[00:00] <BUGabundo> and sea water
[00:00] <asac> yeah
[00:00] <BUGabundo> ok either I'm to sleepy
[00:01] <asac> me too
[00:01] <BUGabundo> or you guys are messing my jokes on purposed
[00:01] <BUGabundo> the 1st joke was meant to asac not fta2
[00:01] <asac> hehe
[00:01] <BUGabundo> the 2nd to fta not asac
[00:02] <asac> yeah its funny, but i am too tired to recognize
[00:02] <asac> ;)
[00:02] <asac> so i will leave the room 'night!
[00:02] <BUGabundo> night
[00:02] <asac> maybe my dreams will tell me whats going on with npw
[00:02] <asac> that would be better than debugging it ;)
[00:03] <BUGabundo> you dream of work?
[00:03] <BUGabundo> when I dream, I dream with nice stuff
[00:03] <BUGabundo> like travels, girls, food, fun
[00:03] <asac> aha ;)
[00:03] <asac> work is fun for me ;)
[00:04] <asac> but no, i dont dream of work
[00:04] <asac> my dreams get work done ;)
[00:04] <BUGabundo> (12:02:39 AM) asac: maybe my dreams will tell me whats going on with npw
[00:04] <BUGabundo> ahhahaahahah
[00:04] <ricspencer3> g'night asac
[00:06] <BUGabundo> hey ricspencer3
[00:07] <fta2> i'll call it a day too, my desktop is still scratching the disks like crazy
[00:08] <fta2> too many crashes and regressions today
[00:42] <micahg> asac: you might want to remind people that running devel versions of distros = unexpected surprises
[00:46] <rickspencer3> micahg: good point
[00:46] <rickspencer3> I kind of thought that you ran them to help test and stuff
[00:47] <micahg> yeah, and to try new stuff that no one's seen before and get feedback as asac wrote
[00:47] <micahg> if people want consistency, you don't install a devel release
[00:48] <rickspencer3> I've found that no matter where I worked in software ...
[00:48] <wgrant> Is that about that annoying search change?
[00:48] <micahg> yeah
[00:48] <rickspencer3> of the vocal critics, some percentage always think you are an idiot, and some think you are evil
[00:48] <rickspencer3> no matter what you do
[00:48] <rickspencer3> wgrant: yes
[00:48] <BUGabundo> hey wgrant
[00:48] <rickspencer3> hi wgrant
[00:48] <wgrant> Hi BUGabundo, rickspencer3.
[00:48] <BUGabundo> look you guys know me
[00:49] <BUGabundo> and I'm vocally against the co-search
[00:49] <rickspencer3> "co-search"?
[00:49] <wgrant> I have to say that I don't see how anybody could have thought it was a good idea, but strange things do happen.
[00:49] <BUGabundo> it lacks lots of Google features, changes the expected behaviour of a browsers on cross plataform
[00:49] <rickspencer3> wgrant: well, the primary goal is to learn what pieces of the firefox UI users use for different kinds of searching
[00:49] <BUGabundo> sure add a new Search engine and make it default, on first time and *ask*
[00:49] <rickspencer3> the only way to discover that required using the "custom search" page
[00:50] <wgrant> Now Ubuntu even uses a different, crippled search engine to the rest of the world.
[00:50] <BUGabundo> wgrant: +1
[00:50] <rickspencer3> this was only intended to use for a while in the alpha to inform how to develop feature s and such
[00:50] <wgrant> I see.
[00:50] <micahg> wgrant: it's still alpha3
[00:50] <BUGabundo> I just find myself having to type google.com on awesomebar
[00:50] <wgrant> That could have been explained somewhere, perhaps.
[00:50] <rickspencer3> it's super easy to turn off
[00:50] <BUGabundo> I keep telling ppl they have a search bar for that!!!
[00:50] <wgrant> Because lots of changes like this stick forever unless there is much objection.
[00:51] <rickspencer3> well ... this was never intended as an implementation
[00:51] <BUGabundo> rickspencer3: I have no probs with it being *easy* to turn off
[00:51] <wgrant> Also, you've just hugely skewed your results by doing this.
[00:51] <rickspencer3> wgrant: how so
[00:51] <rickspencer3> ?
[00:51] <BUGabundo> I have probs with it changing a very key use, without prior knowlage
[00:52] <wgrant> rickspencer3: Nobody is going to use the search box any more.
[00:52] <rickspencer3> wgrant: which one?
[00:52] <rickspencer3> there are four
[00:52] <wgrant> rickspencer3: The top right.
[00:52] <wgrant> Four? I only know of three.
[00:53] <rickspencer3> hehe
[00:53] <rickspencer3> the two changes from the add on are:
[00:53] <rickspencer3> 1. new tab brings up the search page
[00:53] <rickspencer3> 2. All searches go through custom search
[00:53] <rickspencer3> (again #2 is just an artifact of collecting the data, and ..
[00:53] <rickspencer3> is not meant to be an implementation)
[00:54] <BUGabundo> wgrant: rickspencer3 even awesomebar now makes use of it :(
[00:54] <rickspencer3> BUGabundo: right, that's one of the four places
[00:54] <BUGabundo> rickspencer3: I opened a bug on the NewTab
[00:54] <wgrant> rickspencer3: You couldn't use a redirector?
[00:54] <BUGabundo> I like to have a blank newtab
[00:54] <BUGabundo> and now I can't!
[00:54] <rickspencer3> wgrant: believe me ... this is hard than it may seem
[00:54] <rickspencer3> BUGabundo: mmm
[00:54] <BUGabundo> plus it breaks the Newtab==HomePage
[00:54] <rickspencer3> yeah, I think if we do a new tab feature, it would need to be fully configurable
[00:55] <BUGabundo> more code on FF yay :(
[00:55] <rickspencer3> well, new tab was supposed to be a big feature in ff 3.5
[00:55] <rickspencer3> but it didn't make it
[00:55] <rickspencer3> so this should be helpful for them if we see how many people do a search from new tab
[00:56] <rickspencer3> sorry it's annoying, but like a lot of testing, it will be very helpful in the long run
[00:56] <rickspencer3> BUGabundo: does it work normally for you if you turn off the add on?
[00:57] <BUGabundo> let me restart FF
[00:58] <BUGabundo> rickspencer3: No
[00:58] <BUGabundo> I get a blank page
[00:59] <bluekuja> asac, I added a note for you on planet debian
[00:59] <BUGabundo> why didn't asac tell me that in the 1st place!!
[00:59] <rickspencer3> BUGabundo: is that not what you wanted?
[00:59] <BUGabundo> rickspencer3: y
[00:59] <rickspencer3> I'm confused ...
[00:59] <bluekuja> BUGabundo, asac left?
[00:59] <rickspencer3> asac: went to sleep
[00:59] <rickspencer3> it's quite late there
[00:59] <BUGabundo> bluekuja: sleeping
[00:59] <BUGabundo> like I should be doing
[01:00] <BUGabundo> tommorow won't be a very productive day
[01:00] <BUGabundo> hope I don't mess any server
[01:00] <BUGabundo> or I'll blame you guys
[01:00] <rickspencer3> heh
[01:00] <BUGabundo> for starting this talk so late!!!
[01:00] <rickspencer3> BUGabundo: before you go ...
[01:00] <BUGabundo> shoot
[01:00] <bluekuja> BUGabundo, lol
[01:00] <BUGabundo> 1am now
[01:00] <bluekuja> BUGabundo, you from?
[01:00] <BUGabundo> portugal
[01:00] <bluekuja> 2 am here
[01:00] <rickspencer3> are you saying that when you disable the plugin firefox works the way you want?
[01:01] <BUGabundo> rickspencer3: yes
[01:01] <rickspencer3> phew
[01:01] <BUGabundo> one of the ~30 addons I have :)
[01:01] <rickspencer3> had me worried there for a moment
[01:01] <BUGabundo> why
[01:01] <BUGabundo> ?
[01:01] <BUGabundo> I replied "y"
[01:02] <BUGabundo> as in Yes
[01:02] <rickspencer3> I was confused
[01:02] <rickspencer3> as I said
[01:02] <BUGabundo> (12:58:45 AM) freenode: rickspencer3: No
[01:02] <BUGabundo> (12:58:50 AM) freenode: I get a blank page
[01:02] <BUGabundo> that was a reply to as in the plugin still works
[01:03] <rickspencer3> right, but my question was ambiguous, "does it work normally"
[01:03] <rickspencer3> in any case, I am not confused now
[01:03] <rickspencer3> well ... maybe a little
[01:03] <rickspencer3> :)
[01:04]  * BUGabundo $ sle -ep; echo load /dev/urandom /dev/eyes
[03:58] <LLStarks> asac. i'm curious, who ordered the implementation of multisearch?
[07:32] <micahg> can we add a note on the FF lp bug submission page about not adding credentials
[09:16] <asac> bluekuja: oh cool. didnt know you had a blog ;)
[09:16] <asac> bluekuja: now you need to microblog ;)
[09:25] <asac> bluekuja: did you talk to siretart yet too?
[09:26] <bluekuja> asac, he sponsored me bitstormlite, but now I'll have fische ready in like 2 hours
[09:26] <bluekuja> asac, are you available for it?
[09:26] <bluekuja> asac, btw what's microblog?
[09:39] <asac> bluekuja: twitter/identi.ca
[09:39] <asac> bluekuja: i will sponsor cgmail today. thats all i can do today.
[09:39] <bluekuja> asac, fische
[09:39] <bluekuja> you mean
[09:39] <bluekuja> cgmail is done already
[09:39] <asac> bluekuja: no cgmail ... which is what you asked me todo
[09:40] <bluekuja> cgmail is already in, gonna mail you fische details in a two hours
[09:40] <asac> bluekuja: did you send me a mail about cgmail?
[09:40] <bluekuja> asac, yes, but it got done
[09:40] <bluekuja> asac,
[09:41] <bluekuja> and yesterday i told you about fische I guess
[09:41] <asac> ok. please update me if sponsoring requests get invalid ;)
[09:42] <bluekuja> asac, yep, sorry, I would have said that on IRC anyway :)
[09:42] <asac> bluekuja: well, i almost did it last night ... that would have been wasted time ;)
[09:42] <bluekuja> asac, yeah, sorry m8
[09:42] <asac> bluekuja: anyway. fische is new upstream?
[09:42] <asac> or bug fixes?
[09:42] <bluekuja> asac, yep
[09:42] <bluekuja> new up
[09:43] <bluekuja> asac, upstream included my changes
[09:43] <bluekuja> I'm so happy about it ^^
[09:43] <asac> great
[09:43] <bluekuja> they even took my gpl header
[09:43] <bluekuja> with my mail
[09:43] <bluekuja> lol
[10:30] <bluekuja> asac, mail sent
[11:11] <asac> bluekuja: bzr upgrade your branches ;)
[11:12] <asac> e.g. just bzr upgrade lp:~bluekuja/fische/upstream.source and debian.source
[11:12] <bluekuja> k
[11:13] <asac> bluekuja: so which revision is the last release?
[11:13] <asac> (note that its important to have a release commit ;))
[11:13] <bluekuja> asac, they were already updated
[11:13] <asac> bluekuja: please do a debcommit -r
[11:13] <asac> _now_
[11:13] <bluekuja> k
[11:13] <asac> and everytime do that when you upload
[11:13] <bluekuja> k
[11:13] <asac> so which revision was the last released? 11?
[11:14] <bluekuja> no one
[11:14] <asac> fische was never uploaded`
[11:14] <asac> ?
[11:14] <bluekuja> it was uploaded yes
[11:14] <bluekuja> but branches has been created now
[11:14] <bluekuja> old ones were broken
[11:14] <asac> bluekuja: the branches have commits from 2007
[11:14] <asac> dont tell me thats not old ;)
[11:15] <bluekuja> 2007?
[11:15] <bluekuja> yeah
[11:15] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/230030/
[11:15] <bluekuja> debian one yes
[11:15] <bluekuja> yes yes
[11:15] <bluekuja> debian.source yes
[11:15] <asac> i am current talking about debian.source
[11:15] <asac> upstream probably has one commit per new upstream you upload
[11:15] <bluekuja> asac, rev 11 was latest
[11:15] <asac> i see that it was latests, but did that match exactly what was uploaded?
[11:16] <bluekuja> yes, rev 11 was the one uploaded
[11:16] <bluekuja> it was a bug fix
[11:16] <asac> k
[11:19] <bluekuja> asac, debcommit -r says me no changelog
[11:19] <bluekuja> asac, it tries to find it on debian/changelog
[11:19] <bluekuja> and not in ./
[11:20] <bluekuja> asac, is there a way to add a path to search it?
[11:20] <bluekuja> like --dir ./
[11:20] <asac> bluekuja: you say in changelog that you got rid of your changes because upstream applied them, but you didnt remove anything (like a patch etc) in that commit
[11:21] <asac> bluekuja: yes. -c
[11:21] <asac> debcommit -c changelog -r
[11:21] <bluekuja> asac, yes, changes were made directly on the source makefiles
[11:21] <asac> you should use debcommit all the time btw
[11:21] <asac> e.g. add new changelog content
[11:21] <asac> then run debcommit -c changelog FILE1 FILE2 FILE3 changelog
[11:21] <asac> this will commit stuff using bzr using the changelog comment
[11:22] <bluekuja> asac, oh cool
[11:22] <asac> bluekuja: directly to the source makefiles?
[11:22] <bluekuja> asac, yes
[11:22] <bluekuja> asac, some dirs were wrong on the makefiles
[11:22] <asac> bluekuja: also debcommit will automatically attach your branches to the launchpad bug if you have like "LP: #xxxx" in the changelog
[11:22] <asac> bluekuja: ok. so you modified the orig.tar.gz
[11:22] <asac> in future dont do that again ;)
[11:22] <bluekuja> asac, yes
[11:22] <bluekuja> ok^^
[11:23] <asac> ok checking if it builds here on ubuntu ... wonder if there are any real improvements upstream
[11:24] <asac> bluekuja: release commit pushed?
[11:24] <bluekuja> asac, just a second and its done
[11:24] <asac> k
[11:26] <asac> http://identi.ca/asac
[11:26] <bluekuja> asac, still tries to get it into debian/changelog
[11:26] <bluekuja> also with the -c rule
[11:27] <asac> yeah its a bug
[11:27] <bluekuja> asac, that thing rocks
[11:27] <bluekuja> it's really nice
[11:28] <asac> bluekuja: i think you might need to update timestamp; do dch -r -Dunstable; debcommit -r -c changelog
[11:29] <bluekuja> asac, to fix debcommit thing?
[11:31] <bluekuja> let's see if it works
[11:33] <bluekuja> asac, it doesnt work
[11:33] <bluekuja> asac, adds a wrong tag
[11:33] <bluekuja> asac, bzr tags >/dev/null 2>&1
[11:33] <bluekuja> bzr tag
[11:33] <bluekuja> Created tag .
[11:34] <bluekuja> debcommit is a bit bugged, isnt it?
[11:34] <bluekuja> :)
[11:36] <bluekuja> asac, gonna make a identi.ca account later
[11:37] <asac> bluekuja: debcommit is quite mature. i think the -r feature is new and probably buggy for top level debian branches
[11:37] <bluekuja> asac, yep
[11:37] <bluekuja> asac, going out for lunch
[11:37] <bluekuja> asac, need to dress up
[11:37] <bluekuja> ^^
[11:38] <asac> bluekuja: manual way is to: dch -r -Dunstable; bzr commit -m "* RELEASE  0.0-1 to debian/unstable"
[11:38] <bluekuja> asac, is the same for you if I do that later?
[11:38] <asac> dch -r -Dunstable -c changelog
[11:38] <bluekuja> or need it now?
[11:38] <asac> how likely is it that you forget?
[11:38] <asac> :)
[11:39] <bluekuja> lol
[11:39] <bluekuja> I add a todo
[11:39] <asac> bluekuja: oh. the timestamp of changelog is updated in a release commit
[11:39] <bluekuja> for it
[11:39] <asac> so it would be better. just run the command line above
[11:39] <asac> and adjust the version
[11:39] <asac> its a matter of one second ;)
[11:39] <bluekuja> ok
[11:43] <bluekuja> asac, should be done
[11:44] <bluekuja> asac, wait email
[11:45] <bluekuja> asac, fixed
[11:48] <asac> bluekuja: there is again no real release commit
[11:48] <asac> bluekuja: you changed the email afterwards
[11:48] <asac> uncommit twice
[11:49] <asac> commit with the same message
[11:49] <asac> then you are done man ;)
[11:49] <asac> do you understand the purpose of release commits at all or do you feel thats a bad thing?
[11:50] <bluekuja> asac, yes, release commits are usefull for tagging an uploaded rev
[11:50] <asac> anyway i can upload with current state. but please, fix it
[11:50] <bluekuja> into the archive
[11:50] <asac> why are they useful? ;)
[11:50] <bluekuja> look now
[11:50] <bluekuja> asac, for you to remember which rev got uploaded
[11:50] <bluekuja> :D
[11:50] <bluekuja> for me as well
[11:51] <asac> yeah thats the right apporach
[11:51] <bluekuja> without the need to ask which rev was uploaded
[11:51] <asac> have fun
[11:51] <bluekuja> ty, gonna add you on identi.ca later
[11:51] <bluekuja> bbl
[11:55] <asac> bug 512111
[11:56] <asac> debian bug 512111
[12:02] <gnomefreak> asac: do you have the xulrunner-1.9 removal bug handy? you opened it from fix released to inprogress
[12:03] <gnomefreak> we have duplicate
[12:05] <asac> gnomefreak: removal?
[12:05] <asac> gnomefreak: you mean the alternatives problem when you remove the last xulrunner?
[12:06] <asac> the bug id should be in the last commits
[12:06] <asac> i think i dented about it let me check
[12:06] <gnomefreak> yes
[12:07] <asac> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.2.head/revision/480
[12:07] <asac> hmm ... no bug id ;)
[12:07] <gnomefreak> :)
[12:07]  * asac bad
[12:08] <asac> the xulrunner bug list shoulndt be that long
[12:08] <asac> bug 390664
[12:08] <gnomefreak> you would think. let me check
[12:08] <asac> 1.9.1 has just 5 bugs
[12:08] <gnomefreak> oh damn that was fast
[12:08] <asac> you could have found it
[12:08] <asac> ;)
[12:08] <asac> i am sure
[12:08] <gnomefreak> i was going to look
[12:08] <asac> maybe thats the dupe
[12:08] <asac> the other looked different iirc
[12:09] <gnomefreak> not same bug. same bug not the one i was thinking of
[12:09] <asac> 1.9 buglist shouldnt be too long either
[12:09] <asac> hmm 128 bugs
[12:09] <asac> all the epiphany crashes
[12:09] <asac> i think someone should merge them into a sink that is wont fix ;)
[12:10] <gnomefreak> i found all 4 of them
[12:10] <gnomefreak> only they are not the one either.
[12:11] <gnomefreak> nope no luck
[12:11] <asac> bug 390664 bug 400848
[12:12] <gnomefreak> asac: we have have issues some of these are not the same it looks like
[12:12] <gnomefreak> bug 3.6190 is not the same as well this one is unusale but its his repos i think
[12:13] <gnomefreak> asac: bug 390664 care to translate ? its either dutch or german
[12:14] <asac> hmm
[12:15] <asac> that looks bad actually
[12:15] <asac> meaning we already had the same problem in jaunty and upgrades are breaking
[12:15] <asac> why doesnt it happen for lots of other people
[12:16] <gnomefreak> asac: dont know but thats like saying why does my sound not work and yours does :)
[12:16] <asac> no its not
[12:16] <asac> the prerm should fail for all that have only one xulrunner installed
[12:17] <gnomefreak> does he only have one xul installed?
[12:17] <asac> ok let me check in chroot
[12:19] <asac> it doesnt happen here
[12:21] <gnomefreak> persons set up? maybe. your using a chroot you use to build?
[12:22] <gnomefreak> i dont remember the orig error saying anything about corrupt:
[12:22] <gnomefreak> update-alternatives: internal error: /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/xulrunner corrupt: invalid update mode
[12:25] <gnomefreak> i havent gone through all the logs yet but will start when i get back in.
[12:27] <asac> yeah
[12:27] <asac> i think the fix is like what we did to ffox
[12:29] <gnomefreak> asac: m not sure if bug 404007 is the same as 270303 but i doubt it
[12:29] <gnomefreak> i still need my smake
[12:29] <gnomefreak> bug 27030
[12:29] <gnomefreak> damnit
[12:29] <gnomefreak> bug 270303
[12:42] <asac> gnomefreak: that bug might need a backport
[12:43] <gnomefreak> the update manager one is in Karmic it sounds like u-m and ubufox are warning him
[12:43] <asac> i dont see anything bad in the last comments
[12:43] <asac> looks good
[12:43] <asac> that bug is fixed
[12:43] <asac> "I just want to confirm that the latest upgrade (to FF 3.0.11) went very smoothly, with no repeated restart requests... only once. Thank you to everyone once again. you do good work."
[12:44] <asac> ok i am out getting cigarettes
[12:44] <asac> have a couple of calls afterwards and need to get some backup ;)
[12:45] <gnomefreak> have fun
[13:09] <gnomefreak> !info firefox
[13:11] <bluekuja> asac, back
[13:16] <asac> yes let me check the upstream diff
[13:20] <asac> bluekuja: there are no bugs closed in changelog. thats correct?
[13:20] <bluekuja> asac, correct, no one reported a bug in the last year
[13:21] <bluekuja> asac, perfect package
[13:21] <bluekuja> ^^
[13:21] <asac> http://identi.ca/notice/6931311
[13:22] <bluekuja> asac, ty alex
[13:22] <bluekuja> asac, will you come italy?
[13:22] <bluekuja> * to
[13:22] <asac> not this year ;)
[13:22] <bluekuja> aww
[13:22] <asac> maybe another year
[13:22] <bluekuja> asac, where do you live in germany?
[13:23] <asac> Hamburg
[13:23] <asac> see launchpad ;)
[13:23] <asac> there is a google map integrated
[13:23] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~asac/
[13:24] <bluekuja> asac, aww that's far away from italy
[13:24] <asac> yeah
[13:24] <bluekuja> asac, I wanted to come to meet you, but that's definitely far away
[13:24] <asac> np
[13:24] <bluekuja> I live in the north-east part of italy
[13:24] <bluekuja> so near austria
[13:24] <asac> you should visit one of our next ubuntu conferences ;)
[13:25] <bluekuja> next one will be where'
[13:25] <bluekuja> ?
[13:25] <asac> though i think next one will be outside of EUROPE
[13:25] <bluekuja> aww
[13:25] <asac> we usually have one in europe and one outsied
[13:25] <asac> last was in barcelona
[13:25] <asac> so this one is most likely US
[13:25] <bluekuja> I guess why no conference are done in italy
[13:25] <asac> or maybe asia ;)
[13:26] <bluekuja> never heard of a debconf or ubuntu conf
[13:26] <bluekuja> in italy
[13:28] <bluekuja> asac, soon an italian friend will be DD, so I can meet him and have my key signed
[13:28] <asac> heh
[13:29] <bluekuja> asac, so I can ask the DM status
[13:32] <bluekuja> asac, the DM field can be added only when you get approved as a DM or also before?
[13:38] <gnomefreak> asac: did you change the new tab to blank tab or so far just thinking about it?
[13:38] <asac> bluekuja: i am not sure about DM procedure. at best get that info from somewhere else. i would just make guesses out of my guts
[13:39] <bluekuja> asac, ok
[13:39] <asac> gnomefreak: i made a firest comment in bug 402767 comment #8
[13:39] <bluekuja> asac, I'll let you when my key is signed
[13:39] <asac> we will post more info asap
[13:39] <bluekuja> * know
[13:40] <asac> bluekuja: yes, so far the key seems to be the main blocker - so lets see that happening first of all
[13:40] <asac> bluekuja: if you dont have many signatures consider to create a new one with high bitrate
[13:40] <asac> i am not sure, but there was a potential flaw nad a bunch of folks made a new key because of that
[13:41] <asac> fta2: so we might finally get new nss
[13:41] <gnomefreak> 3.5 is fixed atleast
[13:41] <asac> for hardy and newer
[13:41] <bluekuja> asac, ok, as soon as ftp-masters create his account
[13:41] <asac> bluekuja: you can get his signature before
[13:41] <bluekuja> asac, I gonna go to him to have my key signed
[13:41] <asac> its just not a signature of a DD before his account is created ;)
[13:42] <bluekuja> asac, but that doesnt count as official sign?
[13:42] <asac> if you get the signature now, it will count on the day he gets his account crated
[13:42] <asac> (assuming he uses the key he puts in the keyring for signing)
[13:42] <bluekuja> asac, true
[13:43] <bluekuja> asac, thanks for the hint
[13:43] <bluekuja> gonna talk to him later then
[15:02]  * gnomefreak hangs out for a little while. it doesnt look like i will be back until at least late next week after today
[15:59] <kenvandine> asac, so i assume the globalmenu is known to break ff3.5?
[16:01] <kenvandine> yup... that fixed it
[16:02] <eagles0513875> morning guys
[16:10] <eagles0513875> morning gnomefreak :)
[16:10] <asac> kenvandine: yes. thats crashy
[16:10] <asac> so you are a mac fan ;)?
[16:10] <kenvandine> asac, no... i hate mac
[16:10] <kenvandine> :)
[16:10] <asac> i think we should file a bug
[16:10] <asac> can you do that and try to get a backtrace?
[16:11] <kenvandine> but... i told myself it spend a week with that menu :)
[16:11] <kenvandine> yes
[16:11] <asac> against firefox-3.5 ... problem is that globalmenu is not even in the archive, so its probably not high prio
[16:11] <asac> i think global menu had a workaround for ffox 3
[16:11] <kenvandine> yeah
[16:11] <asac> and someone said to me they have to fix it for ffox 3.5 in the same way
[16:13] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/230629/
[16:17] <kenvandine> asac, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/404156
[16:17] <kenvandine> damn
[16:17]  * kenvandine fixes
[16:17] <asac> kenvandine: apport crash?
[16:17] <asac> kenvandine: thats ok it takes a bit till it gets visible to us
[16:17] <asac> crash triagers
[16:17] <kenvandine> yes
[16:17] <kenvandine> i made it public
[16:18]  * kenvandine removes the globalmenu now
[16:19] <eagles0513875> asac: might be a mac fan but still love kubuntu
[16:19] <asac> kenvandine: do you know an upstream place for globamanu?
[16:19] <asac> kenvandine: maybe you could file a bug there too and link them?
[16:19] <kenvandine> dunno
[16:19] <kenvandine> got it
[16:21] <kenvandine> it is already filed... and also filed in LP... i marked mine a dupe
[16:24] <asac> kenvandine: thanks
[16:35] <fta2> asac, http://code.google.com/p/v8/issues/detail?id=330#c6
[17:12] <asac> fta: thats fantastic news
[17:13]  * asac wonders if he finds the time to try a head build of v8 today
[17:35] <asac> fta: hmm am i supposed to fix ffox 3.6 still?
[18:24] <fta> asac, i didn't have time, busy with work, half of my team is in holidays
[18:24] <asac> fta: thats ok, just was curious if its still on our plate
[18:24] <asac> (as i dont get build failures :()
[18:26] <fta> asac, i played with the lp api last week, i have a way to expose our ftbfs, but it's too slow
[18:27] <fta> bug 369112
[19:15] <LLStarks> bug 506317
[19:15] <LLStarks> bugzilla 506317
[19:15] <LLStarks> ...
[19:15] <LLStarks> fffffffffffff
[19:23] <LLStarks> rick
[19:24] <LLStarks> asac bug 404246
[19:24] <LLStarks> can you replicate?
[19:24] <LLStarks> firefox 3.6
[19:24] <asac> i am out in a few minutes. i think i saw that on intel hardware a few days ago
[19:24] <asac> or i saw a bug about it
[19:24] <asac> now i am confused
[19:25] <asac> but dont see it here on ati
[19:25] <asac> LLStarks: are you running intel?
[19:25] <LLStarks> graphics?
[19:25] <asac> yes ... driver
[19:25] <LLStarks> yah
[19:25] <LLStarks> git
[19:25] <rickspencer3> oh, hi LLStarks
[19:25] <asac> yeah. then its probably a driver issue. actually i think it went a way ... maybe after restarting or something
[19:26] <asac> s/a way/away/
[19:26] <rickspencer3> this is probably a better place to discuss
[19:26] <LLStarks> no dice on restarts
[19:26] <asac> LLStarks: git directly or edgers?
[19:26] <LLStarks> edgers
[19:27] <asac> thats odd. when did it start?
[19:27] <asac> today?
[19:27] <LLStarks> 48 hours
[19:27] <LLStarks> i think
[19:27] <asac> can you see if downgrading the intel driver to whatever .deb you had before fixes it?
[19:27] <asac> would be extremely helpful as it would be quite a tight regression range
[19:28] <LLStarks> i'll ask the devs.
[19:29] <LLStarks> the edgers and karmic drivers are virtually the same though
[19:29] <LLStarks> and this is firefox 3.6 only
[19:30] <LLStarks> anyway, rickspencer3, who at canonical created and ordered the implementation of multisearch.
[19:30] <rickspencer3> LLStarks: why do you ask?
[19:31] <LLStarks> because the addon is causing quite a stir and you guys seem to be under some sort of gag order
[19:31] <rickspencer3> hmm
[19:31] <rickspencer3> not sure what gives the impression of a "gag order"
[19:32] <rickspencer3> I think I said all I have to say about the topic is all
[19:32] <LLStarks> asac and yourself have been quite suspicious with your choices of words
[19:32] <rickspencer3> how so?
[19:32]  * robbiew tries to understand what the big deal is
[19:33] <LLStarks> and you guys shoved this in 3 different versions of firefox including the ppa versions.
[19:33] <rickspencer3> right
[19:33] <LLStarks> 3.0 main. 3.5 main. 3.6 ppa. 3.5 ppa. 3.0 ppa.
[19:34]  * asac drops a quick note before leaving that this is the the case because all firefox versions share the same location for extensions
[19:34] <rickspencer3> bye bye asac
[19:34] <rickspencer3> have a good weekend
[19:34] <LLStarks> yes, but it was coded to work with all 3 versions.
[19:34] <asac> u2
[19:34] <rickspencer3> tx
[19:34] <LLStarks> including 3.6
[19:34] <rickspencer3> right
[19:35] <LLStarks> you wanted a catch-all testing audience
[19:35] <LLStarks> even the trunk users
[19:35] <rickspencer3> I think it was what asac said
[19:35] <e-jat> bye asac
[19:35] <rickspencer3> and we just wanted to try it out
[19:35] <LLStarks> then the behavior should've been well-documented
[19:35] <LLStarks> and included in the alpha 3 release notes
[19:36] <rickspencer3> hmm
[19:36] <rickspencer3> that's a fair point
[19:37] <LLStarks> even the most casual alpha 3 tester will think "somebody broke teh google"
[19:38] <rickspencer3> ok
[19:38] <robbiew> LLStarks: I'm confused...what's the big issue? the casual user is notified of the new plug-in at startup...if they don't like it...remove/disable it
[19:38] <LLStarks> i never saw such notification.
[19:39] <LLStarks> my point is, i see no need for all the secrecy. this change was readily apparent yet delivered stealthily with no warning or explanation.
[19:39] <rickspencer3> ok, noted
[19:39] <LLStarks> to the end-user
[19:39] <rickspencer3> this point has been made
[19:39] <LLStarks> what will be done to rectify that?
[19:39] <rickspencer3> rectify what?
[19:40] <LLStarks> the whole situation. canonical needs to improve or remove the extension with all deliberate speed.
[19:40] <rickspencer3> why?
[19:40] <robbiew> LLStarks: I did..checked it out...and didn't really care
[19:40] <LLStarks> the data collection can achieved without the fugly changes that have been made.
[19:41] <LLStarks> *can be
[19:41] <rickspencer3> no they can't
[19:41] <rickspencer3> as I said in my response
[19:41] <rickspencer3> on the bug
[19:42] <LLStarks> google custom search can be modified using an api, can it not?
[19:42] <LLStarks> http://code.google.com/apis/customsearch/
[19:42] <rickspencer3> not sure about that
[19:42] <LLStarks> it should be quite simple to restore core google functionality like images and news
[19:42] <rickspencer3> yeah
[19:43] <rickspencer3> as I mentioned in the bug, I understand that this is important to users
[19:43] <rickspencer3> and we won't proceed to make any real changes without taking that into account
[19:44] <rickspencer3> that was, in fact, the primary regression that was identified by the original bug reporter
[19:49] <LLStarks> rickspencer3. what data specifically is collected?
[19:49] <rickspencer3> each of the four areas that a user can search from has a channel id
[19:50] <rickspencer3> this data is passed to Google today
[19:50] <rickspencer3> we changed those identifiers so that we could, in turn, see which channels are used
[19:51] <rickspencer3> then we can use the same google tools that are commonly used for analysing search traffic and click throughs
[19:51] <rickspencer3> so essentially, we just get a scope on the google analytics
[19:52] <rickspencer3> LLStarks: is getting near my lunch time
[19:52] <LLStarks> okay. same here.
[19:53] <rickspencer3> anything other questions I can answer, etc..?
[19:53] <LLStarks> who is handling the data?
[19:53] <rickspencer3> (not trying to shut you up, but my stomach is growling ;) )
[19:53] <rickspencer3> well, Google handles the data for everybody
[19:53] <fta> asac, u gone? did you fix ff trunk or should I?
[19:54]  * rickspencer3 hopes asac is gone to enjoy a much needed break
[19:54] <LLStarks> sup fabien. what's broken today? :3
[19:54] <rickspencer3> well "deserved" anyone, I sometimes wonder if asac ever "needs" a break :)
[19:54] <rickspencer3> LLStarks: does that make sense?
[19:55] <rickspencer3> Google only shares the data with you if you own the channel id
[19:55] <rickspencer3> it's normal web site stuff
[19:55] <LLStarks> rick, i guess so.
[19:56] <LLStarks> thanks.
[19:56] <rickspencer3> no problems
[19:56] <rickspencer3> and thanks
[19:57] <rickspencer3> what happened to robbiew?
[19:57]  * rickspencer3 goes for a sandwhich
[19:58] <fta> LLStarks, usual -daily breakage, i usually fix it 1st, but i've been busy
[19:59] <LLStarks> would gif rendering fall under that? or is this merely packaging issues?
[20:01] <fta> nope
[20:01] <fta> i really don't have time to fight all bugs in bugzilla
[20:06] <fta> not to mention that i prefer to package and experiment with new stuff
[20:13] <fta> reed_, mozilla/browser/app/firefox-branding.js is gone?
[20:14] <fta> mozilla 504953
[21:11] <BUGabundo> ola
[21:30] <fta> lo
[21:30] <BUGabundo> hey fta
[21:30] <BUGabundo> ehh
[21:30] <BUGabundo> poor asac... he is being head bashed
[21:30] <BUGabundo> on multisearch
[21:30] <BUGabundo> he doesn't even reply now :\
[21:31] <BUGabundo> and if he does show up
[21:31] <BUGabundo>  I have a few question for him
[21:31] <BUGabundo> many already asked all over the place
[21:31] <BUGabundo> this could have been done so diferently
[21:31] <BUGabundo> a blog, an email, telling us, user, all about it
[21:32] <reed_> fta: it moved to browser/branding/nightly/pref/firefox-branding.js ??
[21:32] <fta> reed_, too late
[21:33] <BUGabundo> hey reed_
[21:33] <fta> reed_, but even the new file contains broken urls
[21:34] <fta> +-pref("startup.homepage_override_url","http://www.mozilla.org/projects/%APP%/%VERSION%/whatsnew/");
[21:34] <fta> +-pref("startup.homepage_welcome_url","http://www.mozilla.org/projects/%APP%/%VERSION%/firstrun/");
[21:34] <fta> ++pref("startup.homepage_override_url","http://%LOCALE%.www.mozilla.com/%LOCALE%/firefox/%VERSION%/whatsnew/");
[21:34] <fta> ++pref("startup.homepage_welcome_url","http://%LOCALE%.www.mozilla.com/%LOCALE%/firefox/%VERSION%/firstrun/");
[21:34] <fta> (modulo the s/%APP%/firefox/ which is an ubuntu thing only)
[21:38] <reed_> hmm
[21:39] <reed_> fta: the www.mozilla.org ones are correct
[21:39] <reed_> for nightly
[21:43] <fta> for 3.5 before the release, it was always broken
[21:44] <fta> reed_, http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/3.6a1pre/firstrun/ is broken
[21:45] <reed_> yes
[21:45] <reed_> that's normal
[21:48] <fta> i don't call that normal, it's broken
[21:48] <fta> if the link is not supposed to exist, drop the entry in the menu
[21:49] <BUGabundo> fta: its always broken pre-release
[21:49] <BUGabundo> hence _normal_
[21:50] <fta> BUGabundo, broken shouldn't be normal
[21:50] <BUGabundo> eheh
[21:50] <BUGabundo> tell that to audio :)
[21:56] <fta> asac, !! what did you do?Using saved parent location: bzr+ssh://fta@bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.1.head/
[21:56] <fta> bzr: ERROR: Tags not supported by BzrBranch5('file:///src/bzr/firefox-3.1.head/'); you may be able to use bzr upgrade.
[21:56] <fta> oh, right, he's not there..
[21:57] <asac> fta: looking in for a moment
[21:57] <asac> i dont know
[21:57] <asac> i didnt do anything. just used the branch
[21:57] <fta> Tags not supported
[21:57] <asac> fta: oh. yes, i think i know
[21:57] <asac> fta: i used debcommit -r to create the release commit
[21:57] <asac> that seems to create a tag iirc
[21:57] <asac> just upgreade your local branch i guess
[21:58] <asac> i definitly didnt run upgrade on the remote branch ... i would have noticed that
[21:58] <fta> fixed 3.6 btw: http://paste.ubuntu.com/231483/
[21:58] <BUGabundo> yeah
[21:58] <BUGabundo> seems like FF3.6 now starts again
[21:59] <BUGabundo> but broke on my work debian machine
[21:59] <BUGabundo> no libgtk 1.7
[21:59] <BUGabundo> strange how Ubuntu is ahead SID :\
[22:01] <fta> we often are for gnome
[22:01] <BUGabundo> really?
[22:01] <BUGabundo> did not know that
[22:01] <fta> the french desktop guys are doing a good job ;)
[22:01] <asac> we are typically ahead for all things we take explicitly care of
[22:01] <BUGabundo> though our packages came from sid
[22:02] <BUGabundo> guys=seb
[22:02] <fta> +didrocks
[22:02] <fta> +lool
[22:02] <fta> all french
[22:03] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[22:05] <asac> fta: looks good. so nightly is now where the milestone branding is?
[22:06] <asac> seems so
[22:06] <BUGabundo> hi asac... doing better now?
[22:07] <BUGabundo> or still bothered by all the replies?
[22:07] <fta> replies?
[22:07] <BUGabundo> fta: naggings
[22:07] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:07] <BUGabundo> LP, forums, blog, irc
[22:07] <BUGabundo> who knows, even private emails ;)
[22:07] <fta> bash                           1170837  99.91%     64367 1084963   21386     121
[22:07] <fta> dash                           1169882  99.83%    184557  980553    4619     153
[22:08] <fta> what are the others using??
[22:08] <fta> probably popcon discrepancy
[22:09] <BUGabundo> let me see
[22:09] <BUGabundo> I have both
[22:09] <BUGabundo> on a clean install
[22:09] <fta> dash is the default sh, unlike in debian
[22:10] <fta> csh                              18615   1.59%       604   17551     448      12
[22:10] <fta> tcsh                             12466   1.06%       640   11499     322       5
[22:10] <fta> yeah! i'm part of the 1.06% !
[22:11] <asac> BUGabundo: no. i played ETQW
[22:11] <asac> and ran a couple of searches ;)
[22:11] <asac> lol
[22:11] <fta> bud id?
[22:11] <BUGabundo> ahahahaahah
[22:12] <fta> bug
[22:12] <asac> bug?
[22:12] <BUGabundo> asac: now for real. who is behind this?
[22:12] <asac> which bug?
[22:12] <BUGabundo> which me??
[22:12] <fta> your search thingy
[22:12] <BUGabundo> are there more!?
[22:13] <asac> BUGabundo: i dont understand why you are asking that.
[22:13] <BUGabundo> fta: which one? there are 3
[22:13] <asac> fta: there are a few ... multsearch is the tag
[22:13] <BUGabundo> asac: which? the bug joke or multisearch?
[22:13] <BUGabundo> asac: you know Im curious
[22:13] <BUGabundo> and you have been avoiding the subject
[22:14] <fta> just want to have a good laugh
[22:14] <BUGabundo> I won't presure you , of course
[22:14] <asac> its me. i want go get rich quick instead of chatting in this channel :-P
[22:14] <BUGabundo> share it with us
[22:14] <asac> i dont know what i can share that isnt in the content ;) ... really!
[22:14] <BUGabundo> if you have read what I wrote
[22:14] <BUGabundo> as several other users
[22:14] <BUGabundo> it would have been a much better UX
[22:15] <BUGabundo> *if* this was pre-announced
[22:15] <asac> fta: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?advanced=1 ... multisearch in the tag field -> go
[22:16] <asac> BUGabundo: thats true. but also consider that it wouldnt have changed a thing
[22:16] <asac> BUGabundo: users would be pissed off, talking about getting exploited, their human rights sacrificed and so on
[22:16] <BUGabundo> would have reduced the flames
[22:16] <BUGabundo> asac: see the Know Your Rights from mozilla?
[22:17] <BUGabundo> that's what _we_ miss
[22:17] <BUGabundo> I consider this an offence
[22:17] <BUGabundo> not from you, of course, but the distro
[22:17] <asac> BUGabundo: Know Your Rights was much more fuzz
[22:17] <BUGabundo> it changed something for worse , just so *someone* could have collected data
[22:18] <BUGabundo> that _we_ don't even know what it is, and what it is for!
[22:20] <asac> BUGabundo: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/07/24/%23ubuntu-mozillateam.txt
[22:20] <asac> read from 19:30
[22:20] <BUGabundo> time?
[22:20] <BUGabundo> ok
[22:31] <asac> BUGabundo: read it?
[22:32] <fta> BUGabundo, last chromium was not broken for you?
[22:33] <BUGabundo> asac: still reading
[22:34] <BUGabundo> am a slow reader
[22:34] <BUGabundo> that's why I have so much unread email
[22:34] <BUGabundo> fta: not on ubuntu
[22:34] <BUGabundo> I LOVE the NewTab of chromium
[22:34] <BUGabundo> 10000x better then FF
[22:34] <BUGabundo> plus it has recover pages woot
[22:39] <BUGabundo> I can't resist sharing this with you
[22:39] <BUGabundo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-94JhLEiN0l&
[22:39] <BUGabundo> asac: done
[22:39] <BUGabundo> I see we need to blame rickspencer3 instead :D
[22:39] <rickspencer3> I heard that
[22:39] <rickspencer3> :)
[22:40] <rickspencer3> rats
[22:40] <rickspencer3> BUGabundo: that link broke for me
[22:40] <fta> asac, all, any idea to improve the new chromium-browser man page is welcome
[22:41] <fta> btw, chromium has subpixel AA since today
[22:41] <BUGabundo> rickspencer3: I just copied it from FF, youtube
[22:41] <asac> fta: chromium-browser manpage ... do we really need that?
[22:41] <fta> asac, to please lintian ;)
[22:41] <asac> fta: chromium-browser
[22:41] <asac> exec: 87: -a: not found
[22:41] <fta> asac, it's not mine, it's from upstream
[22:41] <asac> (you asked if its broken)
[22:42] <asac> i usually ignore lintian ;)
[22:42] <fta> asac, yep, fixed in ~ucd2
[22:42] <fta> it was a bashism, proposed by upstream :P
[22:42] <asac> proposed? so you patched it?
[22:42] <fta> my /bin/sh is bash so i didn't notice
[22:42] <asac> ah
[22:42] <asac> yeah. better use dash
[22:43] <fta> no, dash had some nasty bugs for me in the past
[22:43] <asac> posh ;)
[22:43] <asac> at least that thing can do proper <tab> ;)
[22:43] <asac> does not this stupid autocomplete
[22:44] <fta> would would want to autocomplete in sh?
[22:44] <fta> my own shell is tcsh, not dash/bash
[22:44] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:44] <asac> yeah. then use posh. thats best
[22:44] <fta> !info posh
[22:45] <asac> posix-shell
[22:45] <asac> oh policy ;)
[22:45] <asac> hehe. yeah its annoying but you will write proper stuff
[22:45] <fta> as my own shell, i prefer c shells, not korn/bourne shells
[22:46] <fta> i like ^^, ! !!, !?2, etc
[22:46] <BUGabundo> wtf
[22:46] <asac> i think its the obvious choice for perlers
[22:46] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:46] <BUGabundo> I like bash/dash
[22:46] <BUGabundo> wfm
[22:47] <BUGabundo> asac: I'm seeing something strange on FF now
[22:47] <BUGabundo> when I open external links
[22:47] <fta> you probably don't spend the same time in shells as i do/did
[22:47] <BUGabundo> FF opens a new page, but I see the previous page, until the new one loads
[22:48] <BUGabundo> while before I used to see a blank page
[22:48] <BUGabundo> fta: I spend all day
[22:48] <BUGabundo> ssh debian servers
[22:48] <BUGabundo> svn
[22:48] <BUGabundo> rsyncs
[22:48] <BUGabundo> meld and diffs
[22:48] <BUGabundo> mv and rms
[22:48] <BUGabundo> lesss, nanos, and apaches
[22:48] <BUGabundo> and when I get home, I open a few more
[22:49] <BUGabundo> as I said
[22:49] <BUGabundo> wfm
[22:50] <fta> i made the switch to c shells when the "best" advanced korn shell was ksh, back in the SunOS 4 / HP-UX 8 days
[22:50] <BUGabundo> don't remind me hpux
[22:50] <BUGabundo> we still have too many on my job
[22:50] <BUGabundo> and the other job, is planning on getting new ones
[22:51] <BUGabundo> :\\
[22:51] <BUGabundo> they cost the double of intel ones :.
[22:52] <fta> asac, i don't like the header of the man page, "chromium-browser - the web browser from Google"
[22:53] <BUGabundo> errr
[22:53] <BUGabundo> chromium is not *from* google
[22:54] <asac> fta: yeah
[22:54] <fta> it's not *my* wordings, it's upstreams
[22:55] <fta> but they said suggestions are welcome, so here i am
[22:55] <asac> maybe chromium-browser: a free browser based on google chrome
[22:56] <asac> chromium-browser: a free browser similar to chrome
[22:56] <asac> chromium-browser: a chrome browser clone
[22:56] <fta> about:linux-splash says:
[22:56] <fta> about:linux-splash
[22:56] <fta> ‘Chromium’ vs ‘Google Chrome’
[22:56] <fta> Chromium is an open source browser project. Google Chrome is a browser from Google, based on the Chromium project.
[22:57] <asac> chromium-browser: fast and furious webbrowser, build from the same code base as chrome
[22:59] <BUGabundo> asac: gagaaagaga
[22:59] <BUGabundo> forget google, forget chrome
[23:00] <asac> chromium-browser: webbrowser developed by the chromium project
[23:00] <asac> :)
[23:01] <BUGabundo> better
[23:06] <fta> hm.. NSS_DISABLE_DBM
[23:08] <fta> http://codereview.chromium.org/160026
[23:08] <fta> i'm not sure we want that
[23:08] <fta> so far, my wrapper hides it, it intercepts -h/--help and displays its own usage
[23:09] <fta> asac, ^^, what do you think
[23:11] <fta> http://src.chromium.org/svn/trunk/src/chrome/app/resources/manpage.1.in
[23:23] <fta> gzip: stdout: Broken pipe
[23:23] <fta> tar: Child returned status 1
[23:23] <fta> tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors
[23:23] <fta> bzr: ERROR: There was an error executing tar to uncompress /data/bot/ppa/firefox-3.5_3.5.2~hg20090724r26132+nobinonly.orig.tar.gz.
[23:23] <fta> again
[23:23] <fta> bzr bd is broken somehow
[23:30] <fta> asac, i give up with that tarball, 3.5 still red in the ppa, fix committed, so maybe tomorrow
[23:30] <asac> argh
[23:30] <BUGabundo> asac: so when will the parter repo for flash instaler?
[23:30] <asac> why are our tarballs broken
[23:31] <asac> BUGabundo: ?
[23:31] <BUGabundo> let me get it for you
[23:31] <asac> that isnt a complete sentance ;)
[23:31] <asac> sentence even
[23:31] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:31] <BUGabundo> too much µblogging
[23:32] <BUGabundo> so, I did a fresh install, got restried extras, it pulled flash wrapper, I got the 64 bits .so and put it on disk
[23:32] <BUGabundo> only then I noticed I had the flash plugin installer and tried to remove it
[23:33] <asac> fta: so chromium opens the manpage if you start it with wrong arguments?
[23:33] <BUGabundo> but apt didn't let me, and now I always get a post install error
[23:33] <fta> asac, no, with -h or --help
[23:34] <asac> thats better than dumping it to console?
[23:34] <fta> asac, i asked james, remember? he had no idea. i gave him one of the faulty tarball, no news since
[23:35] <asac> BUGabundo: yes. thats a regression bug in the scripts
[23:35] <asac> BUGabundo: can you file a bug please?
[23:35] <asac> though there probably are some already
[23:35] <fta> asac, try /usr/lib/chromium-browser/chromium-browser -h
[23:35] <asac> hmm
[23:37] <asac> 231939
[23:37] <asac> BUGabundo: ^^
[23:37] <fta> asac, as opposed to my /usr/bin/chromium-browser -h
[23:37] <asac> bug 231939
[23:37] <asac> bullshit ;)
[23:37] <asac> 395653
[23:37] <asac> 398042
[23:37] <asac> yeah. those
[23:37] <asac> bug 398042
[23:37] <asac> bug 395653
[23:37] <BUGabundo> eheh so many dups
[23:38] <BUGabundo> its pick and choose
[23:39] <BUGabundo> lolol John marker my bug as a dupe bug 403246
[23:39] <BUGabundo> its not a dupe
[23:39] <BUGabundo> its a diff point!!
[23:39] <BUGabundo> related sure, but no dupe
[23:40] <asac> i didnt dupe it
[23:40] <asac> undupe it
[23:40] <BUGabundo> i'm
[23:40] <asac> done
[23:41] <BUGabundo> did it too
[23:41] <BUGabundo> LOL
[23:41] <BUGabundo> haah
[23:41] <BUGabundo> we said rthe same thing
[23:42] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[23:42] <BUGabundo> that should mark a point
[23:42] <BUGabundo> :)
[23:42] <asac> hehe
[23:44] <asac> fta: personally i think that git log shoing in less can be considered an improvement, but for -h i would prefer to keep it just dumped to the console
[23:44] <fta> me too