[02:59] <Harryy> Hi. I need to be DCC exploit tested.
[02:59] <Harryy> 21:59:06 <@FloodBot1> Harryy: Sorry, but I am unable to test you (are you using  your usual nickname?). Please contact the operators (type  « /topic » to find out how).
[03:02] <Harryy> can someone please /msg me the "exploit" so I can see if I fixed it?
[03:02] <Pici> Harryy: Are you being redirected to the read-topic channel?
[03:03] <Harryy> yes, I think so
[03:04] <Harryy> please see if I fixed it, Pici?
[03:06] <Pici> Harryy: try doing the 'test me' again in -read-topic. I've flagged you as having the exploit.
[06:23] <DBO> any freenode staffers in?
[06:26] <ikonia> guys, for the record I've put a forward on paddy_melons ip to here as since his friend was unbanned he kept sending my pm messages like "you lose", I let it, go, but I woke up this moring to another set of messages with things like "in your face!"
[06:27] <ikonia> he seems to feel a need to "gloat" about his friend being unbanned which isn't really in line with the "stop messing around/being rude to people" promise he made when HE himself was unbanned
[06:27] <ikonia> 02:56 <padd1> in ur face!!!!!
[06:27] <ikonia> 06:24 -!- padd1 [n=paddy_me@121.216.34.236]
[06:28] <bazhang> heads up on j_dahmer
[06:29] <ikonia> is he known ?
[06:29] <bazhang> yep, really nasty troll (aka smis, tonymontana and a few others)
[06:29] <ikonia> new one to me
[06:33] <nalioth> DBO: usually
[06:34] <DBO> someone already took care of it
[06:34] <DBO> thanks for the response nalioth
[07:22] <elky> ikonia, i gather you've told him to stop it numerous times?
[07:33] <topyli> nice
[08:16] <kuru> so what do I gotta do to get this ban removed? create a new nick?
[08:19] <topyli> no. whatever you do, don't do that. it would be ban evasion and a big no-no
[08:19] <kuru> topyli, it was a rhetorical question ;)
[08:19] <topyli> right :)
[08:19] <kuru> I've had this nick for over 10 years.. not about to change it cause someone was feeling a little too trigger-happy
[08:20] <kuru> so.. what's the process?
[08:23] <topyli> you seem to have been dealing with ikonia, with multiple problems in the past. you should talk to him when he's around
[08:23] <kuru> topyli, multiple problems?
[08:24] <topyli> well apparently only two problems (language and attitude) in multiple instances over time
[08:24] <kuru> topyli, wow, you guys keep a record of things? heh..
[08:24] <kuru> I don't believe I have used any expletives.
[08:25] <topyli> fortunately it's automatic :)
[08:25] <kuru> topyli, that is a bit creepy
[08:25] <kuru> topyli, so who do I complain to, about ops?
[08:25] <kuru> Who's the top dog?
[08:26]  * kuru thinks this whole thing is a bit much.
[08:26] <nalioth> kuru: you are here, doing so
[08:26] <kuru> ah, okay.. I just didn't know who was here and who was not.
[08:26] <topyli> here's where you begin
[08:26] <kuru> Okay, allow me to make my case then. I had an argument with Matt Darcy.
[08:26] <kuru> I asked a question that I knew was not 100% relevant to #ubuntu, but would have been related as I was looking for a NAS solution that would be running on Ubuntu.
[08:27] <kuru> I found that his response was condescending and rude.
[08:27] <kuru> I do admit that my reaction was not my best hour, but I believe I was provoked, unnecessarily.
[08:27] <topyli> kuru: by the way, while searching for your ban history i got some false positives about someone with a similar ident. sorry, your history is not so bad
[08:28] <kuru> topyli, okay then :)
[08:29] <nalioth> kuru: is the op here?
[08:29] <kuru> Even if ikonia was right to place a ban, I think it has played itself out and should be removed by now. I didn't use expletives (I've been an IRC'er for too long and know that there are younger people in these channels).
[08:29] <kuru> nalioth, probably asleep.
[08:30] <kuru> That's all I can think of right now.
[08:31] <kuru> In my view though, ikonia's attitude contradicts everything Ubuntu. The spirit of community and helping people out and not sending them off without even trying.. that's just not the Ubuntu I knew when it first came out
[08:33] <topyli> perhaps you felt provoked. please don't blame your own behavior on others though. be especially careful when drawing conclusions about their whole personalities based on a single event
[08:33] <kuru> topyli, I am banned for a single event.
[08:34] <kuru> topyli, I did not draw conclusions about anyone's personality. I am saying that this incident did not feel like an experience I would expect from the Ubuntu community.
[08:34] <kuru> I have been a contributor to Linux for a very long time.
[08:34] <kuru> It's not like I'm new to this.
[08:34] <topyli> i see in the log that he asked you to move your query elsewhere, you got angry and bad things happened. not a huge deal
[08:35] <kuru> topyli, yeah but I have to argue my case here for something that I agree.. is rather petty.
[08:35] <topyli> i guess you understand how important it is for a very large channel like #ubuntu to be 1) on topic and 2) very polite
[08:35] <kuru> back in the day, a quick /k would have been sufficient, person comes back and everyone is cool.
[08:36] <kuru> but banning me this long over that? it just feels excessive
[08:36] <kuru> topyli, As I have said, I don't believe that my reaction was exempelary.
[08:36] <topyli> well it's no use complaining about it after the fact. bans can be removed
[08:36] <topyli> i don't have ops on #ubutu though
[08:38] <topyli> anyway i guess it would be best if you came back in a few hours when ikonia is around and you chat with him
[08:39] <kuru> It's not like the channel was so busy that it couldn't handle a slightly off-topic conversation. Going to #hardware and asking if a certain motherboard with built-in RAID with drivers available on Linux and distributed by Ubuntu is a bit of a stretch.
[08:39] <kuru> So, the relevancy is debatable.
[08:40] <kuru> Oh is that how it works? I have to essentially apologize to the person who placed the ban?
[08:41] <topyli> no, you don't need to apologise to him, unless you have wronged him. it's about making sure you know the channel policy and will behave accordingly in the future
[08:41] <topyli> no use arguing the past really
[08:42] <kuru> I see.
[08:42] <kuru> topyli, thanks for engaging me.
[08:42] <topyli> no problem at all
[08:59] <ikonia> elky: correct yes
[09:00] <ikonia> ahhh I missed kuru
[09:00] <elky> ikonia, then he is harrassing you, and harrassment is against the policy of freenode. You may want to have a staffer investigate it so that you dont keep losing time and energy on him.
[09:02] <ikonia> elky: that's the plan - I've put the forward on to here to explain that he got the ban removed because he agreed to behave, he's not done that so he can take a week out to make it clear that if you promise to behave - you should do that, if he choses to keep going with his silly games I'll speak to freenode
[09:03] <ikonia> I'm trying to not be silly and go to freenode about things that aren't uncalled for so just cooling him out seems the best first step
[09:04] <elky> ikonia, sometimes just having a staffer talk to them scares them into behaving. that's all i'm suggesting you do.
[09:05] <ikonia> ahhh a good point
[09:05] <elky> ikonia, all it needs is for stew or someone to pm the twit with 'hey now, you know...'
[09:05] <ikonia> I may speak to Gary as he's tried with them before
[09:06] <elky> ikonia, allowing them to break the rules on us only makes it harder for us to enforce their behaviour elsewhere ;)
[09:09] <elky> not least because it burns us out and burnout makes us neglect and/or overcompensate.
[09:12] <ikonia> I've had a bad week to be honest, every single person I've had to ban/talk to has taken personal issue with it, I've found myself reviewing my own logs to make sure I wasn't actually rude
[09:13] <ikonia> feel ok now that I've re-read them and feel happy about them, but I was certainly questioning it yesterday
[10:57] <bazhang> ikonia, seems 100% aboveboard from my perspective
[10:57] <bazhang> just a huge influx of trolls/troublemakers the past few days
[10:57] <popey> school holidays perhaps?
[10:58] <elky> ikonia, it is burnout season
[10:58] <elky> popey, in Aus, yes.
[10:58] <bazhang> that and the eclipse
[10:58] <popey> yeah, schools here have broken up too
[10:58] <elky> bazhang, the eclipse doesn't explain all of it. it's been a revolting few weeks in general.
[10:58] <bazhang> and near complete flush of the ban list as well
[10:58] <bazhang> elky, true
[10:59] <elky> Schools here go back on monday.
[11:25] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu indus ban dodging
[11:26] <ikonia> ubottu is running well again
[11:26] <ikonia> @mark
[11:40] <ikonia> !ping
[11:40] <ikonia> @comment
[11:40] <ikonia> @mark
[11:42] <ikonia> bot's borked
[11:42] <ikonia> or a plugin wasn't loaded
[11:42] <ikonia> tsimpson: jpds ^
[11:43] <tsimpson> did you login?
[11:43] <tsimpson> @ping
[11:43] <ikonia> @login
[11:43] <ikonia> ahhh thats why
[11:43] <ikonia> I couldn't login the other day
[11:43] <ikonia> and still can't
[11:44] <tsimpson> hmm, it's still acting up...
[11:44] <tsimpson> I'll try restarting it again in a sec
[11:44] <ikonia> ta
[11:44] <tsimpson> and check a few things
[11:44] <ikonia> you're the boss
[12:18] <ikonia> @login
[12:18] <tsimpson> it always seems to take longer for ubottu to sync than I remember...
[12:18] <ikonia> ok
[12:18] <tsimpson> there we go
[12:19] <ikonia> cool, thanks
[12:19] <ikonia> @mark
[12:19] <tsimpson> just don't expect much of a log for your @mark now
[12:19] <ikonia> of corse
[12:19] <ikonia> I'll just update BT
[12:20] <bazhang> so indus is ban-dodging; was his/her ban for 48hrs?
[12:20] <tsimpson> I'll note down to make it a feature of BT2 to manually add logs, or maybe link to the official logs
[12:26] <gnomefreak> bazhang: i think he is the one from mailing list as well
[12:26] <gnomefreak> but i dont see him anywhere. not looking that hard either
[12:27] <bazhang> gnomefreak, shortie/shrimp talking about irc ops abuse?
[12:27] <gnomefreak> bazhang: oh that was him?
[12:27] <bazhang> gnomefreak, right, I was curious about indus, but if they are one and the same
[12:28] <gnomefreak> bazhang: i hope not
[12:28] <bazhang> hehe
[12:28] <ikonia> bazhang: yes, it was a 48 hour ban and it moaned about it for a long time, then seems to decide to ban dodge, which he/she lightly implied, but didn't say they would
[12:29] <ikonia> bazhang: shrimp and idus where/are not the same
[12:29] <gnomefreak> not much can be done for that though
[12:29] <bazhang> ikonia, okay, thanks for clearing that up; weird convergence yesterday of indus entering constantly, paddy1 and bernie,, then shrimp/shortie
[12:30] <ikonia> bazhang: that's why indus was banned from -ops as it was creating a distrcation for th others
[12:30] <bazhang> ikonia, right
[12:30] <ikonia> yesterday just seemed a bad day, if you look at the ip ranges they are all over the world, I know that doesn't mean anything fact, but it doesn't seem lilkey
[12:31] <bazhang> yep. just too much thinking about that #ubuntu-lovers channel in the back of my mind I guess
[12:37] <ikonia> wow, I didn't know boredandblogging had stepped down from the council, (not had email access for a while)
[12:47] <bazhang> weird
[13:42] <Seeker`> what is happening about replacing him?
[13:42] <Pici> Nothing yet.
[13:43] <bazhang> bernardlychan is unbanned? thought that was a few more days<--my memory must be shot
[13:43] <Pici> bazhang: No, jpds unbanned him.
[13:43] <bazhang> Pici, okay thanks; must have missed that one
[13:43] <elky> bernardlychan isn't the actual problem
[13:44] <bazhang> right, its the paddy1 taunting
[13:44] <elky> mr melon on the other hand...
[14:22] <jussio1> Woohoo, connectivity
[14:22] <jussio1> :)
[14:31] <Pici> jussio1: Welcome back, still on the boat?
[14:31] <jussio1> Pici: Yeps, till tomorrow
[14:44] <Pici> gnomefreak: hah
[14:45] <gnomefreak> hes working on my last never
[14:45] <gnomefreak> nerve
[14:46] <Pici> inevitable
[14:48] <gnomefreak> hes starting to sound trollish to me Pici
[14:48] <gnomefreak> hes looking for things to be wrong
[14:53] <jussio1> Im off. Bye all
[14:57] <ikonia> ooh I missed popeye the sailer
[14:57] <ikonia> sailor
[14:58] <popey> o_O
[14:59] <ikonia> not popey
[14:59] <ikonia> popeye
[14:59] <popey> yeah, sadly popeye gives me a hilight anyway :)
[14:59] <ikonia> sorry
[15:00] <popey> np :)
[15:00] <ikonia> maybe you should be popeye /
[15:00] <ikonia> ?
[15:01]  * popey glares at ikonia 
[15:01] <ikonia> maybe not.....
[15:04]  * Nafallo sees popeye getting tanks on his arms
[15:06] <ikonia> ha ha
[15:56] <ikonia> the interaction between scott and graviton was a pleasure to watch, first one this week
[17:57] <Pici> ikonia: Do you think that keepguessing is trolling or just has a fubared install?
[17:57] <ikonia> troll
[17:57] <ikonia> he has 3rd party fesity repos in his sources.list from an ubuntu 9.04 install from ubuntu.com
[17:57] <ikonia> his sources.list is also hardy based, but it's a clean install from ubuntu.com
[17:58] <ikonia> that's impossible, that's not even a corrupt image
[17:58] <Pici> I agree
[17:58] <ikonia> it's either a cd not from ubuntu.com
[17:58] <ikonia> or he's done something
[17:58] <ikonia> or it's a dirietive
[18:01] <ikonia> Pici: certainly not telling the truth
[18:02] <Pici> Definitely
[18:02] <ikonia> phew
[18:02] <ikonia> smart mouth part message from geoff
[18:15] <ikonia> gents, home time, laters
[18:16] <Pici> byas
[19:21] <Pici> ...
[19:21] <Pici> @login
[21:48] <ikonia> Pricey: what was he doing ?
[21:48] <Pricey>  /lastlog him
[21:48] <Pricey> was just in PM with him, accused of power abuse within minutes and just ugh
[21:49] <ikonia> another one
[21:49] <ikonia> the last 4 people I have spoke to have said the same thing
[21:49] <ikonia> I'm starting to wonder if someone is co-ordinating this
[21:49] <Pricey> or.... we are evil people
[21:49] <ikonia> as it's the first thing off everyone at the moment
[21:50] <Pricey> giving prince_jammys a query too
[21:50] <Pricey> he disconnected
[21:50] <Pricey> obviously not too bothered
[21:50] <Pricey> oh no, back
[22:05] <Mamarok> Pricey: remember Fujisan?
[22:05] <Pricey> oh yes
[22:05]  * ikonia offers the freenode hat
[22:05] <Pricey> What's he doing?
[22:06] <Mamarok> he is trolling in #kde-windows, quiet since I joined, but seems he did some trollfest before
[22:06] <Mamarok> will ask markey for logs
[22:42] <ikonia> Pricey: ha ha, that will teach you to be clever
[23:58] <ikonia> !away > Mike||gone