[00:03]  * rickspencer3 is watching eeepc connect to his wireless network
[00:04] <rickspencer3> hmmpgh
[00:04] <rickspencer3> didn't work :(
[00:07] <rickspencer3> oh well
[00:07] <rickspencer3> I guess the networking plasman can't connect to wireless networks :(
[00:08] <dtchen> it has trouble with WPA/2 networks
[00:08] <dtchen> has worked fine in my uses for unenciphered and WEP
[00:09] <rickspencer3> well, my network is hidden
[00:09] <rickspencer3> but not encrypted
[00:09]  * rickspencer3 tries 3g broadband
[00:12] <rickspencer3> hmm taking a long time
[00:12] <rickspencer3> connects in seconds with NM
[00:13] <rickspencer3> :(
[00:13] <Quintasan> It's just me or tty consoles are unreadable?
[00:30] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KarmicKoala/Alpha3/Kubuntu updated
[00:30] <Riddell> Quintasan: depends on the luck of the graphics drivers
[00:30] <Quintasan> :/
[00:31] <Quintasan> Radeon 9550 is definitely not best piece of hardware
[01:02] <shtylman> Riddell: is there a better kpackage kit image?
[01:02] <shtylman> you know...one that doesn't show how broken it is... :)
[01:04] <ScottK> rickspencer3: For wireless netbook will work exactly as well or not as Kubuntu desktop which isn't so great at the moment.
[01:04] <rickspencer3> SCottK: thanks
[01:04] <rickspencer3> yeah, it's not working too well for me
[01:04] <rickspencer3> the desktop looks very nice though!
[01:05] <rickspencer3> the series of plasma widgets that appeared when I click on the the network widget thing didn't quite fit, but close
[01:40]  * shtylman cries that new installer couldn't be in alpha3 ... :)
[01:57] <JontheEchidna> We'll hit 'em totally off-guard with teh blingz for alpha4 though >:)
[02:41] <nixternal> ScottK: did that stuff get sponsored that needed to be, the stuff you talked about earlier?
[03:03] <ScottK> nixternal: I don't think it got done before Quintasan_ went and crashed.
[03:05]  * ScottK would like it if manual partitioning installs would work.
[03:42] <claydoh> ScottK: Is there a concise statement as to why we are including arora, and having it the default browser? I am having trouble describing why we have it
[03:44] <ScottK> claydoh: Konqueror is not compatible with many popular web sites.  Most of our users also install Firefox.  Arora is a very snappy webkit based browser that we are considering for our default browser in order to try to provide a default web browser that more of our users will find satisfactory.
[03:44] <ScottK> claydoh: How's that?
[03:45] <claydoh> ScottK: awesomeness
[04:32] <ScottK> nixternal: How's ISO testing going?
[04:44] <ScottK> It'd be great if someone could do the entire disk install test for netbook ....
[05:06]  * ScottK does entire disk ....
[08:55] <Trouble> Happy Birthday apachelogger!
[08:55]  * birthdaylogger hugs Trouble
[08:56] <birthdaylogger> thanks :)
[08:56]  * birthdaylogger puts a plate with cookies on the virtual channel table
[08:56] <Trouble> I couldn't fail to notice your subtle hint :-p
[08:59]  * birthdaylogger is always very subtle :P
[09:00] <birthdaylogger> JontheEchidna: may I say that the wiki page is indeed quite biased
[09:01] <birthdaylogger> "Tooltip for chanel topic | Yes | No" ... you forgot to added the vice versa option "Chanel topic dragable | No | Yes"
[09:02] <birthdaylogger> and "Mark channel as default from context menu | Yes | No" <=> "Hide channel without parting | No | Yes"
[09:03] <birthdaylogger> reads like you were pulling out features out of your nouse to make the list appear complete :P
[09:44] <CIA-31> Kubuntu: apachelogger * r8 kubuntu-netbook-default-settings/ (debian/changelog share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc): Re-add folderview applet to the desktop (LP: #402878)
[09:46] <birthdaylogger> ScottK: you know, it would be helpful if you pushed 9.10.1
[09:49] <Quintasan> kubotu: order cookies and vodka for birthdaylogger
[09:49]  * kubotu slides cookies and vodka down the bar to birthdaylogger
[09:49] <Quintasan> :3
[09:56] <birthdaylogger> ScottK: I find it kinda funny how you dont trust my judgment on which settings I applied :P
[09:56] <birthdaylogger> Quintasan: uhh, what a combo :D
[09:59] <CIA-31> Kubuntu: apachelogger * r9 kubuntu-netbook-default-settings/ (3 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[09:59] <CIA-31> Kubuntu: * Remove plasmarc (only carries a list of widgets for the applet browser)
[09:59] <CIA-31> Kubuntu: * Drop all added settings (in 9.10.1) from kdeglobals, since they get cascaded
[09:59] <CIA-31> Kubuntu:  from kubuntu-default-settings
[09:59] <CIA-31> Kubuntu: * Additional updates integrated from Tonio Mercatante's k-n-d-s package
[09:59] <CIA-31> Kubuntu:  - Added more settings to share/config/kdeglobals, WM active font slightly
[10:00] <CIA-31> Kubuntu:  smaller
[10:27] <neversfelde> birthdaylogger: Happy birthday
[10:36] <ScottK> Happy birthday birthdaylogger.
[10:36]  * ScottK doesn't recall not trusting and 9.10.1 for knds is already in the archive.
[10:37] <ScottK> After the freeze is over we can upload your settings improvements.
[11:11] <birthdaylogger> neversfelde, ScottK: thx
[11:22] <Riddell> birthdaylogger: wasn't it Nightrose's birthday just the other day, you trying to catch up with her? :)
[11:25] <Riddell> agateau: what's a good gnome app to install to test the cross desktop notifications?
[11:32] <Riddell> pidgin doesn't seem to work
[11:32]  * Riddell high fives vorian and nhandler 
[12:50] <agateau> Riddell: you probably need the pidgin-libnotify plugin
[12:51] <agateau> Riddell: you can also try nm-applet (handy when the networkmanager plasmoid does not work)
[12:51] <neversfelde> i386 desktop cd from yesterday worked fine for a real install on my desktop
[12:52] <agateau> Riddell: gnome-power-manager is nice as well (but powerdevil works fine)
[12:53] <agateau> Riddell: there's also notify-send, but I don't think it really qualify as an application :)
[12:53] <ryanakca> Riddell, rgreening: What sizes did you want for the action items? KDE ships 128x128 and 64x64 sized icons. I could make the masthead banner a bit taller if you'd rather, then the icons (128x128) won't look so big.
[13:06] <Riddell> agateau: ooh it works
[13:06] <agateau> Riddell: party! \o/
[13:06] <Riddell> ryanakca: resize to 100?
[13:07] <ryanakca> Riddell: Sure.
[13:27]  * nhandler high fives Riddell back (a little late)
[14:02] <birthdaylogger> agateau: hai, when is the new yokadi to be expected?
[14:04]  * birthdaylogger finds the discussion about quassel vs. konvi rather ridiculous
[14:04]  * birthdaylogger grabs coffee
[14:07] <Riddell> anyone mind if I delete gutsy kubuntu ports release?
[14:08] <agateau> birthdaylogger: given our unpredictable release schedule, not too soon :)
[14:08] <agateau> birthdaylogger: but hopefully faster than 0.10.0
[14:19] <sebas> KDE settings are still stored in ~/.kde4, not ~/.kde, right?
[14:20] <JontheEchidna> nope, went back to ~/.kde in Kubuntu 8.10
[14:21] <sebas> thanks, you just saved me wrong backups
[14:24] <JontheEchidna> kmail might still being using it (for some weird reason it did for me), so it wouldn't hurt to backup both
[14:24] <JontheEchidna> or at least check
[14:26] <jussio1> Just wanted to pop up an say +1 to apachelogger on the quaasel issue. Oh and greets from a yacht in lake saimaa :)
[14:28] <vorian> lake obama!
[14:28] <vorian> quassel rules too
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> konvi rules harder >:D
[14:28] <vorian> all irc cliens are inferior to irssi however
[14:29] <vorian> kovi blows chunks
[14:29] <vorian> it makes me want to toss my cookies
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> S:
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> *D:
[14:29] <vorian> :P
[14:29] <jussio1> Haha
[14:29] <vorian> seriously, irssi should be default.  screw the newbies
[14:30] <vorian> it will save a ton of space too
[14:30]  * jussio1 hurts vorian 
[14:30] <vorian> heh
[14:30] <vorian> i am un hurtable!
[14:30] <vorian> :P
[14:30] <jussio1> Rofl
[14:31] <JontheEchidna> I do forsee great backlash from the users if Konversation doesn't get default'd now that it's available
[14:32] <rofl> why?
[14:32] <rofl> art thou a prophet?
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> people like konversation more than they like quassel
[14:32]  * jussio1 disagrees, but since when did my opinion count...
[14:33] <JontheEchidna> plus a lot of people whined about quassel as soon as they got dumped in #kubunu when 9.04 was released
[14:33] <rofl> JontheEchidna: but it's as easy as doing 'apt-get install koversation'
[14:33] <rofl> who cares if it's not default?
[14:33] <rofl> i don't think it's that big of a deal
[14:33] <JontheEchidna> but it's as easy as doing 'apt-get install quassel'
[14:33] <jussio1> JontheEchidna: Normal reaction when theres something new
[14:33] <JontheEchidna> who cares if it's not default?
[14:33] <rofl> besides, i am the approver of the blueprint!
[14:34] <JontheEchidna> nobody uses it's killer feature by default anyways
[14:34] <jussio1> JontheEchidna: Exactly, quassel rocks for the newbies
[14:34] <sebas> I think konvi is more "end-user ready"
[14:34] <JontheEchidna> No, it's more like "exactly, so there's no reason to use it by default since nobody uses it's greatest feature by default anyways"
[14:34] <sebas> though  I personally use quassel, not konvi
[14:34] <JontheEchidna> sebas: thank you, I was beginning to feel very alone
[14:35] <JontheEchidna> ;.;
[14:35] <sebas> killer feature being the core/client stuff
[14:35] <JontheEchidna> correct
[14:35] <sebas> For a default install as simple IRC client, konvi is the better option
[14:36] <vorian> bill gates would choose konvi too
[14:36] <vorian> just sayin'
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> It should be noted that people who know what client/core stuff is should generally have the know-how to set up an IRC bouncer that would work with any client too
[14:36] <tsimpson> it may be an idea to let konvi mature for a while before including it by default
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> konversation has been maturing for 5 years!
[14:37] <tsimpson> not the KDE4 version, no
[14:37] <JontheEchidna> it's already in better shape stability wise and feature wise than the latest stable version
[14:38] <tsimpson> it still has (at least partially) a new codebase
[14:38] <sebas> quassel, too :)
[14:38] <sebas> But then fully :)
[14:38] <tsimpson> I would like to see it released and more debugged before we reinstate it
[14:38] <sebas> konvi isn't released yet as KDE4 version?
[14:38] <tsimpson> I want konvi back, but I also want it to work :)
[14:39]  * JontheEchidna would like do direct tsimpson to the massive changelog the alphas have
[14:39] <jussio1> tsimpson: +1
[14:39] <sebas> Ah, it's not even in beta.
[14:39] <tsimpson> sebas: alpha-4
[14:39] <sebas> Don't release konvi then, stick to quassel
[14:39] <JontheEchidna> it's alpha in name only
[14:39] <sebas> and thereby respect the developers
[14:39] <tsimpson> JontheEchidna: I know, I see the commits in the channel :)
[14:39] <tsimpson> that's why I would like to see it mature some
[14:39] <JontheEchidna> sebas: the developers are all for it being default
[14:39] <sebas> if they say alpha, it means they don't feel confident about it, so it shouldn't be shipped
[14:40] <sebas> JontheEchidna: an alpha?
[14:40] <JontheEchidna> no, they say alpha because they still want one or two more features in before they release
[14:40] <sebas> then let them do that
[14:40] <jussio1> JontheEchidna: You make assertions, but i still havent seen data to back them up. Ie. Its more stable than quassel
[14:40] <JontheEchidna> jussio1: I never said that
[14:41] <tsimpson> I *do* want konversation to be default, at some date. but I would like a larger user-base to use/test it before it becomes default
[14:41] <jussio1> JontheEchidna: You did, read up a little
[14:41] <tsimpson> many users see "alpha" and say "no thanks"
[14:41] <JontheEchidna> [09:37:08] <JontheEchidna> it's already in better shape stability wise and feature wise than the latest stable version <- was referring to konversation alone here
[14:42] <jussio1> Ok then.
[14:42] <jussio1> Wasnt so clear
[14:42]  * tsimpson also feels the same way about arora, but that's a little different
[14:43]  * vorian weighs in on the ml
[14:44] <seele> Riddell: ok, so according to aaron there isn't a maintainer for kickoff and he doesnt know how the suborg got submitted
[14:44] <seele> he says submit a patch to review board
[14:45] <jussio1> This iphone is really slow to type on.
[14:45] <seele> he also asks what "other" patches we've been submitting to kickoff, and so you should submit the patches we've been maintaining too
[14:45] <vorian> jussio1: you should try iSSH
[14:46] <vorian> then again, you'd have to run irssi
[14:46] <jussio1> vorian: Doesnt help with the typing speed
[14:47] <tsimpson> is anyone else getting annoyed with people putting 'i' in front of something and thinking it's "cool"? probably just me :p
[14:47] <jussio1> vorian: I have an irssi client ruuning, but this is still nicer
[14:47] <vorian> lies
[14:47]  * jussio1 waves to jussi01_ the irssi client...
[14:47] <vorian> itsimpson: iwhat iare iyou italking iabout?
[14:47] <vorian> :P
[14:48] <jussio1> :p
[14:48] <tsimpson> iHate
[14:48] <jussio1> Haha
[14:49] <vorian> you jailbreaker!
[14:50]  * vorian runs off and tells stevejobs
[14:51] <jussio1> vorian: Meh ill beat steve with my ninja stars made from old windows cd's..
[14:51] <vorian> ouch
[14:52] <jussio1> Anyway, time to go
[14:53] <jussio1> Time to go cook some dinner. Bye all
[14:58] <seele> ARGH.. the auto partition in jaunty didn't create a separate home folder?
[14:58] <yuriy> nope, ubiquity never did
[14:59] <seele> damnit!
[14:59] <seele> why not?
[15:00] <yuriy> i guess they don't want to be responsible for the calculation, or consider it somehow too advanced/confusing for new users.  I think it'd be nice if it did
[15:01] <seele> that's like the #1 feature most useful for recovery and upgrading
[15:02] <seele> we don't have any backup/archiving tools
[15:18] <birthdaylogger> agateau: I'll push the current gpl3-only version to the archives then... btw, are you in touch with the debian dood who contributed the manpages?
[15:19]  * birthdaylogger thinks that he could use the ubuntu packaging as base 
[15:20] <agateau> birthdaylogger: ok, the Debian guy is in the list of people I mailed about the license change
[15:20] <agateau> birthdaylogger: I don't know him, he is the friend of a friend of a friend :)
[15:21] <birthdaylogger> agateau: ok, I'll poke him myself then :)
[15:33] <ryanakca> Happy birthday birthdaylogger
[15:33] <birthdaylogger> thx ryanakca :)
[15:34] <ryanakca> birthdaylogger: It looks like the FSF has something similar to Canonical's contributor agreement, see http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/gnulib.git/tree/doc/Copyright/conditions.text?h=origin
[15:35] <birthdaylogger> not as weird though :P
[15:35] <birthdaylogger> anyway
[15:35] <birthdaylogger> neversfelde: did you read the agreement yet?
[15:36] <neversfelde> birthdaylogger: I read it, but nothing more. I will need a few days
[15:36] <birthdaylogger> sure
[15:37] <ryanakca> birthdaylogger: http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/gnulib.git/tree/doc/Copyright/assign.changes.manual?h=origin is the assignment paper
[15:40] <birthdaylogger> Riddell: today is your archive admin day, isn't it? ... if so, please take a look at yokadi in NEW
[15:42] <neversfelde> oh, I need a second advocate for bilbo http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/bilbo
[15:43] <Riddell> birthdaylogger: it's not but I can do since you ask so nicely
[15:43] <birthdaylogger> :)
[15:43]  * birthdaylogger hugs Riddell
[15:45] <birthdaylogger> my menu cleanup is going pretty nicely
[15:45] <birthdaylogger> kcm-gtk is to be pushed post-alpha3
[15:45]  * agateau hugs birthdaylogger for the packaging :)
[15:45] <birthdaylogger> internet mess is reverted for 4.3
[15:45] <birthdaylogger> so I just need to get rid of akonadiconsole somehow
[15:46] <birthdaylogger> ScottK: about that last point ... kevin does have a point when he says that akondiconsole is most useful when it comes to debugging akonadi
[15:46] <birthdaylogger> so, I was thinking, instead of messing with the packaging... maybe we should just change the category from development to something else
[15:46] <birthdaylogger> like system
[15:47] <birthdaylogger> or just hide it completely ;-)
[15:47] <Riddell> or put it in kdepim-dev
[15:47] <birthdaylogger> Riddell: it is in kdepim-runtime ... so it would need to go to kdepim-runtime-dev
[15:47] <birthdaylogger> which is also a PITA because we would need much more verbose .install files
[15:49] <birthdaylogger> hm
[15:49] <birthdaylogger> why is superkaramba in the default install
[15:50] <Riddell> good question
[15:50] <birthdaylogger> oh
[15:50] <birthdaylogger> Riddell: it is part of the scriptengine-superkaramba package
[15:51]  * birthdaylogger is wondering if we need that scriptengine by default
[15:51] <Riddell> nope
[15:52]  * birthdaylogger thinks ScottK will be kind enough to kick it then :)
[16:01] <maco> is your nick a hint that i should i say "happy birthday harald"?
[16:02] <birthdaylogger> a subtle one maybe ;-)
[16:02] <maco> ok. happy birthday harald!
[16:02] <birthdaylogger> thx maco
[16:02] <birthdaylogger> Riddell: something makes imagemagick-doc end up on the ISO :|
[16:03] <Riddell> birthdaylogger: germinate output will know all
[16:03] <Riddell> birthdaylogger: yokadi accepted, bilbo advocated with commant
[16:03] <Riddell> comment
[16:03] <birthdaylogger> Riddell: thx^3
[16:04] <birthdaylogger> now, if only the nm widget was able to connect :D
[16:04] <maco> birthdaylogger: youre reminding me it's almost my mom's birthday and i dont know what to get her
[16:04] <neversfelde> Riddell: games in ninjas and bzr, we should be complete now
[16:04] <Riddell> neversfelde: rocking, I'll upload to karmic
[16:06]  * maco must stop eating the delicious addictive ginger snap cookies
[16:14] <birthdaylogger> Riddell: konq-plugins recommends imagemagick, that recommends -doc
[16:14] <birthdaylogger> so I suppose imagemagick should suggest -doc rather than recommend
[16:16] <Riddell> i agree
[16:18] <birthdaylogger> packagekit contains some gtk stuff making it depend on gtk
[16:22] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-karmic-alpha-3 ta da
[16:22] <Riddell> birthdaylogger: ug
[16:25] <birthdaylogger> imagemagick fix uploaded
[16:28] <rgreening> ryanakca: can you throw up a sample with 64x64 Icons and make the banner fit around that? Maybe have banner 72px high (give 4px spaceing above and below 64px high icon). Let's have a look at that and see...
[16:37] <birthdaylogger> Riddell: did I already mention that speedcrunch is _a lot_ bigger than kcalc? 2.5 vs. 0.5 (installed)
[16:39] <Riddell> it's also lot better :)
[16:40] <birthdaylogger> that is arguable :P
[16:40]  * birthdaylogger thinks krunner owns them all anyway :P
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> krunner fails with decimal addition/subtraction
[16:41] <birthdaylogger> still?
[16:41] <birthdaylogger> that bug is like OLD
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> yes, still
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> bug 344706
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> happy b-day btw
[16:56] <lex79> birthdaylogger: happy birthday :)
[16:59] <seele> oh, just noticed aaron replied to everyone, not just plasma
[16:59] <seele> cool
[17:00] <maco> Riddell: you rmemebered the bzr add this time, right?
[17:13] <Riddell> maco: for which?
[17:14] <maco> Riddell: remember yesterday? ~kubuntu-members, didnt bzr add the patch... before sending it to actual repo, you added it, right?
[17:14] <Riddell> I added a patch
[17:14] <Riddell> in one of the kdebases
[17:16] <seele> is there a bug in launchpad about kickoff? or is that just something we've discussed internally?
[17:16]  * seele thinks it should be marked as a papercut...
[17:17] <Riddell> seele: about which part of kickoff?  (I suspect there isn't)
[17:21] <seele> the menu organization
[17:21] <seele> should also submit a bug about having to maintain patches for the descriptions and alignment
[17:21] <seele> aaron indicated in his email he doesnt remember those patches, and so that menu org, and the design suggestions should be resubmitted to reviewboard
[17:26]  * ryanakca grumbles at sudo constantly seg faulting
[17:51] <Zorael> does alpha 3 include 4.3 rc2 or rc1? (it just says 'rc')
[17:52] <Zorael> Hum, doh, the link links to rc3. Nevermind.
[18:08] <maco> what's the protocol for making a branch to fix a bug and then doing a merge request? do we put UNRELEASED or -proposed in the release version in debian/changelog?
[18:15] <MacSlow> Greetings everybody!
[18:16] <MacSlow> Can someone do me a favour and chase this http://paste.ubuntu.com/227948 through gcc, run it and paste the output here? Thanks in advance!
[18:19] <MacSlow> Yo, where are all the hackers? :)
[18:20] <rickspencer3> MacSlow: you need that done by someone running Kwin?
[18:21] <MacSlow> rickspencer3, yeah... it's easier paste the code and ask here... than for me to pull kwin and dependencies via my "super fast" DSL-connection
[18:21] <rickspencer3> right
[18:21] <rickspencer3> Riddell: SCottK: ^?
[18:21] <maco> rickspencer3: what wm are you using?
[18:22]  * rickspencer3 does not want to answer
[18:22] <MacSlow> rickspencer3, I asked Riddell already on #distro... but he's probably out of office... makes sense... he's almost in the same timezone as I am
[18:22] <lex79> Riddell: can you upload digikam and kipi-plugins ?
[18:22] <rickspencer3> maco: I'm not too much of a Kubuntu user, but I am a Kubuntu supporter ;)
[18:22] <lex79> Riddell: launchpad bug 401231
[18:22] <lex79> Riddell: 395481
[18:23] <lex79> uhm... launchpad bug 395481
[18:23] <lex79> thanks
[18:23] <rickspencer3> MacSlow: lots of the launchpad guys use Kubuntu, so maybe ask flacoste_afk, etc... ?
[18:23] <maco> rickspencer3: ah. i get amused by folks who don't realize it's possible to use xmonad and kde together. they think kde is the window manager.
[18:24] <MacSlow> rickspencer3, ah... didn't know that
[18:24] <rickspencer3> maco: are you a developer'
[18:24] <rickspencer3> can you help MacSlow?
[18:24] <MacSlow> rickspencer3, only know that agateau, Riddell and ScottK run kubuntu
[18:24] <maco> rickspencer3: officially? no
[18:24] <maco> and id have to log out to switch back to kwin, i think
[18:24] <rickspencer3> ok
[18:25] <MacSlow> maco, try it anyway under xmonad
[18:25] <MacSlow> maco, still interesting if it produces reasonable output
[18:25] <rickspencer3> MacSlow: perhaps some more detailed instrcutions?
[18:25] <rickspencer3> for others who might want to help, but don't know how
[18:26] <MacSlow> grab the code from http://paste.ubuntu.com/227948 (there's a "downlaod as text"-link at the bottom)
[18:26] <MacSlow> compile instructions in the top-comment of the file
[18:27] <tsimpson> MacSlow: window-manager: KWin
[18:27] <MacSlow> tsimpson, besten Dank!
[18:27] <maco> MacSlow: your instructions are missing the part about installing libgtk2.0-dev
[18:27] <maco> or whatever it's called
[18:28] <MacSlow> sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev :)
[18:28] <maco> aye, but you missed that dependency
[18:28]  * maco waits for apt
[18:30] <maco> window-manager: xmonad
[18:31] <nixternal> hola
[18:31] <MacSlow> maco, thanks!
[18:31] <MacSlow> that should do it
[18:31] <maco> nixternal: no other devs around to answer my question. maybe you can?
[18:31] <nixternal> what's the question ?
[18:32] <nixternal> ooh, MacSlow is in the house...must be trouble to be had :)
[18:32] <maco> if i'm doing the "debcommit, push to lp, request merge" thing, do i put UNRELEASED or -proposed in debian/changelog?
[18:32] <MacSlow> nixternal, I've always trouble and pain... never lived without it :)
[18:32] <nixternal> -proposed
[18:33] <maco> ok thank you
[18:33] <nixternal> MacSlow: oh I hear you there...how has life been treating you?
[18:33] <nixternal> maco: UNRELEASED is a debian thing, don't think we are doing that in Ubuntu
[18:33] <MacSlow> nixternal, beefy workload
[18:33] <nixternal> at least we never did, who knows what has changed recently though :)
[18:33] <nixternal> MacSlow: must be nice...I have 0 workload :(
[18:34] <MacSlow> nixternal, one always misses what one does not have... no matter what "that" is
[18:35] <nixternal> so true
[18:35] <MacSlow> humans are odd
[18:36] <MacSlow> time to call it a day
[18:40] <maco> nixternal: so can you take a look at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~maco.m/ubuntu/hardy/sudo/sudo-fix-191264/+merge/9210 ?
[18:40]  * maco crosses fingers
[18:40] <maco> i hope i did this bzr stuff right
[18:41] <nixternal> looking now
[18:41] <vorian> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~maco.m/ubuntu/hardy/sudo/sudo-fix-1https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~maco.m/ubuntu/hardy/sudo/sudo-fix-191264/+merge/9210 ?
[18:41] <vorian> bleh
[18:44] <maco> vorian: *giggle*
[18:45] <nixternal> maco: looks good to me
[18:46] <maco> so now what? subscribe sponsors?
[18:49] <nixternal> dunno about that bzr merge...James might be the best to ask on that on what path to take next...at least file the diff to the bug and then subscribe someone
[18:50] <maco> k
[18:50] <maco> i tried asking james the release question, but he seems to be MIA
[18:51] <maco> (or AFK with no /away)
[18:51] <maco> oh it says he gets subscribed to all the merge request stuff
[18:52] <maco> er....im confused
[18:53] <maco> is it normal for there to be changes in -security that arent in -proposed?
[19:08] <maco> nixternal: ?
[19:09] <nixternal> not sure how they do the security stuff...you can ask kees about that
[19:37] <nixternal> interesting...ff 3.5 search is the custom google search for ubuntu which is filled with adwords crap
[19:37] <maco> really? you dont use adblock?
[19:38] <nixternal> not with a fresh install of ff 3.5
[19:38] <nixternal> and no, I typically don't use adblock because sometimes I run across some good ads
[19:39] <nixternal> happy birthday birthdaylogger!!! mine is in 6 days :) \o/
[19:39] <seele> me too.. especially when i'm looking for something to buy, the ads are usually more on target than the search results
[19:40] <seele> has anyone tested karmic-netbook on a netbook? 7pt fonts seem to be a bit tiny
[19:40] <nixternal> I am running it
[19:40] <nixternal> seele: I was getting some font crash dialog as well
[19:41] <nixternal> seele: I am using Liberation Mono at 6pt
[19:41] <nixternal> looks fine to me
[19:44] <maco> seele: theres been a spate of trademark violation suits against google because of people doing ads like "looking for FOO?" and then linking to competitor BAR's website
[19:45] <seele> maco: huh?
[19:46] <seele> oh, regarding ads
[19:47] <JontheEchidna> interesting, that was quick: http://www.downloadtube.com/blog/2009/07/23/kubuntu-910-karmic-koala-alpha-3-goes-social/
[19:48] <seele> hmm.. it also said we decided on Aurora :P
[19:49] <d_ed> is it not fully decided?
[19:50] <JontheEchidna> seele: yeah, I noticed that....
[19:50] <seele> d_ed: no
[19:51] <seele> ack.. kpackagkit notification needs some work
[19:51] <seele> overlapping text areas all over
[19:51] <d_ed> that's good to hear. When I was here for a big "this is what's in Karmic" IRC session they gave that impression.
[19:51] <nixternal> jeesh, the UK Podcast didn't do their homework at all in regards to the Kubuntu Netbook Edition
[19:52] <seele> nixternal: they never do their homework
[20:45] <Riddell> seele: I'd like to just get rid of the list of packages in kpackagekit notification, I think it's not really useful
[20:45] <Riddell> nixternal: uh oh, what did they say?
[20:47] <nixternal> Riddell: nothing mean, they just didn't read the wiki page they linked to in the podcast
[20:48] <nixternal> they want me to do an interview with them, maybe I should do it and set them straight :)
[20:49] <seele> Riddell: agreed
[20:49] <seele> could we indicate the type? such as security update, enhancement, etc/
[20:50] <seele> Riddell: i also dont like how if you say "not now" the message just goes away. if you decide you want to update at a later time, how do you start that process?
[21:02] <Riddell> seele: doesn't it keep the systray icon?
[21:03] <Riddell> you can start it from system settings of course
[21:03] <seele> Riddell: hmm.. when i clicked it in the netbook edition it disappeared
[21:03] <seele> Riddell: booo, that's a bad solution. how many people even know the updates are connected to KPackageKit anyway?
[21:04] <seele> it looks like a service
[21:05] <Riddell> ok so that should be changed too then
[21:05] <seele> well, if you think it should be staying in the systray and it's disappearing, that's probably a bug not a feature
[21:05] <seele> i was just reviewing the netbook edition and noticed it, i didnt really look into it
[21:22] <Monika|K> with the new cogwheel symbol I never notice anymore that I have updates ... with the triangle sign in 3.5 it was clearer
[21:25] <seele> it's not a cog in karmic
[21:25] <seele> it's.. i can't remember what it is actually.. but i know it's not the jaunty cog :)
[21:26] <Monika|K> hmm, gotta try the Netbook Alpha
[21:29] <Riddell> it's a box in karmic with kpackagekit
[21:29] <Riddell> it's a gear in jaunty
[21:29] <Riddell> and a box and triangle warning in KDE 3
[21:30] <Monika|K> I hope it's a very noticeable box in Karmic ^^
[21:30] <Riddell> get kwwii to add a triangle warning sign :)
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> KPK's systray icon only shows up when it is working on something. Quite silly imo
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> it relys solely on the KNotification for update notification
[21:32] <Riddell> we just discussed that should be changed
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> I think the systray icon should be killed entirely unless it can just act as a KPK launcher
[21:35] <JontheEchidna> since, why do you need to know it is updating while the KPK update window is open?
[21:37] <Riddell> it should be there incase you miss the notification and want to launch it
[21:37] <JontheEchidna> right, but currently it just shows you the current status of whatever action the backend is performing
[21:38] <JontheEchidna> mostly when you are already doing stuff with KPK
[21:38] <JontheEchidna> the tray icon itself currently has nothing to do with the notification of updates
[21:39] <Riddell> hmm, right
[21:44] <JontheEchidna> I would personally advocate the return to update-notifier-kde for update notifications unless bug 289264 can be resolved. With update functionality turned on, u-n-kde is quite a pig
[21:45] <JontheEchidna> I personally never saw it get into the hundreds, but it did routinely use 30 MB of RAM, which is way too much for what it is doing
[21:50] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: you would advocate?
[21:51] <JontheEchidna> *would not
[23:25] <Blizzz> neversfelde: upgrading from staging succeeded, though after logging out from kde i had to restart kdm from tty
[23:26] <neversfelde> k
[23:27] <Blizzz> neversfelde: some more test or stuff needed?
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> hum, the kde networkmanager stuff from svn requires Solid networking stuff from trunk
[23:27] <neversfelde> Blizzz: no
[23:28] <JontheEchidna> kde svn 997238
[23:28] <Blizzz> neversfelde: ok. i'll go to bed, i'm terribly tired
[23:28] <neversfelde> Blizzz: n8
[23:29] <Blizzz> gn8
[23:31] <JontheEchidna> seems to be the only change though, from what I can see
[23:35] <maco> ugh someone in #kubuntu is being all trolly
[23:37] <Riddell> maco: you have the power!
[23:37] <maco> heh. im not sure i should kick him though
[23:37] <maco> he's just sitting here arguing with me that kubuntu devs do nothing but break things and release broken stuff, mooching off of upstream's work
[23:38] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: have you looked at the monolithic one?
[23:40] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: this is building the libs/ components. does the monolithic app need that?
[23:41] <Nightrose> maco: nick?
[23:41]  * JontheEchidna disables libs/ and applet/ for tests
[23:43] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yes it does
[23:44] <JontheEchidna> phooey
[23:44] <JontheEchidna> the build fails inside libs/
[23:45] <maco> Nightrose: was quassel208. neversfelde told to go to offtopic. q called us nazis. i kicked.
[23:45] <quassel208> nazis?
[23:45] <quassel208> that didnt mean nazi's
[23:45] <maco> isnt that what the fuhrer thing was?
[23:45] <quassel208> no that doesnt mean that
[23:45] <Nightrose> ....
[23:45] <maco> what was it supposed to mean then?
[23:46] <Nightrose> you better stop right there
[23:46] <quassel208> means leader or general or something like that
[23:46] <JontheEchidna> leave it to hitler to ruin perfectly good words :P
[23:46] <neversfelde> quassel208: no, thats not what it means
[23:46] <Nightrose> maco: just so you know #kde-devel had fun with him as well
[23:46] <Nightrose> we will _not_ have this discussion here
[23:46] <maco> JontheEchidna: and symbols! the swastika was a peace sign... at least he reversed that one
[23:46] <Nightrose> end of it now
[23:47] <neversfelde> yep
[23:47] <quassel208> yes it does, why else they used the word, but Nightrose is eine deutscher?
[23:47] <neversfelde> oh, please kick him
[23:47] <Nightrose> ...
[23:49] <neversfelde> ryanakca: ping
[23:56] <lex79> kdelibs-experimental amd64 FTBS on karmic
[23:57] <neversfelde> lex79: where to watch the builds?
[23:58] <lex79> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs-experimental/4:4.2.98-0ubuntu1
[23:59] <lex79> I think just it needs to retry build
[23:59] <Riddell> yes
[23:59]  * Riddell retries