[00:09] anyone every installed ubuntu on Dell Poweredge 1750 [00:09] ever [00:59] when i ssh to a ubuntu box, how can I tell if it is installed from a desktop image or server image ? [01:00] axisys: running "uname -a" will print the kernel currently running [01:01] if it has "-server" on the end, it's the server install [01:01] i.e. "Linux lithium 2.6.27-11-server #1 SMP Wed Apr 1 21:53:55 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux" [01:04] giovani|home: hmm.. i guess i screwed it up then.. both server and client says generic for me.. i must have jumpstarted from desktop image [01:05] do i need to reinstall the server or they are same minus some desktop services and window manager ? [01:25] I've just installed my first server, screwed it up considerably just to learn, and will likely reinstall tomorrow. Any advices? [02:41] axisys, they're not exactly the same, but for most tasks you can still do just fine from a desktop or alternate install [02:42] if it's a high security or high performance type task where you need everything tweaked just perfect, I'd start over with the server disc [02:43] otherwise, they use the same repositories and you can install all the same software [03:11] hey all [03:11] whats the easiest, quickest, and most accurate way of viewing incoming/outbound traffic? [03:25] qman__: thanks a lot [03:37] The big difference is that ubuntu-server's default package list isn't available as a metapackage :-( [03:38] So if you install -server you can just "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop", but not vice versa [03:52] £á£î£ù£â£ï£ä£å¡¡£è£å£ò£å£¿ [03:52] £á£î£ù£â£ï£ä£ù [03:53] canuse: sorry, I only understand UTF-8. [03:55] lol [06:34] any libvirt experts? i'm getting virDomainMigrateFinish2:3046 : dconn=0xd77c20, dname=lua, cookie=(nil), cookielen=0, uri=tcp:agni:49152, flags=0, retcode=-1 and a receiver vm shutdown when i try to migrate [06:37] jhujhiti: It's a bit the wrong time of day (much of USA asleep, Western Europeans not yet awake). But you might try asking in #ubuntu-virt [06:38] didn't know about -virt. thanks [06:38] No problem. [06:49] I have this problem transferring a php script from one host to another. On the original, it works fine, on the new one, it does nothing at all. [06:50] Eviltechie: diff the php.ini on the two hosts, and check whether they have the exact same version of PHP? [06:50] My php is a bit newer, and as far as I can tell, php.ini is the same [06:51] Copy the php.ini from one machine to the other and then use diff to compare them... no "as far as I can tell" involved that way :) [06:51] He has fast cgi though [06:53] pastebin the script if you want, I can take a quick look at it. [06:53] pastebin is down [06:53] i seem to remember that there's a special fcgi version of php.. [06:53] pastebin is down??? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/ appears fine to me... [06:54] You can't put php in there [06:54] it's just text! [06:54] *facepalm* [06:54] PHP and other Web scripts are not allowed [06:54] That's what it says [06:54] really? because not only do i not see that, i see an option for PHP syntax highlighting [06:55] Says where? The site even has a PHP syntax highlighting mode... [06:55] jmarsden: jynx ;p [06:55] Ok, use this pastebin http://pastebin.ca/1505414 [06:58] Eviltechie: i suppose you've done all the obvious debugging things like phpinfo() on the host that's acting up? [06:58] fopen() on a remote URL? That's disabled by most sane people ... are you sure the other guy has not disabled it? [06:58] I am the other guy [06:59] And it is enabled [06:59] QED: insane =) [06:59] I hope [07:00] allow_url_fopen = On [07:03] Any thoughts? Anybody? [07:04] how sure are you that php is using that php.ini? [07:04] phpinfo said it was loaded [07:06] New bug: #403888 in lsb (main) "lsb_release crashed with ImportError in () (dup-of: 383697)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/403888 [07:09] anyone had problems with python lately? I've just seen a few segfaults with landscape-sysinfo [07:09] Eviltechie: Your script produces no output for me when I run it in a test VM here with default apache2 and php5 installs... [07:10] It dosen't work on my home computer either [07:10] But it does work on some other computer somewhere, right? [07:11] Yes http://test.techmastertelecom.com/ivan/radio.php [07:16] jmarsden: Any thoughts or are you as confused as I am? [07:17] I'm playing with it... give me a few minutes more... [07:18] I think some of the time the xsl file has a trailing blank line and your script does not protect against that? [07:21] New bug: #403898 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "package mysql-server-5.0 5.1.30really5.0.75-0ubuntu10.2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/403898 [07:23] jmarsden: If you think that's the problem, how should I fix it? [07:26] I think you should not be parsing XSL this way at all, but if you insist... hmmm pastebin.ca is super slow to accept by fixed script... [07:29] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/229560/ # but with the php start and end tags around it :) [07:29] And BTW, why did you use fgetcsv() and then use explode() ... seems odd to do things twice? [07:31] Well I really didn't know how to use either [07:32] Then please learn PHP *before* asking why your scripts don't work, and before using them on Internet-facing servers. Putting novice buggy PHp out there *will* get your server hacked, one day. [07:32] Anyway, thank you so much for getting that to work for me. [07:33] No problem... but seriously... take the time to learn your tools. [07:38] IMO PHP automatically is not worthy of trust [07:38] Just because sufficiently learned hackers can create PHP code that is (nominally) secure, doesn't mean it's OK to deploy. [07:38] But that's just one man's opinion. [07:41] can someone help me that why it asks me for a password here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/229564/ ? === FFForever-Away is now known as FFForever [07:45] <_ruben> is git member of the devs group? [07:45] _ruben, yes... [07:45] error404notfound: I'd try adding spaces either side of the NOPASSWD: tag ... I didn't know you could omit them and have stuff parsed properly...? [07:46] you can omit spaces, thats normal.. [07:46] i even tried killing all git sessions [07:53] strange, may be there was session of git even hidden from root, or may be someone was cloning while i kept killing sessions, after a reboot eveything works [07:53] thanks === artillerytx_ is now known as artillerytx [08:10] any of you guys every installed ubuntu on a dell poweredge 1750 it can't find the NIC for some reason === FFForever is now known as FFForever-Away [08:15] artillerytx: does the NIC show up in lspci -nn output, and if so, what does it show up as being? [08:16] jmarsden: yes it shows up as host bridge broadcom CI0B-E I/0 Bridge with Gigabit Ethernet rev 12 [08:17] hi [08:17] I'm trying to set up a PXE Server [08:17] I've already have a DHCP server [08:18] and I've set it up to point to my next server and search for pxelinux.0 [08:18] I've also installed tftpd-hpa and tftp-hpa [08:18] but when I try to get some test file from the tftp server [08:18] I get a timed out warning message [08:19] artillerytx: It doesn't appear as an Ethernet controller? Hmm. Sounds like it uses an unsupported chip? [08:19] I've changed the permissions for the directory to be owned by nobody:nogroup with r/w to everyone (777) [08:19] does anyone know what could I be missing? [08:19] jmarsden: i mean its just a standard dell server [08:20] Old Dell hardware is not what I would call "standard"... do they support Linux on it themselves? [08:20] well i know of this model having ubuntu on it but they recommend i think windows server 2003 or something [08:21] OK... I'm not sure... Googling suggests people run Linux on Dell 1750 hardware successfully. [08:21] I don't think i did anything wrong [08:22] im getting a green light and orange light from the NIC port [08:22] Possibly relevant thread: http://www.mombu.com/gnu_linux/gentoo/t-dell-power-edge-1750-network-drivers-tg3-2660945.html [08:22] <_ruben> artillerytx: you could try with several versions .. like 6.06, 8.04, 9.04 [08:23] <_ruben> hmm .. tg3 has been a moving target in the past i think [08:23] _ruben: i have 9.04 right now [08:23] ok, nevermind [08:23] inetutils-inetd only listens ipv6 sockets [08:23] <_ruben> ipv6 ftw [08:23] <_ruben> too bad tftp doesnt do ipv6 yet i think ;) [08:24] Maybe we need a tftp6 :) [08:24] So... what should i do [08:24] yes [08:24] And then PXE6 on motherboards :) [08:24] but I don't think that for a local lan you'll need ipv6 [08:24] <_ruben> acalvo: in a few years you would [08:24] why so? [08:25] for a local lan with less than 512 computers? [08:25] artillerytx: Do you have older Ubuntu CDs around to test with? [08:25] yeah i do [08:25] <_ruben> because without it you wouldnt be able to access ipv6-only resources [08:25] oh... well [08:25] I expect to have ipv4 compatibility for a long time [08:25] Then try those and see if any of them work with that NIC... maybe you can get 8.04 Server to run. [08:26] jmarsden: i have 7.10 [08:26] * _ruben really doesnt understand why people seem to be so darn scared of ipv6 [08:26] artillerytx: OK, try that... beats having to download more ISO images :) [08:26] yeah [08:26] _ruben: old-school I guess [08:26] ahahaha [08:27] <_ruben> ipv6 could be called old as well [08:27] this server is soo loud too [08:27] artillerytx: If you have a spare PC, maybe start downloading 8.04 server on that, while you test 7.10 ? [08:27] <_ruben> ipv6 was introduced 12 years ago or so [08:27] jmarsden: alright [08:27] yes [08:27] jmarsden: i'll probly do that tomorrow [08:28] OK. Hope you find a way to get it working :) [08:28] im trying 7.10 right now if that doesn't work i'll try 8.04 tomorrow [08:28] does anyone has set up a PXE server? [08:28] <_ruben> yes, been a while tho [08:29] Same here. [08:29] if the tftp server is not in the same machine as the DHCP server, it is necessary to set up another DHCP server? [08:29] <_ruben> running smoothly .. gotta add support for jaunty someday soon though [08:30] acalvo: No. They can be on different servers. Do you have IPv4 tftp working yet? That would be a good next step :) [08:30] yes, it is working [08:30] and I've set up the DHCP server to point to the next server [08:30] Where next is the TFTP server, right? [08:30] yes [08:30] Sounds good so far. [08:31] How far does an attempted PXE boot get now? [08:31] still not working [08:31] still can't find any network devices on 7.10 [08:32] artillerytx: Hmm. Is there any way to enable/disable the NIC in the BIOS screens...? [08:32] jmarsden: not sure i guess i will work on that tomorrow i can barely stay awake right now.. thank you for you help though goodnight [08:32] jmarsden: I get an ip, but fails replying "proxydhcp service did not reply to request on port 4011" [08:32] taking a look at syslog I see "Jul 24 09:18:57 infolinux inetd[4031]: tftp/udp: bind: Permission denied" [08:33] So the ttfpd is being run with too few permissions to bind to the port it needs... ? But you said tftp was working? [08:34] yes, it is [08:34] locally [08:34] Ah. Try it from a workstation across the LAN, and see if that works too. [08:34] ok, it works [08:35] And no new log entries complaining about permissions? [08:36] yes... Jul 24 09:28:57 infolinux inetd[4031]: tftp/udp: bind: Permission denied [08:36] but, funny things, is that I've been able to get the pxelinux.0 file [08:37] Something is still wrong with the TFTP server though... I need to get some sleep too, but I think you should work on getting rid of that error message before going much further. [08:37] in the DHCP server settings, under the definition of the subnet, I've added "filename pxelinux.0; next-server IP-TFTP-SERVER;" [08:37] jmarsden: ok! thanks for your help! [08:37] No problem. [08:39] <_ruben> acalvo: oughta be enough .. i do have quotes around the pxelinux.0 part tho [08:39] <_ruben> though the permission denied error does remain strange [08:40] <_ruben> perhaps a selinux/apparmor issue? [08:40] <_ruben> tho that should show clearly in the logs as well [08:40] well [08:40] the inetd conf entry for tftp is: tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot [08:45] however, looking at some tutorials, I should be able to set up "allow booting; allow bootp;" in the DHCP server [08:45] <_ruben> same here [08:45] but it seems to be obsolete [08:45] <_ruben> dont have those in my dhcp config [08:46] so weird [08:57] _ruben: are you using dhcp3-server or dnsmasq? [09:15] hi everybody,i want to configure vicidial on ubuntu server.i hav einstalled ubuntu and vici-inst package but donr what should be next steps i have to follow? [09:16] any refernce links to configure vicidial on ubuntu? [09:31] <_ruben> acalvo: dhcp3-server [09:31] <_ruben> wonder how hard it'd be to package dhcp4 [09:39] I wonder why all linux tutorials seems so straightforward before you really start following the steps [09:50] _ruben: could you try a netstat -an | grep 4011 and tell me if there is any output? [10:05] <_ruben> nope [10:05] <_ruben> as in: no output :) [10:05] I don't understand === ogra_ is now known as ogra [11:34] any here who can tell me something about vici dial call center application for ubntu [11:49] ashish try #vici-dial-call-center-application [11:49] This channel's related to the actual Ubuntu-server operating system. Not third party software afaik [12:11] well [12:11] no luck setting up a pxe boot server [12:16] New bug: #403913 in bind9 (main) "package bind9 1:9.5.1.dfsg.P2-1 [modified: usr/share/bind9/bind9-default.md5sum] failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/403913 [12:35] hi. is it possible to install debian lenny as a kvm guest on ubuntu 9.04 using vmbuilder? [13:23] where do I find the netboot image for ubuntu server? [13:23] i used image from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ [13:24] and that gave me -generic [13:25] hi [13:26] how can i check port forward? [13:28] BrixSat: from outside the network, try and connect to the port.. [13:28] What application is listening on the forwarded port? [13:29] rtorrent [13:30] BrixSat: http://www.utorrent.com/testport?port=XXX [13:30] change XXX to the port you forwarded [13:30] (looks suitable) [13:31] ;) [13:32] does it have to be done in the machine where the port is redirected or it can be done on any other machine on the same network? [13:40] <_ruben> axisys: the image is the right one, you just need to use the proper seeds when initiating the install [13:41] _ruben: i did not do autoinstall .. just network install .. [13:42] <_ruben> axisys: still, the selection of the server stuff is done by a seed, tho im sure if its present on the netboot image, i'd guess it is [13:43] _ruben: my netboot extracts to this http://pastebin.com/f32a01c78 [13:44] _ruben: which file in there would decides for server or desktop image? [13:44] <_ruben> the seeds are probably hiding in the netboot tarball .. the pxelinux* files might contain some hints as well [13:46] _ruben: those files are the extract of netboot.tar.gz .. [13:48] http://pastebin.com/f27352a8e is the contents of pxelinux.cfg dir's only file default [13:49] <_ruben> dunno then .. i've only used the netboot images in conjunction with my own preseed file [13:51] <_ruben> here's some hints: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=255249 .. it includes the contents of the server.seed which you could put on a web/nfs/etc server and point to it === biczd is now known as brembo [13:53] _ruben: thanks .. let me take a look [15:11] New bug: #404099 in openvpn (universe) "please merge openvpn 2.1~rc19-1(main) from debian unstable(main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/404099 [15:29] I don't want my website links to be underlined. What's the html tag for removing the "underline" from hyperlinks. === brembo is now known as biczd [15:54] hello [16:01] biczd: hello [16:03] hello pmatulis [16:04] biczd: w'sup in germany today? [16:05] i'm tryng to find some example of /etc/network/interfaces for wpa or wep or whatever :) [16:05] but i'm not in germany :) [16:06] biczd: no? [16:06] nu [16:06] nu? [16:06] no :) [16:06] where are you? [16:06] rome [16:06] ah [16:08] what about you [16:09] your ip is linked to a german provider [16:09] and? [16:09] its a box of my friend [16:10] ok [16:10] setting up wireless on server right? [16:11] nope [16:11] its already up [16:11] need to do something for close it [16:11] i mean i need something to protect it [16:12] yes [16:12] and yes is a little homeserver named "accessbox" [16:14] investigate wpasupplicant package [16:23] done tnx pmatulis === FFForever-Away is now known as FFForever [17:23] bdmurray: hi - is there a way to get all the bugs that have been 'fix released' for packages relevant to the ubuntu-server team? [17:23] bdmurray: 'fix released' for a certain period of time (like last week) [17:23] is there any problems with using those motherboards with fakeraid? Is it not a hardware version of mdadm? [17:24] mathiaz: relevant to as in a specific list of packages the server team is interested in? [17:24] bdmurray: yes [17:25] bdmurray: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server/+packagebugs [17:25] mathiaz, if you have some time, could you please review: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ipvsadm/+bug/402718 and sponsor it if it's ok? Thanks a lot. [17:25] Launchpad bug 402718 in ipvsadm "Please upgrade ipvsadm from 1.24 to 1.25" [Undecided,In progress] [17:25] bdmurray: I'd like to have a list of bugs that were fixed released during the last 7 days for all packages listed on https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server/+packagebugs [17:26] RoAkSoAx: I'll try to have a look at it. [17:27] RoAkSoAx: I'd also suggest to subsribe the relevant sponsor team - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess [17:27] mathiaz: bugs whose status became fix released or bugs that were changed to fix released by a changelog entry? [17:28] bdmurray: the former [17:28] bdmurray: we'd like to have such a list for SRU purposes [17:28] mathiaz, Yes I already subscribed it. Thanks a lot :) [17:29] bdmurray: and make sure that important bugs are nominated for the SRU process and don't get lost. [17:29] mathiaz: yes, it should be possible with launchpadlib [17:36] mathiaz: that particular url or its equivalent isn't available via the api afaik though [17:38] bdmurray: right - I'm doing screen scraping for this [17:38] bdmurray: I've actually though about publishing a list of relevant packages [17:38] bdmurray: as the url above doesn't cover everything [17:38] bdmurray: especially new packages that are introduced in the archive [17:39] mathiaz: well should those get on that list? [17:39] bdmurray: it could be an option [17:39] bdmurray: but how to discover new packages to add to the list? [17:39] bdmurray: one solution: [17:39] bdmurray: look at all uploads made ubuntu-server team members and add the relevant ones [17:40] bdmurray: I'm doing something similar for the month in the archive post === FFForever is now known as FFForever-Away [17:55] mathiaz: I think I have a fair bit of it written [18:02] anyone installed Ubuntu 64bit on Dell PowerEdge R610? [18:43] By mistake, we installed Ubuntu Server LTS 8.04 32 bit version on a 64 bit Sun Server. Will this create problems for us? [18:45] StefanWray: only if you want to run 64-bit software or use > 4 Gbytes of RAM <- this is a guess [18:45] (does 32-bit Ubuntu support PAE?) [18:46] what is PAE? [18:47] Physical Address Extension [18:47] a hack to enable > 4 Gbytes of RAM on a 32-bit processor. [18:47] on windows machines [18:47] i don't know if Ubuntu 8.04 LTS supports PAE [18:48] mushroomtwo: I think NetBSD supports it, where present. [18:48] if you have more than 4GB of RAM, install 64-bit. you'll hate life less. [18:48] mainly curious if there are known issues with running the wrong version of Ubuntu server software [18:48] mushroomtwo: that sounds like good advice [18:49] It's not the "wrong" version, just one of two available choices [18:49] it's only wrong if its a bad match for your application [18:49] (or denies you access to important resources) [18:49] there's very few reasons to install 32-bit on a server [18:49] if your machine supports 64-bit [18:49] desktops are another matter (although not applicable here, just want to be clear) [18:50] our Sun Server X2200 has 2 GB of Ram and is 64 bit [18:51] ball / StefanWray -- ubuntu server's 32 bit kernel does support PAE [18:51] the desktop kernel does not, afaik [18:52] giovani|work: good to know, thanks. [18:53] hello ahe [18:53] so to conclude, we could remain using the 32-bit version of Ubuntu server on the 64-bit Sun Server, and it's not going to be a problem, but we might get better performance if we reinstall the 64-bit Ubuntu server package? [18:53] StefanWray: the performance gain is likely to be minimal for most apps, but for specific ones, yes [18:54] I'd advise installing the 64-bit version regardless [18:54] StefanWray: Depending on your application, I'd try both and do some benchmarking [18:54] Use whichever works best for you. [18:54] our apps are drupal and civicrm primarily [18:54] well, that's PHP as a binary [18:54] you won't see performance gains from PHP on 64-bit [18:54] in the vast majority of cases [18:55] if it's a lot of trouble to reinstall, 32-bit will be fine [18:55] if not, put in the little bit of effort now and go 64-bit [18:55] giovani|work: there isn't a 64-bit php binary? [18:56] ball: there is, but you're not likely to see many gains from typical large php apps [18:56] the 32 vs. 64-bit speed improvements have to be specifically taken advantage of, you don't just fall into performance gains :) [18:57] * ball nods I suppose it's all interpreted anyway. [18:58] it's interesting though -- I haven't seen many people buying x86 small suns [18:58] not that it isn't quality hardware ... just doesn't seem to be common [18:58] I considered it, but eventually went with an HP ML110 [18:58] yeah, I'm a fan of Supermicro's gear [18:58] ...lately I've been reading about their blade servers though. [18:58] right now work uses Dells almost exclusively [18:59] but I'm pushing Supermicro [18:59] Does Ubuntu Server work with an HP Smart Array E200 RAID controller (including the ability to check on the health of individual drives)? [19:00] that's a question for HP [19:00] (i.e. does HP provide linux drivers and utilities to check said information) [19:00] With our Sun Server we'll also be pushing through a lot of video, although the streaming server will be on another box, and so will the encoder, so I'm guessing again that upgrading from 32-bit to 64-bit Ubuntu server package will not matter much for that. [19:01] giovani|work: We bought the box with some sort of Linux license, but I don't recall the distro. [19:01] StefanWray: once again, the recommendation is generic -- go 64-bit if you have hardware that supports it, unless you have a specific reason to stick with 32-bit [19:01] I wiped it and installed NetBSD [19:01] ball: typically this is a question for HP support though [19:01] ...which works with the controller to an extent. [19:01] as it's going to likely be a commercial driver [19:01] giovani|work: Hmm... I suppose I could call them. [19:01] We do have some sort of support contract. [19:01] http://cciss.sourceforge.net/ [19:02] nope, there's an open source one [19:02] giovani | work: final question: is 2G RAM enough to support 64-bit Ubuntu server, or do we need 4GB? [19:02] StefanWray: the requirements are identical regardless of 32 or 64 bit [19:03] got it . . . thanks [19:03] giovani|work: Perhaps I should ask them whether there's a monitoring utility though. [19:03] ball: yeah, typically the big vendors only provide RPMs [19:04] and often they don't work too well with "non-approved distros" [19:04] Are RPMs binary packages? [19:04] RPMs are RedHat packages, which typically contain binaries [19:04] yeah, HP's support pages lists SuSE and RHEL as the supported Linux distros [19:05] s/lists/list/ [19:05] Aha! cciss_vol_status looks promising. [19:05] indeed [19:07] Excellent. I'm now actively considering a migration to Ubuntu Server === apw is now known as cafetiere [19:07] if that driver/utility set does what you need, ubuntu offers cciss-vol-status as a package [19:08] http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/cciss-vol-status === cafetiere is now known as apw [19:10] there are other utilities that may be of use to you mentioned on the CCISS website that are offered as ubuntu packages as well -- cpqarrayd, arrayprobe, etc [19:11] giovani|work: that's useful to know, thanks. [19:12] ball: are you new to debian/ubuntu? [19:12] giovani|work: yes. [19:12] what are you used to? [19:12] (can you tell? ;-) [19:12] giovani|work: NetBSD mostly [19:12] ah [19:12] at least on production gear. [19:13] what kind of industry are you serving? [19:14] These days? A small non profit. I run NetBSD on the file server and occasional support systems. [19:14] Yesterday I installed a random NetBSD box to do the job of a terminal server) [19:15] gotcha [19:15] the only systems I've run NetBSD on are embedded [19:15] Yesterday's box /should/ be an embedded board, but I don't have any laying around. [19:16] ...and the box only burns about 30 Watts total. [19:16] (40 Watts when it's thinking hard) [19:16] heh [19:18] There is a gap here in my study where the machine used to be. Thinking about it, perhaps I should have kept the monitor. [19:18] Oh well. [19:19] why do you need it to have a monitor? [19:20] giovani|work: I may also use it for odd router configuration jobs, to look up documentation etc. [19:20] ah [19:20] ...the terminal server role doesn't need (or benefit from) a monitor [19:20] I'd hope not :) [19:20] ...though I suppose they'll also be able to walk up to it and type commands. [19:20] I like role separation [19:20] (but they can do that from anywhere on the LAN now, without resorting to modems) [19:21] between servers and desktops [19:21] giovani|work: agreed, but the terminal server role is trivial enough that it probably doesn't warrant an embedded board purchase. [19:22] ...and using a computer may eventually help with logging. [19:23] I'd love to integrate some FreeBSD here [19:23] but we're all cranky and like everything to conform [19:24] giovani: I'm impressed at how quickly I can bring up a server with Ubuntu Server. The OS takes a bit longer to install, but I don't have to build all the application software from source. [19:24] heh, yeah, welcome to the world of binary distros ;) [19:24] ...and updates are easier. [19:24] the OS install can be incredibly streamlined obviously [19:24] I haven't done a cd-based install in years [19:26] I'm told that blade servers come with software that lets you install from your desktop. I suppose with a large enough site you could use something like ROCKS to provision them. [19:26] * ball shrugss [19:29] I need some more modern hardware (the ML110 is on-site and in service) [19:40] :( i got port's forwarded to the server and still cant access 13000 :S [19:41] 13,000 whats? [19:41] rtorrent [19:41] Oh, I like rtorrent. [19:42] ball i cant seed because i do not know [19:42] online test says that port is not forwarded but in the router it is [19:43] Perhaps your router's broken. Many seem to be. [19:43] no it is not it works ok all other ports are ok i added some after and it is ok [19:43] Can you forward 13000 on your router's WAN port to 22 on your server and then ssh in via 13000 ? [19:43] (just to check the forwarding part) [19:43] yes i can [19:44] ill do it in 2 seconds [19:44] http://campingave.dyndns.tv [19:45] be right back in 5 minutes [19:45] try 12000 in ssh ;) [19:45] Why 12000? [19:46] I thought you wanted to test 13000 [19:46] New bug: #403711 in samba4 (universe) "samba4 cannot mount cifs " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/403711 [19:46] ball: I presume (re: install from your desktop) that you mean something KVMoIP or IPMI based? [19:46] that's present in many machines, including Supermicro's regular servers [19:46] but there's really no reason to be booting from cd, if you have a TFTP architecture in place [19:46] then you can fully automate installs on a per-machine basis with all of the settings customized [19:47] giovani: I suppose which approach you take will depend on how many servers you have to support. [19:47] For me, currently, that's not many. [19:47] I suppose ... with a blade system, you're likely already over the limit of doing things manually if you're smart :) [19:48] I heard IPMI mentioned during the Ubuntu UK podcast as an alternative to the WoL magic packet [19:48] giovani: true. I'm mostly reading about blade servers because the day may come again when I need more than a handful of servers. [19:49] so, yeah, IPMI rocks [19:50] Supermicro has an awesome implementation of it (do I sound like a big enough Supermicro fanboi yet? ;) [19:50] Perhaps I should read up on that. [19:50] but Dell DRAC and HP iLo aren't bad [19:50] istr Supermicro used to make some well-regarded server mainboards. [19:51] yeah, they still do [19:51] BrixSat2: nmap claims you don't have 13000 open, at least on campingave.dyndns.tv [19:51]