[00:01] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/403248
[00:03] <Twigathy> If you want to kill firefox in a new and interesting way, clicky http://home.twigathy.com/out.png (2MB, 16384x16384 PNG. DO NOT CLICK unless you have a *lot* of RAM and CPU time spare!)
[00:07] <DanaG> Not much of an image.
[00:07] <DanaG> All I see is black.
[00:07] <Twigathy> Well, that means it hasn't loaded completely yet >_<
[00:07] <DanaG> oh, some colored bits.
[00:08] <DanaG> sierpinski triangle?
[00:08] <Twigathy> indeed!
[00:08] <Twigathy> I spent today writing a fractal flame generator for...no real reason other than I wanted to know how they worked...
[00:08]  * BUGabundo tries to open it
[00:08] <BUGabundo> ... on elynks
[00:08] <BUGabundo> kidding
[00:08] <Twigathy> haha
[00:09]  * BUGabundo hears CPU fan
[00:09] <BUGabundo> and disk
[00:09] <BUGabundo> oh memory leak
[00:09] <Twigathy> ah, hit swap already? That can't be good
[00:09] <Twigathy> check top, I had firefox using 1.2G res and Xorg and ff using 100% cpu each
[00:09] <BUGabundo> DSK |         sda | busy     97% | read     181 | write    259 | avio    4 ms |
[00:09] <BUGabundo> PAG | scan   6634 | stall      0 |              | swin     125 | swout    935 |
[00:10] <BUGabundo>  2554    134     19         82K   1.7G   1.2G     0K   612K  31% firefox-3.6
[00:10] <Twigathy> hehe
[00:10] <BUGabundo> MEM | tot    3.9G | free   30.3M | cache 213.1M | buff    4.3M | slab   91.1M |
[00:11]  * DanaG sees 3864M total memory.
[00:11] <BUGabundo> even pidgin is now freezing
[00:11] <BUGabundo> due to not be able ot write to disk
[00:11] <Twigathy> oh dear
[00:11] <BUGabundo> SWP | tot    4.7G | free    4.1G |              | vmcom   5.2G | vmlim   6.6G |
[00:12] <BUGabundo> IO:
[00:12] <BUGabundo>  2554     4684K       0K            0K                       55% firefox-3.6
[00:12]  * BUGabundo wishes FF used process per tab
[00:12] <Twigathy> needs more... minefield is it?
[00:13] <BUGabundo>  2874      0      0       1795K   2.4G   1.8G     0K     0K  47% Xorg
[00:13] <BUGabundo> xorg mem leak?
[00:13] <BUGabundo> ahaah
[00:14] <Twigathy> haha
[00:14] <BUGabundo> ok
[00:15] <BUGabundo> back
[00:15] <BUGabundo> closed the tab
[00:15] <DanaG> yargh.
[00:15] <Twigathy> hehe
[00:15] <DanaG> something's screwed up.
[00:15] <DanaG> can't exec .... anything.
[00:15] <Twigathy> don't blame you - it crashed my firefox
[00:15] <DanaG> no, I think I accidentally bind-mounted /proc on /proc
[00:15] <DanaG> and same for sys and dev.
[00:15] <DanaG> =þ
[00:15] <DanaG> Time to REISUB.
[00:16] <BUGabundo> ahahahaahhaha
[00:17] <BUGabundo> Fair well dear bud
[00:17] <BUGabundo> remember to fsck
[00:17]  * Twigathy likes that about nfs root. No more fscking. :)
[00:18] <Twigathy> If I hard-reboot I just lose whatever NFS didn't flush :/
[00:20] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: hit $ sync
[00:20] <BUGabundo> regularly
[00:21] <Twigathy> heh
[00:22] <BUGabundo> ohh BluesKaj is back
[00:22] <BluesKaj> hey BUGabundo
[00:24] <BluesKaj> spent the day beside the lake taking some sun and sauna
[00:25] <BluesKaj> no interenet , even cell phone service was iffy
[00:26] <BUGabundo> did you enjoy it?
[00:26] <BUGabundo> or are you too nerd for it
[00:26] <BUGabundo> ?
[00:26] <BUGabundo> :p
[00:26] <BluesKaj> was great
[00:27] <BluesKaj> me nerdy ? far from it :)
[00:28] <BUGabundo> no?
[00:28] <BUGabundo> then what are you doing here?
[00:31]  * BUGabundo uses Twigathy image to crash a few FFs all over the µblogsfere
[00:31] <BluesKaj> family cottage
[00:31] <Twigathy> There goes my ADSL for the rest of the week then, BUGabundo ;)
[00:32] <BUGabundo> eheh
[00:32] <BUGabundo> I can re-host it if you like
[00:32] <BUGabundo> or you can do funny stats on it
[00:32] <Twigathy> well, I could stick it on twigathy.com which has 100M up and down... c_c
[00:32] <Twigathy> It'd make more sense
[00:33] <BUGabundo> but now I already pasted the link !
[00:33] <BUGabundo> too late
[00:33] <Twigathy> darn :)
[00:33] <BUGabundo> hits should be coming as we speak
[00:33] <Twigathy> I'll tail my logs...
[00:33] <Twigathy> oh god
[00:33] <Twigathy> oh *wow* where did you post that to? >_<
[00:35] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: *everywhere*
[00:35] <BUGabundo> I mean, really, *everywhere* where pingfm and hellotxt, and SNs can reach
[00:35] <Twigathy> there, I replaced it with a meta-refresh and redirected it to twigathy.com/triangulation.png =)
[00:36] <Twigathy> hacky but it works :)
[00:36] <BUGabundo> do you have another link?
[00:36] <BUGabundo> reposting it NOW
[00:36] <Twigathy> twigathy.com/triangulation.png
[00:38] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: better now ?
[00:40] <BluesKaj> here's a pic of the old beach by the "camp" as cottages are known in northern ontario http://imagebin.ca/view/6d8VjX.html
[00:40] <Twigathy> BUGabundo: lol, fun... I'm already getting hits from social networking spiders and google's bot... >_<
[00:40] <BUGabundo> ahhahahahahahahahahahahhahaha
[00:40] <BUGabundo> really?
[00:40] <BUGabundo> wowo
[00:40] <BUGabundo> that was fast
[00:40] <Twigathy> yes
[00:40] <Twigathy> the net scares me
[00:42] <BUGabundo> it should!
[00:44] <BUGabundo> ja viram?
[00:44] <BUGabundo> http://twigathy.com/triangulation.png
[00:44] <BUGabundo> louco
[02:02] <billybigrigger> what a lively bunch tonight :)
[02:10] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1219501
[02:10] <DanaG> Having an EXTENSION override new-tab behavior is rude.
[02:10] <DanaG> It should at least be a "default preference", not an override!
[02:22] <DanaG> yargh, trying to use schroot...
[02:23] <DanaG> (karmic32)dana@EliteBook:~$ sudo
[02:23] <DanaG> sudo: must be setuid root
[02:23] <DanaG> it IS setuid root.
[02:23] <Gumby> anyone here experienced a broken grub after a dist-upgrade?
[02:25] <DanaG> oh, I see... it mounts nosuid.
[02:25] <DanaG> grr.
[02:28] <DanaG> okay... how do I make it NOT use nosuid?
[02:50] <billybigrigger> Gumby
[02:50] <billybigrigger> did he quit?
[02:50] <billybigrigger> chatzilla sucks
[04:33] <billybigrigger> boo
[04:52] <tanath> my computer won't boot now >.<
[04:52] <tanath> doesn't recognize uuid
[04:52] <tanath> need help
[04:53] <DanaG> hmm, does it boot with root=/dev/sda# format?
[04:53] <DanaG> I'm having the same sorts of won't-recognize-uuid issues.
[04:56] <tanath> i think so
[04:57] <tanath> i ran env from recovery prompt, and there was no value for rootdelay, which was mentioned
[04:57] <tanath> not sure what to set that to, and i doubt it'd fix it
[04:57] <tanath> i'm on live disc now
[05:00] <DanaG> I can't even GET a recovery prompt.
[05:00] <DanaG> That is, if I EFI boot.
[05:00] <tanath> EFI?
[05:00] <DanaG> I'm trying to use grub-efi, and for some reason, the kernel refuses to load the initramfs.
[05:00] <tanath> hm
[05:01] <DanaG> It says "no ramdisk image found at 0"
[05:01] <DanaG> or something like that.
[05:02] <tanath> hm, not mine
[05:02] <tanath> said, timed out waiting for root device & couldn't find it or something
[05:03] <tanath> drops to initramfs prompt or whatever
[05:45] <tanath> how do i get net connectivity in a chroot?
[06:13] <Tekno> morning
[06:25] <tanath> how can i set the uuid for a partition (from in chroot)?
[06:26] <tanath> 'ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid' shows sda1's uuid, but when booting off the drive it doesn't know what the uuid is
[06:26] <tanath> and so won't boot now
[06:27] <DanaG> hmm, might it  be a udev or initramfs issue?
[06:27] <DanaG> Or does the uuid it can't find... not match the UUID of the partition?
[06:27] <tanath> i got the notion it might be udev before
[06:27] <Jeruvy> you don't as a rule, it's set for you.  you could edit your menu.lst to the appropriate bootable disk if there were changes...?
[06:28] <tanath> i dunno what happened. an update borked my system
[06:28] <DanaG> Did package configuration get interrupted?
[06:28] <tanath> don't think so
[06:29] <tanath> there was one or two packages that had an error, but i fixed them immediately
[06:29] <tanath> on upgrading
[06:30] <tanath> but it was a more recent update. i could boot at first, just not to the .30+ kernels
[06:30] <tanath> could still boot to the .28 kernels. now can't boot at all
[06:31] <tanath> was gonna try playing in chroot, but net isn't working
[06:31] <tanath> from in chroot
[06:31] <DanaG> oh yeah, did you bind-mount /proc and /sys and /dev into it?
[06:32] <tanath> ran sudo mount -o bind /proc /var/chroot/proc according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot
[06:32] <tanath> well, /var/chroot is wrong path though
[06:32] <tanath> but did that
[06:33] <DanaG> ugh, blurry bubbles.
[06:33] <DanaG> oh yeah, and copy /etc/resolv.conf from the livecd.
[06:33] <tanath> i'm chrooted to my HD from live disc
[06:33] <tanath> hm?
[06:34] <tanath> i'm chrooted to my HD, which is already set up to work fine (if it would boot)...
[06:34] <tanath> and i've done it before, but don't recall how
[06:34] <tanath> the existing /etc/resolv.conf may be different, but if so it prolly should be
[06:36] <DanaG> It's automatically generated, in most cases.
[06:36] <Sarvatt> tanath: sudo dumpe2fs /dev/sdawhatever
[06:36] <tanath> yeah, but i may have tweaked it at some point in the past
[06:36] <tanath> Sarvatt: in or out of chroot?
[06:36] <Sarvatt> doesnt matter
[06:37] <tanath> Sarvatt: woah. that gave the same uuid as 'ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid' and then after a pause started spewing tons of output
[06:38] <tanath> Sarvatt: lots of stuff about free blocks & inodes
[06:38] <tanath> i cancelled it 'cause i was trying to read something
[06:38] <tanath> and couldn't see what it was doing
[06:38] <Sarvatt> add | grep UUID then
[06:38] <tanath> should i let it run through?
[06:39] <Sarvatt> nope
[06:39] <Sarvatt> its just telling you the info on the paritition
[06:39] <tanath> 'ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid' shows the same uuid
[06:39] <tanath> mm
[06:40] <tanath> aha
[06:40] <tanath> my fstab has the wrong uuid
[06:40] <DanaG> interesting:
[06:40] <Sarvatt> did you upgrade from ext3 to ext4 or something?
[06:41] <DanaG> "Please insert a disk that is not copy protected.
[06:41] <DanaG> Such a disk cannot be copied without the proper plugins."
[06:41] <DanaG> Umm... so which one is it that can't be copied?
[06:41] <DanaG> =þ
[06:41] <tanath> Sarvatt: nope
[06:41] <tanath> # Entry for /dev/sda1 :
[06:41] <tanath> UUID=e93bfde6-f2bf-493f-bd21-fde894d1e83c / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro,data=writeback,noatime 0 0
[06:42] <tanath> ls ... uuid says different one
[06:42] <tanath> any reason not to edit?
[06:42] <tanath> i'd like to know how it happened
[06:43] <tanath> there was a command i ran when booted to HD that said ambivalent result for uuid
[06:43] <tanath> this could be why
[06:44] <DanaG> libdvdnav: Suspected RCE Region Protection!!!
[07:06]  * tanath sighs
[07:06] <tanath> i fixed my uuid in fstab, but it still tries to boot to the wrong one
[07:08] <tanath> where else might i need to fix my uuid?
[07:13] <tanath> why would it try to boot to a nonexistent uuid?
[07:40] <tanath> o.O 'aptitude update' gave 'E: Method http has died unexpectedly!'
[07:41] <tanath> 97% [Working]FATAL -> Could not set non-blocking flag Bad file descriptor
[07:44] <tanath> nvm, fixed it
[07:49] <tanath> all the UUIDs in menu.lst were the wrong one
[07:59] <rexes13> hello
[08:00] <rexes13> anybody knows when alpha 3 gonna be released?
[08:30] <ghindo> rexes13, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule
[08:31] <rexes13> ghindo ty mate
[09:58] <AnAnt> Hello, Alpha3 will be released today ?
[10:13] <Unksi> its scheduled for today
[10:16] <AnAnt> ok, thanks
[10:28] <oli_> Anyone know why I don't have shutdown/restart in my user menu?
[10:28] <oli_> Just log out and switch user
[10:42] <thekorn> oli_, yes, I think this is by design, it moved to the "system" menu
[10:42] <thekorn> at least when I last checked
[10:43] <oli_> thekorn: oh yes!
[10:43] <oli_> well that's very odd.. I can almost see the rationale but splitting the options up seems a little.. annoying
[10:43] <oli_> but fair enough
[10:43] <oli_> thanks thekorn
[10:57] <maxb> Anyone else running Eclipse (upstream) on Karmic, and finding the perspective switcher often requires you to click on it 4 times or so before it responds?
[11:40] <om26er> what is the boot time of karmic
[11:40] <om26er> ?
[11:40] <om26er> !boot
[11:41] <om26er> any1 plz tell me what is the boot time of karmic koala
[11:42] <om26er> hello??
[11:42] <drs305> om26er: Mine is about 30 seconds. It's faster than previous releases but not quite what they are after (i think).
[11:43] <om26er> ok thanks for the reply drs305. i am gonna test karmic
[11:43] <drs305> Maybe 20 until part of the desktop starts to appear.
[11:44] <om26er> but the download server is very slow i am getting 30kb/s
[11:48] <om26er> do any 1 knw if karmic mounts the internal card reader at startup
[13:23] <jithine> in kubunutu I am having an issue with nepomuk
[13:24] <jithine> when I login I have getting this notification nepomuk is trying to convert data into a new backen
[13:24] <jithine> after a few seconds I get another notification that it failed
[13:25] <jithine> any kubuntu users here who can help ? please
[13:31] <alteregoa> debora ian needs a ubuntu splash image
[13:31] <alteregoa> for grub2
[13:41] <alteregoa> i would like to see a koala eating a eucalypt tree on the moon,
[13:45] <bazhang> alteregoa, ??
[13:48] <eagles0513875> lol
[13:51] <gnomefreak> bazhang: he must have meant to type that in #ubuntu-offtopic. didnt you alteregoa
[13:51] <gnomefreak> hint no == bad answer
[13:52] <Moult> when you say break your system
[13:53] <Moult> do you muck up beyond repair the OS and software side
[13:53] <Moult> or just muck up the software and such on the system, not so badly (eg: at least bootloader still surviving)
[13:53] <Moult> or do you mean the hardware could get fried too :P
[13:53] <gnomefreak> Moult: you can break bootloader as well since it is just software
[13:54] <eagles0513875> its not really breaking hardware its moer the bootloader and software
[13:54] <gnomefreak> grub2 transition has been ok but that does not make it safe by any menas
[13:54] <Moult> right i'm going to try put karmic on my comp since no other distro has been able to get onlne
[13:54] <eagles0513875> i have tried out grub2 package thats out and worked fine for me cept first boot took some time
[13:54] <Moult> turns out i need a >=2.6.30 kernel
[13:55] <eagles0513875> Moult: be careful karmic or last i check was on 2.6.31
[13:55] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: any idea as to my ssh issue and why its rejecting my password
[13:55] <iddo> alpha3 comes out today? when exactly?
[13:55] <gnomefreak> be careful with that workd "need"
[13:55] <eagles0513875> exactly gnomefreak
[13:55] <gnomefreak> iddo: when it is ready. once everything is ready it will be releasd ther eis no time table
[13:56] <iddo> is it supposed to be today?
[13:56] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: off hand no, i havent used ssh in a long time like sunce brazzy
[13:56] <eagles0513875> wow
[13:56] <gnomefreak> iddo: today in UTC yes should be but depends on what bugs they find that need to be fixed
[13:56] <eagles0513875> just too lazy to stay going up and down to work on that machine
[13:57] <iddo> ok cool
[13:57] <gnomefreak> iddo: normally within a day or 2 on either end of date
[13:57] <Moult> is the installation of karmic at the moment graphical or text?
[13:57] <gnomefreak> Moult: you can use either
[13:57] <gnomefreak> i have both ISOs
[13:58] <Moult> hmm i didn't find an alpha2 download but i did find alpha3, is this correct? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/karmic/alpha-3/
[13:58] <gnomefreak> ok fixed that lost alot of emails but its fixed :)
[13:58] <gnomefreak> Moult: yes or use daily images
[13:59] <iddo> hmm so alpha3 is already out ?!
[14:01] <gnomefreak> iddo: if you are running it yes
[14:01] <BluesKaj> iddo, supposedly sometime today
[14:01] <iddo> i dont understand
[14:01] <eagles0513875> or if ur already running karmic you probably have the updated packages for it no gnomefreak
[14:01] <gnomefreak> iddo: alphas and such do nto get a "final release" until its a final release of system
[14:01] <iddo> i want to install it from scratch
[14:01] <eagles0513875> ahhhh BluesKaj appears lol not to be confused with bluekuja lol
[14:02] <gnomefreak> than use the iso pick one once you update to latest packages you are in alpha 3
[14:02] <eagles0513875> this sounds way to tempting to reinstall
[14:02] <DrHalan1> isn't alpha 3 out yet?
[14:03] <eagles0513875> haha DrHalan1 just check the site
[14:03] <DrHalan1> what site?
[14:03] <Moult> are you all on karmic?
[14:03] <gnomefreak> ok people define out yet. alphas do not get released in the way you are thinking of it
[14:03] <gnomefreak> !daily
[14:03] <iddo> the link at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/karmic/alpha-3/ gonna get updated later today or tomorrow? or this is alpha3 and next update is alpha4 ?
[14:03] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: hows the installer looking on alpha 2 iso
[14:04] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: a2 text based was ok libcrypt issue but should be fixed by now
[14:04] <DrHalan1> gnomefreak: yeah with released i meand the critical bugs been fixed
[14:04] <gnomefreak> they are still being fixed
[14:04] <eagles0513875> might give it a go and reinstall im wondering if my openssh issue is related to upgrading from jaunty to karmic
[14:04] <DrHalan1> i cannot upgrade my laptop anymore because the package mozialla-plugin-gnash is broken and can'T be removed
[14:04] <alteregoa> why?
[14:05] <iddo> so there gonna be new alpha3 iso later?
[14:05] <gnomefreak> as i recall firefox was a fast push to get it on the cd so the end concerning me is done that i know of
[14:05] <alteregoa> its alpha not RC
[14:05] <gnomefreak> alteregoa: this is a support channel not a offtoipic channel
[14:05] <alteregoa> ok dude
[14:05] <gnomefreak> iddo: dailies are updated daily
[14:06] <iddo> but this link is daily? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/karmic/alpha-3/
[14:06] <eagles0513875> iddo: also any packages that make it to the daily builds get pushed out as updates
[14:06] <alteregoa> i got a problem with the grub2 splashscreens
[14:06] <gnomefreak> alteregoa: thats good since IIRC it doesnt support splashs yet
[14:07] <DrHalan1> how can i force remove a package (the removal script is broken)
[14:07] <alteregoa> i installed the splash screens and edited a file cause the paths are wrong
[14:07] <gnomefreak> DrHalan1: you would have to look at the error read the file that has a problem wnad than try. or file a bug
[14:07] <iddo> hmm i didnt even notice that this link is kubuntu
[14:08] <alteregoa> i put a splash screen into my notebook bios with the same resolution on grub
[14:09] <eagles0513875> iddo: thing is there is no link on the main kubuntu page regarding alpha 3 yet
[14:10] <iddo> hmm ubuntu (not kubuntu) also has only alpha3 link: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/alpha-3/
[14:10] <iddo> so think alpha3 iso is updated daily ?
[14:10] <DrHalan1> gnomefreak: it's update-alternatives or so. I dunno what to do abotu that
[14:10] <iddo> i meant so this
[14:12] <iddo> or this alpha3 iso will stay the same until alpha4 ?
[14:12] <gnomefreak> DrHalan1: im going to be in and out. if you dont know what you are doing than i suggest file a bug. if you go into that folder you should find the gnash file there and read the error and see if you can find the broken part but i dont see the full error and time is not allowing me to help too much today
[14:12] <gnomefreak> iddo: daily == updated daily
[14:13] <drs305> alteregoa: Do you have any questions about how to put the splash image into Grub2?
[14:13] <iddo> yeah i'm asking if it's daily
[14:14] <iddo> gnomefreak: why do u say that alpha3 is daily?
[14:14] <DrHalan1> gnomefreak: it is said to be fixed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnash/+bug/398213
[14:14] <DrHalan1> but i cannot update the package either because then it tries to remove the old one too
[14:19] <gnomefreak> DrHalan1: remove the old gnash packages?
[14:19] <DrHalan1> because of the bug i can't
[14:21] <gnomefreak> DrHalan1: what happens when you try to upgrade? you said it removes packages (not helpful)
[14:23] <BluesKaj> I'm impressed with konqueror as a browser , now that FF has become bloated and slow on linux ..it's now my default
[14:23] <DrHalan1> gnomefreak: like mentionedi n teh bug: "subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 2"
[14:23] <gnomefreak> DrHalan1: comment on the bug than.
[14:25] <DrHalan1> okay thanks gnomefreak
[14:25] <gnomefreak> DrHalan1: im not a gnash maintainer and it doesnt say its fixed it sayus its in progress
[14:25] <gnomefreak> asac opened it back up for that reason
[14:27] <iddo> so if next week i download http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/alpha-3/karmic-desktop-i386.iso will it be the same file, or is it updated daily?
[14:28] <danbhfive> iddo: there is a daily release
[14:28] <gnomefreak> DrHalan1: give me a minute
[14:29] <gnomefreak> if its not daily it will not be updated (at least ont often)
[14:29] <iddo> but arent the daily releases here? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/
[14:29] <gnomefreak> !daily
[14:29] <gnomefreak> those are daily links
[14:29] <iddo> but im not asking about those
[14:29] <iddo> im asking about http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/alpha-3/
[14:30] <gnomefreak> iddo: they will stay the same the dailyies will be updated daily
[14:30] <gnomefreak> iddo: what is it you want to know out side of that?
[14:31] <iddo> gnomefreak: u r now saying that http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/alpha-3/ will stay the same?
[14:31] <iddo> earlier u said that alpha3 will be released probably later today or tomorrow?
[14:31] <danbhfive> iddo: I thought all releases stayed the same
[14:32] <iddo> so alpha3 was already released?
[14:32] <gnomefreak> iddo: if the link is broken they images have not yet been put on server. the non daily isos will change from a3 to a4 last part of link with tell you that
[14:32] <charlie-tca> alpha3 will not change from alpha3, but the daily releases will change every day
[14:32] <gnomefreak> iddo: there is no release of alphs
[14:32] <gnomefreak> alphas
[14:32] <iddo> so how do u call it when alpha3 becomes available?
[14:32] <gnomefreak> they are made available that is it
[14:33] <iddo> ok:)
[14:33] <gnomefreak> iddo: that way
[14:33] <iddo> alpha3 has already been made available ?
[14:33] <gnomefreak> unless the link says daily the a3 will stay a3 a4 will stay a4 ect....
[14:33] <gnomefreak> iddo: can you download it from that link?
[14:33] <gnomefreak> if it works yes if not they are not on server yet
[14:34] <iddo> yes i can download it
[14:34] <gnomefreak> iddo: than go to it
[14:35] <gnomefreak> iddo: we wont et email untill all servers are updated
[14:35] <gnomefreak> kubuntu server is not updated as im finding out
[14:35] <gnomefreak> at least sounds like it
[14:35] <Pici> But without the release notes/announcement you may run into issues that may or may not be known.
[14:36] <BluesKaj> DrHalan1, here is some advice about broken packages : http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/48910
[14:36] <iddo> but the date of http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/alpha-3/karmic-desktop-i386.iso is 22-Jul-2009 17:49  hmmmm?
[14:36] <gnomefreak> symantics ;) honestly a3 with or without release notes you can run into problems with installer/packages/updates ect...
[14:36] <gnomefreak> iddo: that was yesterday
[14:36] <gnomefreak> hint its still a3
[14:37] <gnomefreak> install it from that than do your updates OR use daily image than do updates
[14:37] <iddo> so alpha3 was made available yesterday?
[14:38] <gnomefreak> iddo: i dont think you are getting this. a3 was made avilabe right after a2 was posted from a2 ->now have been updates
[14:38] <gnomefreak> thats all that is. there is no rocket science behind it
[14:39] <iddo> i'm asking whether the file http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/alpha-3/karmic-desktop-i386.iso is gonna stay the same or be updated, whats the answer to this question?
[14:39] <gnomefreak> iddo: daily iso was a3 the day after a2 was posted so it was avilable than
[14:40] <gnomefreak> iddo: i have said and will say again unless major breakage it will stay the same
[14:40] <gnomefreak> that one question has been answered by me a few time and a few others a few time
[14:40] <gnomefreak> s
[14:41] <iddo> ok but u also said that alpha3 will be made available when it's ready later today or tomorrow
[14:42] <gnomefreak> iddo: today/tomorrw is not the same for everyone
[14:42] <gnomefreak> iddo: i know they are still spinning images and the emails have nto been sent yet
[14:43] <gnomefreak> i use rxync to update my isos 2 times a week or so
[14:43] <gnomefreak> so i only have to download once
[14:43] <charlie-tca> Also, the topic in this channel is updated when the alpha release is changed
[14:43] <iddo> so why wasnt the topic updated?
[14:43] <gnomefreak> that happens when we get devel list email
[14:43] <Pici> because the release announcement hasn't been made.
[14:44] <charlie-tca> because alpha3 is not officially released yet
[14:44] <iddo> but the actual iso is available since yesterday ?
[14:44]  * gnomefreak thinks if this has confused you so much that maybe installing an alpha release maybe not best thing for you
[14:44] <Moult> heh
[14:44] <gnomefreak> iddo: download or dont but our answers will not change
[14:45] <iddo> i downloaded it
[14:45] <gnomefreak> iddo: good than lets drop it
[14:45] <iddo> in it there's file README.diskdefines
[14:45] <iddo> it says #define DISKNAME  Ubuntu 9.10 "Karmic Koala" - Alpha i386
[14:46] <iddo> i dont see any other info
[14:46] <gnomefreak> iddo: if you are looking for things to be wrong than i suggest you stop. either use it or dont
[14:46] <gnomefreak> iddo: the name means nothing
[14:47] <Pici> The disk won't identify itself as Alpha 3 if thats what you're looking for.
[14:50] <iddo> ok cool, im gonna try to install it now
[14:52] <Dimitree> hello :) can i ask about Vdpau in Karmic ? Will it be used ? Is it comming ? xine-vdpau ?
[14:59] <BluesKaj> Dimitree, check your package manager to locate vdpau driver support by your graphics card
[14:59] <Oli``> Dimitree: it's in jaunty if you have a new enough nvidia driver
[15:00] <Dimitree> xine-vdpau is not i think ?
[15:00] <BluesKaj> the 7 series and up nvidia supports it
[15:00] <Dimitree> when i search for vdpau in synaptic it only shows the nvidia-vdpau dev
[15:00] <BluesKaj> Dimitree, mostly mplayer right now
[15:00] <Oli``> xine, maybe not but it's in mplayer
[15:01] <Dimitree> Karmic mplayer uses vdpau now ?
[15:01] <Oli``> it can, go through the settings in gmplayer
[15:01] <Dimitree> awesome :) <---updates to karmic
[15:01] <Oli``> again, provided you have a new nvidia driver... the default nvidia driver is still quite old
[15:01] <Oli``> what, wait
[15:01] <Oli``> you can do all that in jaunty
[15:01] <Dimitree> hmm
[15:02] <Oli``> just install the beta nvidia driver... you'd have to do that in karmic anyway
[15:02] <Dimitree> but 180 supports vdpau ?!
[15:03] <Dimitree> which beta driver are you talking about Oli``  ?
[15:03] <Oli``> sorry yes, I'm talking out my hat (my media center has an ION graphics chipset that needed the latest drivers), ignore me
[15:03] <Dimitree> anyway congrats on Alpha 3 :)
[15:03] <yofel> Dimitree: use https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates for a never nvidia driver in jaunty
[15:03] <Oli``> but in gmplayer's options, there should be an option for selecting vdpau as the video driver
[15:04] <BluesKaj> Dimitree, look in synaptic for nvidia-180-libvdpau-dev
[15:04] <Dimitree> BluesKaj, yes ihave that installed already
[15:04] <Dimitree> my probblem is that i need xine-vdpau which will work with Kaffeine for my DVB-S2 card for Satellite HD channels
[15:04] <Dimitree> so it's complicated :)
[15:05] <Oli``> compile it yourself?
[15:05] <Dimitree> i tryed compiling xine-vdpau from their repos but then i have two xine installations and Kaffeine get's confused which one to use
[15:05] <Oli``> remove the other =)
[15:05] <Dimitree> so i was wondering if in Karmic xine-vdpau will work :)
[15:05] <BluesKaj> Dimitree, I haven't tried any HD content on my pc so I can't advise about whether it works on Karmic or not
[15:05] <Dimitree> also xine-vdpau need the latest ffmpeg and so on :/
[15:06] <Dimitree> Oli``, the last time i removed xine with synaptic it removed EVERYTHING lol :D
[15:06] <gnomefreak> xine isw optional it shouldnt remove myuch except xine libs and such
[15:06] <Dimitree> BluesKaj, so Karmic is not paying much attention to HD content yet ?
[15:07] <Dimitree> gnomefreak, well it removed everything, gnome sessions, everything ... i was litteraly watching the OS destroy itself haha
[15:09] <Dimitree> well i hope Karmic will pay more attention to HD content, i mean HD is old news in windows and on Linux it's nto even working out of the box yet which is sad i think :)
[15:10] <DrHalan1> Dimitree: are you on 64bit?
[15:10] <Dimitree> no but my PC is capable
[15:10] <gnomefreak> DrHalan1: you should beable to remove /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/mozilla-plugin-gnash
[15:10] <gnomefreak> DrHalan1: that might fix it but remember to use sudo rm to do it
[15:11] <DrHalan1> its just that w64codecs is missing some features i think
[15:11] <DrHalan1> compared to w32codecs
[15:11] <DrHalan1> i have troubles with sounds and hd
[15:12] <Dimitree> any idea if kubuntu is more HD friendly ?
[15:14] <gnomefreak> i doubt it
[15:15] <gnomefreak> i would think its more of a video/drivers than system
[15:17] <Dimitree> i was wondering which alpha 3 to test thats all :)
[15:17] <dupondje> gvfs & samba is still broken :(
[15:19] <DrHalan1> gnomefreak: thanks but didn't hlep much
[15:20] <gnomefreak> didnt help "much"?
[15:21] <gnomefreak> it may have a different name i was taking that from another bug, today is insanly busy so far and its not 10:30am yet
[15:21] <gnomefreak> ok im gone i have to backup and run rsync again
[15:22] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/393012
[15:22] <dupondje> this is LOW ?
[15:22] <dupondje> gvfs doesn't work for samba
[15:32] <dupondje> Brasero also broken :( can't find a single dvd writer
[15:35] <charlie-tca> dupondje: bug 397906
[15:37] <dupondje> charlie-tca: not only blank cd
[15:37] <dupondje> just nothing gets detected
[15:37] <dupondje> no drives
[15:37] <charlie-tca> well, getting worse, then
[15:38] <charlie-tca> usb drive?
[15:38] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brasero/+bug/397776
[15:38] <dupondje> usb & internal
[16:06] <DanaG> Heh, what is it with newspapers making headlines unintelligible by removing too many articles?
[16:06] <DanaG> "Helping needy runs in this teen's family" -- what the heck's a "needy run"?
[16:06] <DanaG> =þ
[16:06] <alteregoa> hmm skype doesnt work, the audio output
[16:07] <DanaG> Might be worth getting a USB headset for Skype, then telling PA not to use that device at all, by setting it to "Disabled" in pavucontrol.
[16:07] <DanaG> That'll free it up so Skype can hog it, without conflict.
[16:08] <alteregoa> someone unify those audio crap, alsa pulse and oss, i hate that crap, one standard not hundrets
[16:09] <DanaG> Doesn't help that some software -- such as Wine -- has broken implementations of ALSA... and then refuse to accept a native-PulseAudio driver.
[16:09] <Mohero> someone say skype...
[16:09]  * Mohero shivers
[16:09] <Mohero> skype is a virus...
[16:09] <alteregoa> yeah and you drive a proprietary car
[16:09] <alteregoa> so walk with open source shoes
[16:09] <alteregoa> because your car has patents
[16:10] <Mohero> actuially, my car is pretty open source, I have the manuals for it, and I repair it all myself... :P
[16:10] <Mohero> i'm not against skype because it's proprietary
[16:10] <DanaG> I don't have issues with proprietary software if it works... but when it doesn't, that's what I hate.
[16:10] <Mohero> I'm against it because it was programmed to act in the same way that a botnet works
[16:10] <alteregoa> whaetver i don't care if its proprietary or not
[16:11] <DanaG> Bonus points for crap software that's proprietary and damn-expensive, such as the Xilinx tools.  =þ
[16:11] <alteregoa> whatever i can afford it
[16:16] <Andphe> hey guys, what is "9.10 Alpha 3 Experiment B" ?
[16:16] <Andphe> from google search
[16:19] <dupondje> printing pdf seems to be broken also :(
[16:19] <dupondje> yeey
[16:24] <om26er> please tell me where to download alpha2
[16:24] <om26er> okkk
[16:25] <dupondje> GIMP doesn't shutdown cleanly :
[16:25] <dupondje> damn :(
[16:37] <kit_> hi, i've just upgraded to 9.10 and can't find the configuration for the gdm face browser/login manager. in 9.04 there was a link in [system][preferences/administration] titles "login"-something. is there a replacement on 9.10 ?hi, i've just upgraded to 9.10 and can't find the configuration for the gdm face browser/login manager. in 9.04 there was a link in [system][preferences/administration] titles "login"-something. is there a rep
[16:37] <kit_> lacement on 9.10 ?
[16:37] <kit_> *replacement?
[16:38] <drs305> kit_: The gdm gui interface hasn't been incorporated into karmic yet.
[16:40] <kit_> ah, awesome. i was going crazy trying to find it. thanks.
[16:41] <Pici> kit_: It was mentioned in the  announcement.
[16:43] <iddo> hmm grub was changed.... where is menu.lst ?
[16:43] <iddo> or how to tell grub to autodetect winxp partition?
[16:43] <om26er> when did alpha 3 released
[16:43] <Pici> om26er: today
[16:43] <om26er> ok
[16:44] <dupondje> !tell ido grub2
[16:44] <dupondje> !grub2
[16:44] <Pici> bug 402795
[16:45] <iddo> but grub says that it's version 1.92, not grub2 ?
[16:45] <om26er> I am getting the error with live cd I downloaded before
[16:45] <yofel> iddo: 1.92 is grub2, refer to dual-booting on the wiki page for a possible workaround
[16:46] <om26er> I downloaded this
[16:46] <om26er> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook-remix/daily-live/20090723/
[16:46] <om26er> is it any different from alpha3??
[16:46] <yofel> om26er: what error?
[16:47] <kit_> Pici: ah, i didn't read the announcement. temporarily added the karmic repos to jaunty to install some new packages, kernel, e2fsprogs, deluge, clamav and when i was looking through the available packages decided it might be safer to just do the dist upgrade. it's a new install anyway and i've got jaunty on another partition so am just being experimental.
[16:48] <om26er> kit_: talkin abt alpha3?
[16:48] <iddo> thanks, looking into grub...
[16:49] <om26er> how to add karmic respos in jaunty??
[16:49] <kit_> can't tell, i just added a line with karmic using the same syntax as jaunty to the end of sources.list
[16:49] <Pici> You shouldn't.
[16:50] <om26er> Pici: I am just installing alpha3 on my netbook
[16:50] <Dimitree> omg Alpha 3 is so broken :)
[16:50] <om26er> what are the known issues in alpha3
[16:50] <om26er> any link?
[16:50] <Dimitree> i can't install anything using GUI
[16:51] <kit_> then ran update manager which offered a partial dist upgrade so did that, then after rebooting finetuned sources.list and upgraded remaining packages
[16:51] <Pici> om26er: Then you should use the recommended upgrade process, which isn't changing your sources.list.
[16:52] <iddo> whats broken? i ran update-manager on alpha3 and only very few updates there, and they installed ok
[16:52] <om26er> Pici: I am gonna make clean install on an external disk
[16:52] <Dimitree> nautilus crashed when trying to install Opera from .deb file, and also Add/Remove doesn't want to install anything saying there was a problem installing this application for everything :) Synaptic doesn't want to start after Authentication screen
[16:52] <mvo> Dimitree: what does "sudo apt-get install -f" give you (in a terminal)?
[16:53] <Dimitree> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[16:53] <Dimitree> mvo i managed to install xchat with terminal otherwise with add/remove it doesnt work for anything
[16:53] <mvo> Dimitree: and sudo synpatic - does that print anythig on the terminal if you try to install something?
[16:53] <Dimitree> sudo: synpatic: command not found
[16:54] <Dimitree> oops thats a typo
[16:54] <Dimitree> mvo ok with sudo synaptic it runs :)
[16:54] <mvo> Dimitree: ok, so please run "gnome-app-install" now and see if it prints anything in the terminal when you try to install something :)
[16:55] <iddo> simply running update-grub auto-detected my winxp partition, works fine
[16:55] <iddo> it's grub 1.96 not 1.92 sorry
[16:56] <iddo> i wonder why the alpha3 installer didnt auto-detect the winxp partition?
[16:56] <om26er> what is the boot time??
[16:56] <yofel> om26er: ~20s in most cases
[16:56] <om26er> yofel: so faster than jaunty
[16:57] <iddo> actually its not partition, its the two separate flash harddisks of eee901
[16:57] <yofel> om26er: yes :)
[16:57] <Dimitree> mvo no problems now, but i guess that's because i'm starting app-instal from terminal with sudo, meaning that it's already running with root, but if i run it the normal way, it simply reports that there was a problem installing the application after authentication, synaptic also doesn't run after authentication. trying to install stuff from .deb files also doesn't work so any idea whys that ? :)
[16:57] <iddo> i think grub installed itself to the 2nd harddisk now, i had to swap them in bios
[16:58] <Dimitree> mvo ok that's weird i just tryed to install from .deb file and it worked laso :/
[16:58] <yofel> Dimitree: any output when running 'gksu synaptic' from a terminal?
[16:58] <Dimitree> thats so confusing ...
[16:58] <yofel> if the apps not opening that should be a authentication failure in gksu
[16:58] <Dimitree> yofel i will restart now to see if the problem is still there, i did restart before and it was so brb o-o
[17:01] <Dimitree> yep same thing
[17:01] <Dimitree> restarted, tryed to start synaptic from System>admin , authenticated and it didnt run
[17:01] <Dimitree> i guess it starts only from terminal
[17:01] <Dimitree> is this a known bug ?
[17:03] <iddo> can i install gnome3 and gnome-shell ?
[17:05] <Dimitree> something esle that's not working is trying to drag and drop icons from Applications to the taskbar, for example trying to drag and drop Terminal to the taskbar fail with the icon simply dissapearing whyle dragging it
[17:06] <alteregoa> someone should integrate a browser into nautilus
[17:07] <alteregoa> using gtk  +3
[17:07] <alteregoa> and webkit
[17:09] <Dimitree> yofel, is it safe to pastebin the output from gksu synaptic and post it here ?
[17:10] <iddo> the slow intel graphics problem is seemed to be fixed
[17:10] <yofel> Dimitree: what do you mean by *safe*?
[17:10] <yofel> iddo: well, it has at least gotten much better
[17:11] <Dimitree> yofel, http://pastebin.com/m3497f108
[17:11] <iddo> in fact the glxgears numbers don't seem to make sense... i get up to 2500 fps and average 2000+ fps, compared to winxp (qtgears) with 1000 fps
[17:11] <Dimitree> Synaptic doesn't start after authentication :/
[17:12] <iddo> in ubuntu 8.10 glxgears was terrible, like 200 fps and less
[17:12] <iddo> 2500 fps seems unreal, it's only atom 1.6ghz cpu
[17:13] <mvo> Dimitree: *weehhh* looks like a crash in gksu :/
[17:13] <Dimitree> what can i do o-o
[17:18] <Dimitree> is this happening only to me ?
[17:18] <Dimitree> all i did was a fresh alpha3 install and then updated and installed Nvidia drivers
[17:18] <Dimitree> from the hardware manager
[17:19] <big---ben> Dimitree: i just joined. what happened to you?
[17:19] <big---ben> I just installed karmic and my graphic card isn't working either
[17:19] <Dimitree> no idea :) synaptic doesn't start after authentication  http://pastebin.com/m3497f108
[17:19] <big---ben> oh. then it looks like something else
[17:20] <Dimitree> add/remove doesnt want to install program also when i run it from the menue
[17:20] <big---ben> Dimitree: you got your 3d-graphic acceleration working?
[17:20] <Dimitree> from terminal with root everything works tho
[17:20] <Dimitree> big---ben, yep
[17:21] <Dimitree> also i can't drag and drop icons from the menues to the taskbar, they dissapear in mid air :)
[17:21] <big---ben> ooh. looks like i just got it working. a restart will tell :)
[17:22] <Dimitree> afk shop
[17:22] <om26er> hi
[17:22] <Oli``> Is it possible to get access to the old volume control?
[17:24] <yofel> Dimitree: check if you have installed all updates and when it still crashes after that report a bug with apport
[17:26] <Dimitree> yofel, all updates are installed, i also switched to the main server to see if anything is missing on the mirror but it says that system is up to date
[17:27] <Dimitree> yofel, what information i should include in such a report ? i mean just saying "it doesn't work" wouldn't be much helpful ?
[17:28] <yofel> Dimitree: enable apport in /etc/default/apport. Then run 'sudo /etc/init.d/apport start' or reboot. Then crash gksu again and apport should come up
[17:29] <Dimitree> yofel, i already reported one bug but it was saying that Nautilus crashed, is it possible that this is the one ?
[17:29] <ryanakca> Is anybody else experiencing a segfault with sudo? http://pastebin.ca/1504495
[17:30] <yofel> Dimitree: no, it should say that gksu had crashed, nautilus should be untrelated to this
[17:30]  * yofel feels this channel is going to be really busy today thanks to alpha3...
[17:32] <Dimitree> yofel umm how do i enable it in etc default ? change settings or something ? :) sorry i'm noob
[17:33] <yofel> Dimitree: 'sudo gedit /etc/default/apport' and change enabled=0 to enabled=1 if it isn't already so
[17:33] <Dimitree> yofel, it is enabled but it doesnt come up when gksudo crashes ?
[17:35] <yofel> Dimitree: anything in /var/crash with gksu in the filename?
[17:35] <Dimitree> nope
[17:35] <Dimitree> nautlius and _usr_bin_ubuntuone-client-applet.1000
[17:37] <yofel> Dimitree: then report a bug with 'ubuntu-bug gksu' and attach you crash to the bug report
[17:38] <Dimitree> yofel, the one i posted on pastebin ?
[17:38] <yofel> yes
[17:38] <Dimitree> ok thanks :0
[17:38] <Dimitree> :)
[17:38] <tanath> my computer won't boot again >.< fixed UUID issue, and booted, then hibernated, and now it hangs on boot
[17:58] <billybigrigger> tanath: whats the error message?
[17:58] <billybigrigger> or where does it hang?
[17:59] <tanath> no error. hangs after detecting a usb device
[17:59] <tanath> the mouse i think it was
[18:00] <tanath> recently it hung there for a few seconds, but now it doesn't progress beyond that point
[18:03] <billybigrigger> well what does dmesg say?
[18:03] <billybigrigger> can you start in recovery mode?
[18:04] <andresmh> I installed Firefox 3.5 from Synaptic. For some reason Java applets don't work (shows gray square) but it works on FF3.0.11. Any ideas?
[18:04] <andresmh> IcedTea is listed as a plugin in my FF3.5.1. I also tried installing the Java Sun plugin from Synaptic but it didn't solve the problem.
[18:05] <yofel> andresmh: afaik the openjdk applet doesn't work with ffx 3.5. you can install the sun java plugin and remove openjdk
[18:09] <tanath> recovery mode doesn't work
[18:10] <andresmh> yofel, OK, I just installed java sun plugin with synaptic. Then I disabled IcedTea plugin from FF3.5.1. Now it doesn't even show the gray square when trying to display applets.
[18:11] <andresmh> do I need to reboot?
[18:11] <yofel> no idea really, wfm
[18:12] <andresmh> is the plan to relase Karmic with FF3.5.1?
[18:13] <yofel> andresmh: yes
[18:15] <BluesKaj> heh, just had a guy ask me how to install internet explorer :)
[18:15] <alteregoa> yeah a good browser
[18:15] <alteregoa> faster then ff
[18:15] <alteregoa> spaghetti code FF
[18:16] <tanath> fx
[18:17] <taneli> karmic has been broken for a few weeks now, why no session is started after logging to x? All i get is the background picture ...
[18:17] <BluesKaj> running konq as default and sometimes opera..ff has become slow
[18:20] <iddo> agreed ff is slow, but why not run chrome ?
[18:22] <taneli> strace shows that applications are left hanging in poll() with nothing drawn on screen
[18:22] <taneli> jaunty works ok
[18:22] <taneli> any ideas?
[18:25] <BluesKaj>  have chromium but it doen't autoload the plugins with the command "chromium-browser --enable-plugins" and  I was warned not to set up an alias in bashrc ...dunno why tho
[18:26] <BluesKaj> iddo, oops it doesn't load the plugins without the command "chromium-browser --enable-plugins"
[18:28] <BluesKaj> iddo, konqueror is really quite good right now , I'm happy with it
[18:38] <DanaG> oh yeah, anyone else get "unable to read from resource" when trying to play a DVD in totem?
[18:39] <iddo> not sure about konq, but chrome is fast
[18:39] <iddo> and chrome is gtk not qt
[18:40] <iddo> with --enable-plugins flash etc. works well
[18:42] <om26er> how to install flash package manager does not have it
[18:43] <DanaG> !info flashplugin-installer
[18:44] <DanaG> Oh yeah, does the 64-bit-native one crash any less often than the 32-bit, nspluginwrapper'd one?
[18:49] <carl0s-> Can someone tell me a quick way to burn an ISO to a disk? Brasero isn't seeing any recording devices anymore.. I guess something to do with the change of hal or dbus or whatever it was.
[18:51] <hifi> carl0s-: wodim /path/to/image.iso
[18:53] <carl0s-> hifi, awesome - thanks :)
[18:53] <hifi> all/most burners are just frontends to wodim
[18:53] <hifi> burning softwares I mean
[18:55] <yofel> DanaG: I get much less crashes with the native 64bit one, at least that's the impression I get
[18:55] <Dimitree> how to install Karnel Sources "***WARNING:*** You do not have the full kernel sources installed." ?
[18:55] <carl0s-> hifi, I see. Am I right that Brasero sees no disks because hal is being depreciated ?
[18:55] <hifi> I have no idea
[18:57] <carl0s-> Suspend / Resume on my Desktop with nVidia card is a nightmare. Known issue? X doesn't hang, but the mouse/keyboard don't work. I have to kill and restart X.
[19:01] <DanaG> Then again, at least with nspluginwrapper, you can killall -9 npviewer.bin
[19:05] <om26er2> ?
[19:07] <DanaG> a single question mark?  what kind of question is that?
[19:08] <om26er2> DanaG: that was a mistake
[19:08] <om26er2> and was nt any question
[19:08] <DanaG> =þ
[19:14] <om26er2> how to leave ?
[19:14] <Pici> /part
[19:22] <iddo> can i install gnome3 and gnome-shell ?
[19:23] <zniavre> hello / bonsoir
[19:23] <zniavre> is it possible to connect irc chanel with empathy ?
[19:37] <om26er> grub had a file menu.lst so does any1 knw is there a file like that to edit
[19:37] <om26er> in grub2
[19:41] <drs305> Here is a thread I made on Grub 2: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275
[19:41] <drs305> And here is the thread billybigrigger created: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[19:42] <drs305> om26er: The equivalent of menu.lst is /boot/grub/grub.cfg but unlike menu.lst it is not meant to be edited. The links explain it.
[19:51] <om26er> i got this error while saving grub.cfg
[19:51] <om26er> You are trying to save the file on a read-only disk. Please check that you typed the location correctly and try again
[19:53] <drs305> The grub.cfg file is read-only by design. The correct way to change it's contents is to edit the files in /etc/grub.d and then run update-grub.
[19:55] <drs305> You can edit it if you want but will have to make it writable. One of the first lines in the file is something to he effect of "Do not edit this file". Of course you can, but it's not designed that way.
[19:56] <om26er> how to edit grub.d
[19:57] <cPF> try mount -o remount,rw /boot/
[19:57] <drs305> om26er: It's mostly in the links I provided. Read them and if you still have questions someone here can help.
[19:57] <cPF> and edit as root or with sudo
[19:57] <drs305> om26er: grub.d is the folder the boot configuration scripts are located in.
[19:57] <om26er> ok i found it
[19:58] <drs305> The normal ones for editing are 05_debian_themes,  00_header and 40_custom
[19:59] <drs305> The others automatically search for installed OS's and kernels.
[19:59] <om26er> ok what do i do with custom
[19:59] <om26er> shud i gedit?
[20:02] <drs305> om26er: What are you trying to do?
[20:02] <om26er> i am trying to add the uuid of my memory card
[20:02] <drs305> 40_custom is a place to put manual entries that will be added to grub.cfg when update-grub is run.
[20:03] <om26er> cuz jaunty is installed on it
[20:03] <drs305> And when you run update-grub it isn't seen?
[21:00] <iddo> how to change auto-login ? the login preferences (gdm) are gone
[21:35] <ripps> iddo: you have to edit /etc/gdm/custom.conf
[21:40] <Bookman> I have 9.10 Alpha installed in VirtualBox.  Can I install the guest additions for it, and will it allow true full screen?
[21:51] <Bookman> Maybe a better question.  How do I install the Guest Additions?
[21:54] <yofel> hi BUGabundo
[21:57] <BUGabundo> hey everyone
[21:57] <BUGabundo> hey yofel
[21:59] <billybigrigger> hey
[22:01] <BUGabundo> hey billybigrigger coz_ kklimonda BluesKaj cwillu
[22:01] <coz_> BUGabundo,  hey guy
[22:02] <BUGabundo> hggdh: maxb  rww Twigathy
[22:02] <Twigathy> hm?
[22:02] <BUGabundo> and everyone else I may have missed :)
[22:02] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: ^^^^ (hi)
[22:02]  * Twigathy is lurking :)
[22:03] <BUGabundo> dude how did the stats go?
[22:03] <BUGabundo> from your server it did load ok
[22:03] <BUGabundo> from your PC it was tooooo slow :\
[22:03] <Twigathy> yeah, it stayed up just fine :)
[22:03] <Twigathy> The ADSL-hosted one made my net connection crawl a bit!
[22:03] <Twigathy> http://twigathy.com/stats/net.eth0.rx-day.png <-- wibbleyness ;)
[22:04] <Twigathy> I don't have webalizer installed so don't know the precise number that hit the site :o
[22:18] <AnAnt_> Hello, how does karmic support PPA in it's software properties ?
[22:19] <ikonia> AnAnt_: same way as every other release
[22:20] <hggdh> BUGabundo, what?
[22:20] <AnAnt_> I heard that there is some support for PPA somehow
[22:20] <hggdh> ah. Hey BUGabundo :-)
[22:20] <BUGabundo> hey hggdh, tudo bom amigo?
[22:20] <hggdh> tudo bem, la nave va
[22:20] <ikonia> AnAnt_: ppa is supported on any release
[22:20] <BUGabundo> hey ikonia!!! [[]]
[22:20] <ikonia> hello
[22:21] <AnAnt_> hang on
[22:21] <BUGabundo> AnAnt_: what you may have heard is about apt-url changes! right?
[22:21] <AnAnt_> I meant that, it would ease adding of PPA repos
[22:21] <ikonia> AnAnt_: no more/less than any other release
[22:21] <AnAnt_> BUGabundo: maybe, what's that ?
[22:21] <ikonia> I think there are PPA options in the software sources menu
[22:21] <ikonia> AnAnt_: something I would advise against using
[22:22] <ikonia> AnAnt_: it will allow you to apt-get automatically from webpages, but i wouldn't trust that sort of automated downloading
[22:22] <AnAnt_> ikonia: I don't see PPA options in software sources menu
[22:22] <ikonia> AnAnt_: it may not be there yet
[22:22] <BUGabundo> ikonia: AnAnt_ also _finally_ LP fixed auto version detection.
[22:22] <BUGabundo> making it less prone to using the wrong version
[22:23] <BUGabundo> its nice to is from Debian, asking to choose a _supported_ one eheh
[22:23] <AnAnt_> BUGabundo: I don't understand you
[22:24] <BUGabundo> no one does
[22:24] <BUGabundo> don't bother :p
[22:25] <ikonia> AnAnt_: research apt-url
[22:25] <ikonia> AnAnt_: but my personal opinion is to not use tools like that, but that's only a personal opinion
[22:26] <BUGabundo> I'm still waiting where it will lead
[22:27] <BUGabundo> if indeed we end up with a *very* restriced version, then its now use
[22:29] <AnAnt_> ikonia: I don't think it's apt-url what I'm looking for
[22:29] <AnAnt_> Micheal Vogt (mvo) was working on a feature to ease adding PPA to software sources (the GUI thing)
[22:29] <AnAnt_> and to make it automatically pull the GPG key of the PPA repo
[22:30] <ikonia> AnAnt_: how hard is it to edit a text file ?
[22:30] <AnAnt_> ikonia: for me or for other users ?
[22:30] <ikonia> in general
[22:31] <BUGabundo> ikonia: very hard
[22:31] <yofel> ikonia: the ppa support in software-sources
[22:31] <ikonia> do you think that if someone can't edit a text file they should be using development/personal/unsupported versions of software
[22:31] <BUGabundo> alias addkey='sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com'
[22:31] <BUGabundo> I use this to make it easier :)
[22:31] <yofel> ikonia: ... *was* indeed improved
[22:31] <ikonia> BUGabundo: that would be something very useful to add to the default bash profile
[22:31] <AnAnt_> ikonia: sometimes, yes
[22:32] <ikonia> I %101 disagree
[22:32] <BUGabundo> ikonia: and very dangerouse
[22:32] <AnAnt_> yofel: ?
[22:32] <BUGabundo> it forces the key without validation
[22:32] <yofel> errr... add-apt-repostory adds the sources line to software.sources.d *and* imports the signing key
[22:32] <ikonia> BUGabundo: no more than letting someone who can't add a text file update use development version
[22:32] <yofel> just like the gui does now
[22:33] <BUGabundo> ikonia: messing with a text file on /etc is ever *dangerouse*
[22:33] <ikonia> no more / less than letting someone of that level use development/unsupported software
[22:33] <AnAnt_> ikonia: if the PPA isn't for development version, but for software that isn't in official ubuntu repos for some reason (for example, some Debian policy violations in the package)
[22:33]  * yofel gets the feeling that ikonia and BUBabundo went off into a discussion that has nothing to do with AnAnt_s question
[22:34] <ikonia> yofel: yes a little
[22:34] <ikonia> AnAnt_: I'd still not agree with it
[22:34] <AnAnt_> well, some need it
[22:34] <ikonia> I'd personally disagree with it
[22:34] <ikonia> AnAnt_: got an example package ?
[22:35] <yofel> ikonia: I know that ppas can be very useful *and* very dangerous, but that's no reason to tell people that they're evil
[22:35] <AnAnt_> ikonia: I'm working on a distro (called Sabily) based on Ubuntu, just with a few additional packages
[22:35] <ikonia> yofel: I'm not telling people they are evil
[22:35] <ikonia> AnAnt_: that's nothing to do with ubuntu
[22:35] <ikonia> AnAnt_: I'm asking something in relation to ubuntu
[22:35] <AnAnt_> ikonia: ok, I don
[22:35] <BUGabundo> AnAnt_: that was where getdeb started
[22:35] <BUGabundo> but then most Ubuntu devs killed the idea
[22:36] <BUGabundo> now joaopinto has lots of trouble to make it look a legit proj
[22:36] <BUGabundo> which it is!
[22:36] <ikonia> legit to who ?
[22:36] <BUGabundo> oh boy
[22:36] <AnAnt> ikonia: ok, I don't see a point in this discussion. I was asking about a feature that Ubuntu said that they will apply, not asking to debate about wether it is valid feature or not
[22:36] <joaopinto> hi
[22:37] <joaopinto> BUGabundo, playdeb beta 2 went live this week
[22:37] <BUGabundo> woot
[22:37] <BUGabundo> AnAnt: eheh
[22:38] <joaopinto> AnAnt, I have choosen to provide an .deb which adds the required repos and gpg keys
[22:38] <joaopinto> I know something is being worked on the software properties, but it is not automated, mvo was working on it, yes
[22:39] <AnAnt> joaopinto: well, I done this too, but when I knew about this feature, I think this .deb won't be needed anymore
[22:39] <yofel> AnAnt: in Software Sources - Tab 'Third Party Software' you can add the ppa as 'ppa:<user>/<ppaname>' like ppa:do-core/ppa for example, that will add the ppa and import the signing key
[22:39] <AnAnt> yofel: thanks
[22:39] <BUGabundo> AnAnt: joaopinto: well ubuntuone does the same thing
[22:39] <ikonia> yofel: ahh that was what I was looking for
[22:40] <BUGabundo> yofel: nice....
[22:40]  * BUGabundo checks
[22:40] <joaopinto> AnAnt, that feature is for ppa's, not for repositories in general
[22:40] <yofel> 'add-apt-repostory ppa:do-core/ppa' will do the same from the commmand line
[22:40] <BUGabundo> ahh cli is always better
[22:41] <yofel> BUGabundo: ;)
[22:41] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache search add-apt
[22:41] <BUGabundo> add-apt-key
[22:41] <BUGabundo> humm
[22:41] <BUGabundo> not there
[22:41] <BUGabundo> is it a package? or a funtion?
[22:42] <AnAnt> yofel: cool, thanks
[22:42] <yofel> BUGabundo: 'add-apt-repository' belongs to the python-software-properties package
[22:43] <BUGabundo> ok
[22:43] <AnAnt> cool, that worked
[22:43] <AnAnt> and it fetched the GPG key
[22:44]  * BUGabundo wonders if BUGabundo should file a wish bug for gnome do to support that :)))
[22:44] <yofel> lol
[22:44] <BUGabundo> wasn't there a Do Dev here?
[22:44] <BUGabundo> who was he.....
[22:44] <BUGabundo> damn my bad memory
[22:45] <BUGabundo> but then again my last wish bug for DO has been open and untouch since day one :(
[22:45] <BUGabundo> I just wanted it to include paste.ubuntu.com :(
[22:48]  * BUGabundo wonder some more, on if I should start kdepim bug squashing season.....
[22:48] <BUGabundo> they are sooo many and on every release
[22:49] <AnAnt> thanks for the help fellas
[22:49] <BUGabundo> np
[22:51] <BUGabundo> great
[22:51] <BUGabundo> now UM won't install updates
[22:55] <DrHalan1> hm is everybody fine with empathy being default now?
[22:56] <BUGabundo> Pidgin lover here
[22:57] <th1> hi
[22:58] <BUGabundo> hey th1
[22:58] <th1> the netbook support is great in karmic I just upgraded my eee 1000he :)
[22:59] <th1> some crashes of course but they had all been reported already
[22:59] <natewiebe13> after blacklisting floppy.. you are supposed to run update-initramfs .. what variable is it?
[22:59] <natewiebe13> -u?
[22:59] <th1> but the sound volume is just way too low. I saw there was a bug filed, due to 2 volume control appplets but it was fixed as of yesterday. but now the volume is still low and I can't find any other bug reports. Should I file a new one?
[23:00] <natewiebe13> for some reason.. one controls pcm and the other controls master
[23:00] <natewiebe13> what you have to do is run alsamixer in terminal and crank master and pcm
[23:00] <natewiebe13> th1: try that
[23:01] <natewiebe13> th1: and then let me know if that fixes it
[23:01] <th1> they are already maxed out :/ first thing I tried.. second thing was upgrade bios
[23:01] <BUGabundo> natewiebe13: that's with billybigrigger
[23:01] <BUGabundo> he is the resident expert :)
[23:01] <billybigrigger> ?
[23:01] <natewiebe13> after blacklisting floppy.. you are supposed to run update-initramfs .. anyone know what variable?
[23:01] <yofel> natewiebe13: use 'update-initramfs -u -k all'
[23:02] <BUGabundo> th1: install pavucontrol and pavman
[23:02] <BUGabundo> check gains there
[23:02] <billybigrigger> -u should do it
[23:02] <natewiebe13> thanks
[23:02] <th1> BUGabundo, no package matches pavman, installing pavucontrol now
[23:02]  * billybigrigger thinks....
[23:02] <billybigrigger> haha should have thought before i spoke
[23:03] <natewiebe13> also.. anyone know why the mixer applet controls pcm and the volume on my keyboard controls master?
[23:03] <BUGabundo> !search pavman
[23:03] <th1> BUGabundo, in pavucontrol it's maced out too
[23:03] <th1> maxed out even
[23:03] <BUGabundo> th1: paman
[23:03] <billybigrigger> anyone here good with cherry picking kernel commits from kernel.org? i wish sarvatt was around
[23:04] <natewiebe13> anyone know why the mixer applet controls pcm and the volume on my keyboard controls master?
[23:04] <th1> BUGabundo, paman has tons of info but no volume control. Anything particular I'm looking for?
[23:05] <BUGabundo> th1: the advanced option to control GAIN
[23:05] <BUGabundo> I had a control on 50% and several on 999999%
[23:06] <natewiebe13> BUGabundo: do you know why the volume applet controls pcm and not master volume?
[23:06] <billybigrigger> everyone here still have 2 volume applets?
[23:06] <billybigrigger> i lost 1 today
[23:06] <natewiebe13> 1
[23:06] <billybigrigger> k good
[23:06] <natewiebe13> the 1 that i have controls pcm
[23:06] <th1> BUGabundo, that's got it
[23:07] <th1> BUGabundo, when it's on 200% then it's about how it was before I upgraded to Karmic and on par with XP
[23:07] <natewiebe13> BUGabundo: do you know why the volume applet controls pcm and not master volume?
[23:08] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: only one
[23:08] <BUGabundo> natewiebe13: now
[23:08] <BUGabundo> *no
[23:08] <th1> BUGabundo, are you gonna take it from here or should I file a bug with this?
[23:08] <billybigrigger> oh god ubuntu's sound system/apps are just a bloody mess these days haha
[23:09] <natewiebe13> am i the only one that the volume applet controls pcm?
[23:09] <BUGabundo> th1 already enough audio bugs from me :)
[23:09] <Bookman> Does ubuntuone work with 9.10?  I've uploaded something to my account in 9.04 and 9.10 does not see it.
[23:09] <BUGabundo> if you think it's a bug, file it
[23:09] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: +100
[23:09] <BUGabundo> natewiebe13: well now *nothing* actually controls PCM
[23:09] <billybigrigger> U1 works here i think
[23:09] <BUGabundo> its flat rate, and it's a mess
[23:09] <th1> natewiebe13, after yesdterdays fixes my applet *and* my hotkeys both control Master, as it should be
[23:10] <BUGabundo> its a average of *every* app
[23:10] <natewiebe13> haha
[23:10] <th1> but the gain is still the problem
[23:10] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, did you see that bootchart i uploaded to the share folder you linked me to?
[23:10] <natewiebe13> mine controls pcm
[23:10] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: I haven't
[23:10] <Bookman> billybigrigger: you know, or you've tried from another machine?
[23:10]  * BUGabundo starts U1
[23:10] <billybigrigger> Bookman, im in 9.10
[23:10] <billybigrigger> seems to work here
[23:10] <th1> ok heres something funny
[23:10] <billybigrigger> i only have 1 machine to test on though
[23:11] <Bookman> Yes, it starts up here.  But I've uploaded something on one machine running 9.04 and 9.10 never sees the files
[23:11] <Bookman> billybigrigger: understood.
[23:11] <natewiebe13> i have alsamixer in terminal and when i move the slider up and down, the pcm level is the one that moves.. and when i move the volume control on my keyboard, it moves the master volume
[23:11] <th1> if I adjust the "volume" control in paman for the card it totally distorts the sound but if I adjust it on "#12" object just below then it works
[23:11] <billybigrigger> Bookman, where are you sharing to?
[23:12] <billybigrigger> Bookman, im not sure about U1, BUGabundo sent me an invite and i uploaded 1 file to it, and haven't done much research/playing around with it
[23:12] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: 22sevs
[23:12] <BUGabundo> not bad
[23:12] <BUGabundo> I wish I new why mine takes 10 secs AFTER login :(
[23:12] <billybigrigger> loading gnome takes about just as much time as booting
[23:12] <billybigrigger> pretty sad :P
[23:13] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, i don't think your the only one
[23:13] <BUGabundo> th1: distorces 'cause of the 200%
[23:13] <th1> BUGabundo, no
[23:13] <BUGabundo> that's why I told you to check it!
[23:13] <th1> it's distorting with 200% on the Sound Card
[23:13] <natewiebe13> BUGabundo: what should i do to change the control
[23:13] <th1> but not on "#12" below
[23:13] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: lets hack your bootchart
[23:13] <th1> that fixes it
[23:13] <BUGabundo> and messure it past login too
[23:13] <billybigrigger> lets do it
[23:14] <natewiebe13> BUGabundo: also, the old sound volume left a dot on my panel
[23:14] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: #gedit /etc/rc5.d/S99stop-bootchart
[23:14] <th1> BUGabundo, the problem is its not a gain control just a volume control that goes above 100%
[23:14] <th1> as soon as I change the volume another way it gets stuck back under 100%
[23:14] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: add a sleep 30 on line 41
[23:14] <th1> I guess the "baseline" value is wrong somewhere
[23:14] <BUGabundo> let the sleep on line 42 untouched
[23:15] <BUGabundo> natewiebe13: th1: I 'm no audio expert
[23:15] <natewiebe13> okay
[23:15] <BUGabundo> join #ubuntu-audio-help and ask dtchen when he is around
[23:15] <BUGabundo> or file bugs with $ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[23:15] <th1> ok
[23:16] <th1> at least now I have a temporary workaround with the mixer in paman :)
[23:16] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, you must have an extra line in there, l41 is a comment, l42 pkill and l43 is sleep 2
[23:16] <billybigrigger> you want it before the pkill?
[23:16] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: push 41 down :)))
[23:16] <BUGabundo> 	sleep 30;
[23:16] <BUGabundo> 	# Kill the collector process, wait for it to end
[23:16] <BUGabundo> 	pkill -f /lib/bootchart/collector
[23:16] <BUGabundo> 	sleep 2
[23:16] <billybigrigger> roger
[23:16] <billybigrigger> gonna have to wait for this kernel build to finish :(
[23:17]  * BUGabundo waits for billybigrigger to reboot
[23:17] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: want a dropbox account too?
[23:17] <BUGabundo> I use it more then U1
[23:18] <BUGabundo> plus you get 250 MiBs extra with my refer
[23:18] <BUGabundo> https://www.getdropbox.com/referrals/NTExMjg5Mjk
[23:18] <Shane_Fagan> I cant wait till they bring more to U1
[23:18] <BUGabundo> Shane_Fagan: me too
[23:18] <Shane_Fagan> I cant wait for screensharing
[23:18] <Shane_Fagan> I think thats coming soon
[23:19] <Shane_Fagan> The firefox bookmark backup sounds cool too
[23:19] <th1> Shane_Fagan, it's already there with a bit of hackery :)
[23:20] <Bookman> billybigrigger: I'm sharing a file from one of my machines to another.
[23:20] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, thanks for the referral, but im good, i don't use those kind's of services anyway :P
[23:20] <Shane_Fagan> Well yeah but its not easy.
[23:20] <billybigrigger> Bookman, tried #ubuntuone?
[23:20] <billybigrigger> :P
[23:20] <Bookman> billybigrigger: good idea!
[23:20] <billybigrigger> hehe
[23:21] <billybigrigger> Bookman, btw, there's a new version coming soon to repos
[23:21] <billybigrigger> ubuntuone-client (0.91.0-0ubuntu1) karmic; urgency=low
[23:21] <billybigrigger>   * New upstream release.
[23:21] <billybigrigger> Bookman, what does $ apt-cache policy ubuntuone-client    say?
[23:22]  * BUGabundo runs U1 nightlies
[23:22]  * billybigrigger is running jaunty nightlies???? wtf
[23:22] <billybigrigger> Installed: 0.91.0+r100-0ubuntu1~ppa1~jaunty
[23:22] <billybigrigger>   Candidate: 0.91.0+r100-0ubuntu1~ppa1~jaunty
[23:23] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 0.91.0+r100-0ubuntu1~ppa1~karmic
[23:23] <billybigrigger> hmm
[23:23] <th1> ubuntu1 10$/month for 10gb lol
[23:23] <th1> thats not gonna be a huge hit is it
[23:24] <th1> Google give 10gb for $20/year
[23:25] <ikonia> th1: this is for karmick chat
[23:27] <ikonia> karmic even
[23:27] <Bookman> billybigrigger: http://pastebin.ca/1504939
[23:27] <BUGabundo> isn't karmick the frog ?
[23:28] <ikonia> ha ha, no
[23:28] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[23:29] <billybigrigger> Bookman, well new version is coming so...you might want to wait for that, it might fix your problems, or ask in #ubuntuone
[23:29] <th1> ikonia, sorry I thought it was a new feature
[23:29] <ikonia> th1: no problem
[23:30] <Bookman> billybigrigger: I asked at #ubuntuone....I seemed to have solved it for now.  Thanks for the help!  Greatly appreciated.
[23:30] <billybigrigger> p
[23:30] <billybigrigger> err
[23:30] <billybigrigger> Bookman, np
[23:30] <drs305> hey billybigrigger
[23:30] <billybigrigger> drs305, howdy
[23:31]  * BUGabundo is still waiting for billybigrigger to reboot :p
[23:31] <Shane_Fagan> lol
[23:31]  * billybigrigger is still waiting for 2.6.31-rc4 to finish compiling :P
[23:31]  * drs305 is still waiting for his pasta to finish cooking.
[23:31] <billybigrigger> hmmm pasta
[23:32] <billybigrigger> too hot to cook with the stove tonight, i'm thinking a beer and some burgers on the deck will have to do :P
[23:32] <drs305> Even better!
[23:33] <billybigrigger> hey, when did the fading on notifications start looking like crap?
[23:33] <drs305> I saw some users mention it about 3 days ago.
[23:33] <yofel> billybigrigger: you mean fuzzy?
[23:33] <billybigrigger> yeah i noticed it, just the first time i've brought it up
[23:33] <billybigrigger> yofel, yeah
[23:34] <billybigrigger> i don't get it
[23:34] <BUGabundo> and why aint pidgin putting IRC notices on OSD ?
[23:34] <yofel> I think that started when the theme was changed, and it looks really odd...
[23:34] <billybigrigger> it looks like garbage, not odd
[23:34] <billybigrigger> i think once moused over it should just close
[23:34] <BUGabundo> I'll make canonical UI devs pay for my new set of eyes
[23:34] <billybigrigger> haha
[23:34] <BUGabundo> I can't see those things :(
[23:34] <yofel> I can't remember who, but somebody complained that the notifications are fuzzy all the time for him
[23:35] <billybigrigger> he needs an eye exam
[23:35] <th1> wow the 3rd hplip update in 24 hours ;)
[23:35] <BUGabundo> hey RAOF
[23:35] <BUGabundo> there you are
[23:35] <BUGabundo> I knew it I knew some DO dev
[23:36] <BUGabundo> and you were offline
[23:36] <yofel> billybigrigger: I'm using rather small font sizes here on my system, but the notify-osd sizes are worth using a maginfier for *-.-
[23:36] <BUGabundo> +1
[23:37] <BUGabundo> and still no way to control them, theme them, change locations :(
[23:41] <billybigrigger> yofel, what size?
[23:42] <iddo> how to set password lock with md5 in grub2 ?
[23:42] <billybigrigger> i have font size set to 10 with 85 dpi
[23:42] <billybigrigger> they look fine here
[23:43] <BUGabundo> iddo: how about "good night" first ? :p
[23:43] <billybigrigger> in 1280x1024
[23:43] <Shane_Fagan> I love the new font
[23:43] <DanaG> I find the new notify-osd bubbles annoyingly skinny.
[23:43] <DanaG> And too blurry.
[23:43] <Shane_Fagan> I think they are a lot cooler
[23:44] <yofel> billybigrigger: the notifcations here are some 8 or 9pt for title and i guess 6pt for the message. The system is set to 9 with 96dpi and 1680x1050
[23:44]  * Twigathy doesn't think he's seen any of them!
[23:44] <Twigathy> oh, apparently the package is installed...
[23:44] <billybigrigger> yofel, ahh that would explain it :P i was going to say, everything looks fine here :P
[23:45] <yofel> billybigrigger: I know, but they looked ok until a while ago. And I didn't change system font sizes for quite a while
[23:46] <billybigrigger> do you read the karmic changes mailing list?
[23:46] <billybigrigger> notify-osd (0.9.15-0ubuntu1)
[23:47] <DanaG> wow, I just pushed "mute/unmute" 5 times... and the damn notify-osd lagggged like 3 seconds... and then showed only one bubble.
[23:47]  * Twigathy grins - notify-send --urgency=critical CHEESE
[23:47] <billybigrigger> there were about 10 changes, on the 21st, that all look to screw with bubble width, shadows, margins, haha
[23:47] <yofel> billybigrigger: no, I look at the changelog with aptitude when I want, I've got other MLs that take my time :P
[23:48] <DanaG> oh, no wonder it's laggy.... I'm doing a xilinx tools synthesis thingy AND running filelight, at the same time.
[23:48] <billybigrigger> yofel, check pm, that is why everything looks messed up
[23:48] <yofel> hm... *quite* some messing arout in the changelog -.-
[23:48] <billybigrigger> haha yeah alot
[23:49] <DanaG> For me, notify-osd is now like 7 centimeters wide and 1.5 centimeters tall.
[23:49] <DanaG> I'm from USA, but I hate inches.
[23:49] <BUGabundo> $ notify-send --urgency=critical CHEESE
[23:49] <BUGabundo> The program 'notify-send' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[23:49] <DanaG> =þ
[23:49] <yofel> billybigrigger: I already opened it with aptitude myself :P
[23:49] <billybigrigger> ahh
[23:49] <DanaG> Oh, and anything notify-send sends... shows up for TEN friggin' seconds.
[23:49] <DanaG> That's 8-9 seconds too long.
[23:49] <billybigrigger> why isn't any of this customizable?
[23:50] <billybigrigger> like how long notifications are displayed, title and body text fonts/sizes
[23:50] <BUGabundo> hack the code!
[23:50] <billybigrigger> ? wouldn't it make sense to let the user customize this?
[23:50] <yofel> that's what I would like to know too...
[23:50] <yofel> BUGabundo: no time for that :(
[23:50] <DanaG> Looks like they've been hanging out with Apple a bit too much.
[23:51] <Shane_Fagan> They just want some nice UI
[23:51] <Shane_Fagan> I think thats good
[23:51] <BUGabundo> Shane_Fagan: but this is LINUX
[23:51] <BUGabundo> its where WE control EVERTHING
[23:51] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, btw, just creating my kernel images and tar'ing now, so i'll be rebooting soon
[23:51] <billybigrigger> :P hehe
[23:51] <BUGabundo> not where we are told what to do :(
[23:52] <Shane_Fagan> Well they will make some kind of customisation eventually its just not the time. They want something that works well first and thats the way most people make software
[23:53] <BUGabundo> do you really think so?
[23:53] <Shane_Fagan> Tep
[23:53] <BUGabundo> unless one of the devs says so, I doubt it
[23:53] <Shane_Fagan> *Yep
[23:53] <yofel> Shane_Fagan: they would have had time for that if they hadn't broken update-manager notification behaviour...
[23:53] <BUGabundo> +1
[23:54] <Shane_Fagan> Well you have to brake some eggs to make pancakes :)
[23:54] <billybigrigger> ya but some people like blueberry pancakes, and some like strawberry, some like chocolate chip pancakes
[23:55] <billybigrigger> :P
[23:55] <Twigathy> And some prefer yorkshire puddings and require an oven
[23:55] <Shane_Fagan> Stop making me hungry
[23:55] <yofel> Shane_Fagan: well, then at least don't forget to add some sugar, they don't taste that good right now :(
[23:56] <Shane_Fagan> haha
[23:57] <billybigrigger> 35:43.53elapsed <--- fastest kernel compile i've had yet!!! haha
[23:57] <DanaG> 1.5 × 7 is nowhere near the nice golden-ratio.
[23:57] <DanaG> Sure would look a lot nicer with the bubbles in a nicer shape.
[23:58] <BUGabundo> now I want my choculate!
[23:58] <DanaG> Right now they look like somebody stuck them in a taffy puller and stretched them.
[23:58] <billybigrigger> you guys have widescreen monitors?
[23:58] <billybigrigger> looks fine on my 4:3
[23:58] <DanaG> oh yeah, and update-manager... is not a case of "we'll fix it later"... it's a "we like it this way, so neeener neeener neener"
[23:59] <BUGabundo> well it still stays on top of Firefox search
[23:59] <DanaG> Try measuring a bubble with screenruler -- with screen DPI set.
[23:59] <BUGabundo> doh forgot to file that bug yesterday
[23:59] <BUGabundo> danr LP maintanence
[23:59] <BUGabundo> now im to sleepy to do it right