[00:02] <ubottu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, Daps said: ubottu: where is it?
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[02:59] <Harryy> Hi. I need to be DCC exploit tested.
[02:59] <Harryy> 21:59:06 <@FloodBot1> Harryy: Sorry, but I am unable to test you (are you using  your usual nickname?). Please contact the operators (type  « /topic » to find out how).
[03:02] <Harryy> can someone please /msg me the "exploit" so I can see if I fixed it?
[03:02] <Pici> Harryy: Are you being redirected to the read-topic channel?
[03:03] <Harryy> yes, I think so
[03:04] <Harryy> please see if I fixed it, Pici?
[03:06] <Pici> Harryy: try doing the 'test me' again in -read-topic. I've flagged you as having the exploit.
[06:22] <ubottu> sebsebseb called the ops in #ubuntu (DellaDuck  DVA5912)
[06:23] <DBO> any freenode staffers in?
[06:26] <ikonia> guys, for the record I've put a forward on paddy_melons ip to here as since his friend was unbanned he kept sending my pm messages like "you lose", I let it, go, but I woke up this moring to another set of messages with things like "in your face!"
[06:27] <ikonia> he seems to feel a need to "gloat" about his friend being unbanned which isn't really in line with the "stop messing around/being rude to people" promise he made when HE himself was unbanned
[06:27] <ikonia> 02:56 <padd1> in ur face!!!!!
[06:27] <ikonia> 06:24 -!- padd1 [n=paddy_me@121.216.34.236]
[06:28] <bazhang> heads up on j_dahmer
[06:29] <ikonia> is he known ?
[06:29] <bazhang> yep, really nasty troll (aka smis, tonymontana and a few others)
[06:29] <ikonia> new one to me
[06:33] <nalioth> DBO: usually
[06:34] <DBO> someone already took care of it
[06:34] <DBO> thanks for the response nalioth
[07:22] <elky> ikonia, i gather you've told him to stop it numerous times?
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[07:31] <ubottu> rww called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic ()
[07:33] <topyli> nice
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[08:16] <kuru> so what do I gotta do to get this ban removed? create a new nick?
[08:19] <topyli> no. whatever you do, don't do that. it would be ban evasion and a big no-no
[08:19] <kuru> topyli, it was a rhetorical question ;)
[08:19] <topyli> right :)
[08:19] <kuru> I've had this nick for over 10 years.. not about to change it cause someone was feeling a little too trigger-happy
[08:20] <kuru> so.. what's the process?
[08:23] <topyli> you seem to have been dealing with ikonia, with multiple problems in the past. you should talk to him when he's around
[08:23] <kuru> topyli, multiple problems?
[08:24] <topyli> well apparently only two problems (language and attitude) in multiple instances over time
[08:24] <kuru> topyli, wow, you guys keep a record of things? heh..
[08:24] <kuru> I don't believe I have used any expletives.
[08:25] <topyli> fortunately it's automatic :)
[08:25] <kuru> topyli, that is a bit creepy
[08:25] <kuru> topyli, so who do I complain to, about ops?
[08:25] <kuru> Who's the top dog?
[08:26]  * kuru thinks this whole thing is a bit much.
[08:26] <nalioth> kuru: you are here, doing so
[08:26] <kuru> ah, okay.. I just didn't know who was here and who was not.
[08:26] <topyli> here's where you begin
[08:26] <kuru> Okay, allow me to make my case then. I had an argument with Matt Darcy.
[08:26] <kuru> I asked a question that I knew was not 100% relevant to #ubuntu, but would have been related as I was looking for a NAS solution that would be running on Ubuntu.
[08:27] <kuru> I found that his response was condescending and rude.
[08:27] <kuru> I do admit that my reaction was not my best hour, but I believe I was provoked, unnecessarily.
[08:27] <topyli> kuru: by the way, while searching for your ban history i got some false positives about someone with a similar ident. sorry, your history is not so bad
[08:28] <kuru> topyli, okay then :)
[08:29] <nalioth> kuru: is the op here?
[08:29] <kuru> Even if ikonia was right to place a ban, I think it has played itself out and should be removed by now. I didn't use expletives (I've been an IRC'er for too long and know that there are younger people in these channels).
[08:29] <kuru> nalioth, probably asleep.
[08:30] <kuru> That's all I can think of right now.
[08:31] <kuru> In my view though, ikonia's attitude contradicts everything Ubuntu. The spirit of community and helping people out and not sending them off without even trying.. that's just not the Ubuntu I knew when it first came out
[08:33] <topyli> perhaps you felt provoked. please don't blame your own behavior on others though. be especially careful when drawing conclusions about their whole personalities based on a single event
[08:33] <kuru> topyli, I am banned for a single event.
[08:34] <kuru> topyli, I did not draw conclusions about anyone's personality. I am saying that this incident did not feel like an experience I would expect from the Ubuntu community.
[08:34] <kuru> I have been a contributor to Linux for a very long time.
[08:34] <kuru> It's not like I'm new to this.
[08:34] <topyli> i see in the log that he asked you to move your query elsewhere, you got angry and bad things happened. not a huge deal
[08:35] <kuru> topyli, yeah but I have to argue my case here for something that I agree.. is rather petty.
[08:35] <topyli> i guess you understand how important it is for a very large channel like #ubuntu to be 1) on topic and 2) very polite
[08:35] <kuru> back in the day, a quick /k would have been sufficient, person comes back and everyone is cool.
[08:36] <kuru> but banning me this long over that? it just feels excessive
[08:36] <kuru> topyli, As I have said, I don't believe that my reaction was exempelary.
[08:36] <topyli> well it's no use complaining about it after the fact. bans can be removed
[08:36] <topyli> i don't have ops on #ubutu though
[08:38] <topyli> anyway i guess it would be best if you came back in a few hours when ikonia is around and you chat with him
[08:39] <kuru> It's not like the channel was so busy that it couldn't handle a slightly off-topic conversation. Going to #hardware and asking if a certain motherboard with built-in RAID with drivers available on Linux and distributed by Ubuntu is a bit of a stretch.
[08:39] <kuru> So, the relevancy is debatable.
[08:40] <kuru> Oh is that how it works? I have to essentially apologize to the person who placed the ban?
[08:41] <topyli> no, you don't need to apologise to him, unless you have wronged him. it's about making sure you know the channel policy and will behave accordingly in the future
[08:41] <topyli> no use arguing the past really
[08:42] <kuru> I see.
[08:42] <kuru> topyli, thanks for engaging me.
[08:42] <topyli> no problem at all
[08:59] <ikonia> elky: correct yes
[09:00] <ikonia> ahhh I missed kuru
[09:00] <elky> ikonia, then he is harrassing you, and harrassment is against the policy of freenode. You may want to have a staffer investigate it so that you dont keep losing time and energy on him.
[09:02] <ikonia> elky: that's the plan - I've put the forward on to here to explain that he got the ban removed because he agreed to behave, he's not done that so he can take a week out to make it clear that if you promise to behave - you should do that, if he choses to keep going with his silly games I'll speak to freenode
[09:03] <ikonia> I'm trying to not be silly and go to freenode about things that aren't uncalled for so just cooling him out seems the best first step
[09:04] <elky> ikonia, sometimes just having a staffer talk to them scares them into behaving. that's all i'm suggesting you do.
[09:05] <ikonia> ahhh a good point
[09:05] <elky> ikonia, all it needs is for stew or someone to pm the twit with 'hey now, you know...'
[09:05] <ikonia> I may speak to Gary as he's tried with them before
[09:06] <elky> ikonia, allowing them to break the rules on us only makes it harder for us to enforce their behaviour elsewhere ;)
[09:09] <elky> not least because it burns us out and burnout makes us neglect and/or overcompensate.
[09:12] <ikonia> I've had a bad week to be honest, every single person I've had to ban/talk to has taken personal issue with it, I've found myself reviewing my own logs to make sure I wasn't actually rude
[09:13] <ikonia> feel ok now that I've re-read them and feel happy about them, but I was certainly questioning it yesterday
[10:57] <bazhang> ikonia, seems 100% aboveboard from my perspective
[10:57] <bazhang> just a huge influx of trolls/troublemakers the past few days
[10:57] <popey> school holidays perhaps?
[10:58] <elky> ikonia, it is burnout season
[10:58] <elky> popey, in Aus, yes.
[10:58] <bazhang> that and the eclipse
[10:58] <popey> yeah, schools here have broken up too
[10:58] <elky> bazhang, the eclipse doesn't explain all of it. it's been a revolting few weeks in general.
[10:58] <bazhang> and near complete flush of the ban list as well
[10:58] <bazhang> elky, true
[10:59] <elky> Schools here go back on monday.
[11:25] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu indus ban dodging
[11:26] <ikonia> ubottu is running well again
[11:26] <ubottu> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[11:26] <ikonia> @mark
[11:40] <ikonia> !ping
[11:40] <ubottu> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[11:40] <ikonia> @comment
[11:40] <ikonia> @mark
[11:42] <ikonia> bot's borked
[11:42] <ikonia> or a plugin wasn't loaded
[11:42] <ikonia> tsimpson: jpds ^
[11:43] <tsimpson> did you login?
[11:43] <tsimpson> @ping
[11:43] <ubottu> pong
[11:43] <ikonia> @login
[11:43] <ubottu> Error: Your hostmask doesn't match or your password is wrong.
[11:43] <ikonia> ahhh thats why
[11:43] <ikonia> I couldn't login the other day
[11:43] <ikonia> and still can't
[11:44] <tsimpson> hmm, it's still acting up...
[11:44] <tsimpson> I'll try restarting it again in a sec
[11:44] <ikonia> ta
[11:44] <tsimpson> and check a few things
[11:44] <ikonia> you're the boss
[12:18] <ikonia> @login
[12:18] <tsimpson> it always seems to take longer for ubottu to sync than I remember...
[12:18] <ikonia> ok
[12:18] <ubottu> The operation succeeded.
[12:18] <tsimpson> there we go
[12:19] <ikonia> cool, thanks
[12:19] <ikonia> @mark
[12:19] <tsimpson> just don't expect much of a log for your @mark now
[12:19] <ubottu> (mark [<channel>] <nick|hostmask> [<comment>]) -- Creates an entry in the Bantracker as if <nick|hostmask> was kicked from <channel> with the comment <comment>, if <comment> is given it will be uses as the comment on the Bantracker, <channel> is only needed when send in /msg
[12:19] <ikonia> of corse
[12:19] <ikonia> I'll just update BT
[12:20] <bazhang> so indus is ban-dodging; was his/her ban for 48hrs?
[12:20] <tsimpson> I'll note down to make it a feature of BT2 to manually add logs, or maybe link to the official logs
[12:26] <gnomefreak> bazhang: i think he is the one from mailing list as well
[12:26] <gnomefreak> but i dont see him anywhere. not looking that hard either
[12:27] <bazhang> gnomefreak, shortie/shrimp talking about irc ops abuse?
[12:27] <gnomefreak> bazhang: oh that was him?
[12:27] <bazhang> gnomefreak, right, I was curious about indus, but if they are one and the same
[12:28] <gnomefreak> bazhang: i hope not
[12:28] <bazhang> hehe
[12:28] <ikonia> bazhang: yes, it was a 48 hour ban and it moaned about it for a long time, then seems to decide to ban dodge, which he/she lightly implied, but didn't say they would
[12:29] <ikonia> bazhang: shrimp and idus where/are not the same
[12:29] <gnomefreak> not much can be done for that though
[12:29] <bazhang> ikonia, okay, thanks for clearing that up; weird convergence yesterday of indus entering constantly, paddy1 and bernie,, then shrimp/shortie
[12:30] <ikonia> bazhang: that's why indus was banned from -ops as it was creating a distrcation for th others
[12:30] <bazhang> ikonia, right
[12:30] <ikonia> yesterday just seemed a bad day, if you look at the ip ranges they are all over the world, I know that doesn't mean anything fact, but it doesn't seem lilkey
[12:31] <bazhang> yep. just too much thinking about that #ubuntu-lovers channel in the back of my mind I guess
[12:37] <ikonia> wow, I didn't know boredandblogging had stepped down from the council, (not had email access for a while)
[12:47] <bazhang> weird
[13:42] <Seeker`> what is happening about replacing him?
[13:42] <Pici> Nothing yet.
[13:43] <bazhang> bernardlychan is unbanned? thought that was a few more days<--my memory must be shot
[13:43] <Pici> bazhang: No, jpds unbanned him.
[13:43] <bazhang> Pici, okay thanks; must have missed that one
[13:43] <elky> bernardlychan isn't the actual problem
[13:44] <bazhang> right, its the paddy1 taunting
[13:44] <elky> mr melon on the other hand...
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[14:22] <jussio1> Woohoo, connectivity
[14:22] <jussio1> :)
[14:31] <Pici> jussio1: Welcome back, still on the boat?
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[14:31] <jussio1> Pici: Yeps, till tomorrow
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[14:44] <Pici> gnomefreak: hah
[14:45] <gnomefreak> hes working on my last never
[14:45] <gnomefreak> nerve
[14:46] <ubottu> Chousuke called the ops in #ubuntu (Ubuntuisforfags)
[14:46] <Pici> inevitable
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[14:48] <gnomefreak> hes starting to sound trollish to me Pici
[14:48] <gnomefreak> hes looking for things to be wrong
[14:53] <jussio1> Im off. Bye all
[14:57] <ikonia> ooh I missed popeye the sailer
[14:57] <ikonia> sailor
[14:58] <popey> o_O
[14:59] <ikonia> not popey
[14:59] <ikonia> popeye
[14:59] <popey> yeah, sadly popeye gives me a hilight anyway :)
[14:59] <ikonia> sorry
[15:00] <popey> np :)
[15:00] <ikonia> maybe you should be popeye /
[15:00] <ikonia> ?
[15:01]  * popey glares at ikonia 
[15:01] <ikonia> maybe not.....
[15:04]  * Nafallo sees popeye getting tanks on his arms
[15:06] <ikonia> ha ha
[15:56] <ikonia> the interaction between scott and graviton was a pleasure to watch, first one this week
[17:57] <Pici> ikonia: Do you think that keepguessing is trolling or just has a fubared install?
[17:57] <ikonia> troll
[17:57] <ikonia> he has 3rd party fesity repos in his sources.list from an ubuntu 9.04 install from ubuntu.com
[17:57] <ikonia> his sources.list is also hardy based, but it's a clean install from ubuntu.com
[17:58] <ikonia> that's impossible, that's not even a corrupt image
[17:58] <Pici> I agree
[17:58] <ikonia> it's either a cd not from ubuntu.com
[17:58] <ikonia> or he's done something
[17:58] <ikonia> or it's a dirietive
[18:01] <ikonia> Pici: certainly not telling the truth
[18:02] <Pici> Definitely
[18:02] <ikonia> phew
[18:02] <ikonia> smart mouth part message from geoff
[18:15] <ikonia> gents, home time, laters
[18:16] <Pici> byas
[19:20] <ubottu> In ubottu, Pici said: no tab is <reply> You can use your 'tab' key for for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[19:21] <ubottu> In ubottu, Pici said: no tab is <reply> You can use your <tab> key for for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[19:21] <Pici> ...
[19:21] <Pici> @login
[19:21] <ubottu> The operation succeeded.
[21:32] <ubottu> Paddy_NI called the ops in #ubuntu (Alvinware)
[21:46] <ubottu> In #ubuntu, qe2eqe said: !xdmx is superbroken
[21:48] <ikonia> Pricey: what was he doing ?
[21:48] <Pricey>  /lastlog him
[21:48] <Pricey> was just in PM with him, accused of power abuse within minutes and just ugh
[21:49] <ikonia> another one
[21:49] <ikonia> the last 4 people I have spoke to have said the same thing
[21:49] <ikonia> I'm starting to wonder if someone is co-ordinating this
[21:49] <Pricey> or.... we are evil people
[21:49] <ikonia> as it's the first thing off everyone at the moment
[21:50] <Pricey> giving prince_jammys a query too
[21:50] <Pricey> he disconnected
[21:50] <Pricey> obviously not too bothered
[21:50] <Pricey> oh no, back
[22:05] <Mamarok> Pricey: remember Fujisan?
[22:05] <Pricey> oh yes
[22:05]  * ikonia offers the freenode hat
[22:05] <Pricey> What's he doing?
[22:06] <Mamarok> he is trolling in #kde-windows, quiet since I joined, but seems he did some trollfest before
[22:06] <Mamarok> will ask markey for logs
[22:42] <ikonia> Pricey: ha ha, that will teach you to be clever
[23:58] <ikonia> !away > Mike||gone