[00:00] <lex79> :)
[00:02] <quassel208> not kicked yet? lol getting kicked out off channel where I didnt say a word, now I final can watch my sere
[00:03] <lex79> Riddell: can you remember tomorrow or when you have time  to upload kipi-plugins and digikam ? :) thx
[00:04] <Riddell> lex79: where are they?
[00:04] <lex79> Riddell: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/digikam/+bug/401231
[00:04] <lex79> and
[00:04] <lex79> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kipi-plugins/+bug/395481
[00:09] <lex79> JontheEchidna: qtcurve new upstream release, one a day :)
[00:10] <neversfelde> changing fonts for gtk apps is borken here on a fresh karmic install
[00:15] <shtylman> Riddell: want to add some ubiquity tasks to the todo?
[00:18] <Riddell> shtylman: oh aye
[00:33] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: oh? I'd be interested to hear about that
[00:43] <Riddell> shtylman: good
[00:43] <Riddell> dood, it works and it is the bling
[00:43] <shtylman> :)
[00:43] <shtylman> I cleaned up the map a bit too..to make it match the gtk side
[00:44] <shtylman> still need to implement the keyboard display feature...
[00:46] <Riddell> I've not seen that
[00:46] <shtylman> which part?
[00:46] <Riddell> keyboard display
[00:46] <shtylman> yea
[00:46] <shtylman> its not done
[00:46] <Riddell> shtylman: what happens during the install, is it still full screen?
[00:46] <shtylman> yep
[00:47] <shtylman> it is ALWAYS full screen...but you have the option to minimize...
[00:47] <shtylman> which reminds me..I need to remove that option from the install only choice
[00:47] <shtylman> when not in a live session...
[00:48] <Riddell> has seele looked at it at all?
[00:48] <seele> looked at what?
[00:49] <shtylman> dunno
[00:49] <maco> seele: ubiquity
[00:49] <seele> the new one? i didnt see it when i installed the latest karmic iso
[00:49] <seele> it looked like the old one
[00:49] <shtylman> yea...you have to get it separately...
[00:50] <shtylman> it didn't make it to this iso
[00:50] <seele> how do i get it separately? and can i run it in jaunty or karmic only?
[00:50] <shtylman> karmic only
[00:50] <shtylman> it needs latest pyqt stuff
[00:50] <maco> ... i just...what? i just sent an identi.ca update with the plasmoid and it went to /dev/null instead
[00:51] <maco> *question*: does the microblogging plasmoid work for anybody?
[00:51] <seele> kdetwitter or choqok?
[00:51] <seele> kdetwitter seems to eat my RAMs so i never use it
[00:51] <Riddell> microblog plasmoid worked for me
[00:52] <seele> choqok was buggy so i stopped using that
[00:52] <seele> maco: use the jabber identi.ca thing
[00:52] <seele> then you can just have a buddy in kopete to send messages to for updates
[00:52] <maco> kdetwitter, i guess
[00:52] <maco> whatever the thing on the desktop is
[00:52] <seele> and you can subscribe to them
[00:52] <seele> shtylman: so how do i get ubiquity?
[00:53] <shtylman> lp:~shtylman/ubiquity/kde_themeing
[00:53] <seele> lp:?
[00:53] <maco> i wonder if gwibber works again yet... i wanted to use the plasmoids so i can have 1 that's me and 1 that's ohio linuxfest...using gwibber id have to switch who i'm posting as constantly
[00:53] <maco> seele: bzr branch <what he said>
[00:53] <seele> uh...
[00:53] <seele> is there a package?
[00:53] <shtylman> hmm... Riddell ^
[00:54] <shtylman> got one in a ppa? ... I never put mine up...
[00:54] <shtylman> seele: we shall see :)
[00:55] <shtylman> I have some screenshots up at: http://shtylman.com/stuff/kubuntu_installer/version4/
[00:57] <Riddell> I don't have packages
[00:57] <Riddell> maybe best if we just merge it and get it uploaded and have CDs to play with
[00:57] <seele> hmm.. why lowercase text in the progress labels?
[00:58] <seele> i think i would like to see better positional feedback on the current progress item too
[00:59] <seele> damnit, really need a copy of photoshop
[01:01] <shtylman> seele: lowercase text because it looks nice... :) doesn't make anything stand out too much
[01:01] <shtylman> seele: what do you mean by positional feedback?
[01:01] <dtchen> git send-pack kernel.ubuntu.com:/srv/kernel.ubuntu.com/git/dtchen/ubuntu-karmic.git lp398059
[01:02] <dtchen> bah, sorry
[01:02] <seele> shtylman: you are using color to indicate which part of the process the user is on, imo that's not strong enough
[01:02] <shtylman> :)
[01:02] <JontheEchidna> The "Kubuntu Karmic" in the top left corner should eventually say "Kubuntu 9.10" since we have a policy against not exposing the codename to the poor end users ;-P
[01:02] <seele> and i dunno if the lowercase text looks nice, especially when the matching label in the content window is in uppercase
[01:02] <shtylman> JontheEchidna: really? did...know that... :(
[01:03] <seele> they would have to match, but then it doesnt really fit with the rest of the text. it is a nice device, but i dont think it should be used here
[01:03] <JontheEchidna> shtylman: no biggie. I must admin it looks nice with karmic there
[01:03] <shtylman> seele: I can look at underline or something like that...but I do understand the accessibility concern...
[01:03] <seele> shtylman: i'm in the process of mocking up something
[01:03] <shtylman> k
[01:03] <seele> underlines are bad because they confuse users with web stuff
[01:03] <JontheEchidna> *admit
[01:03] <shtylman> k
[01:05] <seele> shtylman: "Partition" should probably be "Hard Disks" or omething else non-technical
[01:06]  * shtylman personally hates it when people assume normal users can't be bothered to learn some common terms and understand what they mean
[01:06] <seele> 1) it is inaccurate because you might not need to partition anything
[01:07] <seele> 2) depending on what option you select, you might not even see the word partition
[01:07] <seele> 3) why burden the user with becoming an expert in computing if all they want to do is look at facebook?
[01:07] <shtylman> by using something *non -technical* we keep users in the dark forever...that being said... I just sorta picked partition...for no real good reason..
[01:08] <seele> how is it the dark if they never need it?
[01:08] <seele> why does the user need to know how the computer works? they dont. they just need to use it
[01:08] <shtylman> but hard-disk doesn't really say anything to me either really...
[01:08] <seele> then think of something better, but partition is not accurate and not appropriate
[01:08] <shtylman> but I will change it to whatever yall find appropriate :)
[01:08] <JontheEchidna> "Installation Setup" perhaps?
[01:08] <shtylman> too long
[01:09] <JontheEchidna> "Setup" :P
[01:09] <seele> some of these things are going to translate pretty long
[01:09] <seele> or Disk Setup or something
[01:09] <shtylman> yea...but for the general case (of english) that one is really long
[01:09] <shtylman> I like disk setup
[01:09] <shtylman> :)
[01:10] <shtylman> I like disk setup alot :)
[01:10] <maco> me too
[01:10] <maco> was about to type it as i read backscroll
[01:11] <seele> hmm.. also.. i really don't like using Info, it looks unprofessional
[01:11] <seele> what about User Details?
[01:13] <shtylman> yea...possibly...
[01:13] <shtylman> info just makes it more...informal...more...social :)
[01:14]  * shtylman found a 59 page paper about the evolution of c++ by Bjarne ... starts reading...
[01:14] <maco> *snicker*
[01:14] <maco> seele "not professional! do not want!" shtylman "not professional! yay!"
[01:14] <shtylman> :)
[01:14] <shtylman> to each his own
[01:32] <seele> shtylman: http://imagebin.ca/view/FziY62Kl.html
[01:32] <seele> but it obviously needs nuno or someone to paint it
[01:32] <seele> so.. notable features
[01:32] <shtylman> seele: I might be able to just extend the current theme and center *whiter* area around the label..
[01:33] <seele> previously visited sections are smaller and lighter color font, double coded
[01:33]  * shtylman will need to think about  it a bit...
[01:33] <seele> current section has matching background to content area, and no border seperating it
[01:33] <shtylman> I would not make them smaller
[01:33] <shtylman> it feels unnatural to me ... at least
[01:33] <shtylman> but go on..
[01:33] <seele> also, usually you like the best option to be the one on the bottom left corner
[01:33] <shtylman> k
[01:33] <seele> in a wizard that would be forward progress
[01:34] <shtylman> (buttons are a carry onver from previous installer layout...but I will change that)
[01:34] <shtylman> I agree :)
[01:34] <seele> previous sections need some type of indicator that they were visited and completed, if not font treatment then maybe a check mark or something
[01:35] <shtylman> check mark sounds a bit better..changing font size I would avoid...
[01:35] <shtylman> it will cause the other labels to move up cause the ui will get layed out again
[01:35] <shtylman> and other things might shift...
[01:35] <shtylman> will cause confusion
[01:35] <seele> cant you set the text box to fixed or relative height?
[01:36] <seele> or statically place them?
[01:36] <shtylman> statically placed = 1990's layouts
[01:36] <seele> hmm.. could you do the layout in html? then you could use relative sizes
[01:36] <shtylman> fixed height is better..but then might have problems with other languages
[01:36] <shtylman> I would strongly suggest looking at checkmarks first
[01:36] <shtylman> nope..can't do it in html
[01:36]  * seele shrugs
[01:37]  * shtylman has limitations... not saying it all isn't possible...just that with the time constrains ;)
[01:37] <shtylman> *constraints
[01:37] <shtylman> would not be advisible
[01:38] <seele> well whatever you can do, but positional feedback is strongly advised
[01:38] <shtylman> k
[01:38] <seele> AND FIX THOSE LOWERCASE LABELS!!!!
[01:38]  * seele shakes her finger at shtylman 
[01:38] <shtylman> :(
[01:38]  * seele pats shtylman on the head
[01:38] <shtylman> but they look so ... soo... web 2.0 ish
[01:38] <shtylman> but ok.. will fix
[01:38] <seele> aaaaaahhh!!
[01:39] <seele> you've been reading too much smashingmagazine
[01:39] <shtylman> ahahah
[01:53] <shtylman> seele: http://imagebin.ca/view/TUKIS2.html
[01:53] <shtylman> just a quick workup on the "tab"
[01:56] <shtylman> I even kinda like how the text got pulled in a bit
[01:56] <shtylman> really makes the current entry stand out...
[02:05] <seele> shtylman: yes, much better. thanks
[02:05] <shtylman> :)
[02:12] <maco> seele: did 9.04 have a more direct way to add launchers to the desktop than 9.10? im walking a new user through it and he said he has right click -> "add link to application" but on 9.10 all i can find to do it is to add a quicklaunch, drag the quicklaunch to the desktop, then configure it
[02:14] <seele> maco: no idea, i dont think i've ever done that
[02:14] <maco> well if he's right, then im against whatever change got rid of making that obvious
[02:15] <maco> also, i think kickoff should be exposed in the "add widget" thing as something other than "application launcher" because that sounds like "add a button for firefox"
[02:57] <ryanakca> neversfelde: I'm going to bed, but pong
[03:14] <nhandler> I just noticed, why don't we have an rss feed for kubuntu.org that we can put on the Planet?
[03:35] <vorian> sure
[06:03] <ScottK> birthdaylogger: akonadiconsole should either not be in the default install or not be in the development section of the menu.  Pick one.  I don't care which.
[06:07] <ScottK> It'd be nice if some MOTU would review/upload http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/xz-utils so we can get to work on getting lzma support in ark.
[06:10] <ScottK> nixternal: We do use UNRELEASED in bzr if something isn't to be uploaded right away.
[06:22] <maco> well Riddell merged it in the meantime
[06:22] <maco> ScottK: do you know what the proper thing to request merges to are?
[06:23] <ScottK> A ping here with a link to your branch works.
[06:23] <ScottK> The merge request thingy notifies appropriate people too.
[06:24] <ScottK> maco: Please get yourself made a Kubuntu member very soon so you can just committ to bzr.
[06:24] <maco> Riddell said ~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/hardy/sudo/hardy-proposed wasn't something he could merge and upload to, he had to branch it then make a source package and upload as normal
[06:25] <maco> but i thought it was supposed to get easier...where sponsor folk could merge it to whats released and tell it to rebuild with that
[06:25] <maco> ScottK: how come kubuntu members has a bzr and ubuntu-members doesn't?
[06:26] <ScottK> Because we decided to do it this way and they didn't?
[06:26] <maco> hehe ok
[06:33] <ScottK> You asked.
[06:33] <ScottK> maco: The full stuff with uploads based on bzr isn't ready yet.
[06:33] <ScottK> We're still using our bzr repos of just the debian dirs.
[06:36] <maco> ah so its planned but WIP?
[06:38] <maco> i dont remember http://blogs.computerworld.com/ubuntu_to_make_linux_application_installation_idiot_proof at UDS
[06:39] <ScottK> Yes.
[06:40] <ScottK> maco: It was discussed.
[06:40]  * ScottK didn't pay attention since it sounded Gnomish.
[06:41] <maco> heh probably what i did as well
[06:42]  * ScottK declares it bedtime.
[06:43] <maco> ditto. gotta catch the train in 4 hours
[06:50] <jussio1> Morning all
[10:55] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: I can change fonts of firefox, when using Raleigh, but not with QtCurve. I thnk I should test it with another GTK app, but I have none :)
[11:08] <Tm_T> neversfelde: try gimp
[11:12] <neversfelde> same problem
[11:33] <ulysses__> is there kde 4.3 RC3 in jaunty backports?
[11:33] <Riddell> ulysses__: it's about to arrive
[11:34] <ulysses__> thanks Riddell
[11:40] <Trouble> I'm about to hit the button to update
[11:40] <ulysses__> i've updated my karmic yet
[11:52]  * Trouble is now running KDE 4.2.98 (KDE 4.3 RC3) in Jaunty
[11:53] <Riddell> yay
[11:54] <Trouble> .o/
[11:54] <Trouble> \o.
[11:54] <Trouble> \o/
[11:57]  * ulysses__ is running KDE 4.2.98 in Karmic
[11:59] <apachelogger> yay
[12:00] <apachelogger> intarwebs is back :D
[12:00]  * apachelogger got no landline or mobile connection for 12 hours
[12:00] <apachelogger> darn storms
[12:00] <Riddell> it's a hint that you should be out celebrating being older
[12:01] <apachelogger> well, I only noticed when I got home anyway ;-)
[12:03] <apachelogger> ScottK: judging from krake's feedback I suppose moving it from development to system is the way to go
[12:17] <Riddell> neversfelde: all good installing 4.2.98 here
[12:17] <Riddell> I'll announce
[12:19] <neversfelde> :)
[12:20] <CIA-31> Kubuntu: apachelogger * r9 kdepim-runtime/debian/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
[12:20] <CIA-31> Kubuntu: Add kubuntu_01_akonadiconsole_to_system.diff moving akondiconsole from
[12:20] <CIA-31> Kubuntu: the Development category of the menu to System
[12:20] <Riddell> hello CIA-31, where did you come from?
[12:25] <apachelogger> from the CIA obviously :P
[12:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: I added it, though I find the concept of bzr-to-cia kinda weird
[12:26] <Riddell> why?
[12:26] <Riddell> it needs setup per machine which is a hassle
[12:26] <apachelogger> actually
[12:26] <apachelogger> per branch
[12:27] <apachelogger> which is even more of a hassle
[12:28] <Riddell> mmm
[12:32]  * apachelogger thinks someone should fix the nm applet :|
[12:33] <Mamarok> is there a chance to have an installable kde-devel package for 4.3? It still is held back in RC3
[12:35] <Riddell> neversfelde: fancy taking that on? ^^
[12:35] <Riddell> shtylman: shall we get your code merged?
[12:36] <Riddell> shtylman: it struck me we should look at the accessibility side, that can often suffer when you use custom colours and graphics for widgets
[12:37] <neversfelde> Riddell: I have to go out for a few hours, but will have a look at it after I return
[12:55] <Riddell> aww, agateau left just as I was causing his stuff to crash
[12:58] <neversfelde> Riddell: was a minor issue. I uploaded a fixed meta-kde package to ninjas, because there is no bzr branch
[13:01] <Riddell> groovy, copy it over to backports ppa when you think it's good
[13:17] <ScottK> apachelogger: Sounds good.  I think settings catagory should also die.
[13:22] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: QtCurve gets its fonts from KDE, so you may have a bit of trouble there
[13:24] <neversfelde> Mamarok: you are on Jaunty?
[13:24] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: changing fonts for KDE works without problems
[13:24] <ryanakca> nhandler: We do have an RSS feed, we just need to edit the planet configs...
[13:25] <nhandler> ryanakca: Ok, I must have missed it. Is there a reason it never got on the Planet? If not, lets add it :)
[13:25] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: but changing them one time and back solved the problem with gtk apps. Weird.
[13:25] <ryanakca> nhandler: Nope, nobody ever got around to it. Did you want to do it or shall I?
[13:25] <nhandler> ryanakca: I can take care of it.
[13:26] <ryanakca> nhandler: Lovely, thanks
[13:26] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: it might be wise, that when QtCurve is set, to tell users that QtCurve uses the KDE fonts. what do you think?
[13:27] <neversfelde> yes, a good idea
[13:28] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I'm going to push 0.5.1 today after I implement ^
[13:28] <neversfelde> Mamarok: I have to go. Would you test installing kde-devel from the staging ppa, if you are on Jaunty. Thanks.
[13:29] <Mamarok> neversfelde: ok, will do :)
[13:37] <nhandler> ryanakca: Do we have any decent Kubuntu logo that can be used as the hackergotchi?
[13:38] <Riddell> ryanakca: wibble, RC 3 is on http://www.kubuntu.org/ but follow the link and it doesn't work
[13:41] <Riddell> ryanakca: wibble, it's utterly broken now
[13:43] <Riddell> ryanakca: phew, think I got it sorted
[13:53] <ryanakca> Riddell: OK, *checks*
[13:53] <ryanakca> Riddell: woah, the link is broken...
[13:55] <ryanakca> Riddell: Are you editing it at the moment? I don't want to change something and overwrite your stuff, or vice versa
[13:56] <ryanakca> Nevermind, it works :)
[13:59] <Riddell> ryanakca: i'm done
[14:02] <apachelogger> ScottK: qtconfig is already gone and JontheEchidna will push 0.5.1 of kcm-gtk today
[14:04] <nhandler> So do we have an icon suitable for a hackergotchi? Or should I just leave it without one?
[14:05] <apachelogger> nhandler: icon for what?
[14:05] <nhandler> apachelogger: The Planet
[14:06] <apachelogger> planet?
[14:06] <nhandler> Ubuntu
[14:06]  * apachelogger is clearly not up-to-date
[14:06] <nhandler> I was going to add kubuntu.org to planet.ubuntu.com so more people see what we post there
[14:06] <apachelogger> ah
[14:07] <apachelogger> oh well
[14:07] <apachelogger> then we ought to post more than one sentence consisting of 90% links :P
[14:07]  * apachelogger pokes Riddell for that
[14:08] <ScottK> apachelogger: Great.  I think the gtk thingy was the last one I had.
[14:11] <Mamarok> neversfelde: there is no kde-devel package in the staging ppa
[14:11] <Mamarok> ok, I have the following problems with RC3: http://pastebin.com/m734d83ac
[14:12] <Riddell> does planet.ubuntu have a policy on non-personal blogs?
[14:13] <nhandler> Riddell: Not that I have seen. I know we have several similar team blogs listed there
[14:14] <ryanakca> Launchpad's announcements get in, why not ours? :)
[14:14] <Riddell> true
[14:14] <nhandler> Ubuntu Studio is also there
[14:16] <apachelogger> neversfelde, Riddell: why is there no bindings backport?
[14:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: everyone is too scared to try it
[14:17] <Riddell> needs sip and pyqt too
[14:17] <apachelogger> well
[14:17] <apachelogger> ruby aint is needing either of them :P
[14:18]  * apachelogger wants to port his synergy plasmoid to a popupapplet
[14:22] <neversfelde> Mamarok: it is meta-kde
[14:24] <Nightrose> is there nything in the kubuntu-backports ppa that i likely will not want?
[14:24] <Nightrose> ie: is it save to upgrade to RC3?
[14:28] <neversfelde> Nightrose: koffice2 ?
[14:28] <Nightrose> that's ok
[14:29]  * Nightrose upgrades her eeepc and hopes for the best
[14:29] <neversfelde> I think there is nothing more than that
[14:31] <EagleScreen> I think RC3 packages are not built at all
[14:32] <neversfelde> ?
[14:32] <EagleScreen> Nightrose: upgrade to RC3 tries to remove multiple important packages by the momment, wait for some hour
[14:32] <neversfelde> for karmic?
[14:33] <apachelogger> ScottK: juk, or not juk, that is the question
[14:33] <ScottK> For netbook?
[14:33] <apachelogger> yes
[14:33] <neversfelde> EagleScreen: lex79 and Blizzz tested it for jaunty yesterday, it was ok
[14:34] <apachelogger> though, TBH, lately amarok is giving more of a headache than KDE 4.0 did
[14:34] <apachelogger> and 4.0 did a lot
[14:34] <Nightrose> it wants to remove kdeplasma-addons-data
[14:34] <Nightrose> is that ok?
[14:35] <nhandler> I added the Kubuntu feed to Planet Ubuntu. If someone has a suitable hackergotchi, please go ahead and add it (Instructions: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu)
[14:41] <apachelogger> nhandler: kubuntu logo?
[14:41] <apachelogger> err, the icon part of the logo
[14:41] <EagleScreen> there are 4 packages that are not opdated to RC3:
[14:41] <EagleScreen> kdebase-workspace-bin
[14:41] <EagleScreen> kdepim-runtime
[14:41] <EagleScreen> plasma-scriptengine-webkit
[14:41] <EagleScreen> plasma-scriptengine-superkaramba
[14:42] <EagleScreen> these stop the upgrade
[14:42] <EagleScreen> wait for some hours and they should be updates too
[14:43] <apachelogger> eh
[14:43] <Mamarok> neversfelde: well, I would never have searched for that
[14:43] <apachelogger> ii  kdepim-runtime                            4:4.2.98-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa2            PIM runtime components from the official KDE 4 release
[14:43] <EagleScreen> i am talking about karmic, not jaunty
[14:43] <apachelogger> oh
[14:43] <Mamarok> EagleScreen: worked without flaws here
[14:43] <apachelogger> like anyone cares about karmic?
[14:44] <apachelogger> that beast is broken beyond repair anyway
[14:44] <EagleScreen> i am talking about amd64, other archs may have packages updated yet
[14:44] <Mamarok> EagleScreen: we are talking about Jaunty here
[14:44] <EagleScreen> going for launch, see u later
[14:45] <apachelogger> ScottK: the only other option is qmmp, which is cool and got all the features you want but that winamp-clone-interface is just horrible
[14:45] <apachelogger> juk just needs some config changes to be half-way decent
[14:45] <nhandler> apachelogger: It is blurry, I was wondering if we had anything else, otherwise I guess we can use it
[14:46] <apachelogger> + it doesn't crash, eat your mem and updates it's database properly
[14:46] <apachelogger> nhandler: how can it be blurry?
[14:46] <ScottK> apachelogger: I'm not at all an expert on the media player stuff, so whatever everyone else thinks, I'm good with.
[14:47] <apachelogger> ScottK: amarok takes like 15 seconds to start
[14:47] <ScottK> Not good.
[14:47] <apachelogger> even from splash end to GUI it's a couple of seconds
[14:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: Tonio_ was looking at YANIHP for music player on netbook
[14:50] <Riddell> the Amarok people seem to think it's entirely suited to netbooks too
[14:50] <yuriy> whoa what's going on? replacing amarok?
[14:51] <apachelogger> well, we can give YANIHP a shot
[14:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: the name is quite a PITA though
[14:52] <Riddell> true
[14:52] <Riddell> yuriy: for Netbook possibly
[14:52] <yuriy> any strong reason to? I think it'd be a big loss even for netbooks
[14:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: yup, I recently tested, but it's not polished enough for integration...
[14:53] <Tonio_> I tried to patch a bit, but there's too much to do
[14:53] <Riddell> EagleScreen: kdepim-runtime retrying, kdebase-workspace should be in though
[14:53] <yuriy> i would say a default configuration without the context view would be good though for netbooks
[14:53] <ScottK> Let's try Juk with apachelogger's config magic applied and see how it is.
[14:53] <apachelogger> Tonio_: also, it is entirely done by fred
[14:53] <apachelogger> so from a maintenance point of view juk got a clear advantage there
[14:53] <Tonio_> apachelogger: yep
[14:53] <apachelogger> just by juk being in KDE svn it is ahead :D
[14:53] <Riddell> yuriy: long startup time, busy UI
[14:54] <Tonio_> my only concern with juk is that it won't work with m4a files... -> itunes and so on
[14:54] <apachelogger> just depend on taglib-extras
[14:54] <Tonio_> but for several reasons, YANIHP isn't ready, and fairly unmaintained
[14:54] <apachelogger> unless juk blacklists m4a manually, which would need to be patched
[14:54] <Tonio_> apachelogger: nope that's on the code
[14:55] <apachelogger> Tonio_: reading should all be done by taglib, shouldn't it?
[14:55] <Tonio_> apachelogger: unfortunatelly no
[14:55] <apachelogger> so what is in the code?
[14:55] <Tonio_> apachelogger: there's some loop to parse using taglib, for mp3 files and so on
[14:55] <Tonio_> this code ain't there for m4a
[14:55] <apachelogger> well, just add it :P
[14:56] <apachelogger> taglib still is doing most of the work
[14:56] <Tonio_> I started to write it, but that's well among what I can do with C++ :)
[14:56] <Riddell> juk uses the same taglib as amarok
[14:56] <Tonio_> I could parse, and get a segfault
[14:56] <Riddell> also same playing backend via phonon
[14:56] <apachelogger> Tonio_: that is something :)
[14:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: from what I've seen in the code, it's not that simple
[14:56] <apachelogger> anyway, I find it quite weird that juk reimplements the same loop for every codec
[14:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: and probably patching juk would make more sense on that point
[14:56] <apachelogger> kinda ... well ... eh ... bad design
[14:57] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I was talking about yanihp there
[14:57] <Tonio_> maybe patching juk for this purpose would be easier
[14:57] <apachelogger> technically there is no need for patching in juk
[14:57] <Tonio_> apachelogger: hum great then
[14:57] <apachelogger> if juk does it like amarok it will just go through the collection folders and throw every file at taglib and see if the lib spits out anything useful
[14:58] <apachelogger> simply put that is ;-)
[14:58] <Tonio_> then we should go for juk
[14:58] <apachelogger> Tonio_: do you have a m4a file for testing?
[14:58] <Tonio_> we still have to choose for an irc client
[14:58]  * Tonio_ is all for konversation
[14:58] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I only have m4a files :)
[14:58] <Tonio_> lemme test
[14:58] <apachelogger> Tonio_: make sure taglib-extras is installed
[14:58] <apachelogger> standard taglib does not contain the plugins
[14:58] <Tonio_> apachelogger: yep
[14:59] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I know that :)
[14:59] <apachelogger> just making sure ;-)
[15:00] <Tonio_> apachelogger: nope, it will only find mp3 files :/
[15:00] <apachelogger> then it probably blacklists m4a
[15:01] <Tonio_> apachelogger: we have to look at the code on that point
[15:01]  * apachelogger does the config right now
[15:01] <apachelogger> oh dear, juk also uses this weird GUI config string like dolphin
[15:01] <Tonio_> apachelogger: we have to change the view by default too, to enable the artist/album thing
[15:01] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I'll fix kds
[15:02] <apachelogger> knds for now
[15:02] <apachelogger> artist album thing?
[15:04] <ScottK> Tonio_: I agree that we should put the cahnges in knds for now.
[15:04] <Tonio_> ScottK: yup
[15:06] <CIA-31> Kubuntu: apachelogger * r10 kubuntu-netbook-default-settings/ (share/config/jukrc debian/changelog): Add jukrc (showing Play Queue and History in the sidebar)
[15:06] <apachelogger> ScottK: ^ that ought to be tested
[15:06] <ScottK> apachelogger: Maybe Tonio_ can do it.  I'm slammed with $WORK today.
[15:06] <apachelogger> kk
[15:07] <apachelogger> Tonio_: ^ test
[15:07] <apachelogger> Tonio_: btw, we need to patch it to use $HOME/Music by default
[15:08] <ScottK> Someone should arrange for usb-creator-kde to get promoted so we can seed it.
[15:08] <Tonio_> apachelogger: can be configured no need to patch
[15:08] <apachelogger> Tonio_: configured?
[15:09] <Tonio_> apachelogger: yep
[15:09] <apachelogger> where?
[15:09] <Tonio_> hum, xdg folders will not help on that point :)
[15:09] <apachelogger> right :P
[15:09] <apachelogger> patch!
[15:09] <apachelogger> hm, the splash is quite ugly
[15:09] <Tonio_> apachelogger: hum, there's no way to edit the collection settings once set
[15:09] <Tonio_> so maybe better let the user decide where's his music no ?
[15:10] <apachelogger> well
[15:10] <apachelogger> File -> add folder
[15:10] <Tonio_> unless there is an editor for the collection (we can patch for that too)
[15:10] <apachelogger> not quite obvious
[15:10] <apachelogger> anyway
[15:10] <apachelogger> what the patch should do:
[15:10] <Tonio_> apachelogger: that won't edit the default collection
[15:10] <apachelogger> read the xdg thingy
[15:10] <Tonio_> and this one cannot be removed btw
[15:10] <apachelogger> if dir exists? => add dir to folders list and make it unremovable (if possible) => show dialog so user can add more/other folders
[15:11] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I would patch to rename "add folder" to "edit collection"
[15:11] <Tonio_> because you can *remove* folders also :)
[15:11] <Tonio_> apachelogger: agree with the patch then
[15:11] <apachelogger> add/remove folder then
[15:11] <Tonio_> so writing the todo...
[15:11] <apachelogger> cause literally edit collection is something different
[15:11] <Tonio_> kk
[15:12] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I'll have a look at m4a files... I'm not sure it'll be easy
[15:12] <CIA-31> Kubuntu: apachelogger * r11 kubuntu-netbook-default-settings/ (debian/changelog share/config/jukrc):
[15:12] <CIA-31> Kubuntu: Add jukrc (showing Play Queue and History in the sidebar and disabling
[15:12] <CIA-31> Kubuntu: the startup splash screen)
[15:12] <CIA-31> Kubuntu: -Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:12:16 +0200
[15:13] <apachelogger> hm
[15:13] <apachelogger> lovely how bzr commits things
[15:14] <Tonio_> apachelogger: maybe change the view mode to tree
[15:14] <Tonio_> that's way better when having a hudge collection
[15:14] <Tonio_> hum I can do :)
[15:14]  * Tonio_ forgot about bzr
[15:17] <seele> hmm.. dont remember if i got an answer: was there a bug regarding the apps menu organization?
[15:18] <apachelogger> seele: in lp or bko?
[15:19] <seele> apachelogger: lp
[15:19] <apachelogger> didn't see one
[15:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ^
[15:19] <JontheEchidna> nope, not that I saw
[15:20] <seele> ah, damn. ok
[15:20] <seele> that would have been a good papercut
[15:20] <seele> and we're not doing so well on ours
[15:20] <apachelogger> seele: that would have been fixed already
[15:20] <Tonio_> apachelogger: can you add this to jukrc please ?
[15:20] <Tonio_> [PlaylistBox]
[15:20] <Tonio_> ViewMode=2
[15:20] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I'm not a member of the kubuntu-netbook team right now.... subscribing
[15:21] <apachelogger> Tonio_: you are member of the ninjas, arent ya?
[15:21] <Tonio_> hum I don't think so :)
[15:21] <CIA-31> Kubuntu: apachelogger * r12 kubuntu-netbook-default-settings/share/config/jukrc: Set juk's playlist view mode to treewise
[15:21] <Tonio_> bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(lp-44636112:///~kubuntu-netbook/kubuntu-netbook/default-settings/.bzr/branchlock): Transport operation not possible: readonly transport
[15:21] <Nightrose> in case anyone is interested: upgrade killed my kopete accounts
[15:33] <Riddell> huh?
[15:33] <Riddell> Nightrose: upgrade from what to what?
[15:33] <Nightrose> 4.2.4 to rc3
[15:38] <seele> does anyone have problems with overly sensitive/auto double clicking mice?
[15:45] <vorian> do we really need a cia bot in here?
[15:54] <apachelogger> Tonio_: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot012.png
[15:55] <Tonio_> apachelogger: hum, what did you change ?
[15:56] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I have libtaglib-extra0 installed, and that didn't work for me
[15:56] <apachelogger> Tonio_: needs some patching
[15:57] <apachelogger> the tag read is indeed very weird code though
[15:57] <Tonio_> apachelogger: as I said :)
[15:57] <apachelogger> easy enough to enhance fortunately
[15:57] <Tonio_> apachelogger: did you already patch ?
[15:57] <apachelogger> nope, hacked it up
[15:57] <apachelogger> I'll diff in a minute
[15:57] <Tonio_> apachelogger: ok
[15:57] <ScottK> apachelogger: Can you review/upload http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/xz-utils
[15:58] <Tonio_> apachelogger: the problem is that there is no unified method for reading the tag depending the format
[15:58] <Tonio_> each algo uses different names for the album and so on
[15:58] <Tonio_> taglib is a mess, to be honnest
[15:58] <Tonio_> apachelogger: that's why despite there is a lib, there is some code to write in each app for each supported format :/
[15:58] <apachelogger> ScottK: within the next couple of minutes or hours?
[15:59] <ScottK> apachelogger: Hours is great.
[15:59] <apachelogger> Tonio_: taglib reads the tags, but the file detection part ought to be done in the app
[15:59] <ScottK> apachelogger: Then we need to find a minion to write the MIR.
[15:59] <Tonio_> apachelogger: when you say "hacked", you mean that you can now extract a patch from that or ?
[15:59] <apachelogger> Quintasan_: wanna write a MIR? ;-)
[15:59] <apachelogger> Tonio_: pretty much
[16:00] <apachelogger> and cleanup
[16:00] <apachelogger> the thing is, this stuff can actually go upstream
[16:00] <Tonio_> apachelogger: impressive... that fast !
[16:00] <apachelogger> since taglib-extras is an lib anyway it just needs some if-ing and can go upstream
[16:00] <Tonio_> apachelogger: can't wait to see the patch, cause in the other player that was a hudge mess to patch
[16:00] <Tonio_> apachelogger: took me a night and didn't work by the end
[16:08] <Nightrose> Riddell: any idea about the kopete problem?
[16:08] <Nightrose> or anyone else?
[16:10] <Riddell> Nightrose: really none
[16:10] <Riddell> Nightrose: are they still in ~/.kde/share/config/kopeterc?
[16:10] <Nightrose> i'll check
[16:13] <Nightrose> Riddell: nope - not in there
[16:13] <Riddell> but but, where could they have gone?
[16:13] <apachelogger> Tonio_: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/kubuntu_06_juk_read_mp4.diff
[16:13] <Nightrose> heh i have no idea - it showed me some migration wizard when i started it
[16:13] <Nightrose> it completed ok
[16:14] <Nightrose> might have migrated to akonadi but no idea
[16:14] <apachelogger> Tonio_: we probably should add the other stuff from taglib-extras as well
[16:14] <Tonio_> apachelogger: great
[16:15] <Tonio_> apachelogger: seems like it was a bit easier to patch than with yanihp :) you didn't have to parse the all tag tree thing
[16:15] <apachelogger> Oo
[16:15] <Tonio_> apachelogger: yep, that would be nice, and to also push upstream
[16:15] <Tonio_> I think Riddell is the key for that :)
[16:16]  * apachelogger will just commit upstream when patch is generic enough :P
[16:16] <Tonio_> apachelogger: you should consider looking at yanihp code :) I had a good time there
[16:16] <apachelogger> since everything is iffed there is no downtake to the patch
[16:16] <apachelogger> downside even
[16:17] <apachelogger> jefferai: is the taglib-extras cmake module going to move to kdelibs at some point?
[16:17] <jefferai> I highly doubt it
[16:17] <jefferai> why?
[16:18] <apachelogger> jefferai: I am making juk taglib-extras aware
[16:18] <jefferai> Ah, cool
[16:18] <jefferai> btw, taglib 1.6 is finally going to be released at some point
[16:18] <apachelogger> so if the module was in kdelibs amarok and juk could share em
[16:18] <jefferai> soon
[16:18] <apachelogger> hehe :D
[16:19] <jefferai> taglib-extras will then drop two tag formats that are in taglib svn
[16:19] <apachelogger> jefferai: which ones got adopted?
[16:21] <jefferai> well actually...taglib-extras cloned the work from taglib :-)
[16:21] <jefferai> mp4
[16:22] <jefferai> and one other
[16:22] <jefferai> lessee
[16:22] <jefferai> asf
[16:24] <apachelogger> jefferai: nice
[16:24] <apachelogger> ScottK: uploaded
[16:24] <ScottK> apachelogger: Cool.
[16:25] <ScottK> Riddell: Would you please look at xz-utils in New?  We need it for lzma support in ark.
[16:26] <Riddell> ok
[16:26] <ScottK> Thanks.
[16:28] <Riddell> accepted
[16:35] <ScottK> Excellent.
[16:35] <ScottK> apachelogger: Did you find a minion for the xz-utils MIR?
[16:37] <apachelogger> Quintasan maybe
[16:37] <apachelogger> didn't responsd yet
[16:39] <Mamarok> neversfelde: kde-devel from staging can't work for me, it's only i386
[16:46]  * apachelogger notes that metapackages are arch all and thus only built on i386
[16:47] <Mamarok> apachelogger: well, it doesn't install for me
[16:47] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[16:48]  * Mamarok wants her kde-devel package pack
[16:48] <Mamarok> broken since RC2
[16:48] <Mamarok> back* even
[16:56] <nixternal> hola
[16:56] <neversfelde> Mamarok: you have to add the ppa to your sources.list, apt-get update and apt-get install kde-devel
[16:56] <neversfelde> works for me on jaunty amd64
[16:57] <Mamarok> guess what I did
[16:57]  * Mamarok cleans her cache and tries again
[16:58]  * ScottK thinks maybe writing xz-utils MIR would be an appropriate penance.
[17:03] <Mamarok> neversfelde: works now :)
[17:05] <neversfelde> Mamarok: ok, I copy it to backports
[17:06] <neversfelde> Riddell: did you upload it to karmic or do you need a bug report for that?
[17:11] <ryanakca> dpkg interprets version number 1.0.3b1-1 as greater than 1.0.3-1, correct?
[17:11] <ScottK> ryanakca: Yes.
[17:12] <ryanakca> ScottK: Thanks
[17:22]  * JontheEchidna is on a dolphin/strigi crasher triaging roll
[17:22] <nixternal> go JontheEchidna go!!!
[17:22] <nixternal> I don't get paid enough to triage
[17:23] <JontheEchidna> in fact, most of them were dupes of bug 335155 :/
[17:25]  * ScottK tossed usb-creator-kde on the dvd seed and filed a MIR bug, so maybe it gets promoted ...
[17:29] <nixternal> ScottK: does your mini boot fine or do you have to set 'nomodeset' in grub for it to boot?
[17:30] <ScottK> nixternal: I had to add nomodeset for a long time, but as of wed it was booting.
[17:30] <nixternal> hrmm, it still isn't booting for me
[17:31]  * nixternal checks something...bbiaf
[17:40] <nixternal> hrmm, this time I just removed 'splash' from the line and it boots fine
[17:40] <nixternal> so it seems to be an issue with usplash?
[17:42] <ScottK> There is a usplash crash bug that is picking up tons of dupes right now.
[17:44] <ScottK> nixternal: Bug 401432 seems to be mini 10v specific.
[17:53]  * JontheEchidna facepalms @ bug 400909
[17:54] <JontheEchidna> I guess that was back in a time where Arby knew not of epochs
[17:54] <JontheEchidna> come to think of it, where has he been anyways?
[17:55] <JontheEchidna> ~seen arby
[17:55] <kubotu> Arby was last seen 5 months, 26 days, 7 minutes and 44 seconds ago, quitting IRC (Remote closed the connection)
[17:55] <JontheEchidna> hum
[17:55]  * JontheEchidna would also like to meet who sponsored the 4: epoch package
[17:57] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: meet Riddell.
[17:58] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/rsibreak/4:0.9.0~beta3-kde4.0.80-0ubuntu1/+files/rsibreak_0.9.0~beta3-kde4.0.80-0ubuntu1.dsc
[17:58]  * JontheEchidna searches for the pointy stick of doom!1!!!11!
[18:11]  * ScottK is currently begging for a bumped epoch in Debian.
[18:14] <ScottK> Begging done.
[18:14]  * ScottK thinks Riddell owes him single malt Scotch at the next UDS.
[18:21] <nixternal> mmm, single malt sounds good right about now
[18:22] <nixternal> but I will take some Tequilla, no reposado, but a nice anejo
[18:27] <nixternal> so, I took a programming test for a company, and I must have sucked so bad that they offered me some freelance work with PHP
[18:28] <ScottK> Ouch.
[18:28] <nixternal> thank god for google, because I don't know PHP all that well, but it is an easy enough language to figure out
[18:28] <ScottK> nixternal: Virtually all PHP programmers don't know it either.
[18:28] <nixternal> creating some web apps for cycling stats and some web2.0 cycling crap :)
[18:29] <nixternal> ScottK: I have kind of figured that out, if you look at the PHP docs, they have comments, and nobody seems to agree on a single/correct way to do something...there are like hundreds of comments, each with its own way to skin the same damn cat
[18:29] <ScottK> And 60% of them have security flaws.
[18:29] <nixternal> anyone messed with Ubuntu since their new GDM? it is by far the worst thing I have ever used since around 1994
[18:30] <nixternal> I think logging into tty1 and then running startx is better
[19:03] <Mamarok> could somebody tell me what's wrong with Dolphin since RC2?
[19:03] <Mamarok> most of the time it freezes when coping files, or doesn't even open
[19:04]  * ScottK always thought the answer to that was it's not Konqueror, but you're having a different problem ...
[19:05] <Mamarok> tried to start it from krunner, shows briefly in the Panel, then disapears
[19:08] <ryanakca> Mamarok: can you get a backtrace out of it? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Backtrace
[19:09] <Mamarok> Dr. Konqi doesn't show, all *-dbg packages installed
[19:09] <Mamarok> let's see in konsole...
[19:10] <Mamarok> ryanakca: olphin
[19:10] <Mamarok> <unknown program name>(6475)/: Communication problem with  "dolphin" , it probably crashed.
[19:10] <Mamarok> Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken." "
[20:09] <CIA-31> Kubuntu: apachelogger * r127 kdebase-workspace/debian/ (changelog control):
[20:09] <CIA-31> Kubuntu: * Drop plasma-scriptengine-superkaramba from recommends to suggests, no
[20:09] <CIA-31> Kubuntu:  need to have it on the CD since it's really just compatibility with KDE 3
[20:09] <CIA-31> Kubuntu: * Add plasma-scriptengine-ruby as dependency of plasma-scriptengines
[20:28] <lex79> ScottK: can you retry build of kdepim and kdeutils? FTBS on amd64
[20:28] <ScottK> url?
[20:28] <lex79> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeutils/4:4.2.98-0ubuntu1/+build/1130357
[20:29] <lex79> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/4:4.2.98-0ubuntu1/+build/1130344
[20:31] <ryanakca> Mamarok: try `mv  $HOME/.kde/share/config/dolphinrc $HOME/.kde/share/config/dolphinrc-2009-07-24`, logout and in...
[20:32] <Mamarok> ok, will try now
[20:37] <Mamarok> what the... I can't logout...
[20:38] <Mamarok> what's the other on again, Ctrl+SysRq+K, right?
[20:38] <ryanakca> Mamarok: Not sure.
[20:39] <Mamarok> doesn't work neither, I will have to kill X as it seems :(
[20:39] <ryanakca> Mamarok: Do you use Qwerty or Dvorak?
[20:39] <Mamarok> nope
[20:40] <ryanakca> Mamarok: what's you're keyboard layout then? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key#Magic_commands
[20:40] <Mamarok> Swiss, QWERTZ
[20:40] <Mamarok> similar to the German one
[20:41] <Mamarok> so Ctrl+SysRq+k should work
[20:42] <Mamarok> oh, Alt instead of Ctrl, silly me!
[20:46] <ryanakca> Mamarok: any luck?
[20:47] <Mamarok> wait, I just had to reboot, X froze the computer after logout
[20:48] <Mamarok> nah, still doesn't start
[20:50] <Mamarok> brilliant, no Dolphin for me in RC3 :(
[20:50] <Mamarok> and it was laready shaky in RC2
[20:50] <Mamarok> already*
[20:50] <Mamarok> not good :(
[20:51] <Mamarok> I vaguely remember having seen a bug report about that today...
[20:53] <ryanakca> Mamarok: an arch user was having similar issues, http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=66423
[20:53] <Mamarok> and right now there seems to be another one in #kubuntu, moment...
[20:55] <Mamarok> nope, other problem
[20:56] <ryanakca> Mamarok: hmmm...openSUSE too, http://forums.opensuse.org/pre-release-beta/417666-m3-kde4-3-quite-unstable.html
[20:56] <Mamarok> right, so we will have to talk to upstream
[20:57]  * ryanakca nods
[20:57] <ryanakca> Anyways, $self->takeBusHome(), bbiab
[20:58] <Mamarok> ryanakca: cu
[21:04] <Mamarok> looks like a dbus problem
[21:18] <Mamarok> omg, now it took 5 minutes to open dolphin :(
[21:19] <neversfelde> mhh, no Problems with dolphin here
[21:19] <ScottK> Mamarok: Is it the same problems with file management using Konqueror (this will actually help narrow down the problem)
[21:57] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: http://packages.qa.debian.org/r/rsibreak/news/20090724T181719Z.html <- you can try rsibreak again.
[21:58] <Quintasan> should I report kwin's retardness as a bug?
[21:59] <mgraesslin> Quintasan: what's the problem?
[22:00] <Quintasan> mgraesslin: well, I start kde session and everthing is soooo slow. Then I start KDE/Openbox session and everything is very fast and responsive. I tried turning off effects, deleted my config but it's still slow :/
[22:01] <mgraesslin> hmm
[22:01] <mgraesslin> which driver?
[22:01] <Quintasan> radeon I'm afraid
[22:02] <Quintasan> since radeon 9550 is not supported by fglrx
[22:02] <mgraesslin> like we always say: probably driver bug
[22:02] <mgraesslin> it would have been nice if ATI had supported those cards just have a year longer
[22:04] <Quintasan> mgraesslin: hmm now that you mention it. KDE on my second computer with integrated Intel works just fine
[22:05] <mgraesslin> so you are one of the lucky guys
[22:06]  * JontheEchidna has a 5 year old i845G that works just as well as his nvidia card with linux
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> which says something about the old nvidia drivers. They're slow and have tons of tearing with desktop effects on
[22:07] <mgraesslin> it's so much luck - the setup works for one and for the other it's completely broken
[22:08] <neversfelde> uh, I have a Windows Vista here, nice
[22:08] <JontheEchidna> except that modprobe crashes during boot with my nvidia card, so I have to use the intel (which is a bit better w/ linux, honestly)
[22:08] <neversfelde> is there something similar to XP?
[22:12] <Quintasan> lol Vista
[22:13] <neversfelde> yes, you say it
[22:13] <neversfelde> and now I am going to install Service Pack 1
[22:26] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: You going to deal with rsibreak?
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: oh, yeah. I reopened the sync request linking to the qa site
[22:27] <ScottK> Great.
[22:29]  * JontheEchidna goes off to eat
[22:56] <neversfelde> ah nellery, you are the MOTU I need
[22:56] <neversfelde> :)
[22:56] <nellery> neversfelde: hi :)
[22:57] <neversfelde> do you have time to have a look at bilbo and bkodama on revu
[22:57] <neversfelde> hi :)
[22:57] <neversfelde> they need a second advocate
[22:58] <nellery> neversfelde: sure
[22:58] <neversfelde> cool
[23:07] <ScottK-desktop> neversfelde: Could you write a MIR for xz-utils?
[23:07] <ScottK-desktop> Needed for lzma support in Ark.
[23:08] <neversfelde> ScottK-desktop: never done, but why not
[23:10] <neversfelde> will last till tomorrow, but I put it on the todo
[23:10] <ScottK-desktop> neversfelde: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess
[23:13] <neversfelde> k, should be ready tomorrow evening
[23:19] <nellery> neversfelde: looking at bkodama, only thing I see is that the orig was originally packaged as a tar.bz2 on kde-look
[23:19] <nellery> it should be mentioned on the changelog that you repackaged it
[23:19] <neversfelde> nellery: I thought that is ok for karmic?
[23:20] <JontheEchidna> Finally, 0 'new' bugs for kde4libs again: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs
[23:20] <nellery> is it? Wasn't aware of that.. looks all ok otherwise
[23:20] <JontheEchidna> The page looks... beautiful ;.;
[23:20] <neversfelde> dunno, JontheEchidna do you know about it?
[23:21] <JontheEchidna> I usually don't bother. If the contents inside the tar changed I would, but since you didn't actually change the contents of the tar...
[23:21] <JontheEchidna> you're just gzipping it instead of bzip2ing it
[23:22] <neversfelde> mhh
[23:22] <JontheEchidna> or that's how I see it, anyway
[23:23] <nellery> alright, should be ok then
[23:24] <nellery> oh, and I changed the maintainer to Ubuntu Developers fyi
[23:24] <neversfelde> yep
[23:25] <neversfelde> should I ask for an SRU on the motu mailinglist?
[23:30] <nellery> neversfelde: uploaded
[23:31] <neversfelde> nellery: thx
[23:32] <neversfelde> that was bkodama?
[23:32] <nellery> Yes
[23:32] <neversfelde> are you looking at bilbo?
[23:33] <Nightrose> why is the username in the microblogging applet set to "kubuntu" by default?
[23:33] <Nightrose> that makes like no sense
[23:34] <ScottK> Because that's the user name on  the live CD?
[23:35] <Nightrose> not the live cd
[23:35] <Nightrose> on my working system
[23:35] <Nightrose> just upgraded to 4.3
[23:35] <neversfelde> Nightrose: Jaunty?
[23:36] <Nightrose> jep
[23:36] <neversfelde> Nightrose: everything ok?
[23:36] <neversfelde> except this username
[23:37] <Nightrose> yea on my main PC everything seems to be working very smoothly
[23:37] <Nightrose> and a lot faster than 4.2
[23:37] <Nightrose> but on my eeepc the upgrade broke my kopete accounts
[23:37] <Nightrose> no idea why or what is different from my main system
[23:37] <Nightrose> they both have the same accounts in kopete
[23:37] <neversfelde> ScottK-desktop: would you have a look at meta-kde, there is an updated version in ninjas
[23:38] <neversfelde> Nightrose: do you have kopete-facebook installed?
[23:38] <Nightrose> i didn't install it - so if it wasn't installed by some upgrade no
[23:39] <neversfelde> it prevents my kopete from starting
[23:39] <Nightrose> heh ok - well it starts fine and shows my contacts
[23:39] <Nightrose> just none of my accounts got migrated
[23:41] <neversfelde> that is not a problem here