[00:00] veck: read and follow the steps that avihay outlined earlier [00:01] ok peanut gallery [00:01] hi, i have a simple question. For each new version of Ubuntu, I have to download everyting again;; losing all my personalised things;; === zorael_ is now known as Zorael^nb [00:01] kimmel: no [00:02] do I bring up issues I have with the kde 4.3 rc packages in here or in kubuntu-devel? [00:02] hmm ty [00:02] kimmel: you can rither upgread your system [00:02] nice [00:03] thank you [00:03] kimmel: or have your system installed on one partition and your home folder on another [00:03] oooh [00:03] better [00:03] heh [00:03] kimmel: the two partition solution lets you replace your whole system, whenever you want, while keeping your personal files [00:04] and settings [00:04] uhum [00:05] ty [00:05] veck: in the new application link dialog, you can place: wine "C:\Program Files\World of Warcraft\Wow.exe" [00:05] avihay: thank you very much sry im notso educated on linux [00:06] in the command dialog box in the application tab [00:15] avihay: thank you again for your patience! [00:15] avihay: it is working great noe [00:15] umm, can any one tell me how can I boot a system with grub installed on it from an iso of a livecd? [00:15] avihay: now [00:15] good to hear [00:16] avihay: you mean mnt the media? [00:16] no, I ment booting [00:17] avihay: what is preventing it from booting [00:17] I know it's possible, I found a site with explenations, but it's on the "dead" machine I'm trying to renstall [00:17] well, let's just say that a bad upgread can be a pain in the $$$ [00:27] I have a live cd on one of my hdds, I want to boot from it. how do I? [00:27] I have grub! [00:32] * hagisbasheruk is happy , got broadcom driver working , got rid of network manager, installed wicd and wifi radar ( thats more like it ) [00:33] okay , i need to break something now :P [00:41] any good tools for wireless network management? plasma network manager is buggy and sucks total balls right now, i'm not complaining because i'm in kde 4 [00:42] wicd with wifi-radar tehboriz i just switched too [00:45] is the package name wicd?? [00:45] nvm [00:45] wicd [00:45] lol [00:46] reboot after installing ,then setup === felipe__ is now known as luisfelipe [00:47] i installed wifi-radar [00:47] i would also install wicd too [00:48] !wifi-radar [00:48] Sorry, I don't know anything about wifi-radar [00:49] mabey it installs when you apt-get wifi-radar anyway , but i always install it 1st [00:51] plasma network manager looks promising once the bus are ironed out [00:53] oh, good, after 40 minuets of searching, I found it! [00:53] http://www.instantfundas.com/2007/08/install-any-linux-distro-directly-from.html [00:55] i just use a dvdrw avihay :P [00:56] can anyone tell me what the kmail equivalent of thunderbird's "IMAP server directory" setting is? [01:01] can anyone tell me what the kmail equivalent of thunderbird's "IMAP server directory" setting is? [01:24] evenin. I got 2 usb bluetooth dongles on two laptops, work great, except, they have identical MAC addresses. Anyone know how I might change one? === ptr_ is now known as ptr_konversation [01:47] hello people! anyone more than me having trouble burning dvd iso files since switching to jaunty? === mrjaxon is now known as MrJaxon [01:48] in what way do we have to be more than you? [01:48] huh? I mean if I'm alone with this trouble. [01:48] what *is* the trouble, exactly? [01:50] Well whenever I try to burn a dvd iso it just burns like 1% - 3% and then it hangs. I've been testing k3b, brassario or whatever the name is. And also imgburn with wine. It hangs everytime. I've had to throw 9 dvd's so far :/ [01:50] MrJaxon, trouble with which app; this is a dvd.iso to dvd? [01:51] MrJaxon, this is in gnome or kde [01:51] Yup dvd.iso to dvd. It's in kde 4.2 [01:52] MrJaxon, is this a linux.iso? [01:52] Yup it's a linux dist [01:53] MrJaxon, it hangs for how long before you cancel it [01:54] 8187 [01:54] oops, ignore that, too [01:54] well it's been different since I got tired of waiting. But I'd say that I've been letting it try to burn for a good 30 minutes from time to time before cancelling. [01:54] I meant to say, yes, thanks for yesterday's advice, the updated kernel DID make my RTL8187 fly like the wind [01:55] MrJaxon, I meant, what were the specific error messages, log output and such [01:55] consider unetbootin, it rocks [01:55] and saves money on disks [01:56] * cor smells googlin.. [01:56] !unetbootin [01:56] For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent [01:57] noted [01:57] MrJaxon, you may wish to try unetbootin, provided your computer allows boot from usb , as cor mentioned [01:57] cor I'm sorry I don't know how to check log outputs :/ [01:57] bazhang, word. I only got one puter than can do it [01:58] unetbootin? ok so I just put the iso on an usb device and boot it from there? [01:58] pretty much [01:58] MrJaxon, not exactly that, but close [01:58] Well I know that in BIOS I have that option so maybe that would work. [01:58] bazhang, ok [01:59] !info usb-creator [01:59] usb-creator (source: usb-creator): Ubuntu USB desktop image creator. In component main, is optional. Version 0.1.16 (jaunty), package size 26 kB, installed size 556 kB [01:59] you could also install usb-creator [01:59] what's nice about unetbootin, is that it's available for windows, so it's great for converting folk over to Linux [02:00] ah, that sounds like a good idea :) both of you :D [02:00] I only just discovered it myself yesterday, when I ran out of CDs [02:00] mother of invention and all [02:01] I got a new laptop, so I'm using the other one to play with new distros [02:01] well my cpu hates my ipod which is my only usb device so I can't use that. it makes the whole cpu unbootable. However I have 1 dvd left and I thought that maybe I'll save it for tomorrow and visit a friend with windows so she can burn the iso for me. [02:02] coupled with the local free WiFi coming in at 1.5MBYTES/s, I'm getting through a load of em! [02:02] it still has kubuntu on the main partition, though ;o) [02:14] hello [02:15] i would like some help with the grub and installing a partition manager [02:15] can anyone help? === romullo is now known as promulo [02:19] gopi, just ask, and see [02:19] heh [02:21] This is for some other flavor of Linux called Kubuntu, not Ubuntu, right? [02:21] This channel? === romullo is now known as promulo === libervisco is now known as memenode [02:22] Yes. This channel. [02:22] kubuntu better than ubuntu? [02:23] Yes, this channel is specifically for Kubuntu. There is also #ubuntu for general Ubuntu questions === romullo is now known as promulo [02:23] vaio- if you like KDE better than Gnome, yes [02:26] guys how do i disable wlan0? [02:26] iwconfig wlan0 down doesnt work [02:27] tehboriz, which command are you using [02:28] bazhang: sudo iwconfig wlan0 down [02:28] i get unknown command or something [02:28] tehboriz, what about ifconfig [02:28] Thanks, Dragnslcr. I must have typed /join #Ubuntu instead of /join #ubuntu or something before... :S I'm so frazzled. [02:28] nice call bazhang [02:28] you rule [02:29] wait how do i check if it's really down [02:29] it doesn't say no wireless extensions [02:29] you want to completely disable it? on a more permanent basis? or just short-term [02:31] permannent [02:31] it's broken, connection is weak and alwas drops [02:31] sad story [02:32] wlan1 with my external wireless card is way better [02:42] is there a tool i can call from cmdline, which will load a given string into kde's clipboard ? [02:48] tehboriz, what about blacklisting the module then (sorry did not notice your response, was away for a bit) [02:48] !blacklist [02:48] To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist and add « blacklist » to the end of that list - To explicitly load modules in a specific order, list them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and type « sudo update-initramfs -u » [02:48] tehboriz, ^^ [02:48] thx ill do it in a few mins i gotta brb === zorael_ is now known as Zorael^nb === oobe is now known as `0OoOoO0OoOoO0` [02:54] hello all, I just upgraded today to KDE 4.3 RC1 with the jaunty backports and I wanted to confirm that I am not the only one that has issues with the NetworkManager icon in the taskbar === `0OoOoO0OoOoO0` is now known as oobe [03:29] anyone else use system monitor temperature plasma widget and notice the temps are correct but the label for degrees is F when it should be C? And that there is no way to change that in the options? === dad is now known as Guest57778 [03:55] in case anyone wondered: bluetooth MAC address change = bdaddr === sean is now known as Guest11141 [04:04] herro? [04:04] is anyone here? [04:05] Guest11141, yes [04:05] herrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrro [04:05] hey! [04:05] how do i change my name [04:05] ? [04:05] in irc? [04:05] yeahh [04:05] /nick newnick === Guest11141 is now known as papasmurfetta [04:06] yay! [04:06] thanks! [04:06] later dude! [04:06] if you wish to keep it register it [04:06] !register [04:06] Information about registering your nickname: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration - Type « /nick » to select your nickname . Registration help available in #freenode [04:06] kde 4.3 is nice [04:06] :) [04:48] Hi, I had to replace my motherboard and now when I boot I get "GRUB" in caps, but no operating system.. any ideas on how to fix? === john-charles is now known as gkffcks [05:00] Need help fixing my display resolution [05:01] I've reformatted twice, tried a bunch of commands, nothing can get it back to 1280x1024. I can ddcprobe and see it as 1280x1024 but I can't set it as that. [05:25] so I ran jfs_fsck on my raid partition that I just reassembled and it says it is clean, but when I try to mount the partition I get a bad super block or incorrect filesystem error [05:26] any ideas? [05:51] where can i find the drivers to play a dvd in kubuntu 8.10 [05:53] nico313: Drivers or players? [05:54] drivers because the player is in there it just can not read/play a dvd [05:54] it is strange [05:54] what model? [05:55] gt228 gateway [05:55] kubuntu 8.10 [05:55] no, the DVD player [05:57] nico313: Brand and model, You are using USB DVD player? [05:57] don't knnow it doesn't say on the dv. [05:58] notebook? [05:59] desktop [06:00] some brand? [06:01] it doesn't say the brand only that it is multi-format [06:01] nico313: it is strange, because ou dont need drivers to play DVD [06:03] nico313:I can not help much, you better wait for someone with more experience or post in the ubuntu forum ... "http://ubuntuforums.org/" === andi is now known as Pyjama === oobe is now known as `0OoOoO0OoOoO0` === `0OoOoO0OoOoO0` is now known as oobe === hemathor_ is now known as hemathor [07:02] hello [07:04] nico313: how are you trying to play them? [07:04] ubsafder: hi [07:08] i have a broken package when i tried reinstalling it i get http://pastebin.com/mc3402a [07:09] the broken package is kdebase-runtime [07:12] i am trying to use kubuntu jaunty [07:21] ubsafder: I'm afraid I don't understand the error message [07:21] !info kdebase-runtime [07:21] kdebase-runtime (source: kdebase-runtime): runtime components from the official KDE 4 release. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.2.2-0ubuntu1 (jaunty), package size 1861 kB, installed size 5520 kB [07:23] nico313: I don't know your exact issue, but you can try installing kubuntu-restricted-extras and also enable the medibuntu repository [07:23] !dvd [07:23] For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/musicvideophotos/C/video.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats [07:23] !medibuntu [07:23] medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org [07:24] nico313: ^ [07:34] does anyone know how to correlate mtd devices with msdos style partitions? [07:39] what's a mtd device? [07:39] tomdavidson: mtd == mounted? [07:40] thanks fo rthe reply... MTD Memory Technology Device http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/ [07:41] like mem on an embeded system and not via USB [07:51] is anybody running the latest kde 4.3 rc in here === hunger_t is now known as hunger [07:54] internet: do not send unsollicited PM, please [07:57] hi folks, if i apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and don't like it, can i just apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop later and revert to my current setup? [07:59] CptnAwesome: it will not remove KDE if it's that what you mean, kubuntu-desktop is only a meta package [07:59] ditto for ubuntu-desktop [08:00] so any packages that are installed with kubuntu-desktop will be removed with it as well, leaving only what i have on the machine now? what happens if i have installed packages included with kubuntu-desktop already? [08:01] sorry for the long winded questions =) [08:04] * CptnAwesome just does it and suffers the consequences. [08:07] CptnAwesome: no, read what I said :) [08:07] if you remove kubuntu-desktop it will only remove that package, not KDE [08:07] kubuntu-desktop is a meta-package, it only installs KDE, it doesn't remove it [08:08] where are the .vcf files stored [08:09] ok, thanks [08:10] * Mamarok doesn't know what .vcf files are [08:13] I updated to the latest rc and my contacts arent showing up. all of the resources can't be found but they werent moved. akonadi server says there is an error 11 "Unable to lock ./ibdata1" [08:13] oh, right, I remember now [08:14] Moi [08:14] I'm wondering if there is a problem with the latest rc packaes or if something just screwed up on my end [08:14] harolddong: which KDE version do you have? [08:14] oh, sorry, didn't read :( [08:14] * Mamarok is not really awake yet [08:14] kde 4.3 rc3 [08:14] KANAVA ON SUOMENKIELISILLE [08:15] McAku: English, please [08:15] and do not shout [08:15] I wiped backed all the important files in my ./kde folder and restored after updating like I do everytime but this has never happened [08:16] before [08:16] This is finnish person [08:17] hm, I never do that, it just works, but my address data is in a subfolder of home, not in .kde/share [08:17] !fi | McAku [08:17] McAku: Suomenkielinen keskustelu (K)Ubuntusta kanavilla #ubuntu-fi ja #kubuntu-fi [08:17] okay [08:19] what is ./ibdata1? [08:19] and why can't it be opened? [08:19] because it is locked, apparently [08:20] it's a MySQL error message that it can't acces the data [08:20] this is my akonadi mysql error http://pastebin.com/m2991ae9d [08:21] harolddong: I am not a database savvy person, maybe ask in #kde [08:22] seems oyu already have a running instance of Akonadi, maybe shutting down Akonadi in the system settings and start over KDE can help [08:22] you* [08:25] hii [08:46] besides gimp which other image manipulation application do you suggest. Especially vector images ? [08:52] vkhialani: inkscape [08:53] thank you [08:53] :D [08:59] hey does anyone know how to trigger a script when a file is modified [09:00] I want to autosend an email if a file is updated [09:03] ok i have a question how do you apply a .patch file? [09:10] i lost my kdmrc file [09:10] how can i get it back ? === miguel is now known as Guest65365 [09:16] any one there? [09:17] !ask | beyondcr [09:17] beyondcr: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [09:17] i have a .patch file how do i make it work [09:18] i tryed to make [09:18] beyondcr: you didn't specify what patch on what application [09:18] but nothing happen [09:18] and which KDE version [09:18] its a patch for cowpatty 4.6 [09:19] FYI, a patch has to be applied in the source normally, then you have to recompile the application [09:19] * Mamarok doesn't know what application this is [09:19] kde 4.2.2 [09:20] beyondcr: download the source file, apply the patch with the command 'patch -p0 < patch.file' in the correct folder of the source [09:21] then recompile with the appropriate means suggested in the README file of the source [09:21] ty [09:21] beyondcr: you are welcome :) [09:22] does anyone know how to use events to trigger scripts? i want to run a script when a file is modified but I dont want to run an infinite loop. [09:26] Hi there, anybody is using KDE 4.3 RC3 on Kubuntu 9.04? [09:26] I upgraded to the PPA packages and plasma always SEGV. [09:26] had to revert back to 4.2.2 [09:27] wake up... [09:28] no housekeeping need sleepy [09:29] ok...zzzZZZ [09:29] usually better responces in a few hours when more people are awake [09:32] hi all [09:33] Kuuuu: I run RC3, and it works very well here, from what version did you upgrade? [09:34] hi trapa [09:34] somebody tellme some chat to talk? [09:34] do you know how to trigger a script with an event [09:34] like an updated file triggers a notification [09:34] toshiro: discussion is in #kubuntu-offtopic [09:35] toshiro: but read the topic of the channel anyway :) [09:35] Mamarok, fresh installed Kubuntu 9.04. then I add the ppa depot, and upgrade, and plasma SEGV. [09:35] Kuuuu: well, are you sure you installed everything? [09:36] I added the ppa source in KPackageKit, refresh, and installed all the updates. [09:36] i am not sure what are installed [09:36] because there has be some renaming betwee kde 4.2 and 4.3, so you need to check that everything is installed, especially kdebase-* packages, all plsma packages for 4.2.98, etc. [09:36] plasma* [09:37] how to do full upgrade? [09:37] when plasma SEGV, I don't have my network (WiFi), and cannot use apt-get any more. [09:38] Kuuuu: network is independend of the desktop normally, and you do the upgrade in KDE anyway, so you can still verify before you restart KDE [09:39] so if your network works, it will not stop working during the update process [09:39] but the network manager widget didn't write my wifi settings back to conf file. [09:39] Kuuuu: you should upgrade with a package manager, so you are sure to see the 4.2.98 files you need [09:40] you mean do upgrade in apt-get? [09:40] Kuuuu: if you do not restart KDE before your upgrade is finished, it still runs, so you just don't quit the package manager and install manually what is missing there [09:40] how to ensure full upgrade in KPackageKit? [09:40] Kuuuu: no, in a package manager, either adept or kpackagekit or synaptic [09:41] Kuuuu: well, there is a search field, where you can search for files [09:41] yep, then [09:41] ? [09:41] Kuuuu: but if you are not experienced then you should wait for KDE 4.3 final anyway [09:41] just not a KDE user. very experienced otherwise :) [09:44] now that ive grabbed kubuntu-desktop from apt-get, will i get the option to go into kde or kubuntu when i boot up next? [09:44] Kuuuu: that has nothing to do with KDE, using a package manager is the same in all desktops... [09:44] CptnAwesome: yes, of course, although you will only have a basic installation, you miht have to install additional packages [09:45] kubuntu-desktop gives you only what is on the default CD [09:45] might* [09:45] np, thats all i needed to know, see you from Kubuntu land soon [09:46] Mamarok, UI is different... [09:47] I didn't see a button to do full upgrade in KPackageKit [09:47] Kuuuu: there is no such button, and there is no such button in Gnome neither, I use synaptic :) [09:48] hi [09:48] so apt-get dist-upgrade is the only way... [09:48] I have a soundproblem. Only one application can play sound at once. What can I do against that? [09:49] and another question, where to change the mouse speed? [09:50] i cannot find the old control center. [09:51] Kuuuu: what version did you upgrade from? [09:51] the system settings haven't changed ind KDE 4 since ages [09:52] this is my first time on KDE 4 :) [09:52] ok, see it. [09:52] wired it is not in System/ menu [09:52] Kuuuu: so what control center are you talking about, the one in KDE3? [09:53] it's in the first menu page ... [09:53] just open your eyes [09:53] and it is in the settings menu, system wouldn't make sense, and it was so in KDE3 too [09:54] hey Mamrok are you still there? [09:54] beyondcr: just ask [09:55] ha, i removed it from favorite menu, now i cannot see it anywhere in the K menu. [09:55] nice [09:55] Kuuuu: well, then add it back: settings menu, system settings, right click -> add to favorites [09:55] i went the source placed the file in to it typed patch -p0 and the file name and there is nothing happing any idea? [09:56] just got a blank cursur [09:56] and don't remove stuff when you only just start, else you can't find your way [09:56] did you type the exact line I gave you, with the < sign? [09:56] never mind, i found it in "recently used" [09:56] in the correct folder? [09:56] beyondcr: ^^ [09:57] where can I change the soundserver in kde4? [09:57] it should belong to somewhere other than "Favorite" [09:57] how do I check that all ppa packages are installed? Is there a full list? Or has to search 'ppa'? [09:58] Kuuuu: no, search for kde, then check the version number [09:58] no let me put the < [09:58] beyondcr: ... [09:58] sorry contact kept falling out [09:59] so the step on kubuntu.com: "Then refresh and do a full upgrade." is really not an easy step. [10:00] can't find file to patch at input line 4 [10:00] Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option? [10:00] The text leading up to this was: [10:00] beyondcr: pastebin! [10:00] ? [10:00] |diff -uNr cowpatty-4.6/cowpatty.c cowpatty-4.6-fixup11/cowpatty.c [10:00] |--- cowpatty-4.6/cowpatty.c 2009-07-03 08:15:50.000000000 -0700 [10:00] |+++ cowpatty-4.6-fixup11/cowpatty.c 2009-07-16 12:39:44.220822618 -0700 [10:00] beyondcr: you are the one applying the patch and have to know where to apply it to [10:00] beyondcr: please use the pastebin... [10:01] !paste | beyondcr [10:01] beyondcr: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic [10:01] sorry man im still learning [10:02] beyondcr: well, you must be in the correct folder of the source [10:02] beyondcr: where did you get that patch from [10:02] let me try one more time... [10:02] -p0 means 'in that exact folder' [10:03] http://forum.aircrack-ng.org/index.php?topic=4054.30 [10:04] beyondcr: sorry, ask there, this goes beyond the support of this channel [10:04] lol [10:04] yhea [10:04] but hey thanks [10:04] i think you gave me all i needed to know [10:04] Mamarok, 19 updates from ppa, is that all? [10:04] thanks alot [10:05] Kuuuu: what version are you currently running? [10:05] and what PPA did you add? did you add the gpg key? [10:05] i just wanted to learn the basics of patch [10:05] Mamarok, 4.2.2 in Kubuntu 9.04 [10:05] beyondcr: well, this is beyond this channel support, as I told you :) [10:06] they have a forum, ask there :) [10:06] and all i did was give you thanks [10:06] beyondcr: you are welcome :) [10:07] Kuuuu: and what PPA are you talking about? [10:07] and did you add the gpg key for this PPA? [10:07] Users of our stable 9.04 release can install it from the Kubuntu Backports PPA. [10:07] deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu jaunty main [10:08] from http://kubuntu.org [10:08] yes I did [10:08] add the pgp key [10:08] Kuuuu: then something is wrong [10:08] how many packages there should be? [10:08] you should have 100+ packages to upgrade [10:09] I have a full install with dbg packges and dev packages, summs up to 309 packages to upgrade [10:09] why so many? the ppa is just kde4.3 rc3 right? [10:09] Kuuuu: well, guess how many files there are in KDE... [10:09] well... i don't know then [10:10] who wrote the news on kubuntu.org? [10:10] Kuuuu: please paste the output of sudo apt-get upgrade in http://paste.ubuntu.com and give the URL here [10:10] Kuuuu: that website is correct === oobe is now known as `oobe` [10:12] ok, http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/232983/ === `oobe` is now known as `0OoOoO0OoOoO0` [10:13] Kuuuu: what does sudo apt-get install kdebase-runtime tell you? [10:14] 10 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 70 not upgraded. [10:15] weird hah. so my kdebase-runtime is not latest. [10:15] but apt-get won't upgrade it. [10:15] Kuuuu: I need the exact output in a pastebin, please [10:16] brb [10:16] Mamarok, http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/232996/ [10:17] if I do apt-get dist-upgrade, will have 75 upgraded, 31 newly installed, 6 to remove and 1 not upgraded. [10:19] this is at http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/232999/ [10:21] !chroot [10:21] chroot is used to make programs believe that the directory they are running in is really the root directory. It can be used to stop programs accessing files outside of that directory, or for compiling 32bit applications in a 64bit environment (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot) [10:22] &join #kubuntu-devel === quassel128 is now known as jussio1 [10:28] Kuuuu: looks much better, go with it [10:28] hoh. [10:29] actually i want to get the 9.10alpha3, with the KMS staff. [10:29] downloading it now. [10:30] Kuuuu: your choice, just don't complain afterwards... [10:30] Kuuuu: this is early alpha, it will certainly break a few times beofre release [10:30]