| artillerytx | anyone every installed ubuntu on Dell Poweredge 1750 | 00:09 |
|---|---|---|
| artillerytx | ever | 00:09 |
| axisys | when i ssh to a ubuntu box, how can I tell if it is installed from a desktop image or server image ? | 00:59 |
| giovani|home | axisys: running "uname -a" will print the kernel currently running | 01:00 |
| giovani|home | if it has "-server" on the end, it's the server install | 01:01 |
| giovani|home | i.e. "Linux lithium 2.6.27-11-server #1 SMP Wed Apr 1 21:53:55 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux" | 01:01 |
| axisys | giovani|home: hmm.. i guess i screwed it up then.. both server and client says generic for me.. i must have jumpstarted from desktop image | 01:04 |
| axisys | do i need to reinstall the server or they are same minus some desktop services and window manager ? | 01:05 |
| unRob | I've just installed my first server, screwed it up considerably just to learn, and will likely reinstall tomorrow. Any advices? | 01:25 |
| qman__ | axisys, they're not exactly the same, but for most tasks you can still do just fine from a desktop or alternate install | 02:41 |
| qman__ | if it's a high security or high performance type task where you need everything tweaked just perfect, I'd start over with the server disc | 02:42 |
| qman__ | otherwise, they use the same repositories and you can install all the same software | 02:43 |
| billybigrigger | hey all | 03:11 |
| billybigrigger | whats the easiest, quickest, and most accurate way of viewing incoming/outbound traffic? | 03:11 |
| axisys | qman__: thanks a lot | 03:25 |
| twb | The big difference is that ubuntu-server's default package list isn't available as a metapackage :-( | 03:37 |
| twb | So if you install -server you can just "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop", but not vice versa | 03:38 |
| canuse | £á£î£ù£â£ï£ä£å¡¡£è£å£ò£å£¿ | 03:52 |
| canuse | £á£î£ù£â£ï£ä£ù | 03:52 |
| twb | canuse: sorry, I only understand UTF-8. | 03:53 |
| Deevz | lol | 03:55 |
| jhujhiti | any libvirt experts? i'm getting virDomainMigrateFinish2:3046 : dconn=0xd77c20, dname=lua, cookie=(nil), cookielen=0, uri=tcp:agni:49152, flags=0, retcode=-1 and a receiver vm shutdown when i try to migrate | 06:34 |
| jmarsden | jhujhiti: It's a bit the wrong time of day (much of USA asleep, Western Europeans not yet awake). But you might try asking in #ubuntu-virt | 06:37 |
| jhujhiti | didn't know about -virt. thanks | 06:38 |
| jmarsden | No problem. | 06:38 |
| Eviltechie | I have this problem transferring a php script from one host to another. On the original, it works fine, on the new one, it does nothing at all. | 06:49 |
| jmarsden | Eviltechie: diff the php.ini on the two hosts, and check whether they have the exact same version of PHP? | 06:50 |
| Eviltechie | My php is a bit newer, and as far as I can tell, php.ini is the same | 06:50 |
| jmarsden | Copy the php.ini from one machine to the other and then use diff to compare them... no "as far as I can tell" involved that way :) | 06:51 |
| Eviltechie | He has fast cgi though | 06:51 |
| jmarsden | pastebin the script if you want, I can take a quick look at it. | 06:53 |
| Eviltechie | pastebin is down | 06:53 |
| jhujhiti | i seem to remember that there's a special fcgi version of php.. | 06:53 |
| jmarsden | pastebin is down??? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/ appears fine to me... | 06:53 |
| Eviltechie | You can't put php in there | 06:54 |
| jhujhiti | it's just text! | 06:54 |
| jhujhiti | *facepalm* | 06:54 |
| Eviltechie | PHP and other Web scripts are not allowed | 06:54 |
| Eviltechie | That's what it says | 06:54 |
| jhujhiti | really? because not only do i not see that, i see an option for PHP syntax highlighting | 06:54 |
| jmarsden | Says where? The site even has a PHP syntax highlighting mode... | 06:55 |
| jhujhiti | jmarsden: jynx ;p | 06:55 |
| Eviltechie | Ok, use this pastebin http://pastebin.ca/1505414 | 06:55 |
| jhujhiti | Eviltechie: i suppose you've done all the obvious debugging things like phpinfo() on the host that's acting up? | 06:58 |
| jmarsden | fopen() on a remote URL? That's disabled by most sane people ... are you sure the other guy has not disabled it? | 06:58 |
| Eviltechie | I am the other guy | 06:58 |
| Eviltechie | And it is enabled | 06:59 |
| jhujhiti | QED: insane =) | 06:59 |
| Eviltechie | I hope | 06:59 |
| Eviltechie | allow_url_fopen = On | 07:00 |
| Eviltechie | Any thoughts? Anybody? | 07:03 |
| jhujhiti | how sure are you that php is using that php.ini? | 07:04 |
| Eviltechie | phpinfo said it was loaded | 07:04 |
| uvirtbot` | New bug: #403888 in lsb (main) "lsb_release crashed with ImportError in <module>() (dup-of: 383697)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/403888 | 07:06 |
| cef | anyone had problems with python lately? I've just seen a few segfaults with landscape-sysinfo | 07:09 |
| jmarsden | Eviltechie: Your script produces no output for me when I run it in a test VM here with default apache2 and php5 installs... | 07:09 |
| Eviltechie | It dosen't work on my home computer either | 07:10 |
| jmarsden | But it does work on some other computer somewhere, right? | 07:10 |
| Eviltechie | Yes http://test.techmastertelecom.com/ivan/radio.php | 07:11 |
| Eviltechie | jmarsden: Any thoughts or are you as confused as I am? | 07:16 |
| jmarsden | I'm playing with it... give me a few minutes more... | 07:17 |
| jmarsden | I think some of the time the xsl file has a trailing blank line and your script does not protect against that? | 07:18 |
| uvirtbot` | New bug: #403898 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "package mysql-server-5.0 5.1.30really5.0.75-0ubuntu10.2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/403898 | 07:21 |
| Eviltechie | jmarsden: If you think that's the problem, how should I fix it? | 07:23 |
| jmarsden | I think you should not be parsing XSL this way at all, but if you insist... hmmm pastebin.ca is super slow to accept by fixed script... | 07:26 |
| jmarsden | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/229560/ # but with the php start and end tags around it :) | 07:29 |
| jmarsden | And BTW, why did you use fgetcsv() and then use explode() ... seems odd to do things twice? | 07:29 |
| Eviltechie | Well I really didn't know how to use either | 07:31 |
| jmarsden | Then please learn PHP *before* asking why your scripts don't work, and before using them on Internet-facing servers. Putting novice buggy PHp out there *will* get your server hacked, one day. | 07:32 |
| Eviltechie | Anyway, thank you so much for getting that to work for me. | 07:32 |
| jmarsden | No problem... but seriously... take the time to learn your tools. | 07:33 |
| twb | IMO PHP automatically is not worthy of trust | 07:38 |
| twb | Just because sufficiently learned hackers can create PHP code that is (nominally) secure, doesn't mean it's OK to deploy. | 07:38 |
| twb | But that's just one man's opinion. | 07:38 |
| error404notfound | can someone help me that why it asks me for a password here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/229564/ ? | 07:41 |
| === FFForever-Away is now known as FFForever | ||
| _ruben | is git member of the devs group? | 07:45 |
| error404notfound | _ruben, yes... | 07:45 |
| jmarsden | error404notfound: I'd try adding spaces either side of the NOPASSWD: tag ... I didn't know you could omit them and have stuff parsed properly...? | 07:45 |
| error404notfound | you can omit spaces, thats normal.. | 07:46 |
| error404notfound | i even tried killing all git sessions | 07:46 |
| error404notfound | strange, may be there was session of git even hidden from root, or may be someone was cloning while i kept killing sessions, after a reboot eveything works | 07:53 |
| error404notfound | thanks | 07:53 |
| === artillerytx_ is now known as artillerytx | ||
| artillerytx | any of you guys every installed ubuntu on a dell poweredge 1750 it can't find the NIC for some reason | 08:10 |
| === FFForever is now known as FFForever-Away | ||
| jmarsden | artillerytx: does the NIC show up in lspci -nn output, and if so, what does it show up as being? | 08:15 |
| artillerytx | jmarsden: yes it shows up as host bridge broadcom CI0B-E I/0 Bridge with Gigabit Ethernet rev 12 | 08:16 |
| acalvo | hi | 08:17 |
| acalvo | I'm trying to set up a PXE Server | 08:17 |
| acalvo | I've already have a DHCP server | 08:17 |
| acalvo | and I've set it up to point to my next server and search for pxelinux.0 | 08:18 |
| acalvo | I've also installed tftpd-hpa and tftp-hpa | 08:18 |
| acalvo | but when I try to get some test file from the tftp server | 08:18 |
| acalvo | I get a timed out warning message | 08:18 |
| jmarsden | artillerytx: It doesn't appear as an Ethernet controller? Hmm. Sounds like it uses an unsupported chip? | 08:19 |
| acalvo | I've changed the permissions for the directory to be owned by nobody:nogroup with r/w to everyone (777) | 08:19 |
| acalvo | does anyone know what could I be missing? | 08:19 |
| artillerytx | jmarsden: i mean its just a standard dell server | 08:19 |
| jmarsden | Old Dell hardware is not what I would call "standard"... do they support Linux on it themselves? | 08:20 |
| artillerytx | well i know of this model having ubuntu on it but they recommend i think windows server 2003 or something | 08:20 |
| jmarsden | OK... I'm not sure... Googling suggests people run Linux on Dell 1750 hardware successfully. | 08:21 |
| artillerytx | I don't think i did anything wrong | 08:21 |
| artillerytx | im getting a green light and orange light from the NIC port | 08:22 |
| jmarsden | Possibly relevant thread: http://www.mombu.com/gnu_linux/gentoo/t-dell-power-edge-1750-network-drivers-tg3-2660945.html | 08:22 |
| _ruben | artillerytx: you could try with several versions .. like 6.06, 8.04, 9.04 | 08:22 |
| _ruben | hmm .. tg3 has been a moving target in the past i think | 08:23 |
| artillerytx | _ruben: i have 9.04 right now | 08:23 |
| acalvo | ok, nevermind | 08:23 |
| acalvo | inetutils-inetd only listens ipv6 sockets | 08:23 |
| _ruben | ipv6 ftw | 08:23 |
| _ruben | too bad tftp doesnt do ipv6 yet i think ;) | 08:23 |
| jmarsden | Maybe we need a tftp6 :) | 08:24 |
| artillerytx | So... what should i do | 08:24 |
| acalvo | yes | 08:24 |
| jmarsden | And then PXE6 on motherboards :) | 08:24 |
| acalvo | but I don't think that for a local lan you'll need ipv6 | 08:24 |
| _ruben | acalvo: in a few years you would | 08:24 |
| acalvo | why so? | 08:24 |
| acalvo | for a local lan with less than 512 computers? | 08:25 |
| jmarsden | artillerytx: Do you have older Ubuntu CDs around to test with? | 08:25 |
| artillerytx | yeah i do | 08:25 |
| _ruben | because without it you wouldnt be able to access ipv6-only resources | 08:25 |
| acalvo | oh... well | 08:25 |
| acalvo | I expect to have ipv4 compatibility for a long time | 08:25 |
| jmarsden | Then try those and see if any of them work with that NIC... maybe you can get 8.04 Server to run. | 08:25 |
| artillerytx | jmarsden: i have 7.10 | 08:26 |
| * _ruben really doesnt understand why people seem to be so darn scared of ipv6 | 08:26 | |
| jmarsden | artillerytx: OK, try that... beats having to download more ISO images :) | 08:26 |
| artillerytx | yeah | 08:26 |
| acalvo | _ruben: old-school I guess | 08:26 |
| acalvo | ahahaha | 08:26 |
| _ruben | ipv6 could be called old as well | 08:27 |
| artillerytx | this server is soo loud too | 08:27 |
| jmarsden | artillerytx: If you have a spare PC, maybe start downloading 8.04 server on that, while you test 7.10 ? | 08:27 |
| _ruben | ipv6 was introduced 12 years ago or so | 08:27 |
| artillerytx | jmarsden: alright | 08:27 |
| acalvo | yes | 08:27 |
| artillerytx | jmarsden: i'll probly do that tomorrow | 08:27 |
| jmarsden | OK. Hope you find a way to get it working :) | 08:28 |
| artillerytx | im trying 7.10 right now if that doesn't work i'll try 8.04 tomorrow | 08:28 |
| acalvo | does anyone has set up a PXE server? | 08:28 |
| _ruben | yes, been a while tho | 08:28 |
| jmarsden | Same here. | 08:29 |
| acalvo | if the tftp server is not in the same machine as the DHCP server, it is necessary to set up another DHCP server? | 08:29 |
| _ruben | running smoothly .. gotta add support for jaunty someday soon though | 08:29 |
| jmarsden | acalvo: No. They can be on different servers. Do you have IPv4 tftp working yet? That would be a good next step :) | 08:30 |
| acalvo | yes, it is working | 08:30 |
| acalvo | and I've set up the DHCP server to point to the next server | 08:30 |
| jmarsden | Where next is the TFTP server, right? | 08:30 |
| acalvo | yes | 08:30 |
| jmarsden | Sounds good so far. | 08:30 |
| jmarsden | How far does an attempted PXE boot get now? | 08:31 |
| artillerytx | still not working | 08:31 |
| artillerytx | still can't find any network devices on 7.10 | 08:31 |
| jmarsden | artillerytx: Hmm. Is there any way to enable/disable the NIC in the BIOS screens...? | 08:32 |
| artillerytx | jmarsden: not sure i guess i will work on that tomorrow i can barely stay awake right now.. thank you for you help though goodnight | 08:32 |
| acalvo | jmarsden: I get an ip, but fails replying "proxydhcp service did not reply to request on port 4011" | 08:32 |
| acalvo | taking a look at syslog I see "Jul 24 09:18:57 infolinux inetd[4031]: tftp/udp: bind: Permission denied" | 08:32 |
| jmarsden | So the ttfpd is being run with too few permissions to bind to the port it needs... ? But you said tftp was working? | 08:33 |
| acalvo | yes, it is | 08:34 |
| acalvo | locally | 08:34 |
| jmarsden | Ah. Try it from a workstation across the LAN, and see if that works too. | 08:34 |
| acalvo | ok, it works | 08:34 |
| jmarsden | And no new log entries complaining about permissions? | 08:35 |
| acalvo | yes... Jul 24 09:28:57 infolinux inetd[4031]: tftp/udp: bind: Permission denied | 08:36 |
| acalvo | but, funny things, is that I've been able to get the pxelinux.0 file | 08:36 |
| jmarsden | Something is still wrong with the TFTP server though... I need to get some sleep too, but I think you should work on getting rid of that error message before going much further. | 08:37 |
| acalvo | in the DHCP server settings, under the definition of the subnet, I've added "filename pxelinux.0; next-server IP-TFTP-SERVER;" | 08:37 |
| acalvo | jmarsden: ok! thanks for your help! | 08:37 |
| jmarsden | No problem. | 08:37 |
| _ruben | acalvo: oughta be enough .. i do have quotes around the pxelinux.0 part tho | 08:39 |
| _ruben | though the permission denied error does remain strange | 08:39 |
| _ruben | perhaps a selinux/apparmor issue? | 08:40 |
| _ruben | tho that should show clearly in the logs as well | 08:40 |
| acalvo | well | 08:40 |
| acalvo | the inetd conf entry for tftp is: tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot | 08:40 |
| acalvo | however, looking at some tutorials, I should be able to set up "allow booting; allow bootp;" in the DHCP server | 08:45 |
| _ruben | same here | 08:45 |
| acalvo | but it seems to be obsolete | 08:45 |
| _ruben | dont have those in my dhcp config | 08:45 |
| acalvo | so weird | 08:46 |
| acalvo | _ruben: are you using dhcp3-server or dnsmasq? | 08:57 |
| ashish | hi everybody,i want to configure vicidial on ubuntu server.i hav einstalled ubuntu and vici-inst package but donr what should be next steps i have to follow? | 09:15 |
| ashish | any refernce links to configure vicidial on ubuntu? | 09:16 |
| _ruben | acalvo: dhcp3-server | 09:31 |
| _ruben | wonder how hard it'd be to package dhcp4 | 09:31 |
| acalvo | I wonder why all linux tutorials seems so straightforward before you really start following the steps | 09:39 |
| acalvo | _ruben: could you try a netstat -an | grep 4011 and tell me if there is any output? | 09:50 |
| _ruben | nope | 10:05 |
| _ruben | as in: no output :) | 10:05 |
| acalvo | I don't understand | 10:05 |
| === ogra_ is now known as ogra | ||
| ashish | any here who can tell me something about vici dial call center application for ubntu | 11:34 |
| Hasbro | ashish try #vici-dial-call-center-application | 11:49 |
| Hasbro | This channel's related to the actual Ubuntu-server operating system. Not third party software afaik | 11:49 |
| acalvo | well | 12:11 |
| acalvo | no luck setting up a pxe boot server | 12:11 |
| uvirtbot` | New bug: #403913 in bind9 (main) "package bind9 1:9.5.1.dfsg.P2-1 [modified: usr/share/bind9/bind9-default.md5sum] failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/403913 | 12:16 |
| autoditac | hi. is it possible to install debian lenny as a kvm guest on ubuntu 9.04 using vmbuilder? | 12:35 |
| axisys | where do I find the netboot image for ubuntu server? | 13:23 |
| axisys | i used image from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ | 13:23 |
| axisys | and that gave me -generic | 13:24 |
| BrixSat | hi | 13:25 |
| BrixSat | how can i check port forward? | 13:26 |
| Daviey | BrixSat: from outside the network, try and connect to the port.. | 13:28 |
| Daviey | What application is listening on the forwarded port? | 13:28 |
| BrixSat | rtorrent | 13:29 |
| Daviey | BrixSat: http://www.utorrent.com/testport?port=XXX | 13:30 |
| Daviey | change XXX to the port you forwarded | 13:30 |
| Daviey | (looks suitable) | 13:30 |
| BrixSat | ;) | 13:31 |
| BrixSat | does it have to be done in the machine where the port is redirected or it can be done on any other machine on the same network? | 13:32 |
| _ruben | axisys: the image is the right one, you just need to use the proper seeds when initiating the install | 13:40 |
| axisys | _ruben: i did not do autoinstall .. just network install .. | 13:41 |
| _ruben | axisys: still, the selection of the server stuff is done by a seed, tho im sure if its present on the netboot image, i'd guess it is | 13:42 |
| axisys | _ruben: my netboot extracts to this http://pastebin.com/f32a01c78 | 13:43 |
| axisys | _ruben: which file in there would decides for server or desktop image? | 13:44 |
| _ruben | the seeds are probably hiding in the netboot tarball .. the pxelinux* files might contain some hints as well | 13:44 |
| axisys | _ruben: those files are the extract of netboot.tar.gz .. | 13:46 |
| axisys | http://pastebin.com/f27352a8e is the contents of pxelinux.cfg dir's only file default | 13:48 |
| _ruben | dunno then .. i've only used the netboot images in conjunction with my own preseed file | 13:49 |
| _ruben | here's some hints: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=255249 .. it includes the contents of the server.seed which you could put on a web/nfs/etc server and point to it | 13:51 |
| === biczd is now known as brembo | ||
| axisys | _ruben: thanks .. let me take a look | 13:53 |
| uvirtbot` | New bug: #404099 in openvpn (universe) "please merge openvpn 2.1~rc19-1(main) from debian unstable(main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/404099 | 15:11 |
| shivek | I don't want my website links to be underlined. What's the html tag for removing the "underline" from hyperlinks. | 15:29 |
| === brembo is now known as biczd | ||
| biczd | hello | 15:54 |
| pmatulis | biczd: hello | 16:01 |
| biczd | hello pmatulis | 16:03 |
| pmatulis | biczd: w'sup in germany today? | 16:04 |
| biczd | i'm tryng to find some example of /etc/network/interfaces for wpa or wep or whatever :) | 16:05 |
| biczd | but i'm not in germany :) | 16:05 |
| pmatulis | biczd: no? | 16:06 |
| biczd | nu | 16:06 |
| pmatulis | nu? | 16:06 |
| biczd | no :) | 16:06 |
| pmatulis | where are you? | 16:06 |
| biczd | rome | 16:06 |
| pmatulis | ah | 16:06 |
| biczd | what about you | 16:08 |
| pmatulis | your ip is linked to a german provider | 16:09 |
| biczd | and? | 16:09 |
| biczd | its a box of my friend | 16:09 |
| pmatulis | ok | 16:10 |
| pmatulis | setting up wireless on server right? | 16:10 |
| biczd | nope | 16:11 |
| biczd | its already up | 16:11 |
| biczd | need to do something for close it | 16:11 |
| biczd | i mean i need something to protect it | 16:11 |
| pmatulis | yes | 16:12 |
| biczd | and yes is a little homeserver named "accessbox" | 16:12 |
| pmatulis | investigate wpasupplicant package | 16:14 |
| biczd | done tnx pmatulis | 16:23 |
| === FFForever-Away is now known as FFForever | ||
| mathiaz | bdmurray: hi - is there a way to get all the bugs that have been 'fix released' for packages relevant to the ubuntu-server team? | 17:23 |
| mathiaz | bdmurray: 'fix released' for a certain period of time (like last week) | 17:23 |
| teddy_ | is there any problems with using those motherboards with fakeraid? Is it not a hardware version of mdadm? | 17:23 |
| bdmurray | mathiaz: relevant to as in a specific list of packages the server team is interested in? | 17:24 |
| mathiaz | bdmurray: yes | 17:24 |
| mathiaz | bdmurray: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server/+packagebugs | 17:25 |
| RoAkSoAx | mathiaz, if you have some time, could you please review: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ipvsadm/+bug/402718 and sponsor it if it's ok? Thanks a lot. | 17:25 |
| uvirtbot` | Launchpad bug 402718 in ipvsadm "Please upgrade ipvsadm from 1.24 to 1.25" [Undecided,In progress] | 17:25 |
| mathiaz | bdmurray: I'd like to have a list of bugs that were fixed released during the last 7 days for all packages listed on https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server/+packagebugs | 17:25 |
| mathiaz | RoAkSoAx: I'll try to have a look at it. | 17:26 |
| mathiaz | RoAkSoAx: I'd also suggest to subsribe the relevant sponsor team - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess | 17:27 |
| bdmurray | mathiaz: bugs whose status became fix released or bugs that were changed to fix released by a changelog entry? | 17:27 |
| mathiaz | bdmurray: the former | 17:28 |
| mathiaz | bdmurray: we'd like to have such a list for SRU purposes | 17:28 |
| RoAkSoAx | mathiaz, Yes I already subscribed it. Thanks a lot :) | 17:28 |
| mathiaz | bdmurray: and make sure that important bugs are nominated for the SRU process and don't get lost. | 17:29 |
| bdmurray | mathiaz: yes, it should be possible with launchpadlib | 17:29 |
| bdmurray | mathiaz: that particular url or its equivalent isn't available via the api afaik though | 17:36 |
| mathiaz | bdmurray: right - I'm doing screen scraping for this | 17:38 |
| mathiaz | bdmurray: I've actually though about publishing a list of relevant packages | 17:38 |
| mathiaz | bdmurray: as the url above doesn't cover everything | 17:38 |
| mathiaz | bdmurray: especially new packages that are introduced in the archive | 17:38 |
| bdmurray | mathiaz: well should those get on that list? | 17:39 |
| mathiaz | bdmurray: it could be an option | 17:39 |
| mathiaz | bdmurray: but how to discover new packages to add to the list? | 17:39 |
| mathiaz | bdmurray: one solution: | 17:39 |
| mathiaz | bdmurray: look at all uploads made ubuntu-server team members and add the relevant ones | 17:39 |
| mathiaz | bdmurray: I'm doing something similar for the month in the archive post | 17:40 |
| === FFForever is now known as FFForever-Away | ||
| bdmurray | mathiaz: I think I have a fair bit of it written | 17:55 |
| DDzev | anyone installed Ubuntu 64bit on Dell PowerEdge R610? | 18:02 |
| StefanWray | By mistake, we installed Ubuntu Server LTS 8.04 32 bit version on a 64 bit Sun Server. Will this create problems for us? | 18:43 |
| ball | StefanWray: only if you want to run 64-bit software or use > 4 Gbytes of RAM <- this is a guess | 18:45 |
| ball | (does 32-bit Ubuntu support PAE?) | 18:45 |
| StefanWray | what is PAE? | 18:46 |
| mushroomtwo | Physical Address Extension | 18:47 |
| ball | a hack to enable > 4 Gbytes of RAM on a 32-bit processor. | 18:47 |
| mushroomtwo | on windows machines | 18:47 |
| StefanWray | i don't know if Ubuntu 8.04 LTS supports PAE | 18:47 |
| ball | mushroomtwo: I think NetBSD supports it, where present. | 18:48 |
| mushroomtwo | if you have more than 4GB of RAM, install 64-bit. you'll hate life less. | 18:48 |
| StefanWray | mainly curious if there are known issues with running the wrong version of Ubuntu server software | 18:48 |
| ball | mushroomtwo: that sounds like good advice | 18:48 |
| ball | It's not the "wrong" version, just one of two available choices | 18:49 |
| ball | it's only wrong if its a bad match for your application | 18:49 |
| ball | (or denies you access to important resources) | 18:49 |
| giovani|work | there's very few reasons to install 32-bit on a server | 18:49 |
| giovani|work | if your machine supports 64-bit | 18:49 |
| giovani|work | desktops are another matter (although not applicable here, just want to be clear) | 18:49 |
| StefanWray | our Sun Server X2200 has 2 GB of Ram and is 64 bit | 18:50 |
| giovani|work | ball / StefanWray -- ubuntu server's 32 bit kernel does support PAE | 18:51 |
| giovani|work | the desktop kernel does not, afaik | 18:51 |
| ball | giovani|work: good to know, thanks. | 18:52 |
| ball | hello ahe | 18:53 |
| StefanWray | so to conclude, we could remain using the 32-bit version of Ubuntu server on the 64-bit Sun Server, and it's not going to be a problem, but we might get better performance if we reinstall the 64-bit Ubuntu server package? | 18:53 |
| giovani|work | StefanWray: the performance gain is likely to be minimal for most apps, but for specific ones, yes | 18:53 |
| giovani|work | I'd advise installing the 64-bit version regardless | 18:54 |
| ball | StefanWray: Depending on your application, I'd try both and do some benchmarking | 18:54 |
| ball | Use whichever works best for you. | 18:54 |
| StefanWray | our apps are drupal and civicrm primarily | 18:54 |
| giovani|work | well, that's PHP as a binary | 18:54 |
| giovani|work | you won't see performance gains from PHP on 64-bit | 18:54 |
| giovani|work | in the vast majority of cases | 18:54 |
| giovani|work | if it's a lot of trouble to reinstall, 32-bit will be fine | 18:55 |
| giovani|work | if not, put in the little bit of effort now and go 64-bit | 18:55 |
| ball | giovani|work: there isn't a 64-bit php binary? | 18:55 |
| giovani|work | ball: there is, but you're not likely to see many gains from typical large php apps | 18:56 |
| giovani|work | the 32 vs. 64-bit speed improvements have to be specifically taken advantage of, you don't just fall into performance gains :) | 18:56 |
| * ball nods I suppose it's all interpreted anyway. | 18:57 | |
| giovani|work | it's interesting though -- I haven't seen many people buying x86 small suns | 18:58 |
| giovani|work | not that it isn't quality hardware ... just doesn't seem to be common | 18:58 |
| ball | I considered it, but eventually went with an HP ML110 | 18:58 |
| giovani|work | yeah, I'm a fan of Supermicro's gear | 18:58 |
| ball | ...lately I've been reading about their blade servers though. | 18:58 |
| giovani|work | right now work uses Dells almost exclusively | 18:58 |
| giovani|work | but I'm pushing Supermicro | 18:59 |
| ball | Does Ubuntu Server work with an HP Smart Array E200 RAID controller (including the ability to check on the health of individual drives)? | 18:59 |
| giovani|work | that's a question for HP | 19:00 |
| giovani|work | (i.e. does HP provide linux drivers and utilities to check said information) | 19:00 |
| StefanWray | With our Sun Server we'll also be pushing through a lot of video, although the streaming server will be on another box, and so will the encoder, so I'm guessing again that upgrading from 32-bit to 64-bit Ubuntu server package will not matter much for that. | 19:00 |
| ball | giovani|work: We bought the box with some sort of Linux license, but I don't recall the distro. | 19:01 |
| giovani|work | StefanWray: once again, the recommendation is generic -- go 64-bit if you have hardware that supports it, unless you have a specific reason to stick with 32-bit | 19:01 |
| ball | I wiped it and installed NetBSD | 19:01 |
| giovani|work | ball: typically this is a question for HP support though | 19:01 |
| ball | ...which works with the controller to an extent. | 19:01 |
| giovani|work | as it's going to likely be a commercial driver | 19:01 |
| ball | giovani|work: Hmm... I suppose I could call them. | 19:01 |
| ball | We do have some sort of support contract. | 19:01 |
| giovani|work | http://cciss.sourceforge.net/ | 19:01 |
| giovani|work | nope, there's an open source one | 19:02 |
| StefanWray | giovani | work: final question: is 2G RAM enough to support 64-bit Ubuntu server, or do we need 4GB? | 19:02 |
| giovani|work | StefanWray: the requirements are identical regardless of 32 or 64 bit | 19:02 |
| StefanWray | got it . . . thanks | 19:03 |
| ball | giovani|work: Perhaps I should ask them whether there's a monitoring utility though. | 19:03 |
| giovani|work | ball: yeah, typically the big vendors only provide RPMs | 19:03 |
| giovani|work | and often they don't work too well with "non-approved distros" | 19:04 |
| ball | Are RPMs binary packages? | 19:04 |
| giovani|work | RPMs are RedHat packages, which typically contain binaries | 19:04 |
| giovani|work | yeah, HP's support pages lists SuSE and RHEL as the supported Linux distros | 19:04 |
| giovani|work | s/lists/list/ | 19:05 |
| ball | Aha! cciss_vol_status looks promising. | 19:05 |
| giovani|work | indeed | 19:05 |
| ball | Excellent. I'm now actively considering a migration to Ubuntu Server | 19:07 |
| === apw is now known as cafetiere | ||
| giovani|work | if that driver/utility set does what you need, ubuntu offers cciss-vol-status as a package | 19:07 |
| giovani|work | http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/cciss-vol-status | 19:08 |
| === cafetiere is now known as apw | ||
| giovani|work | there are other utilities that may be of use to you mentioned on the CCISS website that are offered as ubuntu packages as well -- cpqarrayd, arrayprobe, etc | 19:10 |
| ball | giovani|work: that's useful to know, thanks. | 19:11 |
| giovani|work | ball: are you new to debian/ubuntu? | 19:12 |
| ball | giovani|work: yes. | 19:12 |
| giovani|work | what are you used to? | 19:12 |
| ball | (can you tell? ;-) | 19:12 |
| ball | giovani|work: NetBSD mostly | 19:12 |
| giovani|work | ah | 19:12 |
| ball | at least on production gear. | 19:12 |
| giovani|work | what kind of industry are you serving? | 19:13 |
| ball | These days? A small non profit. I run NetBSD on the file server and occasional support systems. | 19:14 |
| ball | Yesterday I installed a random NetBSD box to do the job of a terminal server) | 19:14 |
| giovani|work | gotcha | 19:15 |
| giovani|work | the only systems I've run NetBSD on are embedded | 19:15 |
| ball | Yesterday's box /should/ be an embedded board, but I don't have any laying around. | 19:15 |
| ball | ...and the box only burns about 30 Watts total. | 19:16 |
| ball | (40 Watts when it's thinking hard) | 19:16 |
| giovani|work | heh | 19:16 |
| ball | There is a gap here in my study where the machine used to be. Thinking about it, perhaps I should have kept the monitor. | 19:18 |
| ball | Oh well. | 19:18 |
| giovani|work | why do you need it to have a monitor? | 19:19 |
| ball | giovani|work: I may also use it for odd router configuration jobs, to look up documentation etc. | 19:20 |
| giovani|work | ah | 19:20 |
| ball | ...the terminal server role doesn't need (or benefit from) a monitor | 19:20 |
| giovani|work | I'd hope not :) | 19:20 |
| ball | ...though I suppose they'll also be able to walk up to it and type commands. | 19:20 |
| giovani|work | I like role separation | 19:20 |
| ball | (but they can do that from anywhere on the LAN now, without resorting to modems) | 19:20 |
| giovani|work | between servers and desktops | 19:21 |
| ball | giovani|work: agreed, but the terminal server role is trivial enough that it probably doesn't warrant an embedded board purchase. | 19:21 |
| ball | ...and using a computer may eventually help with logging. | 19:22 |
| giovani|work | I'd love to integrate some FreeBSD here | 19:23 |
| giovani|work | but we're all cranky and like everything to conform | 19:23 |
| ball | giovani: I'm impressed at how quickly I can bring up a server with Ubuntu Server. The OS takes a bit longer to install, but I don't have to build all the application software from source. | 19:24 |
| giovani|work | heh, yeah, welcome to the world of binary distros ;) | 19:24 |
| ball | ...and updates are easier. | 19:24 |
| giovani|work | the OS install can be incredibly streamlined obviously | 19:24 |
| giovani|work | I haven't done a cd-based install in years | 19:24 |
| ball | I'm told that blade servers come with software that lets you install from your desktop. I suppose with a large enough site you could use something like ROCKS to provision them. | 19:26 |
| * ball shrugss | 19:26 | |
| ball | I need some more modern hardware (the ML110 is on-site and in service) | 19:29 |
| BrixSat2 | :( i got port's forwarded to the server and still cant access 13000 :S | 19:40 |
| ball | 13,000 whats? | 19:41 |
| BrixSat2 | rtorrent | 19:41 |
| ball | Oh, I like rtorrent. | 19:41 |
| BrixSat2 | ball i cant seed because i do not know | 19:42 |
| BrixSat2 | online test says that port is not forwarded but in the router it is | 19:42 |
| ball | Perhaps your router's broken. Many seem to be. | 19:43 |
| BrixSat2 | no it is not it works ok all other ports are ok i added some after and it is ok | 19:43 |
| ball | Can you forward 13000 on your router's WAN port to 22 on your server and then ssh in via 13000 ? | 19:43 |
| ball | (just to check the forwarding part) | 19:43 |
| BrixSat2 | yes i can | 19:43 |
| BrixSat2 | ill do it in 2 seconds | 19:44 |
| BrixSat2 | http://campingave.dyndns.tv | 19:44 |
| BrixSat2 | be right back in 5 minutes | 19:45 |
| BrixSat2 | try 12000 in ssh ;) | 19:45 |
| ball | Why 12000? | 19:45 |
| ball | I thought you wanted to test 13000 | 19:46 |
| uvirtbot` | New bug: #403711 in samba4 (universe) "samba4 cannot mount cifs " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/403711 | 19:46 |
| giovani|work | ball: I presume (re: install from your desktop) that you mean something KVMoIP or IPMI based? | 19:46 |
| giovani|work | that's present in many machines, including Supermicro's regular servers | 19:46 |
| giovani|work | but there's really no reason to be booting from cd, if you have a TFTP architecture in place | 19:46 |
| giovani|work | then you can fully automate installs on a per-machine basis with all of the settings customized | 19:46 |
| ball | giovani: I suppose which approach you take will depend on how many servers you have to support. | 19:47 |
| ball | For me, currently, that's not many. | 19:47 |
| giovani|work | I suppose ... with a blade system, you're likely already over the limit of doing things manually if you're smart :) | 19:47 |
| ball | I heard IPMI mentioned during the Ubuntu UK podcast as an alternative to the WoL magic packet | 19:48 |
| ball | giovani: true. I'm mostly reading about blade servers because the day may come again when I need more than a handful of servers. | 19:48 |
| giovani|work | so, yeah, IPMI rocks | 19:49 |
| giovani|work | Supermicro has an awesome implementation of it (do I sound like a big enough Supermicro fanboi yet? ;) | 19:50 |
| ball | Perhaps I should read up on that. | 19:50 |
| giovani|work | but Dell DRAC and HP iLo aren't bad | 19:50 |
| ball | istr Supermicro used to make some well-regarded server mainboards. | 19:50 |
| giovani|work | yeah, they still do | 19:51 |
| ball | BrixSat2: nmap claims you don't have 13000 open, at least on campingave.dyndns.tv | 19:51 |
| giovani|work | they don't make entire ready-to-deploy servers | 19:51 |
| ball | giovani|work: any nice socket F systems? | 19:51 |
| ball | (I'm drawn to AMD's quad core 40 Watt chip) | 19:51 |
| giovani|work | but they make cases, and motherboards, and will sell them together, and you can either place your mb/hd/cpu in yourself, or pay an integrator to do it for you | 19:51 |
| giovani|work | however, they've gotten big into the blade market | 19:52 |
| giovani|work | they have plenty of Socket F stuff | 19:53 |
| giovani|work | (their A+ line is the AMD stuff) | 19:53 |
| giovani|work | s/mb/memory/ | 19:54 |
| giovani|work | but yeah, Supermicro's KVMoIP/IPMI has saved me a few times when machines have broken | 19:57 |
| ball | brb, phone | 19:57 |
| giovani|work | much less expensive than an IP-KVM device, and less hassle | 19:57 |
| ball | ...and that's in the blades, or in the chassis? | 20:03 |
| giovani|work | ball: both, their IPMI stuff is becoming standard built-in to their higher-end boards | 20:09 |
| giovani|work | for the lower-end ones, it's usually a $50-100 add-in card that you plug into the motherboard on a special slot | 20:09 |
| ball | Does HP's ILO let you do comparable things? | 20:13 |
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| giovani|work | kind of | 20:16 |
| giovani|work | it's probably more a matter of preference | 20:16 |
| giovani|work | the Supermicro stuff actually runs a *nix on the IPMI board | 20:16 |
| giovani|work | which you can script up and hack nicely | 20:16 |
| giovani|work | I prefer it | 20:16 |
| giovani|work | but the iLO and DRAC stuff is more corporate-friendly, definitely | 20:17 |
| * ball ponders | 20:18 | |
| giovani|work | I'm sure there's a demo system up somewhere | 20:19 |
| ball | I have to go, sadly. | 20:25 |
| ball | giovani: where are you btw? | 20:25 |
| giovani|work | ball: NYC | 20:27 |
| giovani|work | you? | 20:27 |
| ball | Illinois | 20:33 |
| giovani|work | Chicago area? or outside? | 20:34 |
| ball | Outside | 20:34 |
| ball | If I lived in Chicago I'd probably be working more. | 20:34 |
| giovani|work | ah ok, I was just in Chicago last week on business | 20:34 |
| ball | Closest I've got lately is Brookfield Zoo | 20:36 |
| === vraa is now known as vraa_work | ||
| giovani|work | downtown wasn't too nice to stay in | 20:37 |
| giovani|work | every eatery closed at 9-10 | 20:37 |
| giovani|work | difficult when you're working until 10pm every night :) | 20:37 |
| * ball nods | 20:38 | |
| ball | I like food, me | 20:38 |
| ball | I have to go, but I shall return. | 20:39 |
| ball | giovani: thanks for your help. | 20:39 |
| giovani|work | no problem -- talk to you later | 20:39 |
| Daviey | ball: IPMI really is the good stuff.. Out of band control.. iLo is also good | 20:53 |
| Daviey | (don't bother with the iLo upgrade tho) | 20:53 |
| giovani|work | Daviey: iLO has an IPMI compatability layer I think | 20:54 |
| ball | Daviey! | 20:57 |
| ball | Do both ILO and IPMI let me install an OS on a server that's across the campus (or across the room)? | 20:57 |
| * ball misses serial consoles | 20:58 | |
| ball | Same question for Sun ILOM. | 20:59 |
| ball | kirkland: ping | 21:01 |
| Byron_ | hello everyone. | 21:03 |
| === Byron_ is now known as Byron | ||
| Byron | I'm using vsftpd and I can't seem to get a newly created user to have FTP access | 21:04 |
| ball | Hello Byron | 21:04 |
| Daviey | ball: both IPMI and iLo provide a serial console functionailty | 21:04 |
| Byron | Also, I can't see to FTP outside of my given IP through the router. | 21:04 |
| Byron | Hello ball | 21:04 |
| ball | Daviey: I meant real, old-fassioned serial consoles ;-) | 21:04 |
| Daviey | ball: However! I have previously installed Ubuntu on totally remote servers, with just ssh :) | 21:04 |
| ball | ...but it's good to know that similar functionality is available via IP now. | 21:04 |
| ball | Daviey: don't you need some sort of LOM to ssh into bare metal? | 21:05 |
| Daviey | ball: IPMI and iLo rely upon on a soft serial console.. so the OS still needs to be setup as you normally would | 21:05 |
| Daviey | ball: nah.. just preseed, set grub, and ssh into debian-installer :) | 21:05 |
| === artillerytx_ is now known as chrislabeard | ||
| ball | Daviey: ah, so doesn't work with a bare machine then? | 21:06 |
| Daviey | ball: you either need VNC or similar to setup windows to allow you to, or if it's already a linux box - ssh in and set a minimal instatter | 21:07 |
| Daviey | ball: iLo and IPMI work with bare metal, yes | 21:07 |
| * ball nods | 21:07 | |
| ball | ...but your ssh example requires something in-situ | 21:07 |
| ball | Anyway, it's good to know. | 21:07 |
| Daviey | ball: you need to redirect the bios output to the fake serial port. | 21:07 |
| ball | Daviey: was it just me, or was there an implication in the kirkland interview that Xen was just for machines that lack hardware virtualisation? | 21:08 |
| Daviey | ball: hmm.. i've installed Ubuntu on remote windows and linux with just VNC or ssh. | 21:08 |
| Daviey | ball: Well many will agree that xen is largely dead on modern hardware.. | 21:09 |
| ball | That's interesting. It's not a view that I've encountered elsewhere. | 21:09 |
| ball | Anyway, kvm seems to have some interesting capabilities | 21:10 |
| Daviey | ball: I've only got a couple of xen servers left, and they are slowly being moved over to kvm | 21:10 |
| ball | I want to ask kirkland for clarification on some of them, but that will have to wait until I get some other things done. | 21:10 |
| Daviey | ball: TBH Xen doesn't even work that well on Ubuntu in my experience.. it takes some poking | 21:11 |
| * ball nods | 21:11 | |
| ball | Not surprising if people have been concentrating their efforts on KVM | 21:11 |
| Daviey | When Citrix bought Xen, they didn't keep the work flow going like it was before | 21:11 |
| ball | ugh. phone. | 21:12 |
| Daviey | ball: you need to remember that Xen isn't even linux in the form we know it.. It's a huge patchset, that constantly needs tweaking to work with modern kernels | 21:12 |
| giovani|work | ball: so, Supermicro's IPMI extensions (KVMoIP) work on bare-bones machines | 21:15 |
| giovani|work | you don't need anything installed | 21:15 |
| ball | Daviey: I'd rather run something that appeared to the guest OS as though it were basically bare metal | 21:20 |
| ball | Thanks giovani | 21:20 |
| ball | Ironically that phone call was about a device with a serial console that just hung for no readily-discernable reason. | 21:20 |
| ball | I'll have to read up on KVM when I get back home. | 21:21 |
| ball | I have about 45 minutes to run out and do a bunch of chores. | 21:21 |
| Daviey | ball: I think you missed what i said. :) | 21:22 |
| ball | Daviey: which part? | 21:23 |
| * ball is confused now. It sounds as though kvm is preferable for Linux servers. | 21:23 | |
| ball | (virtualisation thereon) | 21:23 |
| jpds | ball: It is? | 21:24 |
| ball | jpds: that's the impression I get from the podcast and from the conversation I've just had here. | 21:25 |
| Daviey | It is. | 21:25 |
| ball | I liked the idea that the hypervisor can throttle back the clock if a server is lightly loaded too. | 21:26 |
| Daviey | I was dubious of the choice to favour kvm over xen in Ubuntu.. However, it was the correct choice :) | 21:26 |
| Daviey | ball: Well the main bottleneck is often disk IO.. and using kvm OR xen these can be prioritised per instance. | 21:27 |
| Daviey | Using KVM you can also better prioritise other resources. | 21:29 |
| ball | Daviey: This is stuff I need to learn, but I'll have to annex half of Mrs. ball's machine to get started (hers has amd-v) | 21:29 |
| ball | I shouldn't try this on the production server. | 21:30 |
| Daviey | no.. best to learn on a test box | 21:31 |
| * ball nods | 21:32 | |
| ball | Daviey: pity I'm not in a position to buy a development server. | 21:32 |
| ball | Oh well | 21:32 |
| ball | I'll be back later, perhaps when you're snoring. | 21:32 |
| Daviey | :) | 21:33 |
| Daviey | ball: see if you can aquire a spare one at work :) | 21:33 |
| ball | Daviey: we only have the one. Might be an idea for us to secure a backup server at some point. | 21:34 |
| ball | bye! | 21:35 |
| BrixSat2 | ball thanks | 21:52 |
| jpds | BrixSat2: Too late! | 21:53 |
| BrixSat2 | jpds i know :( | 21:53 |
| BrixSat2 | why does my stupid thomson does not make port forward correctly :@ | 21:54 |
| Byron | How do I create a FTP user for vsftpd? I seem to have all the requirements but it won't go online | 22:01 |
| Byron | err, it won't connect | 22:01 |
| jj__ | hello | 22:01 |
| jj__ | help openvpn | 22:01 |
| jj__ | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/231513/ | 22:02 |
| jpds | jj__: Try looking for more info with: tail -n 20 /var/log/daemon.log | 22:03 |
| Byron | IIRC, I just need to add the user/password and I'm all set | 22:06 |
| jj__ | openvpn.log the file is empty | 22:06 |
| jj__ | Install openvpn via apt | 22:09 |
| jj__ | create certificates | 22:09 |
| jj__ | configuration server.conf | 22:09 |
| jj__ | when I / etc / init.d / openvpn start me from that mistake | 22:09 |
| === roaksoax_ is now known as RoAk | ||
| JordiGH | Are backports automatically pinned low? | 23:08 |
| * JordiGH checks. | 23:08 | |
| JordiGH | They're not! | 23:09 |
| JordiGH | Hm. | 23:09 |
| JordiGH | This is a big difference from Debian. | 23:09 |
| ScottK-desktop | It is. | 23:11 |
| ScottK-desktop | It's on the list for things to change. | 23:11 |
| JordiGH | Oh well, I can pin manually. | 23:18 |
| maccam94 | I need run a command on bootup. do i need to write an rc script for this (if so, how?) or is there an easier way? | 23:22 |
| maccam94 | *to run | 23:22 |
| jj__ | Jul 24 23:39:14 debian ovpn-server[3280]: Warning: Error redirecting stdout/stderr to --log file: /var/log/openvpn/openvpn.log: No such file or directory (er | 23:58 |
| jj__ | rno=2) | 23:58 |
| jj__ | Jul 24 23:39:14 debian ovpn-server[3280]: OpenVPN 2.1_rc11 i486-pc-linux-gnu [SSL] [LZO2] [EPOLL] [PKCS11] built on Sep 18 2008 | 23:58 |
| jj__ | Jul 24 23:39:14 debian ovpn-server[3280]: Note: cannot open /var/log/openvpn/openvpn-status.log for WRITE | 23:58 |
| jj__ | Jul 24 23:39:14 debian ovpn-server[3280]: Cannot load DH parameters from /etc/openvpn/easy-rsa/keys/01.pem: error:0906D06C:PEM routines:PEM_read_bio:no start | 23:58 |
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