[00:10] <directhex> woo, mono-tools. i still wonder if there's any reason dh_installxsp couldn't be moved out of the xsp source package, to avoid the need for a merge
[06:37] <superm1> Riddell, it doesn't look like a new livefs or ISO got made for mythbuntu according to http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/karmic/mythbuntu/.  can you check and queue one up so we can try to still get a3 out?
[09:34] <tseliot> cjwatson: is it mandatory for debconf scripts to have "set -e"?
[09:34] <ogra> tseliot, i think it is
[09:34] <tseliot> ogra: I suspected that...
[09:35] <tseliot> thanks
[09:46] <cjwatson> tseliot: it's not mandatory as such, but it's usually a mistake to write *any* shell script that doesn't use 'set -e'
[09:47] <tseliot> cjwatson: ok, thanks
[10:09] <seb128> evand, hey, I did the usb-creator conversion to gtkbuilder it's waiting for review on launchpad
[10:09] <evand> seb128: thanks, I'll look it over now
[10:09] <seb128> evand, I kept the hack for the label thing the dialog looks weird otherwise since text is selected by default
[10:09] <evand> ah, okay
[10:10] <seb128> I first though that it was because the focus was not set on a button by default
[10:10] <ogra> hrm, the naming scheme of KDE is massively confusing ... so kde4libs builds kdelibs5-dev ??
[10:10] <seb128> but that was not it so I put the hack back
[10:10] <evand> hrm
[10:13] <seb128> evand, did I do something stupid? ;-)
[10:13] <tseliot> mvo: what kind of approach would you prefer for nvidia-common? Would an additional argument to the ctor of NvidiaDetection() be enough (so that you can pass it a text file)?
[10:14] <evand> seb128: I'm not sure :).  I'm a bit perplexed at why the text is getting selected.  I'll have to take another look at some point.
[10:14] <seb128> evand, well it means that the label is the widget getting focus by default
[10:15] <mvo> tseliot: hm, I lack some context here, is there a open bug aobut this?
[10:16] <evand> ah, I see that gtk.Label still has the annoying "I'm not going to expand horizontally" bug.
[10:16] <evand> seb128: gotcha
[10:16] <tseliot> mvo: you asked me to make it possible for nvidia-common to get the list of obsolete packages from a text file instead of hardcoding them into the program
[10:17] <evand> seb128: merged, thanks
[10:17] <MacSlow> Can I edit a comment on lp? Spelled something wrong
[10:17] <seb128> evand, thanks!
[10:17] <seb128> MacSlow, no
[10:18] <MacSlow> hm
[10:18] <mvo> tseliot: aha, right - yeah, I think a textfile should be fine. I guess no additional argument is needed, there is already the datadir, we can put it there (but I leave thta to you)
[11:01] <geser> doko_: should we remove "python3.0" from karmic?
[11:02] <doko_> geser: no
[11:04] <geser> doko_: isn't abandoned upstream and replaced with python 3.1? why should we keep it?
[11:05] <doko_> geser: do you see a replacement in the archive?
[11:08] <Riddell> superm1: your ISOs are at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/mythbuntu/daily-live/20090724/
[12:03] <CardinalFang> How can I find out the reason a package is "held back" from upgrading?
[12:05] <slytherin> infinity: Hi. Any luck in fixing powerpc buildd?
[12:22] <Gh0sty> I was wondering is there anywhere a place where we can make suggestions for the new ubuntu's?
[12:22] <Gh0sty> Like a wishlist kinda thing
[12:23] <SteveA> hi markgsaye
[12:23] <SteveA> you're having some trouble installing the latest alpha of karmic?
[12:23] <markgsaye> HI all, I'm wondering how to track down problems with fresh install of karmic alpha 3 and nvidia graphics (can't open /dev/fb0: no such file -> no X/gdm/etc)
[12:24] <slytherin> Gh0sty: It depends on type of suggestion.
[12:25] <Gh0sty> usability related things for example: why do i have to click the name in the logon screen if there is only 1 name there ... (I only want to enter password, just like windows logon screen ...)
[12:25] <ogra> Gh0sty, just hit enter then
[12:26] <ogra> its one enter more than windows
[12:26] <Gh0sty> was even wondering why they don't do a preload of everything from that user and lock the screen rather then waiting ... :p
[12:26] <ogra> becuause that would be a really bad idea on multiuser systems
[12:27] <Gh0sty> but on a single user system (like 90% of the users have)
[12:27] <ogra> how do you determine that number ?
[12:28] <Gh0sty> how do you determine how much users are in the logon screen? :p
[12:28] <ogra> ??
[12:28] <directhex> ogra, (face browser)
[12:29] <ogra> directhex, i read what he is typing, i just miss the connection
[12:31] <Gh0sty> btw: your suggestion of just pressing enter ... in my karmic version the user is highlighted but enter doesn't do anything
[12:31] <Gh0sty> i need to click it ...
[12:32] <ogra> is it up to date ?
[12:32] <SteveA> evand: hi
[12:32] <ogra> should actually work
[12:32] <Gh0sty> lets see
[12:32] <evand> SteveA: hi
[12:33] <directhex> Gh0sty, okay, i understand the issue, but i'm not in a position to reproduce it. if you can be 100% sure that it's not how you think it should be (i.e. avoid wasting time with bugs which are actually user error) then look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaperCut
[12:35] <SteveA> markgsaye: evand works on the installer and related things
[12:35] <Gh0sty> cool exactly what i was looking for directhex :)
[12:35] <markgsaye> evand, hi - I'm having trouble with a fresh install of alpha 3
[12:36] <markgsaye> evand, no X/gdm - had to install from alternate cd
[12:36] <evand> markgsaye: did the live CD not boot to a desktop?
[12:37] <markgsaye> evand, no, failed with X startup
[12:38] <Gh0sty> which nvidia graphics?
[12:38] <evand> markgsaye: that's beyond the realm of the installer then, and unfortunately beyond my level of expertise.  I'd suggest taking it to bryce when he wakes up, if that's okay.
[12:38] <markgsaye> nvidia quadro (I'll see if I can find out which chip)
[12:39] <Gh0sty> desktop or laptop?
[12:39] <markgsaye> evand, will do - thx
[12:39] <markgsaye> laptop
[12:39] <Gh0sty> i have a quadro in my thinkpad ...
[12:39] <markgsaye> HP elitebook 8530w
[12:39] <evand> markgsaye: sure thing, sorry I couldn't be of more help
[12:39] <geser> CardinalFang: try to install it and apt will tell you
[12:39] <Gh0sty> but i should first download the latest alpha again then
[12:39] <Gh0sty> did you have it too with the alpha 1 or 2 ?
[12:39] <Gh0sty> bb in 1 min
[12:40] <robbiew> marksgaye: have you tried installing Jaunty?
[12:40]  * robbiew wanting to know if this is a regression
[12:41] <robbiew> marksgaye: you could try installing Jaunty (assuming it works), then run 'sudo update-manager -d' from the command line to get to Karmic Alpha 3
[12:41] <markgsaye> robbiew, Jaunty was fine
[12:42] <markgsaye> robbiew, I _could_ do that, but I like to keep different releases on separate partitions
[12:42] <robbiew> ah
[12:42] <markgsaye> robbiew, I guess I could install base Jaunty on this (karmic) partition, then upgrade
[12:42] <robbiew> ;)
[12:42] <robbiew> or wait for Bryce
[12:43] <robbiew> just giving you options
[12:43] <Gh0sty> markgsaye: x86 or A64?
[12:43] <markgsaye> Gh0sty, amd64
[12:43] <Gh0sty> ok downloading alpha 3
[12:43] <Gh0sty> lets see if i can reproduce
[12:43] <markgsaye> nvidia-detector returns "none"
[12:44]  * robbiew runs karmic alpha 3 on my desktop at home amd64...but I upgraded :/
[12:44] <markgsaye> I have nvidia quadro fx 770m (G96GL) according to Jaunty's Xorg log
[12:44]  * robbiew leaves to upgrade his laptop
[12:45] <Gh0sty> damn
[12:45] <Gh0sty> upgrading actually worked for the login issue :p
[12:46] <ogra> heh
[12:48] <Gh0sty> hm i have a quadro fx 570M (rev a1)
[12:52]  * markgsaye grabs some lunch
[12:59]  * jdstrand wonders out loud if the fact that all his schroots are mounted and available in nautilus are due to bug #396448
[13:55] <Gh0sty> markgsaye: the moment of truth! :)
[13:55] <markgsaye> Gh0sty, hey - I installed nvidia-180-kernel-source and got X to start
[13:56] <markgsaye> Gh0sty, but then nvidia-settings locked the machine up when trying to activate external monitor
[13:56] <Gh0sty> *booting*
[13:58] <Gh0sty> activating nvidia driver 180
[13:58] <Gh0sty> so far i still have a gui ...
[13:58] <Gh0sty> hmmm
[13:59] <Gh0sty> it finds me 2 nvidia drivers
[13:59] <Gh0sty> but if i try to activate one
[13:59] <Gh0sty> i get an empty window with a "forbidden" sign ... :p
[13:59] <Gh0sty> but is that even possible? activating nvidia driver in livecd mode?
[14:03] <directhex> i don't think it is
[14:24] <markgsaye> Gh0sty, nvidia-settings is crashing my system - any suggestions?
[14:26] <Gh0sty> you still with normal repos?
[14:26] <Gh0sty> cause i run for a long time already beta drivers on my quadro
[14:27] <Gh0sty> its also still running intrepid
[14:27] <markgsaye> Gh0sty, everything is stock Karmic repos
[14:27] <Gh0sty> but thats more because i ran into trouble upgrading to jaunty
[14:27] <Gh0sty> but thats my own fault ;)
[14:34] <rtg_> cjwatson, slangasek: I think I understand most of the rfkill issues. Can you review my proposed changes at http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~rtg/wireless-tools.diff ? Once its uploaded I'll change acpi-support to use the rfkill application.
[14:36] <doko_> rtg_: does debian/copyright need an update?
[14:37] <rtg_> doko_, I added COPYING.rfkill. Should I just cat it on to the end of copyright?
[14:38] <doko_> rtg_: yes, if it's not already there (didn't check)
[14:38] <rtg_> doko_, ok, I'll figure it out.
[14:38] <doko_> and maybe say, for which files/directory it does apply
[15:07] <ogra> doko_, is haifa enabled in our gcc by default ? and is there an option i can use to disable it ?
[15:08] <doko_> ogra: iirc, since ages
[15:08] <ogra> do i have any option to disable it without rebuilding gcc ?
[15:14] <rtg_> doko_, updated http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~rtg/wireless-tools.diff. I just appended copyright and README to existing debian/copyright and debian/README.Debian so dh_installdocs does the right thing.
[15:15] <doko_> ogra: no, it was enabled by default in 1997 ...
[15:16] <ogra> doko_, thanks
[15:17] <ion> Haifa? A city in Israel? :-)
[15:18] <ogra> yeah, you send them your code and they optimize it for you :)
[15:20] <ion> A bit like SpinVox speech recognition.
[15:21] <ogra> nah, better ... they remove all the zeros between the ones ;)
[16:23] <Riddell> evand: have you seen shtylman's kde theme branch?  can I merge it into ubiquity trunk?
[16:23] <evand> Riddell: I have not seen it yet.  I'll look it over later today.
[16:24] <Riddell> evand: groovy, you can merge it in then if you're happy with it
[16:24] <evand> will do
[16:46] <davmor2> Any one else having issues with machines switching them selves on?
[17:36] <superm1> Keybuk, how come lp:~scott/udev/master isn't pulling new git checkouts?  is it a manual process?
[17:37] <Keybuk> yes
[17:37] <superm1> oh that would explain it :)
[17:39] <ogra> he needs to sing special tunes and sacrifice chickens to kay for it ;)
[17:40] <superm1> I guess i'll just chekout using git protocol then
[17:41] <Keybuk> pushed an update for that branch
[17:41] <superm1> cool thanks
[18:26] <rickspencer3> didrocks: anything interesting to share with the channel?
[18:43] <didrocks> rickspencer3: oh sure, quickly 0.1 is released \o/ Check it out (https://launchpad.net/quickly)!
[19:12] <floryn90> hi
[19:12] <floryn90> i have one suggestion
[20:15] <mnabil> kancerman,
[20:15] <mnabil> sorry
[20:25]  * blackxored greets everyone in #ubuntu-devel
[20:51] <maxb> One of the problems with turning the Firefox search box into an Ubuntu Google Custom Search, is it means Google is rather more aggressive at pushing ads at you on the result page :-(
[22:15] <directhex> maxb, and lacks little things like links to maps, images, etc