[00:00] 1280x800 here that what? 16:10 » [00:00] ? [00:00] (12:00:19 AM) Day changed to 24 Jul 2009 [00:00] even my clock is slow [00:00] Use the timeservers [00:01] BUGabundo, ya thats 16:10 [00:01] Shane_Fagan: its not a question of time [00:01] ah [00:01] its a question of pidgin it self not running on time [00:01] google "javascript dpi calculator" [00:03] yay, the higher DPI, the more awesome the display. Especially in Linux. [00:03] Well, except with certain closed-source software. [00:03] I have a 22 wide screen at work [00:04] and a 13.3" laptop at hom [00:04] takes me a while to get used to the lower space [00:04] Nobody makes a 147 DPI desktop display. [00:04] Oh, and having an LCD I can see clearly, even when outside in direct sun, is awesome. [00:10] hello everyone [00:10] dpi [00:10] lol [00:10] hello everyone [00:10] dots per inch, what a obsolete measurement [00:11] change to metrics like everyone on the earth USA [00:11] Spaghetti-code: dpi is used worldwide :p [00:11] i think they tried to pass that law in congress on at least two occasions [00:11] yeah, US Standard sucks. [00:12] well ok, could somebody run s/dpi/ppi on the channel backlog? :P [00:12] no infinity, you cannot longer use it in the EU [00:12] you have to use dots per "metrics" [00:12] if you use it, you get a fine [00:13] * billybigrigger reboots [00:13] BUGabundo, :P [00:13] Spaghetti-code: in *what* iso standard was that defined? [00:13] in the new standard [00:14] Spaghetti-code: what number? (Didn't hear about that) [00:14] Spaghetti-code: dpi is used in professionell layout / design also in europe. [00:14] damnit, why does NOBODY make a high-DPI desktop display? [00:14] i found the Linux Penguin on a cereal box today: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7667353 [00:14] TheInfinity: the fact stays that we were talking about lcds where we should have used ppi instead :P [00:15] If I want to match my internal LCD... I'd have to buy a SECOND laptop display... and an LCD controller. [00:15] dpcm is what you have to use in the EU [00:15] 700 bucks total. [00:15] yofel: he said it in general - and thats wrong :p [00:15] I saw one of them thar boxes just the other day. [00:16] Spaghetti-code: This still is the first time I hear that, got some source? [00:16] yes [00:17] https://www.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/linux/2.6.31-4.20 [00:17] yay a new kernel :\\\ [00:18] damn kernel's that won't boot :P [00:19] 2.6.31 kernel won't see initramfs if I boot it via UEFI. [00:19] someone puti e4defrag into the kernel! its lame to compile it again just because someone thinks its unusable [00:20] billybigrigger: https://www.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/linux/2.6.31-4.20 [00:20] e2fsprogs lol [00:21] http://www.thefrozencanuck.ca/photos/main.php?g2_itemId=15 [00:21] there's my bootcharts BUGabundo [00:21] its very cold here , aprox -20°K [00:21] sorted newest to oldest [00:22] Spaghetti-code: e4defrag support is in the 2.6.31 kernel, but e4defrag is only in git yet [00:22] BUGabundo, ya i've been git pull'ing from linus' source [00:22] the kernel booted, just something wrong with nvidia drivers [00:22] mailine kernel ppa should have a daily for karmic [00:22] negative kelvin? [00:22] ot just jaunty [00:22] =þ [00:23] DanaG: bose einstein condensate [00:24] That's "really low", not negative. [00:24] yeah, just kiddin' [00:26] *not [00:28] billybigrigger: your server is slow :( [00:28] your in portugal [00:28] :P your slow haha [00:28] somebody 'version' me, just for the heck of it. [00:29] I'm on 3G so I guess you may be right [00:29] 2mb/s download with a capped 120k/sec upload :P [00:29] 81MiB/s [00:29] not bad [00:29] SATA disc? [00:29] My version string is "Oooh, that thing has numbers on it!" [00:30] yeah [00:30] I hit 2200kbs a min ago [00:30] that DHCPClient killed you [00:30] Now, who here gets that reference? [00:30] why did it take so long? [00:30] wasn't the address in the arp pool? [00:31] * billybigrigger looks [00:31] I wonder why the update manager doesnt measure in mb/s [00:31] 4 secs for ined to start billybigrigger?? darn [00:32] 17secs to gdm start, 20 to login [00:32] billybigrigger: you have the same bug as me [00:33] ya it sucks [00:33] gdm starts metacity and that takes *13* f***** secs to release to compiz [00:33] billybigrigger: sleep 30 is not enouth for you [00:33] ahaha [00:33] put 40 === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [00:34] feels so much faster :) [00:34] what is bluetooh-apple? [00:34] from $ sudo shutdown now to grub is like 30 secs, then ~25s to login, then 20s to a usable desktop [00:34] i don't know [00:34] i don't have any bluetooth devices [00:35] gconf is tooooo heavy [00:35] they need to make it faster [00:35] its killing the disk post login :( [00:35] Id love if bluetooth wasnt a dependency [00:36] Like it should be installed if bluetooth is detected but not a dependency [00:36] billybigrigger: love the null applet LOLOOL [00:36] Shane_Fagan: welcome to the Works For Everybody distro [00:36] want light? go Debian [00:36] But it wastes CPU time [00:37] and isnt needed if you dont have bluetooth [00:37] BUGabundo, trying sleep 50 [00:37] Debian's dev release cycle is way too slow [00:38] and rc4 kernel [00:38] BUGabundo, after a few beers and burgers :P you gonna be around in an hour or so? or is it nappy time? :) [00:38] Shane_Fagan: use experimental or sid [00:38] billybigrigger: almost 1am [00:39] well if i miss ya see ya tommarow :P [00:39] been telming myself to go to bed for the last 40 min [00:39] but its BURGER TIME!!! haha [00:39] Na ill just stick with ubuntu plus im a member around here :) [00:39] nom nom nom [00:39] billybigrigger: email me some of those burgers [00:39] Shane_Fagan: so am I [00:39] and a lot of this guys [00:39] BUGabundo: awesome [00:40] Ive been one for a month ish [00:40] since april I think.... [00:40] but I was just to lazy to apply sooner [00:40] I wanted to do it back in november [00:40] Same here [00:41] and then we see ppl like akgarner [00:41] :) [00:41] come in here and all of the sudden get member ship [00:41] h [00:41] ha [00:41] while the rest of us _trolls_ require 4y of hard work [00:42] Well ive only been using ubuntu for 2 years [00:42] * BUGabundo been using/supporting U full time since 2006 [00:42] the end of 07 for me [00:43] I did support on launchpad for a long time though [00:43] And I run the Irish translations too === AndrewGe1 is now known as AndrewGee [01:04] * BUGabundo $ sle -ep; echo load /dev/urandom /dev/eyes [01:04] gn BUGabundo [01:15] question, would someone have the link to grab the minimal install image for 9.10 [01:27] xxploit: try via http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ [02:09] No probe response from AP 00:16:01:d6:9b:a8 after 200ms, disconnecting. [02:09] argh! [02:28] DanaG, nm woes? [02:29] Before, it was... but the longer break was me rebooting to try mainline kernel. [02:29] It's also highly possible my AP was acting up. [02:30] My EFI-based booting has broken recently... [02:30] It refuses to acknowledge the presence of initramfs... and thus fails to comprehend UUIDs. [02:33] hello. I'm running karmic alpha 3... I can't boot into windows. I see a menuconfig section for it in grub.cfg, but it doesn't show up in the actual grub menu. === DrMrHorse is now known as Guest33081 [02:34] nevermind... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/grub2/+bug/402795 [02:34] Ubuntu bug 402795 in grub2 "windows option not shown" [High,Triaged] === drmrhorse_ is now known as DrMrHorse [02:57] oh yeah, what does Ubuntu add onto mainline 2.6.31-rc3? [02:58] kernel debugging? [02:59] Hmm, like what? [03:00] I mean, is there any benefit to the ubuntu "[SAUCE]" ones, over the same-base-version mainline? [03:01] * billybigrigger is lost [03:02] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=533903 [03:02] Debian bug 533903 in initramfs-tools "initramfs-tools: support different compression tools in mkinitramfs" [Wishlist,Open] [03:02] interesting. [03:43] make: *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.3.3/include/stddef.h', needed by `grub_mkimage-util_i386_efi_grub_mkimage.o'. Stop. [04:02] I'm trying alpha 3 via a live USB, and can't seem to get wireless working on my Dell Mini 9 with b43-fwcutter or the STA driver. Any suggestions? [04:54] has anyone attempted to install karmic alpha3 in virtualbox 3.0.2 r49928 ??? both amd64 & i386 fail ??? [05:05] desktop install that is... [05:09] where does it fail? [05:38] Should the new ati-driver 9.7 work in ubuntu 9.10? [05:41] i have no clue [05:42] i use the kernel stuff [05:43] ltsmooth42: good place to check: phoronix.com forums. [05:43] thanks [05:44] It may be a while before somebody updates the 2.6.31 patches for 9.7. [05:45] billybigrigger: the amd64 claims that I'm not using a x86_64 (when I am!) and the i386 says that all is installed but when it restarts, it errors (virtualbox) to the point where virtualbox stops that vm... I'm currently getting the alternate amd64 & i386 to try those... [05:47] I'm not sure if the virtualbox log would assist (if this is a bug!) [05:50] this link is the amd64 issue ... http://files.getdropbox.com/u/927280/Karmic%20Alpha3-2009-07-24-10-29-23.log the second one is the i386 issue ... http://files.getdropbox.com/u/927280/Karmic%20Alpha3-2009-07-24-13-41-35.log [05:58] Hmm.. ok I've just restarted the i386 install and it's now booted and working! Gahh maybe I should try sleeping! :P [06:08] glad i could help [06:08] haha [06:18] billybigrigger: but a reboot of the VM results in the same error! (just updated to current releases!) but a fresh boot of the VM if fine... so maybe it's more a virtualbox issue! ;) [06:18] what are you running? [06:18] what is the host os [06:18] what happend to libasound_module_pcm_a52.so? [06:19] VK7HSE, ?? [06:23] billybigrigger: ok... let me try to explain it a little clearer then! ... whe the i386 VM botted/loaded I then updated alpha3 to current updates (synaptic) once that was complete, I then rebooted that i386 VM ... I got the same halt issue .. /home/scott/Dropbox/Public/VBox.log.3 ... http://files.getdropbox.com/u/927280/VBox.png.2 but after closing that VM and then restarting it it then boots as expected! :-/ [06:24] try http://files.getdropbox.com/u/927280/VBox.log.3 for that first link! [06:26] i think i know your problem [06:26] :P [06:27] how long are you letting it wait to boot? [06:27] i can almost guarantee you that ubuntu is looking for a floppy disk [06:27] you need to blacklist your floppy module [06:35] VK7HSE, ? [06:36] it is! [06:36] err... I think! [06:36] just checking! [06:36] let it boot [06:36] it will take a few minutes, but it will boot [06:37] yeh it's disabled! [06:38] anyway I'm more concerned about the x86_64 issue! [06:39] copy and paste this [06:39] $ uname -a [06:40] and if your trying to install a 64bit ubuntu image, and your vm is not set for 64bit it might not work [06:40] you have to tell virtualbox your installing ubuntu 64bit [06:41] and your i386 image installs fine because you've told vbox its a 32bit image... [06:41] ok... shall try a little later... ;) [06:41] hold up [06:42] http://imagebin.ca/view/XfsgHD.html [06:42] VK7HSE, does your vbox look like that? do you see that little "64" in the corner of the ubuntu icon? [06:43] in your settings you can switch between 32/64, no need to re-install [06:43] well it didn't ... so there's my problem !!! I selected the wrong profile !! [06:43] yeah [06:43] ;) [06:44] don't delete it though, you can change the settings without re-installing [06:44] thanks ... (I'm a true professional IDIOT!) [06:44] so does it boot? [06:45] just starting now... [06:46] \o/ !!! [06:46] that's a yes! [06:49] :P [06:49] right on [06:49] have fun [06:50] cool! thanks for the tip! ... a classic RTFM moment! ;) [06:51] its all good [07:08] Can anyone tell me about the support for Intel GMA950 chipset in Karmic? Is it improved over Jaunty? [07:24] how can i smoke a bong? [07:33] morning [10:14] Hi, do you know why in firefox with the dust-sand theme the url bar has incorrect highlighting? [10:14] it seems the selection background is white [10:14] but only in firefox [10:20] Le-Chuck_ITA: speak to the guy who made the theme ? [10:20] Le-Chuck_ITA: I didn't think the themes where provided by ubuntu [10:20] ikonia: no it's just in firefox [10:20] hello [10:20] ok well when i boot LINUX KARMIC latest kernel, it looks like it will boot fine, and then firstly it says "NVIDIA (96.43.10) FAIL" Then when it rund through that it says ASSUMING DRIVE CACH: WRITE THROUGH, it says this twice and then o the second just freezes and wont boot [10:20] I think it's a new theme in karmic ikonia [10:20] I didn't install that separately as far as I remember but maybe [10:21] but the problem is only in firefox [10:21] Le-Chuck_ITA: I'd double check it, but if not log it as a bug [10:21] rob__: which kernel [10:21] ikonia: a bug in firefox anyways but how can I know if it's installed by default? I need to know if... the intersection between the transitive closure of reverse depends and the packages installed by default is non-empty! :) [10:22] latest one? [10:22] no easier [10:22] I just need to know if it's installed by default [10:22] is there a list somewhere === yofel_ is now known as yofel [10:22] rob__: which one [10:22] i dont know to be hnest [10:23] rob__: then you can't report an error [10:23] rob__: you need to get details [10:23] this happened after i set the nvidia driver to 96 and turned compiz off [10:23] rob__: the initial error suggests the nvidia module is not compatible with the kernel [10:23] rob__: where did you get the nvidia module ? [10:23] well it worked fine before i did that ^^^ [10:24] rob__: where did you get the nvidia module ? [10:24] usual default nvidia drivers from linux add ons packages [10:24] i was using117 but someone told me to use the earlier 96 one [10:25] rob__: well that messages suggests that module can't be loaded, but I'd be surprised if thast caused the machie to hang [10:25] so .... [10:25] so ? [10:25] what should i do? [10:25] find out what kernel you're runnining for starters [10:25] ok stay online please!! [10:30] ikonia? [10:30] ikonia? [10:30] yes [10:31] 2.6.31-3 [10:31] rob__: so search the launchad bug page at a high level to check for any known bugs [10:31] maybe the nvidia-96 driver needs the same 2.6.31 patches like n-180? [10:31] rob__: then boot into single usermode - if possible, and disable the nvidia driver [10:31] rob__: failing that boot from a livecd, mount your 9.10 install and disable the nvidia driver [10:32] rob__: then test your 9.10 install again [10:32] so what can i do? just give me an easy solutino [10:32] rob__: I've just given you 3 steps [10:32] i dont want a fesh install [10:32] no-one said a fresh install [10:32] re-read what I typed [10:33] ok il try that [10:33] bye [10:33] for now.... [10:48] nvidia made a driver for legacy card 173.14.20 maybe they made for older card too [10:50] ikonia [10:50] yes ? [10:50] no worky [10:50] i logged into a single user session [10:50] what doesn't ? [10:50] mounted the drive [10:50] changed back to the latest drivers [10:51] and it still hangs on assuming drive cache : write through [10:51] just stops [10:51] I suggest disabling nvidia totally [10:51] i dont think its to do with nvidia why it wont bot [10:51] boot* [10:51] ok then I'm done helping [10:51] sorry? [10:51] no i do need your help badly [10:52] it always said nvidia fail before but still booted [10:52] please please i need it running [10:53] you can't run 173.14 drivers? [10:53] nvidia made a new one updated for recent kernel [10:53] 180? [10:54] no 173 for legacy card [10:54] I ONT KNOW I NEED HELPP [10:54] assuming drive chache: write through??? and then stops [10:54] rob__: why are you running the development/unstable version of an OS if you need it so bad ? [10:54] wich card ? [10:54] why are you not running a stable oS ? [10:55] i dont know [10:55] rob__: right - so use a stable OS [10:55] look im fairly new to linux ok [10:55] rob__: so use a stable OS [10:55] install 9.04 and upgrade if/when 9.10 is stable [10:55] im just trying my best, and all love all apects of the os [10:55] then use a stable OS [10:55] learning on a developmetn OS is not a good idea, especially if it's something you need to be working more than not [10:55] how can i downgrade without frsh install? [10:55] do a fresh install of 9.04 [10:56] you can't downgrade [10:56] just save your /home [10:56] I CANT LOSE EVERYTHING THOUGH [10:56] don't use caps please [10:56] sorrry [10:56] http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_96.43.13.html [10:56] rob__: you need to boot a livecd - mount /home and back it up [10:56] rob__: or backup the data you want to keep - where ever it is [10:56] thjis one can compile on recent kernel 2.6.30 / 31 [10:56] i dont have any backup storage [10:56] :( [10:56] rob__: use a CD/DVD [10:57] living on the edge ? [10:58] zniavre... can you open that driver from boot? [10:58] rob__: stop using the development version [10:58] rob__: read the topic [10:58] quote "Karmic is NOT RELEASED and may break your system [10:58] " [10:59] well ubuntu allowed me to uograde to it so i did [10:59] rob__: the sooner you start using a stable system the better [10:59] rob__: ubuntu did not offer an upgrade to 9.10 - you must have gone looking for it [10:59] no i really didint [10:59] opened update maager and there it was [11:00] im not joking [11:00] rob__: you must have as 9.10 is not offered to 9.04 installs without you enabling development releases [11:00] rob__, you should find an how to in your language to know how to install nvidia.run it's quite easy if you faollow step by step process [11:00] rob__: either way - you need to re-install 9.04 and use a stable OS [11:01] :o( [11:01] no backup ... === zniavre_ is now known as zniavre [11:20] plz tell me what is the respository of karmic [11:20] e.g. deb http:///launch [11:25] can i partially update jaunty with the updates of karmic??? [11:25] why would you want to do that? [11:26] i want softwares to be updated [11:28] om26er: you don't want to add the karmic sources to your software sources, you'll either get karmic or break your system by doing that [11:28] You can't mix and match with later distroseries [11:28] om26er: you can get specific ones from packages.ubuntu.com instead [11:28] what will happen if i add karmic respository in jaunty [11:29] ? [11:29] om26er: you'll probably get karmic [11:29] since all packages will be updated [11:29] can u give me that respo? [11:30] You'll either end up with a poorly managed complete upgrade to karmic, or a horrendous mismatch which NO ONE will want to help you with [11:30] om26er: are you sure you want to break your system? [11:30] np [11:30] then get the package you want from packages.ubuntu.com instead [11:30] om26er: I could, but I don't think I would be acting responsibly or in your best interests if I did. [11:31] ok then i try packages.ubuntu.com [12:04] Hi everyone. It's richardcavell here. I have a Macbook with Intel GMA 950. I installed all the packages from xorg-edgers, as well as Linux 2.6.30. Now X won't boot. I can sometimes hear the startup sound, and I usually get a mouse pointer, but otherwise a black screen. Any ideas? [12:06] Guest6103: are you using karmic? [12:07] rsk: No, I'm using Jaunty. But in order to upgrade my drivers I upgraded my Linux kernel (that seems to have worked okay), and I also upgraded all my video drivers to the edgy versions. [12:07] right then > #ubuntu [12:08] rsk: Okay [12:08] where did ubuntu-x go? [12:08] no idea, never been there [12:11] it might only exist periodically when they conference [12:26] Has the shortcut for the run dialogue and menu (alt+F2 and alt+F1 respectively) changed or broken? They're not firing for me at all. [12:47] anyone knows where the removable media volume mount options are stored? [13:03] Almindor: i think it depends on your desktop environment [13:09] found it via gconf-edit [13:10] just note, I hope you can change them via the volume options on unmounted volumes in the future too (it's kind critical people don't get locked out of their drives) [14:02] karmic a3 worked great for me , even setup my Creative Labs X-Fi card perfectly! === ds305 is now known as drs305 [14:44] anyone running alpha3, whats it like? [14:45] tux_: its like a2 [14:45] i never tried it [14:45] is bash 2 faster? [14:46] sorry grub 2 [14:46] doh [14:46] tux_: other than newer packages and breakage there is nothing that you might notice other than boot time is faster [14:46] grub was never slow [14:46] Why was totem-xine removed from karmic? [14:46] * gnomefreak not sure how grub could be fast/slow [14:46] i tried empathy before and found it quite bland, have they changed it in anyway [14:46] pidgin seems polished compared with it :/ [14:47] oh hey added banshee didn't they [14:47] Fluffles: it wasnt [14:47] glad they got rid of rhythmbox, never liked it [14:47] !info totem-xine karmic [14:47] totem-xine (source: totem): A simple media player for the GNOME desktop (transitional package). In component universe, is optional. Version 2.27.1-1ubuntu6 (karmic), package size 48 kB, installed size 88 kB [14:47] gnomefreak, it was. The totem-xine package is now just an empty transitional package. [14:47] Fluffles: thats not being removed [14:48] are noticeable different using ext4? [14:48] s/are/any [14:48] it is now in the package totem [14:48] Ok, lets rephrase, why was the xine-lib backend removed from totem? [14:48] Fluffles: apt-cache show totem-xine look at the depends [14:49] Fluffles: now that is a good question [14:49] Provides: totem-gstreamer, totem-xine [14:49] Fluffles: it wasnt totem provides both of those now [14:51] looks like they made totem a meta package with both gstreamer and xine [14:52]