| kirkland | awe: yeah, i think so | 00:01 |
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| awe | ok | 00:01 |
| awe | see you in dublin! | 00:02 |
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| pwnguin | hmm | 00:57 |
| pwnguin | wonder what happened to that eclipse guy | 00:57 |
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| nhandler | Packaging Perl Module session will be starting soon in #ubuntu-classroom | 00:59 |
| they | nhandler: who would want to waste time on that? | 01:00 |
| they | :P | 01:00 |
| ajmitch | someone who's not enlightened as to the wonders of python packaging & the associated fun? | 01:02 |
| they | <3 python packages | 01:03 |
| ajmitch | python is nice, but the mess surrounding packaging isn't so hot | 01:04 |
| ajmitch | partly due to how many different things have come through from upstream | 01:04 |
| * directhex runs dh_clilibs | 01:16 | |
| they | there was an eclipse guy? | 01:17 |
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| directhex | vorian, someone who expressed an interest in helping eclipse packaging | 01:23 |
| vorian | i see | 01:24 |
| vorian | last log ftw | 01:24 |
| directhex | indeed | 01:24 |
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| Sarvatt | turning the eclipse package into a script that just downloads it from eclipse would be nice :D | 01:39 |
| directhex | s/nice/kludgy/ | 01:39 |
| stochastic | This package REVU only needs one more advocation http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/xwax Anyone have a second? | 02:03 |
| directhex | stochastic, you seem to be specifying debhelper 7, but at a glance, i don't see anything in your file which isn't from dh5... am i failing to see something obvious? | 02:08 |
| stochastic | directhex, I think I got some lintian warning about dh_prep that prompted the debhelper 7 req (IIRC), but I could try 5 and see... | 02:58 |
| stochastic | directhex, yes, here's the Lintian warning I get with debhelper 5: xwax source: debhelper-script-needs-versioned-build-depends dh_prep (>= 7) | 03:02 |
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| porthose | nhandler, would you please have a look at bug #389654 and give me some hints on how to correct the mentioned lintian error :) | 04:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 389654 in lyricue "Please upgrade lyricue" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/389654 | 04:23 |
| nhandler | porthose: Sure, let me take a look | 04:26 |
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| nhandler | porthose: I really haven't done much with translations/debconf translations, so in order to avoid guiding you incorrectly, I would suggest asking someone else. I am sorry | 04:38 |
| porthose | nhandler, np I'll post a message the the ml :) | 04:39 |
| porthose | s/the/to | 04:40 |
| nhandler | porthose: I'll be watching to see the answer :) | 04:40 |
| nhandler | I just noticed this wiki page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UnsignedGpgKey If someone gets a chance, it should probably be updated | 05:30 |
| freeflying | anyone would like share the dput.cf for upload to ubuntu? | 05:36 |
| freeflying | or is there any changes? | 05:36 |
| freeflying | thanks | 05:36 |
| ScottK | freeflying: It should be the standard one that came with dput. | 05:37 |
| freeflying | ScottK: its strange, I uploaded twice, nothing happened, no email tell accept or reject | 05:38 |
| ScottK | freeflying: Launchpad was down for maintenance earlier today. Maybe stuff is backed up. | 05:39 |
| freeflying | ScottK: first try was done about 20 hrs ago | 05:40 |
| ScottK | Oh. | 05:40 |
| ScottK | I don't know then. | 05:40 |
| ScottK | freeflying: I'd ask in #launchpad then. If anyone is around they can look it up. | 05:40 |
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| freeflying | ScottK: thanks | 05:45 |
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| ttx | slytherin: ping | 09:49 |
| slytherin | ttx: pong | 10:11 |
| ttx | slytherin: about the jetty6 thing... It's not really a package rename. It's rather the idea of uploading the new major release under a separate source package | 10:12 |
| ttx | slytherin: since we expect to do a separate jetty7 in the future anyway | 10:12 |
| ttx | from an Ubuntu perspective, we need the jetty 6 libraries in karmic but the jetty 6 work in progress in debian isn't mature enough to be used... Having a jetty6 package solves this, we can upload our own and merge with debian when ready | 10:14 |
| slytherin | ttx: What do you mean by not mature enough? | 10:14 |
| ttx | slytherin: it hasn't hit experimental yet. I identified a few upgrade issues, and I expect other issues when someone will start using it. And we need the jetty6 libraries in Ubuntu main. | 10:16 |
| slytherin | and you think it will not be in good shape before FF? | 10:18 |
| ttx | slytherin: I doubt it. Not to main QA standards | 10:18 |
| ttx | so I'd upload our own simplified jetty6 thing, and ideally we would just merge the debian jetty6 in karmic+1 | 10:19 |
| ttx | but if it's called "jetty" the whole process is a lot more complicated. | 10:19 |
| slytherin | ttx: hmm. How about let Debian devs upload it with name jetty (it's already in new), sync it in karmic and do the modifications as per our need. | 10:21 |
| ttx | slytherin: I'm slightly concerned in updating the "jetty" package with something that doesn't upgrade properly | 10:22 |
| ttx | also I see value in keeping jetty5 libraries available | 10:23 |
| ttx | slytherin: but yes, we could follow that route | 10:23 |
| ttx | it's just that I don't have so much time to dedicate to jetty package QA | 10:24 |
| ttx | slytherin: do you think you would ? | 10:24 |
| ttx | slytherin: i don't agree with the "it's not used at all anyway" approach from Marcus | 10:25 |
| ttx | slytherin: i don't know of the daemon, but the libraries are used by some Ubuntu-powered Java developers. | 10:26 |
| ttx | for them having jetty(5) and jetty6 available makes sense. | 10:27 |
| slytherin | tough decision. | 10:27 |
| ttx | slytherin: and it's theirs rather than ours. Though you sit on both tables :) | 10:28 |
| ttx | Just wanted to make you understand why I was asking. | 10:28 |
| slytherin | Thing is Debian Java has revived recently and there is lot of activity. So I want to play nice with them as well. It's people like Marcus, Matthew, Ludovic, Vincent that are driving force these days in D-J. | 10:29 |
| ttx | Note that the developers working on jetty wanted to call it jetty6 originally. They changed their mind on Marcus request. | 10:29 |
| ttx | In the end they (Ludovic and Torsten) are the ones who will do the work. | 10:31 |
| slytherin | That is probably because Marcus mentioned that current jetty package is buggy and there is no phasing out. | 10:35 |
| Laney | will anything break if I just rename a git repository? | 10:42 |
| Laney | mv foo.git bar.git | 10:46 |
| juli_ | slytherin, Hi! I've changed source package name to "cobertura" and corrected it as you suggested yesterday. Now the package is here: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/cobertura. Could you, please, confirm that you are ok with the changes. Thanks in advance. | 10:55 |
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| david_mentre | gaspa: hello Andrea. No news regarding ocaml upload? | 12:44 |
| Laney | it's been done hasn't it? | 12:45 |
| Laney | david_mentre: ^ | 12:45 |
| david_mentre | Laney: Hello Laney. As far as I know, ocaml packages are still in sync-blacklist.txt and ocaml source package in Karmic is still 3.11.0-5 | 12:51 |
| Laney | the sync has been approved; all you can do is wait for it to be processed | 12:52 |
| Laney | I suggest that you reopen bug 387943 and ask for those changes to be undone too to avoid confusion | 12:53 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 387943 in ocaml "Karmic: please do NOT synchronize following packages" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/387943 | 12:53 |
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| david_mentre | Laney: ok, I'm waiting for the sync to be processed. I reopened bug 387943. | 13:21 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 387943 in ocaml "Karmic: please do NOT synchronize following packages" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/387943 | 13:21 |
| Laney | david_mentre: cool, nie one | 13:22 |
| Laney | nice | 13:22 |
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| slytherin | juli_: I added a comment. If you fixed that within 2 hours. I will try building it. | 15:06 |
| slytherin | ttx: still there? | 15:06 |
| ttx | slytherin: yes | 15:06 |
| slytherin | ttx: whenever you get time, can you check swtcalendar and monajat on revu? I have already added advocations on those. | 15:07 |
| ttx | slytherin: I add it to my TODO list, eta unknown :) | 15:08 |
| slytherin | thanks | 15:08 |
| noodles775 | Hi dyfet: I saw you updated the ubuntu-mobile-voice-user-interface regarding the packaging... Have you had a chance to try the updated packages? I could only try the executables in a chroot env. (so no audio etc.). | 15:16 |
| dyfet | That is one thing I was going to do some testing. I simply noted that the package has been updated :) | 15:20 |
| juli_ | slytherin, Thanks! Could you tell ms which license I should use for debian/*? GPL-2+? | 15:20 |
| dyfet | I was also reformatting the blueprint's wb for progress tracking... | 15:21 |
| slytherin | juli_: your choice. I usually keep it in sync with the license for application/library source. | 15:22 |
| juli_ | slytherin, ok, thanks. | 15:23 |
| juli_ | slytherin, will upload corrected version soon | 15:23 |
| highvoltage | http://loldebian.wordpress.com/2009/07/23/mono-rejected/ | 15:24 |
| slytherin | highvoltage: what is that? | 15:25 |
| highvoltage | slytherin: a loldebian post. | 15:26 |
| noodles775 | dyfet: ah ok, yes, please let me know the results (or add them to the revu if you get a chance) | 15:32 |
| dyfet | noodles775: I will add my results to revu | 15:35 |
| noodles775 | Thanks! | 15:36 |
| juli_ | slytherin, done: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=6444. Thanks for helping me to make the package better! | 15:40 |
| slytherin | juli_: I am in office currently. Expect reply within 3 hours. | 15:43 |
| juli_ | slytherin, ok. I'm waiting for. | 15:44 |
| awe | StevenK: ping | 15:59 |
| StevenK | awe: Yes? | 16:02 |
| awe | i finished a couple of merge that you previously uploaded, could you take a peek and ack 'em for me? | 16:02 |
| awe | s/merge/merges/ | 16:02 |
| awe | please? | 16:02 |
| StevenK | awe: Not now? It's 1 am :-) | 16:03 |
| awe | doh | 16:03 |
| awe | guess i need to start using that world time widget mgz mentioned the other day! | 16:04 |
| awe | i'll catch you later ( much ) | 16:04 |
| bddebian | Heya gang | 16:04 |
| slytherin | awe: have you already filed bugs and added debdiffs there? | 16:06 |
| awe | slytherin: yes...i also meant syncs, not merges... | 16:07 |
| slytherin | awe: make sure you have subscribed appropriate sponsors teams. So if StevenK does not have time, someone else will take a look. | 16:08 |
| awe | i used requestsync, so they should be all set. i was pinging steven cause he was the last uploader, and i figured i could buy him a guinness or three next time i see him for expedited service. ;) | 16:09 |
| awe | slytherin: no rush. thanks! | 16:10 |
| StevenK | awe: Send me a mail, and I'm happy to look when I start work | 16:10 |
| awe | StevenK: cool | 16:10 |
| directhex | fta, gwibber appears to be nice from the PPA. | 16:33 |
| fta | good | 16:34 |
| directhex | is it approximately what's in karmic? | 16:34 |
| fta | yes | 16:35 |
| asac | will will do a few contribution merges and then cut off 1.2 branch; then trunk will get a big bomb ;) | 16:40 |
| directhex | fta, hey, --enable-plugins almost sorts works ish! | 16:42 |
| directhex | (on chrome) | 16:43 |
| fta | directhex, unless you depend on gmail | 16:43 |
| fta | and s/chrome/chromium/g | 16:43 |
| directhex | fta, i don't. i do, however, have the silverlight 1.0 version of bubblemark displaying. albeit very jerkily | 16:43 |
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| fabrice_sp | Hi. Any MOTU willing to sponsor the merge of gmerlin-avdecoder (Bug #283213)? It's a mandatory step to update openmovieeditor to latest version. | 18:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 283213 in openmovieeditor "Please merge gmerlin-avdecoder 1.0.0-0.2 from Debian Multimedia (Stable)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283213 | 18:54 |
| fabrice_sp | siretart, I saw you made some comments on Debian's mailing list on gmerlin-avdecoder. Do you have more info about that? | 18:55 |
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| _andre | hyperair: hi :) did you have some time to review those new packages? | 19:05 |
| hyperair | _andre: eh what? | 20:00 |
| _andre | hyperair: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/watchcatd | 20:02 |
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| hyperair | i'll go look at it now | 20:15 |
| hyperair | _andre: you should change the Maintainer to Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>, if i'm not mistaken. | 20:15 |
| hyperair | _andre: priority should be optional, rather than extra. | 20:17 |
| hyperair | don't add COPYRIGHT to debian/docs | 20:18 |
| hyperair | _andre: get rid of debian/dirs | 20:22 |
| hyperair | _andre: and use a .install file to specify which files go into which package | 20:23 |
| hyperair | man dh_install for more info | 20:23 |
| hyperair | for installing the upstream ChangeLog, use override_dh_installchangelogs, and in that rule call dh_installchangelogs ChangeLog. man dh_installchangelogs for more info | 20:24 |
| hyperair | also drop the dh_install call, it'll be done automatically. | 20:24 |
| _andre | hyperair: thanks, i'll do that | 20:29 |
| _andre | i think i saw "Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>" in an example at the wiki, though | 20:30 |
| hyperair | _andre: also, rather than duplicating all the commands in the Makefile's install rule in debian/rules, why don't you add DESTDIR support to your Makefile? you're the upstream, aren't you? | 20:30 |
| _andre | i wanted to avoid making a new release just for that... | 20:33 |
| hyperair | ah | 20:34 |
| hyperair | then how about adding a patch system? | 20:34 |
| hyperair | and patching the Makefile? | 20:34 |
| _andre | because it's more complicated than just installing the files :) | 20:34 |
| hyperair | hmm tru | 20:35 |
| hyperair | e | 20:35 |
| hyperair | then use dh_install. =) | 20:35 |
| hyperair | it's much simpler | 20:35 |
| _andre | is it just "dh_install file destdir"? | 20:37 |
| hyperair | no | 20:37 |
| hyperair | just list your files in debian/watchcatd.install | 20:37 |
| hyperair | see the manpage | 20:37 |
| _andre | hmm | 20:38 |
| hyperair | what's dh_install -s? | 20:38 |
| hyperair | i haven't seen the -s option before | 20:38 |
| _andre | it was there from the dh_make template | 20:39 |
| _andre | i just left it | 20:39 |
| hyperair | ah. | 20:40 |
| hyperair | toss it | 20:40 |
| hyperair | dh_make is obsolete! =p | 20:40 |
| _andre | i noticed :P | 20:41 |
| c_korn | dh_make is obsolete? | 20:41 |
| hyperair | well not really | 20:41 |
| hyperair | it's just that the rules file produced is old | 20:42 |
| hyperair | not that it can't be used, just that it's longer and more cluttered | 20:42 |
| c_korn | oh, that you mean | 20:42 |
| _andre | hyperair: so if i use a .install file i can remove the override_dh_auto_install target? | 20:43 |
| hyperair | yes. | 20:44 |
| hyperair | also remove your debian/dirs file | 20:45 |
| _andre | ok | 20:45 |
| hyperair | another thing i noticed... your preinst and postrm scripts appear to create a user and a group | 20:46 |
| hyperair | what's the group used for? | 20:46 |
| _andre | well, it's just an unprivileged user, i think it makes sense for it to have its own user and group like most daemons that drop privileges have | 20:47 |
| _andre | so if there's a bug it won't have any access it shouldn't have because it shared some other group | 20:49 |
| hyperair | i don't think it requires its own group, does it? =\ | 20:51 |
| hyperair | i mean, do users need to be in a group? | 20:52 |
| hyperair | no right? | 20:52 |
| RoAkSoAx | _andre: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField this will resolve your doubts on the Maintainer field in debian/control which now is Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@....> | 20:52 |
| _andre | hyperair: a user has to be in at least one group... | 20:53 |
| hyperair | it can be in nogroup | 20:53 |
| hyperair | actually nevermind. don't mind me | 20:54 |
| hyperair | i'm not sure about this | 20:54 |
| _andre | it's the same reason people don't use nobody as the daemon user | 20:54 |
| hyperair | i see | 20:55 |
| _andre | can a .install file handle renames? | 20:55 |
| _andre | the upstream file is called watchcatd.prod.conf but it should be installed as watchcatd.conf | 20:56 |
| geser | "dh_install cannot rename files or directories" (from the dh_install manpage) | 20:58 |
| _andre | oh | 20:58 |
| _andre | so i guess i'll still need the override | 20:59 |
| _andre | does that mean i need to keel the dirs file with "etc" in it? | 21:00 |
| geser | you can still rename it after you called dh_install | 21:01 |
| _andre | where do i do that? | 21:04 |
| geser | just add the necessary mv calls to debian/rules | 21:05 |
| _andre | isn't it better to just install them with the correct name in the first place? | 21:06 |
| geser | or that | 21:07 |
| _andre | testing the changes with pbuilder now... | 21:09 |
| geser | there is no one "true" way to do it, you've several options how you solve it | 21:09 |
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| _andre | hyperair: new package uploaded | 21:24 |
| _andre | is there a dh command that automatically makes the shared library symlinks? | 22:06 |
| hyperair | _andre: no there isn't. the upstream build system should have handled that. | 22:10 |
| hyperair | _andre: you *really* should use autotools | 22:10 |
| hyperair | and possibly combine the packages into one source package | 22:10 |
| hyperair | anyway, is there a reason /etc/watchcatd.conf is to be 0600 rather than 0644? | 22:11 |
| _andre | just paranoia i guess | 22:11 |
| hyperair | hmm | 22:12 |
| hyperair | does watchcatd run as root? | 22:12 |
| hyperair | i remember you created a user right? | 22:12 |
| hyperair | which means that watchcatd should run as that user? | 22:12 |
| _andre | the master process does, the slave runs as user watchcat | 22:12 |
| hyperair | aah i see. | 22:13 |
| hyperair | slave? O_o | 22:13 |
| hyperair | what does the master do? | 22:13 |
| hyperair | and what does the slave do? | 22:13 |
| hyperair | also, is there a reason you duplicated this line: install -m0600 watchcatd.prod.conf $(BUILD_DIR)/etc/watchcatd.conf ? | 22:13 |
| _andre | the slave talks to the client programs who want to be monitored, and when one of those becomes unresponsive, the master kills it | 22:14 |
| hyperair | oh. i see. | 22:14 |
| hyperair | sounds like a rather roundabout way. | 22:14 |
| _andre | oops | 22:14 |
| _andre | no | 22:14 |
| hyperair | ? | 22:14 |
| _andre | shouldn't be duplicated | 22:14 |
| hyperair | ah | 22:14 |
| hyperair | also, you can combine your install -d line with your install -m600 line | 22:15 |
| hyperair | install -D -m0600 bla /etc/bla | 22:15 |
| hyperair | i mean $(BUILD_DIR)/etc/bla | 22:15 |
| _andre | cool, didn't know that | 22:15 |
| _andre | hyperair: the idea is to have as little code running as root as possible | 22:16 |
| hyperair | i see. | 22:20 |
| hyperair | _andre: what's to stop me from sending fake kill requests to the server? | 22:20 |
| _andre | hyperair: the client talks to the server via a unix socket, and it can only request its own pid to be killed | 22:26 |
| _andre | this can be asserted with getsockopt on linux and with a more complicated procedure on freebsd | 22:27 |
| hyperair | _andre: that's between the server and the slave. what about directly sending the request to the master? | 22:29 |
| _andre | hyperair: the master only talks to the slave, it doesn't accept direct connections from other processes | 22:32 |
| hyperair | ah. i se | 22:32 |
| _andre | this is very useful for example in a shared hosting environment | 22:33 |
| hyperair | mmhmm | 22:33 |
| hyperair | i see | 22:33 |
| _andre | you can monitor the apache processes | 22:33 |
| _andre | and bad code by your customers won't kill the server :) | 22:33 |
| hyperair | sounds good =) | 22:34 |
| _andre | but you need the mod_watchcat package too :P | 22:34 |
| hyperair | mmhmm of course | 22:34 |
| _andre | i'll upload watchcatd again without that duplicate line | 22:35 |
| nellery | chrisccoulson: were you planning on doing bug 403721 | 22:36 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 403721 in funkload "Packaged version too old, upstream even warns against it" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/403721 | 22:36 |
| chrisccoulson | nellery - i didn't intend to work on it straight away. did you want to take it? | 22:42 |
| nellery | chrisccoulson: no that's alright, you can take it | 22:42 |
| hyperair | _andre: W: watchcatd: manpage-has-errors-from-man usr/share/man/man5/watchcatd.conf.5.gz 122: warning: `SE' not defined | 22:50 |
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