[00:09] <artillerytx> anyone every installed ubuntu on Dell Poweredge 1750
[00:09] <artillerytx> ever
[00:59] <axisys> when i ssh to a ubuntu box, how can I tell if it is installed from a desktop image or server image ?
[01:00] <giovani|home> axisys: running "uname -a" will print the kernel currently running
[01:01] <giovani|home> if it has "-server" on the end, it's the server install
[01:01] <giovani|home> i.e. "Linux lithium 2.6.27-11-server #1 SMP Wed Apr 1 21:53:55 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux"
[01:04] <axisys> giovani|home: hmm.. i guess i screwed it up then.. both server and client says generic for me.. i must have jumpstarted from desktop image
[01:05] <axisys> do i need to reinstall the server or they are same minus some desktop services and window manager ?
[01:25] <unRob> I've just installed my first server, screwed it up considerably just to learn, and will likely reinstall tomorrow. Any advices?
[02:41] <qman__> axisys, they're not exactly the same, but for most tasks you can still do just fine from a desktop or alternate install
[02:42] <qman__> if it's a high security or high performance type task where you need everything tweaked just perfect, I'd start over with the server disc
[02:43] <qman__> otherwise, they use the same repositories and you can install all the same software
[03:11] <billybigrigger> hey all
[03:11] <billybigrigger> whats the easiest, quickest, and most accurate way of viewing incoming/outbound traffic?
[03:25] <axisys> qman__: thanks a lot
[03:37] <twb> The big difference is that ubuntu-server's default package list isn't available as a metapackage :-(
[03:38] <twb> So if you install -server you can just "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop", but not vice versa
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[03:53] <twb> canuse: sorry, I only understand UTF-8.
[03:55] <Deevz> lol
[06:34] <jhujhiti> any libvirt experts? i'm getting virDomainMigrateFinish2:3046 : dconn=0xd77c20, dname=lua, cookie=(nil), cookielen=0, uri=tcp:agni:49152, flags=0, retcode=-1 and a receiver vm shutdown when i try to migrate
[06:37] <jmarsden> jhujhiti: It's a bit the wrong time of day (much of USA asleep, Western Europeans not yet awake).  But you might try asking in #ubuntu-virt
[06:38] <jhujhiti> didn't know about -virt. thanks
[06:38] <jmarsden> No problem.
[06:49] <Eviltechie> I have this problem transferring a php script from one host to another. On the original, it works fine, on the new one, it does nothing at all.
[06:50] <jmarsden> Eviltechie: diff the php.ini on the two hosts, and check whether they have the exact same version of PHP?
[06:50] <Eviltechie> My php is a bit newer, and as far as I can tell, php.ini is the same
[06:51] <jmarsden> Copy the php.ini from one machine to the other and then use diff to compare them... no "as far as I can tell" involved that way :)
[06:51] <Eviltechie> He has fast cgi though
[06:53] <jmarsden> pastebin the script if you want, I can take a quick look at it.
[06:53] <Eviltechie> pastebin is down
[06:53] <jhujhiti> i seem to remember that there's a special fcgi version of php..
[06:53] <jmarsden> pastebin is down??? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/ appears fine to me...
[06:54] <Eviltechie> You can't put php in there
[06:54] <jhujhiti> it's just text!
[06:54] <jhujhiti> *facepalm*
[06:54] <Eviltechie> PHP and other Web scripts are not allowed
[06:54] <Eviltechie> That's what it says
[06:54] <jhujhiti> really? because not only do i not see that, i see an option for PHP syntax highlighting
[06:55] <jmarsden> Says where?  The site even has a PHP syntax highlighting mode...
[06:55] <jhujhiti> jmarsden: jynx ;p
[06:55] <Eviltechie> Ok, use this pastebin http://pastebin.ca/1505414
[06:58] <jhujhiti> Eviltechie: i suppose you've done all the obvious debugging things like phpinfo() on the host that's acting up?
[06:58] <jmarsden> fopen() on a remote URL?  That's disabled by most sane people ... are you sure the other guy has not disabled it?
[06:58] <Eviltechie> I am the other guy
[06:59] <Eviltechie> And it is enabled
[06:59] <jhujhiti> QED: insane =)
[06:59] <Eviltechie> I hope
[07:00] <Eviltechie> allow_url_fopen = On
[07:03] <Eviltechie> Any thoughts? Anybody?
[07:04] <jhujhiti> how sure are you that php is using that php.ini?
[07:04] <Eviltechie> phpinfo said it was loaded
[07:06] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #403888 in lsb (main) "lsb_release crashed with ImportError in <module>() (dup-of: 383697)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/403888
[07:09] <cef> anyone had problems with python lately? I've just seen a few segfaults with landscape-sysinfo
[07:09] <jmarsden> Eviltechie: Your script produces no output for me when I run it in a test VM here with default apache2 and php5 installs...
[07:10] <Eviltechie> It dosen't work on my home computer either
[07:10] <jmarsden> But it does work on some other computer somewhere, right?
[07:11] <Eviltechie> Yes http://test.techmastertelecom.com/ivan/radio.php
[07:16] <Eviltechie> jmarsden: Any thoughts or are you as confused as I am?
[07:17] <jmarsden> I'm playing with it... give me a few minutes more...
[07:18] <jmarsden> I think some of the time the xsl file has a trailing blank line and your script does not protect against that?
[07:21] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #403898 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "package mysql-server-5.0 5.1.30really5.0.75-0ubuntu10.2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/403898
[07:23] <Eviltechie> jmarsden: If you think that's the problem, how should I fix it?
[07:26] <jmarsden> I think you should not be parsing XSL this way at all, but if you insist... hmmm pastebin.ca is super slow to accept by fixed script...
[07:29] <jmarsden> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/229560/   # but with the php start and end tags around it :)
[07:29] <jmarsden> And BTW, why did you use fgetcsv() and then use explode() ... seems odd to do things twice?
[07:31] <Eviltechie> Well I really didn't know how to use either
[07:32] <jmarsden> Then please learn PHP *before* asking why your scripts don't work, and before using them on Internet-facing servers.  Putting novice buggy PHp out there *will* get your server hacked, one day.
[07:32] <Eviltechie> Anyway, thank you so much for getting that to work for me.
[07:33] <jmarsden> No problem... but seriously... take the time to learn your tools.
[07:38] <twb> IMO PHP automatically is not worthy of trust
[07:38] <twb> Just because sufficiently learned hackers can create PHP code that is (nominally) secure, doesn't mean it's OK to deploy.
[07:38] <twb> But that's just one man's opinion.
[07:41] <error404notfound> can someone help me that why it asks me for a password here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/229564/ ?
[07:45] <_ruben> is git member of the devs group?
[07:45] <error404notfound> _ruben, yes...
[07:45] <jmarsden> error404notfound: I'd try adding spaces either side of the NOPASSWD: tag ... I didn't know you could omit them and have stuff parsed properly...?
[07:46] <error404notfound> you can omit spaces, thats normal..
[07:46] <error404notfound> i even tried killing all git sessions
[07:53] <error404notfound> strange, may be there was session of git even hidden from root, or may be someone was cloning while i kept killing sessions, after a reboot eveything works
[07:53] <error404notfound> thanks
[08:10] <artillerytx> any of you guys every installed ubuntu on a dell poweredge 1750 it can't find the NIC for some reason
[08:15] <jmarsden> artillerytx: does the NIC show up in lspci -nn output, and if so, what does it show up as being?
[08:16] <artillerytx> jmarsden: yes it shows up as host bridge broadcom CI0B-E I/0 Bridge with Gigabit Ethernet rev 12
[08:17] <acalvo> hi
[08:17] <acalvo> I'm trying to set up a PXE Server
[08:17] <acalvo> I've already have a DHCP server
[08:18] <acalvo> and I've set it up to point to my next server and search for pxelinux.0
[08:18] <acalvo> I've also installed tftpd-hpa and tftp-hpa
[08:18] <acalvo> but when I try to get some test file from the tftp server
[08:18] <acalvo> I get a timed out warning message
[08:19] <jmarsden> artillerytx: It doesn't appear as an Ethernet controller?  Hmm.  Sounds like it uses an unsupported chip?
[08:19] <acalvo> I've changed the permissions for the directory to be owned by nobody:nogroup with r/w to everyone (777)
[08:19] <acalvo> does anyone know what could I be missing?
[08:19] <artillerytx> jmarsden: i mean its just a standard dell server
[08:20] <jmarsden> Old Dell hardware is not what I would call "standard"... do they support Linux on it themselves?
[08:20] <artillerytx> well i know of this model having ubuntu on it but they recommend i think windows server 2003 or something
[08:21] <jmarsden> OK... I'm not sure... Googling suggests people run Linux on Dell 1750 hardware successfully.
[08:21] <artillerytx> I don't think i did anything wrong
[08:22] <artillerytx> im getting a green light and orange light from the NIC port
[08:22] <jmarsden> Possibly relevant thread: http://www.mombu.com/gnu_linux/gentoo/t-dell-power-edge-1750-network-drivers-tg3-2660945.html
[08:22] <_ruben> artillerytx: you could try with several versions .. like 6.06, 8.04, 9.04
[08:23] <_ruben> hmm .. tg3 has been a moving target in the past i think
[08:23] <artillerytx> _ruben: i have 9.04 right now
[08:23] <acalvo> ok, nevermind
[08:23] <acalvo> inetutils-inetd only listens ipv6 sockets
[08:23] <_ruben> ipv6 ftw
[08:23] <_ruben> too bad tftp doesnt do ipv6 yet i think ;)
[08:24] <jmarsden> Maybe we need a tftp6 :)
[08:24] <artillerytx> So... what should i do
[08:24] <acalvo> yes
[08:24] <jmarsden> And then PXE6 on motherboards :)
[08:24] <acalvo> but I don't think that for a local lan you'll need ipv6
[08:24] <_ruben> acalvo: in a few years you would
[08:24] <acalvo> why so?
[08:25] <acalvo> for a local lan with less than 512 computers?
[08:25] <jmarsden> artillerytx: Do you have older Ubuntu CDs around to test with?
[08:25] <artillerytx> yeah i do
[08:25] <_ruben> because without it you wouldnt be able to access ipv6-only resources
[08:25] <acalvo> oh... well
[08:25] <acalvo> I expect to have ipv4 compatibility for a long time
[08:25] <jmarsden> Then try those and see if any of them work with that NIC... maybe you can get 8.04 Server to run.
[08:26] <artillerytx> jmarsden: i have 7.10
[08:26]  * _ruben really doesnt understand why people seem to be so darn scared of ipv6
[08:26] <jmarsden> artillerytx: OK, try that... beats having to download more ISO images :)
[08:26] <artillerytx> yeah
[08:26] <acalvo> _ruben: old-school I guess
[08:26] <acalvo> ahahaha
[08:27] <_ruben> ipv6 could be called old as well
[08:27] <artillerytx> this server is soo loud too
[08:27] <jmarsden> artillerytx:  If you have a spare PC, maybe start downloading 8.04 server on that, while you test 7.10 ?
[08:27] <_ruben> ipv6 was introduced 12 years ago or so
[08:27] <artillerytx> jmarsden: alright
[08:27] <acalvo> yes
[08:27] <artillerytx> jmarsden: i'll probly do that tomorrow
[08:28] <jmarsden> OK.  Hope you find a way to get it working :)
[08:28] <artillerytx> im trying 7.10 right now if that doesn't work i'll try 8.04 tomorrow
[08:28] <acalvo> does anyone has set up a PXE server?
[08:28] <_ruben> yes, been a while tho
[08:29] <jmarsden> Same here.
[08:29] <acalvo> if the tftp server is not in the same machine as the DHCP server, it is necessary to set up another DHCP server?
[08:29] <_ruben> running smoothly .. gotta add support for jaunty someday soon though
[08:30] <jmarsden> acalvo: No.  They can be on different servers.  Do you have IPv4 tftp working yet?  That would be a good next step :)
[08:30] <acalvo> yes, it is working
[08:30] <acalvo> and I've set up the DHCP server to point to the next server
[08:30] <jmarsden> Where next is the TFTP server, right?
[08:30] <acalvo> yes
[08:30] <jmarsden> Sounds good so far.
[08:31] <jmarsden> How far does an attempted PXE boot get now?
[08:31] <artillerytx> still not working
[08:31] <artillerytx> still can't find any network devices on 7.10
[08:32] <jmarsden> artillerytx: Hmm.  Is there any way to enable/disable the NIC in the BIOS screens...?
[08:32] <artillerytx> jmarsden: not sure i guess i will work on that tomorrow i can barely stay awake right now.. thank you for you help though goodnight
[08:32] <acalvo> jmarsden: I get an ip, but fails replying "proxydhcp service did not reply to request on port 4011"
[08:32] <acalvo> taking a look at syslog I see "Jul 24 09:18:57 infolinux inetd[4031]: tftp/udp: bind: Permission denied"
[08:33] <jmarsden> So the ttfpd is being run with too few permissions to bind to the port it needs... ?  But you said tftp was working?
[08:34] <acalvo> yes, it is
[08:34] <acalvo> locally
[08:34] <jmarsden> Ah.  Try it from a workstation across the LAN, and see if that works too.
[08:34] <acalvo> ok, it works
[08:35] <jmarsden> And no new log entries complaining about permissions?
[08:36] <acalvo> yes... Jul 24 09:28:57 infolinux inetd[4031]: tftp/udp: bind: Permission denied
[08:36] <acalvo> but, funny things, is that I've been able to get the pxelinux.0 file
[08:37] <jmarsden> Something is still wrong with the TFTP server though... I need to get some sleep too, but I think you should work on getting rid of that error message before going much further.
[08:37] <acalvo> in the DHCP server settings, under the definition of the subnet, I've added "filename pxelinux.0; next-server IP-TFTP-SERVER;"
[08:37] <acalvo> jmarsden: ok! thanks for your help!
[08:37] <jmarsden> No problem.
[08:39] <_ruben> acalvo: oughta be enough .. i do have quotes around the pxelinux.0 part tho
[08:39] <_ruben> though the permission denied error does remain strange
[08:40] <_ruben> perhaps a selinux/apparmor issue?
[08:40] <_ruben> tho that should show clearly in the logs as well
[08:40] <acalvo> well
[08:40] <acalvo> the inetd conf entry for tftp is: tftp           dgram   udp     wait    root  /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
[08:45] <acalvo> however, looking at some tutorials, I should be able to set up "allow booting; allow bootp;" in the DHCP server
[08:45] <_ruben> same here
[08:45] <acalvo> but it seems to be obsolete
[08:45] <_ruben> dont have those in my dhcp config
[08:46] <acalvo> so weird
[08:57] <acalvo> _ruben: are you using dhcp3-server or dnsmasq?
[09:15] <ashish> hi everybody,i want to configure vicidial on ubuntu server.i hav einstalled ubuntu and vici-inst package but donr what should be next steps i have to follow?
[09:16] <ashish> any refernce links to configure vicidial on ubuntu?
[09:31] <_ruben> acalvo: dhcp3-server
[09:31] <_ruben> wonder how hard it'd be to package dhcp4
[09:39] <acalvo> I wonder why all linux tutorials seems so straightforward before you really start following the steps
[09:50] <acalvo> _ruben: could you try a netstat -an | grep 4011 and tell me if there is any output?
[10:05] <_ruben> nope
[10:05] <_ruben> as in: no output :)
[10:05] <acalvo> I don't understand
[11:34] <ashish> any here who can tell me something about vici dial call center application for ubntu
[11:49] <Hasbro> ashish try #vici-dial-call-center-application
[11:49] <Hasbro> This channel's related to the actual Ubuntu-server operating system. Not third party software afaik
[12:11] <acalvo> well
[12:11] <acalvo> no luck setting up a pxe boot server
[12:16] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #403913 in bind9 (main) "package bind9 1:9.5.1.dfsg.P2-1 [modified: usr/share/bind9/bind9-default.md5sum] failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/403913
[12:35] <autoditac> hi. is it possible to install debian lenny as a kvm guest on ubuntu 9.04 using vmbuilder?
[13:23] <axisys> where do I find the netboot image for ubuntu server?
[13:23] <axisys> i used image from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/
[13:24] <axisys> and that gave me -generic
[13:25] <BrixSat> hi
[13:26] <BrixSat> how can i check port forward?
[13:28] <Daviey> BrixSat: from outside the network, try and connect to the port..
[13:28] <Daviey> What application is listening on the forwarded port?
[13:29] <BrixSat> rtorrent
[13:30] <Daviey> BrixSat: http://www.utorrent.com/testport?port=XXX
[13:30] <Daviey> change XXX to the port you forwarded
[13:30] <Daviey> (looks suitable)
[13:31] <BrixSat> ;)
[13:32] <BrixSat> does it have to be done in the machine where the port is redirected or it can be done on any other machine on the same network?
[13:40] <_ruben> axisys: the image is the right one, you just need to use the proper seeds when initiating the install
[13:41] <axisys> _ruben: i did not do autoinstall .. just network install ..
[13:42] <_ruben> axisys: still, the selection of the server stuff is done by a seed, tho im sure if its present on the netboot image, i'd guess it is
[13:43] <axisys> _ruben: my netboot extracts to this http://pastebin.com/f32a01c78
[13:44] <axisys> _ruben: which file in there would decides for server or desktop image?
[13:44] <_ruben> the seeds are probably hiding in the netboot tarball .. the pxelinux* files might contain some hints as well
[13:46] <axisys> _ruben: those files are the extract of netboot.tar.gz ..
[13:48] <axisys> http://pastebin.com/f27352a8e is the contents of pxelinux.cfg dir's only file default
[13:49] <_ruben> dunno then .. i've only used the netboot images in conjunction with my own preseed file
[13:51] <_ruben> here's some hints: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=255249 .. it includes the contents of the server.seed which you could put on a web/nfs/etc server and point to it
[13:53] <axisys> _ruben: thanks .. let me take a look
[15:11] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #404099 in openvpn (universe) "please merge openvpn 2.1~rc19-1(main) from debian unstable(main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/404099
[15:29] <shivek> I don't want my website links to be underlined. What's the html tag for removing the "underline" from hyperlinks.
[15:54] <biczd> hello
[16:01] <pmatulis> biczd: hello
[16:03] <biczd> hello pmatulis
[16:04] <pmatulis> biczd: w'sup in germany today?
[16:05] <biczd> i'm tryng to find some example of /etc/network/interfaces for wpa or wep or whatever :)
[16:05] <biczd> but i'm not in germany :)
[16:06] <pmatulis> biczd: no?
[16:06] <biczd> nu
[16:06] <pmatulis> nu?
[16:06] <biczd> no :)
[16:06] <pmatulis> where are you?
[16:06] <biczd> rome
[16:06] <pmatulis> ah
[16:08] <biczd> what about you
[16:09] <pmatulis> your ip is linked to a german provider
[16:09] <biczd> and?
[16:09] <biczd> its a box of my friend
[16:10] <pmatulis> ok
[16:10] <pmatulis> setting up wireless on server right?
[16:11] <biczd> nope
[16:11] <biczd> its already up
[16:11] <biczd> need to do something for close it
[16:11] <biczd> i mean i need something to protect it
[16:12] <pmatulis> yes
[16:12] <biczd> and yes is a little homeserver named "accessbox"
[16:14] <pmatulis> investigate wpasupplicant package
[16:23] <biczd> done tnx pmatulis
[17:23] <mathiaz> bdmurray: hi - is there a way to get all the bugs that have been 'fix released' for packages relevant to the ubuntu-server team?
[17:23] <mathiaz> bdmurray: 'fix released' for a certain period of time (like last week)
[17:23] <teddy_> is there any problems with using those motherboards with fakeraid? Is it not a hardware version of mdadm?
[17:24] <bdmurray> mathiaz: relevant to as in a specific list of packages the server team is interested in?
[17:24] <mathiaz> bdmurray: yes
[17:25] <mathiaz> bdmurray: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server/+packagebugs
[17:25] <RoAkSoAx> mathiaz, if you have some time, could you please review: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ipvsadm/+bug/402718 and sponsor it if it's ok? Thanks a lot.
[17:25] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 402718 in ipvsadm "Please upgrade ipvsadm from 1.24 to 1.25" [Undecided,In progress]
[17:25] <mathiaz> bdmurray: I'd like to have a list of bugs that were fixed released during the last 7 days for all packages listed on https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server/+packagebugs
[17:26] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: I'll try to have a look at it.
[17:27] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: I'd also suggest to subsribe the relevant sponsor team - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[17:27] <bdmurray> mathiaz: bugs whose status became fix released or bugs that were changed to fix released by a changelog entry?
[17:28] <mathiaz> bdmurray: the former
[17:28] <mathiaz> bdmurray: we'd like to have such a list for SRU purposes
[17:28] <RoAkSoAx> mathiaz, Yes I already subscribed it. Thanks a lot :)
[17:29] <mathiaz> bdmurray: and make sure that important bugs are nominated for the SRU process and don't get lost.
[17:29] <bdmurray> mathiaz: yes, it should be possible with launchpadlib
[17:36] <bdmurray> mathiaz: that particular url or its equivalent isn't available via the api afaik though
[17:38] <mathiaz> bdmurray: right - I'm doing screen scraping for this
[17:38] <mathiaz> bdmurray: I've actually though about publishing a list of relevant packages
[17:38] <mathiaz> bdmurray: as the url above doesn't cover everything
[17:38] <mathiaz> bdmurray: especially new packages that are introduced in the archive
[17:39] <bdmurray> mathiaz: well should those get on that list?
[17:39] <mathiaz> bdmurray: it could be an option
[17:39] <mathiaz> bdmurray: but how to discover new packages to add to the list?
[17:39] <mathiaz> bdmurray: one solution:
[17:39] <mathiaz> bdmurray: look at all uploads made ubuntu-server team members and add the relevant ones
[17:40] <mathiaz> bdmurray: I'm doing something similar for the month in the archive post
[17:55] <bdmurray> mathiaz: I think I have a fair bit of it written
[18:02] <DDzev> anyone installed Ubuntu 64bit on Dell PowerEdge R610?
[18:43] <StefanWray> By mistake, we installed Ubuntu Server LTS 8.04 32 bit version on a 64 bit Sun Server. Will this create problems for us?
[18:45] <ball> StefanWray: only if you want to run 64-bit software or use > 4 Gbytes of RAM  <- this is a guess
[18:45] <ball> (does 32-bit Ubuntu support PAE?)
[18:46] <StefanWray> what is PAE?
[18:47] <mushroomtwo> Physical Address Extension
[18:47] <ball> a hack to enable > 4 Gbytes of RAM on a 32-bit processor.
[18:47] <mushroomtwo> on windows machines
[18:47] <StefanWray> i don't know if Ubuntu 8.04 LTS supports PAE
[18:48] <ball> mushroomtwo: I think NetBSD supports it, where present.
[18:48] <mushroomtwo> if you have more than 4GB of RAM, install 64-bit. you'll hate life less.
[18:48] <StefanWray> mainly curious if there are known issues with running the wrong version of Ubuntu server software
[18:48] <ball> mushroomtwo: that sounds like good advice
[18:49] <ball> It's not the "wrong" version, just one of two available choices
[18:49] <ball> it's only wrong if its a bad match for your application
[18:49] <ball> (or denies you access to important resources)
[18:49] <giovani|work> there's very few reasons to install 32-bit on a server
[18:49] <giovani|work> if your machine supports 64-bit
[18:49] <giovani|work> desktops are another matter (although not applicable here, just want to be clear)
[18:50] <StefanWray> our Sun Server X2200 has 2 GB of Ram and is 64 bit
[18:51] <giovani|work> ball / StefanWray -- ubuntu server's 32 bit kernel does support PAE
[18:51] <giovani|work> the desktop kernel does not, afaik
[18:52] <ball> giovani|work: good to know, thanks.
[18:53] <ball> hello ahe
[18:53] <StefanWray> so to conclude, we could remain using the 32-bit version of Ubuntu server on the 64-bit Sun Server, and it's not going to be a problem, but we might get better performance if we reinstall the 64-bit Ubuntu server package?
[18:53] <giovani|work> StefanWray: the performance gain is likely to be minimal for most apps, but for specific ones, yes
[18:54] <giovani|work> I'd advise installing the 64-bit version regardless
[18:54] <ball> StefanWray: Depending on your application, I'd try both and do some benchmarking
[18:54] <ball> Use whichever works best for you.
[18:54] <StefanWray> our apps are drupal and civicrm primarily
[18:54] <giovani|work> well, that's PHP as a binary
[18:54] <giovani|work> you won't see performance gains from PHP on 64-bit
[18:54] <giovani|work> in the vast majority of cases
[18:55] <giovani|work> if it's a lot of trouble to reinstall, 32-bit will be fine
[18:55] <giovani|work> if not, put in the little bit of effort now and go 64-bit
[18:55] <ball> giovani|work: there isn't a 64-bit php binary?
[18:56] <giovani|work> ball: there is, but you're not likely to see many gains from typical large php apps
[18:56] <giovani|work> the 32 vs. 64-bit speed improvements have to be specifically taken advantage of, you don't just fall into performance gains :)
[18:57]  * ball nods I suppose it's all interpreted anyway.
[18:58] <giovani|work> it's interesting though -- I haven't seen many people buying x86 small suns
[18:58] <giovani|work> not that it isn't quality hardware ... just doesn't seem to be common
[18:58] <ball> I considered it, but eventually went with an HP ML110
[18:58] <giovani|work> yeah, I'm a fan of Supermicro's gear
[18:58] <ball> ...lately I've been reading about their blade servers though.
[18:58] <giovani|work> right now work uses Dells almost exclusively
[18:59] <giovani|work> but I'm pushing Supermicro
[18:59] <ball> Does Ubuntu Server work with an HP Smart Array E200 RAID controller (including the ability to check on the health of individual drives)?
[19:00] <giovani|work> that's a question for HP
[19:00] <giovani|work> (i.e. does HP provide linux drivers and utilities to check said information)
[19:00] <StefanWray> With our Sun Server we'll also be pushing through a lot of video, although the streaming server will be on another box, and so will the encoder, so I'm guessing again that upgrading from 32-bit to 64-bit Ubuntu server package will not matter much for that.
[19:01] <ball> giovani|work: We bought the box with some sort of Linux license, but I don't recall the distro.
[19:01] <giovani|work> StefanWray: once again, the recommendation is generic -- go 64-bit if you have hardware that supports it, unless you have a specific reason to stick with 32-bit
[19:01] <ball> I wiped it and installed NetBSD
[19:01] <giovani|work> ball: typically this is a question for HP support though
[19:01] <ball> ...which works with the controller to an extent.
[19:01] <giovani|work> as it's going to likely be a commercial driver
[19:01] <ball> giovani|work: Hmm... I suppose I could call them.
[19:01] <ball> We do have some sort of support contract.
[19:01] <giovani|work> http://cciss.sourceforge.net/
[19:02] <giovani|work> nope, there's an open source one
[19:02] <StefanWray> giovani | work: final question: is 2G RAM enough to support 64-bit Ubuntu server, or do we need 4GB?
[19:02] <giovani|work> StefanWray: the requirements are identical regardless of 32 or 64 bit
[19:03] <StefanWray> got it . . . thanks
[19:03] <ball> giovani|work: Perhaps I should ask them whether there's a monitoring utility though.
[19:03] <giovani|work> ball: yeah, typically the big vendors only provide RPMs
[19:04] <giovani|work> and often they don't work too well with "non-approved distros"
[19:04] <ball> Are RPMs binary packages?
[19:04] <giovani|work> RPMs are RedHat packages, which typically contain binaries
[19:04] <giovani|work> yeah, HP's support pages lists SuSE and RHEL as the supported Linux distros
[19:05] <giovani|work> s/lists/list/
[19:05] <ball> Aha!  cciss_vol_status looks promising.
[19:05] <giovani|work> indeed
[19:07] <ball> Excellent.  I'm now actively considering a migration to Ubuntu Server
[19:07] <giovani|work> if that driver/utility set does what you need, ubuntu offers cciss-vol-status as a package
[19:08] <giovani|work> http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/cciss-vol-status
[19:10] <giovani|work> there are other utilities that may be of use to you mentioned on the CCISS website that are offered as ubuntu packages as well -- cpqarrayd, arrayprobe, etc
[19:11] <ball> giovani|work: that's useful to know, thanks.
[19:12] <giovani|work> ball: are you new to debian/ubuntu?
[19:12] <ball> giovani|work: yes.
[19:12] <giovani|work> what are you used to?
[19:12] <ball> (can you tell? ;-)
[19:12] <ball> giovani|work: NetBSD mostly
[19:12] <giovani|work> ah
[19:12] <ball> at least on production gear.
[19:13] <giovani|work> what kind of industry are you serving?
[19:14] <ball> These days?  A small non profit.  I run NetBSD on the file server and occasional support systems.
[19:14] <ball> Yesterday I installed a random NetBSD box to do the job of a terminal server)
[19:15] <giovani|work> gotcha
[19:15] <giovani|work> the only systems I've run NetBSD on are embedded
[19:15] <ball> Yesterday's box /should/ be an embedded board, but I don't have any laying around.
[19:16] <ball> ...and the box only burns about 30 Watts total.
[19:16] <ball> (40 Watts when it's thinking hard)
[19:16] <giovani|work> heh
[19:18] <ball> There is a gap here in my study where the machine used to be.  Thinking about it, perhaps I should have kept the monitor.
[19:18] <ball> Oh well.
[19:19] <giovani|work> why do you need it to have a monitor?
[19:20] <ball> giovani|work: I may also use it for odd router configuration jobs, to look up documentation etc.
[19:20] <giovani|work> ah
[19:20] <ball> ...the terminal server role doesn't need (or benefit from) a monitor
[19:20] <giovani|work> I'd hope not :)
[19:20] <ball> ...though I suppose they'll also be able to walk up to it and type commands.
[19:20] <giovani|work> I like role separation
[19:20] <ball> (but they can do that from anywhere on the LAN now, without resorting to modems)
[19:21] <giovani|work> between servers and desktops
[19:21] <ball> giovani|work: agreed, but the terminal server role is trivial enough that it probably doesn't warrant an embedded board purchase.
[19:22] <ball> ...and using a computer may eventually help with logging.
[19:23] <giovani|work> I'd love to integrate some FreeBSD here
[19:23] <giovani|work> but we're all cranky and like everything to conform
[19:24] <ball> giovani: I'm impressed at how quickly I can bring up a server with Ubuntu Server.  The OS takes a bit longer to install, but I don't have to build all the application software from source.
[19:24] <giovani|work> heh, yeah, welcome to the world of binary distros ;)
[19:24] <ball> ...and updates are easier.
[19:24] <giovani|work> the OS install can be incredibly streamlined obviously
[19:24] <giovani|work> I haven't done a cd-based install in years
[19:26] <ball> I'm told that blade servers come with software that lets you install from your desktop.  I suppose with a large enough site you could use something like ROCKS to provision them.
[19:26]  * ball shrugss
[19:29] <ball> I need some more modern hardware (the ML110 is on-site and in service)
[19:40] <BrixSat2> :( i got port's forwarded to the server and still cant access 13000 :S
[19:41] <ball> 13,000 whats?
[19:41] <BrixSat2> rtorrent
[19:41] <ball> Oh, I like rtorrent.
[19:42] <BrixSat2> ball i cant seed because i do not know
[19:42] <BrixSat2> online test says that port is not forwarded but in the router it is
[19:43] <ball> Perhaps your router's broken.  Many seem to be.
[19:43] <BrixSat2> no it is not it works ok all other ports are ok i added some after and it is ok
[19:43] <ball> Can you forward 13000 on your router's WAN port to 22 on your server and then ssh in via 13000 ?
[19:43] <ball> (just to check the forwarding part)
[19:43] <BrixSat2> yes i can
[19:44] <BrixSat2> ill do it  in 2 seconds
[19:44] <BrixSat2> http://campingave.dyndns.tv
[19:45] <BrixSat2> be right back in 5 minutes
[19:45] <BrixSat2> try 12000 in ssh ;)
[19:45] <ball> Why 12000?
[19:46] <ball> I thought you wanted to test 13000
[19:46] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #403711 in samba4 (universe) "samba4 cannot mount cifs " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/403711
[19:46] <giovani|work> ball: I presume (re: install from your desktop) that you mean something KVMoIP or IPMI based?
[19:46] <giovani|work> that's present in many machines, including Supermicro's regular servers
[19:46] <giovani|work> but there's really no reason to be booting from cd, if you have a TFTP architecture in place
[19:46] <giovani|work> then you can fully automate installs on a per-machine basis with all of the settings customized
[19:47] <ball> giovani: I suppose which approach you take will depend on how many servers you have to support.
[19:47] <ball> For me, currently, that's not many.
[19:47] <giovani|work> I suppose ... with a blade system, you're likely already over the limit of doing things manually if you're smart :)
[19:48] <ball> I heard IPMI mentioned during the Ubuntu UK podcast as an alternative to the WoL magic packet
[19:48] <ball> giovani: true.  I'm mostly reading about blade servers because the day may come again when I need more than a handful of servers.
[19:49] <giovani|work> so, yeah, IPMI rocks
[19:50] <giovani|work> Supermicro has an awesome implementation of it (do I sound like a big enough Supermicro fanboi yet? ;)
[19:50] <ball> Perhaps I should read up on that.
[19:50] <giovani|work> but Dell DRAC and HP iLo aren't bad
[19:50] <ball> istr Supermicro used to make some well-regarded server mainboards.
[19:51] <giovani|work> yeah, they still do
[19:51] <ball> BrixSat2: nmap claims you don't have 13000 open, at least on campingave.dyndns.tv
[19:51] <giovani|work> they don't make entire ready-to-deploy servers
[19:51] <ball> giovani|work: any nice socket F systems?
[19:51] <ball> (I'm drawn to AMD's quad core 40 Watt chip)
[19:51] <giovani|work> but they make cases, and motherboards, and will sell them together, and you can either place your mb/hd/cpu in yourself, or pay an integrator to do it for you
[19:52] <giovani|work> however, they've gotten big into the blade market
[19:53] <giovani|work> they have plenty of Socket F stuff
[19:53] <giovani|work> (their A+ line is the AMD stuff)
[19:54] <giovani|work> s/mb/memory/
[19:57] <giovani|work> but yeah, Supermicro's KVMoIP/IPMI has saved me a few times when machines have broken
[19:57] <ball> brb, phone
[19:57] <giovani|work> much less expensive than an IP-KVM device, and less hassle
[20:03] <ball> ...and that's in the blades, or in the chassis?
[20:09] <giovani|work> ball: both, their IPMI stuff is becoming standard built-in to their higher-end boards
[20:09] <giovani|work> for the lower-end ones, it's usually a $50-100 add-in card that you plug into the motherboard on a special slot
[20:13] <ball> Does HP's ILO let you do comparable things?
[20:16] <giovani|work> kind of
[20:16] <giovani|work> it's probably more a matter of preference
[20:16] <giovani|work> the Supermicro stuff actually runs a *nix on the IPMI board
[20:16] <giovani|work> which you can script up and hack nicely
[20:16] <giovani|work> I prefer it
[20:17] <giovani|work> but the iLO and DRAC stuff is more corporate-friendly, definitely
[20:18]  * ball ponders
[20:19] <giovani|work> I'm sure there's a demo system up somewhere
[20:25] <ball> I have to go, sadly.
[20:25] <ball> giovani: where are you btw?
[20:27] <giovani|work> ball: NYC
[20:27] <giovani|work> you?
[20:33] <ball> Illinois
[20:34] <giovani|work> Chicago area? or outside?
[20:34] <ball> Outside
[20:34] <ball> If I lived in Chicago I'd probably be working more.
[20:34] <giovani|work> ah ok, I was just in Chicago last week on business
[20:36] <ball> Closest I've got lately is Brookfield Zoo
[20:37] <giovani|work> downtown wasn't too nice to stay in
[20:37] <giovani|work> every eatery closed at 9-10
[20:37] <giovani|work> difficult when you're working until 10pm every night :)
[20:38]  * ball nods
[20:38] <ball> I like food, me
[20:39] <ball> I have to go, but I shall return.
[20:39] <ball> giovani: thanks for your help.
[20:39] <giovani|work> no problem -- talk to you later
[20:53] <Daviey> ball: IPMI really is the good stuff.. Out of band control.. iLo is also good
[20:53] <Daviey> (don't bother with the iLo upgrade tho)
[20:54] <giovani|work> Daviey: iLO has an IPMI compatability layer I think
[20:57] <ball> Daviey!
[20:57] <ball> Do both ILO and IPMI let me install an OS on a server that's across the campus (or across the room)?
[20:58]  * ball misses serial consoles
[20:59] <ball> Same question for Sun ILOM.
[21:01] <ball> kirkland: ping
[21:03] <Byron_> hello everyone.
[21:04] <Byron> I'm using vsftpd and I can't seem to get a newly created user to have FTP access
[21:04] <ball> Hello Byron
[21:04] <Daviey> ball: both IPMI and iLo provide a serial console functionailty
[21:04] <Byron> Also, I can't see to FTP outside of my given IP through the router.
[21:04] <Byron> Hello ball
[21:04] <ball> Daviey: I meant real, old-fassioned serial consoles ;-)
[21:04] <Daviey> ball: However!  I have previously installed Ubuntu on totally remote servers, with just ssh :)
[21:04] <ball> ...but it's good to know that similar functionality is available via IP now.
[21:05] <ball> Daviey: don't you need some sort of LOM to ssh into bare metal?
[21:05] <Daviey> ball: IPMI and iLo rely upon on a soft serial console.. so the OS still needs to be setup as you normally would
[21:05] <Daviey> ball: nah.. just preseed, set grub, and ssh into debian-installer :)
[21:06] <ball> Daviey: ah, so doesn't work with a bare machine then?
[21:07] <Daviey> ball: you either need VNC or similar to setup windows to allow you to, or if it's already a linux box - ssh in and set a minimal instatter
[21:07] <Daviey> ball: iLo and IPMI work with bare metal, yes
[21:07]  * ball nods
[21:07] <ball> ...but your ssh example requires something in-situ
[21:07] <ball> Anyway, it's good to know.
[21:07] <Daviey> ball: you need to redirect the bios output to the fake serial port.
[21:08] <ball> Daviey: was it just me, or was there an implication in the kirkland interview that Xen was just for machines that lack hardware virtualisation?
[21:08] <Daviey> ball: hmm.. i've installed Ubuntu on remote windows and linux with just VNC or ssh.
[21:09] <Daviey> ball: Well many will agree that xen is largely dead on modern hardware..
[21:09] <ball> That's interesting.  It's not a view that I've encountered elsewhere.
[21:10] <ball> Anyway, kvm seems to have some interesting capabilities
[21:10] <Daviey> ball: I've only got a couple of xen servers left, and they are slowly being moved over to kvm
[21:10] <ball> I want to ask kirkland for clarification on some of them, but that will have to wait until I get some other things done.
[21:11] <Daviey> ball: TBH Xen doesn't even work that well on Ubuntu in my experience.. it takes some poking
[21:11]  * ball nods
[21:11] <ball> Not surprising if people have been concentrating their efforts on KVM
[21:11] <Daviey> When Citrix bought Xen, they didn't keep the work flow going like it was before
[21:12] <ball> ugh.  phone.
[21:12] <Daviey> ball: you need to remember that Xen isn't even linux in the form we know it.. It's a huge patchset, that constantly needs tweaking to work with modern kernels
[21:15] <giovani|work> ball: so, Supermicro's IPMI extensions (KVMoIP) work on bare-bones machines
[21:15] <giovani|work> you don't need anything installed
[21:20] <ball> Daviey: I'd rather run something that appeared to the guest OS as though it were basically bare metal
[21:20] <ball> Thanks giovani
[21:20] <ball> Ironically that phone call was about a device with a serial console that just hung for no readily-discernable reason.
[21:21] <ball> I'll have to read up on KVM when I get back home.
[21:21] <ball> I have about 45 minutes to run out and do a bunch of chores.
[21:22] <Daviey> ball: I think you missed what i said. :)
[21:23] <ball> Daviey: which part?
[21:23]  * ball is confused now.  It sounds as though kvm is preferable for Linux servers.
[21:23] <ball> (virtualisation thereon)
[21:24] <jpds> ball: It is?
[21:25] <ball> jpds: that's the impression I get from the podcast and from the conversation I've just had here.
[21:25] <Daviey> It is.
[21:26] <ball> I liked the idea that the hypervisor can throttle back the clock if a server is lightly loaded too.
[21:26] <Daviey> I was dubious of the choice to favour kvm over xen in Ubuntu.. However, it was the correct choice :)
[21:27] <Daviey> ball: Well the main bottleneck is often disk IO.. and using kvm OR xen these can be prioritised per instance.
[21:29] <Daviey> Using KVM you can also better prioritise other resources.
[21:29] <ball> Daviey: This is stuff I need to learn, but I'll have to annex half of Mrs. ball's machine to get started (hers has amd-v)
[21:30] <ball> I shouldn't try this on the production server.
[21:31] <Daviey> no.. best to learn on a test box
[21:32]  * ball nods
[21:32] <ball> Daviey: pity I'm not in a position to buy a development server.
[21:32] <ball> Oh well
[21:32] <ball> I'll be back later, perhaps when you're snoring.
[21:33] <Daviey> :)
[21:33] <Daviey> ball: see if you can aquire a spare one at work :)
[21:34] <ball> Daviey: we only have the one.  Might be an idea for us to secure a backup server at some point.
[21:35] <ball> bye!
[21:52] <BrixSat2> ball thanks
[21:53] <jpds> BrixSat2: Too late!
[21:53] <BrixSat2> jpds i know :(
[21:54] <BrixSat2> why does my stupid thomson  does not make port forward correctly :@
[22:01] <Byron> How do I create a FTP user for vsftpd? I seem to have all the requirements but it won't go online
[22:01] <Byron> err, it won't connect
[22:01] <jj__> hello
[22:01] <jj__> help openvpn
[22:02] <jj__> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/231513/
[22:03] <jpds> jj__: Try looking for more info with: tail -n 20 /var/log/daemon.log
[22:06] <Byron> IIRC, I just need to add the user/password and I'm all set
[22:06] <jj__> openvpn.log the file is empty
[22:09] <jj__> Install openvpn via apt
[22:09] <jj__> create certificates
[22:09] <jj__> configuration server.conf
[22:09] <jj__> when I / etc / init.d / openvpn start me from that mistake
[23:08] <JordiGH> Are backports automatically pinned low?
[23:08]  * JordiGH checks.
[23:09] <JordiGH> They're not!
[23:09] <JordiGH> Hm.
[23:09] <JordiGH> This is a big difference from Debian.
[23:11] <ScottK-desktop> It is.
[23:11] <ScottK-desktop> It's on the list for things to change.
[23:18] <JordiGH> Oh well, I can pin manually.
[23:22] <maccam94> I need run a command on bootup. do i need to write an rc script for this (if so, how?) or is there an easier way?
[23:22] <maccam94> *to run
[23:58] <jj__> Jul 24 23:39:14 debian ovpn-server[3280]: Warning: Error redirecting stdout/stderr to --log file: /var/log/openvpn/openvpn.log: No such file or directory (er
[23:58] <jj__> rno=2)
[23:58] <jj__> Jul 24 23:39:14 debian ovpn-server[3280]: OpenVPN 2.1_rc11 i486-pc-linux-gnu [SSL] [LZO2] [EPOLL] [PKCS11] built on Sep 18 2008
[23:58] <jj__> Jul 24 23:39:14 debian ovpn-server[3280]: Note: cannot open /var/log/openvpn/openvpn-status.log for WRITE
[23:58] <jj__> Jul 24 23:39:14 debian ovpn-server[3280]: Cannot load DH parameters from /etc/openvpn/easy-rsa/keys/01.pem: error:0906D06C:PEM routines:PEM_read_bio:no start
[23:59] <jj__>  line