[00:03] * rickspencer3 is watching eeepc connect to his wireless network === asac__ is now known as asac [00:04] hmmpgh [00:04] didn't work :( [00:07] oh well [00:07] I guess the networking plasman can't connect to wireless networks :( [00:08] it has trouble with WPA/2 networks [00:08] has worked fine in my uses for unenciphered and WEP [00:09] well, my network is hidden [00:09] but not encrypted [00:09] * rickspencer3 tries 3g broadband [00:12] hmm taking a long time [00:12] connects in seconds with NM [00:13] :( [00:13] It's just me or tty consoles are unreadable? [00:30] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KarmicKoala/Alpha3/Kubuntu updated [00:30] Quintasan: depends on the luck of the graphics drivers [00:30] :/ [00:31] Radeon 9550 is definitely not best piece of hardware === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler === heHATEme is now known as they [01:02] Riddell: is there a better kpackage kit image? [01:02] you know...one that doesn't show how broken it is... :) [01:04] rickspencer3: For wireless netbook will work exactly as well or not as Kubuntu desktop which isn't so great at the moment. [01:04] SCottK: thanks [01:04] yeah, it's not working too well for me [01:04] the desktop looks very nice though! [01:05] the series of plasma widgets that appeared when I click on the the network widget thing didn't quite fit, but close === they is now known as vorian === Pici` is now known as Pici [01:40] * shtylman cries that new installer couldn't be in alpha3 ... :) [01:57] We'll hit 'em totally off-guard with teh blingz for alpha4 though >:) [02:41] ScottK: did that stuff get sponsored that needed to be, the stuff you talked about earlier? [03:03] nixternal: I don't think it got done before Quintasan_ went and crashed. [03:05] * ScottK would like it if manual partitioning installs would work. [03:42] ScottK: Is there a concise statement as to why we are including arora, and having it the default browser? I am having trouble describing why we have it [03:44] claydoh: Konqueror is not compatible with many popular web sites. Most of our users also install Firefox. Arora is a very snappy webkit based browser that we are considering for our default browser in order to try to provide a default web browser that more of our users will find satisfactory. [03:44] claydoh: How's that? [03:45] ScottK: awesomeness === bdefreese2 is now known as bddebian [04:32] nixternal: How's ISO testing going? [04:44] It'd be great if someone could do the entire disk install test for netbook .... [05:06] * ScottK does entire disk .... === santiago-pgsql is now known as santiago-ve === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening === Trouble is now known as Trouble` === Trouble` is now known as Trouble- === apachelogger is now known as birthdaylogger [08:55] Happy Birthday apachelogger! [08:55] * birthdaylogger hugs Trouble [08:56] thanks :) [08:56] * birthdaylogger puts a plate with cookies on the virtual channel table [08:56] I couldn't fail to notice your subtle hint :-p [08:59] * birthdaylogger is always very subtle :P [09:00] JontheEchidna: may I say that the wiki page is indeed quite biased [09:01] "Tooltip for chanel topic | Yes | No" ... you forgot to added the vice versa option "Chanel topic dragable | No | Yes" [09:02] and "Mark channel as default from context menu | Yes | No" <=> "Hide channel without parting | No | Yes" [09:03] reads like you were pulling out features out of your nouse to make the list appear complete :P === ejat is now known as e-jat === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === emonkey-t is now known as emonkey [09:44] Kubuntu: apachelogger * r8 kubuntu-netbook-default-settings/ (debian/changelog share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc): Re-add folderview applet to the desktop (LP: #402878) [09:46] ScottK: you know, it would be helpful if you pushed 9.10.1 [09:49] kubotu: order cookies and vodka for birthdaylogger [09:49] * kubotu slides cookies and vodka down the bar to birthdaylogger [09:49] :3 [09:56] ScottK: I find it kinda funny how you dont trust my judgment on which settings I applied :P [09:56] Quintasan: uhh, what a combo :D [09:59] Kubuntu: apachelogger * r9 kubuntu-netbook-default-settings/ (3 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) [09:59] Kubuntu: * Remove plasmarc (only carries a list of widgets for the applet browser) [09:59] Kubuntu: * Drop all added settings (in 9.10.1) from kdeglobals, since they get cascaded [09:59] Kubuntu: from kubuntu-default-settings [09:59] Kubuntu: * Additional updates integrated from Tonio Mercatante's k-n-d-s package [09:59] Kubuntu: - Added more settings to share/config/kdeglobals, WM active font slightly [10:00] Kubuntu: smaller [10:27] birthdaylogger: Happy birthday [10:36] Happy birthday birthdaylogger. [10:36] * ScottK doesn't recall not trusting and 9.10.1 for knds is already in the archive. [10:37] After the freeze is over we can upload your settings improvements. [11:11] neversfelde, ScottK: thx [11:22] birthdaylogger: wasn't it Nightrose's birthday just the other day, you trying to catch up with her? :) [11:25] agateau: what's a good gnome app to install to test the cross desktop notifications? [11:32] pidgin doesn't seem to work [11:32] * Riddell high fives vorian and nhandler === word is now known as word_ === word_ is now known as word [12:50] Riddell: you probably need the pidgin-libnotify plugin [12:51] Riddell: you can also try nm-applet (handy when the networkmanager plasmoid does not work) [12:51] i386 desktop cd from yesterday worked fine for a real install on my desktop [12:52] Riddell: gnome-power-manager is nice as well (but powerdevil works fine) [12:53] Riddell: there's also notify-send, but I don't think it really qualify as an application :) [12:53] Riddell, rgreening: What sizes did you want for the action items? KDE ships 128x128 and 64x64 sized icons. I could make the masthead banner a bit taller if you'd rather, then the icons (128x128) won't look so big. === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin [13:06] agateau: ooh it works [13:06] Riddell: party! \o/ [13:06] ryanakca: resize to 100? [13:07] Riddell: Sure. [13:27] * nhandler high fives Riddell back (a little late) [14:02] agateau: hai, when is the new yokadi to be expected? [14:04] * birthdaylogger finds the discussion about quassel vs. konvi rather ridiculous [14:04] * birthdaylogger grabs coffee [14:07] anyone mind if I delete gutsy kubuntu ports release? [14:08] birthdaylogger: given our unpredictable release schedule, not too soon :) [14:08] birthdaylogger: but hopefully faster than 0.10.0 [14:19] KDE settings are still stored in ~/.kde4, not ~/.kde, right? [14:20] nope, went back to ~/.kde in Kubuntu 8.10 [14:21] thanks, you just saved me wrong backups [14:24] kmail might still being using it (for some weird reason it did for me), so it wouldn't hurt to backup both [14:24] or at least check [14:26] Just wanted to pop up an say +1 to apachelogger on the quaasel issue. Oh and greets from a yacht in lake saimaa :) [14:28] lake obama! [14:28] quassel rules too [14:28] konvi rules harder >:D [14:28] all irc cliens are inferior to irssi however [14:29] kovi blows chunks [14:29] it makes me want to toss my cookies [14:29] S: [14:29] *D: [14:29] :P [14:29] Haha [14:29] seriously, irssi should be default. screw the newbies [14:30] it will save a ton of space too [14:30] * jussio1 hurts vorian [14:30] heh [14:30] i am un hurtable! [14:30] :P [14:30] Rofl [14:31] I do forsee great backlash from the users if Konversation doesn't get default'd now that it's available === vorian is now known as rofl [14:32] why? [14:32] art thou a prophet? [14:32] people like konversation more than they like quassel [14:32] * jussio1 disagrees, but since when did my opinion count... [14:33] plus a lot of people whined about quassel as soon as they got dumped in #kubunu when 9.04 was released [14:33] JontheEchidna: but it's as easy as doing 'apt-get install koversation' [14:33] who cares if it's not default? [14:33] i don't think it's that big of a deal [14:33] but it's as easy as doing 'apt-get install quassel' [14:33] JontheEchidna: Normal reaction when theres something new [14:33] who cares if it's not default? [14:33] besides, i am the approver of the blueprint! [14:34] nobody uses it's killer feature by default anyways [14:34] JontheEchidna: Exactly, quassel rocks for the newbies [14:34] I think konvi is more "end-user ready" [14:34] No, it's more like "exactly, so there's no reason to use it by default since nobody uses it's greatest feature by default anyways" === rofl is now known as vorian [14:34] though I personally use quassel, not konvi [14:34] sebas: thank you, I was beginning to feel very alone [14:35] ;.; [14:35] killer feature being the core/client stuff [14:35] correct [14:35] For a default install as simple IRC client, konvi is the better option [14:36] bill gates would choose konvi too [14:36] just sayin' [14:36] It should be noted that people who know what client/core stuff is should generally have the know-how to set up an IRC bouncer that would work with any client too [14:36] it may be an idea to let konvi mature for a while before including it by default [14:36] konversation has been maturing for 5 years! [14:37] not the KDE4 version, no [14:37] it's already in better shape stability wise and feature wise than the latest stable version [14:38] it still has (at least partially) a new codebase [14:38] quassel, too :) [14:38] But then fully :) [14:38] I would like to see it released and more debugged before we reinstate it [14:38] konvi isn't released yet as KDE4 version? [14:38] I want konvi back, but I also want it to work :) [14:39] * JontheEchidna would like do direct tsimpson to the massive changelog the alphas have [14:39] tsimpson: +1 [14:39] Ah, it's not even in beta. [14:39] sebas: alpha-4 [14:39] Don't release konvi then, stick to quassel [14:39] it's alpha in name only [14:39] and thereby respect the developers [14:39] JontheEchidna: I know, I see the commits in the channel :) [14:39] that's why I would like to see it mature some [14:39] sebas: the developers are all for it being default [14:39] if they say alpha, it means they don't feel confident about it, so it shouldn't be shipped [14:40] JontheEchidna: an alpha? [14:40] no, they say alpha because they still want one or two more features in before they release [14:40] then let them do that [14:40] JontheEchidna: You make assertions, but i still havent seen data to back them up. Ie. Its more stable than quassel [14:40] jussio1: I never said that [14:41] I *do* want konversation to be default, at some date. but I would like a larger user-base to use/test it before it becomes default [14:41] JontheEchidna: You did, read up a little [14:41] many users see "alpha" and say "no thanks" [14:41] [09:37:08] it's already in better shape stability wise and feature wise than the latest stable version <- was referring to konversation alone here [14:42] Ok then. [14:42] Wasnt so clear [14:42] * tsimpson also feels the same way about arora, but that's a little different [14:43] * vorian weighs in on the ml [14:44] Riddell: ok, so according to aaron there isn't a maintainer for kickoff and he doesnt know how the suborg got submitted [14:44] he says submit a patch to review board [14:45] This iphone is really slow to type on. [14:45] he also asks what "other" patches we've been submitting to kickoff, and so you should submit the patches we've been maintaining too [14:45] jussio1: you should try iSSH [14:46] then again, you'd have to run irssi [14:46] vorian: Doesnt help with the typing speed [14:47] is anyone else getting annoyed with people putting 'i' in front of something and thinking it's "cool"? probably just me :p [14:47] vorian: I have an irssi client ruuning, but this is still nicer [14:47] lies [14:47] * jussio1 waves to jussi01_ the irssi client... [14:47] itsimpson: iwhat iare iyou italking iabout? [14:47] :P [14:48] :p [14:48] iHate [14:48] Haha [14:49] you jailbreaker! [14:50] * vorian runs off and tells stevejobs [14:51] vorian: Meh ill beat steve with my ninja stars made from old windows cd's.. [14:51] ouch [14:52] Anyway, time to go [14:53] Time to go cook some dinner. Bye all [14:58] ARGH.. the auto partition in jaunty didn't create a separate home folder? [14:58] nope, ubiquity never did [14:59] damnit! [14:59] why not? [15:00] i guess they don't want to be responsible for the calculation, or consider it somehow too advanced/confusing for new users. I think it'd be nice if it did [15:01] that's like the #1 feature most useful for recovery and upgrading [15:02] we don't have any backup/archiving tools === olujicz_ is now known as olujicz [15:18] agateau: I'll push the current gpl3-only version to the archives then... btw, are you in touch with the debian dood who contributed the manpages? [15:19] * birthdaylogger thinks that he could use the ubuntu packaging as base [15:20] birthdaylogger: ok, the Debian guy is in the list of people I mailed about the license change [15:20] birthdaylogger: I don't know him, he is the friend of a friend of a friend :) [15:21] agateau: ok, I'll poke him myself then :) [15:33] Happy birthday birthdaylogger [15:33] thx ryanakca :) [15:34] birthdaylogger: It looks like the FSF has something similar to Canonical's contributor agreement, see http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/gnulib.git/tree/doc/Copyright/conditions.text?h=origin [15:35] not as weird though :P [15:35] anyway [15:35] neversfelde: did you read the agreement yet? [15:36] birthdaylogger: I read it, but nothing more. I will need a few days [15:36] sure [15:37] birthdaylogger: http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/gnulib.git/tree/doc/Copyright/assign.changes.manual?h=origin is the assignment paper [15:40] Riddell: today is your archive admin day, isn't it? ... if so, please take a look at yokadi in NEW [15:42] oh, I need a second advocate for bilbo http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/bilbo [15:43] birthdaylogger: it's not but I can do since you ask so nicely [15:43] :) [15:43] * birthdaylogger hugs Riddell [15:45] my menu cleanup is going pretty nicely [15:45] kcm-gtk is to be pushed post-alpha3 [15:45] * agateau hugs birthdaylogger for the packaging :) [15:45] internet mess is reverted for 4.3 [15:45] so I just need to get rid of akonadiconsole somehow [15:46] ScottK: about that last point ... kevin does have a point when he says that akondiconsole is most useful when it comes to debugging akonadi [15:46] so, I was thinking, instead of messing with the packaging... maybe we should just change the category from development to something else [15:46] like system [15:47] or just hide it completely ;-) [15:47] or put it in kdepim-dev [15:47] Riddell: it is in kdepim-runtime ... so it would need to go to kdepim-runtime-dev [15:47] which is also a PITA because we would need much more verbose .install files [15:49] hm [15:49] why is superkaramba in the default install [15:50] good question [15:50] oh [15:50] Riddell: it is part of the scriptengine-superkaramba package [15:51] * birthdaylogger is wondering if we need that scriptengine by default [15:51] nope [15:52] * birthdaylogger thinks ScottK will be kind enough to kick it then :) [16:01] is your nick a hint that i should i say "happy birthday harald"? [16:02] a subtle one maybe ;-) [16:02] ok. happy birthday harald! [16:02] thx maco [16:02] Riddell: something makes imagemagick-doc end up on the ISO :| [16:03] birthdaylogger: germinate output will know all [16:03] birthdaylogger: yokadi accepted, bilbo advocated with commant [16:03] comment [16:03] Riddell: thx^3 [16:04] now, if only the nm widget was able to connect :D [16:04] birthdaylogger: youre reminding me it's almost my mom's birthday and i dont know what to get her [16:04] Riddell: games in ninjas and bzr, we should be complete now [16:04] neversfelde: rocking, I'll upload to karmic [16:06] * maco must stop eating the delicious addictive ginger snap cookies [16:14] Riddell: konq-plugins recommends imagemagick, that recommends -doc [16:14] so I suppose imagemagick should suggest -doc rather than recommend [16:16] i agree [16:18] packagekit contains some gtk stuff making it depend on gtk [16:22] http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-karmic-alpha-3 ta da [16:22] birthdaylogger: ug [16:25] imagemagick fix uploaded [16:28] ryanakca: can you throw up a sample with 64x64 Icons and make the banner fit around that? Maybe have banner 72px high (give 4px spaceing above and below 64px high icon). Let's have a look at that and see... [16:37] Riddell: did I already mention that speedcrunch is _a lot_ bigger than kcalc? 2.5 vs. 0.5 (installed) [16:39] it's also lot better :) [16:40] that is arguable :P [16:40] * birthdaylogger thinks krunner owns them all anyway :P [16:41] krunner fails with decimal addition/subtraction [16:41] still? [16:41] that bug is like OLD [16:41] yes, still [16:42] bug 344706 [16:42] Launchpad bug 344706 in kdebase "Substraction gives erroneous result" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/344706 [16:43] happy b-day btw === word is now known as palabra [16:56] birthdaylogger: happy birthday :) === palabra is now known as word [16:59] oh, just noticed aaron replied to everyone, not just plasma [16:59] cool [17:00] Riddell: you rmemebered the bzr add this time, right? [17:13] maco: for which? [17:14] Riddell: remember yesterday? ~kubuntu-members, didnt bzr add the patch... before sending it to actual repo, you added it, right? [17:14] I added a patch [17:14] in one of the kdebases [17:16] is there a bug in launchpad about kickoff? or is that just something we've discussed internally? [17:16] * seele thinks it should be marked as a papercut... [17:17] seele: about which part of kickoff? (I suspect there isn't) [17:21] the menu organization [17:21] should also submit a bug about having to maintain patches for the descriptions and alignment [17:21] aaron indicated in his email he doesnt remember those patches, and so that menu org, and the design suggestions should be resubmitted to reviewboard [17:26] * ryanakca grumbles at sudo constantly seg faulting [17:51] does alpha 3 include 4.3 rc2 or rc1? (it just says 'rc') [17:52] Hum, doh, the link links to rc3. Nevermind. [18:08] what's the protocol for making a branch to fix a bug and then doing a merge request? do we put UNRELEASED or -proposed in the release version in debian/changelog? === emonkey-t is now known as emonkey [18:15] Greetings everybody! [18:16] Can someone do me a favour and chase this http://paste.ubuntu.com/227948 through gcc, run it and paste the output here? Thanks in advance! [18:19] Yo, where are all the hackers? :) [18:20] MacSlow: you need that done by someone running Kwin? [18:21] rickspencer3, yeah... it's easier paste the code and ask here... than for me to pull kwin and dependencies via my "super fast" DSL-connection [18:21] right [18:21] Riddell: SCottK: ^? [18:21] rickspencer3: what wm are you using? [18:22] * rickspencer3 does not want to answer [18:22] rickspencer3, I asked Riddell already on #distro... but he's probably out of office... makes sense... he's almost in the same timezone as I am [18:22] Riddell: can you upload digikam and kipi-plugins ? [18:22] maco: I'm not too much of a Kubuntu user, but I am a Kubuntu supporter ;) [18:22] Riddell: launchpad bug 401231 [18:22] Launchpad bug 401231 in digikam "Merge digikam 1.0.0~beta2 with debian unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/401231 [18:22] Riddell: 395481 [18:23] uhm... launchpad bug 395481 [18:23] Launchpad bug 395481 in kipi-plugins "Merge kipi-plugins 0.4.0-1 with debian unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/395481 [18:23] thanks [18:23] MacSlow: lots of the launchpad guys use Kubuntu, so maybe ask flacoste_afk, etc... ? [18:23] rickspencer3: ah. i get amused by folks who don't realize it's possible to use xmonad and kde together. they think kde is the window manager. [18:24] rickspencer3, ah... didn't know that [18:24] maco: are you a developer' [18:24] can you help MacSlow? [18:24] rickspencer3, only know that agateau, Riddell and ScottK run kubuntu [18:24] rickspencer3: officially? no [18:24] and id have to log out to switch back to kwin, i think [18:24] ok [18:25] maco, try it anyway under xmonad [18:25] maco, still interesting if it produces reasonable output [18:25] MacSlow: perhaps some more detailed instrcutions? [18:25] for others who might want to help, but don't know how [18:26] grab the code from http://paste.ubuntu.com/227948 (there's a "downlaod as text"-link at the bottom) [18:26] compile instructions in the top-comment of the file [18:27] MacSlow: window-manager: KWin [18:27] tsimpson, besten Dank! [18:27] MacSlow: your instructions are missing the part about installing libgtk2.0-dev [18:27] or whatever it's called [18:28] sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev :) [18:28] aye, but you missed that dependency [18:28] * maco waits for apt [18:30] window-manager: xmonad [18:31] hola [18:31] maco, thanks! [18:31] that should do it [18:31] nixternal: no other devs around to answer my question. maybe you can? [18:31] what's the question ? [18:32] ooh, MacSlow is in the house...must be trouble to be had :) [18:32] if i'm doing the "debcommit, push to lp, request merge" thing, do i put UNRELEASED or -proposed in debian/changelog? [18:32] nixternal, I've always trouble and pain... never lived without it :) [18:32] -proposed [18:33] ok thank you [18:33] MacSlow: oh I hear you there...how has life been treating you? [18:33] maco: UNRELEASED is a debian thing, don't think we are doing that in Ubuntu [18:33] nixternal, beefy workload [18:33] at least we never did, who knows what has changed recently though :) [18:33] MacSlow: must be nice...I have 0 workload :( [18:34] nixternal, one always misses what one does not have... no matter what "that" is [18:35] so true [18:35] humans are odd [18:36] time to call it a day [18:40] nixternal: so can you take a look at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~maco.m/ubuntu/hardy/sudo/sudo-fix-191264/+merge/9210 ? [18:40] * maco crosses fingers [18:40] i hope i did this bzr stuff right [18:41] looking now [18:41] https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~maco.m/ubuntu/hardy/sudo/sudo-fix-1https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~maco.m/ubuntu/hardy/sudo/sudo-fix-191264/+merge/9210 ? [18:41] bleh [18:44] vorian: *giggle* [18:45] maco: looks good to me [18:46] so now what? subscribe sponsors? [18:49] dunno about that bzr merge...James might be the best to ask on that on what path to take next...at least file the diff to the bug and then subscribe someone [18:50] k [18:50] i tried asking james the release question, but he seems to be MIA [18:51] (or AFK with no /away) [18:51] oh it says he gets subscribed to all the merge request stuff [18:52] er....im confused [18:53] is it normal for there to be changes in -security that arent in -proposed? [19:08] nixternal: ? [19:09] not sure how they do the security stuff...you can ask kees about that [19:37] interesting...ff 3.5 search is the custom google search for ubuntu which is filled with adwords crap [19:37] really? you dont use adblock? [19:38] not with a fresh install of ff 3.5 [19:38] and no, I typically don't use adblock because sometimes I run across some good ads [19:39] happy birthday birthdaylogger!!! mine is in 6 days :) \o/ [19:39] me too.. especially when i'm looking for something to buy, the ads are usually more on target than the search results [19:40] has anyone tested karmic-netbook on a netbook? 7pt fonts seem to be a bit tiny [19:40] I am running it [19:40] seele: I was getting some font crash dialog as well [19:41] seele: I am using Liberation Mono at 6pt [19:41] looks fine to me [19:44] seele: theres been a spate of trademark violation suits against google because of people doing ads like "looking for FOO?" and then linking to competitor BAR's website [19:45] maco: huh? [19:46] oh, regarding ads [19:47] interesting, that was quick: http://www.downloadtube.com/blog/2009/07/23/kubuntu-910-karmic-koala-alpha-3-goes-social/ [19:48] hmm.. it also said we decided on Aurora :P [19:49] is it not fully decided? [19:50] seele: yeah, I noticed that.... [19:50] d_ed: no [19:51] ack.. kpackagkit notification needs some work [19:51] overlapping text areas all over [19:51] that's good to hear. When I was here for a big "this is what's in Karmic" IRC session they gave that impression. [19:51] jeesh, the UK Podcast didn't do their homework at all in regards to the Kubuntu Netbook Edition [19:52] nixternal: they never do their homework === Squt is now known as Sput [20:45] seele: I'd like to just get rid of the list of packages in kpackagekit notification, I think it's not really useful [20:45] nixternal: uh oh, what did they say? [20:47] Riddell: nothing mean, they just didn't read the wiki page they linked to in the podcast [20:48] they want me to do an interview with them, maybe I should do it and set them straight :) [20:49] Riddell: agreed [20:49] could we indicate the type? such as security update, enhancement, etc/ [20:50] Riddell: i also dont like how if you say "not now" the message just goes away. if you decide you want to update at a later time, how do you start that process? [21:02] seele: doesn't it keep the systray icon? [21:03] you can start it from system settings of course [21:03] Riddell: hmm.. when i clicked it in the netbook edition it disappeared [21:03] Riddell: booo, that's a bad solution. how many people even know the updates are connected to KPackageKit anyway? [21:04] it looks like a service [21:05] ok so that should be changed too then [21:05] well, if you think it should be staying in the systray and it's disappearing, that's probably a bug not a feature [21:05] i was just reviewing the netbook edition and noticed it, i didnt really look into it [21:22] with the new cogwheel symbol I never notice anymore that I have updates ... with the triangle sign in 3.5 it was clearer [21:25] it's not a cog in karmic [21:25] it's.. i can't remember what it is actually.. but i know it's not the jaunty cog :) [21:26] hmm, gotta try the Netbook Alpha [21:29] it's a box in karmic with kpackagekit [21:29] it's a gear in jaunty [21:29] and a box and triangle warning in KDE 3 [21:30] I hope it's a very noticeable box in Karmic ^^ [21:30] get kwwii to add a triangle warning sign :) [21:32] KPK's systray icon only shows up when it is working on something. Quite silly imo [21:32] it relys solely on the KNotification for update notification [21:32] we just discussed that should be changed [21:32] I think the systray icon should be killed entirely unless it can just act as a KPK launcher [21:35] since, why do you need to know it is updating while the KPK update window is open? [21:37] it should be there incase you miss the notification and want to launch it [21:37] right, but currently it just shows you the current status of whatever action the backend is performing [21:38] mostly when you are already doing stuff with KPK [21:38] the tray icon itself currently has nothing to do with the notification of updates [21:39] hmm, right [21:44] I would personally advocate the return to update-notifier-kde for update notifications unless bug 289264 can be resolved. With update functionality turned on, u-n-kde is quite a pig [21:44] Launchpad bug 289264 in update-notifier-kde "Memory leak in update-notifier-kde" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/289264 [21:45] I personally never saw it get into the hundreds, but it did routinely use 30 MB of RAM, which is way too much for what it is doing [21:50] JontheEchidna: you would advocate? [21:51] *would not === Quintasan_ is now known as ricspencer3 [23:25] neversfelde: upgrading from staging succeeded, though after logging out from kde i had to restart kdm from tty [23:26] k [23:27]