[00:01] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/403248 [00:01] Ubuntu bug 403248 in gnome-power-manager "DIM will dim my screen even when not idle" [Undecided,New] [00:03] If you want to kill firefox in a new and interesting way, clicky http://home.twigathy.com/out.png (2MB, 16384x16384 PNG. DO NOT CLICK unless you have a *lot* of RAM and CPU time spare!) [00:07] Not much of an image. [00:07] All I see is black. [00:07] Well, that means it hasn't loaded completely yet >_< [00:07] oh, some colored bits. [00:08] sierpinski triangle? [00:08] indeed! [00:08] I spent today writing a fractal flame generator for...no real reason other than I wanted to know how they worked... [00:08] * BUGabundo tries to open it [00:08] ... on elynks [00:08] kidding [00:08] haha [00:09] * BUGabundo hears CPU fan [00:09] and disk [00:09] oh memory leak [00:09] ah, hit swap already? That can't be good [00:09] check top, I had firefox using 1.2G res and Xorg and ff using 100% cpu each [00:09] DSK | sda | busy 97% | read 181 | write 259 | avio 4 ms | [00:09] PAG | scan 6634 | stall 0 | | swin 125 | swout 935 | [00:10] 2554 134 19 82K 1.7G 1.2G 0K 612K 31% firefox-3.6 [00:10] hehe [00:10] MEM | tot 3.9G | free 30.3M | cache 213.1M | buff 4.3M | slab 91.1M | [00:11] * DanaG sees 3864M total memory. [00:11] even pidgin is now freezing [00:11] due to not be able ot write to disk [00:11] oh dear [00:11] SWP | tot 4.7G | free 4.1G | | vmcom 5.2G | vmlim 6.6G | [00:12] IO: [00:12] 2554 4684K 0K 0K 55% firefox-3.6 [00:12] * BUGabundo wishes FF used process per tab [00:12] needs more... minefield is it? [00:13] 2874 0 0 1795K 2.4G 1.8G 0K 0K 47% Xorg [00:13] xorg mem leak? [00:13] ahaah [00:14] haha [00:14] ok [00:15] back [00:15] closed the tab [00:15] yargh. [00:15] hehe [00:15] something's screwed up. [00:15] can't exec .... anything. [00:15] don't blame you - it crashed my firefox [00:15] no, I think I accidentally bind-mounted /proc on /proc [00:15] and same for sys and dev. [00:15] =þ [00:15] Time to REISUB. [00:16] ahahahaahhaha [00:17] Fair well dear bud [00:17] remember to fsck [00:17] * Twigathy likes that about nfs root. No more fscking. :) [00:18] If I hard-reboot I just lose whatever NFS didn't flush :/ [00:20] Twigathy: hit $ sync [00:20] regularly [00:21] heh [00:22] ohh BluesKaj is back [00:22] hey BUGabundo [00:24] spent the day beside the lake taking some sun and sauna [00:25] no interenet , even cell phone service was iffy [00:26] did you enjoy it? [00:26] or are you too nerd for it [00:26] ? [00:26] :p [00:26] was great [00:27] me nerdy ? far from it :) [00:28] no? [00:28] then what are you doing here? [00:31] * BUGabundo uses Twigathy image to crash a few FFs all over the µblogsfere [00:31] family cottage [00:31] There goes my ADSL for the rest of the week then, BUGabundo ;) [00:32] eheh [00:32] I can re-host it if you like [00:32] or you can do funny stats on it [00:32] well, I could stick it on twigathy.com which has 100M up and down... c_c [00:32] It'd make more sense [00:33] but now I already pasted the link ! [00:33] too late [00:33] darn :) [00:33] hits should be coming as we speak [00:33] I'll tail my logs... [00:33] oh god [00:33] oh *wow* where did you post that to? >_< [00:35] Twigathy: *everywhere* [00:35] I mean, really, *everywhere* where pingfm and hellotxt, and SNs can reach [00:35] there, I replaced it with a meta-refresh and redirected it to twigathy.com/triangulation.png =) [00:36] hacky but it works :) [00:36] do you have another link? [00:36] reposting it NOW [00:36] twigathy.com/triangulation.png [00:38] Twigathy: better now ? [00:40] here's a pic of the old beach by the "camp" as cottages are known in northern ontario http://imagebin.ca/view/6d8VjX.html [00:40] BUGabundo: lol, fun... I'm already getting hits from social networking spiders and google's bot... >_< [00:40] ahhahahahahahahahahahahhahaha [00:40] really? [00:40] wowo [00:40] that was fast [00:40] yes [00:40] the net scares me [00:42] it should! [00:44] ja viram? [00:44] http://twigathy.com/triangulation.png [00:44] louco === Pici` is now known as Pici [02:02] what a lively bunch tonight :) [02:10] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1219501 [02:10] Having an EXTENSION override new-tab behavior is rude. [02:10] It should at least be a "default preference", not an override! [02:22] yargh, trying to use schroot... [02:23] (karmic32)dana@EliteBook:~$ sudo [02:23] sudo: must be setuid root [02:23] it IS setuid root. [02:23] anyone here experienced a broken grub after a dist-upgrade? [02:25] oh, I see... it mounts nosuid. [02:25] grr. [02:28] okay... how do I make it NOT use nosuid? [02:50] Gumby [02:50] did he quit? [02:50] chatzilla sucks === adam7 is now known as adam8 === MobileMyles6o7 is now known as TwoToneSpirit === adam8 is now known as adam7 [04:33] boo === WelshDragon is now known as Fluffles [04:52] my computer won't boot now >.< [04:52] doesn't recognize uuid [04:52] need help [04:53] hmm, does it boot with root=/dev/sda# format? [04:53] I'm having the same sorts of won't-recognize-uuid issues. [04:56] i think so [04:57] i ran env from recovery prompt, and there was no value for rootdelay, which was mentioned [04:57] not sure what to set that to, and i doubt it'd fix it [04:57] i'm on live disc now [05:00] I can't even GET a recovery prompt. [05:00] That is, if I EFI boot. [05:00] EFI? [05:00] I'm trying to use grub-efi, and for some reason, the kernel refuses to load the initramfs. [05:00] hm [05:01] It says "no ramdisk image found at 0" [05:01] or something like that. [05:02] hm, not mine [05:02] said, timed out waiting for root device & couldn't find it or something [05:03] drops to initramfs prompt or whatever === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [05:45] how do i get net connectivity in a chroot? [06:13] morning [06:25] how can i set the uuid for a partition (from in chroot)? [06:26] 'ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid' shows sda1's uuid, but when booting off the drive it doesn't know what the uuid is [06:26] and so won't boot now [06:27] hmm, might it be a udev or initramfs issue? [06:27] Or does the uuid it can't find... not match the UUID of the partition? [06:27] i got the notion it might be udev before [06:27] you don't as a rule, it's set for you. you could edit your menu.lst to the appropriate bootable disk if there were changes...? [06:28] i dunno what happened. an update borked my system [06:28] Did package configuration get interrupted? [06:28] don't think so [06:29] there was one or two packages that had an error, but i fixed them immediately [06:29] on upgrading [06:30] but it was a more recent update. i could boot at first, just not to the .30+ kernels [06:30] could still boot to the .28 kernels. now can't boot at all [06:31] was gonna try playing in chroot, but net isn't working [06:31] from in chroot [06:31] oh yeah, did you bind-mount /proc and /sys and /dev into it? [06:32] ran sudo mount -o bind /proc /var/chroot/proc according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot [06:32] well, /var/chroot is wrong path though [06:32] but did that [06:33] ugh, blurry bubbles. [06:33] oh yeah, and copy /etc/resolv.conf from the livecd. [06:33] i'm chrooted to my HD from live disc [06:33] hm? [06:34] i'm chrooted to my HD, which is already set up to work fine (if it would boot)... [06:34] and i've done it before, but don't recall how [06:34] the existing /etc/resolv.conf may be different, but if so it prolly should be [06:36] It's automatically generated, in most cases. [06:36] tanath: sudo dumpe2fs /dev/sdawhatever [06:36] yeah, but i may have tweaked it at some point in the past [06:36] Sarvatt: in or out of chroot? [06:36] doesnt matter [06:37] Sarvatt: woah. that gave the same uuid as 'ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid' and then after a pause started spewing tons of output [06:38] Sarvatt: lots of stuff about free blocks & inodes [06:38] i cancelled it 'cause i was trying to read something [06:38] and couldn't see what it was doing [06:38] add | grep UUID then [06:38] should i let it run through? [06:39] nope [06:39] its just telling you the info on the paritition [06:39] 'ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid' shows the same uuid [06:39] mm [06:40] aha [06:40] my fstab has the wrong uuid [06:40] interesting: [06:40] did you upgrade from ext3 to ext4 or something? [06:41] "Please insert a disk that is not copy protected. [06:41] Such a disk cannot be copied without the proper plugins." [06:41] Umm... so which one is it that can't be copied? [06:41] =þ [06:41] Sarvatt: nope [06:41] # Entry for /dev/sda1 : [06:41] UUID=e93bfde6-f2bf-493f-bd21-fde894d1e83c / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro,data=writeback,noatime 0 0 [06:42] ls ... uuid says different one [06:42] any reason not to edit? [06:42] i'd like to know how it happened [06:43] there was a command i ran when booted to HD that said ambivalent result for uuid [06:43] this could be why [06:44] libdvdnav: Suspected RCE Region Protection!!! [07:06] * tanath sighs [07:06] i fixed my uuid in fstab, but it still tries to boot to the wrong one [07:08] where else might i need to fix my uuid? [07:13] why would it try to boot to a nonexistent uuid? [07:40] o.O 'aptitude update' gave 'E: Method http has died unexpectedly!' [07:41] 97% [Working]FATAL -> Could not set non-blocking flag Bad file descriptor [07:44] nvm, fixed it [07:49] all the UUIDs in menu.lst were the wrong one [07:59] hello [08:00] anybody knows when alpha 3 gonna be released? [08:30] rexes13, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule [08:31] ghindo ty mate === Le-Chuck_ITA1 is now known as Le-Chuck_ITA [09:58] Hello, Alpha3 will be released today ? [10:13] its scheduled for today [10:16] ok, thanks [10:28] Anyone know why I don't have shutdown/restart in my user menu? [10:28] Just log out and switch user [10:42] oli_, yes, I think this is by design, it moved to the "system" menu [10:42] at least when I last checked [10:43] thekorn: oh yes! [10:43] well that's very odd.. I can almost see the rationale but splitting the options up seems a little.. annoying [10:43] but fair enough [10:43] thanks thekorn [10:57] Anyone else running Eclipse (upstream) on Karmic, and finding the perspective switcher often requires you to click on it 4 times or so before it responds? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [11:40] what is the boot time of karmic [11:40] ? [11:40] !boot [11:40] Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto [11:41] any1 plz tell me what is the boot time of karmic koala [11:42] hello?? [11:42] om26er: Mine is about 30 seconds. It's faster than previous releases but not quite what they are after (i think). [11:43] ok thanks for the reply drs305. i am gonna test karmic [11:43] Maybe 20 until part of the desktop starts to appear. [11:44] but the download server is very slow i am getting 30kb/s [11:48] do any 1 knw if karmic mounts the internal card reader at startup [13:23] in kubunutu I am having an issue with nepomuk [13:24] when I login I have getting this notification nepomuk is trying to convert data into a new backen [13:24] after a few seconds I get another notification that it failed [13:25] any kubuntu users here who can help ? please [13:31] debora ian needs a ubuntu splash image [13:31] for grub2 [13:41] i would like to see a koala eating a eucalypt tree on the moon, [13:45] alteregoa, ?? [13:48] lol [13:51] bazhang: he must have meant to type that in #ubuntu-offtopic. didnt you alteregoa [13:51] hint no == bad answer [13:52] when you say break your system [13:53] do you muck up beyond repair the OS and software side [13:53] or just muck up the software and such on the system, not so badly (eg: at least bootloader still surviving) [13:53] or do you mean the hardware could get fried too :P [13:53] Moult: you can break bootloader as well since it is just software [13:54] its not really breaking hardware its moer the bootloader and software [13:54] grub2 transition has been ok but that does not make it safe by any menas [13:54] right i'm going to try put karmic on my comp since no other distro has been able to get onlne [13:54] i have tried out grub2 package thats out and worked fine for me cept first boot took some time [13:54] turns out i need a >=2.6.30 kernel [13:55] Moult: be careful karmic or last i check was on 2.6.31 [13:55] gnomefreak: any idea as to my ssh issue and why its rejecting my password [13:55] alpha3 comes out today? when exactly? [13:55] be careful with that workd "need" [13:55] exactly gnomefreak [13:55] iddo: when it is ready. once everything is ready it will be releasd ther eis no time table [13:56] is it supposed to be today? [13:56] eagles0513875: off hand no, i havent used ssh in a long time like sunce brazzy [13:56] wow [13:56] iddo: today in UTC yes should be but depends on what bugs they find that need to be fixed [13:56] just too lazy to stay going up and down to work on that machine [13:57] ok cool [13:57] iddo: normally within a day or 2 on either end of date [13:57] is the installation of karmic at the moment graphical or text? [13:57] Moult: you can use either [13:57] i have both ISOs [13:58] hmm i didn't find an alpha2 download but i did find alpha3, is this correct? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/karmic/alpha-3/ [13:58] ok fixed that lost alot of emails but its fixed :) [13:58] Moult: yes or use daily images [13:59] hmm so alpha3 is already out ?! [14:01] iddo: if you are running it yes [14:01] iddo, supposedly sometime today [14:01] i dont understand [14:01] or if ur already running karmic you probably have the updated packages for it no gnomefreak [14:01] iddo: alphas and such do nto get a "final release" until its a final release of system [14:01] i want to install it from scratch [14:01] ahhhh BluesKaj appears lol not to be confused with bluekuja lol [14:02] than use the iso pick one once you update to latest packages you are in alpha 3 [14:02] this sounds way to tempting to reinstall [14:02] isn't alpha 3 out yet? [14:03] haha DrHalan1 just check the site [14:03] what site? [14:03] are you all on karmic? [14:03] ok people define out yet. alphas do not get released in the way you are thinking of it [14:03] !daily [14:03] the link at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/karmic/alpha-3/ gonna get updated later today or tomorrow? or this is alpha3 and next update is alpha4 ? [14:03] Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [14:03] gnomefreak: hows the installer looking on alpha 2 iso [14:04] eagles0513875: a2 text based was ok libcrypt issue but should be fixed by now [14:04] gnomefreak: yeah with released i meand the critical bugs been fixed [14:04] they are still being fixed [14:04] might give it a go and reinstall im wondering if my openssh issue is related to upgrading from jaunty to karmic [14:04] i cannot upgrade my laptop anymore because the package mozialla-plugin-gnash is broken and can'T be removed [14:04] why? [14:05] so there gonna be new alpha3 iso later? [14:05] as i recall firefox was a fast push to get it on the cd so the end concerning me is done that i know of [14:05] its alpha not RC [14:05] alteregoa: this is a support channel not a offtoipic channel [14:05] ok dude [14:05] iddo: dailies are updated daily [14:06] but this link is daily? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/karmic/alpha-3/ [14:06] iddo: also any packages that make it to the daily builds get pushed out as updates [14:06] i got a problem with the grub2 splashscreens [14:06] alteregoa: thats good since IIRC it doesnt support splashs yet [14:07] how can i force remove a package (the removal script is broken) [14:07] i installed the splash screens and edited a file cause the paths are wrong [14:07] DrHalan1: you would have to look at the error read the file that has a problem wnad than try. or file a bug [14:07] hmm i didnt even notice that this link is kubuntu [14:08] i put a splash screen into my notebook bios with the same resolution on grub [14:09] iddo: thing is there is no link on the main kubuntu page regarding alpha 3 yet [14:10] hmm ubuntu (not kubuntu) also has only alpha3 link: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/alpha-3/ [14:10] so think alpha3 iso is updated daily ? [14:10] gnomefreak: it's update-alternatives or so. I dunno what to do abotu that [14:10] i meant so this [14:12] or this alpha3 iso will stay the same until alpha4 ? [14:12] DrHalan1: im going to be in and out. if you dont know what you are doing than i suggest file a bug. if you go into that folder you should find the gnash file there and read the error and see if you can find the broken part but i dont see the full error and time is not allowing me to help too much today [14:12] iddo: daily == updated daily [14:13] alteregoa: Do you have any questions about how to put the splash image into Grub2? [14:13] yeah i'm asking if it's daily [14:14] gnomefreak: why do u say that alpha3 is daily? [14:14] gnomefreak: it is said to be fixed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnash/+bug/398213 [14:14] Ubuntu bug 398213 in gnash "package mozilla-plugin-gnash 0.8.5-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 2" [Medium,In progress] [14:14] but i cannot update the package either because then it tries to remove the old one too [14:19] DrHalan1: remove the old gnash packages? [14:19] because of the bug i can't [14:21] DrHalan1: what happens when you try to upgrade? you said it removes packages (not helpful) [14:23] I'm impressed with konqueror as a browser , now that FF has become bloated and slow on linux ..it's now my default [14:23] gnomefreak: like mentionedi n teh bug: "subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 2" [14:23] DrHalan1: comment on the bug than. [14:25] okay thanks gnomefreak [14:25] DrHalan1: im not a gnash maintainer and it doesnt say its fixed it sayus its in progress [14:25] asac opened it back up for that reason [14:27] so if next week i download http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/alpha-3/karmic-desktop-i386.iso will it be the same file, or is it updated daily? [14:28] iddo: there is a daily release [14:28] DrHalan1: give me a minute [14:29] if its not daily it will not be updated (at least ont often) [14:29] but arent the daily releases here? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/ [14:29] !daily [14:29] Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [14:29] those are daily links [14:29] but im not asking about those [14:29] im asking about http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/alpha-3/ [14:30] iddo: they will stay the same the dailyies will be updated daily [14:30] iddo: what is it you want to know out side of that? [14:31] gnomefreak: u r now saying that http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/alpha-3/ will stay the same? [14:31] earlier u said that alpha3 will be released probably later today or tomorrow? [14:31] iddo: I thought all releases stayed the same [14:32] so alpha3 was already released? [14:32] iddo: if the link is broken they images have not yet been put on server. the non daily isos will change from a3 to a4 last part of link with tell you that [14:32] alpha3 will not change from alpha3, but the daily releases will change every day [14:32] iddo: there is no release of alphs [14:32] alphas [14:32] so how do u call it when alpha3 becomes available? [14:32] they are made available that is it [14:33] ok:) [14:33] iddo: that way [14:33] alpha3 has already been made available ? [14:33] unless the link says daily the a3 will stay a3 a4 will stay a4 ect.... [14:33] iddo: can you download it from that link? [14:33] if it works yes if not they are not on server yet [14:34] yes i can download it [14:34] iddo: than go to it [14:35] iddo: we wont et email untill all servers are updated [14:35] kubuntu server is not updated as im finding out [14:35] at least sounds like it [14:35] But without the release notes/announcement you may run into issues that may or may not be known. [14:36] DrHalan1, here is some advice about broken packages : http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/48910 [14:36] but the date of http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/alpha-3/karmic-desktop-i386.iso is 22-Jul-2009 17:49 hmmmm? [14:36] symantics ;) honestly a3 with or without release notes you can run into problems with installer/packages/updates ect... [14:36] iddo: that was yesterday [14:36] hint its still a3 [14:37] install it from that than do your updates OR use daily image than do updates [14:37] so alpha3 was made available yesterday? [14:38] iddo: i dont think you are getting this. a3 was made avilabe right after a2 was posted from a2 ->now have been updates [14:38] thats all that is. there is no rocket science behind it [14:39] i'm asking whether the file http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/alpha-3/karmic-desktop-i386.iso is gonna stay the same or be updated, whats the answer to this question? [14:39] iddo: daily iso was a3 the day after a2 was posted so it was avilable than [14:40] iddo: i have said and will say again unless major breakage it will stay the same [14:40] that one question has been answered by me a few time and a few others a few time [14:40] s [14:41] ok but u also said that alpha3 will be made available when it's ready later today or tomorrow [14:42] iddo: today/tomorrw is not the same for everyone [14:42] iddo: i know they are still spinning images and the emails have nto been sent yet [14:43] i use rxync to update my isos 2 times a week or so [14:43] so i only have to download once [14:43] Also, the topic in this channel is updated when the alpha release is changed [14:43] so why wasnt the topic updated? [14:43] that happens when we get devel list email [14:43] because the release announcement hasn't been made. [14:44] because alpha3 is not officially released yet [14:44] but the actual iso is available since yesterday ? [14:44] * gnomefreak thinks if this has confused you so much that maybe installing an alpha release maybe not best thing for you [14:44] heh [14:44] iddo: download or dont but our answers will not change [14:45] i downloaded it [14:45] iddo: good than lets drop it [14:45] in it there's file README.diskdefines [14:45] it says #define DISKNAME Ubuntu 9.10 "Karmic Koala" - Alpha i386 [14:46] i dont see any other info [14:46] iddo: if you are looking for things to be wrong than i suggest you stop. either use it or dont [14:46] iddo: the name means nothing [14:47] The disk won't identify itself as Alpha 3 if thats what you're looking for. === _Ranakah is now known as Ranakah [14:50]