpson | I would like to see it released and more debugged before we reinstate it | 14:38 |
| sebas | konvi isn't released yet as KDE4 version? | 14:38 |
| tsimpson | I want konvi back, but I also want it to work :) | 14:38 |
| * JontheEchidna would like do direct tsimpson to the massive changelog the alphas have | 14:39 | |
| jussio1 | tsimpson: +1 | 14:39 |
| sebas | Ah, it's not even in beta. | 14:39 |
| tsimpson | sebas: alpha-4 | 14:39 |
| sebas | Don't release konvi then, stick to quassel | 14:39 |
| JontheEchidna | it's alpha in name only | 14:39 |
| sebas | and thereby respect the developers | 14:39 |
| tsimpson | JontheEchidna: I know, I see the commits in the channel :) | 14:39 |
| tsimpson | that's why I would like to see it mature some | 14:39 |
| JontheEchidna | sebas: the developers are all for it being default | 14:39 |
| sebas | if they say alpha, it means they don't feel confident about it, so it shouldn't be shipped | 14:39 |
| sebas | JontheEchidna: an alpha? | 14:40 |
| JontheEchidna | no, they say alpha because they still want one or two more features in before they release | 14:40 |
| sebas | then let them do that | 14:40 |
| jussio1 | JontheEchidna: You make assertions, but i still havent seen data to back them up. Ie. Its more stable than quassel | 14:40 |
| JontheEchidna | jussio1: I never said that | 14:40 |
| tsimpson | I *do* want konversation to be default, at some date. but I would like a larger user-base to use/test it before it becomes default | 14:41 |
| jussio1 | JontheEchidna: You did, read up a little | 14:41 |
| tsimpson | many users see "alpha" and say "no thanks" | 14:41 |
| JontheEchidna | [09:37:08] <JontheEchidna> it's already in better shape stability wise and feature wise than the latest stable version <- was referring to konversation alone here | 14:41 |
| jussio1 | Ok then. | 14:42 |
| jussio1 | Wasnt so clear | 14:42 |
| * tsimpson also feels the same way about arora, but that's a little different | 14:42 | |
| * vorian weighs in on the ml | 14:43 | |
| seele | Riddell: ok, so according to aaron there isn't a maintainer for kickoff and he doesnt know how the suborg got submitted | 14:44 |
| seele | he says submit a patch to review board | 14:44 |
| jussio1 | This iphone is really slow to type on. | 14:45 |
| seele | he also asks what "other" patches we've been submitting to kickoff, and so you should submit the patches we've been maintaining too | 14:45 |
| vorian | jussio1: you should try iSSH | 14:45 |
| vorian | then again, you'd have to run irssi | 14:46 |
| jussio1 | vorian: Doesnt help with the typing speed | 14:46 |
| tsimpson | is anyone else getting annoyed with people putting 'i' in front of something and thinking it's "cool"? probably just me :p | 14:47 |
| jussio1 | vorian: I have an irssi client ruuning, but this is still nicer | 14:47 |
| vorian | lies | 14:47 |
| * jussio1 waves to jussi01_ the irssi client... | 14:47 | |
| vorian | itsimpson: iwhat iare iyou italking iabout? | 14:47 |
| vorian | :P | 14:47 |
| jussio1 | :p | 14:48 |
| tsimpson | iHate | 14:48 |
| jussio1 | Haha | 14:48 |
| vorian | you jailbreaker! | 14:49 |
| * vorian runs off and tells stevejobs | 14:50 | |
| jussio1 | vorian: Meh ill beat steve with my ninja stars made from old windows cd's.. | 14:51 |
| vorian | ouch | 14:51 |
| jussio1 | Anyway, time to go | 14:52 |
| jussio1 | Time to go cook some dinner. Bye all | 14:53 |
| seele | ARGH.. the auto partition in jaunty didn't create a separate home folder? | 14:58 |
| yuriy | nope, ubiquity never did | 14:58 |
| seele | damnit! | 14:59 |
| seele | why not? | 14:59 |
| yuriy | i guess they don't want to be responsible for the calculation, or consider it somehow too advanced/confusing for new users. I think it'd be nice if it did | 15:00 |
| seele | that's like the #1 feature most useful for recovery and upgrading | 15:01 |
| seele | we don't have any backup/archiving tools | 15:02 |
| === olujicz_ is now known as olujicz | ||
| birthdaylogger | agateau: I'll push the current gpl3-only version to the archives then... btw, are you in touch with the debian dood who contributed the manpages? | 15:18 |
| * birthdaylogger thinks that he could use the ubuntu packaging as base | 15:19 | |
| agateau | birthdaylogger: ok, the Debian guy is in the list of people I mailed about the license change | 15:20 |
| agateau | birthdaylogger: I don't know him, he is the friend of a friend of a friend :) | 15:20 |
| birthdaylogger | agateau: ok, I'll poke him myself then :) | 15:21 |
| ryanakca | Happy birthday birthdaylogger | 15:33 |
| birthdaylogger | thx ryanakca :) | 15:33 |
| ryanakca | birthdaylogger: It looks like the FSF has something similar to Canonical's contributor agreement, see http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/gnulib.git/tree/doc/Copyright/conditions.text?h=origin | 15:34 |
| birthdaylogger | not as weird though :P | 15:35 |
| birthdaylogger | anyway | 15:35 |
| birthdaylogger | neversfelde: did you read the agreement yet? | 15:35 |
| neversfelde | birthdaylogger: I read it, but nothing more. I will need a few days | 15:36 |
| birthdaylogger | sure | 15:36 |
| ryanakca | birthdaylogger: http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/gnulib.git/tree/doc/Copyright/assign.changes.manual?h=origin is the assignment paper | 15:37 |
| birthdaylogger | Riddell: today is your archive admin day, isn't it? ... if so, please take a look at yokadi in NEW | 15:40 |
| neversfelde | oh, I need a second advocate for bilbo http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/bilbo | 15:42 |
| Riddell | birthdaylogger: it's not but I can do since you ask so nicely | 15:43 |
| birthdaylogger | :) | 15:43 |
| * birthdaylogger hugs Riddell | 15:43 | |
| birthdaylogger | my menu cleanup is going pretty nicely | 15:45 |
| birthdaylogger | kcm-gtk is to be pushed post-alpha3 | 15:45 |
| * agateau hugs birthdaylogger for the packaging :) | 15:45 | |
| birthdaylogger | internet mess is reverted for 4.3 | 15:45 |
| birthdaylogger | so I just need to get rid of akonadiconsole somehow | 15:45 |
| birthdaylogger | ScottK: about that last point ... kevin does have a point when he says that akondiconsole is most useful when it comes to debugging akonadi | 15:46 |
| birthdaylogger | so, I was thinking, instead of messing with the packaging... maybe we should just change the category from development to something else | 15:46 |
| birthdaylogger | like system | 15:46 |
| birthdaylogger | or just hide it completely ;-) | 15:47 |
| Riddell | or put it in kdepim-dev | 15:47 |
| birthdaylogger | Riddell: it is in kdepim-runtime ... so it would need to go to kdepim-runtime-dev | 15:47 |
| birthdaylogger | which is also a PITA because we would need much more verbose .install files | 15:47 |
| birthdaylogger | hm | 15:49 |
| birthdaylogger | why is superkaramba in the default install | 15:49 |
| Riddell | good question | 15:50 |
| birthdaylogger | oh | 15:50 |
| birthdaylogger | Riddell: it is part of the scriptengine-superkaramba package | 15:50 |
| * birthdaylogger is wondering if we need that scriptengine by default | 15:51 | |
| Riddell | nope | 15:51 |
| * birthdaylogger thinks ScottK will be kind enough to kick it then :) | 15:52 | |
| maco | is your nick a hint that i should i say "happy birthday harald"? | 16:01 |
| birthdaylogger | a subtle one maybe ;-) | 16:02 |
| maco | ok. happy birthday harald! | 16:02 |
| birthdaylogger | thx maco | 16:02 |
| birthdaylogger | Riddell: something makes imagemagick-doc end up on the ISO :| | 16:02 |
| Riddell | birthdaylogger: germinate output will know all | 16:03 |
| Riddell | birthdaylogger: yokadi accepted, bilbo advocated with commant | 16:03 |
| Riddell | comment | 16:03 |
| birthdaylogger | Riddell: thx^3 | 16:03 |
| birthdaylogger | now, if only the nm widget was able to connect :D | 16:04 |
| maco | birthdaylogger: youre reminding me it's almost my mom's birthday and i dont know what to get her | 16:04 |
| neversfelde | Riddell: games in ninjas and bzr, we should be complete now | 16:04 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: rocking, I'll upload to karmic | 16:04 |
| * maco must stop eating the delicious addictive ginger snap cookies | 16:06 | |
| birthdaylogger | Riddell: konq-plugins recommends imagemagick, that recommends -doc | 16:14 |
| birthdaylogger | so I suppose imagemagick should suggest -doc rather than recommend | 16:14 |
| Riddell | i agree | 16:16 |
| birthdaylogger | packagekit contains some gtk stuff making it depend on gtk | 16:18 |
| Riddell | http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-karmic-alpha-3 ta da | 16:22 |
| Riddell | birthdaylogger: ug | 16:22 |
| birthdaylogger | imagemagick fix uploaded | 16:25 |
| rgreening | ryanakca: can you throw up a sample with 64x64 Icons and make the banner fit around that? Maybe have banner 72px high (give 4px spaceing above and below 64px high icon). Let's have a look at that and see... | 16:28 |
| birthdaylogger | Riddell: did I already mention that speedcrunch is _a lot_ bigger than kcalc? 2.5 vs. 0.5 (installed) | 16:37 |
| Riddell | it's also lot better :) | 16:39 |
| birthdaylogger | that is arguable :P | 16:40 |
| * birthdaylogger thinks krunner owns them all anyway :P | 16:40 | |
| JontheEchidna | krunner fails with decimal addition/subtraction | 16:41 |
| birthdaylogger | still? | 16:41 |
| birthdaylogger | that bug is like OLD | 16:41 |
| JontheEchidna | yes, still | 16:41 |
| JontheEchidna | bug 344706 | 16:42 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 344706 in kdebase "Substraction gives erroneous result" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/344706 | 16:42 |
| JontheEchidna | happy b-day btw | 16:43 |
| === word is now known as palabra | ||
| lex79 | birthdaylogger: happy birthday :) | 16:56 |
| === palabra is now known as word | ||
| seele | oh, just noticed aaron replied to everyone, not just plasma | 16:59 |
| seele | cool | 16:59 |
| maco | Riddell: you rmemebered the bzr add this time, right? | 17:00 |
| Riddell | maco: for which? | 17:13 |
| maco | Riddell: remember yesterday? ~kubuntu-members, didnt bzr add the patch... before sending it to actual repo, you added it, right? | 17:14 |
| Riddell | I added a patch | 17:14 |
| Riddell | in one of the kdebases | 17:14 |
| seele | is there a bug in launchpad about kickoff? or is that just something we've discussed internally? | 17:16 |
| * seele thinks it should be marked as a papercut... | 17:16 | |
| Riddell | seele: about which part of kickoff? (I suspect there isn't) | 17:17 |
| seele | the menu organization | 17:21 |
| seele | should also submit a bug about having to maintain patches for the descriptions and alignment | 17:21 |
| seele | aaron indicated in his email he doesnt remember those patches, and so that menu org, and the design suggestions should be resubmitted to reviewboard | 17:21 |
| * ryanakca grumbles at sudo constantly seg faulting | 17:26 | |
| Zorael | does alpha 3 include 4.3 rc2 or rc1? (it just says 'rc') | 17:51 |
| Zorael | Hum, doh, the link links to rc3. Nevermind. | 17:52 |
| maco | what's the protocol for making a branch to fix a bug and then doing a merge request? do we put UNRELEASED or -proposed in the release version in debian/changelog? | 18:08 |
| === emonkey-t is now known as emonkey | ||
| MacSlow | Greetings everybody! | 18:15 |
| MacSlow | Can someone do me a favour and chase this http://paste.ubuntu.com/227948 through gcc, run it and paste the output here? Thanks in advance! | 18:16 |
| MacSlow | Yo, where are all the hackers? :) | 18:19 |
| rickspencer3 | MacSlow: you need that done by someone running Kwin? | 18:20 |
| MacSlow | rickspencer3, yeah... it's easier paste the code and ask here... than for me to pull kwin and dependencies via my "super fast" DSL-connection | 18:21 |
| rickspencer3 | right | 18:21 |
| rickspencer3 | Riddell: SCottK: ^? | 18:21 |
| maco | rickspencer3: what wm are you using? | 18:21 |
| * rickspencer3 does not want to answer | 18:22 | |
| MacSlow | rickspencer3, I asked Riddell already on #distro... but he's probably out of office... makes sense... he's almost in the same timezone as I am | 18:22 |
| lex79 | Riddell: can you upload digikam and kipi-plugins ? | 18:22 |
| rickspencer3 | maco: I'm not too much of a Kubuntu user, but I am a Kubuntu supporter ;) | 18:22 |
| lex79 | Riddell: launchpad bug 401231 | 18:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 401231 in digikam "Merge digikam 1.0.0~beta2 with debian unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/401231 | 18:22 |
| lex79 | Riddell: 395481 | 18:22 |
| lex79 | uhm... launchpad bug 395481 | 18:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 395481 in kipi-plugins "Merge kipi-plugins 0.4.0-1 with debian unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/395481 | 18:23 |
| lex79 | thanks | 18:23 |
| rickspencer3 | MacSlow: lots of the launchpad guys use Kubuntu, so maybe ask flacoste_afk, etc... ? | 18:23 |
| maco | rickspencer3: ah. i get amused by folks who don't realize it's possible to use xmonad and kde together. they think kde is the window manager. | 18:23 |
| MacSlow | rickspencer3, ah... didn't know that | 18:24 |
| rickspencer3 | maco: are you a developer' | 18:24 |
| rickspencer3 | can you help MacSlow? | 18:24 |
| MacSlow | rickspencer3, only know that agateau, Riddell and ScottK run kubuntu | 18:24 |
| maco | rickspencer3: officially? no | 18:24 |
| maco | and id have to log out to switch back to kwin, i think | 18:24 |
| rickspencer3 | ok | 18:24 |
| MacSlow | maco, try it anyway under xmonad | 18:25 |
| MacSlow | maco, still interesting if it produces reasonable output | 18:25 |
| rickspencer3 | MacSlow: perhaps some more detailed instrcutions? | 18:25 |
| rickspencer3 | for others who might want to help, but don't know how | 18:25 |
| MacSlow | grab the code from http://paste.ubuntu.com/227948 (there's a "downlaod as text"-link at the bottom) | 18:26 |
| MacSlow | compile instructions in the top-comment of the file | 18:26 |
| tsimpson | MacSlow: window-manager: KWin | 18:27 |
| MacSlow | tsimpson, besten Dank! | 18:27 |
| maco | MacSlow: your instructions are missing the part about installing libgtk2.0-dev | 18:27 |
| maco | or whatever it's called | 18:27 |
| MacSlow | sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev :) | 18:28 |
| maco | aye, but you missed that dependency | 18:28 |
| * maco waits for apt | 18:28 | |
| maco | window-manager: xmonad | 18:30 |
| nixternal | hola | 18:31 |
| MacSlow | maco, thanks! | 18:31 |
| MacSlow | that should do it | 18:31 |
| maco | nixternal: no other devs around to answer my question. maybe you can? | 18:31 |
| nixternal | what's the question ? | 18:31 |
| nixternal | ooh, MacSlow is in the house...must be trouble to be had :) | 18:32 |
| maco | if i'm doing the "debcommit, push to lp, request merge" thing, do i put UNRELEASED or -proposed in debian/changelog? | 18:32 |
| MacSlow | nixternal, I've always trouble and pain... never lived without it :) | 18:32 |
| nixternal | -proposed | 18:32 |
| maco | ok thank you | 18:33 |
| nixternal | MacSlow: oh I hear you there...how has life been treating you? | 18:33 |
| nixternal | maco: UNRELEASED is a debian thing, don't think we are doing that in Ubuntu | 18:33 |
| MacSlow | nixternal, beefy workload | 18:33 |
| nixternal | at least we never did, who knows what has changed recently though :) | 18:33 |
| nixternal | MacSlow: must be nice...I have 0 workload :( | 18:33 |
| MacSlow | nixternal, one always misses what one does not have... no matter what "that" is | 18:34 |
| nixternal | so true | 18:35 |
| MacSlow | humans are odd | 18:35 |
| MacSlow | time to call it a day | 18:36 |
| maco | nixternal: so can you take a look at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~maco.m/ubuntu/hardy/sudo/sudo-fix-191264/+merge/9210 ? | 18:40 |
| * maco crosses fingers | 18:40 | |
| maco | i hope i did this bzr stuff right | 18:40 |
| nixternal | looking now | 18:41 |
| vorian | https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~maco.m/ubuntu/hardy/sudo/sudo-fix-1https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~maco.m/ubuntu/hardy/sudo/sudo-fix-191264/+merge/9210 ? | 18:41 |
| vorian | bleh | 18:41 |
| maco | vorian: *giggle* | 18:44 |
| nixternal | maco: looks good to me | 18:45 |
| maco | so now what? subscribe sponsors? | 18:46 |
| nixternal | dunno about that bzr merge...James might be the best to ask on that on what path to take next...at least file the diff to the bug and then subscribe someone | 18:49 |
| maco | k | 18:50 |
| maco | i tried asking james the release question, but he seems to be MIA | 18:50 |
| maco | (or AFK with no /away) | 18:51 |
| maco | oh it says he gets subscribed to all the merge request stuff | 18:51 |
| maco | er....im confused | 18:52 |
| maco | is it normal for there to be changes in -security that arent in -proposed? | 18:53 |
| maco | nixternal: ? | 19:08 |
| nixternal | not sure how they do the security stuff...you can ask kees about that | 19:09 |
| nixternal | interesting...ff 3.5 search is the custom google search for ubuntu which is filled with adwords crap | 19:37 |
| maco | really? you dont use adblock? | 19:37 |
| nixternal | not with a fresh install of ff 3.5 | 19:38 |
| nixternal | and no, I typically don't use adblock because sometimes I run across some good ads | 19:38 |
| nixternal | happy birthday birthdaylogger!!! mine is in 6 days :) \o/ | 19:39 |
| seele | me too.. especially when i'm looking for something to buy, the ads are usually more on target than the search results | 19:39 |
| seele | has anyone tested karmic-netbook on a netbook? 7pt fonts seem to be a bit tiny | 19:40 |
| nixternal | I am running it | 19:40 |
| nixternal | seele: I was getting some font crash dialog as well | 19:40 |
| nixternal | seele: I am using Liberation Mono at 6pt | 19:41 |
| nixternal | looks fine to me | 19:41 |
| maco | seele: theres been a spate of trademark violation suits against google because of people doing ads like "looking for FOO?" and then linking to competitor BAR's website | 19:44 |
| seele | maco: huh? | 19:45 |
| seele | oh, regarding ads | 19:46 |
| JontheEchidna | interesting, that was quick: http://www.downloadtube.com/blog/2009/07/23/kubuntu-910-karmic-koala-alpha-3-goes-social/ | 19:47 |
| seele | hmm.. it also said we decided on Aurora :P | 19:48 |
| d_ed | is it not fully decided? | 19:49 |
| JontheEchidna | seele: yeah, I noticed that.... | 19:50 |
| seele | d_ed: no | 19:50 |
| seele | ack.. kpackagkit notification needs some work | 19:51 |
| seele | overlapping text areas all over | 19:51 |
| d_ed | that's good to hear. When I was here for a big "this is what's in Karmic" IRC session they gave that impression. | 19:51 |
| nixternal | jeesh, the UK Podcast didn't do their homework at all in regards to the Kubuntu Netbook Edition | 19:51 |
| seele | nixternal: they never do their homework | 19:52 |
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| Riddell | seele: I'd like to just get rid of the list of packages in kpackagekit notification, I think it's not really useful | 20:45 |
| Riddell | nixternal: uh oh, what did they say? | 20:45 |
| nixternal | Riddell: nothing mean, they just didn't read the wiki page they linked to in the podcast | 20:47 |
| nixternal | they want me to do an interview with them, maybe I should do it and set them straight :) | 20:48 |
| seele | Riddell: agreed | 20:49 |
| seele | could we indicate the type? such as security update, enhancement, etc/ | 20:49 |
| seele | Riddell: i also dont like how if you say "not now" the message just goes away. if you decide you want to update at a later time, how do you start that process? | 20:50 |
| Riddell | seele: doesn't it keep the systray icon? | 21:02 |
| Riddell | you can start it from system settings of course | 21:03 |
| seele | Riddell: hmm.. when i clicked it in the netbook edition it disappeared | 21:03 |
| seele | Riddell: booo, that's a bad solution. how many people even know the updates are connected to KPackageKit anyway? | 21:03 |
| seele | it looks like a service | 21:04 |
| Riddell | ok so that should be changed too then | 21:05 |
| seele | well, if you think it should be staying in the systray and it's disappearing, that's probably a bug not a feature | 21:05 |
| seele | i was just reviewing the netbook edition and noticed it, i didnt really look into it | 21:05 |
| Monika|K | with the new cogwheel symbol I never notice anymore that I have updates ... with the triangle sign in 3.5 it was clearer | 21:22 |
| seele | it's not a cog in karmic | 21:25 |
| seele | it's.. i can't remember what it is actually.. but i know it's not the jaunty cog :) | 21:25 |
| Monika|K | hmm, gotta try the Netbook Alpha | 21:26 |
| Riddell | it's a box in karmic with kpackagekit | 21:29 |
| Riddell | it's a gear in jaunty | 21:29 |
| Riddell | and a box and triangle warning in KDE 3 | 21:29 |
| Monika|K | I hope it's a very noticeable box in Karmic ^^ | 21:30 |
| Riddell | get kwwii to add a triangle warning sign :) | 21:30 |
| JontheEchidna | KPK's systray icon only shows up when it is working on something. Quite silly imo | 21:32 |
| JontheEchidna | it relys solely on the KNotification for update notification | 21:32 |
| Riddell | we just discussed that should be changed | 21:32 |
| JontheEchidna | I think the systray icon should be killed entirely unless it can just act as a KPK launcher | 21:32 |
| JontheEchidna | since, why do you need to know it is updating while the KPK update window is open? | 21:35 |
| Riddell | it should be there incase you miss the notification and want to launch it | 21:37 |
| JontheEchidna | right, but currently it just shows you the current status of whatever action the backend is performing | 21:37 |
| JontheEchidna | mostly when you are already doing stuff with KPK | 21:38 |
| JontheEchidna | the tray icon itself currently has nothing to do with the notification of updates | 21:38 |
| Riddell | hmm, right | 21:39 |
| JontheEchidna | I would personally advocate the return to update-notifier-kde for update notifications unless bug 289264 can be resolved. With update functionality turned on, u-n-kde is quite a pig | 21:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 289264 in update-notifier-kde "Memory leak in update-notifier-kde" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/289264 | 21:44 |
| JontheEchidna | I personally never saw it get into the hundreds, but it did routinely use 30 MB of RAM, which is way too much for what it is doing | 21:45 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: you would advocate? | 21:50 |
| JontheEchidna | *would not | 21:51 |
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| Blizzz | neversfelde: upgrading from staging succeeded, though after logging out from kde i had to restart kdm from tty | 23:25 |
| neversfelde | k | 23:26 |
| Blizzz | neversfelde: some more test or stuff needed? | 23:27 |
| JontheEchidna | hum, the kde networkmanager stuff from svn requires Solid networking stuff from trunk | 23:27 |
| neversfelde | Blizzz: no | 23:27 |
| JontheEchidna | kde svn 997238 | 23:28 |
| ubottu | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=997238&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 997238 | Add api for a new status change signal in NetworkManager now that the old one is gone. This requires a large enum that will b... | 23:28 |
| Blizzz | neversfelde: ok. i'll go to bed, i'm terribly tired | 23:28 |
| neversfelde | Blizzz: n8 | 23:28 |
| Blizzz | gn8 | 23:29 |
| JontheEchidna | seems to be the only change though, from what I can see | 23:31 |
| maco | ugh someone in #kubuntu is being all trolly | 23:35 |
| Riddell | maco: you have the power! | 23:37 |
| maco | heh. im not sure i should kick him though | 23:37 |
| maco | he's just sitting here arguing with me that kubuntu devs do nothing but break things and release broken stuff, mooching off of upstream's work | 23:37 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: have you looked at the monolithic one? | 23:38 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: this is building the libs/ components. does the monolithic app need that? | 23:40 |
| Nightrose | maco: nick? | 23:41 |
| * JontheEchidna disables libs/ and applet/ for tests | 23:41 | |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: yes it does | 23:43 |
| JontheEchidna | phooey | 23:44 |
| JontheEchidna | the build fails inside libs/ | 23:44 |
| maco | Nightrose: was quassel208. neversfelde told to go to offtopic. q called us nazis. i kicked. | 23:45 |
| quassel208 | nazis? | 23:45 |
| quassel208 | that didnt mean nazi's | 23:45 |
| maco | isnt that what the fuhrer thing was? | 23:45 |
| quassel208 | no that doesnt mean that | 23:45 |
| Nightrose | .... | 23:45 |
| maco | what was it supposed to mean then? | 23:45 |
| Nightrose | you better stop right there | 23:46 |
| quassel208 | means leader or general or something like that | 23:46 |
| JontheEchidna | leave it to hitler to ruin perfectly good words :P | 23:46 |
| neversfelde | quassel208: no, thats not what it means | 23:46 |
| Nightrose | maco: just so you know #kde-devel had fun with him as well | 23:46 |
| Nightrose | we will _not_ have this discussion here | 23:46 |
| maco | JontheEchidna: and symbols! the swastika was a peace sign... at least he reversed that one | 23:46 |
| Nightrose | end of it now | 23:46 |
| neversfelde | yep | 23:47 |
| quassel208 | yes it does, why else they used the word, but Nightrose is eine deutscher? | 23:47 |
| neversfelde | oh, please kick him | 23:47 |
| Nightrose | ... | 23:47 |
| neversfelde | ryanakca: ping | 23:49 |
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| lex79 | kdelibs-experimental amd64 FTBS on karmic | 23:56 |
| neversfelde | lex79: where to watch the builds? | 23:57 |
| lex79 | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs-experimental/4:4.2.98-0ubuntu1 | 23:58 |
| lex79 | I think just it needs to retry build | 23:59 |
| Riddell | yes | 23:59 |
| * Riddell retries | 23:59 | |
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