[00:00] <BUGabundo> 1280x800 here that what? 16:10 »
[00:00] <BUGabundo> ?
[00:00] <BUGabundo> (12:00:19 AM) Day changed to 24 Jul 2009
[00:00] <BUGabundo> even my clock is slow
[00:00] <Shane_Fagan> Use the timeservers
[00:01] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, ya thats 16:10
[00:01] <BUGabundo> Shane_Fagan: its not a question of time
[00:01] <Shane_Fagan> ah
[00:01] <BUGabundo> its a question of pidgin it self not running on time
[00:01] <DanaG> google "javascript dpi calculator"
[00:03] <DanaG> yay, the higher DPI, the more awesome the display.  Especially in Linux.
[00:03] <DanaG> Well, except with certain closed-source software.
[00:03] <BUGabundo>  I have a 22 wide screen at work
[00:04] <BUGabundo> and a 13.3" laptop at hom
[00:04] <BUGabundo> takes me a while to get used to the lower space
[00:04] <DanaG> Nobody makes a 147 DPI desktop display.
[00:04] <DanaG> Oh, and having an LCD I can see clearly, even when outside in direct sun, is awesome.
[00:10] <nhasian> hello everyone
[00:10] <Spaghetti-code> dpi
[00:10] <Spaghetti-code> lol
[00:10] <nhasian> hello everyone
[00:10] <Spaghetti-code> dots per inch, what a obsolete measurement
[00:11] <Spaghetti-code> change to metrics like everyone on the earth USA
[00:11] <TheInfinity> Spaghetti-code: dpi is used worldwide :p
[00:11] <nhasian> i think they tried to pass that law in congress on at least two occasions
[00:11] <DanaG> yeah, US Standard sucks.
[00:12] <yofel> well ok, could somebody run s/dpi/ppi on the channel backlog? :P
[00:12] <Spaghetti-code> no infinity, you cannot longer use it in the EU
[00:12] <Spaghetti-code> you have to use dots per "metrics"
[00:12] <Spaghetti-code> if you use it, you get a fine
[00:13]  * billybigrigger reboots
[00:13] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo,  :P
[00:13] <yofel> Spaghetti-code: in *what* iso standard was that defined?
[00:13] <Spaghetti-code> in the new standard
[00:14] <yofel> Spaghetti-code: what number? (Didn't hear about that)
[00:14] <TheInfinity> Spaghetti-code: dpi is used in professionell layout / design also in europe.
[00:14] <DanaG> damnit, why does NOBODY make a high-DPI desktop display?
[00:14] <nhasian> i found the Linux Penguin on a cereal box today: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7667353
[00:14] <yofel> TheInfinity: the fact stays that we were talking about lcds where we should have used ppi instead :P
[00:15] <DanaG> If I want to match my internal LCD... I'd have to buy a SECOND laptop display... and an LCD controller.
[00:15] <Spaghetti-code> dpcm is what you have to use in the EU
[00:15] <DanaG> 700 bucks total.
[00:15] <TheInfinity> yofel: he said it in general - and thats wrong :p
[00:15] <DanaG> I saw one of them thar boxes just the other day.
[00:16] <yofel> Spaghetti-code: This still is the first time I hear that, got some source?
[00:16] <Spaghetti-code> yes
[00:17] <BUGabundo>     https://www.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/linux/2.6.31-4.20
[00:17] <BUGabundo> yay a new kernel :\\\
[00:18] <billybigrigger> damn kernel's that won't boot :P
[00:19] <DanaG> 2.6.31 kernel won't see initramfs if I boot it via UEFI.
[00:19] <Spaghetti-code> someone puti e4defrag into the kernel! its lame to compile it again just because someone thinks its unusable
[00:20] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger:     https://www.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/linux/2.6.31-4.20
[00:20] <Spaghetti-code> e2fsprogs lol
[00:21] <billybigrigger> http://www.thefrozencanuck.ca/photos/main.php?g2_itemId=15
[00:21] <billybigrigger> there's my bootcharts BUGabundo
[00:21] <Spaghetti-code> its very cold here , aprox -20°K
[00:21] <billybigrigger> sorted newest to oldest
[00:22] <yofel> Spaghetti-code: e4defrag support is in the 2.6.31 kernel, but e4defrag is only in git yet
[00:22] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, ya i've been git pull'ing from linus' source
[00:22] <billybigrigger> the kernel booted, just something wrong with nvidia drivers
[00:22] <BUGabundo> mailine kernel ppa should have a daily for karmic
[00:22] <DanaG> negative kelvin?
[00:22] <BUGabundo> ot just jaunty
[00:22] <DanaG> =þ
[00:23] <Spaghetti-code> DanaG: bose einstein condensate
[00:24] <DanaG> That's "really low", not negative.
[00:24] <Spaghetti-code> yeah, just kiddin'
[00:26] <BUGabundo> *not
[00:28] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: your server is slow :(
[00:28] <billybigrigger> your in portugal
[00:28] <billybigrigger> :P your slow haha
[00:28] <DanaG> somebody 'version' me, just for the heck of it.
[00:29] <BUGabundo> I'm on 3G so I guess you may be right
[00:29] <billybigrigger> 2mb/s download with a capped 120k/sec upload :P
[00:29] <BUGabundo> 81MiB/s
[00:29] <BUGabundo> not bad
[00:29] <BUGabundo> SATA disc?
[00:29] <DanaG> My version string is "Oooh, that thing has numbers on it!"
[00:30] <billybigrigger> yeah
[00:30] <Shane_Fagan> I hit 2200kbs a min ago
[00:30] <BUGabundo> that DHCPClient killed you
[00:30] <DanaG> Now, who here gets that reference?
[00:30] <BUGabundo> why did it take so long?
[00:30] <BUGabundo> wasn't the address in the arp pool?
[00:31]  * billybigrigger looks
[00:31] <Shane_Fagan> I wonder why the update manager doesnt measure in mb/s
[00:31] <BUGabundo> 4 secs for ined to start billybigrigger?? darn
[00:32] <BUGabundo> 17secs to gdm start, 20 to login
[00:32] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: you have the same bug as me
[00:33] <billybigrigger> ya it sucks
[00:33] <BUGabundo> gdm starts metacity and that takes *13* f***** secs to release to compiz
[00:33] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: sleep 30 is not enouth for you
[00:33] <BUGabundo> ahaha
[00:33] <BUGabundo> put 40
[00:34] <billybigrigger> feels so much faster :)
[00:34] <BUGabundo> what is bluetooh-apple?
[00:34] <billybigrigger> from $ sudo shutdown now to grub is like 30 secs, then ~25s to login, then 20s to a usable desktop
[00:34] <billybigrigger> i don't know
[00:34] <billybigrigger> i don't have any bluetooth devices
[00:35] <BUGabundo> gconf is tooooo heavy
[00:35] <BUGabundo> they need to make it faster
[00:35] <BUGabundo> its killing the disk post login :(
[00:35] <Shane_Fagan> Id love if bluetooth wasnt a dependency
[00:36] <Shane_Fagan> Like it should be installed if bluetooth is detected but not a dependency
[00:36] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: love the null applet LOLOOL
[00:36] <BUGabundo> Shane_Fagan: welcome to the Works For Everybody distro
[00:36] <BUGabundo> want light? go Debian
[00:36] <Shane_Fagan> But it wastes CPU time
[00:37] <Shane_Fagan> and isnt needed if you dont have bluetooth
[00:37] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, trying sleep 50
[00:37] <Shane_Fagan> Debian's dev release cycle is way too slow
[00:38] <billybigrigger> and rc4 kernel
[00:38] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, after a few beers and burgers :P you gonna be around in an hour or so? or is it nappy time? :)
[00:38] <BUGabundo> Shane_Fagan: use experimental or sid
[00:38] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: almost 1am
[00:39] <billybigrigger> well if i miss ya see ya tommarow :P
[00:39] <BUGabundo> been telming myself to go to bed for the last 40 min
[00:39] <billybigrigger> but its BURGER TIME!!! haha
[00:39] <Shane_Fagan> Na ill just stick with ubuntu plus im a member around here :)
[00:39] <billybigrigger> nom nom nom
[00:39] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: email me some of those burgers
[00:39] <BUGabundo> Shane_Fagan: so am I
[00:39] <BUGabundo> and a lot of this guys
[00:39] <Shane_Fagan> BUGabundo: awesome
[00:40] <Shane_Fagan> Ive been one for a month ish
[00:40] <BUGabundo> since april I think....
[00:40] <BUGabundo> but I was just to lazy to apply sooner
[00:40] <BUGabundo> I wanted to do it back in november
[00:40] <Shane_Fagan> Same here
[00:41] <BUGabundo> and then we see ppl like akgarner
[00:41] <BUGabundo> :)
[00:41] <BUGabundo> come in here and all of the sudden get member ship
[00:41] <Shane_Fagan> h
[00:41] <Shane_Fagan> ha
[00:41] <BUGabundo> while the rest of us _trolls_ require 4y of hard work
[00:42] <Shane_Fagan> Well ive only been using ubuntu for 2 years
[00:42]  * BUGabundo been using/supporting U full time since 2006
[00:42] <Shane_Fagan> the end of 07 for me
[00:43] <Shane_Fagan> I did support on launchpad for a long time though
[00:43] <Shane_Fagan> And I run the Irish translations too
[01:04]  * BUGabundo $ sle -ep; echo load /dev/urandom /dev/eyes
[01:04] <yofel> gn BUGabundo
[01:15] <xxploit> question, would someone have the link to grab the minimal install image for 9.10
[01:27] <blueyed_> xxploit: try via http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[02:09] <DanaG> No probe response from AP 00:16:01:d6:9b:a8 after 200ms, disconnecting.
[02:09] <DanaG> argh!
[02:28] <billybigrigger> DanaG, nm woes?
[02:29] <DanaG> Before, it was... but the longer break was me rebooting to try mainline kernel.
[02:29] <DanaG> It's also highly possible my AP was acting up.
[02:30] <DanaG> My EFI-based booting has broken recently...
[02:30] <DanaG> It refuses to acknowledge the presence of initramfs... and thus fails to comprehend UUIDs.
[02:33] <sp219_> hello. I'm running karmic alpha 3... I can't boot into windows. I see a menuconfig section for it in grub.cfg, but it doesn't show up in the actual grub menu.
[02:34] <sp219_> nevermind... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/grub2/+bug/402795
[02:57] <DanaG> oh yeah, what does Ubuntu add onto mainline 2.6.31-rc3?
[02:58] <billybigrigger> kernel debugging?
[02:59] <DanaG> Hmm, like what?
[03:00] <DanaG> I mean, is there any benefit to the ubuntu "[SAUCE]" ones, over the same-base-version mainline?
[03:01]  * billybigrigger is lost
[03:02] <DanaG> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=533903
[03:02] <DanaG> interesting.
[03:43] <DanaG> make: *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.3.3/include/stddef.h', needed by `grub_mkimage-util_i386_efi_grub_mkimage.o'.  Stop.
[04:02] <omegamormegil> I'm trying alpha 3 via a live USB, and can't seem to get wireless working on my Dell Mini 9 with b43-fwcutter or the STA driver.  Any suggestions?
[04:54] <VK7HSE> has anyone attempted to install karmic alpha3 in virtualbox 3.0.2 r49928 ???  both amd64 & i386 fail ???
[05:05] <VK7HSE> desktop install that is...
[05:09] <billybigrigger> where does it fail?
[05:38] <ltsmooth42> Should the new ati-driver 9.7 work in ubuntu 9.10?
[05:41] <Spaghetti-code> i have no clue
[05:42] <Spaghetti-code> i use the kernel stuff
[05:43] <DanaG> ltsmooth42: good place to check: phoronix.com forums.
[05:43] <ltsmooth42> thanks
[05:44] <DanaG> It may be a while before somebody updates the 2.6.31 patches for 9.7.
[05:45] <VK7HSE> billybigrigger: the amd64 claims that I'm not using a x86_64 (when I am!) and the i386 says that all is installed but when it restarts, it errors (virtualbox) to the point where virtualbox stops that vm... I'm currently getting the alternate amd64 & i386 to try those...
[05:47] <VK7HSE> I'm not sure if the virtualbox log would assist (if this is a bug!)
[05:50] <VK7HSE> this link is the amd64 issue ... http://files.getdropbox.com/u/927280/Karmic%20Alpha3-2009-07-24-10-29-23.log  the second one is the i386 issue ... http://files.getdropbox.com/u/927280/Karmic%20Alpha3-2009-07-24-13-41-35.log
[05:58] <VK7HSE> Hmm.. ok I've just restarted the i386 install and it's now booted and working! Gahh maybe I should try sleeping! :P
[06:08] <billybigrigger> glad i could help
[06:08] <billybigrigger> haha
[06:18] <VK7HSE> billybigrigger: but a reboot of the VM results in the same error! (just updated to current releases!) but a fresh boot of the VM if fine... so maybe it's more a virtualbox issue! ;)
[06:18] <billybigrigger> what are you running?
[06:18] <billybigrigger> what is the host os
[06:18] <virtuald> what happend to libasound_module_pcm_a52.so?
[06:19] <billybigrigger> VK7HSE, ??
[06:23] <VK7HSE> billybigrigger: ok...  let me try to explain  it a little clearer then! ... whe the i386 VM botted/loaded I then updated alpha3 to current updates (synaptic) once that was complete, I then rebooted that i386 VM ... I got the same halt issue .. /home/scott/Dropbox/Public/VBox.log.3  ...  http://files.getdropbox.com/u/927280/VBox.png.2  but after closing that VM and then restarting it it then boots as expected! :-/
[06:24] <VK7HSE> try http://files.getdropbox.com/u/927280/VBox.log.3 for that first link!
[06:26] <billybigrigger> i think i know your problem
[06:26] <billybigrigger> :P
[06:27] <billybigrigger> how long are you letting it wait to boot?
[06:27] <billybigrigger> i can almost guarantee you that ubuntu is looking for a floppy disk
[06:27] <billybigrigger> you need to blacklist your floppy module
[06:35] <billybigrigger> VK7HSE, ?
[06:36] <VK7HSE> it is!
[06:36] <VK7HSE> err... I think!
[06:36] <VK7HSE> just checking!
[06:36] <billybigrigger> let it boot
[06:36] <billybigrigger> it will take a few minutes, but it will boot
[06:37] <VK7HSE> yeh it's disabled!
[06:38] <VK7HSE> anyway I'm more concerned about the x86_64 issue!
[06:39] <billybigrigger> copy and paste this
[06:39] <billybigrigger> $ uname -a
[06:40] <billybigrigger> and if your trying to install a 64bit ubuntu image, and your vm is not set for 64bit it might not work
[06:40] <billybigrigger> you have to tell virtualbox your installing ubuntu 64bit
[06:41] <billybigrigger> and your i386 image installs fine because you've told vbox its a 32bit image...
[06:41] <VK7HSE> ok... shall try a little later... ;)
[06:41] <billybigrigger> hold up
[06:42] <billybigrigger> http://imagebin.ca/view/XfsgHD.html
[06:42] <billybigrigger> VK7HSE, does your vbox look like that? do you see that little "64" in the corner of the ubuntu icon?
[06:43] <billybigrigger> in your settings you can switch between 32/64, no need to re-install
[06:43] <VK7HSE> well it didn't ... so there's my problem !!! I selected the wrong profile !!
[06:43] <billybigrigger> yeah
[06:43] <VK7HSE> ;)
[06:44] <billybigrigger> don't delete it though, you can change the settings without re-installing
[06:44] <VK7HSE> thanks ... (I'm a true professional IDIOT!)
[06:44] <billybigrigger> so does it boot?
[06:45] <VK7HSE> just starting now...
[06:46] <VK7HSE> \o/ !!!
[06:46] <VK7HSE> that's a yes!
[06:49] <billybigrigger> :P
[06:49] <billybigrigger> right on
[06:49] <billybigrigger> have fun
[06:50] <VK7HSE> cool! thanks for the tip! ... a classic RTFM moment! ;)
[06:51] <billybigrigger> its all good
[07:08] <richardcavell> Can anyone tell me about the support for Intel GMA950 chipset in Karmic?  Is it improved over Jaunty?
[07:24] <Spaghetti-code> how can i smoke a bong?
[07:33] <Tekno> morning
[10:14] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi, do you know why in firefox with the dust-sand theme the url bar has incorrect highlighting?
[10:14] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it seems the selection background is white
[10:14] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but only in firefox
[10:20] <ikonia> Le-Chuck_ITA: speak to the guy who made the theme ?
[10:20] <ikonia> Le-Chuck_ITA: I didn't think the themes where provided by ubuntu
[10:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ikonia: no it's just in firefox
[10:20] <rob__> hello
 ok well when i boot LINUX KARMIC latest kernel, it looks like it will boot fine, and then firstly it says "NVIDIA (96.43.10) FAIL"      Then when it rund through that it says ASSUMING DRIVE CACH: WRITE THROUGH,    it says this twice and then o the second just freezes and wont boot
[10:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I think it's a new theme in karmic ikonia
[10:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I didn't install that separately as far as I remember but maybe
[10:21] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but the problem is only in firefox
[10:21] <ikonia> Le-Chuck_ITA: I'd double check it, but if not log it as a bug
[10:21] <ikonia> rob__: which kernel
[10:21] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ikonia: a bug in firefox anyways but how can I know if it's installed by default? I need to know if... the intersection between the transitive closure of reverse depends and the packages installed by default is non-empty! :)
[10:22] <rob__> latest one?
[10:22] <Le-Chuck_ITA> no easier
[10:22] <Le-Chuck_ITA>  I just need to know if it's installed by default
[10:22] <Le-Chuck_ITA> is there a list somewhere
[10:22] <ikonia> rob__: which one
[10:22] <rob__> i dont know to be hnest
[10:23] <ikonia> rob__: then you can't report an error
[10:23] <ikonia> rob__: you need to get details
[10:23] <rob__> this happened after i set the nvidia driver to 96 and turned compiz off
[10:23] <ikonia> rob__: the initial error suggests the nvidia module is not compatible with the kernel
[10:23] <ikonia> rob__: where did you get the nvidia module ?
[10:23] <rob__> well it worked fine before i did that ^^^
[10:24] <ikonia> rob__: where did you get the nvidia module ?
[10:24] <rob__> usual default nvidia drivers from linux add ons packages
[10:24] <rob__> i was using117 but someone told me to use the earlier 96 one
[10:25] <ikonia> rob__: well that messages suggests that module can't be loaded, but I'd be surprised if thast caused the machie to hang
[10:25] <rob__> so ....
[10:25] <ikonia> so ?
[10:25] <rob__> what should i do?
[10:25] <ikonia> find out what kernel you're runnining for starters
[10:25] <rob__> ok stay online please!!
[10:30] <rob__> ikonia?
[10:30] <rob__> ikonia?
[10:30] <ikonia> yes
[10:31] <rob__> 2.6.31-3
[10:31] <ikonia> rob__: so search the launchad bug page at a high level to check for any known bugs
[10:31] <yofel> maybe the nvidia-96 driver needs the same 2.6.31 patches like n-180?
[10:31] <ikonia> rob__: then boot into single usermode - if possible, and disable the nvidia driver
[10:31] <ikonia> rob__: failing that boot from a livecd, mount your 9.10 install and disable the nvidia driver
[10:32] <ikonia> rob__: then test your 9.10 install again
[10:32] <rob__> so what can i do? just give me an easy solutino
[10:32] <ikonia> rob__: I've just given you 3 steps
[10:32] <rob__> i dont want a fesh install
[10:32] <ikonia> no-one said a fresh install
[10:32] <ikonia> re-read what I typed
[10:33] <rob__> ok il try that
[10:33] <rob__> bye
[10:33] <rob__> for now....
[10:48] <zniavre_> nvidia made a driver for legacy card 173.14.20 maybe they made for older card too
[10:50] <rob__> ikonia
[10:50] <ikonia> yes ?
[10:50] <rob__> no worky
[10:50] <rob__> i logged into a single user session
[10:50] <ikonia> what doesn't ?
[10:50] <rob__> mounted the drive
[10:50] <rob__> changed back to the latest drivers
[10:51] <rob__> and it still hangs on assuming drive cache : write through
[10:51] <rob__> just stops
[10:51] <ikonia> I suggest disabling nvidia totally
[10:51] <rob__> i dont think its to do with nvidia why it wont bot
[10:51] <rob__> boot*
[10:51] <ikonia> ok then I'm done helping
[10:51] <rob__> sorry?
[10:51] <rob__> no i do need your help badly
[10:52] <rob__> it always said nvidia fail before but still booted
[10:52] <rob__> please please i need it running
[10:53] <zniavre_> you can't run 173.14 drivers?
[10:53] <zniavre_> nvidia made a new one updated for recent kernel
[10:53] <rob__> 180?
[10:54] <zniavre_> no 173 for legacy card
[10:54] <rob__> I ONT KNOW I NEED HELPP
[10:54] <rob__> assuming drive chache: write through??? and then stops
[10:54] <ikonia> rob__: why are you running the development/unstable version of an OS if you need it so bad ?
[10:54] <zniavre_> wich card ?
[10:54] <ikonia> why are you not running a stable oS ?
[10:55] <rob__> i dont know
[10:55] <ikonia> rob__: right - so use a stable OS
[10:55] <rob__> look im fairly new to linux ok
[10:55] <ikonia> rob__: so use a stable OS
[10:55] <ikonia> install 9.04 and upgrade if/when 9.10 is stable
[10:55] <rob__> im just trying my best, and all love all apects of the os
[10:55] <ikonia> then use a stable OS
[10:55] <ikonia> learning on a developmetn OS is not a good idea, especially if it's something you need to be working more than not
[10:55] <rob__> how can i downgrade without frsh install?
[10:55] <ikonia> do a fresh install of 9.04
[10:56] <ikonia> you can't downgrade
[10:56] <Tekno> just save your /home
[10:56] <rob__> I CANT LOSE EVERYTHING THOUGH
[10:56] <ikonia> don't use caps please
[10:56] <rob__> sorrry
[10:56] <zniavre_> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_96.43.13.html
[10:56] <ikonia> rob__: you need to boot a livecd - mount /home and back it up
[10:56] <ikonia> rob__: or backup the data you want to keep - where ever it is
[10:56] <zniavre_> thjis one can compile on recent kernel 2.6.30 / 31
[10:56] <rob__> i dont have any backup storage
[10:56] <rob__> :(
[10:56] <ikonia> rob__: use a CD/DVD
[10:57] <zniavre_> living on the edge ?
[10:58] <rob__> zniavre... can you open that driver from boot?
[10:58] <ikonia> rob__: stop using the development version
[10:58] <ikonia> rob__: read the topic
[10:58] <ikonia> quote "Karmic is  NOT RELEASED and may break your system
[10:58] <ikonia> "
[10:59] <rob__> well ubuntu allowed me to uograde to it so i did
[10:59] <ikonia> rob__: the sooner you start using a stable system the better
[10:59] <ikonia> rob__: ubuntu did not offer an upgrade to 9.10 - you must have gone looking for it
[10:59] <rob__> no i really didint
[10:59] <rob__> opened update maager and there it was
[11:00] <rob__> im not joking
[11:00] <ikonia> rob__: you must have as 9.10 is not offered to 9.04 installs without you enabling development releases
[11:00] <zniavre_> rob__,  you should find an how to in your language to know how to install  nvidia.run it's quite easy if you faollow step by step process
[11:00] <ikonia> rob__: either way - you need to re-install 9.04 and use a stable OS
[11:01] <zniavre_> :o(
[11:01] <zniavre_> no backup ...
[11:20] <om26er> plz tell me what is the respository of karmic
[11:20] <om26er> e.g. deb http:///launch
[11:25] <om26er> can i partially update jaunty with the updates of karmic???
[11:25] <SwedeMike> why would you want to do that?
[11:26] <om26er> i want softwares to be updated
[11:28] <yofel> om26er: you don't want to add the karmic sources to your software sources, you'll either get karmic or break your system by doing that
[11:28] <maxb> You can't mix and match with later distroseries
[11:28] <yofel> om26er: you can get specific ones from packages.ubuntu.com instead
[11:28] <om26er> what will happen if i add karmic respository in jaunty
[11:29] <om26er> ?
[11:29] <yofel> om26er: you'll probably get karmic
[11:29] <yofel> since all packages will be updated
[11:29] <om26er> can u give me that respo?
[11:30] <maxb> You'll either end up with a poorly managed complete upgrade to karmic, or a horrendous mismatch which NO ONE will want to help you with
[11:30] <yofel> om26er: are you sure you want to break your system?
[11:30] <om26er> np
[11:30] <yofel> then get the package you want from packages.ubuntu.com instead
[11:30] <maxb> om26er: I could, but I don't think I would be acting responsibly or in your best interests if I did.
[11:31] <om26er> ok then i try packages.ubuntu.com
[12:04] <Guest6103> Hi everyone. It's richardcavell here. I have a Macbook with Intel GMA 950.  I installed all the packages from xorg-edgers, as well as Linux 2.6.30.  Now X won't boot.  I can sometimes hear the startup sound, and I usually get a mouse pointer, but otherwise a black screen.  Any ideas?
[12:06] <rsk> Guest6103: are you using karmic?
[12:07] <Guest6103> rsk: No, I'm using Jaunty. But in order to upgrade my drivers I upgraded my Linux kernel (that seems to have worked okay), and I also upgraded all my video drivers to the edgy versions.
[12:07] <rsk> right then > #ubuntu
[12:08] <Guest6103> rsk: Okay
[12:08] <Guest6103> where did ubuntu-x go?
[12:08] <rsk> no idea, never been there
[12:11] <Guest6103> it might only exist periodically when they conference
[12:26] <oli_> Has the shortcut for the run dialogue and menu (alt+F2 and alt+F1 respectively) changed or broken? They're not firing for me at all.
[12:47] <Almindor> anyone knows where the removable media volume mount options are stored?
[13:03] <cortex_sk> Almindor: i think it depends on your desktop environment
[13:09] <Almindor> found it via gconf-edit
[13:10] <Almindor> just note, I hope you can change them via the volume options on unmounted volumes in the future too (it's kind critical people don't get locked out of their drives)
[14:02] <aubre> karmic a3 worked great for me , even setup my Creative Labs X-Fi card perfectly!
[14:44] <tux_> anyone running alpha3, whats it like?
[14:45] <gnomefreak> tux_: its like a2
[14:45] <tux_> i never tried it
[14:45] <tux_> is bash 2 faster?
[14:46] <tux_> sorry grub 2
[14:46] <tux_> doh
[14:46] <gnomefreak> tux_: other than newer packages and breakage there is nothing that you might notice other than boot time is faster
[14:46] <gnomefreak> grub was never slow
[14:46] <Fluffles> Why was totem-xine removed from karmic?
[14:46]  * gnomefreak not sure how grub could be fast/slow
[14:46] <tux_> i tried empathy before and found it quite bland, have they changed it in anyway
[14:46] <tux_> pidgin seems polished compared with it :/
[14:47] <tux_> oh hey added banshee didn't they
[14:47] <gnomefreak> Fluffles: it wasnt
[14:47] <tux_> glad they got rid of rhythmbox, never liked it
[14:47] <gnomefreak> !info totem-xine karmic
[14:47] <Fluffles> gnomefreak, it was. The totem-xine package is now just an empty transitional package.
[14:47] <gnomefreak> Fluffles: thats not being removed
[14:48] <tux_> are noticeable different using ext4?
[14:48] <tux_> s/are/any
[14:48] <gnomefreak> it is now in the package totem
[14:48] <Fluffles> Ok, lets rephrase, why was the xine-lib backend removed from totem?
[14:48] <gnomefreak> Fluffles: apt-cache show totem-xine   look at the depends
[14:49] <gnomefreak> Fluffles: now that is a good question
[14:49] <gnomefreak> Provides: totem-gstreamer, totem-xine
[14:49] <gnomefreak> Fluffles: it wasnt totem provides both of those now
[14:51] <gnomefreak> looks like they made totem a meta package with both gstreamer and xine
[14:52] <Fluffles> gnomefreak, ok it says it provides them, But the xine-lib backend is still non existant.
[14:52] <Fluffles> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/2.27.1-1ubuntu1/+changes <-- It says there that it was removed. Just doesn't say why.
[14:53] <gnomefreak> Fluffles: replaced by another package i would guess
[14:53] <gnomefreak> looking
[14:53] <gnomefreak> daz:depending on your problem if noone can help you here file a bug on compiz
[14:54] <gnomefreak> Fluffles: upstream changes here is the bug report Provides: totem-gstreamer, totem-xine
[14:54] <Fluffles> gnomefreak, copy and paste failed? heh
[14:54] <daz> gnomefreak: I found a similar bug on lp (LP: 391461), just not sure if it _is_ a compiz issue or an issue with the driver
[14:55] <gnomefreak> Fluffles: bug 373540
[14:55] <daz> gnomefreak: when you enable compiz, the draw performance is terrible - and the system unusable
[14:55] <gnomefreak> i see that now sorry
[14:55] <BluesKaj> hmm, got 72 updates coming down the pipe...hope everything holds together :)
[14:55] <gnomefreak> daz: could be video drivers
[14:55] <daz> gnomefreak: running atm with the module loaded fine but compiz off
[14:55] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: it should at least main gnome parts
[14:55] <Fluffles> gnomefreak, Ah i see, thanks.
[14:56] <BluesKaj> not much gnome on my setup, gnomefreak ..lots of k-stuff tho
[14:56] <daz> gnomefreak: any tips on how I can help narrow down the culprit, or best to leave it filed against compiz for now? bug 391461
[14:56] <gnomefreak> Fluffles: for more info you would have to check with upstream changelog
[14:56] <gnomefreak> daz: looking
[14:58] <gnomefreak> daz: more than likely its nvidia drivers but leave it as compiz i dont have alot of time to look at logs today. its my last day here for a week or so, im trying to get caught up  :)
[14:59] <daz> gnomefreak: ok, thanks for taking a look :)
[14:59] <gnomefreak> drs305: do your updates today no compiz updates for a while now though
[14:59] <gnomefreak> same with the 180 drivers
[15:15] <natewiebe13> where should i go to request a package to be put in the repos?
[15:15] <natewiebe13> is it possible?
[15:15] <Pici> !newpackage
[15:17] <natewiebe13> ubottu: it isnt something i made.. it would just be nice to add winetricks into the repos.. lots of people use it, and it would be nice to make it a recommended package for wine
[15:17] <natewiebe13> haha
[15:17] <natewiebe13> Pici: it isnt something i made.. it would just be nice to add winetricks into the repos.. lots of people use it, and it would be nice to make it a recommended package for wine
[15:18] <natewiebe13> Pici: whats your opinion on that?
[15:18] <Pici> natewiebe13: The second link there describes the process for requesting that a package be added to the repositories
[15:19] <Pici> natewiebe13: bug 379742
[15:26] <daz> gnomefreak: just spoke to someone on the forum with the same graphics card as me with the same problem, so I think you're right about the driver being at fault. what package should I mark the bug as, nvidia-graphics-drivers?
[15:29] <BluesKaj> daz, which nvidia card ?
[15:29] <daz> product: G72M [GeForce Go 7400]
[15:30] <daz> Quadro something or other
[15:30] <daz> Dell D820
[15:31] <daz> BluesKaj: that was @ you, whoops :)
[15:32] <BluesKaj> daz, the nvidia-gkx-180 driver should support that card , I'm assuming you have that driver installed ?
[15:33] <BluesKaj> correction : nvidia-glx-180
[15:33] <daz> BluesKaj: certainly do: Installed: 185.18.14-0ubuntu3
[15:33] <gnomefreak> daz: BluesKaj has the right package.
[15:34] <daz> gnomefreak: ok, I'll file against that. should I tag it as a regression? was working fine in Jaunty
[15:38] <Laibsch> I have a package that is in the Debian NEW queue.  I expect it to clear in about six weeks.  Is that going to be tight for inclusion to Karmic?  Should I rather not wait and apply for inclusion in Karmic straight away?
[15:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> daz regression-potential
[15:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> that's the tag for now
[15:47] <daz> Le-Chuck_ITA: thanks :)
[15:48] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I keep forgetting the name of the ubuntu xorg channel, anyone?
[15:49] <yofel> Le-Chuck_ITA: #ubuntu-x
[15:49] <Pici> #ubuntu-x
[15:49] <Le-Chuck_ITA> so easy to type, so easy to forget :) thanks
[16:44] <eagles0513875> hey guys
[16:44] <eagles0513875> the command to upgrade from jaunty to karmic is update-manager-kde -d
[16:44] <eagles0513875> or update-manager -d
[16:45] <eagles0513875> answered my own question
[16:47] <BluesKaj> dist-upgrade
[16:48] <Pici> BluesKaj: no... that won't upgrade between releases.
[16:49] <BluesKaj> odd, that's the command I used
[16:49] <BluesKaj> sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[16:50] <EagleScreen> i think it is update-notifier-kde -d
[16:51] <eagles0513875> i used update-notifier -d after pressing alt+f2 and its upgrading
[16:52] <eagles0513875> its using the gnome update manager though which i find interesting
[16:52] <EagleScreen> it shouldn't use the gnome update manager
[16:52] <BluesKaj> of course iI upgraded the sources.list first
[16:53] <eagles0513875> what command should i have used
[16:53] <eagles0513875> i used update-manager-kde -d and it wasnt working for me
[16:54] <BluesKaj> dunno if it's amatter of which is correct , they prolly all are ,it's just the vehicle you use to get there
[16:54] <EagleScreen> eagles0513875: use: kdesudo update-notifier-kde -d
[16:54] <eagles0513875> true BluesKaj
[16:54] <BluesKaj> that's graphical
[16:54] <BluesKaj> kdesudo
[16:55] <Pici> BluesKaj: touching the sources.list and doing dist-upgrade can cause issues.  There are often extra steps that the update-manager does when it does a release upgarde.
[16:55] <eagles0513875> EagleScreen: just need to hit alt+f2 to open up the lil run like box and type in the command there no need for sudo or kdesudo or anything
[16:55] <eagles0513875> how come for instance update-manager-kde isnt installed outa the box
[16:57] <BluesKaj> Pici, i made sure i did an update and upgrade , then an autoclean before editing the sources.list ...it worked quite cleanly for me and I've used that method for the last 4 releases
[16:58] <eagles0513875> the update-manager-kde -d isnt working for me
[16:58] <EagleScreen> it is update-notifier-kde -d
[16:59] <EagleScreen> update-notifier launchs later update-manager-kde
[16:59] <eagles0513875> i was typing that and nothing happened
[17:02] <EagleScreen> eagles0513875: are you in jaunty?
[17:02] <eagles0513875> ya i am on a virtual machine
[17:03] <EagleScreen> eagles0513875: be sure you have installed update-notifier-kde and update-manager-kde
[17:04] <eagles0513875> says there are no installation candidates
[17:04] <bmunger> suspend stopped working after update with ati open source drivers
[17:06] <EagleScreen> eagles0513875: if cannot use update-notifier/manager to upgrade for any reason, use aptitude at the Debian way
[17:06] <eagles0513875> what is the debian way if you dont mind me asking
[17:06] <bmunger> aptitude seems safer at doing everything
[17:06] <eagles0513875> well i havent had issues the non debian way though upgrading
[17:10] <EagleScreen> eagles0513875: set your repositories pointing to karmic, and later update packages
[17:10] <Spaghetti-code> i smell its stable
[17:10] <Spaghetti-code> i need another login screen
[17:10] <eagles0513875> isnt that risky to do though
[17:11] <Spaghetti-code> i want a pop up box with the same theme i've using on the machine
[17:11] <EagleScreen> it is better doing the upgrade in some parts, first upgrading the kernel, the xorg, aptitude and reboot, and later running $ sudo aptitude full-upgrade, and later $sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[17:11] <Spaghetti-code> so there must be a way to define it in the appearance of gnome
[17:12] <eagles0513875> im gonna reinstall teh vm its no big didnt have anything installed on it anyway
[17:23] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, why a vm ?
[17:23] <eagles0513875> im on my laptop
[17:23] <eagles0513875> have karmic on my desktop upstairs
[17:25] <BluesKaj> I found that wubi is better for a laptop with vista due to the bootloader probs one has with that version of windows
[17:28] <BluesKaj> the bootloader / grub can be installed but it involves fooling with the BCD editor ,  http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/networking/?p=1709&tag=nl.e064
[17:29] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: this is mac
[17:29] <BluesKaj> then what about parallels ?
[17:31] <SeveredCross> I could boot Win7 fine via GRUB.
[17:31] <SeveredCross> So I'm not sure what the problem is.
[17:31] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: would need to purchase it
[17:33] <BluesKaj> SeveredCross, I'm dual booting W7 and kubuntu , but I just edited grub to tget W7 access ,since kubuntu was already installed
[17:35] <BluesKaj> but installing kubuntu on a vista/W7 pc is more difficult due to the BCD setup om windows
[17:35] <BluesKaj> om=on
[17:38] <yofel> bneff: welcome :)
[17:39] <bneff> I'm trying to install Karmic Alpha 3, but having issues with the installer
[17:39] <bneff> after starting Ubiquity the screen starts doing some strange vertical lines
[17:39] <bneff> found a safe graphics option, but still happens
[17:50] <robert__> I'm having a problem with karmic and my sound. I hear it only cracking. it worked fine with jaunty. I've a 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[17:50] <robert__> something known in this area? found nothing on google
[18:02] <veck> HOW DO i CHANGE THE IMAGE OF A DESKTOP ICON?
[18:02] <veck> sry for caps
[18:05] <BluesKaj> veck, right click on the icon, choose icon settings, click the icon in the dialog box , then you have a choice of system icons or other , with a drop down box beside it of icon sources , then scroll to find wgat you want
[18:05] <BluesKaj> wgat=what
[18:05] <veck> BluesKaj: ty
[18:06] <BluesKaj> !intelhd | robert__
[18:07] <BluesKaj> !intel
[18:07] <BluesKaj> !intel-audio
[18:07] <BluesKaj> !intelhda
[18:08] <BluesKaj> robert__, do you see the above ?
[18:13] <robert__> re
[18:13] <robert__> sorry was away
[18:13] <robert__> will look into it, but it worked with jaunty
[18:14] <robert__> cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#* | grep Codec
[18:14] <robert__> Codec: IDT 92HD71B7X
[18:14] <robert__> Codec: Intel G45 DEVCTG
[18:19] <DanaG> what the heck kind of name is this?  "palimpsest"
[18:19] <DanaG> pa...limp....sest?
[18:20] <DanaG> How about "gnome-disk-utility"?  Is that name not good enough?  =þ
[18:22] <hggdh> well, there is palimpset, a piece of paper (or whatever) that has been erased and written over again
[18:22] <robert__> BluesKaj: the problem is that I hear sound, but its just cracks, but the occure only when "real" sound should occure
[18:22] <hggdh> darnit. palimpsest
[18:23] <BluesKaj> robert__, maybe you have your card set to digital out instead of analog
[18:25] <DPic> is karmic going to include firefox 3.5?
[18:26] <arand> DPic: that's the plan afaik
[18:26] <DPic> arand, any idea when that's happening?
[18:26] <DPic> i was surprised to find it's not in alpha 3
[18:26] <DPic> was something holding it back?
[18:28] <ruslanr> DPic: I heard, that FF 3.5 will appear in beta
[18:28] <DPic> ruslanr, weird, why so late?
[18:28] <ruslanr> don't know
[18:28] <DPic> hmm
[18:28] <DPic> oh, and does anybody know of a bug where karmic can't boot up while an ipod is plugged in?
[18:29] <yofel> DPic: firefox-3.5 is already included, it's just not the default
[18:29] <ruslanr> DPic: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-firefox-3.5
[18:29] <DPic> yofel, any idea why it isn't yet?
[18:29] <DPic> ruslanr, thanks
[18:31] <robert__> BluesKaj: didn't find any settings in alsamixer that helpt
[18:31] <robert__> helped
[18:32] <DPic> karmic also can't seem to detect the permissions of my external HDD, and it mounts to some crazy location which i cannot edit
[18:32] <DPic> usually it just mounts as /media/disk and i set it to mount as /media/storage, but now it's mounting as 28e491bb-9fd3-4267-b331-46c1ffff9357
[18:32] <BluesKaj> robert__, system settings/multimeddia/music/output device preference , then check your choice with the test tab
[18:34] <blk> i'm running karmic and when enabling compiz via preferences / appearance it enables them, then disables them again and posts an error message saying it failed.. by console however compiz --replace works just fine.. running a GM45 with KMS enabled
[18:34] <BluesKaj> DPic, how is your device listed in dolphin /properties?
[18:35] <DPic> BluesKaj, dolphin?
[18:35] <BluesKaj> err nautilus
[18:35] <ruslanr> blk: I've got this error sometimes too
[18:35] <natewiebe13> anyone know why the new mixer applet is controlling pcm and not volume?
[18:35] <natewiebe13> *master
[18:35] <SeveredCross> natewiebe13: Check your GNOME soud properties.
[18:35] <SeveredCross> Though TBH, I'm not a big fan of the new mixer applet.
[18:35] <DPic> BluesKaj, what do you mean how is it listed?
[18:36] <blk> ruslanr, i've got it continuously since quite the beginning of karmic branch.. usually i don't bother running compiz but it's a nice eye catcher ;)
[18:36] <BluesKaj> nm DPic , I'll leave this to the gnome users here
[18:37] <blk> ruslanr, also on intel GPU with KMS? (i don't think it's KMS, i've had it before)
[18:37] <natewiebe13> SeveredCross: what do you mean.. right click and press sound preferences?
[18:37] <ruslanr> blk: nope, nvidia 8600gt
[18:38] <DPic> BluesKaj, haha ok
[18:38] <blk> ruslanr, ok.. must be software then :)
[18:38] <natewiebe13> SeveredCross: there is no option to change what it controls.. i know its controling pcm because i checked in alsamixer
[18:38] <SeveredCross> natewiebe13: No, System->Preferences->Sound.
[18:38] <natewiebe13> SeveredCross: its the exact same thing
[18:38] <SeveredCross> Weird.
[18:38] <SeveredCross> Must've changed recently.
[18:38] <natewiebe13> yeah
[18:39] <ruslanr> blk: I experience this thing from Intrepid :)
[18:39] <natewiebe13> i remember the option
[18:39] <SeveredCross> Mine must have leftover settings from Jaunty.
[18:39] <natewiebe13> maybe
[18:39] <SeveredCross> I think they changed it to comply with PulseAudio's flat volumes garbage, which is horribly broken.
[18:39] <ruslanr> blk: I mean, when I can't return compiz back :)
[18:39] <natewiebe13> i did a fresh install from a daily build about 2 weeks ago
[18:39] <SeveredCross> I can't stand PulseAudio
[18:39] <BluesKaj> DPic, there must be a listing of connected devices , then look at properties to see how the device is named and then make sure it's in your fstab
[18:39] <natewiebe13> same
[18:39] <SeveredCross> It doesn't support my audio hardware correctly, it breaks volumes all the time, etc.
[18:39] <natewiebe13> i prefer the way it was set up with jaunty
[18:39] <robert__> it works with mplayer, just not with pulse audio
[18:39] <SeveredCross> Yeah, the Jaunty set up was nice.
[18:39] <natewiebe13> mine works fine except how it controls pcm
[18:40] <natewiebe13> but i do like how you can change volume from each app
[18:40] <SeveredCross> I have a laptop with 2.1 channels, and there is *no* way to fix that.
[18:40] <SeveredCross> Literally, I hacked away at the pulseaudio config files for 2-3 hours once, could not get it to see my audio as 2.1 channels.
[18:40] <SeveredCross> The LFE channel *gets* output, but PulseAudio doesn't know about it, which makes volume control all broken.
[18:41] <DPic> BluesKaj, by named, do oyu mean like dev/sdb1?
[18:41] <BluesKaj> DPic, yes
[18:41] <DPic> BluesKaj, and how do i see if it's in my fstab?
[18:42] <natewiebe13> thats why im not running karmic at home.. i have creative x-fi
[18:42] <natewiebe13> they have their own drivers.. so im waiting until the final release
[18:43] <ruslanr> will those drivers appear in 2.6.31?
[18:44] <natewiebe13> SeveredCross: yesterday the volume control on my keyboard was controlling the master levels, and the applet was controlling pcm.. now they both control pcm
[18:44] <henux> what great things is the Ubuntu 9.10 supposed to bring?
[18:44] <natewiebe13> they are messed
[18:44] <yofel> henux: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha3
[18:44] <cortex_sk> hi guys are there any known problems in karmic with nvidia proprietary driver & kde4.3rc3?
[18:44] <natewiebe13> henux: new gdm/login/boot experience, ubuntuone (great feature)
[18:44] <BluesKaj> DPic, alt+f2 , gksudo gedit /etc/fstab
[18:45] <natewiebe13> cortex_sk: im using nvidia 190.18 and they work great
[18:45] <henux> what is the ubuntuone?
[18:45] <ruslanr> henux: https://ubuntuone.com/
[18:45] <natewiebe13> ubuntuone is a service that you can sync your files on as many computers as you want and share with other people
[18:45] <DPic> BluesKaj, ok, it's not there
[18:45] <cortex_sk> natewiebe13: thank you
[18:46] <natewiebe13> cortex_sk: i got them from the karmic testing ppa
[18:46] <BluesKaj> DPic, does gnome have a device notifier ?
[18:46] <DPic> BluesKaj, but it won't always be /dev/sdb1 because it's usb. I'd have to identify it by the UUId, right?
[18:47] <DPic> BluesKaj, not sure, what does a device notifier notify me of?
[18:47] <BluesKaj> when you plug stuff like a USB device in
[18:48] <natewiebe13> cortex_sk: im actually using 190.09 sorry
[18:48] <DPic> nope, nautilus just opens up
[18:48] <natewiebe13> cortex_sk: the new one is broken.. here is the ppa https://launchpad.net/~thefirstm/+archive/karmic-testing
[18:48] <natewiebe13> cortex_sk: 190.09 works great though
[18:50] <MindVirus> Is Karmic stable enough for any usage at all?
[18:50] <natewiebe13> cortex_sk: i dont know if 190.18 breaks on karmic, but it sure did on jaunty
[18:50] <natewiebe13> MindVirus: id say so
[18:50] <natewiebe13> i use it for work
[18:50] <MindVirus> What kind of usage?
[18:50] <cortex_sk> natewiebe13: i will try them, thanks again
[18:51] <natewiebe13> website editing, graphic design (inkscape/gimp), music, webbrowsing, ftp transfers, wine (dreamweaver cs4), pidgin (msn/irc), folder sync (ubuntuone)
[18:51] <natewiebe13> everything has worked fine so far
[18:51] <DPic> BluesKaj, no, nautilus just opens to the location
[18:52] <DPic> BluesKaj, unless it's not a storage drive like a camera in which case it will ask you what to do
[18:52] <natewiebe13> MindVirus: only complaint is that the volume controls the pcm and not master, so to control master, you have to use alsamixer in terminal
[18:52] <MindVirus> That's interesting.
[18:53] <natewiebe13> yeah
[18:53] <MindVirus> Are you running typical hardware?
[18:54] <MindVirus> BRB, please respond when I get back.
[18:54] <natewiebe13> MindVirus: core 2 duo e5200, 2gb ram, 500gb seagate hd, lg burner, wireless n pci card, nvidia geforce 6200 (crap card, i have nvidia 285 at home), and cmi 5.1 card
[18:54] <natewiebe13> MindVirus: core 2 duo e5200, 2gb ram, 500gb seagate hd, lg burner, wireless n pci card, nvidia geforce 6200 (crap card, i have nvidia 285 at home), and cmi 5.1 card
[18:55] <MindVirus> Are you using 64-bit?
[18:55] <natewiebe13> 32
[18:55] <MindVirus> OK, that makes more sense.
[18:55] <natewiebe13> 64 always seems to be missing compatibility
[18:55] <natewiebe13> both linux and windows
[18:55] <MindVirus> yes.
[18:55] <MindVirus> I'm running 64-bit.
[18:55] <BluesKaj> DPic, your ipod doesn't show up as an audio device just as an unknown drive ?
[18:56] <DPic> BluesKaj, my ipod? i'm talking about my external HDD
[18:57] <fvmt> Hi, does anybody have any expirience using blueman in 9.10?
[18:57] <BluesKaj> DPic, oops sorry , wrong person :P
[18:57] <DPic> BluesKaj, haha no problem
[18:57] <fvmt> I'm not able to use gprs and appreciate any possible help
[18:57] <BluesKaj> wrong chat too :)
[19:00] <BluesKaj> DPic, what happens if you wait til your machine is booted, then plug in the drive ?
[19:00] <natewiebe13> MindVirus: thinking of using 9.10?
[19:00] <MindVirus> I know I'm going to.
[19:00] <MindVirus> Eventually.
[19:01] <natewiebe13> MindVirus: usually things calm down alpha 5
[19:01] <MindVirus> That sounds fair.
[19:01] <natewiebe13> usually nvidia/compiz breaks between 4 and 5
[19:01] <natewiebe13> haha
[19:01] <MindVirus> So you're used to this.
[19:01] <natewiebe13> started with 7.04
[19:01] <MindVirus> Do you spend more time in alpha than you do in final release?
[19:02] <natewiebe13> yeah
[19:02] <natewiebe13> haha
[19:02] <natewiebe13> as soon as the first live cd comes out
[19:02] <DPic> BluesKaj, i'll try that
[19:02] <DPic> brb
[19:06] <DPic> BluesKaj, same thing
[19:07] <DPic> for some reason, my drives are mounting as the name of the drive (the UUID) instead of /media/disk, /media/disk-1, etc
[19:07] <DPic> my removable drives*
[19:07] <natewiebe13> MindVirus: connection problems?
[19:07] <MindVirus> Not even.
[19:07] <MindVirus> Pidgin problems.
[19:07] <natewiebe13> 9.04?
[19:07] <ripps> Hmm... I just noticed that my volume mutes at 50% now. That's kinda weird
[19:07] <natewiebe13> MindVirus: what version of pidgin and version of ubuntu?
[19:08] <MindVirus> 9.04, 2.5.5.
[19:08] <MindVirus> Sorry.
[19:08] <MindVirus> .8.
[19:08] <MindVirus> I'm using Pidgin's PPAs.
[19:08] <natewiebe13> okay..same
[19:08] <natewiebe13> i have no problems
[19:08] <MindVirus> I am rearranging the contacts in my buddy list.
[19:08] <MindVirus> And it crashes.
[19:08] <natewiebe13> okay
[19:09] <MindVirus> When I do maybe 5 or 6.
[19:09] <natewiebe13> that explains it
[19:09] <natewiebe13> haha
[19:09] <natewiebe13> what protocall?
[19:09] <MindVirus> Doesn't matter.
[19:09] <ruslanr> hm, Empathy doesn't support IRC?
[19:09] <MindVirus> I did IRC, then Facebook.
[19:09] <natewiebe13> that sucks
[19:09] <DPic> ruslanr, it does, but oyu need to install the IRC telepathy thing
[19:09] <DPic> they left it out because it doesn't work very well right now
[19:09] <MindVirus> natewiebe13: yeah, but that's what #pidgin's for.
[19:10] <ruslanr> DPic: ok, thanks for information :)
[19:10] <natewiebe13> MindVirus: i just do irc and msn, and dont have problems.. so its probably another protocol thats doing that
[19:10] <MindVirus> I'm sure.
[19:10] <MindVirus> But I would like to get to the bottom of this.
[19:10] <natewiebe13> yeah
[19:11] <natewiebe13> but i like pidgin way more the empathy
[19:12] <natewiebe13> anyone know if they are ditching rhythmbox and replacing it with banshee?
[19:13] <ruslanr> I heard, that there are some blockers for Banshee migration
[19:13] <natewiebe13> that sucks
[19:13] <natewiebe13> banshee is way better imo
[19:13] <SeveredCross> As far as I know, we're *not* going to get Banshee for karmic.
[19:13] <SeveredCross> The Banshee guys don't think they can get all the blockers sorted out in time
[19:13] <ruslanr> :(
[19:13] <natewiebe13> (N)
[19:14] <natewiebe13> [thumbs down]
[19:14] <SeveredCross> Should be ready for Karmic+1.
[19:14] <natewiebe13> hope so
[19:14] <natewiebe13> one thing.. gnome needs to let its programs revamp their sites
[19:14] <natewiebe13> the rhythmbox website seems like 1995
[19:14] <SeveredCross> Do, Tomboy and Banshee have good sites. :D
[19:14] <natewiebe13> exactly
[19:15] <natewiebe13> gnome-do needs to be put into karmic
[19:15] <natewiebe13> doesnt have to be a dock, but do should be in karmic by default
[19:15] <Pici> Its in the jaunty repos.
[19:15] <natewiebe13> though i do like the dock
[19:15] <natewiebe13> i know
[19:15] <natewiebe13> but installed
[19:15] <SeveredCross> I think he means in the default install.
[19:15] <natewiebe13> exactly
[19:15] <Pici> !enter
[19:16] <natewiebe13> sorry
[19:26] <cwillu_clone> bugabundu been around?
[19:27] <natewiebe13> last time i saw him on was last night
[19:27] <cwillu_clone> mvo, you around?
[19:27] <cwillu_clone> I've got an installer bug and quasi-fix for you!
[19:28]  * BluesKaj wonders what is meant by "quasi-fix" :)
[19:28]  * cwillu_clone feels like homer simpson, chasing down the garbage truck, trying to present them with his oh-so-pungent garbage
[19:28] <cwillu_clone> BluesKaj, the file in question has a big comment header saying that it is unnecessary, but being kept around as a sanity check
[19:28] <cwillu_clone> BluesKaj, the sanity check contradicts the installer though
[19:29] <BluesKaj> sounds like it's qusai-broken
[19:29] <cwillu_clone> installer claims that according to the selections I've made, there will be no need to write to the partition table (and there isn't), but then the sanity check still fails
[19:29] <cwillu_clone> yep
[19:29] <cwillu_clone> and hence only really needs a quasi fix :p
[19:30] <cwillu_clone> but I could see somebody wanting it to give a confirmation prompt, or even better (?) duplicate (!?) the logic done by ubiquity so that it allows the same cases through
[19:30] <cwillu_clone> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/372549
[19:30] <cwillu_clone> /lib/partman/commit.d/01unmount_busy is the relevant file
[19:31] <th1> hi I just installed the latest upgrade-bunch on my Eee 1000HE and now the touchpad can't click or scroll
[19:31]  * BluesKaj is blinded by too much information ...think I'll take a break
[19:31] <th1> its only useless
[19:31] <cwillu_clone> th1, there's changes affecting that bouncing in and out iirc
[19:31] <cwillu_clone> re: hal
[19:33] <cwillu_clone> th1, you should be able to install gsynaptics and configure the touchpad to turn things back on, or you can find the relevant xorg hotplugging rules to fix it
[19:34]  * cwillu_clone resumes pondering how to attach 12 leads to a bga chip the size of this letter -> o
[19:34]  * cwillu_clone looks over at the toaster oven
[19:36] <Spaghetti-code> my cat is trying to find a bubble gum
[19:37] <mvo> cwillu_clone: now I'm around
[19:37] <th1> cwillu_clone, one nice feature would be "revert last upgrade"
[19:37] <mvo> cwillu_clone: well, on and off :)
[19:37]  * cwillu_clone tins Spaghetti-code's cat, ducktapes the bga to his head, and sticks the whole mess in the toaster oven
[19:37] <th1> and then install one byy one
[19:37] <cwillu_clone> mvo, /lib/partman/commit.d/01unmount_busy hurts my feelings by making ubiquity refuse to install to sda1 when I'm booted off a live image on sda2
[19:38] <cwillu_clone> mvo, make the crying stop :)
[19:38] <cwillu_clone> I just killed it here, the system installed correctly
[19:38] <mvo> cwillu_clone: uh, I'm not a ubiquity master :) that would be evand or cjwatson
[19:38] <mvo> (sorry)
[19:38] <cwillu_clone> oh right, you're update-manager
[19:38] <cwillu_clone> sorry :p
[19:39]  * cwillu_clone pokes the two people who aren't in channel with a stick
[19:39] <cwillu_clone> mvo, do you know if those are their irc nicks, or are they not on here much?
[19:39] <mvo> cwillu_clone: might just be a bad time (it evening in europe) - you could also try #ubuntu-devel
[19:39] <cwillu_clone> k
[19:40] <cwillu_clone> well, I updated the relevant bug already (from jaunty), I just thought I'd give it a little personal care :p
[19:40] <th1> checked for updates only "sed" update yay I just want my touchpad back ;)
[19:42] <Spaghetti-code> meowagi
[19:47] <cwillu_clone> oh wow, event.d renamed to init
[19:48] <cwillu_clone> that's probably sensible, but it's sure going to be annoying until more things that I /e<tab>in<tab>ap<tab> restart all day become upstart jobs
[19:48] <vega_> where can i see what percentage a certain filesystem (ext3) has reserved for root?
[19:53] <cwillu_clone> vega_, sudo tune2fs -l /dev/sda1 would tell you I think
[19:53] <th1> vega_, dumpe2fs
[19:53] <cwillu_clone> ah, that one
[19:53] <cwillu_clone> actually, it's the same output
[19:54] <th1> ok
[19:54] <cwillu_clone> vega_, it'd be 5% unless you changed it though iirc
[19:55] <th1> cwillu_clone, I guess dumpe2fs is slightly safer since it can't modify stuff
[19:55] <th1> so dumpe2fs -h /dev/sdaX
[19:56] <cwillu_clone> th1, it also outputs alot of irrelevant junk though :p
[19:56] <th1> not with -h
[20:01] <vega_> th1: ok thanks
[20:02] <vega_> Reserved blocks uid:      0 (user root)
[20:03] <vega_> Reserved blocks gid:      0 (group root)
[20:03] <vega_> i guess that means 0% then
[20:05] <cwillu_clone> vega_, be careful if you did that deliberately
[20:05] <cwillu_clone> vega_, it's alot harder to recover from a disk-full situation if there's nothing reserved for root
[20:05] <cwillu_clone> (granted that you don't need 5% on a 500gb drive, but still
[20:16] <oldude67> hey how do i get k3b to let me use it as user instead of root?
[20:22] <oldude67> would it be easier to switch into gnome and set the permissions for k3b then switch back to kde?
[20:25]  * Spaghetti-code meows for my cat instead
[20:25] <oldude67> !cookie
[20:26] <DanaG> what the heck kind of name is this?  "palimpsest"
[20:26] <DanaG> pa...limp....sest?
[20:26] <DanaG> =þ
[20:26] <DanaG> How about "gnome-disk-utility"?  Is that name not good enough?  =þ
[20:26] <Spaghetti-code> palim?
[20:27]  * cwillu_clone is intrigued
[20:27] <Spaghetti-code> sounds like a east german dude ringing on a old mama store and doing some love with his mother
[20:27] <oldude67> lol
[20:27]  * cwillu_clone is deintrigued
[20:28] <DanaG> !info gnome-disk-utility
[20:28] <DanaG> umm... where does that say "palimpsest?"
[20:28] <DanaG> I installed it... and then had to dpkg --list-files to find the actual name of the thing,
[20:28] <Spaghetti-code> nothing
[20:28] <Pici> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/palimpsest
[20:28] <cwillu_clone> ah, I see
[20:28] <Spaghetti-code> palim palim means ringing
[20:28] <cwillu_clone> !info gnome-disk-utility
[20:29] <cwillu_clone> but, why not just gparted? :p
[20:29] <Spaghetti-code> but palimpsest is a combination btw palim and incest
[20:29]  * cwillu_clone attempts the 'get screenshot' nuttob
[20:29] <cwillu_clone> ~:/
[20:29] <cwillu_clone> button
[20:29] <cwillu_clone> b utto n
[20:29] <Spaghetti-code> jenson?
[20:30] <DanaG> "nuttob" -- awesome.
[20:30] <Spaghetti-code> i go to update from dapper drake to karmic
[20:30] <Spaghetti-code> this takes a few days
[20:32] <cwillu_clone> Spaghetti-code, you upgraded straight to hardy right?
[20:32] <Spaghetti-code> yeah 8.04
[20:32] <Spaghetti-code> i thin
[20:32] <cwillu_clone> (although at that point, you might just be better off backing up home, etc, and your package list
[20:32] <cwillu_clone> (and reinstalling fresh)
[20:33] <DanaG> wait, what's the previous LTS?
[20:33] <DanaG> Dapper -> what?
[20:33] <cwillu_clone> dapper was the first
[20:33] <cwillu_clone> hardy was the second
[20:33] <cwillu_clone> 10.04 will be the third
[20:33] <DanaG> ah.
[20:33] <DanaG> So yeah, it'd be a pain to upgrade all the way through.
[20:34] <Spaghetti-code> i just block the enter key during the update
[20:34] <DanaG> that can be dangerous.  =þ
[20:34] <Spaghetti-code> yeah life is dangerous, its deadly
[20:53] <cwillu_clone> weird
[20:53] <cwillu_clone> how is it that "openvz" shows more packages in synaptic than "vz"?
[20:55] <arand> cwillu_clone: is that the quicksearch? That's always been funkyweird.
[20:59] <hinto> I've been digging karmic for a couple of weeks on my core 2 quad. I'm currently at Alpha 2.. If I update with the update-manager, will it cary me to Alpha 3?
[21:00] <yofel> hinto: yes
[21:00] <hinto> yofel: I just didn't see a new kernel in there.  Is it actually in alpha 3?
[21:01] <yofel> It won't say alpha3 anywhere though
[21:01] <yofel> hinto: the alpha3 kernel is 2.6.31-3
[21:01] <hinto> yofel: yes... But I didn't see that in the update manager when it listed available updates
[21:01] <Spaghetti-code> i try to find four 128GB SSD drives and create a raid 01
[21:01] <ikonia> Spaghetti-code: ?
[21:02] <Spaghetti-code> but nested raid is not supported with mdadam afaik
[21:02] <yofel> hinto: alpha2 with all updates is alpha3
[21:02] <ikonia> Spaghetti-code: nested raid ?
[21:02] <Spaghetti-code> a mirrored raid 0
[21:02] <hinto> yofel: thanks for the info... I'll update...
[21:02] <yofel> hinto: The alpha releases are just snapshots of the current development process
[21:02] <Spaghetti-code> four drives
[21:03] <hinto> yofel: I lived with sid for about 5 years....
[21:03] <ikonia> Spaghetti-code: no, that won't be supported currently
[21:03] <Spaghetti-code> a mirrored stripeset
[21:03] <hinto> yofel: so just making sure of the convention here
[21:03] <Spaghetti-code> thats why i currently avoid SSD
[21:04] <yofel> hinto: ah well, ubuntu is a bit different, but you only have to do a explicit upgrade between releases, not between alphaX/beta/rc/release
[21:04] <ikonia> is this anything to do with karmic ?
[21:04] <Spaghetti-code> no but with linux
[21:04] <BUGabundo> hi
[21:04] <yofel> hi BUGabundo
[21:04] <ikonia> Spaghetti-code: ok - this channel is for karmic discussion
[21:04] <BUGabundo> Spaghetti-code: 4 128SSDs?
[21:04] <Spaghetti-code> yeah karmic runs on windows
[21:04] <BUGabundo> send me one
[21:04] <BUGabundo> :)
[21:04] <Spaghetti-code> ok they are cheap
[21:04] <BUGabundo> hey yofel ikonia
[21:04] <Spaghetti-code> 600 bucks each
[21:04] <hinto> yofel: thanks again...
[21:05] <yofel> hinto: np
[21:13] <PROject-Emerald> I updated to 9.10 last night and now my sound is gone.
[21:14] <PROject-Emerald> anyone?
[21:15] <yofel> PROject-Emerald: did you check your settings that sound isn't muted somewhere?
[21:16] <PROject-Emerald> Yep. all good.
[21:16] <yofel> we had quite some changes regarding pulse
[21:17] <PROject-Emerald> Any way to fix it?
[21:17] <yofel> PROject-Emerald: anything in pavucontol? (You might have to install it first)
[21:17] <PROject-Emerald> Uh, lemme check? o.O
[21:17] <BUGabundo> hey PROject-Emerald
[21:17] <PROject-Emerald> ?
[21:17] <BUGabundo> lets see
[21:17] <BUGabundo> is it muted?
[21:17] <PROject-Emerald> Is what muted.
[21:17] <PROject-Emerald> Everything is unmuted, I just checked.
[21:18] <BUGabundo> PROject-Emerald: and is the gain hi enough?
[21:19] <BUGabundo> can you see the bars moving?
[21:19] <PROject-Emerald> Yep. Everything is max
[21:19] <BUGabundo> while you play anything
[21:19] <PROject-Emerald> And the bars are moving.
[21:19] <BUGabundo> please check the output
[21:19] <BUGabundo> is it internal?
[21:19] <PROject-Emerald> yeah
[21:19] <BUGabundo> ok
[21:19] <BUGabundo> file a bug
[21:19] <PROject-Emerald> No way to fix this?
[21:19] <BUGabundo> and let audio team take a stab at it
[21:20] <BUGabundo> PROject-Emerald: $ ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[21:20] <PROject-Emerald> Mk.
[21:31] <PROject-Emerald> I submitted the bug report; how long until they solve it? -_-
[21:33] <BUGabundo> eheh
[21:33] <BUGabundo> depends on dtchen load
[21:33] <BUGabundo> and free time
[21:33] <BUGabundo> you can join #ubuntu-audio-help PROject-Emerald, ask him, and wait he comes back
[21:34] <PROject-Emerald> Ok. Is he like, official?
[21:35] <tanath> need help. i can't boot. i chrooted to HD from livedisc and installed updates & saw: Cannot determine root device.  Assuming /dev/hda1
[21:35] <tanath> and, findfs: unable to resolve 'UUID=b9d125d2-f22f-4334-8eac-4d471f93d39a'
[21:35] <tanath> should be sda1
[21:35] <DanaG> try booting with sda1... I've been having initramfs fail to load.
[21:35] <yofel> tanath: what does 'sudo blkid' show you?
[21:36] <BUGabundo> PROject-Emerald: yes
[21:36] <BUGabundo> what ? more UUID probs?
[21:36] <BUGabundo> oh come on....
[21:36] <yofel> tanath: check that the uuid for sda1 is the same that is set for / in /etc/fstab
[21:37] <yofel> tanath: and also check if grub uses the right uuid
[21:37] <tanath> yofel: it is, i set it
[21:38] <yofel> tanath: grub1 or 2?
[21:38] <tanath> yofel: didn't match before, so i set them all the same, according to ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/
[21:39] <DanaG> I'm having the exact same issue... but only when uefi (grub2) booting.
[21:39] <bmunger> so is akregator known to be broken?  I can't find any bug reports but its not functioning on two test machines in kubuntu karmic
[21:39] <DanaG> Grub-legacy boots fine.
[21:39] <tanath> yofel: not sure. whatever karmic is using
[21:40] <yofel> tanath: if you upgraded from jaunty then you have grub legacy, if you installed karmic then you have grub2
[21:40] <tanath> yofel: 0.97-29ubuntu56
[21:40] <yofel> that's grub legacy...
[21:40] <tanath> yofel: upgraded
[21:40] <tanath> yofel: been upgrading for years :P
[21:40] <yofel> hm, if you checked that the uuid's are right then it should work...
[21:41] <tanath> Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub
[21:41] <tanath> findfs: unable to resolve 'UUID=b9d125d2-f22f-4334-8eac-4d471f93d39a'
[21:41] <tanath> Cannot determine root device.  Assuming /dev/hda1
[21:41] <tanath> This error is probably caused by an invalid /etc/fstab
[21:42] <yofel> hm... mind to pastebin your fstab?
[21:42] <Spaghetti-code> tanaka
[21:42] <yofel> didn't have an error like this yet so I'm not sure where to start looking...
[21:42] <tanath> http://pastebin.ca/1506141
[21:43] <DanaG> Does it boot all the way if you edit the command line to say root=/dev/sda# (insert real number)?
[21:43] <yofel> tanath: and 'sudo blkid' ?
[21:43] <DanaG> ... oh, and add         rootfstype=ext4        if that's what root is.
[21:44] <tanath> ok, blkid outside chroot shows sda1's uuid. from in chroot, it doesn't
[21:44] <tanath> DanaG: i'm using ext3
[21:45] <yofel> tanath: you probably didn't bind-mounted /dev into the chroot that's why it doesn't show
[21:45] <tanath> i did
[21:45] <tanath> had to to get aptitude to work
[21:45] <yofel> hm...
[21:45] <tanath> it shows the other partitions, but not roots
[21:46] <yofel> tanath: do you use encryption?
[21:46] <tanath> possibly. i've installed many things over the years
[21:46] <tanath> but no... i may have had truecrypt or some such installed at one point
[21:46] <tanath> but not at the moment
[21:47] <tanath> i looked for and removed anything similar when i found this prob
[21:47] <yofel> tanath: well, then try to replace UUID=... with /dev/sda1 like DanaG said
[21:47] <tanath> in fstab?
[21:47] <yofel> yes
[21:47] <tanath> and grub?
[21:47] <yofel> tanath: try update-grub after that
[21:47] <tanath> ok
[21:48] <DanaG> If it's anything like my situation, it probably has something to do with failing to load initramfs.
[21:48] <tanath> same error
[21:48] <DanaG> "junk in compressed archive"
[21:48] <yofel> DanaG: he's using grub legacy
[21:48] <tanath> findfs: unable to resolve 'UUID=/dev/sda1'
[21:48] <tanath> Cannot determine root device.  Assuming /dev/hda1
[21:48] <tanath> This error is probably caused by an invalid /etc/fstab
[21:48] <yofel> tanath: get rid of the UUID=
[21:49] <yofel> just '/dev/sda1'
[21:49] <tanath> my bad. looks good now
[21:49] <tanath> should i try it?
[21:49] <tanath> gotta reboot
[21:50] <tanath> i left the swap partition using uuid though
[21:50] <tanath> not aware of any probs with that
[21:51] <tanath> should i update grub?
[21:51] <yofel> tanath: check with 'top' if you have any swap space later for that
[21:51] <yofel> tanath: yes
[21:51] <tanath> hm?
[21:51] <tanath> for grub?
[21:51] <Spaghetti-code> lspci
[21:51] <yofel> Spaghetti-code: ?
[21:51] <yofel> wrong window? :P
[21:52] <tanath> ok, so i'll reboot now & see if it works
[21:52] <yofel> tanath: good luck
[21:52] <tanath> thx
[21:55] <yofel> 22:48:55 < yofel> tanath: get rid of the UUID=
[21:55] <yofel> 22:48:55 < yofel> tanath: get rid of the UUID=
[21:55] <yofel> 22:48:55 < yofel> tanath: get rid of the UUID=
[21:56] <yofel> uuups...
[21:56] <yofel> sry
[21:56]  * BUGabundo helps yofel get reed of the jammed ENTER
[21:57]  * yofel thanks BUGabundo 
[21:58] <BUGabundo> I was slow
[21:58] <BUGabundo> im lagged :(
[22:01] <tanath> fail
[22:01] <yofel> :/
[22:02] <tanath> .31 kernels still won't boot, and formerly working .28 kernel hangs after detecting usb game pad
[22:04] <tanath> .31 kernels hang at a blinking cursor - nothing on screen
[22:05] <yofel> tanath: gpu?
[22:05] <tanath> muh? vid card? how would that be a prob?
[22:05] <tanath> using ati radeon 9800se
[22:06] <yofel> tanath: well, you say, hand at a blinking cursor... do you get anything before that? no usplash?
[22:06] <tanath> nope
[22:06] <tanath> blinks once or twice, then goes to blinking cursor
[22:07] <yofel> tanath: tried to remove 'quiet splash' from the kernel line in grub?
[22:07] <tanath> like, screen blanks/blinks
[22:07] <tanath> yeh
[22:07] <tanath> er, i think it was 'nosplash'
[22:08] <yofel> really? the default grub options in ubuntu are 'quiet splash' though
[22:08] <tanath> i'm not sure right now :-/
[22:08] <tanath> my memory's not so good lately
[22:08] <tanath> but regardless, it hangs before getting to the splash screen anyway
[22:09] <tanath> the .28 kernels are hanging a bit later
[22:09] <yofel> tanath: well yeah, but it should at least tell you *something* if you remove quiet from the boot line
[22:10] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, did you receive those burgers i emailed you last night? i hope the didn't go bad
[22:10] <billybigrigger> :P
[22:11] <tanath> yofel: well, i'll try again
[22:11] <tanath> brb
[22:11] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: did not!
[22:11] <BUGabundo> that's why I only had soup tonight
[22:11] <BUGabundo> damn you !! :o
[22:11] <billybigrigger> relay server somewhere must have snagged em
[22:11] <BUGabundo> I bet
[22:11] <billybigrigger> maybe it didn't make it past portugese boarder patrol
[22:11] <BUGabundo> though it was _spam_ and not real meet
[22:11] <billybigrigger> oh my, that's a terrible joke BUGabundo haha
[22:12] <billybigrigger> haha actually pretty good, +1 for you
[22:15] <Hootch> hi, I'm right here for ask for bugs with alpha3 9,10?
[22:16] <yofel> Hootch: well, this is the karmic support channel, so yes
[22:18] <Hootch> ok i tried to install 9.10. The setup is broken at 82%, task "Searching, Index Mirrorserver" .. my system is frozen during this step. (Virtualbox)
[22:19] <Hootch> 9.10 alpha 3
[22:19] <BUGabundo> yofel: support and discution, if you please! :)
[22:19] <BUGabundo> hmm Hootch I bet it was when it tried to download lang packs
[22:19] <yofel> BUGabundo: right, support *and* discussion :)
[22:20] <Hootch> BUGabundo: i cant move the mouse pointer :)
[22:21] <BUGabundo> FF multisearch discuttion http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/07/24/%23ubuntu-mozillateam.txt at 19:30
[22:21] <Hootch> BUGabundo: and the status symbol of virtualbox dont show a activation over the the network
[22:22] <Hootch> activity ...
[22:23] <DanaG> that's odd... the synaptics driver is ignoring my settings.
[22:24] <BUGabundo> is horizontal touchpad scroll working ??
[22:24] <billybigrigger> Hootch, it has to do with the network, disable your network driver
[22:24] <DanaG> It was working before... but now it doesn't.
[22:24] <DanaG> Granted, I'm using a PPA with newer versions of drivers.
[22:25] <eagles0513875> hey BUGabundo
[22:25] <DanaG> oh yeah, another thing for the mozilla team: having the new-tab-as-search be a PLUGIN is evil... it should be a "default preference".
[22:25] <DanaG> otherwise, it OVERRIDES user preferences.
[22:25] <tanath> managed to get .28 kernel working..
[22:26] <tanath> removing splash made things worse. didn't even get to cursor
[22:26] <BUGabundo> hey eagles0513875
[22:26] <tanath> had to change kernel boot line of .28 kernel from uuid to /dev/sda1
[22:26] <BUGabundo> DanaG: saw my link?
[22:26] <BUGabundo> or my bugs on that?
[22:26] <DanaG> yeah.
[22:26] <tanath> then my hibernation was borked, and had to force reboot
[22:27] <BUGabundo> or blog replies to asac?
[22:27] <eagles0513875> hoe goes it BUGabundo
[22:27] <eagles0513875> *how
[22:27] <DanaG> blog, where?
[22:27] <BUGabundo> DanaG: http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/index.php?url=archives/162-What-is-this-Multisearch-thing-in-my-Firefox-about.html
[22:29] <DanaG> Overriding anything == bad.
[22:32] <DanaG> s/anything/the user/
[22:34] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and there wasn't even a CHANGELOG showing that addition, I'm pretty sure.
[22:34] <yofel> DanaG: there was: * add me001 multisearch feature for karmic alpha3
[22:35] <yofel> (from the firefox-3.0 changelog)
[22:35] <DanaG> odd... I don't see that.
[22:35] <yofel> DanaG: aptitude changelog firefox - the second newest change
[22:35] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/changelog.Debian.gz
[22:36] <DanaG> that's firefox-3.5.
[22:36] <DanaG> And such a (mis)feature belongs in a separate package.  =þ
[22:36] <yofel> DanaG: we're talking about 3.0 here, 3.5 takes the additions from 3.0
[22:37]  * DanaG purges firefox-3.0 package.
[22:37] <yofel> DanaG: if you still can't find it: http://pastebin.com/f666a3cab line 23
[22:37] <DanaG> I found it in firefox-3.0.
[22:38] <BUGabundo> aptitude change log?!?
[22:38] <BUGabundo> does that work? wo
[22:38] <yofel> I would purge firefox-3.0 but that breaks the sun-java6-plugin -.-
[22:38] <DanaG> oh, and what does ubufox do>
[22:38] <DanaG> ?
[22:39] <BUGabundo> DanaG: you can't
[22:39] <BUGabundo> it will drag ALL FFs
[22:39] <yofel> BUGabundo: it works a while after the package has been published, if it's too new then changelogs.ubuntu.com isn't synced and you get a 404 :(
[22:39] <yofel> that's why I now subscribed karmic-changes too...
[22:39] <BUGabundo> DanaG: integration with Desktop
[22:40] <BUGabundo> I used to get apt-listchanges
[22:40] <BUGabundo> but now my postifix is broken
[22:40] <Lademord> Is there any way to make Shiretoko replace the old Firefox? Running Shiretoko make a lot of webpages report problems because I'm 'not running Firefox'
[22:40] <BUGabundo> to lazy to set it up
[22:40] <BUGabundo> need to restaure from backup :)
[22:40] <DanaG> grr, AP randomly dropped me.
[22:40] <yofel> Lademord: didn't get that yet...
[22:41] <tanath> Lademord, there's always the useragent switcher extensino
[22:41] <tanath> *extension
[22:41] <BUGabundo> Lademord: galternatives
[22:41] <BUGabundo> or System->prefe.->Prefered apps
[22:43] <BUGabundo> why?
[22:43] <Lademord> BUGabundo what's galternatives?
[22:44] <BUGabundo> if pages don't work, then its there fault
[22:44] <BUGabundo> they should check engine not browsers
[22:44] <BUGabundo> and btw. wfm
[22:44] <Lademord> because stuff like Facebook toolbar-chat is broken because it's not recognizing Shiretoko
[22:45] <BUGabundo> their bad
[22:45] <BUGabundo> bad devs!!! :)
[22:48] <Lademord> word
[22:51] <Spaghetti-code> is there something better then vinagre?
[22:51] <Spaghetti-code> cause it is very blocky
[22:51] <BUGabundo> oliveoil?
[22:51] <BUGabundo> :p
[22:51] <Spaghetti-code> yeah olivia oil
[22:51] <Spaghetti-code> and popeye
[22:52] <BUGabundo> ahaah
[23:12] <Spaghetti-code> now i try x11vnc
[23:16] <PROject-Emerald> That guy in Ubuntu Audio Support has been gone a really long time D:
[23:17] <BUGabundo> yep
[23:18] <BUGabundo> he is very busy
[23:18] <BUGabundo> but he does reply
[23:18] <billybigrigger> mr chen?
[23:18] <BUGabundo> yes
[23:20] <PROject-Emerald> How long, lol... I've been waiting a while.
[23:21] <BUGabundo> wiat more
[23:21] <BUGabundo> long more
[23:23] <billybigrigger> heh
[23:25] <billybigrigger> Hootch, did you get your install finished?
[23:26] <Hootch> billybigrigger: yes, the installation is fine .. all features runs fine
[23:27] <Hootch> billybigrigger: virtualbox with xorg graphics, network and rest of apps
[23:27] <Hootch> billybigrigger: ubuntu is boring :)
[23:44] <billybigrigger> haha how is ubuntu boring?
[23:45] <PROject-Emerald> When your sound is messed, it's pretty boring.
[23:45] <BUGabundo> anoying not boring
[23:46] <SKB1> apt-get purge pulseaudio did the trick :|
[23:47] <BUGabundo> SKB1: sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[23:47] <SKB1> i know
[23:47] <SKB1> but that will install pulse
[23:47] <SKB1> i'll wait
[23:47] <SKB1> :P
[23:48] <BUGabundo> wooooo new kernel
[23:48] <BUGabundo> SKB1: what's up ?
[23:48] <SKB1> ceiling
[23:48] <BUGabundo> down?
[23:48] <SKB1> floor
[23:48] <SKB1> hehe
[23:48] <BUGabundo> audio?
[23:48] <SKB1> alsa
[23:48] <BUGabundo> dog
[23:48] <SKB1> what?
[23:48] <BUGabundo> :p
[23:49] <raindog> When I try to use the K(u)buntu Alpha 3 LiveCD I get an xserver error and am dumped to a login prompt.  Is this an installer error?