[00:01] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/403248
[00:06] <LLStarks> bug 402768
[00:06] <LLStarks> nice
[00:07] <micahg> what is that filed under?
[00:08] <asac> LLStarks: you made it private or something
[00:08] <LLStarks> no
[00:08] <LLStarks> somebody did
[00:08] <asac> LLStarks: or you submitted a crash (that takes a bit until triagers can see)
[00:09] <LLStarks> you rec'd that bug number to me
[00:09] <asac> LLStarks: are you still subscribed to the bug? can you see it?
[00:09] <micahg> do you mean bug 402767?
[00:09] <LLStarks> I can't see it. Period.
[00:10] <asac> yes, i never talked about ...678
[00:10] <asac> only the one micahg referred to
[00:11] <asac> bug 402767
[00:16] <BUGabundo> LOLOLOL
[00:16] <BUGabundo> one digit aboce
[00:16] <BUGabundo> *above
[00:16] <BUGabundo> woot
[00:21] <asac> BUGabundo: i asked something on the bug
[00:22] <BUGabundo> ok
[00:22] <BUGabundo> which one???
[00:22] <BUGabundo> since I posted like 4
[00:25] <micahg> BUGabundo: bug 403246
[00:25]  * BUGabundo reads
[00:27] <BUGabundo> asac: disabling the new addon I get old NEWTAB ?
[00:28]  * BUGabundo finds confusing to call new old
[00:30] <BUGabundo> asac: do you remember that old old old bug I told you LONG ago of spellcheker not working ok with keyboard shortcut?
[00:33] <asac> BUGabundo: which did you post?
[00:33] <BUGabundo> :s
[00:33] <asac> BUGabundo: can you tag them multisearch please?
[00:33] <BUGabundo> sure
[00:33] <asac> great
[00:33] <BUGabundo> but is it related?
[00:33] <BUGabundo> http://home.twigathy.com/out.png
[00:33] <BUGabundo> see FF memory leak
[00:33] <BUGabundo> ahah
[00:33] <asac> thats an old one
[00:34] <BUGabundo> its already done
[00:34] <BUGabundo> some one beat me to it
[00:34] <BUGabundo> 59           Alexander Sack 	  tags 	  amd64 apport-bug 	  amd64 apport-bug multisearch
[00:34] <BUGabundo> doh
[00:36] <asac> i think i tagged one of yours, yes
[00:37] <asac> thought you filed 4 bugs ;)
[00:37] <BUGabundo> done on 402767
[00:38] <asac> ok cool. at lesate the BadWindow band-aid seems to work for me
[00:38] <asac> though no new lines ;)
[00:39] <asac> (just updatred xulrunner-1.9.2)
[00:41]  * BUGabundo checks for updates
[00:44] <asac> BUGabundo: did you fix your lost search engines?
[00:44] <BUGabundo> on debian?
[00:44] <asac> most likely you did uninstall firefox-3.0
[00:44] <asac> oh. no clue then
[00:44] <BUGabundo> hummm I installed an addon for it
[00:44] <BUGabundo> :)
[00:44] <asac> just saw your dent
[00:44] <BUGabundo> hahahaah
[00:44] <BUGabundo> you are too lazy to keep track
[00:44] <BUGabundo> ahahah
[00:44] <asac> 9h ago
[00:44] <asac> well. gwibber crashed again ;)
[00:44] <BUGabundo> hee
[00:44] <BUGabundo> yep
[00:45] <BUGabundo> not for me
[00:45] <BUGabundo> been ROCKING
[00:45] <BUGabundo> since u fixed it
[00:45] <asac> yeah its better
[00:45] <asac> but there are still threading issues
[00:45] <asac> but 2.0 should fix those - at least
[00:45] <asac> but most likely we will see other bad things ;)
[00:45] <BUGabundo> that will only come around sept
[00:45] <BUGabundo> can't wait
[00:45] <BUGabundo> its so kewl
[00:45] <BUGabundo> but won't run for me :(
[00:45] <asac> will come soon to trunk
[00:46] <asac> i wanted to review current merge requests and then we wanted to cut a 1.2 branch making room for merging down the 2.0 effort
[00:46] <asac> to trunk
[00:48] <asac> anyway off ... happy that this band-aid worked a bit - though really need to track down whats wrong there; its odd
[00:48] <BUGabundo> asac:
[00:48] <BUGabundo> asac: and nm 0.8?
[00:48] <BUGabundo> when will we have new snapshot?
[00:58] <fta> BUGabundo, i tried to open your image, it failed, it's an html file
[00:59] <fta> BUGabundo, i then tried to open the png linked in that page, ff exploded
[00:59] <Twigathy> fta: hm, the meta-refresh works for me!
[00:59] <fta> i mean, it started to suck at the memory, i had to kill X :(
[01:00] <fta> PNG image, 16384 x 16384, 8-bit/color RGB, non-interlaced
[01:00] <Twigathy> I'll change it to a link instead
[01:00] <fta> -at+all
[02:02] <LLStarks> asac
[02:02] <LLStarks> http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/4780/gifu.png
[02:02] <LLStarks> gif rendering is borked i think
[02:09] <e-jat> bugs 328778
[02:09] <e-jat> asac : https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=328778
[02:09] <e-jat> is it already been in daily package?
[02:15] <micahg> e-jat: that was in ff3.0.4
[02:15] <e-jat> sorry .. i mean https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=451944
[02:16] <micahg> same thing
[02:18] <e-jat> .. i still having prob while opening .pdf directly ..
[02:18] <micahg> is it the user agent though?
[02:19] <e-jat> bug 401207
[02:21] <micahg> I'
[02:21] <micahg> ve also been having problems since I installed acroread
[02:22] <e-jat> :)
[02:32] <micahg> e-jat: jaunty has 9.12
[08:08] <micahg> ping asac
[08:08] <e-jat> !ping asac
[08:09] <micahg> no, the bot doesn't know asac :)
[08:11] <e-jat> micahg: :)
[09:17] <asac> e-jat: yes, mozilla bug 328778 should be fixed for ages
[09:21] <micahg> hi asac
[09:24] <ejat> asac: will you respond to gen kanai's email :)
[09:26] <asac> hi micahg
[09:26] <asac> e-jat: gen kanai?
[09:26] <micahg> what to do with bug 403275?
[09:27] <e-jat> asac: email from gen[at]mozilla[dot]com
[09:30] <asac> yes. i should do that asasp
[09:31] <e-jat> but for us .. we still need to finish the xulrunner translation 1st right ?:(
[09:32] <asac> thats the case in any case
[09:32] <asac> e-jat: also on top of my todo list is to enable all launchpad translations during development cycle
[09:32] <asac> so that teams can actually see the progress they are making (or notmaking)
[09:33] <asac> i think that will help a lot. we still need a process then how to figure which translations will make the cut and which wont (for the final release)
[09:34] <asac> the other topic is exporting for upstream. thats still on my list. i talked to gandi and i finally understand how the hg upstream source trees for translations are layouted
[09:34] <asac> its really a bit tricky.
[09:37] <e-jat> hmm
[09:40] <e-jat> ill wait for it .. and maybe we will do it on our GlobalJam
[09:48] <micahg> asac: I should remove you as assignee if Fix Released, right?
[09:55] <asac> micahg: i dont really mind ... fix released wont show up on my open bug list - which is all that matters
[09:55] <micahg> ok
[09:55] <micahg> well
[09:56] <micahg> I took you off that one...I'll just leave you then in the future
[09:56] <micahg> I'm trying to clean out old already released fixes in ff3.0 when I'm too tired to do anything else
[09:57] <asac> heh. thats brave
[09:57] <micahg> I just use the already fixed upstream filter
[10:01] <asac> yeah. how many did you spot?
[10:02] <micahg> 39 left
[10:02] <micahg> I did 3 today
[10:02] <micahg> oh, and we have pretty graphs for ff3.5 now : http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus/firefox-3.5
[10:03] <asac> oh thats quite  few ;)
[10:03] <asac> great qa page
[10:03] <asac> i hope we can keep it below 1k for a while ;)
[10:03] <micahg> yeah
[10:04] <micahg> well, we have about 300 confirmed + triaged in ff3.0 which will probably need to be added to ff3.5
[10:04] <micahg> so
[10:04] <micahg> that's already 400
[10:05] <micahg> and I subscribed to ff3.5 so I can see everything that's added
[10:05] <micahg> so I can be mroe aware of dups
[10:05] <asac> yeah. should we write a script to do that mass assignment?
[10:05] <fta> asac, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/29407835/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-amd64.firefox-3.6_3.6~a1~hg20090722r30558%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[10:05] <micahg> I don't think so
[10:05] <asac> fta: yes
[10:05] <micahg> it'll give us a chance to make sure the reports aren't stale
[10:05] <micahg> or needing info upstream
[10:06] <micahg> or stuck upstream and needing a push
[10:06] <asac> fta: wonder if we should fix the build system rather. i dont think ffox itself needs it
[10:07] <micahg> oh, and I noticed that I seem to be the most active for bugs for some reason in the firefox project on LP
[10:07] <fta> asac, in fact, i was talking about what's after the failure..
[10:07] <micahg> ok, 4AM, need to sleep
[10:07] <asac> fta: ?
[10:08] <asac> micahg: good night
[10:08] <micahg> night
[10:08] <fta> micahg, 'night
[10:08] <fta> asac, hm, i think it's my fault
[10:09] <fta> Removing xulrunner-1.9.2 ...
[10:09] <fta> update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for xulrunner.
[10:09] <fta> update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for xulrunner.
[10:09] <fta> dpkg: error processing xulrunner-1.9.2 (--purge):
[10:09] <fta>  subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 2
[10:09] <asac> fta: sorry. whats the problem?
[10:09] <asac> no
[10:09] <fta> ?
[10:11] <asac> fta: let me fix it. update-alternative changed its behaviour (to the good, while breaking the hacks i had everywhere)
[10:12] <asac> fta: committed 480
[10:14] <fta> strange, i didn't get any commit mail
[10:18] <asac> fta: i committed like a few seconds ago
[10:18] <asac> let me check if i unbound the branch
[10:19] <Trouble> fta: Can I ask if you're planning on updating your PPA Thunderbird 3 beta 2 package to beta 3 at some point?
[10:21] <asac> Trouble: use the dailies for now ;)
[10:22] <asac> fta: should be there
[10:22] <Trouble> Roger wilco ;-)
[10:23] <asac> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.2.head/revision/480
[10:23] <asac> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.1.head/revision/473
[10:29] <asac> fta: are you on the libiw-dev problem in firefox?
[10:30] <fta> asac, feel free, i'm on the phone
[10:30] <asac> good
[10:47] <fta> asac, http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=13504
[10:50] <asac> fta: crazy
[10:50] <asac> fta: i mean that says they dont care about desktop configurations?
[10:50] <asac> or do they use desktop defaults and the bug was about changing that?
[10:51] <fta> not sure
[10:51] <asac> fta: how can i CC myself on google bugs?
[10:51] <fta> i don't know ion3
[10:52] <asac> witout commenting?
[10:52] <asac> ah ... i can only vote?
[10:52] <asac> is there a way to subscribe and not vote ;)
[10:52] <asac> e.g. i want to be a neutral listener
[10:59] <asac> fta: do you think we could spread around the daily uploads a bit?
[11:00] <asac> like every 24/no_of_sources hour?
[11:00] <asac> ;)
[11:00] <fta> ?
[11:02] <asac> like we have 6 source packages daily tracked: run first at 0, second at 4, 8, 12 ...
[11:02] <asac> i think that gives in times of scarce builders a fairer perception because folks will be able to upload in between ;)
[11:03] <asac> otoh, that should be done by launchpad
[11:03] <asac> like fair scheduling, etc.
[11:05] <asac> fta: you said we had a 24h wait at some point and ended up with upload rejected because of htat?
[11:05] <fta> yes
[11:06] <asac> do you know how much builders / queue were at the time we uploaded that?
[11:06] <asac> i guess not
[11:06] <asac> would just be interesting to know.
[11:07] <asac> we could then check how the biulder/queue ratio is before uploading and dont upload if its too high
[11:07] <asac> maybe automatically file a launchpad bug stating "couldnt upload because too many builds in queue for dailies"
[11:07] <asac> :-P
[11:07] <asac> j.k.
[11:11] <fta> asac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/ppa.txt
[11:12] <fta> but strangely, it's less granular than on the web site (lp)
[11:16] <fta> asac, i really think we should stay like that, it will expose the problem more clearly, and people will start to take actions (either by pushing their stuff in a different time slot, or by filing bugs, or by hacking lp)
[11:16] <fta> or by adding more builders ;)
[11:22] <asac> hmm. ok
[11:23] <asac> but can we use an earlier time ;)
[11:23] <asac> 2009/07/08 02:18:01	139	502	70	3	4	4
[11:24] <asac> oops
[11:24] <asac> 2009/07/08 02:18:01	139	502	70	3	4	4
[11:24] <asac> hmm
[11:24] <asac> 502
[11:24] <fta> langpacks, maybe
[11:24] <fta> ask pitti
[11:26] <fta> asac, initially, i didn't want to push that during business hours
[11:26] <asac> yeah. but seems that european afternoon/early evening is the worst time
[11:27] <asac> because US has business and we are in sparetime high
[12:27] <fta> asac, sending ia32-libs_2.7ubuntu7~fta3 to my staging ppa..
[12:27] <fta> freshly updated
[12:28] <asac> fta: great. i will be back at home later today and can check it right away too. did you do some testing?
[12:28] <fta> no, i'm on 32bit here too
[12:28] <fta> but i'm sick of all those ia32 bug reports
[12:28] <asac> ok. so i will check. hopefully we get something this time that we can upload
[12:29] <EruditeHermit> hey guys
[12:29] <EruditeHermit> any idea why o3d on 64bit is really slow compared to native 32bit?
[12:30] <asac> hi
[12:30] <fta> asac, no rush, the builders are still busy since yesterday :P
[12:30] <asac> EruditeHermit: maybe something falls back to software?
[12:30] <asac> hehe
[12:30] <asac> fta: did anything from our dailies not finish yet?
[12:30] <fta> EruditeHermit, probably no dri when running the 32bit binaries
[12:30] <asac> but looks like they catch up
[12:30] <fta> asac, no, for once, it's not us
[12:31] <asac> 14/3/3
[12:31] <asac> hehe
[12:31] <EruditeHermit> fta: how come?
[12:31] <asac> i think its still the end of our impact that we see this morning ;)
[12:31] <EruditeHermit> and how would you tell?
[12:31] <fta> try glxinfo from the 32bit deb
[12:32] <asac> thats first approach
[12:32] <asac> not sure if libCg is clearly bug free on amd64
[12:32] <EruditeHermit> I am using libCg 2.2
[12:32] <EruditeHermit> 2.1 doesn't work
[12:32] <asac> not at all or just not on amd64?
[12:33] <EruditeHermit> not at all for AMD cards
[12:33] <EruditeHermit> ATI/AMD
[12:34] <asac> k
[12:34] <asac> fta: do we have any trick how to get rid of the normal stamp-makefile-build: rule from CDBS?
[12:34] <EruditeHermit> what do you mean by glxinfo from 32bit deb?
[12:35] <asac> EruditeHermit: get the 32bit deb where glxinfo is in
[12:35] <asac> and run it
[12:35] <asac> e.g. extract it somewhere
[12:35] <asac> and run
[12:35] <EruditeHermit> oh
[12:36] <asac> fta: or just touch debian/stamp-makefile-build
[12:36] <asac> ?
[12:36] <asac> ;)
[12:36] <EruditeHermit> thats a good idea
[12:37] <fta> asac, what for?
[12:38] <asac> fta: i want to do my own
[12:38] <asac> fta: http://pastebin.com/f56c10010
[12:39] <asac> i hate the idea to extend the normal make command with MOZ_PROFILE_GENERATE and then add another rule that hopefully gets run after that which does the rest
[12:40] <fta> EruditeHermit, for me, it fails like this:
[12:40] <fta> Jul 14 13:33:46 <fta>   intel x64 fails because of this:
[12:40] <fta> Jul 14 13:33:47 <fta>   libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/lib/dri/tls/i965_dri.so
[12:40] <fta> Jul 14 13:33:47 <fta>   libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so
[12:40] <fta> Jul 14 13:33:47 <fta>   libGL error: dlopen /usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64)
[12:40] <fta> Jul 14 13:33:47 <fta>   libGL error: unable to load driver: i965_dri.so
[12:40] <fta> Jul 14 13:33:47 <fta>   libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/lib/dri/tls/swrast_dri.so
[12:40] <fta> Jul 14 13:33:47 <fta>   libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so
[12:40] <fta> Jul 14 13:33:47 <fta>   libGL error: dlopen /usr/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64)
[12:40] <fta> Jul 14 13:33:47 <fta>   libGL error: unable to load driver: swrast_dri.so
[12:41] <fta> Jul 14 13:33:47 <fta>   libGL error: reverting to indirect rendering
[12:41] <EruditeHermit> fta: for me it says it has DRI enabled
[12:41] <EruditeHermit> and is using fglrx
[12:41] <fta> for me, gl doesn't know how to load from /usr/lib32
[12:42] <EruditeHermit> fta: http://pastebin.com/m65ba9eab
[12:43] <fta> hm, strange, so i don't know
[12:44] <fta> for me it's clearly broken because of ia32 / gl
[12:45] <EruditeHermit> its the mouse rotation that is really slow
[12:47] <EruditeHermit> ah
[12:47] <EruditeHermit> it happens when there are large meshes
[12:47] <EruditeHermit> lots of vertex data
[12:48] <EruditeHermit> why would that be?
[12:48] <gnomefreak> i just broke thunderbird. i lost the sortby and threaded menu options under view menu? any idea on how to get it back?
[12:49] <gnomefreak> also lost message pane view menu entry
[12:51] <gnomefreak> duye to whatever i did cuased my email to not be whown in that box either
[12:53] <gnomefreak> rename it == fix it most likely however i need those emails that are already there and new profile will not help that
[13:00] <gnomefreak> ok look slike i hit view>sort by> grouped by sort. how to i reverse this if it greys the sort by and threaded menu entries?
[13:04] <asac> gnomefreak: maybe its daily breakage?
[13:04] <asac> try to downgrade
[13:04] <asac> to yesterdays build
[13:05] <gnomefreak> asac: im just now getting an update for it. it was working fine until i did that. i got this update ~20 hours ago or so
[13:07] <gnomefreak> i was unable to find something in advanced settings that could causes this only on one box. and there is no restore defaults anywhere
[13:08] <gnomefreak> hm maybe safe mode?
[13:10] <gnomefreak> just the inbox of that email box
[13:11] <asac> hmm. doesnt bzr bd log the output somewhere?
[13:11] <gnomefreak> asac: i have 4 sorttype errors in error console
[13:11] <gnomefreak> asac: isnt it in ~/.bzr.log or .bzrlog
[13:12] <gnomefreak> asac: .bzr.log
[13:12] <gnomefreak> isnt that it? other wise i pipe it to a file its easier that way
[13:14] <gnomefreak> asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/227118/ line 1572 do you see anything that can help me?
[13:16] <gnomefreak> --safe-mode no help
[13:16] <asac> gnomefreak: yes.
[13:16] <asac> have you downgraded?
[13:17] <asac> try to downgrade
[13:17] <asac> then we have to check what they changed and see if they already fixed it in hg
[13:17] <asac> otherwise file a bug or prod them in #maildev
[13:18] <gnomefreak> 3.0~b4~hg20090722r3117
[13:18] <asac> yes. does the day before that fix it?
[13:19] <gnomefreak> that update i just got was yesterdays build the one i broke it on was i guess the 21st
[13:19] <gnomefreak> 3.0~b4~hg20090721r3111 was the one i was working in when i messed it up than it updated to the ...22..... build and still there
[13:21] <asac> do you know how to retrigger when starting with fresh profile?
[13:21] <gnomefreak> asac: do i know how to do it again with new profile?
[13:24] <gnomefreak> it seems new profile fixed it i can not reproduce it with clean one. how do i fix mine though :(
[13:26] <fta> asac, Estimated build start:  	in 59 seconds
[13:26] <asac> not so bad
[13:28] <gnomefreak> would install --reinstall help?
[13:28] <asac> gnomefreak: to downgrade? no you need to go down explicitly
[13:28] <asac> you will figure
[13:28] <gnomefreak> asac: i know how to down grade
[13:28] <asac> i am about to go out for some extended afternoon errands
[13:28] <asac> will be back in 2-3h
[13:28] <gnomefreak> not the point. downgrading is still using same profile
[13:28] <asac> gnomefreak: your problem is not a --reinstall problem
[13:29] <asac> sorry have to run
[13:29] <gnomefreak> asac: its a configure setting in profile
[13:29] <eagles0513875> morning
[13:29] <eagles0513875> i think ssh is broken or something of the sort
[13:31] <gnomefreak> "somehting worng" == ???? chant log in? cant connect?
[13:32] <eagles0513875> cant login saying password is incorrect but it is
[13:34] <gnomefreak> sh than is it? im thnking more like ssh-ask-password or another password handler
[13:34] <gnomefreak> not ssh than is it that should ready
[13:34] <gnomefreak> read
[13:35] <gnomefreak> oh shit i think i backed it up yesterday
[13:36] <gnomefreak> or not
[13:43] <eagles0513875> its ssh
[13:44] <gnomefreak> using bzr push using ssh+bzr it works
[13:44] <eagles0513875> ?
[13:44] <gnomefreak> s/using/uses
[13:44] <eagles0513875> might need to upgrade since i havent upgraded anything on there since upgrading yesterday
[13:44] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: as i understand it bzr push ssh's into bzr than bzr pushes it
[13:44] <eagles0513875> ?
[13:44] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: what version of ssh?
[13:45] <eagles0513875> let me run upstairs and check im trying to connect from my mac
[13:45] <gnomefreak> ah bzr doesnt require ssh so i dont have it installed
[13:46] <bluekuja> hi all
[13:46] <bluekuja> asac, this evening your debian system is back?
[13:46] <gnomefreak> bluekuja: hes gone for a few hours
[13:46] <eagles0513875> hey bluekuja
[13:46] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: its openssh 5.1
[13:47] <bluekuja> gnomefreak, ty
[13:47] <eagles0513875> thats the server im running on that box
[13:47] <bluekuja> eagles0513875, hello :)
[13:47] <eagles0513875> bluekuja: = blueskaj O_O or not
[13:47] <bluekuja> bluekuja is bluekuja
[13:47] <bluekuja> lol
[13:47] <eagles0513875> ok
[13:47] <eagles0513875> apologies
[13:48] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: you mean the guy from #kubuntu?
[13:48] <eagles0513875> ya and offtopic
[13:49] <bluekuja> eagles0513875, np
[13:49] <gnomefreak> confused me too but i learned they are not same person
[13:49] <eagles0513875> hehe im seeing blue all over the place but now i know they not the same
[13:50] <gnomefreak> :)
[13:50] <eagles0513875> you guys wanna laugh a bit
[13:50] <gnomefreak> better than me crying over breaking this
[13:53] <eagles0513875> ] <alteregoa> i would like to see a koala eating a eucalypt tree on the moon,
[13:53] <eagles0513875> idea for grub 2 spalshscreen lol
[14:05] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: this is worse then on release day
[14:06] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: it only get worse. i can end it but that would be bad (at leat my way)
[14:07] <eagles0513875> ya you think my openssh issue could be related to an upgrade problem?
[14:07] <asac> bluekuja: with some luck y.
[14:07] <eagles0513875> morning asac
[14:08] <bluekuja> asac, k, gonna ping you late this evening/night
[14:08] <eagles0513875> asac: you use ssh much
[14:09] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: everything is related to upgrade until you find out different. just assume upgrade broke it :)
[14:09] <asac> hi eagles0513875
[14:09] <eagles0513875> ya it probably did
[14:09] <asac> not sure if that question calls for work
[14:10] <eagles0513875> gonna purge openssh and reinstall and see if that fixes it
[14:10] <asac> i use ssh just for some stuff
[14:10] <eagles0513875> asac: cuz im trying to ssh to my linux box upstairs from my mac and i upgraded from jaunty to karmic yesterday and for some reason it doesnt want to accept my password when i know its correct
[14:10] <gnomefreak> oh hell blame apple
[14:10] <eagles0513875> haha
[14:11] <eagles0513875> it was working yesterday before the upgrade fyi so this isnt apple this time
[14:11] <asac> eagles0513875: usually should work. your ssh daemon might be set to "no password" mode
[14:11] <eagles0513875> tried no password
[14:11] <asac> eagles0513875: ssh -v hostname -lusername
[14:11] <asac> what do you get?
[14:11] <eagles0513875> still pops up again asking for it
[14:12] <asac> add an authorized key thats better than password anyway
[14:12] <eagles0513875> i did then it asks for password
[14:12] <eagles0513875> it did yesterday when i tried it
[14:13] <eagles0513875> brb gonna purge openssh and reinstall
[14:13] <asac> ssh -v
[14:13] <asac> that might give a hint
[14:17] <eagles0513875> its open  ssh 5.1 this is the server im running on the linux box upstairs
[14:17] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: the links to the isos here are broken https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-June/000578.html
[14:18] <eagles0513875> asac: version is same on this laptop as well
[14:20] <eagles0513875> blarg :( its a bug in the server
[14:20] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: hold on they may just be being updated with a3
[14:20] <eagles0513875> ok
[14:20] <eagles0513875> i think a reinstall is in order the upgrade broke
[14:20] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: they were updated to a3
[14:20] <gnomefreak> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/alpha-3/
[14:20] <gnomefreak> your looking at something that was writen a month ago
[14:21] <eagles0513875> ya
[14:21] <eagles0513875> isnt that ubuntu though
[14:22] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: but if you read the links they give they say "alpha-2" those links are no longer valid since they updated the seervers to use a3
[14:22] <gnomefreak> you will get it in email (assuming you are on that list)
[14:23] <eagles0513875> ahhh gotcha
[14:23] <asac> eagles0513875: try on max ssh localhost
[14:23] <asac> try the same on ubuntu
[14:23] <asac> this should show you if ther eis a general problem or a mac-linux issue
[14:24] <asac> s/on max/on mac/
[14:24] <eagles0513875> brb gonna run upstairs
[14:26] <eagles0513875> seems like a mac issue
[14:26] <eagles0513875> i think
[14:26] <eagles0513875> ssh local host on mac gets teh connection refused on kubuntu it works when i run ssh localhost
[14:28] <gnomefreak> asac: on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnash/+bug/398213 is there a work around i have someone bugging me about it
[14:28] <gnomefreak> its the update-alrternatives bug
[14:30]  * gnomefreak thinks iddo should not even be thinking of installing karmic if he cant find the installer
[14:30] <eagles0513875> hehe i cant either for kubuntu that link u gave me gnomefreak is for ubuntu
[14:31] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: replace work ubuntu with kubuntu
[14:31] <eagles0513875> ahh
[14:33] <eagles0513875> tried that gnomefreak said the page cant be found so they must be updating it or something
[14:34] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: IIRC kubntu works on thier own isos and cj... pushes
[14:34] <gnomefreak> but if kubuntu guys are not done link wont work
[14:34] <eagles0513875> ya doesnt look like they are done yet
[14:35] <gnomefreak> that is my guess
[14:38] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: it normally gets posted on the website wether it is kubuntu or ubuntu right
[14:39] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: the wiki might have it  but most of times the links are thier just not working due to lack of iso on server
[14:39] <eagles0513875> well no links on wiki yet so ill just wait it out
[14:40] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: use daily than
[14:41] <eagles0513875> !daily
[14:41] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: whats the difference between the 2 links the 2nd one is a live cd and first isnt?
[14:41] <gnomefreak> may have to change ubuntu to kubuntu but i dont know when tiers are posted
[14:41] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: right
[14:41] <gnomefreak> thiers
[14:42] <eagles0513875> seems like kubuntu daily doesnt work either its not finding the page
[14:42] <eagles0513875> nm found it
[14:52] <eagles0513875> its a mac lin issue
[14:59] <gnomefreak> i still cant find a backup-manager that compresses the files/diffs after backing up
[14:59] <gnomefreak> i have  abug in for deja-dup but it will be a while before that happens most likely
[15:00] <eagles0513875> haha ssh form mac to lin works operator error replace operator
[15:33] <gnomefreak> ok im gone for a while
[15:39] <fta> needs-packaging   	1748 pfff
[15:46] <jcastro> hi fta
[15:47] <jcastro> fta, are you going to link up and enable flash in your builds or just turn it on when upstream does?
[15:47] <jcastro> for chromium I mean
[15:48] <fta> jcastro, http://identi.ca/notice/6796569
[15:49] <jcastro> ah, thanks!
[15:49] <fta> jcastro, i discussed this topic with upstream, they don't recommend it for massive deployment, it makes gmail slower
[15:49] <fta> i mean, --enable-plugins
[15:50] <fta> jcastro, ^^, so i provide hooks to do it, that file or an env var for those who are not root
[15:50] <jcastro> ah ok, I was just wondering if you were discussing it with upstream
[15:52] <fta> jcastro, i do, i discuss with them almost every day, and i also the 1st to implement most of their new stuff, like the sandbox
[15:52] <jcastro> \o/
[15:53] <jcastro> I see you commenting on bugs and stuff too
[15:53] <jcastro> I sent them a mail when I was at guadec
[15:53] <jcastro> it's getting quite good!
[15:53] <fta> jcastro, yep, i'm bug control there now
[15:54] <fta> jcastro, and author, but that's limited to patches making my life easier for the packaging
[15:54] <jcastro> heh
[15:55] <jcastro> after flash the only thing I'm missing is gears, then I'll be happy
[15:55] <fta> we're currently working on system libs for linux
[15:55] <jcastro> but prism/gears works for me for now
[15:56] <fta> there probably won't be gears for chromium.. hold on, there's a bug for that
[15:56] <jcastro> I couldn't find a bug
[15:56] <fta> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=17443
[15:57]  * jcastro stars
[15:57] <fta> :)
[15:57] <jcastro> ah I see, so they are skipping it
[15:57] <jcastro> that is fine too since I guess gmail will use html5 at some point
[15:58]  * asac thinks this upgrade is a good time to keep ffox 35 open to check if ubufox properly suggests a restarte
[15:58] <jcastro> ok off to debconf, ttyl, thanks for the info
[15:58] <asac> jcastro: good luck for your travel/flight
[15:58] <jcastro> thanks!
[15:58] <asac> its hot in extremadura ;)
[15:59] <asac> which translated from latin means (yes, mine is rusty, so could be differnt): extremely hard ;)
[16:02] <fta> almost french, extreme + dur
[16:12] <fta> asac, lol, the adm64 ppa queue went down to 0 only between 17:50 and 18:20 today
[16:23] <asac> thought our builds would be in at that time so it shouldnt be 0 ;)
[16:47] <e-jat> asac: r u upgrading to alpha3?
[16:51] <asac> e-jat: i am running karmic since alpha1
[16:52] <asac> just upgrading after a few days away from this system
[16:52]  * e-jat seeking for nearest mirror which have sync the alpha3 :)
[16:52] <asac> i have picked my mirror once based on how up to date it was and how close it was
[16:53] <asac> and i never looked back
[16:53] <asac> its much snappier than archive.ubuntu.com
[16:53] <asac> and only lags like 1-4 hours behind (full archive)
[16:53] <e-jat> asac: u use archive.ubuntu.com ?
[16:53] <asac> i did
[16:53] <e-jat> ok thanks .. let me try that ..
[16:53] <asac> if you develop stuff you often dont want to wait another few hours
[16:53] <asac> it has good bandwidth, but not as good as the mirror i am using
[16:54] <asac> and i dont use the primary mirror for "de" country. that one lacks behind quite a few days
[16:54] <e-jat> yeah
[16:55] <e-jat> asac: but sometime if major dist upgrade .. ill do it at office since it host the mirror
[16:56] <e-jat> or am i already in alpha3 ? theres no update for me at all :(
[16:56] <e-jat> even i use archive.ubuntu.com
[16:57] <asac> heh
[16:57] <asac> most likely
[16:57] <asac> if you run karmic you probably are running it for a few days
[16:59] <e-jat> hmm
[17:07] <e-jat> k .. hopefully to upgrade my laptop to alpha3 a.s.a.p :0
[17:07] <micahg> it amazes me how many people are complaining about multisearch in a development release
[17:31] <fta> asac, my new ia32-libs is no better than the previous one. npviewer.bin crashes
[17:32] <asac> micahg: heh. thats normal
[17:32] <asac> micahg: i will eventually reply and try to address the concerns raised
[17:32] <asac> fta: sigh
[17:33] <asac> micahg: i used the multisearch tag
[17:33] <asac> micahg: maybe do that too if you get new ones (or merge them into existing ones)
[17:33] <asac> i would like to try to keep invidivual aspects separate though
[17:33] <asac> otherwise we will end up with an unusable mega-bug
[18:46] <fta> asac, any idea?
[19:18] <asac> fta: i have to install it first. you have a link to .deb?
[19:19] <fta> asac, https://edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+archive/staging/+files/ia32-libs_2.7ubuntu7~fta3_amd64.deb
[19:41] <asac> hmm. didnt i fix the lsb-base linkae problem at some point
[20:08] <micahg> asac: does apport use firefox exclusively or can it use any browser?
[20:08] <asac> micahg: i think it can use any browser
[20:09] <micahg> ok, pitti's comment in 401055 suggests that it only uses FF, shouldn't it point to x-www-browser?
[20:09] <micahg> or call that?
[20:10] <micahg> oops
[20:10] <micahg> bug 401055
[20:10] <asac> well. could be that other browsers dont provide all the feature required
[20:10] <asac> micahg: i have a band-aid for that
[20:10] <asac> didnt i comment on it?`
[20:10] <micahg> maybe
[20:10] <micahg> I might now have gotten the e-mail yet
[20:11] <micahg> *not
[20:12] <asac> micahg: my email was before pittis
[20:12] <micahg> oh
[21:16] <fta> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/29429478/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-lpia.firefox-3.5_3.5.2~hg20090723r26117%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[21:36] <fta> asac, i386      438 builds waiting in queue
[21:37] <asac> bummer
[21:37] <asac> file a bug ;)
[21:37] <rickspencer3> hi all
[21:37] <asac> hey rick ;) ... welcome back from the solitude
[21:38] <asac> its rare that our channel is completely empty nowadays ;)
[21:38] <rickspencer3> :)
[21:40] <fta> for some reason, it's even getting popular
[21:40] <fta> maybe the -daily effect..
[21:40] <asac> ;)
[21:41] <asac> also firefox-3.5 is out effect gave us a few more
[21:41] <fta> grr, i need a ia32-libs-dbg
[21:42] <fta> what would that be, 5GB source package? :P
[21:42] <asac> jdstrand: could you copy the xul 1.9.1 and ffox 3.5.1 to karmic now that alpha is out?
[21:42] <asac> jdstrand: oh sorry. confused. 1.9 and 3.0 ;)
[21:43] <asac> jdstrand:  firefox-3.0 - 3.0.12+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu2   xulrunner-1.9 - 1.9.0.12+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu1
[21:43] <asac> jdstrand: thanks. i am off
[21:43] <asac> will lurk check in 2-3h before going to bed
[21:55] <micahg> do we have to repackage flashplugin-nonfree if a new version comes out from adobe?
[21:55] <micahg> I guess that's a silly qeustion
[21:59] <BUGabundo> hey guys
[21:59] <BUGabundo> micahg: well no
[21:59] <BUGabundo> just fix the md5 hash on it
[21:59] <BUGabundo> to match the one on the adobe website
[22:00] <micahg> BUGabundo: it's a silly question because we have to bump the version anyways
[22:00] <BUGabundo> right
[22:39] <asac> micahg: when release comes out we update the url used to download it and the md5/sha1 sums
[22:39] <asac> so yeah
[22:39] <asac> but we use url from partner repo because thats more reliably
[22:39] <micahg> ok, I'm going to file a security vulnerability against the flash package for the new adobe exploit
[22:40] <asac> yeah
[22:40] <jdstrand> asac: done
[22:40] <asac> jdstrand: gratias
[22:40] <jdstrand> np
[22:42] <BUGabundo> asac: I want my FF Search back :(
[22:43] <asac> BUGabundo: disable the addon ;)
[22:43] <BUGabundo> :\
[22:43] <BUGabundo> I don't like co-search
[22:43] <BUGabundo> don't have images link
[22:43] <micahg> asac: what I was wondering before is if apport should use the system browser vs firefox %url%
[22:43] <asac> micahg: i think it does
[22:43] <micahg> I actually have a bug for this
[22:43] <asac> i think what pitti said ws more an example
[22:44] <micahg> at least with xfce
[22:44] <asac> if not then i agree ;)
[22:44] <micahg> ok
[22:44] <micahg> :)
[22:44] <micahg> becuase right now it uses ff3 instead of 3,5
[22:44] <asac> micahg: have you update x-www-browser?
[22:44] <asac> (alternative)?
[22:44] <micahg> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 2009-03-29 00:43 /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser -> /usr/bin/firefox-3.1
[22:45] <asac> 3.1 is old isnt it?
[22:45] <micahg> yep
[22:45] <micahg> it's a broken symlink
[22:45] <micahg> back frmo beta jaunty
[22:46] <asac> hmm. then fix that
[22:46] <asac> maybe it helps ;)
[22:46] <micahg> isn't that package provided?
[22:46] <BUGabundo> why not xopen URL?
[22:46] <asac> the package yes, but the link?
[22:46] <asac> not sure
[22:46] <micahg> I didn't make it :)
[22:46] <BUGabundo> then again U1 is having a war with bugs on that
[22:49]  * micahg is testing
[22:50] <micahg> still launched firefox 3 :)
[22:50] <micahg> maybe I have to restart apport
[22:51] <BUGabundo> micahg: what does alternatives say ?
[22:51] <asac> maybe gnome-open?
[22:51] <asac> i think thats the one it uses. yeas
[22:51] <BUGabundo> asac: errr gnome (and xfce) specific :(
[22:51] <micahg> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 2009-05-03 10:32 gnome-www-browser -> /usr/bin/epiphany-gecko
[22:52] <fta> asac, http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=12351
[22:52] <asac> gnome-open?
[22:52] <micahg> don't have it
[22:52] <micahg> I'm using xfce
[22:53] <asac> hmm. file a bug against apport then
[22:53] <asac> doesnt xfce ship gnome-open?
[22:53] <micahg> bug 350784
[22:54] <asac> incomplete ;)
[22:54] <asac> Ah, you are using XFCE. Honestly I don't know where XFCE stores its preferred browser setting. If someone finds out, I'm happy to add that to apport.
[22:55] <micahg> yeah
[22:55] <micahg> guess I dropped the ball :)
[22:55] <asac> hehe
[22:55] <BUGabundo> micahg: don't worry
[22:55] <asac> i thought xfce has its own XXX-open wrapper
[22:55] <BUGabundo> asac uses even less comon stuff
[22:55] <asac> that is then checking whatever is configured
[22:56]  * asac uses gnome :)
[22:56] <BUGabundo> back again?
[22:56] <BUGabundo> werent you using a ligth WM ?
[22:56] <asac> nah. ;)
[22:56] <asac> i like openbox ;)
[22:57]  * Twigathy likes ratpoison on low-res screens and xfce with almost everything disabled on high-res ones :)
[22:57] <asac> xfce uses metacity?
[22:57] <Twigathy> ratpoison is great - it's like screen for X >_<
[22:57] <Twigathy> I...don't have a metacity instance running :o
[22:57]  * Twigathy wonders what makes the wallpaper on his desktop appear
[22:58] <asac> compiz?
[22:58] <Twigathy> nope...
[22:59] <Twigathy> xfdesktop maybe?
[23:02] <fta> $ ps aux | grep ssh | grep -c defunct
[23:02] <fta> 66
[23:02] <fta> :(
[23:03] <asac> whats going on there?
[23:03] <asac> 66 defunct?
[23:03] <asac> sounds like a bad state ;)
[23:04] <BUGabundo> hey fta
[23:04] <fta> on the server, each session leaves a zombie behind
[23:07] <fta> i can reproduce
[23:18] <asac> when did that start?
[23:20] <fta> noticed that several days ago
[23:20] <fta> but i had to reboot the server since, for a kernel update, and it's still there
[23:22] <asac> i386      413 builds waiting in queue
[23:24] <fta> http://climenole.wordpress.com/2009/07/23/linus-torvald-quote-of-the-day/
[23:28] <BUGabundo> fta: coming from a guy that says : "code in C or don't code at all"
[23:28] <fta> i could say that too
[23:29] <fta> code in C/perl/shell or don't code at all
[23:31] <fta> lol, from the same blog: http://climenole.wordpress.com/2009/07/21/firefox-3-5-ubuntu-whats-new-and-how-to-get-it/
[23:32] <BUGabundo> fta: but linus said that about kernel coding
[23:32] <BUGabundo> seem a nice blog for me to add
[23:33] <fta> BUGabundo, i could say that about anything
[23:34] <BUGabundo> but you aren't Linus !!!!!
[23:34] <fta> that's why i used "could" in both of my sentences
[23:35] <slash_network> when I try to install firefox 3.5 (freshly downlowded) on jaunty, I've taped "$sh run-mozilla.sh", I've got the error "run-mozilla.sh: Cannot execute" (the same error as root). So what's the problem ?
[23:35] <asac> 1st. dont start ffox as root :)
[23:36] <asac> 2nd. why do you run run-mozilla.sh?
[23:36] <asac> slash_network: ?
[23:36] <asac> why not use firefox-3.5 aka /usr/bin/firefox-3.5
[23:37] <slash_network> 1: thx for the information :)
[23:37] <slash_network> 2: I've tryed the commande above to install ff
[23:37] <BUGabundo> slash_network: when you have it on the repos and PPAs?
[23:37] <asac> slash_network: sudo apt-get install firefox-3.5 firefox-3.5-gnome-support
[23:37] <asac> try that
[23:37] <asac> then run firefox-3.5
[23:37] <asac> ;)
[23:38] <slash_network> okey, thank you very much :-D
[23:38] <asac> np
[23:40] <asac> grrr
[23:40] <asac> ia32 libs is annoying now ,)
[23:40] <asac> didnt i fix nspluginwrapper at some point to link against upstream libs?
[23:40] <asac> what happened to that
[23:40] <asac> or is this a dejavu?
[23:42] <asac> oh
[23:42] <asac> i didnt upload it as it seems
[23:42] <fta> asac, if you update nspluginwrapper, plz add a -dbg
[23:42] <asac> whats going on ;)
[23:42] <asac> heh. well let me first see if the new nspluginwrapper kills the segfault
[23:42] <asac> or rather error
[23:43] <asac> hmm. i think i remember that it didnt help, which is why i probably dropped the ball on uploading
[23:43] <asac> fta: whts wrong with -dbgsym?
[23:43] <asac> we usually have no security updates
[23:43] <asac> so -dbgsym should be ok
[23:45] <fta> is there one?
[23:45] <fta> fta@cube:~ $ apt-cache madison nspluginwrapper-dbgsym
[23:45] <fta> fta@cube:~ $ apt-cache madison nspluginwrapper-dbg
[23:45] <fta> fta@cube:~ $
[23:46] <asac> fta: dbgsym packages are not in the archive
[23:46] <asac> they are on ddebs.ubuntu.com
[23:46] <asac> deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com karmic main universe
[23:46] <fta> so what?
[23:46] <fta> fta@cube:~ $ apt-cache madison scim-bridge-agent-dbgsym
[23:46] <fta> scim-bridge-agent-dbgsym | 0.4.16-2ubuntu2 | http://ddebs.ubuntu.com karmic/main Packages
[23:47] <fta> there's none
[23:47]  * BUGabundo hates how blueprints changes look on email
[23:47] <BUGabundo> I can never tell what changed
[23:47] <BUGabundo> so it is not good
[23:48] <fta> same here, i asked for a diff once
[23:48] <BUGabundo> and?
[23:48] <BUGabundo> wontfix?
[23:48] <fta> they sent me to hell
[23:48] <fta> or something
[23:49] <fta> brb
[23:50] <BUGabundo> humm
[23:50] <BUGabundo> well now its OS
[23:50] <fta2> well, not quite brb
[23:50] <BUGabundo> OOS
[23:50] <BUGabundo> grr
[23:50] <BUGabundo> OSS
[23:50] <BUGabundo> you can make a diff
[23:51] <BUGabundo> if you find the time
[23:51] <fta2> give me my ctrl alt backspace back, the magic key just do a kernel panic
[23:51] <fta2> does
[23:52] <fta2> now fsck on my disks
[23:52] <BUGabundo> ahah
[23:54] <asac_> 00:46 < fta> scim-bridge-agent-dbgsym | 0.4.16-2ubuntu2 | http://ddebs.ubuntu.com karmic/main Packages
[23:54] <fta2> well, i had a look at the code, it's cryptic to me, bits of everything everywhere
[23:54] <asac_> 00:47 < asac> thats odd then
[23:54] <asac_> 00:48 < asac> not sure if we can produce 32-bit dbg symbols during 64 build
[23:54] <asac_> 00:49 < asac> maybe two dh_strip runs
[23:54] <asac_> 00:49 < asac> sounds ugly
[23:54] <fta2> BUGabundo, ^^
[23:56] <BUGabundo> I read it fta2
[23:56] <BUGabundo> seems like asac likes to talk to him self!
[23:57] <fta2> just meant it was for you, not for asac
[23:57] <BUGabundo> (11:54:03 PM) fta2: well, i had a look at the code, it's cryptic to me, bits of everything everywhere
[23:57] <BUGabundo> I know
[23:57] <BUGabundo> I'm blond, not stupid
[23:57] <fta2> lol
[23:57] <asac> lol
[23:58] <BUGabundo> fta2: want I _meant_ to say is that asac talks to himself, when he losses connection
[23:59] <BUGabundo> so maybe be I'm not the only blond around here????
[23:59] <asac> it needs a lot of sun for me to become blond ;)