| lex79 | :) | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| quassel208 | not kicked yet? lol getting kicked out off channel where I didnt say a word, now I final can watch my sere | 00:02 |
| lex79 | Riddell: can you remember tomorrow or when you have time to upload kipi-plugins and digikam ? :) thx | 00:03 |
| Riddell | lex79: where are they? | 00:04 |
| lex79 | Riddell: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/digikam/+bug/401231 | 00:04 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 401231 in digikam "Merge digikam 1.0.0~beta2 with debian unstable" [Undecided,New] | 00:04 |
| lex79 | and | 00:04 |
| lex79 | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kipi-plugins/+bug/395481 | 00:04 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 395481 in kipi-plugins "Merge kipi-plugins 0.4.0-1 with debian unstable" [Undecided,New] | 00:04 |
| lex79 | JontheEchidna: qtcurve new upstream release, one a day :) | 00:09 |
| neversfelde | changing fonts for gtk apps is borken here on a fresh karmic install | 00:10 |
| shtylman | Riddell: want to add some ubiquity tasks to the todo? | 00:15 |
| Riddell | shtylman: oh aye | 00:18 |
| JontheEchidna | neversfelde: oh? I'd be interested to hear about that | 00:33 |
| Riddell | shtylman: good | 00:43 |
| Riddell | dood, it works and it is the bling | 00:43 |
| shtylman | :) | 00:43 |
| shtylman | I cleaned up the map a bit too..to make it match the gtk side | 00:43 |
| shtylman | still need to implement the keyboard display feature... | 00:44 |
| Riddell | I've not seen that | 00:46 |
| shtylman | which part? | 00:46 |
| Riddell | keyboard display | 00:46 |
| shtylman | yea | 00:46 |
| shtylman | its not done | 00:46 |
| Riddell | shtylman: what happens during the install, is it still full screen? | 00:46 |
| shtylman | yep | 00:46 |
| shtylman | it is ALWAYS full screen...but you have the option to minimize... | 00:47 |
| shtylman | which reminds me..I need to remove that option from the install only choice | 00:47 |
| shtylman | when not in a live session... | 00:47 |
| Riddell | has seele looked at it at all? | 00:48 |
| seele | looked at what? | 00:48 |
| shtylman | dunno | 00:49 |
| maco | seele: ubiquity | 00:49 |
| seele | the new one? i didnt see it when i installed the latest karmic iso | 00:49 |
| seele | it looked like the old one | 00:49 |
| shtylman | yea...you have to get it separately... | 00:49 |
| shtylman | it didn't make it to this iso | 00:50 |
| seele | how do i get it separately? and can i run it in jaunty or karmic only? | 00:50 |
| shtylman | karmic only | 00:50 |
| shtylman | it needs latest pyqt stuff | 00:50 |
| maco | ... i just...what? i just sent an identi.ca update with the plasmoid and it went to /dev/null instead | 00:50 |
| maco | *question*: does the microblogging plasmoid work for anybody? | 00:51 |
| seele | kdetwitter or choqok? | 00:51 |
| seele | kdetwitter seems to eat my RAMs so i never use it | 00:51 |
| Riddell | microblog plasmoid worked for me | 00:51 |
| seele | choqok was buggy so i stopped using that | 00:52 |
| seele | maco: use the jabber identi.ca thing | 00:52 |
| seele | then you can just have a buddy in kopete to send messages to for updates | 00:52 |
| maco | kdetwitter, i guess | 00:52 |
| maco | whatever the thing on the desktop is | 00:52 |
| seele | and you can subscribe to them | 00:52 |
| seele | shtylman: so how do i get ubiquity? | 00:52 |
| shtylman | lp:~shtylman/ubiquity/kde_themeing | 00:53 |
| seele | lp:? | 00:53 |
| maco | i wonder if gwibber works again yet... i wanted to use the plasmoids so i can have 1 that's me and 1 that's ohio linuxfest...using gwibber id have to switch who i'm posting as constantly | 00:53 |
| maco | seele: bzr branch <what he said> | 00:53 |
| seele | uh... | 00:53 |
| seele | is there a package? | 00:53 |
| shtylman | hmm... Riddell ^ | 00:53 |
| shtylman | got one in a ppa? ... I never put mine up... | 00:54 |
| shtylman | seele: we shall see :) | 00:54 |
| shtylman | I have some screenshots up at: http://shtylman.com/stuff/kubuntu_installer/version4/ | 00:55 |
| Riddell | I don't have packages | 00:57 |
| Riddell | maybe best if we just merge it and get it uploaded and have CDs to play with | 00:57 |
| seele | hmm.. why lowercase text in the progress labels? | 00:57 |
| seele | i think i would like to see better positional feedback on the current progress item too | 00:58 |
| seele | damnit, really need a copy of photoshop | 00:59 |
| shtylman | seele: lowercase text because it looks nice... :) doesn't make anything stand out too much | 01:01 |
| shtylman | seele: what do you mean by positional feedback? | 01:01 |
| dtchen | git send-pack kernel.ubuntu.com:/srv/kernel.ubuntu.com/git/dtchen/ubuntu-karmic.git lp398059 | 01:01 |
| dtchen | bah, sorry | 01:02 |
| seele | shtylman: you are using color to indicate which part of the process the user is on, imo that's not strong enough | 01:02 |
| shtylman | :) | 01:02 |
| JontheEchidna | The "Kubuntu Karmic" in the top left corner should eventually say "Kubuntu 9.10" since we have a policy against not exposing the codename to the poor end users ;-P | 01:02 |
| seele | and i dunno if the lowercase text looks nice, especially when the matching label in the content window is in uppercase | 01:02 |
| shtylman | JontheEchidna: really? did...know that... :( | 01:02 |
| seele | they would have to match, but then it doesnt really fit with the rest of the text. it is a nice device, but i dont think it should be used here | 01:03 |
| JontheEchidna | shtylman: no biggie. I must admin it looks nice with karmic there | 01:03 |
| shtylman | seele: I can look at underline or something like that...but I do understand the accessibility concern... | 01:03 |
| seele | shtylman: i'm in the process of mocking up something | 01:03 |
| shtylman | k | 01:03 |
| seele | underlines are bad because they confuse users with web stuff | 01:03 |
| JontheEchidna | *admit | 01:03 |
| shtylman | k | 01:03 |
| seele | shtylman: "Partition" should probably be "Hard Disks" or omething else non-technical | 01:05 |
| * shtylman personally hates it when people assume normal users can't be bothered to learn some common terms and understand what they mean | 01:06 | |
| seele | 1) it is inaccurate because you might not need to partition anything | 01:06 |
| seele | 2) depending on what option you select, you might not even see the word partition | 01:07 |
| seele | 3) why burden the user with becoming an expert in computing if all they want to do is look at facebook? | 01:07 |
| shtylman | by using something *non -technical* we keep users in the dark forever...that being said... I just sorta picked partition...for no real good reason.. | 01:07 |
| seele | how is it the dark if they never need it? | 01:08 |
| seele | why does the user need to know how the computer works? they dont. they just need to use it | 01:08 |
| shtylman | but hard-disk doesn't really say anything to me either really... | 01:08 |
| seele | then think of something better, but partition is not accurate and not appropriate | 01:08 |
| shtylman | but I will change it to whatever yall find appropriate :) | 01:08 |
| JontheEchidna | "Installation Setup" perhaps? | 01:08 |
| shtylman | too long | 01:08 |
| JontheEchidna | "Setup" :P | 01:09 |
| seele | some of these things are going to translate pretty long | 01:09 |
| seele | or Disk Setup or something | 01:09 |
| shtylman | yea...but for the general case (of english) that one is really long | 01:09 |
| shtylman | I like disk setup | 01:09 |
| shtylman | :) | 01:09 |
| shtylman | I like disk setup alot :) | 01:10 |
| maco | me too | 01:10 |
| maco | was about to type it as i read backscroll | 01:10 |
| seele | hmm.. also.. i really don't like using Info, it looks unprofessional | 01:11 |
| seele | what about User Details? | 01:11 |
| shtylman | yea...possibly... | 01:13 |
| shtylman | info just makes it more...informal...more...social :) | 01:13 |
| * shtylman found a 59 page paper about the evolution of c++ by Bjarne ... starts reading... | 01:14 | |
| maco | *snicker* | 01:14 |
| maco | seele "not professional! do not want!" shtylman "not professional! yay!" | 01:14 |
| shtylman | :) | 01:14 |
| shtylman | to each his own | 01:14 |
| seele | shtylman: http://imagebin.ca/view/FziY62Kl.html | 01:32 |
| seele | but it obviously needs nuno or someone to paint it | 01:32 |
| seele | so.. notable features | 01:32 |
| shtylman | seele: I might be able to just extend the current theme and center *whiter* area around the label.. | 01:32 |
| seele | previously visited sections are smaller and lighter color font, double coded | 01:33 |
| * shtylman will need to think about it a bit... | 01:33 | |
| seele | current section has matching background to content area, and no border seperating it | 01:33 |
| shtylman | I would not make them smaller | 01:33 |
| shtylman | it feels unnatural to me ... at least | 01:33 |
| shtylman | but go on.. | 01:33 |
| seele | also, usually you like the best option to be the one on the bottom left corner | 01:33 |
| shtylman | k | 01:33 |
| seele | in a wizard that would be forward progress | 01:33 |
| shtylman | (buttons are a carry onver from previous installer layout...but I will change that) | 01:34 |
| shtylman | I agree :) | 01:34 |
| seele | previous sections need some type of indicator that they were visited and completed, if not font treatment then maybe a check mark or something | 01:34 |
| shtylman | check mark sounds a bit better..changing font size I would avoid... | 01:35 |
| shtylman | it will cause the other labels to move up cause the ui will get layed out again | 01:35 |
| shtylman | and other things might shift... | 01:35 |
| shtylman | will cause confusion | 01:35 |
| seele | cant you set the text box to fixed or relative height? | 01:35 |
| seele | or statically place them? | 01:36 |
| shtylman | statically placed = 1990's layouts | 01:36 |
| seele | hmm.. could you do the layout in html? then you could use relative sizes | 01:36 |
| shtylman | fixed height is better..but then might have problems with other languages | 01:36 |
| shtylman | I would strongly suggest looking at checkmarks first | 01:36 |
| shtylman | nope..can't do it in html | 01:36 |
| * seele shrugs | 01:36 | |
| * shtylman has limitations... not saying it all isn't possible...just that with the time constrains ;) | 01:37 | |
| shtylman | *constraints | 01:37 |
| shtylman | would not be advisible | 01:37 |
| seele | well whatever you can do, but positional feedback is strongly advised | 01:38 |
| shtylman | k | 01:38 |
| seele | AND FIX THOSE LOWERCASE LABELS!!!! | 01:38 |
| * seele shakes her finger at shtylman | 01:38 | |
| shtylman | :( | 01:38 |
| * seele pats shtylman on the head | 01:38 | |
| shtylman | but they look so ... soo... web 2.0 ish | 01:38 |
| shtylman | but ok.. will fix | 01:38 |
| seele | aaaaaahhh!! | 01:38 |
| seele | you've been reading too much smashingmagazine | 01:39 |
| shtylman | ahahah | 01:39 |
| shtylman | seele: http://imagebin.ca/view/TUKIS2.html | 01:53 |
| shtylman | just a quick workup on the "tab" | 01:53 |
| shtylman | I even kinda like how the text got pulled in a bit | 01:56 |
| shtylman | really makes the current entry stand out... | 01:56 |
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| seele | shtylman: yes, much better. thanks | 02:05 |
| shtylman | :) | 02:05 |
| maco | seele: did 9.04 have a more direct way to add launchers to the desktop than 9.10? im walking a new user through it and he said he has right click -> "add link to application" but on 9.10 all i can find to do it is to add a quicklaunch, drag the quicklaunch to the desktop, then configure it | 02:12 |
| seele | maco: no idea, i dont think i've ever done that | 02:14 |
| maco | well if he's right, then im against whatever change got rid of making that obvious | 02:14 |
| maco | also, i think kickoff should be exposed in the "add widget" thing as something other than "application launcher" because that sounds like "add a button for firefox" | 02:15 |
| ryanakca | neversfelde: I'm going to bed, but pong | 02:57 |
| nhandler | I just noticed, why don't we have an rss feed for kubuntu.org that we can put on the Planet? | 03:14 |
| vorian | sure | 03:35 |
| ScottK | birthdaylogger: akonadiconsole should either not be in the default install or not be in the development section of the menu. Pick one. I don't care which. | 06:03 |
| ScottK | It'd be nice if some MOTU would review/upload http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/xz-utils so we can get to work on getting lzma support in ark. | 06:07 |
| ScottK | nixternal: We do use UNRELEASED in bzr if something isn't to be uploaded right away. | 06:10 |
| maco | well Riddell merged it in the meantime | 06:22 |
| maco | ScottK: do you know what the proper thing to request merges to are? | 06:22 |
| ScottK | A ping here with a link to your branch works. | 06:23 |
| ScottK | The merge request thingy notifies appropriate people too. | 06:23 |
| ScottK | maco: Please get yourself made a Kubuntu member very soon so you can just committ to bzr. | 06:24 |
| maco | Riddell said ~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/hardy/sudo/hardy-proposed wasn't something he could merge and upload to, he had to branch it then make a source package and upload as normal | 06:24 |
| maco | but i thought it was supposed to get easier...where sponsor folk could merge it to whats released and tell it to rebuild with that | 06:25 |
| maco | ScottK: how come kubuntu members has a bzr and ubuntu-members doesn't? | 06:25 |
| ScottK | Because we decided to do it this way and they didn't? | 06:26 |
| maco | hehe ok | 06:26 |
| ScottK | You asked. | 06:33 |
| ScottK | maco: The full stuff with uploads based on bzr isn't ready yet. | 06:33 |
| ScottK | We're still using our bzr repos of just the debian dirs. | 06:33 |
| maco | ah so its planned but WIP? | 06:36 |
| maco | i dont remember http://blogs.computerworld.com/ubuntu_to_make_linux_application_installation_idiot_proof at UDS | 06:38 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 06:39 |
| ScottK | maco: It was discussed. | 06:40 |
| * ScottK didn't pay attention since it sounded Gnomish. | 06:40 | |
| maco | heh probably what i did as well | 06:41 |
| * ScottK declares it bedtime. | 06:42 | |
| maco | ditto. gotta catch the train in 4 hours | 06:43 |
| jussio1 | Morning all | 06:50 |
| === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Alpha-3 released | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | We need paperKuts! https://launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts | ||
| neversfelde | JontheEchidna: I can change fonts of firefox, when using Raleigh, but not with QtCurve. I thnk I should test it with another GTK app, but I have none :) | 10:55 |
| Tm_T | neversfelde: try gimp | 11:08 |
| neversfelde | same problem | 11:12 |
| ulysses__ | is there kde 4.3 RC3 in jaunty backports? | 11:33 |
| Riddell | ulysses__: it's about to arrive | 11:33 |
| ulysses__ | thanks Riddell | 11:34 |
| Trouble | I'm about to hit the button to update | 11:40 |
| ulysses__ | i've updated my karmic yet | 11:40 |
| * Trouble is now running KDE 4.2.98 (KDE 4.3 RC3) in Jaunty | 11:52 | |
| Riddell | yay | 11:53 |
| Trouble | .o/ | 11:54 |
| Trouble | \o. | 11:54 |
| Trouble | \o/ | 11:54 |
| * ulysses__ is running KDE 4.2.98 in Karmic | 11:57 | |
| === birthdaylogger is now known as apachelogger | ||
| apachelogger | yay | 11:59 |
| apachelogger | intarwebs is back :D | 12:00 |
| * apachelogger got no landline or mobile connection for 12 hours | 12:00 | |
| apachelogger | darn storms | 12:00 |
| Riddell | it's a hint that you should be out celebrating being older | 12:00 |
| apachelogger | well, I only noticed when I got home anyway ;-) | 12:01 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: judging from krake's feedback I suppose moving it from development to system is the way to go | 12:03 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: all good installing 4.2.98 here | 12:17 |
| Riddell | I'll announce | 12:17 |
| neversfelde | :) | 12:19 |
| CIA-31 | Kubuntu: apachelogger * r9 kdepim-runtime/debian/ (5 files in 2 dirs): | 12:20 |
| CIA-31 | Kubuntu: Add kubuntu_01_akonadiconsole_to_system.diff moving akondiconsole from | 12:20 |
| CIA-31 | Kubuntu: the Development category of the menu to System | 12:20 |
| Riddell | hello CIA-31, where did you come from? | 12:20 |
| apachelogger | from the CIA obviously :P | 12:25 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I added it, though I find the concept of bzr-to-cia kinda weird | 12:25 |
| Riddell | why? | 12:26 |
| Riddell | it needs setup per machine which is a hassle | 12:26 |
| apachelogger | actually | 12:26 |
| apachelogger | per branch | 12:26 |
| apachelogger | which is even more of a hassle | 12:27 |
| Riddell | mmm | 12:28 |
| * apachelogger thinks someone should fix the nm applet :| | 12:32 | |
| Mamarok | is there a chance to have an installable kde-devel package for 4.3? It still is held back in RC3 | 12:33 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: fancy taking that on? ^^ | 12:35 |
| Riddell | shtylman: shall we get your code merged? | 12:35 |
| Riddell | shtylman: it struck me we should look at the accessibility side, that can often suffer when you use custom colours and graphics for widgets | 12:36 |
| neversfelde | Riddell: I have to go out for a few hours, but will have a look at it after I return | 12:37 |
| Riddell | aww, agateau left just as I was causing his stuff to crash | 12:55 |
| neversfelde | Riddell: was a minor issue. I uploaded a fixed meta-kde package to ninjas, because there is no bzr branch | 12:58 |
| Riddell | groovy, copy it over to backports ppa when you think it's good | 13:01 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Sounds good. I think settings catagory should also die. | 13:17 |
| JontheEchidna | neversfelde: QtCurve gets its fonts from KDE, so you may have a bit of trouble there | 13:22 |
| neversfelde | Mamarok: you are on Jaunty? | 13:24 |
| neversfelde | JontheEchidna: changing fonts for KDE works without problems | 13:24 |
| ryanakca | nhandler: We do have an RSS feed, we just need to edit the planet configs... | 13:24 |
| nhandler | ryanakca: Ok, I must have missed it. Is there a reason it never got on the Planet? If not, lets add it :) | 13:25 |
| neversfelde | JontheEchidna: but changing them one time and back solved the problem with gtk apps. Weird. | 13:25 |
| ryanakca | nhandler: Nope, nobody ever got around to it. Did you want to do it or shall I? | 13:25 |
| nhandler | ryanakca: I can take care of it. | 13:25 |
| ryanakca | nhandler: Lovely, thanks | 13:26 |
| JontheEchidna | neversfelde: it might be wise, that when QtCurve is set, to tell users that QtCurve uses the KDE fonts. what do you think? | 13:26 |
| neversfelde | yes, a good idea | 13:27 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: I'm going to push 0.5.1 today after I implement ^ | 13:28 |
| neversfelde | Mamarok: I have to go. Would you test installing kde-devel from the staging ppa, if you are on Jaunty. Thanks. | 13:28 |
| Mamarok | neversfelde: ok, will do :) | 13:29 |
| nhandler | ryanakca: Do we have any decent Kubuntu logo that can be used as the hackergotchi? | 13:37 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: wibble, RC 3 is on http://www.kubuntu.org/ but follow the link and it doesn't work | 13:38 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: wibble, it's utterly broken now | 13:41 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: phew, think I got it sorted | 13:43 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: OK, *checks* | 13:53 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: woah, the link is broken... | 13:53 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: Are you editing it at the moment? I don't want to change something and overwrite your stuff, or vice versa | 13:55 |
| ryanakca | Nevermind, it works :) | 13:56 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: i'm done | 13:59 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: qtconfig is already gone and JontheEchidna will push 0.5.1 of kcm-gtk today | 14:02 |
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| === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger | ||
| nhandler | So do we have an icon suitable for a hackergotchi? Or should I just leave it without one? | 14:04 |
| apachelogger | nhandler: icon for what? | 14:05 |
| nhandler | apachelogger: The Planet | 14:05 |
| apachelogger | planet? | 14:06 |
| nhandler | Ubuntu | 14:06 |
| * apachelogger is clearly not up-to-date | 14:06 | |
| nhandler | I was going to add kubuntu.org to planet.ubuntu.com so more people see what we post there | 14:06 |
| apachelogger | ah | 14:06 |
| apachelogger | oh well | 14:07 |
| apachelogger | then we ought to post more than one sentence consisting of 90% links :P | 14:07 |
| * apachelogger pokes Riddell for that | 14:07 | |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Great. I think the gtk thingy was the last one I had. | 14:08 |
| Mamarok | neversfelde: there is no kde-devel package in the staging ppa | 14:11 |
| Mamarok | ok, I have the following problems with RC3: http://pastebin.com/m734d83ac | 14:11 |
| Riddell | does planet.ubuntu have a policy on non-personal blogs? | 14:12 |
| nhandler | Riddell: Not that I have seen. I know we have several similar team blogs listed there | 14:13 |
| ryanakca | Launchpad's announcements get in, why not ours? :) | 14:14 |
| Riddell | true | 14:14 |
| nhandler | Ubuntu Studio is also there | 14:14 |
| apachelogger | neversfelde, Riddell: why is there no bindings backport? | 14:16 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: everyone is too scared to try it | 14:17 |
| Riddell | needs sip and pyqt too | 14:17 |
| apachelogger | well | 14:17 |
| apachelogger | ruby aint is needing either of them :P | 14:17 |
| * apachelogger wants to port his synergy plasmoid to a popupapplet | 14:18 | |
| neversfelde | Mamarok: it is meta-kde | 14:22 |
| Nightrose | is there nything in the kubuntu-backports ppa that i likely will not want? | 14:24 |
| Nightrose | ie: is it save to upgrade to RC3? | 14:24 |
| neversfelde | Nightrose: koffice2 ? | 14:28 |
| Nightrose | that's ok | 14:28 |
| * Nightrose upgrades her eeepc and hopes for the best | 14:29 | |
| neversfelde | I think there is nothing more than that | 14:29 |
| EagleScreen | I think RC3 packages are not built at all | 14:31 |
| neversfelde | ? | 14:32 |
| EagleScreen | Nightrose: upgrade to RC3 tries to remove multiple important packages by the momment, wait for some hour | 14:32 |
| neversfelde | for karmic? | 14:32 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: juk, or not juk, that is the question | 14:33 |
| ScottK | For netbook? | 14:33 |
| apachelogger | yes | 14:33 |
| neversfelde | EagleScreen: lex79 and Blizzz tested it for jaunty yesterday, it was ok | 14:33 |
| apachelogger | though, TBH, lately amarok is giving more of a headache than KDE 4.0 did | 14:34 |
| apachelogger | and 4.0 did a lot | 14:34 |
| Nightrose | it wants to remove kdeplasma-addons-data | 14:34 |
| Nightrose | is that ok? | 14:34 |
| nhandler | I added the Kubuntu feed to Planet Ubuntu. If someone has a suitable hackergotchi, please go ahead and add it (Instructions: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu) | 14:35 |
| apachelogger | nhandler: kubuntu logo? | 14:41 |
| apachelogger | err, the icon part of the logo | 14:41 |
| EagleScreen | there are 4 packages that are not opdated to RC3: | 14:41 |
| EagleScreen | kdebase-workspace-bin | 14:41 |
| EagleScreen | kdepim-runtime | 14:41 |
| EagleScreen | plasma-scriptengine-webkit | 14:41 |
| EagleScreen | plasma-scriptengine-superkaramba | 14:41 |
| EagleScreen | these stop the upgrade | 14:42 |
| EagleScreen | wait for some hours and they should be updates too | 14:42 |
| apachelogger | eh | 14:43 |
| Mamarok | neversfelde: well, I would never have searched for that | 14:43 |
| apachelogger | ii kdepim-runtime 4:4.2.98-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa2 PIM runtime components from the official KDE 4 release | 14:43 |
| EagleScreen | i am talking about karmic, not jaunty | 14:43 |
| apachelogger | oh | 14:43 |
| Mamarok | EagleScreen: worked without flaws here | 14:43 |
| apachelogger | like anyone cares about karmic? | 14:43 |
| apachelogger | that beast is broken beyond repair anyway | 14:44 |
| EagleScreen | i am talking about amd64, other archs may have packages updated yet | 14:44 |
| Mamarok | EagleScreen: we are talking about Jaunty here | 14:44 |
| EagleScreen | going for launch, see u later | 14:44 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: the only other option is qmmp, which is cool and got all the features you want but that winamp-clone-interface is just horrible | 14:45 |
| apachelogger | juk just needs some config changes to be half-way decent | 14:45 |
| nhandler | apachelogger: It is blurry, I was wondering if we had anything else, otherwise I guess we can use it | 14:45 |
| apachelogger | + it doesn't crash, eat your mem and updates it's database properly | 14:46 |
| apachelogger | nhandler: how can it be blurry? | 14:46 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: I'm not at all an expert on the media player stuff, so whatever everyone else thinks, I'm good with. | 14:46 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: amarok takes like 15 seconds to start | 14:47 |
| ScottK | Not good. | 14:47 |
| apachelogger | even from splash end to GUI it's a couple of seconds | 14:47 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: Tonio_ was looking at YANIHP for music player on netbook | 14:49 |
| Riddell | the Amarok people seem to think it's entirely suited to netbooks too | 14:50 |
| yuriy | whoa what's going on? replacing amarok? | 14:50 |
| apachelogger | well, we can give YANIHP a shot | 14:51 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: the name is quite a PITA though | 14:51 |
| Riddell | true | 14:52 |
| Riddell | yuriy: for Netbook possibly | 14:52 |
| yuriy | any strong reason to? I think it'd be a big loss even for netbooks | 14:52 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yup, I recently tested, but it's not polished enough for integration... | 14:52 |
| Tonio_ | I tried to patch a bit, but there's too much to do | 14:53 |
| Riddell | EagleScreen: kdepim-runtime retrying, kdebase-workspace should be in though | 14:53 |
| yuriy | i would say a default configuration without the context view would be good though for netbooks | 14:53 |
| ScottK | Let's try Juk with apachelogger's config magic applied and see how it is. | 14:53 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: also, it is entirely done by fred | 14:53 |
| apachelogger | so from a maintenance point of view juk got a clear advantage there | 14:53 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: yep | 14:53 |
| apachelogger | just by juk being in KDE svn it is ahead :D | 14:53 |
| Riddell | yuriy: long startup time, busy UI | 14:53 |
| Tonio_ | my only concern with juk is that it won't work with m4a files... -> itunes and so on | 14:54 |
| apachelogger | just depend on taglib-extras | 14:54 |
| Tonio_ | but for several reasons, YANIHP isn't ready, and fairly unmaintained | 14:54 |
| apachelogger | unless juk blacklists m4a manually, which would need to be patched | 14:54 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: nope that's on the code | 14:54 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: reading should all be done by taglib, shouldn't it? | 14:55 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: unfortunatelly no | 14:55 |
| apachelogger | so what is in the code? | 14:55 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: there's some loop to parse using taglib, for mp3 files and so on | 14:55 |
| Tonio_ | this code ain't there for m4a | 14:55 |
| apachelogger | well, just add it :P | 14:55 |
| apachelogger | taglib still is doing most of the work | 14:56 |
| Tonio_ | I started to write it, but that's well among what I can do with C++ :) | 14:56 |
| Riddell | juk uses the same taglib as amarok | 14:56 |
| Tonio_ | I could parse, and get a segfault | 14:56 |
| Riddell | also same playing backend via phonon | 14:56 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: that is something :) | 14:56 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: from what I've seen in the code, it's not that simple | 14:56 |
| apachelogger | anyway, I find it quite weird that juk reimplements the same loop for every codec | 14:56 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: and probably patching juk would make more sense on that point | 14:56 |
| apachelogger | kinda ... well ... eh ... bad design | 14:56 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: I was talking about yanihp there | 14:57 |
| Tonio_ | maybe patching juk for this purpose would be easier | 14:57 |
| apachelogger | technically there is no need for patching in juk | 14:57 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: hum great then | 14:57 |
| apachelogger | if juk does it like amarok it will just go through the collection folders and throw every file at taglib and see if the lib spits out anything useful | 14:57 |
| apachelogger | simply put that is ;-) | 14:58 |
| Tonio_ | then we should go for juk | 14:58 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: do you have a m4a file for testing? | 14:58 |
| Tonio_ | we still have to choose for an irc client | 14:58 |
| * Tonio_ is all for konversation | 14:58 | |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: I only have m4a files :) | 14:58 |
| Tonio_ | lemme test | 14:58 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: make sure taglib-extras is installed | 14:58 |
| apachelogger | standard taglib does not contain the plugins | 14:58 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: yep | 14:58 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: I know that :) | 14:59 |
| apachelogger | just making sure ;-) | 14:59 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: nope, it will only find mp3 files :/ | 15:00 |
| apachelogger | then it probably blacklists m4a | 15:00 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: we have to look at the code on that point | 15:01 |
| * apachelogger does the config right now | 15:01 | |
| apachelogger | oh dear, juk also uses this weird GUI config string like dolphin | 15:01 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: we have to change the view by default too, to enable the artist/album thing | 15:01 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: I'll fix kds | 15:01 |
| apachelogger | knds for now | 15:02 |
| apachelogger | artist album thing? | 15:02 |
| ScottK | Tonio_: I agree that we should put the cahnges in knds for now. | 15:04 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: yup | 15:04 |
| CIA-31 | Kubuntu: apachelogger * r10 kubuntu-netbook-default-settings/ (share/config/jukrc debian/changelog): Add jukrc (showing Play Queue and History in the sidebar) | 15:06 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: ^ that ought to be tested | 15:06 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Maybe Tonio_ can do it. I'm slammed with $WORK today. | 15:06 |
| apachelogger | kk | 15:06 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: ^ test | 15:07 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: btw, we need to patch it to use $HOME/Music by default | 15:07 |
| ScottK | Someone should arrange for usb-creator-kde to get promoted so we can seed it. | 15:08 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: can be configured no need to patch | 15:08 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: configured? | 15:08 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: yep | 15:09 |
| apachelogger | where? | 15:09 |
| Tonio_ | hum, xdg folders will not help on that point :) | 15:09 |
| apachelogger | right :P | 15:09 |
| apachelogger | patch! | 15:09 |
| apachelogger | hm, the splash is quite ugly | 15:09 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: hum, there's no way to edit the collection settings once set | 15:09 |
| Tonio_ | so maybe better let the user decide where's his music no ? | 15:09 |
| apachelogger | well | 15:10 |
| apachelogger | File -> add folder | 15:10 |
| Tonio_ | unless there is an editor for the collection (we can patch for that too) | 15:10 |
| apachelogger | not quite obvious | 15:10 |
| apachelogger | anyway | 15:10 |
| apachelogger | what the patch should do: | 15:10 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: that won't edit the default collection | 15:10 |
| apachelogger | read the xdg thingy | 15:10 |
| Tonio_ | and this one cannot be removed btw | 15:10 |
| apachelogger | if dir exists? => add dir to folders list and make it unremovable (if possible) => show dialog so user can add more/other folders | 15:10 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: I would patch to rename "add folder" to "edit collection" | 15:11 |
| Tonio_ | because you can *remove* folders also :) | 15:11 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: agree with the patch then | 15:11 |
| apachelogger | add/remove folder then | 15:11 |
| Tonio_ | so writing the todo... | 15:11 |
| apachelogger | cause literally edit collection is something different | 15:11 |
| Tonio_ | kk | 15:11 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: I'll have a look at m4a files... I'm not sure it'll be easy | 15:12 |
| CIA-31 | Kubuntu: apachelogger * r11 kubuntu-netbook-default-settings/ (debian/changelog share/config/jukrc): | 15:12 |
| CIA-31 | Kubuntu: Add jukrc (showing Play Queue and History in the sidebar and disabling | 15:12 |
| CIA-31 | Kubuntu: the startup splash screen) | 15:12 |
| CIA-31 | Kubuntu: -Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:12:16 +0200 | 15:12 |
| apachelogger | hm | 15:13 |
| apachelogger | lovely how bzr commits things | 15:13 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: maybe change the view mode to tree | 15:14 |
| Tonio_ | that's way better when having a hudge collection | 15:14 |
| Tonio_ | hum I can do :) | 15:14 |
| * Tonio_ forgot about bzr | 15:14 | |
| seele | hmm.. dont remember if i got an answer: was there a bug regarding the apps menu organization? | 15:17 |
| apachelogger | seele: in lp or bko? | 15:18 |
| seele | apachelogger: lp | 15:19 |
| apachelogger | didn't see one | 15:19 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: ^ | 15:19 |
| JontheEchidna | nope, not that I saw | 15:19 |
| seele | ah, damn. ok | 15:20 |
| seele | that would have been a good papercut | 15:20 |
| seele | and we're not doing so well on ours | 15:20 |
| apachelogger | seele: that would have been fixed already | 15:20 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: can you add this to jukrc please ? | 15:20 |
| Tonio_ | [PlaylistBox] | 15:20 |
| Tonio_ | ViewMode=2 | 15:20 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: I'm not a member of the kubuntu-netbook team right now.... subscribing | 15:20 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: you are member of the ninjas, arent ya? | 15:21 |
| Tonio_ | hum I don't think so :) | 15:21 |
| CIA-31 | Kubuntu: apachelogger * r12 kubuntu-netbook-default-settings/share/config/jukrc: Set juk's playlist view mode to treewise | 15:21 |
| Tonio_ | bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(lp-44636112:///~kubuntu-netbook/kubuntu-netbook/default-settings/.bzr/branchlock): Transport operation not possible: readonly transport | 15:21 |
| Nightrose | in case anyone is interested: upgrade killed my kopete accounts | 15:21 |
| Riddell | huh? | 15:33 |
| Riddell | Nightrose: upgrade from what to what? | 15:33 |
| Nightrose | 4.2.4 to rc3 | 15:33 |
| seele | does anyone have problems with overly sensitive/auto double clicking mice? | 15:38 |
| vorian | do we really need a cia bot in here? | 15:45 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot012.png | 15:54 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: hum, what did you change ? | 15:55 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: I have libtaglib-extra0 installed, and that didn't work for me | 15:56 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: needs some patching | 15:56 |
| apachelogger | the tag read is indeed very weird code though | 15:57 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: as I said :) | 15:57 |
| apachelogger | easy enough to enhance fortunately | 15:57 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: did you already patch ? | 15:57 |
| apachelogger | nope, hacked it up | 15:57 |
| apachelogger | I'll diff in a minute | 15:57 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: ok | 15:57 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Can you review/upload http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/xz-utils | 15:57 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: the problem is that there is no unified method for reading the tag depending the format | 15:58 |
| Tonio_ | each algo uses different names for the album and so on | 15:58 |
| Tonio_ | taglib is a mess, to be honnest | 15:58 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: that's why despite there is a lib, there is some code to write in each app for each supported format :/ | 15:58 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: within the next couple of minutes or hours? | 15:58 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Hours is great. | 15:59 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: taglib reads the tags, but the file detection part ought to be done in the app | 15:59 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Then we need to find a minion to write the MIR. | 15:59 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: when you say "hacked", you mean that you can now extract a patch from that or ? | 15:59 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan_: wanna write a MIR? ;-) | 15:59 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: pretty much | 15:59 |
| apachelogger | and cleanup | 16:00 |
| apachelogger | the thing is, this stuff can actually go upstream | 16:00 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: impressive... that fast ! | 16:00 |
| apachelogger | since taglib-extras is an lib anyway it just needs some if-ing and can go upstream | 16:00 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: can't wait to see the patch, cause in the other player that was a hudge mess to patch | 16:00 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: took me a night and didn't work by the end | 16:00 |
| Nightrose | Riddell: any idea about the kopete problem? | 16:08 |
| Nightrose | or anyone else? | 16:08 |
| Riddell | Nightrose: really none | 16:10 |
| Riddell | Nightrose: are they still in ~/.kde/share/config/kopeterc? | 16:10 |
| Nightrose | i'll check | 16:10 |
| Nightrose | Riddell: nope - not in there | 16:13 |
| Riddell | but but, where could they have gone? | 16:13 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/kubuntu_06_juk_read_mp4.diff | 16:13 |
| Nightrose | heh i have no idea - it showed me some migration wizard when i started it | 16:13 |
| Nightrose | it completed ok | 16:13 |
| Nightrose | might have migrated to akonadi but no idea | 16:14 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: we probably should add the other stuff from taglib-extras as well | 16:14 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: great | 16:14 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: seems like it was a bit easier to patch than with yanihp :) you didn't have to parse the all tag tree thing | 16:15 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 16:15 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: yep, that would be nice, and to also push upstream | 16:15 |
| Tonio_ | I think Riddell is the key for that :) | 16:15 |
| * apachelogger will just commit upstream when patch is generic enough :P | 16:16 | |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: you should consider looking at yanihp code :) I had a good time there | 16:16 |
| apachelogger | since everything is iffed there is no downtake to the patch | 16:16 |
| apachelogger | downside even | 16:16 |
| apachelogger | jefferai: is the taglib-extras cmake module going to move to kdelibs at some point? | 16:17 |
| jefferai | I highly doubt it | 16:17 |
| jefferai | why? | 16:17 |
| apachelogger | jefferai: I am making juk taglib-extras aware | 16:18 |
| jefferai | Ah, cool | 16:18 |
| jefferai | btw, taglib 1.6 is finally going to be released at some point | 16:18 |
| apachelogger | so if the module was in kdelibs amarok and juk could share em | 16:18 |
| jefferai | soon | 16:18 |
| apachelogger | hehe :D | 16:18 |
| jefferai | taglib-extras will then drop two tag formats that are in taglib svn | 16:19 |
| apachelogger | jefferai: which ones got adopted? | 16:19 |
| jefferai | well actually...taglib-extras cloned the work from taglib :-) | 16:21 |
| jefferai | mp4 | 16:21 |
| jefferai | and one other | 16:22 |
| jefferai | lessee | 16:22 |
| jefferai | asf | 16:22 |
| apachelogger | jefferai: nice | 16:24 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: uploaded | 16:24 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Cool. | 16:24 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Would you please look at xz-utils in New? We need it for lzma support in ark. | 16:25 |
| Riddell | ok | 16:26 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 16:26 |
| Riddell | accepted | 16:28 |
| ScottK | Excellent. | 16:35 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Did you find a minion for the xz-utils MIR? | 16:35 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan maybe | 16:37 |
| apachelogger | didn't responsd yet | 16:37 |
| Mamarok | neversfelde: kde-devel from staging can't work for me, it's only i386 | 16:39 |
| * apachelogger notes that metapackages are arch all and thus only built on i386 | 16:46 | |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: well, it doesn't install for me | 16:47 |
| apachelogger | *shrug* | 16:47 |
| * Mamarok wants her kde-devel package pack | 16:48 | |
| Mamarok | broken since RC2 | 16:48 |
| Mamarok | back* even | 16:48 |
| nixternal | hola | 16:56 |
| neversfelde | Mamarok: you have to add the ppa to your sources.list, apt-get update and apt-get install kde-devel | 16:56 |
| neversfelde | works for me on jaunty amd64 | 16:56 |
| Mamarok | guess what I did | 16:57 |
| * Mamarok cleans her cache and tries again | 16:57 | |
| * ScottK thinks maybe writing xz-utils MIR would be an appropriate penance. | 16:58 | |
| Mamarok | neversfelde: works now :) | 17:03 |
| neversfelde | Mamarok: ok, I copy it to backports | 17:05 |
| neversfelde | Riddell: did you upload it to karmic or do you need a bug report for that? | 17:06 |
| ryanakca | dpkg interprets version number 1.0.3b1-1 as greater than 1.0.3-1, correct? | 17:11 |
| ScottK | ryanakca: Yes. | 17:11 |
| ryanakca | ScottK: Thanks | 17:12 |
| * JontheEchidna is on a dolphin/strigi crasher triaging roll | 17:22 | |
| nixternal | go JontheEchidna go!!! | 17:22 |
| nixternal | I don't get paid enough to triage | 17:22 |
| JontheEchidna | in fact, most of them were dupes of bug 335155 :/ | 17:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 335155 in kdebase "dolphin crashed with SIGSEGV in QNetworkProxy::QNetworkProxy()" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/335155 | 17:23 |
| * ScottK tossed usb-creator-kde on the dvd seed and filed a MIR bug, so maybe it gets promoted ... | 17:25 | |
| nixternal | ScottK: does your mini boot fine or do you have to set 'nomodeset' in grub for it to boot? | 17:29 |
| ScottK | nixternal: I had to add nomodeset for a long time, but as of wed it was booting. | 17:30 |
| nixternal | hrmm, it still isn't booting for me | 17:30 |
| * nixternal checks something...bbiaf | 17:31 | |
| nixternal | hrmm, this time I just removed 'splash' from the line and it boots fine | 17:40 |
| nixternal | so it seems to be an issue with usplash? | 17:40 |
| ScottK | There is a usplash crash bug that is picking up tons of dupes right now. | 17:42 |
| ScottK | nixternal: Bug 401432 seems to be mini 10v specific. | 17:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 401432 in usplash "usplash crashed with SIGSEGV in memset_var()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/401432 | 17:44 |
| * JontheEchidna facepalms @ bug 400909 | 17:53 | |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 400909 in rsibreak "Sync request RSIBreak from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/400909 | 17:53 |
| JontheEchidna | I guess that was back in a time where Arby knew not of epochs | 17:54 |
| JontheEchidna | come to think of it, where has he been anyways? | 17:54 |
| JontheEchidna | ~seen arby | 17:55 |
| kubotu | Arby was last seen 5 months, 26 days, 7 minutes and 44 seconds ago, quitting IRC (Remote closed the connection) | 17:55 |
| JontheEchidna | hum | 17:55 |
| * JontheEchidna would also like to meet who sponsored the 4: epoch package | 17:55 | |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: meet Riddell. | 17:57 |
| ScottK | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/rsibreak/4:0.9.0~beta3-kde4.0.80-0ubuntu1/+files/rsibreak_0.9.0~beta3-kde4.0.80-0ubuntu1.dsc | 17:58 |
| * JontheEchidna searches for the pointy stick of doom!1!!!11! | 17:58 | |
| * ScottK is currently begging for a bumped epoch in Debian. | 18:11 | |
| ScottK | Begging done. | 18:14 |
| * ScottK thinks Riddell owes him single malt Scotch at the next UDS. | 18:14 | |
| nixternal | mmm, single malt sounds good right about now | 18:21 |
| nixternal | but I will take some Tequilla, no reposado, but a nice anejo | 18:22 |
| nixternal | so, I took a programming test for a company, and I must have sucked so bad that they offered me some freelance work with PHP | 18:27 |
| ScottK | Ouch. | 18:28 |
| nixternal | thank god for google, because I don't know PHP all that well, but it is an easy enough language to figure out | 18:28 |
| ScottK | nixternal: Virtually all PHP programmers don't know it either. | 18:28 |
| nixternal | creating some web apps for cycling stats and some web2.0 cycling crap :) | 18:28 |
| nixternal | ScottK: I have kind of figured that out, if you look at the PHP docs, they have comments, and nobody seems to agree on a single/correct way to do something...there are like hundreds of comments, each with its own way to skin the same damn cat | 18:29 |
| ScottK | And 60% of them have security flaws. | 18:29 |
| nixternal | anyone messed with Ubuntu since their new GDM? it is by far the worst thing I have ever used since around 1994 | 18:29 |
| nixternal | I think logging into tty1 and then running startx is better | 18:30 |
| === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin | ||
| Mamarok | could somebody tell me what's wrong with Dolphin since RC2? | 19:03 |
| Mamarok | most of the time it freezes when coping files, or doesn't even open | 19:03 |
| * ScottK always thought the answer to that was it's not Konqueror, but you're having a different problem ... | 19:04 | |
| Mamarok | tried to start it from krunner, shows briefly in the Panel, then disapears | 19:05 |
| ryanakca | Mamarok: can you get a backtrace out of it? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Backtrace | 19:08 |
| Mamarok | Dr. Konqi doesn't show, all *-dbg packages installed | 19:09 |
| Mamarok | let's see in konsole... | 19:09 |
| Mamarok | ryanakca: olphin | 19:10 |
| Mamarok | <unknown program name>(6475)/: Communication problem with "dolphin" , it probably crashed. | 19:10 |
| Mamarok | Error message was: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken." " | 19:10 |
| CIA-31 | Kubuntu: apachelogger * r127 kdebase-workspace/debian/ (changelog control): | 20:09 |
| CIA-31 | Kubuntu: * Drop plasma-scriptengine-superkaramba from recommends to suggests, no | 20:09 |
| CIA-31 | Kubuntu: need to have it on the CD since it's really just compatibility with KDE 3 | 20:09 |
| CIA-31 | Kubuntu: * Add plasma-scriptengine-ruby as dependency of plasma-scriptengines | 20:09 |
| === ejat is now known as e-jat | ||
| === Quintasan__ is now known as Quintasan | ||
| lex79 | ScottK: can you retry build of kdepim and kdeutils? FTBS on amd64 | 20:28 |
| ScottK | url? | 20:28 |
| lex79 | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeutils/4:4.2.98-0ubuntu1/+build/1130357 | 20:28 |
| lex79 | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/4:4.2.98-0ubuntu1/+build/1130344 | 20:29 |
| === toma is now known as toma_ | ||
| ryanakca | Mamarok: try `mv $HOME/.kde/share/config/dolphinrc $HOME/.kde/share/config/dolphinrc-2009-07-24`, logout and in... | 20:31 |
| Mamarok | ok, will try now | 20:32 |
| Mamarok | what the... I can't logout... | 20:37 |
| Mamarok | what's the other on again, Ctrl+SysRq+K, right? | 20:38 |
| ryanakca | Mamarok: Not sure. | 20:38 |
| Mamarok | doesn't work neither, I will have to kill X as it seems :( | 20:39 |
| ryanakca | Mamarok: Do you use Qwerty or Dvorak? | 20:39 |
| Mamarok | nope | 20:39 |
| ryanakca | Mamarok: what's you're keyboard layout then? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key#Magic_commands | 20:40 |
| Mamarok | Swiss, QWERTZ | 20:40 |
| Mamarok | similar to the German one | 20:40 |
| Mamarok | so Ctrl+SysRq+k should work | 20:41 |
| Mamarok | oh, Alt instead of Ctrl, silly me! | 20:42 |
| ryanakca | Mamarok: any luck? | 20:46 |
| Mamarok | wait, I just had to reboot, X froze the computer after logout | 20:47 |
| Mamarok | nah, still doesn't start | 20:48 |
| Mamarok | brilliant, no Dolphin for me in RC3 :( | 20:50 |
| Mamarok | and it was laready shaky in RC2 | 20:50 |
| Mamarok | already* | 20:50 |
| Mamarok | not good :( | 20:50 |
| Mamarok | I vaguely remember having seen a bug report about that today... | 20:51 |
| ryanakca | Mamarok: an arch user was having similar issues, http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=66423 | 20:53 |
| Mamarok | and right now there seems to be another one in #kubuntu, moment... | 20:53 |
| Mamarok | nope, other problem | 20:55 |
| ryanakca | Mamarok: hmmm...openSUSE too, http://forums.opensuse.org/pre-release-beta/417666-m3-kde4-3-quite-unstable.html | 20:56 |
| Mamarok | right, so we will have to talk to upstream | 20:56 |
| * ryanakca nods | 20:57 | |
| ryanakca | Anyways, $self->takeBusHome(), bbiab | 20:57 |
| Mamarok | ryanakca: cu | 20:58 |
| Mamarok | looks like a dbus problem | 21:04 |
| Mamarok | omg, now it took 5 minutes to open dolphin :( | 21:18 |
| neversfelde | mhh, no Problems with dolphin here | 21:19 |
| ScottK | Mamarok: Is it the same problems with file management using Konqueror (this will actually help narrow down the problem) | 21:19 |
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| ScottK | JontheEchidna: http://packages.qa.debian.org/r/rsibreak/news/20090724T181719Z.html <- you can try rsibreak again. | 21:57 |
| Quintasan | should I report kwin's retardness as a bug? | 21:58 |
| mgraesslin | Quintasan: what's the problem? | 21:59 |
| Quintasan | mgraesslin: well, I start kde session and everthing is soooo slow. Then I start KDE/Openbox session and everything is very fast and responsive. I tried turning off effects, deleted my config but it's still slow :/ | 22:00 |
| mgraesslin | hmm | 22:01 |
| mgraesslin | which driver? | 22:01 |
| Quintasan | radeon I'm afraid | 22:01 |
| Quintasan | since radeon 9550 is not supported by fglrx | 22:02 |
| mgraesslin | like we always say: probably driver bug | 22:02 |
| mgraesslin | it would have been nice if ATI had supported those cards just have a year longer | 22:02 |
| Quintasan | mgraesslin: hmm now that you mention it. KDE on my second computer with integrated Intel works just fine | 22:04 |
| mgraesslin | so you are one of the lucky guys | 22:05 |
| * JontheEchidna has a 5 year old i845G that works just as well as his nvidia card with linux | 22:06 | |
| JontheEchidna | which says something about the old nvidia drivers. They're slow and have tons of tearing with desktop effects on | 22:07 |
| mgraesslin | it's so much luck - the setup works for one and for the other it's completely broken | 22:07 |
| neversfelde | uh, I have a Windows Vista here, nice | 22:08 |
| JontheEchidna | except that modprobe crashes during boot with my nvidia card, so I have to use the intel (which is a bit better w/ linux, honestly) | 22:08 |
| neversfelde | is there something similar to XP? | 22:08 |
| Quintasan | lol Vista | 22:12 |
| neversfelde | yes, you say it | 22:13 |
| neversfelde | and now I am going to install Service Pack 1 | 22:13 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: You going to deal with rsibreak? | 22:26 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: oh, yeah. I reopened the sync request linking to the qa site | 22:27 |
| ScottK | Great. | 22:27 |
| * JontheEchidna goes off to eat | 22:29 | |
| neversfelde | ah nellery, you are the MOTU I need | 22:56 |
| neversfelde | :) | 22:56 |
| nellery | neversfelde: hi :) | 22:56 |
| neversfelde | do you have time to have a look at bilbo and bkodama on revu | 22:57 |
| neversfelde | hi :) | 22:57 |
| neversfelde | they need a second advocate | 22:57 |
| nellery | neversfelde: sure | 22:58 |
| neversfelde | cool | 22:58 |
| ScottK-desktop | neversfelde: Could you write a MIR for xz-utils? | 23:07 |
| ScottK-desktop | Needed for lzma support in Ark. | 23:07 |
| neversfelde | ScottK-desktop: never done, but why not | 23:08 |
| neversfelde | will last till tomorrow, but I put it on the todo | 23:10 |
| ScottK-desktop | neversfelde: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess | 23:10 |
| neversfelde | k, should be ready tomorrow evening | 23:13 |
| nellery | neversfelde: looking at bkodama, only thing I see is that the orig was originally packaged as a tar.bz2 on kde-look | 23:19 |
| nellery | it should be mentioned on the changelog that you repackaged it | 23:19 |
| neversfelde | nellery: I thought that is ok for karmic? | 23:19 |
| JontheEchidna | Finally, 0 'new' bugs for kde4libs again: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs | 23:20 |
| nellery | is it? Wasn't aware of that.. looks all ok otherwise | 23:20 |
| JontheEchidna | The page looks... beautiful ;.; | 23:20 |
| neversfelde | dunno, JontheEchidna do you know about it? | 23:20 |
| JontheEchidna | I usually don't bother. If the contents inside the tar changed I would, but since you didn't actually change the contents of the tar... | 23:21 |
| JontheEchidna | you're just gzipping it instead of bzip2ing it | 23:21 |
| neversfelde | mhh | 23:22 |
| JontheEchidna | or that's how I see it, anyway | 23:22 |
| nellery | alright, should be ok then | 23:23 |
| nellery | oh, and I changed the maintainer to Ubuntu Developers fyi | 23:24 |
| neversfelde | yep | 23:24 |
| neversfelde | should I ask for an SRU on the motu mailinglist? | 23:25 |
| nellery | neversfelde: uploaded | 23:30 |
| neversfelde | nellery: thx | 23:31 |
| neversfelde | that was bkodama? | 23:32 |
| nellery | Yes | 23:32 |
| neversfelde | are you looking at bilbo? | 23:32 |
| Nightrose | why is the username in the microblogging applet set to "kubuntu" by default? | 23:33 |
| Nightrose | that makes like no sense | 23:33 |
| ScottK | Because that's the user name on the live CD? | 23:34 |
| Nightrose | not the live cd | 23:35 |
| Nightrose | on my working system | 23:35 |
| Nightrose | just upgraded to 4.3 | 23:35 |
| neversfelde | Nightrose: Jaunty? | 23:35 |
| Nightrose | jep | 23:36 |
| neversfelde | Nightrose: everything ok? | 23:36 |
| neversfelde | except this username | 23:36 |
| Nightrose | yea on my main PC everything seems to be working very smoothly | 23:37 |
| Nightrose | and a lot faster than 4.2 | 23:37 |
| Nightrose | but on my eeepc the upgrade broke my kopete accounts | 23:37 |
| Nightrose | no idea why or what is different from my main system | 23:37 |
| Nightrose | they both have the same accounts in kopete | 23:37 |
| neversfelde | ScottK-desktop: would you have a look at meta-kde, there is an updated version in ninjas | 23:37 |
| neversfelde | Nightrose: do you have kopete-facebook installed? | 23:38 |
| Nightrose | i didn't install it - so if it wasn't installed by some upgrade no | 23:38 |
| neversfelde | it prevents my kopete from starting | 23:39 |
| Nightrose | heh ok - well it starts fine and shows my contacts | 23:39 |
| Nightrose | just none of my accounts got migrated | 23:39 |
| neversfelde | that is not a problem here | 23:41 |
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