[00:00] and sea water [00:00] yeah [00:00] ok either I'm to sleepy [00:01] me too [00:01] or you guys are messing my jokes on purposed [00:01] the 1st joke was meant to asac not fta2 [00:01] hehe [00:01] the 2nd to fta not asac [00:02] yeah its funny, but i am too tired to recognize [00:02] ;) [00:02] so i will leave the room 'night! [00:02] night [00:02] maybe my dreams will tell me whats going on with npw [00:02] that would be better than debugging it ;) [00:03] you dream of work? [00:03] when I dream, I dream with nice stuff [00:03] like travels, girls, food, fun [00:03] aha ;) [00:03] work is fun for me ;) [00:04] but no, i dont dream of work [00:04] my dreams get work done ;) [00:04] (12:02:39 AM) asac: maybe my dreams will tell me whats going on with npw [00:04] ahhahaahahah [00:04] g'night asac [00:06] hey ricspencer3 [00:07] i'll call it a day too, my desktop is still scratching the disks like crazy [00:08] too many crashes and regressions today [00:42] asac: you might want to remind people that running devel versions of distros = unexpected surprises [00:46] micahg: good point [00:46] I kind of thought that you ran them to help test and stuff [00:47] yeah, and to try new stuff that no one's seen before and get feedback as asac wrote [00:47] if people want consistency, you don't install a devel release [00:48] I've found that no matter where I worked in software ... [00:48] Is that about that annoying search change? [00:48] yeah [00:48] of the vocal critics, some percentage always think you are an idiot, and some think you are evil [00:48] no matter what you do [00:48] wgrant: yes [00:48] hey wgrant [00:48] hi wgrant [00:48] Hi BUGabundo, rickspencer3. [00:48] look you guys know me [00:49] and I'm vocally against the co-search [00:49] "co-search"? [00:49] I have to say that I don't see how anybody could have thought it was a good idea, but strange things do happen. [00:49] it lacks lots of Google features, changes the expected behaviour of a browsers on cross plataform [00:49] wgrant: well, the primary goal is to learn what pieces of the firefox UI users use for different kinds of searching [00:49] sure add a new Search engine and make it default, on first time and *ask* [00:49] the only way to discover that required using the "custom search" page [00:50] Now Ubuntu even uses a different, crippled search engine to the rest of the world. [00:50] wgrant: +1 [00:50] this was only intended to use for a while in the alpha to inform how to develop feature s and such [00:50] I see. [00:50] wgrant: it's still alpha3 [00:50] I just find myself having to type google.com on awesomebar [00:50] That could have been explained somewhere, perhaps. [00:50] it's super easy to turn off [00:50] I keep telling ppl they have a search bar for that!!! [00:50] Because lots of changes like this stick forever unless there is much objection. [00:51] well ... this was never intended as an implementation [00:51] rickspencer3: I have no probs with it being *easy* to turn off [00:51] Also, you've just hugely skewed your results by doing this. [00:51] wgrant: how so [00:51] ? [00:51] I have probs with it changing a very key use, without prior knowlage [00:52] rickspencer3: Nobody is going to use the search box any more. [00:52] wgrant: which one? [00:52] there are four [00:52] rickspencer3: The top right. [00:52] Four? I only know of three. [00:53] hehe [00:53] the two changes from the add on are: [00:53] 1. new tab brings up the search page [00:53] 2. All searches go through custom search [00:53] (again #2 is just an artifact of collecting the data, and .. [00:53] is not meant to be an implementation) [00:54] wgrant: rickspencer3 even awesomebar now makes use of it :( [00:54] BUGabundo: right, that's one of the four places [00:54] rickspencer3: I opened a bug on the NewTab [00:54] rickspencer3: You couldn't use a redirector? [00:54] I like to have a blank newtab [00:54] and now I can't! [00:54] wgrant: believe me ... this is hard than it may seem [00:54] BUGabundo: mmm [00:54] plus it breaks the Newtab==HomePage [00:54] yeah, I think if we do a new tab feature, it would need to be fully configurable [00:55] more code on FF yay :( [00:55] well, new tab was supposed to be a big feature in ff 3.5 [00:55] but it didn't make it [00:55] so this should be helpful for them if we see how many people do a search from new tab [00:56] sorry it's annoying, but like a lot of testing, it will be very helpful in the long run [00:56] BUGabundo: does it work normally for you if you turn off the add on? [00:57] let me restart FF [00:58] rickspencer3: No [00:58] I get a blank page [00:59] asac, I added a note for you on planet debian [00:59] why didn't asac tell me that in the 1st place!! [00:59] BUGabundo: is that not what you wanted? [00:59] rickspencer3: y [00:59] I'm confused ... [00:59] BUGabundo, asac left? [00:59] asac: went to sleep [00:59] it's quite late there [00:59] bluekuja: sleeping [00:59] like I should be doing [01:00] tommorow won't be a very productive day [01:00] hope I don't mess any server [01:00] or I'll blame you guys [01:00] heh [01:00] for starting this talk so late!!! [01:00] BUGabundo: before you go ... [01:00] shoot [01:00] BUGabundo, lol [01:00] 1am now [01:00] BUGabundo, you from? [01:00] portugal [01:00] 2 am here [01:00] are you saying that when you disable the plugin firefox works the way you want? [01:01] rickspencer3: yes [01:01] phew [01:01] one of the ~30 addons I have :) [01:01] had me worried there for a moment [01:01] why [01:01] ? [01:01] I replied "y" [01:02] as in Yes [01:02] I was confused [01:02] as I said [01:02] (12:58:45 AM) freenode: rickspencer3: No [01:02] (12:58:50 AM) freenode: I get a blank page [01:02] that was a reply to as in the plugin still works [01:03] right, but my question was ambiguous, "does it work normally" [01:03] in any case, I am not confused now [01:03] well ... maybe a little [01:03] :) [01:04] * BUGabundo $ sle -ep; echo load /dev/urandom /dev/eyes [03:58] asac. i'm curious, who ordered the implementation of multisearch? === micahg1 is now known as micahg [07:32] can we add a note on the FF lp bug submission page about not adding credentials [09:16] bluekuja: oh cool. didnt know you had a blog ;) [09:16] bluekuja: now you need to microblog ;) [09:25] bluekuja: did you talk to siretart yet too? [09:26] asac, he sponsored me bitstormlite, but now I'll have fische ready in like 2 hours [09:26] asac, are you available for it? [09:26] asac, btw what's microblog? [09:39] bluekuja: twitter/identi.ca [09:39] bluekuja: i will sponsor cgmail today. thats all i can do today. [09:39] asac, fische [09:39] you mean [09:39] cgmail is done already [09:39] bluekuja: no cgmail ... which is what you asked me todo [09:40] cgmail is already in, gonna mail you fische details in a two hours [09:40] bluekuja: did you send me a mail about cgmail? [09:40] asac, yes, but it got done [09:40] asac, [09:41] and yesterday i told you about fische I guess [09:41] ok. please update me if sponsoring requests get invalid ;) [09:42] asac, yep, sorry, I would have said that on IRC anyway :) [09:42] bluekuja: well, i almost did it last night ... that would have been wasted time ;) [09:42] asac, yeah, sorry m8 [09:42] bluekuja: anyway. fische is new upstream? [09:42] or bug fixes? [09:42] asac, yep [09:42] new up [09:43] asac, upstream included my changes [09:43] I'm so happy about it ^^ [09:43] great [09:43] they even took my gpl header [09:43] with my mail [09:43] lol === jtv1 is now known as jtv [10:30] asac, mail sent [11:11] bluekuja: bzr upgrade your branches ;) [11:12] e.g. just bzr upgrade lp:~bluekuja/fische/upstream.source and debian.source [11:12] k [11:13] bluekuja: so which revision is the last release? [11:13] (note that its important to have a release commit ;)) [11:13] asac, they were already updated [11:13] bluekuja: please do a debcommit -r [11:13] _now_ [11:13] k [11:13] and everytime do that when you upload [11:13] k [11:13] so which revision was the last released? 11? [11:14] no one [11:14] fische was never uploaded` [11:14] ? [11:14] it was uploaded yes [11:14] but branches has been created now [11:14] old ones were broken [11:14] bluekuja: the branches have commits from 2007 [11:14] dont tell me thats not old ;) [11:15] 2007? [11:15] yeah [11:15] http://paste.ubuntu.com/230030/ [11:15] debian one yes [11:15] yes yes [11:15] debian.source yes [11:15] i am current talking about debian.source [11:15] upstream probably has one commit per new upstream you upload [11:15] asac, rev 11 was latest [11:15] i see that it was latests, but did that match exactly what was uploaded? [11:16] yes, rev 11 was the one uploaded [11:16] it was a bug fix [11:16] k [11:19] asac, debcommit -r says me no changelog [11:19] asac, it tries to find it on debian/changelog [11:19] and not in ./ [11:20] asac, is there a way to add a path to search it? [11:20] like --dir ./ [11:20] bluekuja: you say in changelog that you got rid of your changes because upstream applied them, but you didnt remove anything (like a patch etc) in that commit [11:21] bluekuja: yes. -c [11:21] debcommit -c changelog -r [11:21] asac, yes, changes were made directly on the source makefiles [11:21] you should use debcommit all the time btw [11:21] e.g. add new changelog content [11:21] then run debcommit -c changelog FILE1 FILE2 FILE3 changelog [11:21] this will commit stuff using bzr using the changelog comment [11:22] asac, oh cool [11:22] bluekuja: directly to the source makefiles? [11:22] asac, yes [11:22] asac, some dirs were wrong on the makefiles [11:22] bluekuja: also debcommit will automatically attach your branches to the launchpad bug if you have like "LP: #xxxx" in the changelog [11:22] bluekuja: ok. so you modified the orig.tar.gz [11:22] in future dont do that again ;) [11:22] asac, yes [11:22] ok^^ [11:23] ok checking if it builds here on ubuntu ... wonder if there are any real improvements upstream [11:24] bluekuja: release commit pushed? [11:24] asac, just a second and its done [11:24] k [11:26] http://identi.ca/asac [11:26] asac, still tries to get it into debian/changelog [11:26] also with the -c rule [11:27] yeah its a bug [11:27] asac, that thing rocks [11:27] it's really nice [11:28] bluekuja: i think you might need to update timestamp; do dch -r -Dunstable; debcommit -r -c changelog [11:29] asac, to fix debcommit thing? [11:31] let's see if it works [11:33] asac, it doesnt work [11:33] asac, adds a wrong tag [11:33] asac, bzr tags >/dev/null 2>&1 [11:33] bzr tag [11:33] Created tag . [11:34] debcommit is a bit bugged, isnt it? [11:34] :) [11:36] asac, gonna make a identi.ca account later [11:37] bluekuja: debcommit is quite mature. i think the -r feature is new and probably buggy for top level debian branches [11:37] asac, yep [11:37] asac, going out for lunch [11:37] asac, need to dress up [11:37] ^^ [11:38] bluekuja: manual way is to: dch -r -Dunstable; bzr commit -m "* RELEASE 0.0-1 to debian/unstable" [11:38] asac, is the same for you if I do that later? [11:38] dch -r -Dunstable -c changelog [11:38] or need it now? [11:38] how likely is it that you forget? [11:38] :) [11:39] lol [11:39] I add a todo [11:39] bluekuja: oh. the timestamp of changelog is updated in a release commit [11:39] for it [11:39] so it would be better. just run the command line above [11:39] and adjust the version [11:39] its a matter of one second ;) [11:39] ok [11:43] asac, should be done [11:44] asac, wait email [11:45] asac, fixed [11:48] bluekuja: there is again no real release commit [11:48] bluekuja: you changed the email afterwards [11:48] uncommit twice [11:49] commit with the same message [11:49] then you are done man ;) [11:49] do you understand the purpose of release commits at all or do you feel thats a bad thing? [11:50] asac, yes, release commits are usefull for tagging an uploaded rev [11:50] anyway i can upload with current state. but please, fix it [11:50] into the archive [11:50] why are they useful? ;) [11:50] look now [11:50] asac, for you to remember which rev got uploaded [11:50] :D [11:50] for me as well [11:51] yeah thats the right apporach [11:51] without the need to ask which rev was uploaded [11:51] have fun [11:51] ty, gonna add you on identi.ca later [11:51] bbl [11:55] bug 512111 [11:55] Error: Launchpad bug 512111 could not be found [11:56] debian bug 512111 [11:56] Debian bug 512111 in iceweasel "iceweasel: Iceweasel disable Firefox upgrade checks" [Grave,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/512111 [12:02] asac: do you have the xulrunner-1.9 removal bug handy? you opened it from fix released to inprogress [12:03] we have duplicate [12:05] gnomefreak: removal? [12:05] gnomefreak: you mean the alternatives problem when you remove the last xulrunner? [12:06] the bug id should be in the last commits [12:06] i think i dented about it let me check [12:06] yes [12:07] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.2.head/revision/480 [12:07] hmm ... no bug id ;) [12:07] :) [12:07] * asac bad [12:08] the xulrunner bug list shoulndt be that long [12:08] bug 390664 [12:08] Launchpad bug 390664 in xulrunner-1.9.1 "package xulrunner-1.9.1 1.9.1~rc2+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: Unterprozess post-installation script gab den Fehlerwert 2 zurück" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/390664 [12:08] you would think. let me check [12:08] 1.9.1 has just 5 bugs [12:08] oh damn that was fast [12:08] you could have found it [12:08] ;) [12:08] i am sure [12:08] i was going to look [12:08] maybe thats the dupe [12:08] the other looked different iirc [12:09] not same bug. same bug not the one i was thinking of [12:09] 1.9 buglist shouldnt be too long either [12:09] hmm 128 bugs [12:09] all the epiphany crashes [12:09] i think someone should merge them into a sink that is wont fix ;) [12:10] i found all 4 of them [12:10] only they are not the one either. [12:11] nope no luck [12:11] bug 390664 bug 400848 [12:11] Launchpad bug 390664 in xulrunner-1.9.1 "package xulrunner-1.9.1 1.9.1~rc2+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: Unterprozess post-installation script gab den Fehlerwert 2 zurück" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/390664 [12:11] Launchpad bug 400848 in xulrunner-1.9 "package xulrunner-1.9 1.9.0.11+build2+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: el subproceso installed pre-removal script devolvió el código de salida de error 2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/400848 [12:12] asac: we have have issues some of these are not the same it looks like [12:12] bug 3.6190 is not the same as well this one is unusale but its his repos i think [12:13] asac: bug 390664 care to translate ? its either dutch or german [12:13] Launchpad bug 390664 in xulrunner-1.9.1 "package xulrunner-1.9.1 1.9.1~rc2+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: Unterprozess post-installation script gab den Fehlerwert 2 zurück" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/390664 [12:14] hmm [12:15] that looks bad actually [12:15] meaning we already had the same problem in jaunty and upgrades are breaking [12:15] why doesnt it happen for lots of other people [12:16] asac: dont know but thats like saying why does my sound not work and yours does :) [12:16] no its not [12:16] the prerm should fail for all that have only one xulrunner installed [12:17] does he only have one xul installed? [12:17] ok let me check in chroot [12:19] it doesnt happen here [12:21] persons set up? maybe. your using a chroot you use to build? [12:22] i dont remember the orig error saying anything about corrupt: [12:22] update-alternatives: internal error: /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/xulrunner corrupt: invalid update mode [12:25] i havent gone through all the logs yet but will start when i get back in. [12:27] yeah [12:27] i think the fix is like what we did to ffox [12:29] asac: m not sure if bug 404007 is the same as 270303 but i doubt it [12:29] Launchpad bug 404007 in update-manager "[karmic] Firefox upgrade warning is issued twice" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/404007 [12:29] i still need my smake [12:29] bug 27030 [12:29] Launchpad bug 27030 in kubuntu-docs "Missing dependency between kunbutu-docs and ubuntu-artwork" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27030 [12:29] damnit [12:29] bug 270303 [12:29] Launchpad bug 270303 in ubufox "MASTER - firefox (intrepid/jaunty): "your browser has been updated and needs to be restarted"" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/270303 [12:42] gnomefreak: that bug might need a backport [12:43] the update manager one is in Karmic it sounds like u-m and ubufox are warning him [12:43] i dont see anything bad in the last comments [12:43] looks good [12:43] that bug is fixed [12:43] "I just want to confirm that the latest upgrade (to FF 3.0.11) went very smoothly, with no repeated restart requests... only once. Thank you to everyone once again. you do good work." [12:44] ok i am out getting cigarettes [12:44] have a couple of calls afterwards and need to get some backup ;) [12:45] have fun [13:09] !info firefox [13:09] firefox (source: firefox-3.0): meta package for the popular mozilla web browser. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.12+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.9.04.1 (jaunty), package size 67 kB, installed size 124 kB [13:11] asac, back [13:16] yes let me check the upstream diff [13:20] bluekuja: there are no bugs closed in changelog. thats correct? [13:20] asac, correct, no one reported a bug in the last year [13:21] asac, perfect package [13:21] ^^ [13:21] http://identi.ca/notice/6931311 [13:22] asac, ty alex [13:22] asac, will you come italy? [13:22] * to [13:22] not this year ;) [13:22] aww [13:22] maybe another year [13:22] asac, where do you live in germany? [13:23] Hamburg [13:23] see launchpad ;) [13:23] there is a google map integrated [13:23] https://edge.launchpad.net/~asac/ [13:24] asac, aww that's far away from italy [13:24] yeah [13:24] asac, I wanted to come to meet you, but that's definitely far away [13:24] np [13:24] I live in the north-east part of italy [13:24] so near austria [13:24] you should visit one of our next ubuntu conferences ;) [13:25] next one will be where' [13:25] ? [13:25] though i think next one will be outside of EUROPE [13:25] aww [13:25] we usually have one in europe and one outsied [13:25] last was in barcelona [13:25] so this one is most likely US [13:25] I guess why no conference are done in italy [13:25] or maybe asia ;) [13:26] never heard of a debconf or ubuntu conf [13:26] in italy [13:28] asac, soon an italian friend will be DD, so I can meet him and have my key signed [13:28] heh [13:29]