[01:35] <redbrain> hey guys is it possible to delete a project you create?
[01:36] <Snova_> No, you have to file an answer at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad for an admin to do so.
[01:41] <redbrain> ah cools thanks posted question
[01:42] <redbrain> implementing my own programming language its nearly half functional but no documenation at all for it waiting untill i have better code base and documentation until i have problem code hosting
[01:42] <redbrain> proper*
[02:04] <nh2> now that launchpad has been opensourced, does that also include that build farm part?
[02:07] <wgrant> nh2: It does.
[02:07] <wgrant> nh2: I've even managed to get one building things on my laptop.
[02:09] <nh2> is there also a possibility to get the normal ubuntu sources from launchpad.net into a local lauchpad to build the whole distribution with other compilation options, e.g. -Os instead of -O2?
[02:09] <wgrant> that's not really easy.
[02:12] <nh2> wgrant: what do you think is the part that makes it difficult? getting the remote packages over to local?
[02:14] <wgrant> And having to maintain the whole build infrastructure, and I'm sure lots of other things.
[02:14] <MT-> doctormo: how ya been?
[05:35] <suji> hi
[05:35] <suji> how to get all revisions of bazaar branch to my local system
[05:36] <dash> 'bzr get <url>'
[05:37] <tonyyarusso> How do I renew someone's membership in a moderated group I'm an admin of?
[05:47] <wgrant> tonyyarusso: Have they expired?
[05:52] <tonyyarusso> wgrant: They're about to, and just got an e-mail notice that they're supposed to contact me about it.
[05:53] <wgrant> tonyyarusso: On the team page, there's a link "XX active members".
[05:53] <wgrant> Hidden behind that link is a member listing.
[05:53] <wgrant> Hit the drunken exclamation mark for the relevant member.
[05:53] <tonyyarusso> aaaaaaaaaah
[05:54] <tonyyarusso> See, I got as far as everything but the drunken exclamation mark.
[05:59] <suji1> dash: i get the revisions in my local system. how to add my files in that branch
[06:00] <suji1> dash: if i give this command bzr add filename , it shows an error the current directory is not a branch (bzr: ERROR: Not a branch:)
[06:01] <suji1> hi
[06:08] <wgrant> suji1: This sounds like a question that's better for #bzr.
[06:08] <suji1> wgrant: ok
[06:49] <lamalex> Hey, I just noticed that on codereviews next to a review I give it says (community)
[06:49] <lamalex> what does this mean
[06:50] <wgrant> lamalex: The reviewer is not one of the project's official reviewers.
[06:51] <lamalex> how does it determine that
[06:51] <lamalex> becuase I am an official reviewer
[06:52] <wgrant> I was about to say I have no idea, but I can now instead check the source...
[06:52] <lamalex> haha :)
[06:53] <wgrant> lamalex: You should just need to be in the review team. Which merge proposal is it?
[06:54] <lamalex> https://code.launchpad.net/~peterbjorgensen/do-plugins/qalculate/+merge/7145
[06:56] <wgrant> Hm. you are indeed a member.
[06:57] <lamalex> i am indeed
[07:04]  * wgrant is out of ideas.
[07:04] <lamalex> strange
[07:04] <wgrant> Subteam membership is sufficient in the code, and it is sufficient on launchpad.dev.
[07:06] <lamalex> I'm /kind of/ the maintainer. My authority feels undermined!
[07:38] <sunoano> can I use a git repo with launchpad?
[07:38] <sunoano> it's bazaar only yes?
[07:39] <wgrant> sunoano: Bazaar-only, but it will also do imports of CVS, Subversion and Git branches.
[07:39] <sunoano> I want git
[07:39] <sunoano> are there any plans for git support?
[07:40] <wgrant> I don't think so, but I don't know for sure.
[07:40] <sunoano> I see
[07:40] <sunoano> what about database backend?
[07:40] <wgrant> What do you mean?
[07:41] <sunoano> does it require some mysql for example?
[07:41] <wgrant> Launchpad uses PostgreSQL.
[07:41] <sunoano> I read about zope3 so maybe it's zodb
[07:41] <sunoano> ah, ok, that's cool
[07:41]  * sunoano loves postgres
[07:41]  * wgrant does too.
[07:41] <sunoano> ;)
[07:42] <sunoano> damn it ... if it would just do git as scm backend then it would be really worth considering instead of trac for example
[07:43] <sunoano> the fact that it's written in python and makes use of zope3 (not silly monolitic zope2) is very much to my linking
[07:43] <wgrant> I don't really know why people love Git so much.
[07:43] <sunoano> *liking
[07:43] <sunoano> I do http://sunoano.name/ws/public_xhtml/scm.html#why_git
[07:43] <sunoano> ;)
[07:44] <sunoano> well, bazaar is ok too ... imho the thing is centralized vz. decentralized scm system
[07:44] <sunoano> cvs, svn, etc. just suck
[07:45] <sunoano> the belong into the last millennium imo
[07:45] <wgrant> Right.
[07:45] <wgrant> bzr/git/hg > cvs/svn is clear.
[07:46] <sunoano> I totally agree ... imho anybody with understandings of the matter does
[07:47] <sunoano> is postgresql an option or default anyways i.e. it may be as with trac, which per default does use sqlite and postgresql is an option
[07:47] <sunoano> with launchpad I mean ...
[07:48] <wgrant> PostgreSQL is the only option. See https://dev.launchpad.net/FAQ for reasons.
[07:48] <sunoano> ha, cool, fine with me ;)
[07:48]  * sunoano checks
[07:51] <sunoano> hehe, stored python procedures ... yes! ;)
[07:52] <sunoano> it's amazing how mysql sucks once you get to know postgresql
[07:53] <sunoano> I didn't check but do you know of any .deb to set this whole thing up with one shoot ... a metapackage for example?
[07:53] <wgrant> See the top of the FAQ.
[07:53] <wgrant> A package does not exist, nor is it planned.
[07:54] <sunoano> well, yes, but now that it's out in the wild ... somebody will do it
[07:54] <wgrant> I doubt it.
[07:54] <wgrant> The dependencies are pretty horrifyingly complex.
[07:55] <wgrant> But I suppose it could happen eventually.
[07:55] <sunoano> as we zope folks say ... there is the kgs (known good set)
[07:55] <sunoano> it's going to happen, I am sure
[07:56] <sunoano> anyways, I was just curious so I asked if maybe someone did it already ...
[07:57] <mwhudson> we don't do deployment using debs so we haven't done it, and it's only been open source for what, 5 days so far?
[07:57] <sunoano> right, by far not enough time to let it prosper
[07:57] <wgrant> I don't see much point in having debs.
[07:58] <wgrant> No deployment is going to use them.
[07:59] <mwhudson> wgrant: do you have an other patches planned?
[07:59] <wgrant> mwhudson: Not right now. Exploring, mainly.
[07:59] <mwhudson> cool
[08:00] <wgrant> There's a bit there.
[08:00]  * mneptok blinks
[08:00] <mwhudson> mneptok: hello!
[08:00]  * wgrant guesses what this is about.
[08:00] <mneptok> mwhudson: heya!
[08:01] <mneptok> wgrant: you mindreader you ;)
[08:01]  * mwhudson doesn't have any idea
[08:02] <mneptok> sunoano: "It's amazing how stupid 'Postgres vs. MySQL' flamebaits look after you get to see Monty pay Josh EU100 to support Postgres development."
[08:02] <mwhudson> oh
[08:02] <wgrant> As I suspected :P
[08:02] <mneptok> oh, that's EU100 for a *t-shirt*
[08:02] <mneptok> off Josh's back
[08:02] <mneptok> (classic)
[08:31] <sunoano> mneptok: I've just one question ... wtf is Monyt? :)
[08:31] <sunoano> ah, well, make that Monty
[08:32] <mneptok> sunoano: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Widenius
[08:46] <sunoano> he has an interesting blog ... one thing he's concerned about as well, nobody knows what's going to happen to mysql now that oracle owns it. Maybe the same thing as happened to virtual iron.
[09:22] <mneptok> sunoano: who cares? there's MariaDB. ;)
[09:23] <wgrant> (and PostgreSQL!)
[09:23]  * wgrant runs very quickly.
[09:26] <mneptok> Postgres is better at some things. MySQL?MariaDB is better at others.
[09:26] <mneptok> Google, Amazon, eBay, and Facebook use MySQL. i think that rules out "it sucks." ;)
[09:26] <sunoano> you sound like a girl right now :)
[09:26] <mneptok> how do you know i'm not female?
[09:29] <mneptok> well, enjoy your "oooops" moment. i'm off to bed. :P
[09:29] <sunoano> http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/MySQL_vs_PostgreSQL first thing google returns
[09:29]  * sunoano enjoys his oops moment
[09:29] <sunoano> done
[09:29] <sunoano> ;)
[14:50] <mbt> Hi, quick question: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/alltray/+imports -- seems to be holding the en_US.po file for review.  I would like it to show up, though.  Who needs to review it and why?  It's in lp:alltray so it should just carry over, I would think.
[19:18] <Luke-Jr> There seems to be something wrong with webczat's LP account. Can anyone verify?
[19:19] <Luke-Jr> "webczat-deactivatedaccount joined gammamoo-doc"
[19:19] <Luke-Jr> this -deactivatedaccount bit...
[22:59] <tgm4883> Is there a lot of stuff building today? I have a package in my PPA that is estimated to start in 8 minutes for the last 3 hours.
[23:00] <tgm4883> I'm not sure which is better at estimating times, launchpad or windows file transfer
[23:33] <wgrant> tgm4883: The estimation algorithm gets confused if it can't work out how long a pending build has to go. So if somebody uploads a new long-building package, estimates will be off.
[23:33] <wgrant> I don't think there's any way to fix that.
[23:33] <tgm4883> bummer
[23:34] <tgm4883> oh well then, I'll just wait the 8 minutes for my package to build ;)
[23:35] <wgrant> tgm4883: You can see the current builder and queue status at https://launchpad.net/builders.
[23:36] <wgrant> tgm4883: Unlike a file copy, there's no way to estimate how long a package takes to build, except by looking at previous builds.
[23:36] <tgm4883> wgrant, does this indicate that 15 things can build at one time on i386?
[23:36] <wgrant> tgm4883: Yes.
[23:36] <tgm4883> I see
[23:36] <wgrant> And wow, there's a lot building today.
[23:37] <tgm4883> is there a way to see the queue as well?
[23:37] <wgrant> tgm4883: No.
[23:37] <wgrant> Only for distros.
[23:37] <tgm4883> i see
[23:37] <wgrant> Hm.
[23:37] <wgrant> Oh dear.
[23:37] <wgrant> I think something is wrong.
[23:38] <tgm4883> ?
[23:38] <wgrant> I don't think a buildd status has updated in more than 4.5 hours.
[23:38] <tgm4883> that sounds bad
[23:38]  * wgrant looks harder.
[23:39] <wgrant> That would explain the bad estimates.
[23:40] <wgrant> cprov-afk: Can you kick buildd-manager, if you happen to be around this evening?
[23:48] <elmo> wgrant: fixed
[23:49] <wgrant> elmo: Thanks.
[23:50] <elmo> (and reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/404693)
[23:52] <wgrant> It's being awfully slow now, but I guess that's because it has to run process-upload lots of times.
[23:55] <wgrant> tgm4883: Things are moving again now.
[23:56] <tgm4883> wgrant, thanks
[23:58] <wgrant> elmo: The resume command doesn't do something silly like block until the guest is back up, does it?