[00:13] <micahg> SiDi: I think I figured it out
[00:14] <SiDi> What is it ?
[00:15] <micahg> I have to play with it
[00:15] <micahg> but could it be in  xfconf-query?
[00:18] <SiDi> ii checked xfconf and didnt find it
[00:18] <micahg> yeah
[00:18] <micahg> \I can;t seem to either
[00:21] <micahg> found it ;)
[00:21] <micahg> xfbrowser4
[00:24] <SiDi>  [00:50] <SiDi> the answer probably hides in xfbrowser's source code but i'm a but busy at the moment
[00:24] <SiDi> a bit * ie. i cant browse it but its somewhere inside the source
[00:24] <micahg> :)
[00:24] <micahg> sorry
[00:24] <micahg> didn't catch that
[00:25] <micahg> xfbrowser4 %url% will work for m
[00:25] <micahg> e
[01:21] <Ameropasia> Hey guys, I have Xubuntu on a fairly old computer, I plan to buy a RAM stick or two, whats the maximum RAM Xubuntu can have?
[01:30] <SiDi_> Ameropasia: 32bits can go to 3.2 GB, 64 bits to much, much, much RAM
[01:31] <Ameropasia> I'm a bit of a noob, how do I know if I have 32 bits pr 64?
[01:32] <Ameropasia> or*
[01:36] <Ameropasia> And I have one more problem, I'm running mIRC through Wine, when I try to put a script on to mIRC, I hit alt+R and then the pop up box comes up, but it freezes and exits mIRC, anyone have ideas about that?
[01:51] <jadez03> you would be better to ask in the wine channel
[01:52] <jadez03> i think its either #wine or #winehq
[01:52] <jadez03> not sure though
[01:52] <jadez03> or just use xchat :)
[01:52] <jadez03> no need for wine
[01:57] <SiDi_> Ameropasia: if you dont know you're very very likely using 32bits
[01:57] <SiDi_> unless you used the 'amd64' cd to install
[01:57] <SiDi_> About your mIRC problem, well, install xchat and use it ! :) (irssi is good too :D)
[02:07] <ColbyIsColby> Hi all.
[02:10] <Ameropasia> I use Xchat mainly, I just wanted to use some mIRC scripts
[04:44] <Mkop> this is strange. I rebooted my computer (running xubuntu) and now the xfce panels aren't showing up. rebooting again didn't fix it.
[05:15] <ColbyIsColby> hi all
[05:27] <zerothis> I have an ibook G3 original without a CD drive. How should go about putting xubuntu on it? I already tried an external CD-ROM, the ibook did not list it as a boot device for option+boot.
[06:17] <forces> zerothis, xubuntu doesn't support ppc architecture any more
[09:00] <psycho_oreos> th0r, now continuing on about that interesting topic on wireless lol
[11:46] <newill> hello to every body
[11:48] <SiDi> hi
[12:01] <newill> I need some help
[12:01] <newill> can you help me in ubuntu?
[12:02] <jadez03> depends what you need
[12:03] <SiDi> !ask | newill
[12:04] <jadez03> SiDi, i'll have to remember that one ;)
[12:05] <SiDi> newill: what is your problem exactly ? How may we help you ?
[12:05] <newill> yes
[12:06] <newill> when I start the pc don't load the grafics, but remain black screen and login e password
[12:07] <newill> I can write only commands
[12:08] <newill> but I am a few time with ubuntu and don't know a lot of command or solutions
[12:08] <newill> did I was clear?????
[12:08] <jadez03> is this off a fresh install or did you recently change something that caused this
[12:08] <jadez03> and please focus on your english, not quite understanding you
[12:08] <newill> no I did not nothing
[12:08] <newill> sorry
[12:09] <jadez03> its okay, not all of us are native speakers
[12:09] <jadez03> did you just install xubuntu?
[12:09] <newill> thanks
[12:09] <newill> I installed Ubuntu 6 month ago
[12:09] <jadez03> and it worked fine until now?
[12:09] <newill> yesterday I was using normaly the pc
[12:10] <jadez03> what happens if you type 'startx' and hit enter
[12:10] <newill> in the night when I turn on
[12:11] <newill> it say: unable to open wrapper config file
[12:11] <jadez03> hmmm
[12:11] <newill> user not authorized
[12:11] <jadez03> sudo startx
[12:12] <newill> I now write: sudo startx
[12:12] <jadez03> yes
[12:12] <newill> it appera a grey screen
[12:12] <jadez03> thats it? just a grey screen?
[12:12] <newill> mouse work...but there are only a loto of grey points
[12:13] <newill> yes
[12:13] <jadez03> i think you messed up your install big time last time you used it
[12:13] <jadez03> your x session wasn't logged in
[12:13] <jadez03> which is why you can use the mouse now
[12:13] <jadez03> but there is a bigger problem at hand here
[12:13] <jadez03> unless of course it's just loading really slow
[12:13] <jadez03> can't really tell since im not there
[12:14] <newill> what can I should try now?
[12:14] <jadez03> what are ' a loto grey points'
[12:14] <newill> grey color
[12:15] <jadez03> try hitting alt+f2
[12:15] <jadez03> does a run prompt come up?
[12:15] <newill> nothing
[12:15] <jadez03> hmmm
[12:15] <jadez03> i don't know man
[12:15] <jadez03> your x session isn't logging in
[12:16] <jadez03> it does this every time you reboot?
[12:16] <newill> yes
[12:16] <newill> I tried many times
[12:17] <newill> could be the grafic driver?
[12:17] <jadez03> could be a lot of things
[12:17] <jadez03> i'm not sure
[12:17] <newill> I can lunch the recovery mode
[12:17] <jadez03> and i'm quite tired at the moment, need to go to bed
[12:18] <jadez03> sorry i couldn't help you
[12:18] <jadez03> good luck
[12:18] <newill> the pc in the 'eeepc'
[12:18] <newill> thanks
[12:19] <SiDi> newill: it's the graphics driver, please try the recovery mode
[12:20] <SiDi> newill: do you know if there have been any kernel updates recently ?
[12:20] <SiDi> What graphic card do you have ?
[13:58] <Alvinware> Any recommendation for cleanup tool for Ubuntu?
[13:59] <Alvinware> fuck, all away?!
[13:59] <Alvinware> fuck pricey!
[18:33] <Ahmuck> !mp3
[18:47] <x_> hello all. need help with xubuntu running at 100% cpu all the time. Anyone herd of this?
[18:50] <vinnl> x_, you can open the System Monitor (Applications->System) and check what is clogging your system
[18:52] <x_> vinnl, its xorg
[18:52] <x_> vinnl, its a common problem how ever can not find a solution
[18:52] <vinnl> Hmm
[18:52] <vinnl> Got a link?
[18:52] <x_> 1sec
[18:54] <x_> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-316924.html
[18:54] <x_> heres one
[18:54] <zerothis> did forces mean #xubuntu does support PPC or that the xubuntu distro doesn't come in PPC format? Because I downloaded a jaunty PPC iso, there was a PS3 variant there  too
[18:55] <x_> i googled cpu 100% Xorg xubuntu and am stuck for ideas
[18:59] <vinnl> x_, has this always happened or did this first start occurring with a software update?
[18:59] <x_> vinnl, ever since download/install with wubi
[19:01] <ARMENIAN> hey, why does xfce use more ram than ubuntu?
[19:01] <vinnl> x_, hmm... You could try a reinstall but that's unpleasant :P
[19:02] <x_> vinnl, can i reinstall from command prompt?
[19:02] <x_> vinnl i have no idea how to fix this aye.
[19:02] <vinnl> x_, well, I mean of your whole Xubuntu... Meaning going into Windows, removing Xubuntu and reinstaling it with Wubi (or a real install, of course)
[19:03] <vinnl> x_, yeah sorry, I don't have the proper fix as well, someone might come along who does
[19:03] <vinnl> !xorg
[19:04] <SiDi> zerothis: i dont know what forces said but as far as i know yes there is a PPC ISO
[19:04] <x_> vinnl, how do i remove xubuntu from windows?
[19:04] <vinnl> x_, IIRC like you'd remove most applications in Windows, in the Add/Remove screen
[19:04] <vinnl> Not sure where to find that
[19:05] <vinnl> !ppc
[19:05] <x_> vinnl, k will try. ty
[19:05] <x_> bye
[19:05] <vinnl> Bye, good luck
[19:06] <vinnl> Ah,here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCDownloads :)
[19:06] <vinnl> PS3 as well indeed
[19:33] <DJNomad> hello all
[19:34] <DJNomad> im wondering what media players I can get that wont slow xubuntu too much
[19:34] <vinnl> DJNomad, depends on how much effort you're willing to put into it ;-)
[19:35] <DJNomad> vinnl,  lol depends on what kind of effort you are talking about lol
[19:36] <vinnl> DJNomad, well, mpd is light but you need to set it up through a text file, and you'll want to install mpc and configure some keybindings to control it, andperhaps a graphical front-end too ;-)
[19:36] <vinnl> But once you've done that, it's heaven :)
[19:36] <SiDi> DJNomad: if your computer isnt that slow i recommand Exaile 0.3.0, if you really need something EXTREMELY light, use mpd (backend) + mpc or ario (frontend)
[19:37] <DJNomad> I have run exaile before
[19:37] <DJNomad> my pc is 733 mhz I forget how much ran ibelieve its over 512 tho
[19:38] <DJNomad> guess I will stick to listen
[19:39] <DJNomad> it aint too bad lacks a few features i like or I cant figure them out yet
[19:39] <DJNomad> only used it for about ahour so far
[19:40] <vinnl> There are a few more you can take a look at: Decibel, Quod Libet, ...
[19:43] <DJNomad> has anyone had problems connecting a cell phone via usb and getting linux to access the micro sd memory card ?
[19:44] <noobneedshelp> Hi, I'm completely new at xubuntu and I need some noob help :x
[19:44] <DJNomad> k nnob
[19:44] <DJNomad> I am lil new too but have solved a few probs
[19:45] <DJNomad> keyboard not working?
[19:45] <noobneedshelp> I...can't figure out how to download... :x
[19:45] <DJNomad> jk lol
[19:45] <DJNomad> download ?
[19:45] <DJNomad> like what ?
[19:45] <noobneedshelp> right now Im trying to download skype and audacity
[19:46] <DJNomad> kk
[19:46] <DJNomad> noob u on xubuntu?
[19:46] <noobneedshelp> yeah
[19:46] <vinnl> noobneedshelp, which versoin of Xubuntu are you using?
[19:46] <DJNomad> go to start button
[19:47] <DJNomad> and add/remove progs
[19:47] <DJNomad> more than likely you are trying to get them from a website ?
[19:47] <noobneedshelp> the newest version of xubuntu, I just got it today
[19:47] <noobneedshelp> yeah
[19:47] <vinnl> noobneedshelp, Applications->Add/Remove...
[19:47] <DJNomad> in linux you get all progs from the add remove on start button
[19:48] <vinnl> DJNomad, not in every Linux ;-)
[19:48] <DJNomad> vinnl I was using it loosly cause i knew he was in xubuntu
[19:49] <vinnl> Why not say Xubuntu then? :)
[19:49] <noobneedshelp> so everything is in the add/remove? like you can search for stuff to download there?
[19:49] <vinnl> noobneedshelp, exactly
[19:49] <DJNomad> noobneedshelp,  yes
[19:50] <vinnl> And if security updates for those applications are released, you'll get notified of those too and you can install them all with a single click :)
[19:50] <noobneedshelp> I like this :)
[19:50] <vinnl> noobneedshelp, there is much to like inXubuntu ;-)
[19:50] <vinnl> noobneedshelp, oh, by the way
[19:50] <vinnl> noobneedshelp, you might want to select "All available applications" in the drop-down menu on top
[19:51] <DJNomad> noobneedshelp,  me too I ran into the same prob when i first started but now i know I love it
[19:51] <noobneedshelp> now I have another problem...when I installed xubuntu, I used dual booting, and somehow xubuntu only got like a gig of memory...is there a way to change that?
[19:51] <vinnl> noobneedshelp, oh, and another thing: there is an excellent desktop guide available for stuff like this, just click the Buoy in the top panel'
[19:51] <vinnl> You mean RAM memory?
[19:52] <DJNomad> noobneedshelp,  do you have flash and java installed yet ?
[19:52] <noobneedshelp> no I dont have flash and java installed yet
[19:52] <dew> vinll, you still there?
[19:52] <noobneedshelp> and I mean just memory not ram, but like disk space
[19:52] <vinnl> dew, yep
[19:53] <noobneedshelp> I thought I gave xubuntu half of the memory but somehow it only got like 1 gig...theres a bit of problems with that :x
[19:53] <vinnl> Where do you see that?
[19:53] <vinnl> (Because IIRC Xubuntu was 1,8GB large :P)
[19:54] <dew> vinnl, its x_. tryed to reinstall and failed.:( can u help plz im?
[19:54] <noobneedshelp> it says that it cant even install the updates because Idont have enough memory
[19:54] <DJNomad> noobneedshelp,  in xubuntu you can resize partitions
[19:54] <DJNomad> I have never done it so I will leave that to someone that has
[19:55] <vinnl> dew, OK, ehm, how did it fail?
[19:56] <vinnl> noobneedshelp, you can install "Gnome Partition Editor" to edit your partitions
[19:56] <dew> vinll, un RAM issue says i havent got enogh RAM. It worked like 5hrs ago .
[19:56] <vinnl> noobneedshelp, I think it can resize partitions, not sure if it can resize forward
[19:56] <DJNomad> noobneedshelp, you can get the partition editor from add remove
[19:57] <vinnl> dew, has your computer been turned off meanwhile? Perhaps there's just a lot in RAM atm. (It's vinnl with double-n btw :)
[19:57] <noobneedshelp> I dont see it in addremove :o
[19:58] <dew> vinnl, Soz.lol yea maybe. i dnt think so though. maybe starting the app uses RAM? not to sure.
[19:58] <DJNomad> noobneedshelp,  I use a trick when installing over windows.I duplicate a few big files before installin linux to set aside the room I need for linux
[19:59] <noobneedshelp> what
[19:59] <DJNomad> do you have the all selected ?
[19:59] <vinnl> noobneedshelp, have you selected "All Available Applications" in the drop-down menu on top?
[19:59] <DJNomad> in drop down box
[19:59] <noobneedshelp> yea
[19:59] <vinnl> dew, yeah well other applications might be lingering as well. You could try a restart and if you still experience the problem come back here :)
[20:00] <DJNomad> noobneedshelp,  I am checking mine to see whats there ,I am on a new install also
[20:01] <vinnl> noobneedshelp, what did you search on?
[20:01] <DJNomad> noobneedshelp,  in the search box i typed gpart and it showed up for me
[20:01] <dew> vinnl yea did that and then come back here. :( this is so frustrating
[20:02] <vinnl> Hmm :S
[20:02] <DJNomad> make sure you are in the all tab
[20:02] <noobneedshelp> gpart doesnt show for me
[20:02] <vinnl> It's the exact same installer as before?
[20:02] <noobneedshelp> I am in the all tab
[20:02] <noobneedshelp> brb
[20:03] <vinnl> noobneedshelp, OK, that's odd. Could you perhaps post a screenshot somewhere?
[20:03] <DJNomad> its gnome pariton editor
[20:04] <dew> vinnl yea havent changed a thing.:(
[20:05] <vinnl> OK then... Is there a way to see which applications are using RAM in Windows? If so, try that so see what is consuming it :P
[20:06] <noobneedshelp> back...um how do I screenshot?
[20:06] <noobneedshelp> nvm
[20:06] <noobneedshelp> that was easy to screenshot...Ill post it on imageshack
[20:06] <vinnl> Ah great :)
[20:07] <DJNomad> http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=58472585&albumID=940103&imageID=53605416
[20:07] <dew> vinnl k brb
[20:07] <DJNomad> theres screenshot of what i get
[20:08] <noobneedshelp> http://yfrog.com/58screenshotbjbp
[20:08] <vinnl> How the hell? 0.o
[20:08] <vinnl> Hmm, might that have todo with little memory
[20:08] <DJNomad> thats odd I installed mine yesterday
[20:09] <DJNomad> xubuntu that is and havent added any sources
[20:09] <DJNomad> vinnl,  think we can get a deb package?
[20:09] <vinnl> Ah yes we could do that, good idea
[20:10] <vinnl> noobneedshelp, you're not on 64bit right? (You'd know if you were)
[20:10] <noobneedshelp> no
[20:10] <vinnl> noobneedshelp, then you can also download the installer from the web: http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gparted/gparted_0.4.3-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[20:11] <DJNomad> noobneedshelp,  if you ever find something on a website you want to add to your comp it need to be a deb package
[20:12] <DJNomad> I would try to stick to add or remove if you can tho
[20:14] <noobneedshelp> ok thanks
[20:14] <noobneedshelp> hm wierd
[20:14] <noobneedshelp> it says
[20:14] <noobneedshelp> same version is available in software channel
[20:14] <noobneedshelp> when it wasnt :x
[20:14] <DJNomad>  lol
[20:15] <vinnl> noobneedshelp, but can you install it?
[20:15] <DJNomad> noobneedshelp,  do you have more than one hdd on the computer?
[20:15] <noobneedshelp> it installed but now it says failed to mount os
[20:15] <vinnl> (It might also be that the list of applications for Add/Remove... wasout of date, and perhaps it couldn't regenerate because of lackof space)
[20:15] <noobneedshelp> yeah
[20:15] <vinnl> noobneedshelp, where does it say that?
[20:16] <noobneedshelp> as soon as I open gparted
[20:16] <noobneedshelp> the enclosing drive for the volume is locked
[20:16] <vinnl> Ah, of course
[20:16] <noobneedshelp> ... o.0
[20:16] <vinnl> Ehm, do you happen to have a LiveCD lyring around? You obviously can't resize a hard disk while you're using it :P
[20:17] <DJNomad> surely he does he just installed
[20:17] <dew> vinnl what os is it using?
[20:17] <vinnl> dew, is what using?
[20:17] <DJNomad> xubuntu,windows
[20:17] <noobneedshelp> Yeah I have a livecd right next to me
[20:17] <DJNomad> for noobneedshelp  ?
[20:18] <vinnl> noobneedshelp, try running that. It'll have Gnome Partition Editor already installed, you just need to run it from Applications->System
[20:18] <noobneedshelp> so I need to reformat the computer again...?
[20:18] <dew> vinnl oh noobneedshelp
[20:18] <DJNomad> no noobneedshelp  no reformat
[20:19] <vinnl> noobneedshelp, no IIRC you can resize partitions preserving the content on them
[20:19] <vinnl> dew, dual boot I believe
[20:19] <noobneedshelp> wut
[20:19] <DJNomad> I resized one once and it failed and friend my pc
[20:19] <DJNomad> think it overheated tho
[20:19] <vinnl> Oww...
[20:19] <dew> noobneedshelp what os n RAM u have?
[20:20] <noobneedshelp> xubuntu 9.04 I think it is...whatever the new one is...and dual booting with vista, and 3 gigs ram
[20:21] <DJNomad> noobneedshelp,  you should use gnome desktop
[20:21] <noobneedshelp> what will that do
[20:21] <DJNomad> imho
[20:21] <dew> noobneedshelp yea gnomes good. google wubi mate.
[20:21] <vinnl> noobneedshelp, the newest is 9.04 :)
[20:21] <dew> yea juanty
[20:21] <vinnl> And GNOME is what comes with Ubuntu but if you're content with Xubuntu just stick to that :)
[20:22] <noobneedshelp> how would that change the partitions...
[20:22] <DJNomad> xubuntu is xfce desktop(lightweight) gnome is a lil more user friendly a9lil heavier)
[20:22] <vinnl> noobneedshelp, it wouldn't
[20:23] <dew> noobneedshelp oh try EASEUS partitioner (google)
[20:23] <vinnl> Anyway, either you have to reinstall and do it correctly, or you have to resize the partitions from the LiveCD
[20:23] <dew> oh have you got a live cd?
[20:23] <noobneedshelp> ok I have the live cd
[20:24] <vinnl> noobneedshelp, OK, try and run that
[20:25] <noobneedshelp> ok...its back to the screen it was when I installed the os
[20:25] <noobneedshelp> what should I tell it to do
[20:25] <vinnl> noobneedshelp, have you selected "Run without installing anything?"
[20:25] <noobneedshelp> ok i can do that
[20:27] <dew> vinnl, will try this download and install. talk soon.
[20:27] <vinnl> K :)
[20:27] <noobneedshelp> ok now what...
[20:27] <vinnl> noobneedshelp, you're seeing a desktop now?
[20:28] <noobneedshelp> yea
[20:28] <vinnl> OK, open Applications->System->Partition Editor
[20:28] <noobneedshelp> same error
[20:29] <noobneedshelp> failed to mount data, enclosing drive is locked
[20:29] <vinnl> Hmm? And you're sure you're in the LiveCD?
[20:29] <noobneedshelp> yeah
[20:29] <vinnl> OK... Do you see any drives on your desktop?
[20:29] <noobneedshelp> umm I saw the install button
[20:29] <vinnl> But nothing else?
[20:29] <noobneedshelp> um idk I logged out...
[20:30] <noobneedshelp> Im thinking maybe its because vista has passwords on it idk
[20:30] <noobneedshelp> Ima check
[20:30] <vinnl> No, don't think so. Unless you encrypted those drives or something
[20:30] <noobneedshelp> umm what do you mean by encrypted?
[20:31] <vinnl> If you know how to resize partitions from within Windows that's fine too btw
[20:31] <vinnl> Oh, if you don't know what it is then you haven't done that :)
[20:31] <noobneedshelp> I have a hidden desktop thing on windows thats suppose to hide everything...it might encrypt idk
[20:32] <auntieNeo> uh, I installed the latest xubuntu and set it to auto-login (this is a box for some newbs...)
[20:32] <auntieNeo> it booted fine the first time and I updated everything and activated the restricted nvidia drivers as it requested
[20:32] <vinnl> Oh OK that might be doing it, perhaps. How does it "hide" stuff?
[20:32] <noobneedshelp> Im not entirely sure..Ill look it up
[20:33] <auntieNeo> when I rebooted, it auto-logged-in, but now it's just sitting there with a light blue screen and a cursor
[20:33] <auntieNeo> I don't think the window manager has started
[20:33] <auntieNeo> and I can't ctrl+alt+backspace to get out
[20:33] <vinnl> auntieNeo, when you press Alt+F2 do you see anything?
[20:33] <DJNomad> aunti mine does that for a bit before boot
[20:34] <DJNomad> only 10 sec or 15
[20:34] <auntieNeo> vinnl: switching to the other terminals make my monitor say "no video" :(
[20:34] <vinnl> Hmm, this happens reproducably?
[20:34] <auntieNeo> DJNomad: mine's been doing this for about five minutes :P
[20:34] <noobneedshelp> umm I dont know if this is exactly it but this is the sort of thing I have on my computer http://www.hiddendesktop.com/
[20:34] <auntieNeo> vinnl: yeah, I've rebooted a few times
[20:35] <auntieNeo> the other thing I did was I deleted the ~/.config/menu directory, because there was a bunch of menu cruds from a previous install
[20:35] <auntieNeo> (this home directory is an old one from the previous distro...)
[20:35] <vinnl> auntieNeo, OK, uhm... You could try removing the driver from the command line if you remember the name
[20:36] <auntieNeo> heh, guess I gotta boot single user mode; I can't even kill X :/
[20:37] <vinnl> noobneedshelp, that might be the cause indeed
[20:38] <auntieNeo> hehe, I used my ninja skills and killed X by typing on a terminal even though it wasn't being displayed ;P
[20:39] <vinnl> You just earned yourself ten manly points :P
[20:41] <auntieNeo> pfft, do it all the time ;p
[20:41] <auntieNeo> whenever I screw up ssh on my server xD
[20:42] <noobneedshelp> so if I shrink the volume on vista, itll be bigger on xubuntu?
[20:42] <auntieNeo> I changed the nvidia driver from nvidia to nv but to no avail
[20:42] <auntieNeo> xfce still doesn't start up
[20:42] <auntieNeo> the failsafe terminal works, though
[20:43] <auntieNeo> I'll try failsafe gnome I guess...
[20:45] <vinnl> noobneedshelp, no you'll also need to enlarge Xubuntu's partition
[20:45] <vinnl> (Assuming they're both on the same harddrive)
[20:45] <auntieNeo> okay, I don't have gnome, so failsafe gnome failed :P
[20:45] <auntieNeo> this is so silly... it worked the first time :/
[20:46] <vinnl> auntieNeo, from the failsafe terminal, can you type startxfce4 and see what happen?
[20:51] <auntieNeo> vinnl: one sec...
[20:52] <auntieNeo> I created a second user, and xfce started properly
[20:52] <auntieNeo> I'll try the command with the first user
[20:52] <vinnl> Ah then it's probably the cruft from the previousdistro
[20:54] <auntieNeo> I'm guessing cruft, but it worked the first time
[20:55] <auntieNeo> uh, when I run startxfce4, it starts the window manager and draws decorations around xterm, but it doesn't start the panels
[20:55] <auntieNeo> the terminal shows some debug output from nm-applet and the update_notifier...
[20:56] <auntieNeo> the last thing the update_notifier says is something about "crashreport_check"
[20:56] <vinnl> OK, how about xfce4-panel?
[20:56] <auntieNeo> but it doesn't say "error" or anything
[20:56] <vinnl> Yeah well it probably crashed before it could display an error :P
[20:58] <auntieNeo> uhh.... well, I killed X and tried to run startxfce4 a second time, but it says there's "already a server on display :0.0" :P
[20:58] <auntieNeo> X server already running on display :0.0
[20:58] <auntieNeo> actually
[20:58] <auntieNeo> gah, silly
[20:59] <auntieNeo> xfce4-panel just sits there, doesn't ouput anything, and doesn't stop
[21:00] <auntieNeo> and it segfaults when I try to kill it :/
[21:00] <vinnl> It's probably to the running display I suppose
[21:00] <vinnl> Anyway, really sounds like you'll want to get rid of the cruft
[21:01] <auntieNeo> if I get rid of the cruft, will I still have a default menu to use?
[21:01]  * auntieNeo deletes all the hidden files that he doesn't recognize ;P
[21:02] <vinnl> The menu is defined globally so as long as you delete stuff in your home directory it shouldn't
[21:02] <vinnl> However, you might just want to create a new user and copy all your documents to that one
[21:14] <auntieNeo> okay, I removed the cruft, and xfce started working for the user
[21:14] <auntieNeo> then I rebooted...
[21:15] <auntieNeo> and now I get a white screen
[21:15] <auntieNeo> no cursor this time :/
[21:15] <vinnl> :S
[21:15] <auntieNeo> and the hdd light is blinking like crazy
[21:15] <vinnl> With absolutely no cruft left?
[21:15] <auntieNeo> jeah
[21:15] <auntieNeo> I left .wine and a few other things
[21:16] <auntieNeo> but mostly nothing
[21:16] <vinnl> And how about that other user you created? Doesn't that work anymore too?
[21:17] <auntieNeo> okay wow... I go to the blank console of blackness... then I log in and kill Xorg...
[21:17] <auntieNeo> and now, on the 7th terminal, it's showing xfce4 xD
[21:17] <vinnl> \o/
[21:18] <auntieNeo> but it's gotta work every time ;/
[21:18] <auntieNeo> I'ma reboot..
[21:18] <vinnl> K
[21:18] <auntieNeo> heh, "unable to preform shutdown" :P
[21:18] <knome> auntieNeo, log out from all the tty's
[21:19] <vinnl> What have you done to that thing? :P
[21:19] <knome> auntieNeo, or just select shutdown again from gdm
[21:19] <knome> vinnl, that's a known bug :P
[21:19] <knome> vinnl, can't shut down if you have a tty open
[21:19] <vinnl> Ah :P
[21:19] <knome> i mean, if you're looged in from a tty
[21:19] <auntieNeo> knome: good call
[21:20] <knome> auntieNeo, np
[21:21] <auntieNeo> okay, it worked that time
[21:21] <auntieNeo> now, I'll forget that ever happened and NEVER touch that box again
[21:21] <auntieNeo> hopefully it continues to function ;P
[21:21] <vinnl> ^.^
[21:24] <ColbyIsColby> What specs are you guys running Xubuntu at?
[21:25] <auntieNeo> I'm running it on a 900MHz PIII
[21:26] <ColbyIsColby> RAM?
[21:26] <auntieNeo> it's like 340 or something
[21:26] <ColbyIsColby> Ohh.
[21:26] <vinnl> 1GB RAM 60GB HD is one, I also ran it on this machine with 1GB RAM
[21:26] <ColbyIsColby> I am debating on whether or not to install Xubuntu on my old iMac DV.
[21:26] <vinnl> Two processors of 1.66 GHz according to system monitor
[21:27] <ColbyIsColby> I want it for all the applications. I was thinking of Debian, but I am new to Linux, and I would have to figure out how to install all applications with apt-get
[21:27] <auntieNeo> apt-get is pretty easy to use
[21:28] <vinnl> ColbyIsColby, you can use Synaptic in Debian as well as in Xubuntu
[21:28] <ColbyIsColby> Really?
[21:28] <ColbyIsColby> Oh.
[21:28] <vinnl> And I believe Add/Remove... is in Debian too
[21:28] <vinnl> But don't pin me up on that one
[21:28] <auntieNeo> basically, you go to this site: http://packages.ubuntu.org
[21:28] <ColbyIsColby> I won't. :)
[21:28] <auntieNeo> you search for the package you want
[21:28] <auntieNeo> and then you do "sudo apt-get install <name-of-package>"
[21:28] <ColbyIsColby> Ohh.
[21:28] <auntieNeo> in a terminal
[21:29] <ColbyIsColby> That's waaay simpler than I thought it would be.
[21:29] <vinnl> auntieNeo, why not using Add/Remove... or Synaptic?
[21:29] <ColbyIsColby> I think apt-get is more lightweight, is it not?
[21:29] <vinnl> Yeah because you can run it frmo the command line without graphical interface
[21:29] <ColbyIsColby> Yeah.
[21:29] <auntieNeo> vinnl: because guis are lame :P
[21:29] <vinnl> You can also use apt-cache search, I believe, instead of having to visit a website
[21:30] <ColbyIsColby> lmao.
[21:30] <vinnl> auntieNeo, then why are you using Xubuntu? ;-)
[21:30] <auntieNeo> yeah, there's ways to search on the command line
[21:30] <ColbyIsColby> GUI's is lame. Text based FTW
[21:30] <auntieNeo> vinnl: I'm not using Xubuntu... I installed it for my family ;P
[21:30] <ColbyIsColby> Except for desktops.
[21:30] <ColbyIsColby> Then GUI's are good.
[21:30] <auntieNeo> I mostly use either gentoo, arch, or debian-based stuff
[21:30] <ColbyIsColby> Og.
[21:30] <ColbyIsColby> *Oh.
[21:30] <auntieNeo> ubuntu's actually pretty good for command line use
[21:30] <ColbyIsColby> Gentoo? Isn't that all text based?
[21:30] <vinnl> Ah, got me there :P
[21:31] <vinnl> Nope
[21:31] <auntieNeo> ColbyIsColby: heh, yeah, pretty much :P
[21:31] <auntieNeo> so is arch
[21:31] <ColbyIsColby> Oh.
[21:31] <ColbyIsColby> Isn't Gentoo used for Servers?
[21:31] <ColbyIsColby> Or is that Debian.
[21:31] <auntieNeo> no, Gentoo is mostly used for developers
[21:31] <vinnl> Ubuntu's used for servers as well ;-)
[21:31] <ColbyIsColby> Oh.
[21:31] <auntieNeo> Gentoo is like, bleeding-to-death-edge
[21:31] <ColbyIsColby> lol.
[21:32] <ColbyIsColby> Because I have the Xubuntu alternate install disk right here.
[21:32] <vinnl> That's text-based
[21:32] <ColbyIsColby> The alternate install? It doesn't install the desktop?
[21:32] <auntieNeo> it's a pretty gui-like text based though
[21:32] <vinnl> Yeah true
[21:32] <ColbyIsColby> Oh. Nevermind.
[21:32] <auntieNeo> ColbyIsColby: it installs the desktop with a text-based installer
[21:32] <vinnl> ColbyIsColby, yes but only for installation :)
[21:32] <ColbyIsColby> Yeah.
[21:33] <ColbyIsColby> I'm used to textbased installers
[21:33] <auntieNeo> ColbyIsColby: even though the installer is text-based, it's still pretty easy
[21:33] <ColbyIsColby> Yeah.
[21:33] <auntieNeo> but not as easy as the regular installer
[21:33] <vinnl> And you can't use it to double-check whether everything will work
[21:34] <ColbyIsColby> Yeahh.
[21:34] <ColbyIsColby> I've tried to use the regular Xubuntu installer.
[21:34] <ColbyIsColby> It crashed on "live" boot
[21:34] <auntieNeo> how much ram do you have?
[21:34] <ColbyIsColby> 128. :(
[21:34] <auntieNeo> :(
[21:34] <vinnl> Ah that explains
[21:34] <ColbyIsColby> Yeahh.
[21:34] <ColbyIsColby> See my dillema?
[21:34] <auntieNeo> 128 is plenty of ram, I think... but not these days :(
[21:35] <ColbyIsColby> And if this computer crashes. Then I am f****d.
[21:35] <auntieNeo> my PDA runs ubuntu with 128MB of ram :P
[21:35] <ColbyIsColby> Lmao baahahah
[21:35] <auntieNeo> ColbyIsColby: set up a lot of swap space
[21:35] <auntieNeo> like, 1GB
[21:35] <ColbyIsColby> 1GB?
[21:35] <ColbyIsColby> Okay.
[21:35] <auntieNeo> 1 gigabyte
[21:35] <ColbyIsColby> I know what GB means.. :D
[21:35] <vinnl> Well if you're prepared to invest some effort into it then installing Debian first or Ubuntu-minimal and Xfce on top of that will be a lot lighter
[21:35] <auntieNeo> it'll probably be slow, but won't crash when it runs out of ram
[21:35] <auntieNeo> ;P
[21:36] <ColbyIsColby> I know that when OS X runs out of RAM, it logs me out.
[21:36] <auntieNeo> heh, I'm running an old G3 right now :P
[21:36] <auntieNeo> with OS X
[21:36] <ColbyIsColby> Really?
[21:36] <auntieNeo> yeah
[21:36] <ColbyIsColby> What version of OS X?
[21:36] <auntieNeo> it's got 512MB of ram
[21:36] <auntieNeo> Tiger
[21:36] <ColbyIsColby> I'm running 10.2.8
[21:37] <ColbyIsColby> I'm not too sure which one is which. The only code names I know are Ubuntu's.
[21:37] <ColbyIsColby> :)
[21:37] <auntieNeo> it says mine is 10.4.11
[21:37] <ColbyIsColby> Ohh.
[21:37] <auntieNeo> 2 versions ahead of yours :P
[21:37] <ColbyIsColby> Yeah.
[21:37] <ColbyIsColby> Mhmm. :(
[21:37] <ColbyIsColby> Mine is too out of date to run Firefox.
[21:37] <auntieNeo> wow
[21:37] <ColbyIsColby> I'm stuck with Safari 1 and Netscape. Ugh.
[21:38] <ColbyIsColby> I hate them both.
[21:38] <ColbyIsColby> At least it's not IE.
[21:38] <auntieNeo> what kind of mac is it?
[21:38] <ColbyIsColby> iMac DV
[21:38] <auntieNeo> this is a white and blue power mac
[21:38] <ColbyIsColby> 500MHz G3 Processor.
[21:38] <ColbyIsColby> Ohh.
[21:38] <ColbyIsColby> Mine is a white and Graphite one.
[21:38] <auntieNeo> heh, mine's a 350MHz G3
[21:38] <auntieNeo> ColbyIsColby: yours is the generation after mine
[21:38] <auntieNeo> ColbyIsColby: you can probably run firefox if you upgrade your OS
[21:39] <ColbyIsColby> Mhmm.
[21:39] <auntieNeo> in fact, I'm sure you can
[21:39] <ColbyIsColby> But I can't go out and buy 10.4
[21:39] <ColbyIsColby> brb
[21:39] <auntieNeo> *cough* uh, *cough* I uh, didn't uh, purchase, my OS X ;P
[21:39] <ColbyIsColby> lmao
[21:40] <ColbyIsColby> You see, I always pay for my stuff.
[21:40] <ColbyIsColby> Or get open-source.
[21:40] <ColbyIsColby> Open Source FTW/
[21:40] <ColbyIsColby> *FTW.
[21:40] <auntieNeo> heh, I mostly get open source stuff
[21:40] <auntieNeo> but this mac was running debian to begin with
[21:40] <ColbyIsColby> Huh.
[21:40] <auntieNeo> so I figured it would be okay for me to dl an OS it was designed to run :P
[21:41] <ColbyIsColby> *Hmm.
[21:41] <ColbyIsColby> lmao
[21:41] <auntieNeo> actually, it was running fedora
[21:41] <ColbyIsColby> where did you get it (your iMac)
[21:41] <auntieNeo> ColbyIsColby: you could totally run Linux on it
[21:41] <auntieNeo> I got it from a university
[21:41] <auntieNeo> they didn't need it anymore
[21:41] <ColbyIsColby> oh.
[21:41] <auntieNeo> it still has the sticker from the university on it :P
[21:41] <ColbyIsColby> lol
[21:42] <auntieNeo> it works just fine... I can't see why they just gave it away ;)
[21:42] <ColbyIsColby> Yeahh.
[21:42] <ColbyIsColby> The person I got mine from wanted iSight.
[21:42] <ColbyIsColby> So he bought a new one and gave me his.
[21:43] <ColbyIsColby> auntieNeo, what country are you in?
[21:43] <ColbyIsColby> USA i'm guessing?
[21:43] <ColbyIsColby> j/w.
[21:43] <auntieNeo> I'm in the USA
[21:43] <auntieNeo> in Idaho, in the midwest
[21:43] <ColbyIsColby> How come every open source person that uses Linux is in the USA?
[21:44] <ColbyIsColby> Ohh.
[21:44] <ColbyIsColby> I'm in Canada.
[21:44] <knome> *cough*
[21:44] <ColbyIsColby> cough?
[21:44] <auntieNeo> heh, why? because there's lotsa people in the US ;P
[21:44] <ColbyIsColby> I just lost the game. :(
[21:44] <knome> ColbyIsColby, i'm from finland.
[21:44] <ColbyIsColby> Nice
[21:44] <knome> SiDi is from france
[21:44] <ColbyIsColby> Well, we have Ubisoft.
[21:44] <knome> vinnl is from the netherlands
[21:44] <ColbyIsColby> Beat that.
[21:44] <ColbyIsColby> :D
[21:45] <vinnl> Woohoo, the Netherlands! :)
[21:45] <knome> yay, red light district!
[21:45] <knome> i mean, i kind of like red.
[21:45] <ColbyIsColby> lmao
[21:45] <vinnl> :P
[21:45] <ColbyIsColby> :P
[21:45] <knome> i'm wearing a red shirt atm.
[21:45] <ColbyIsColby> lol
[21:45] <vinnl> Wow, what an extreme coincidence :P
[21:45] <ColbyIsColby> I keep forgetting all of these acronyms.
[21:45] <ColbyIsColby> atm = at the moment.
[21:45] <ColbyIsColby> brb = be right back.
[21:45] <vinnl> The Netherlands has a lot of open source contributors... But very few users
[21:45] <ColbyIsColby> Yeahh.
[21:46] <ColbyIsColby> Canada has the best game developers.
[21:46] <ColbyIsColby> Like me.
[21:46] <ColbyIsColby> Except I don't work for a company.
[21:46] <vinnl> :)
[21:46] <ColbyIsColby> I just work for myself.
[21:46] <ColbyIsColby> And don't get paid.
[21:46] <ColbyIsColby> I do it for a side thing to do when i'm bored.
[21:46] <knome> :P
[21:46] <vinnl> The Netherlands doesn't really have big game studios... The only big one from the Netherlands is Killzone
[21:46] <SiDi> ColbyIsColby: Ubisofts HQ is in the town where i lived most of my life, and their main studios are in the town where i live now ! Beat that ! :D
[21:46] <vinnl> ColbyIsColby, nice
[21:46] <ColbyIsColby> :(
[21:47] <ColbyIsColby> Ubisoft TORONTO made Assassin's Creed!
[21:47] <SiDi> I actually passed in front of Ubisoft's HQ many teams without ever noticing
[21:47] <ColbyIsColby> AND Assassin's Creed 2!
[21:47] <SiDi> Ubisoft Montpellier made that game with stupid rabits :D
[21:47] <ColbyIsColby> lol
[21:47] <ColbyIsColby> Raymans Raving Rabbids.
[21:47] <ColbyIsColby> Good times.
[21:47] <SiDi> knome: im working on the spec but it'll take me ages to finish it, so i'll strip it to the minimal stuff
[21:48] <knome> SiDi, whatever. :)
[21:48] <SiDi> knome: feel free to show me your blog post, i'll give you the most accuurate info i have so far :)
[21:48] <knome> SiDi, i'll send you an email
[21:48] <SiDi> And i'm from the duchy of Brittany btw </rant>
[21:48] <ColbyIsColby> Just a question. I tried to message NickServ but it didn't work. Any suggestions?
[21:49] <ColbyIsColby> I am such a n00b. :\
[21:49] <SiDi>  /msg nickserv identify password
[21:49] <SiDi>  /msg nickserv register identifier (first :p)
[21:49] <vinnl> Or just /ns identify <password> :)
[21:49] <ColbyIsColby> I mean to register.
[21:49] <ColbyIsColby> where do I message NickServ?
[21:49] <ColbyIsColby> In this room?
[21:49] <ColbyIsColby> I didn't have any other ones.
[21:50] <vinnl> Doesn't matter
[21:50] <ColbyIsColby> So if I message NickServ, you guys shouldn't see it?
[21:50] <SiDi> We won't
[21:50] <ColbyIsColby> Sorry, I'm kinda' paranoid.
[21:50] <ColbyIsColby> xD.
[21:50] <SiDi> Well, i will cause i'm Nickserv, i'm just disguising
[21:50] <SiDi> But you're not meant to know that
[21:51] <ColbyIsColby> lmao
[21:51] <ColbyIsColby> /msg nickserv register
[21:51] <ColbyIsColby> :\ hmm.
[21:51] <vinnl> ColbyIsColby, you can also do it in the channel
[21:51] <vinnl> Ehm
[21:51] <ColbyIsColby>  Channel?
[21:51] <vinnl> In the main thing, whatever, it doesn't matter where you do it :P
[21:51] <ColbyIsColby> ohhh.
[21:52] <vinnl> I usually click FreeNode on the left in Xchat in case I forget the slash ;-)
[21:55] <[texas]> when i reboot my laptop, my master sound is always muted, is there a way to fix this issue?
[21:56] <SiDi> [texas]: do you have PulseAudio installed ?
[21:57] <[texas]> i'm not sure, i doubt it though
[21:58] <[texas]> im using the alsamixer?
[21:59] <[texas]> i found something that tells me to go through alsamixer through terminal and then put in "alsactl store" but i always get a message saying "E: core-util.c: Home directory /home/matt not ours.
[22:18] <noobneedhelp> I'm trying to reinstall xubuntu...but I don't know how to manually partition it, would someone be able to point me in the right direction?
[22:18] <ColbyIsColby> Oh.
[22:19] <ColbyIsColby> What Xubuntu disc do you have? Alternate or Live CD
[22:19] <noobneedhelp> live cd
[22:19] <ColbyIsColby> How would you want to partition ut?
[22:19] <ColbyIsColby> *it?
[22:20] <noobneedhelp> um what do you mean?
[22:20] <ColbyIsColby> 1 swap, 1 Xubuntu OS, and one for storafe?
[22:20] <ColbyIsColby> *storage?
[22:20] <noobneedhelp> ...I have no idea what swap is suppose to be
[22:20] <vinnl> You're also trying to preserve a Windows installation right?
[22:20] <noobneedhelp> yeah
[22:20] <ColbyIsColby> Ohh.
[22:21] <ColbyIsColby> I thought you meant reinstall Xubuntu.
[22:21] <noobneedhelp> yeah...reinstall xubuntu but dual boot with windows if at all possible
[22:21] <ColbyIsColby> There should be a link to how to somewhere.
[22:21] <ColbyIsColby> Be right back.
[22:21] <noobneedhelp> ok
[22:22] <ColbyIsColby> http://tinyurl.com/y7gxoo
[22:23] <ColbyIsColby> It is how to dual boot Ubuntu and Winows.
[22:23] <ColbyIsColby> *Windows.
[22:23] <ColbyIsColby> but it should be the same for Xubuntu and Windows.
[22:23] <ColbyIsColby> Since Xubuntu is based off of Ubuntu.
[22:26] <ColbyIsColby> Does it help?
[22:30] <noobneedhelp> ummm idk yet...
[22:30] <ColbyIsColby> the only thing you need to do in windows is partition.
[22:31] <ColbyIsColby> or, not partition
[22:31] <ColbyIsColby> I mean defragment.
[22:31] <noobneedhelp> what
[22:32] <ColbyIsColby> In windows, you want to go to My Computer, right click your hard disk, then click the tools tab, then Defrag Now (or something like that)
[22:32] <noobneedhelp> I thought I was suppose to shrink it...
[22:32] <vinnl> ColbyIsColby, maybe you could explain what that does :)
[22:32] <ColbyIsColby> Ohh.
[22:32] <vinnl> Doing something like that is much more assuring if you know what you're doing
[22:33] <ColbyIsColby> True-.,
[22:33] <ColbyIsColby> *True.
[22:33] <noobneedhelp> ...what...
[22:33] <ColbyIsColby> Well, what disk defragment does, it takes all of your hard disk, and basically shrinks it into one section of your hard disk.
[22:33] <noobneedhelp> but how would that help me partition it...
[22:35] <vinnl> noobneedhelp, when you save files on your hard disk, over time it gets spread out across the whole partition. Defragmentation means putting related parts back together, e.g. all at the beginning of the partition. The reason you want to do is is that because of that, resizing a partition is less dangerous (because there's a bunch of free space at the end of the partition left :)
[22:35] <ColbyIsColby> Thanks vinnl
[22:35] <ColbyIsColby> Do you want to take over?
[22:35] <ColbyIsColby> I have to go.
[22:36] <vinnl> I'll try but it's late and I'm not so sharp anymore ;-)
[22:36] <vinnl> Bye :)
[22:36] <ColbyIsColby> Lol.
[22:36] <ColbyIsColby> Bye.
[22:36] <ColbyIsColby> Good luck noobneedhelp
[22:36] <vinnl> If there's anybody else in this room who knows about partitioning, please stand up :)
[22:37] <saketh> anyone know what the icon theme used in karmic alpha 3 is called?
[22:37] <knome>  o/
[22:37] <knome>  |
[22:37] <knome> / \
[22:37] <saketh> ?
[22:38] <knome> saketh, that was for vinnl. :) i suppose it is gnome-brave, but i'll verify that.
[22:38] <saketh> ok thanx
[22:38] <vinnl> Ah, great knome :)
[22:39] <vinnl> saketh, yes it's gnome-brave
[22:42] <saketh> ok thanx
[22:42] <saketh> :)
[22:43] <saketh> i can get that off of xfce-look.org rite?
[22:43] <vinnl> saketh, like it? :)
[22:43] <vinnl> I believe so
[22:43] <saketh> thanx
[22:43] <saketh> ;0
[22:43] <vinnl> saketh, here: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/GNOME-colors?content=82562
[22:43] <saketh> OOPS SRRY
[22:44] <saketh> ok thanx
[22:56] <noobneedhelp> geez my defrag is taking ages
[22:57] <noobneedhelp> its suppose to run weekly on schedule...but last time it ran was april...this is gonna take a few years to defrag :x
[22:58] <knome> noobneedhelp, windows defragemnting? :P
[22:59] <noobneedhelp> yeah
[23:00] <knome> okay.
[23:10] <saketh> i installed gnome wise on my linux mint xfce ce! it roks
[23:10] <saketh> thanx for all ur help knome and vinnl! :)
[23:10] <vinnl> yw :)
[23:10] <saketh> thanx again
[23:11] <knome> np.
[23:11] <saketh> thanx again
[23:11] <saketh> bye
[23:50] <th0r> I can't get xfmedia to run, it fails with a segmentation fault. I even tried compiling from source but the same result. Has anyone successfully installed xfmedia?
[23:52] <knome> th0r, i can confirm this on jaunty. file a bug report. thanks.
[23:52] <th0r> knome: you have the same problem? If so, I will file it as a bug report
[23:53] <knome> yes, i can't run xfmedia without segfault.
[23:53] <vinnl> th0r, if you mark it as confirmed mention that it was confirmed by a different person :)
[23:53] <th0r> knome: ok, thanks....I'll get this filed.
[23:53] <th0r> vinnl: will do, thanks
[23:56] <knome> th0r, feel free to refer to my nick.
[23:58] <th0r> knome: thanks...trying to file it now