[00:00] <DanaG> handy hint: edit /etc/pulse/default.pa to set tsched=1
[00:03] <lupine_85> erm. I've just noticed that Karmic doesn't seem to come with the ipv6 module compiled by default
[00:04] <lupine_85> oh, wait, compiled-in
[00:05]  * BUGabundo $echo moo; reply: foobed
[00:10] <yoasif> hey guys -- anyone know of a bug where a second logged in user can no longer access the sound hardware?
[00:10] <yoasif> gnome volume control shows the device as "null output"
[00:23] <Guest13494> I know that Karmic is still pre-release, but is it useable?  I need the updated drivers of 9.10.
[00:24] <yofel> Guest13494: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha3   see "Known Issues"
[00:25] <syn-ack> Oh wow
[00:25] <yofel> *sigh* poeple these days just can't wait...
[00:25] <syn-ack> We've moved to alpha 3... I forgot all about it
[00:25] <yofel> syn-ack: I guess you weren't here yesterday? :P
[00:26] <syn-ack> yoasif, sadly, no. I've had a lot of stuff going on
[00:26] <syn-ack> havent even updated yet
[00:37]  * cwillu pokes yofel with a richardcavell
[00:38] <cwillu> richardcavell, if you just need graphics drivers or a newer kernel, you can do that without upgrading to karmic
[00:38] <richardcavell> cwillu: mate, I tried to do that and i broke my Jaunty installation entirely
[00:38] <cwillu> richardcavell, see the mainline kernel ppa for newer kernel packages that will mostly just work (but which are unsupported, but I'm guessing you're tired of hearing that :p)
[00:38] <cwillu> richardcavell, can you be more specific?
[00:38] <cwillu> by "ways of doing that" I expressly did not mean installing karmic packages :p
[00:39] <richardcavell> cwillu: I had an installation of Jaunty - I only included stable release software, not pre-release.  I then installed everything from the xorg-edgers PPA and then my X wouldn't load at all
[00:39] <yoasif> richardcavell, hahaha bad idea
[00:40] <richardcavell> well what was I supposed to have done?  I wanted to get the latest versions of everything.
[00:40] <yofel> cwillu: you called?
[00:40] <syn-ack> richardcavell, thats what backports are for
[00:40] <cwillu> richardcavell, you obviously didn't though, because the latest version of everything are known to cause breakage, they're where we're doing testing to see what the problems are
[00:40] <cwillu> richardcavell, anyways, what was the original problem precisely?
[00:40] <richardcavell> cwillu: well, look I need a solution
[00:41] <richardcavell> cwillu: I'm running Intel GMA 950.  Performance under Jaunty is dreadful, and I get errors.  I can't run games under wine.
[00:41] <richardcavell> I can't run half-life 1
[00:41] <cwillu> richardcavell, no, you need to reason through the things you do so you don't make things worse
[00:41] <cwillu> okay
[00:41] <richardcavell> Now, Jaunty intel drivers are 2.6.3
[00:41] <richardcavell> Latest version is 2.8.0
[00:41] <cwillu> gma950 is a 945'ish driver I think?
[00:41] <richardcavell> yes
[00:41] <syn-ack> cwillu, well.... I dont exactly install my beta boxes from the installer either...
[00:41] <yoasif> karmic is handling my gma950 amazingly well
[00:41] <syn-ack> mine too
[00:42] <richardcavell> so anyway I tried to restore my Ubuntu partition from my backup and it has completely fscked itself now
[00:42] <cwillu> richardcavell, under jaunties xorg, you might have been able to simply run uxa.  lots of people didn't have troubles with it, it was disabled by default because a subset of people did (about 30% or so I'd figure)
[00:42] <richardcavell> so I'm going to have to reinstall all over again
[00:42] <richardcavell> yoasif: are you just running a default installation?
[00:42] <yoasif> richardcavell, yep
[00:42] <richardcavell> See, lots of people with GMA950 have said that the newer drivers are working really well
[00:43] <richardcavell> so if that's the case then I'm keen to get in on it
[00:43] <yofel> richardcavell: yes, but you need a newer kernel for those drivers as well
[00:43] <cwillu> richardcavell, you're talking to a guy who did a tonne of triage during the jaunty release cycle of intel issues
[00:43] <cwillu> you _might_ want to consider what I'm saying :p
[00:43] <richardcavell> yofel: I installed kernel 2.6.30 as well
[00:43] <richardcavell> kernel 2.6.30 was no problem
[00:44] <richardcavell> cwillu: what's your recommendation?
 richardcavell, under jaunties xorg, you might have been able to simply run uxa.  lots of people didn't have troubles with it, it was disabled by default because a subset of people did (about 30% or so I'd figure)
[00:44] <richardcavell> I'm on a Macbook 2nd generation.  Intel Core 2 Duo, Intel GMA 950 chipset.
[00:45] <richardcavell> cwillu: how does one enable uxa?
[00:45] <cwillu> Option "AccelMethod" "uxa"
[00:46] <cwillu> in the device section
[00:46] <richardcavell> of xorg.conf?
[00:46] <cwillu> yes
[00:46] <richardcavell> and then restart X
[00:46] <richardcavell> yofel: do you have an opinion on cwillu's idea?
[00:46] <cwillu> presuming you're on a clean install, or at least with the bleeding edge packages removed
[00:47] <cwillu> yofel's opinion is that it's worth a shot ;p
[00:47]  * cwillu huggles yofel with a stick held menacingly close :)
[00:47] <richardcavell> cwillu: I have to reinstall the partition all over again, though.  It will take me hours.
[00:48] <cwillu> richardcavell, what was your backup?
[00:48] <richardcavell> cwillu: and then if I want to test it I need to install wine and half-life etc
[00:48] <cwillu> i.e., how did you perform it, and how did you perform the restore?
[00:48] <richardcavell> cwillu: I rsynced everything to an external hard drive.  I tried to rsync it back and I get a kernel panic
[00:48] <cwillu> rsync as root?
[00:48] <richardcavell> yeah
[00:48]  * yofel askes himself if he really wants to answer...
[00:48] <cwillu> (needs to be as root originally and on restore)
[00:48] <cwillu> richardcavell, with the original kernel?
[00:48] <richardcavell> cwillu: yes
[00:48] <cwillu> I mean, did you do rsync --vax --delete or just rsync -vax?"
[00:49] <richardcavell> cwillu: I use gksudo grsync
[00:49]  * cwillu sighs, downloads grsync and looks at what the defaults are
[00:49] <richardcavell> I copied everything to an external hard disk, then installed all the xorg-edgers packages and kernel 2.6.30.
[00:49]  * cwillu notes that normally he normally charges 80 an hour to deal with this sort of mess :p
[00:49] <richardcavell> Then my X wouldn't boot
[00:50] <richardcavell> cwillu: I changed from the default options anyway
[00:50] <cwillu> richardcavell, well which options then? :p
[00:50] <richardcavell> cwillu: I thought I chose everything properly
[00:50] <richardcavell> cwillu: my idea was to create a perfect clone on the external hard disk
[00:50] <richardcavell> and then clone it back
[00:50] <cwillu> if you didn't do 'stay on one filesystem' and 'ignore errors', you probably didn't get a valid backup
[00:51] <richardcavell> I selected stay on the one filesystem
[00:51] <cwillu> re: perfect cloning, I usually just dd the partition directly
[00:51] <richardcavell> cwillu: I'm going to use clonezilla in future
[00:51] <cwillu> did the permissions look sane afterwards?
[00:51] <richardcavell> cwillu: yeah they did
[00:51] <richardcavell> I can cd into the external hard drive and look around
[00:51] <cwillu> richardcavell, I'm not a big fan of gui's for my backups, much prefer knowing exactly whats going on so that I can do thing by hand when necessary
[00:52] <richardcavell> cwillu: well I'm using a disk imager from now on
[00:52] <cwillu> do you remember what the kernel panic was?
[00:52] <richardcavell> cwillu: it doesn't stay on screen for long but it's about 4 seconds into boot and it says something about sync
[00:52] <cwillu> grsync """It currently supports only a limited set of the most important rsync"""
[00:52] <cwillu> sounds scarey
[00:52]  * cwillu clicks install
[00:53] <cwillu> (scary being the quote, not the panic)
[00:53] <richardcavell> anyway, I don't have anything important on my linux partition
[00:53] <richardcavell> I have backups of all my essential files
[00:53] <richardcavell> so if I have to reinstall the darn thing then I can do that
[00:53] <cwillu> really, an rsync of home is enough to get 90% of everything back
[00:53] <richardcavell> and while I'm at it I might as well fix my GMA950 drivers
[00:54] <cwillu> i.e., backup home, install, rsync home back
[00:54] <richardcavell> I keep elaborate backups of everything because I've been using computers for long enough to know how to do that
[00:54] <richardcavell> so that's not a problem
[00:54] <richardcavell> I'll have to reinstall some Linux distro and then reinstall all my favourite software, set up my firefox bookmarks etc
[00:54] <richardcavell> I guess my options are: Jaunty with UXA enabled, Karmic, Debian sid.
[00:55] <cwillu> richardcavell, doesn't look like it has the --ignore-errors option, which is critical for an rsync backup
[00:55] <richardcavell> why is that critical?
[00:55] <cwillu> .gvfs folders aren't root readable, so you're guaranteed one error
[00:55] <cwillu> fuse mounts in general are like that
[00:55] <cwillu> so the rsync probably aborted at that point
[00:55] <richardcavell> No, it doesn't abort
[00:55] <richardcavell> there is one thing that won't rsync across but it doesn't seem to be a big deal
[00:56] <richardcavell> it does skip a lot of files, saying "skipping non-regular file "
[00:56] <cwillu> which implies that it didn't --one-file-system (that would have been the /dev foldeR)
[00:56] <cwillu> which also could screw things up
[00:56] <richardcavell> it skips a lot of the /dev folder contents
[00:56] <cwillu> it shouldn't ever get to the /dev folder though
[00:57] <richardcavell> anyway, like I said, I'm using a disk imager from now on
[00:57] <cwillu> that'd be the 'do not leave filsystem' option
[00:57]  * cwillu shrugs
[00:57] <richardcavell> but while I reinstall I might as well select a distribution that fixes my Intel video
[00:58] <richardcavell> alright I think I'm going to download Karmic and boot to the liveCD, and see how it works on my system
[00:58] <cwillu> good luck with that
[00:59] <richardcavell> and then with any luck I'll install.  At least with karmic I get ext4, GRUB2
[00:59] <richardcavell> and a few other nice things
[00:59] <cwillu> ext4 and grub2 are in jaunty too
[00:59] <cwillu> just not enabled by default
[00:59] <richardcavell> not by default
[00:59] <cwillu> karmic isn't available by default :p
[00:59] <richardcavell> yofel: you still there?  Have you tried playing games under wine on Karmic?
[01:00] <richardcavell> cwillu: I get horrible OpenGL and even software rendering errors.
[01:00] <yofel> richardcavell: no, I use a windows machine for gaming
[01:01] <richardcavell> yofel: I just got my tax return and I'm thinking of doing the same
[01:01] <richardcavell> buy a cheap system with popular, generic parts
[01:01] <richardcavell> so driver support won't be a problem
[01:03] <richardcavell> alright boys I need to go to my University to get enough bandwidth to download Karmic, so I'll talk to you later.  Hopefully from Karmic.
[01:04] <yoasif> grub2 is default now, no?
[01:04] <cwillu> richardcavell, at the very least, subscribe to the ubuntu-devel-announce mailing list so you'll stand a chance if the usual completely-breaking-your-system screwups happen
[01:04] <yofel> err... *why* does he want to try karmic now anyway???
[01:04] <cwillu> ugh
[01:04] <cwillu> did I miss him?  (my enter/exit messages are turned off)
[01:04] <yoasif> missed him
[01:04] <yofel> cwillu: yes, you missed him by ~30s
[01:05] <cwillu> heh
[01:05] <cwillu> yofel, he thinks intel is fixed there.  Granted, it's working better for many many people (although suspend is completely broken for me because of the same intel changes), but ya
[01:06] <cwillu> he's active on ubuntuforums, enough said :p
[01:07] <yoasif> i got lucky -- never tried jaunty on this machine, so i dont know if intel didnt work for it
[01:07] <yoasif> but karmic is working fine
[01:08] <yofel> well, intel works much better on my eeePC with karmic, but it's still not in a state that I would use for gaming...
[01:08] <cwillu> yes, but I'm sure you know (a) where option "accelmethod" "uxa" goes, (b) that xorg.conf never takes effect before restarting x somehow, (c) how rsync'ing works, (d) how to find the answers to any of the above using google if you're unsure :)
[01:08] <cwillu> (e) not to blame the unhired help in #ubuntu* if things don't work :)
[01:09] <cwillu> incidently, grsync doesn't include the ignore errors option, so he definitely had a faulty backup
[01:10]  * yofel never heard of grsync before
[01:10] <cwillu> !info grsync
[01:10] <yofel> then again, I'm more of a cli guy anyway
[01:10] <cwillu> it's the classic frontend to a cli utility that doesn't add anything
[01:10] <cwillu> not that those don't have their place, but they're only really useful for a narrow band of users
[01:11] <yofel> well, not that I would use software with a 0. version for backup of important data...
[01:11] <cwillu> yep, ran a simulation, and it fails and kicks out on .gvfs :)
[01:12] <cwillu> that's also something that I love, when people answer questions they don't know the answer to with an answer that doesn't include "I don't know"
[01:13]  * cwillu wonders how much ext4 likes being imaged while mounted
[01:30] <cwillu> and I was in such a good mood today :)
[01:31] <bcurtiswx> hey all, the ubuntu minimal install that removes klogd and sysklogd and install rsyslog... is that ok?
[01:32] <yofel> bcurtiswx: yes, that's ok
[01:32] <bcurtiswx> yofel: ty
[03:48] <DanaG> Anyone know what would make 2.6.31 fail to recognize my initramfs images?
[03:52] <DanaG> It reports "junk in compressed archive"
[03:56] <oldude67> ok got the -4 kernel update why doesnt it show in my grub menu?
[04:02] <billybigrigger> sudo update-grub
[04:05] <oldude67> gracious...now it sees it..ugh...
[04:06] <oldude67> now to reboot and see if i can get to it.
[04:10] <billybigrigger> still wondering why 31-4 is being held back for me
[04:11] <billybigrigger> the new kernel must not like canadians or something, must be the last guy testing +1 to get the new kernel :)
[04:35] <bcurtiswx> im guessing you all know sound is broken after todays updates?
[04:35] <DanaG> Hmm, why does grub2 not have the vbe module?
[04:35] <DanaG> No suitable backend found for gfxterm.
[04:36] <syn-ack> Um sound isnt broken here
[04:36] <bcurtiswx> i have no sound, www.slacker.com for example i can't hear any radio
[04:36] <bcurtiswx> my sound isn't muted
[04:36] <bcurtiswx> ive killed it
[04:37] <bcurtiswx> no effect
[04:38] <syn-ack> bcurtiswx, ok.... So have you checked to see if you have modules loaded, etc?
[04:38] <syn-ack> What type of troubleshooting have you done?
[04:39] <bcurtiswx> syn-ack: how would I check... (sorry the newb in me is coming out)
[04:39] <syn-ack> And.... youre using an Alpha?
[04:39] <billybigrigger> bcurtiswx, log out, and log in
[04:39] <billybigrigger> im pumping out some pantera right now
[04:39] <DanaG> YARGH.
[04:39] <billybigrigger> :P
[04:40] <syn-ack> nevermind
[04:40] <billybigrigger> haha
[04:40] <billybigrigger> i find that i don't get sound after booting
[04:40] <billybigrigger> but logging out and back in seems to fix it?
[04:40] <syn-ack> that may be a PULSE issue
[04:41] <billybigrigger> wouldn't doubt it
[04:41] <syn-ack> bbiab
[04:41] <bcurtiswx> back
[04:41] <billybigrigger> bcurtiswx, .....?????
[04:41] <bcurtiswx> no effecct
[04:41] <bcurtiswx> no sounds
[04:42] <billybigrigger> did you have sound?
[04:42] <bcurtiswx> nope
[04:43] <bcurtiswx> how do i check if modules are loaded?
[04:43] <billybigrigger> never had sound to begin with?
[04:43] <billybigrigger> lsmod
[04:43] <bcurtiswx> i did before todays updates
[04:43] <billybigrigger> oh
[04:43] <billybigrigger> kde gnome?
[04:43] <bcurtiswx> gnome
[04:44] <billybigrigger> i can't see anything in the changes for anything related to audio
[04:44] <bcurtiswx> snd                    59076  18 snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
[04:48] <bcurtiswx> anything else i can check to see what may be the problem?
[04:55]  * DanaG is mucking around with EFI again.
[04:58] <DanaG> yargh, grub refuses to use gfxterm -- "no suitable backend"
[05:00] <DanaG> Oh, and it tries to chainload the non-EFI loader from grub-efi... silly, that can't work.
[05:08] <Andphe> hi there, I'm having a strange behaviour with rhythmbox, each time a tracks starts, the sound gets muted
[05:09] <Andphe> the icon at sound control displays as muted
[05:09] <Andphe> right clic and the mark isn't checked
[05:09] <Andphe> can anyone confirm this ?
[05:30] <DanaG> Well, that went badly.
[05:30] <DanaG> "unknown command: search"
[05:30] <DanaG> unknown command: linux
[05:31] <DanaG> unknown command: initrd
[05:31] <DanaG> =þ
[05:32] <DanaG> So yeah, it broke badly.
[05:33] <DanaG> Still no initramfs!
[05:36] <DanaG> argh, what the heck?
[05:36] <DanaG> Something keeps disabling my two-finger-scrolling.
[05:36] <DanaG> Repeatedly!
[05:38] <DanaG> Oh, damn gnome-settings-daemon!
[05:40] <DanaG> DAMNIT, it did it again!
[05:44] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/404219
[05:47] <DanaG> so yeah, that rather irks me.
[05:55]  * DanaG goes off muttering about "grubby little hands"
[06:03] <DanaG> wow, I managed to make gnome-settings-daemon FIGHT itself over the vertical scrolling!
[06:03] <DanaG> I opened gpointing-device-properties and enabled both types of scrolling there.
[06:04] <DanaG> So now, the touchplad plugin wants ONLY two-finger... but the gpointing-device plugin wants both -- and thus they play tug-of-war resetting the settings repeatedly.
[06:05] <DanaG> I guess that's a separate bug.
[06:08] <DanaG> so yeah, I am now rather irritated at that misfeature.
[06:08] <DanaG> Or rather, it's a good feature... but it's badly implemented.
[06:12] <DanaG> oh, and nm-applet icon doesn't scale.
[06:12] <DanaG> ... nor does gnome-do.
[06:15] <DanaG> <chirping crickets>
[06:15] <DanaG> =þ
[06:23] <oldude67> ok updated grub and still no -4 kernel...so what now wait till i really fubar it..lol...
[06:24] <oldude67> just figure its something ive done or havent done...went about the updates like normal but it hasnt been put into grub menu...even tho when i did update-grub it showed it.???
[06:32] <syn-ack> oldude67, did it get held back?
[06:32] <syn-ack> ie apt-get update
[06:32] <syn-ack> see if it was held back
[06:33] <oldude67> ill look but dont think so cause it said it was upgrading to it..but ill look again
[06:34] <syn-ack> On a somewhat unrelated topic, anyone know if Red Hat Directory Server runs well under Ubuntu?
[06:35] <oldude67> syn-ack, no no updates being held back...besides when i update-grub it showed it..just not on the boot menu for grub
[06:35] <DanaG> aah, I managed to pry Gnome's grubby little hands off my touchpad settings.
[06:35] <DanaG> No, wait, it BROKE them again!
[06:35] <DanaG> Damnit!
[06:35] <oldude67> kick it..lol
[06:36] <syn-ack> hrm
[06:36] <syn-ack> oldude67, See, I updated just fine on this system
[06:37] <syn-ack> pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst please
[06:37] <oldude67> ya i have a feeling this one is going to get a fresh install shortly...its starting to get me mad
[06:37] <oldude67> lol
[06:37] <oldude67> sure not a problem
[06:37] <DanaG> It's also changing the EDGE boundary size!
[06:39] <oldude67> http://pastebin.com/m475640db
[06:39] <oldude67> thats just the top of it...
[06:41] <oldude67> http://pastebin.com/m56ed593d
[06:41] <oldude67> and thats after update-grub
[06:44] <syn-ack> wow
[06:45] <DanaG> Perhaps purge all but the latest of each major version?
[06:45] <syn-ack> thats what I was thinking
[06:45] <DanaG> Like, keep one 28, one 30, and one 31.
[06:45] <oldude67> thats kind of what i was thinking
[06:46] <syn-ack> honestly, I would keep only one "old" kernel
[06:46] <syn-ack> theres no real need to have all those in there...
[06:46] <oldude67> what would be the best way to do that with out borking my system
[06:46] <syn-ack> apt-get remove the old kernels
[06:46] <oldude67> only one i need to keep right now it -2
[06:47] <syn-ack> whichever you feel the most comfortable in keeping
[06:47] <oldude67> 2.6.31-3 makes my video go nuts....
[06:47] <DanaG> oh yeah, if I boot with grub2, the kernel fails to see my initramfs.
[06:47] <DanaG> oh yeah, and that "one-or-the-other" scrolling thing -- totally undocumented -- really screwed me up today -- I kept scrolling... and the damn thing refused to scroll anywhere except in a 3mm wide strip on the right side of the touchpad.
[06:52] <syn-ack> I wont touch GRUB2 till a buttload more testing and fixing is done
[06:52] <syn-ack> Still way too unstable for my comfort
[06:55] <oldude67> wow this might take a while...ugh..lol
[06:55] <DanaG> oh yeah, and when I try to efi-boot, for some reason, the kernel won't see my initramfs.
[06:58] <oldude67> ok reboot and see if that helps i only have 4 left
[07:00] <Volkodav> anubody gets wireless n speeds on MBP 5.1 ?
[07:03] <oldude67> well that may of gotten rid of some of it, but it still has a list full when i boot...do i have to edit the menu.lst too?
[07:03] <syn-ack> yes
[07:04] <syn-ack> oldude67, try just running grub-update
[07:04] <oldude67> ugh figures lol then update-grub again..lol....
[07:04] <oldude67> i did
[07:04] <syn-ack> No
[07:04] <syn-ack> hrm
[07:04] <syn-ack> theres something going on with the GRUB you have installed
[07:04] <oldude67> figures
[07:05] <oldude67> probably have the broken version..lmao
[07:05] <syn-ack> its not like lilo, where you have to recompile it after every edit, it should do all the configuration dynamically
[07:05] <Tekno> morning
[07:05] <oldude67> hello
[07:05] <oldude67> ya im use to lilo more then grub thats for sure.
[07:06] <syn-ack> nice!
[07:06] <syn-ack> 2.27.5 Feature Freeze!
[07:07] <syn-ack> they better have the friking GDM configurator done
[07:07] <oldude67> well menu.lst still shows all the old kernels...???
[07:07] <DanaG> I just made it so I can start an xterm under the login screen.
[07:07] <DanaG> =þ
[07:07] <syn-ack> http://news.gnome.org/
[07:09] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/404219
[07:11] <oldude67> ok be back in a sec...lets see if i fubarred it good this time..lmao
[07:14] <bcurtiswx> billybigrigger: i found the problem... apparently my alsamixer, turned off PCM, and had my internal speakers muted... (dell mini 9)
[07:15] <bcurtiswx> well, at least thats how i fixed it
[07:15] <bcurtiswx> if the upgrades did that or not idk
[07:16] <Jeruvy> its a known issue
[07:17] <bcurtiswx> jeruvy: good to know, do you have a bug link, i can probably comment on a workaround if there isn't one posted already
[07:25] <Jeruvy> ah there are so many I wouldn't know where to start :)
[08:12] <syn-ack> Anyone know why ekiga is being held back?
[08:19] <jpds> syn-ack: Because it has new libraries it wants to install?
[08:20] <syn-ack> I didnt see anything else though, is all...
[08:20] <syn-ack> just wondering
[08:23] <jpds> Try: sudo apt-get install ekiga
[08:25] <syn-ack> I should have just checked the deps file. you're right it really was a stupid question
[08:26] <jpds> No. Only the unasked questions are stupid.
[08:26] <syn-ack> ok, I really should have known better. :P
[09:21] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi all, just a quick poll: do you like the new document recovery feature of evince?
[09:27] <floating> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_intel_shape&num=3 I read this and wondered if there has been some progress on this..  (intel performance)
[09:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> floating: but the bad performance is not visible by eye anymore, is it?
[09:32] <floating> umm, i have no idea. I haven't installed 9.10 , and was just wondering if i want to try it. ..It sounds like there has been some progress/change :)
[09:33] <floating> well, not like it would take long to try it out, but I thought to survey on irc first
[09:36] <Le-Chuck_ITA> floating: it works nicely in karmic
[09:36] <Le-Chuck_ITA> what card do you have exactly? I don't even have an xorg.conf anymore and I have a tablet
[09:37] <Le-Chuck_ITA> My card has pci id 8086:27a2
[09:37] <laeg> why empathy over pidgin?
[09:38] <Le-Chuck_ITA> laeg: some say because of the mono conspiracy, but now microsoft granted patents
[09:38] <Le-Chuck_ITA> so laeg I have honestly no idea
[09:39] <zniavre> hello
[09:39] <laeg> Le-Chuck_ITA: mono conspiracy, can you elaborate?
[09:39] <zniavre> empathy can do irc?
[09:40] <ruslanr> zniavre: at this moment, no
[09:40] <ruslanr> I asked about IRC support yesterday :)
[09:41] <zniavre> a nice i was struggling to find it  nice to hear it can 't  at this moment
[09:42] <ruslanr> yeah, when I launched Empathy for the first time, I was puzzled, how can I use IRC there :)
[09:42] <syn-ack> I still fail to understand why people would want to use an IM client for IRC
[09:42] <zniavre> :o)
[09:42] <floating> intel(R) 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV Graphics Controller
[09:43] <syn-ack> os[Linux 2.6.31-4-generic i686] distro[Ubuntu "karmic" 9.10] cpu[2 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual  CPU  T3200  @ 2.00GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1000MHz] mem[Physical: 1.9GB, 82.5% free] disk[Total: 146.6GB, 88.6% free] video[Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA Intel]
[09:43] <syn-ack> ;)
[09:43] <floating> oh
[09:44] <floating> have to try the alpha 3 then :>
[09:45] <Le-Chuck_ITA> laeg: no I can't ! it has already triggered too much discussion and proved false since microsoft granted all the relevant patents :)
[09:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> zniavre: empathy can do everything, by design, except that it isn't implemented :)
[09:46] <zniavre> ok
[09:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> syn-ack: because it works well also as an IRC client? I mean pidgin
[09:46] <syn-ack> Thats just it; it doesnt, imo
[09:47] <Le-Chuck_ITA> syn-ack: depends on what you do on irc, for chatting, transferring files, autojoin, authentication pidgin is very good
[09:47] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and it is comfortable because I can add irc people to my buddies
[09:47] <syn-ack> Whatever floats your boat
[09:48] <floating> I use irssi for irc, google talk and msn messenger :)
[09:48] <syn-ack> I use irssi normally skype and gaim
[09:49] <syn-ack> rather, pidgin
[09:49] <SwedeMike> I run gui clients for msn/icq, but run jabber and irc thru irssi/bitlbee
[09:53] <laeg> Le-Chuck_ITA: okay but surely someone must know why pidgin was shown the door?
[09:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA> laeg: they *said* it is still in testing and they will decide by <insert here point in time before karmic release that I don't know>. I do not see any progress on the huge lack of features of empathy. I was enthusiastic of the voice call capabilities, except that they don't work.
[09:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA> The reasons are e.g. voice call support :)
[09:56] <laeg> hmm
[09:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> laeg: but karmic is said to be a technology preview of the next LTS so they are free to add technology preview quality software to it
[09:56] <laeg> but does empathy support webcam?
[09:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and then *nobody* will be able to revert the change
[09:57] <laeg> i had heard on a ubuntu podcast that pidgin has already been dropped...
[09:57] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but in the end empathy is perhaps the only serious glitch
[09:57] <floating> they want to introduce that telepathy framework w/ that empathy or ? http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Rationale
[09:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Karmic/MessagingAndCommunicationSelection
[09:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> there is a "get feedback step"
[09:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> let us hope
[10:10] <Le-Chuck_ITA> is there someone using an intel video card and karmic here
[10:10] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ?
[10:10] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I would like to know if you have screen flashing problems with kernel 2.6.31
[10:13] <yofel> Le-Chuck_ITA: me (eeePC - 945GME), specific application? I get some flashing when loading kde, but other than that it's fine
[10:13] <Le-Chuck_ITA> yofel: specific  application=xorg :)
[10:13] <Le-Chuck_ITA> my laptop is unusable if I boot with kernel 2.6.31
[10:14] <yofel> Le-Chuck_ITA: tried turning KMS off?
[10:14] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but it's clearly not the driver, must be some dri code
[10:14] <Le-Chuck_ITA> yofel: I think it's already off
[10:14] <Le-Chuck_ITA> do you recall how can I check?
[10:14] <yofel> Le-Chuck_ITA: it's on by defautl unless you set i915.modeset=0 on the kernel boot line (grub)
[10:15] <Le-Chuck_ITA> yofel: I recall I did that in a different way for a different bug
[10:15] <Le-Chuck_ITA> yofel: but my console switching is terribly quick
[10:15] <Le-Chuck_ITA> so the change must have been undone by some upgrade
[10:16] <Le-Chuck_ITA> for grub2 I have to change the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT variable in /etc/default/grub right?
[10:16] <yofel> yes
[10:16] <Le-Chuck_ITA> then do I need to use update-grub?
[10:16] <yofel> yes, to port that to grub.conf
[10:17] <yofel> *grub.cfg
[10:17] <Le-Chuck_ITA> where is grub.cfg btw still in /boot?
[10:17] <yofel> /boot/grub/
[10:17] <Le-Chuck_ITA> thanks, will now reboot and see
[10:25]  * Le-Chuck_ITA gives yofel the title of smart guy for today
[10:25] <yofel> works?
[10:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Yes but for unrelated bugs I can't use that kernel yet :)
[10:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> is there a tag for bugs related to kms?
[10:27] <yofel> Le-Chuck_ITA: best ask in #ubuntu-x for that
[10:27] <Le-Chuck_ITA> thanks
[10:27] <yofel> not sure right now
[10:27] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hmm
[10:28] <yofel> since kms is driver and kernel stuff
[10:28] <Le-Chuck_ITA> an unrelated question to all: is alt+tab behaving oddly in compiz?
[10:28] <Le-Chuck_ITA> If a new window is created alt+tab does not switch to it
[10:28] <Le-Chuck_ITA> actually it becomes the last window in the order
[10:29] <yofel> wfm
[10:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> yofel are you sure you didn't focus the latest window? try /join #test
[10:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and then alt+tab
[10:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I forgot "please" :)
[10:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> you need another window opened of course
[10:31] <yofel> alt+tag should focus the previously used windows, am I correct?
[10:31] <yofel> *tab -.-
[10:31] <yofel> s/windows/window
[10:31] <Le-Chuck_ITA> don't know but it didn't work like that before I think
[10:32]  * yofel goes to make himself some coffee
[10:32] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but is it working like I describe in your case?
[10:32] <yofel> you mean if a new window is created in the background?
[10:33] <Le-Chuck_ITA> yes like when you do /join, actually I can't find different cases
[10:33] <yofel> Le-Chuck_ITA: I use irssi, so I only have one terminal open :P
[10:33] <Le-Chuck_ITA> yofel: ok will think about that :) go and have coffee, *please *
[10:34] <yofel> now lets see how to get a window in the background
[10:34] <yofel> ok, remembered a bug for that
[10:35] <yofel> yup, if a window is created in the background it becomes last in the alt+tab order
[10:35] <yofel> I guess 'open in background' is handled as 'append to list' for alt+tab...
[11:36] <BUGabundo> ola gente bonita
[11:50] <daz> hi guys :) is anyone free to look at bug 391461 ?
[11:51] <daz> started off wondering if it was compiz or the nvidia drivers, now it may well be a kernel bug
[11:51] <daz> I dont know enough about the problem to file it properly
[11:55] <BUGabundo> daz: kernel .30 is old
[11:55] <BUGabundo> we are already on .31-4
[11:55] <BUGabundo> and compiz works fine for me on nvidia
[11:55] <BUGabundo> do you have vsync enabled?
[11:55] <BUGabundo> turn it off
[11:56] <SwedeMike> .31-4 is .31-rc4, it's still quite early in the dev process
[11:57] <daz> the title reflects the age of the bug, it's still present on the kernel version today. the last comment in the bug report explains the problem, it specific to certain gpu/cpu combinations
[11:57] <qos> hey guys. i am on jaunty here, but installed the newest karmic kernel. now my vmware refuses to compile the necessary kernel modules. anyone has a hint?
[11:58] <daz> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2041755&postcount=29
[11:59] <BUGabundo> qos using what kernel? karmic repos or mainline?
[11:59] <BUGabundo> they are very different and that would explain why it does not work
[11:59] <BUGabundo> if you use mainline, with the headers u should be able to build
[12:00] <BUGabundo> the karmic repos require KMS
[12:00]  * BUGabundo checks qos bug
[12:00] <qos> BUGabundo, 2.6.31-4-generic from karmic repos
[12:02] <BUGabundo> qos use mainline insteas
[12:02] <BUGabundo> daz please tell me: do you have vsync enable?
[12:02] <qos> BUGabundo, does this make a difference?
[12:02] <BUGabundo> LOTS
[12:02] <BUGabundo> I go from 50 FPS to 300
[12:02] <qos> BUGabundo, i used them because of better wifi support
[12:02] <BUGabundo> oops
[12:02] <BUGabundo> wrong person
[12:03] <BUGabundo> lolol
[12:03] <BUGabundo> qos kernel mainline IS the latest from vanila
[12:03] <BUGabundo> without ubuntu sauce
[12:03] <BUGabundo> and are meant for jaunty (or ealry) users (testers)
[12:03] <BUGabundo> karmic repos is meant for karmic version
[12:03] <BUGabundo> hey iPoRn
[12:03] <qos> BUGabundo, i know. but are the ubuntu one has special patches and fixes ... thought these would be important ...
[12:04] <BUGabundo> ja usas karmic agora?
[12:04] <iPoRn> oix BUGabundo
[12:04] <BUGabundo> qos: you can have both!!
[12:04] <iPoRn> ja uso desde o 1º alpha :p
[12:04] <BUGabundo> either you stick with jaunty version or test naked mainline
[12:04] <BUGabundo> DON'T use karmic version
[12:05] <qos> BUGabundo, ok, don't want to annoy... but why?
[12:05] <BUGabundo> qos ask kernel ppl lolol
[12:05] <qos> BUGabundo, everything is fine... but vmware doesn't compile
[12:05] <BUGabundo> apw: are you around to provide qos with a reply?
[12:05] <BUGabundo> it should with mainline
[12:05] <BUGabundo> did you try to run the script to build it ?
[12:06] <qos> to build what?
[12:06] <BUGabundo> the modules for vmware
[12:06] <BUGabundo> daz please tell me: do you have vsync enable?
[12:07] <qos> BUGabundo, not with the mainline kernel. but with karmic kernel ...
[12:08] <qos> BUGabundo, unfortunately ... there are no helpfully error messages ... even the log says nothing
[12:08] <BUGabundo> qos: cause karmic uses KMS in a different way, and also cause VMWare is not yet ready for our build
[12:10] <qos> BUGabundo, http://paste2.org/p/341451 take a look pls
[12:11] <BUGabundo> qos: let me tell you a secrete: I never used vmware on ubuntu!!!
[12:11] <BUGabundo> is just use VB
[12:11] <qos> BUGabundo, ok. how does it work? ;)
[12:12] <BUGabundo> for me: great
[12:12] <BUGabundo> I have 3 VM on it at work
[12:12] <BUGabundo> a XP, a karmic and a server to test launchpad code
[12:12] <BUGabundo> all running on debian host
[12:12] <BUGabundo> with 8GiBs of RAM ahaha
[12:14] <qos> was it necessary to edit some config files? i like vmware because it just runs ... and every option can be set by gui very easily.
[12:21] <BUGabundo> never  did any coding around VB either
[12:21] <BUGabundo> I just installed 3.0 and it just worked
[12:22] <BUGabundo> I need to get a module on debian to make HostOnly network
[12:22] <BUGabundo> but that was with synaptic
[12:22] <ruslanr> I wonder, why we still have an old Google favicon in Firefox :)
[12:25] <BUGabundo> ruslanr: :))
[12:25] <BUGabundo> shuuuu
[12:25] <BUGabundo> don't say it out loud
[12:25] <ruslanr> sorry :)
[12:25] <BUGabundo> google may find out and sue canonical
[12:25] <BUGabundo> :p
[12:25] <ruslanr> maybe this could be a perfect papercut :P
[12:26] <BUGabundo> eheheh
[12:26] <BUGabundo> oh wait
[12:26] <BUGabundo> you are serious!
[12:26] <BUGabundo> you mean the search icon is old
[12:26] <BUGabundo> damn
[12:26] <ruslanr> 8-)
[12:26] <BUGabundo> I though you were talking about the multisearch
[12:27] <BUGabundo> and using google branding for co-search
[12:27] <BUGabundo> what do other FF do on other OSs?
[12:28] <ruslanr> ???
[12:29] <kholerabbi> firefox uses google search and suggestions on windows, if that is a help
[12:29] <BUGabundo> not that
[12:29] <BUGabundo> the icon
[12:29] <kholerabbi> yeah, the old one I think :-)
[12:29] <BUGabundo> so we are not the only ones with the bug?
[12:30] <BUGabundo> maybe its upstream branding
[12:30] <ruslanr> no
[12:30] <BUGabundo> ruslanr: kholerabbi can one of guys check mozilla bugzilla for bugs on it ?
[12:30] <ruslanr> I used Fedora recently, there was current favicon
[12:31] <Guest66297> Hello guys, I was wondering if any one has experienced the same issue as myself, I have an Dell Inspiron 630M (Intel 915 chipset/GMA900 graphics) laptop that will not boot the Alpha 3 of Karmick
[12:31] <Guest66297> the live cd starts I hear the ubuntu start theme but the panels at the top and bottom of the screen keep flashing every 5-10 seconds
[12:31] <BUGabundo> yeah I got that too the other day on nvidia
[12:31] <BUGabundo> I renamed my xorg.conf and then it worked Guest66297
[12:31] <Guest66297> I have not had this issue in either 8.04/8.10 or 9.04
[12:31] <kholerabbi> it seems the windows version uses the proper icon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia,_the_free_encyclopedia_-_Mozilla_Firefox.png
[12:31] <BUGabundo> no idea on how to test that from live
[12:32] <BUGabundo> kholerabbi: ruslanr one of you mind fileing a bug?
[12:32] <BUGabundo> btw is this with 3.0 or 3.5?
[12:32] <BUGabundo> FYI I still see the old one on Firefox 3.6 alpha1
[12:32] <Guest66297> works perfectly on my intel x3100 system
[12:32] <BUGabundo> ruslanr: $ ubuntu-bug firefox , if you please
[12:32] <kholerabbi> this bug has been reported ... searching
[12:33] <ruslanr> hehe
[12:33] <BUGabundo> I'll ask asac too
[12:33] <ruslanr> I need to activate my LP account :)
[12:33] <BUGabundo> doh
[12:33] <BUGabundo> do it now
[12:34] <syn-ack> Good morning, folks
[12:34] <ruslanr> BUGabundo: done
[12:35] <BUGabundo> hey syn-ack
[12:35] <syn-ack> BUGabundo, So today may be the day my daughter is born
[12:35] <syn-ack> yay?
[12:36] <BUGabundo> GREAT
[12:36] <BUGabundo> congrats to you and your partner
[12:36] <syn-ack> Thanks.
[12:37] <syn-ack> Wow, my wife is watching a billy mays advert on TV where he's selling a "fix it all pen" and I hear her ask a question "does it bring you back from the dead?"
[12:37] <ruslanr> "Timeout error" :(
[12:38] <kholerabbi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/390077 "The Google's favicon in Firefox (Search Box) needs an update"
[12:38] <BUGabundo> bbl
[12:38] <ruslanr> kholerabbi: thanks :)
[12:39] <kholerabbi> ruslanr: apparently it is fixed in firefox 3.5... comment on the bug if you are still having this issue in the latest version
[12:40] <ruslanr> OK
[12:41] <kholerabbi> syn-ack: congratulations! Do you have a name?
[12:41] <syn-ack> Zoe
[12:42] <syn-ack> hrm
[12:43] <kholerabbi> syn-ack: Great! Next only to Emma, Alice, or Sinead... :=)
[12:44] <richardcavell> Sound is pretty quiet on my Macbook on my new Karmic install. The volume slider is all the way up.  Is there something else I can change to make it louder?  (Jaunty is quiet by default but at least I can push the sliders up)
[12:44] <syn-ack> kholerabbi, I already have an emma
[12:45] <kholerabbi> :P
[12:45] <Guest66297> Bugabundo... what did you rename your xorg.conf file to?
[12:46] <syn-ack> WTF
[12:46] <syn-ack> you cant be serious
[12:46] <syn-ack> Shiretoko
[12:47] <Guest66297> huh?
[12:48] <oldude67> ya great name huh?
[12:48] <syn-ack> Dont tell me Ubuntu has the same issues with Mozilla that debian did so they "forked" Firefox
[12:48] <oldude67> yup
[12:48] <oldude67> now we have 2
[12:48] <syn-ack> Jesus, Mary and Joseph
[12:49] <oldude67> they said its because some people dont want to switch.
[12:49]  * lupine_85 wonders how to remove all the Ubuntu styling from Firefox
[12:50] <hifi> you can just disable the extension?
[12:50] <lupine_85> let me tell you, that "search" page they redirect you to is insane
[12:50] <syn-ack> lupine_85, Change your homepage then
[12:51] <lupine_85> nono, the top-right search bar that's always there
[12:52] <hifi> disable the extension?
[12:53] <lupine_85> I don't see one to disable, particularly
[12:53] <richardcavell> Karmic's pretty quiet by default. I only have one volume slider. Is there some other sound configuration that I'm missing?
[12:53] <lupine_85> richardcavell, alsamixer?
[12:54] <lupine_85> hifi, I can delete the google option from the 'manage search engines' box - along with the rest - now I guess I need to hunt through and find the default one
[12:55] <hifi> lupine_85: Tools -> Add-ons -> Ubuntu Firefox Modifications
[12:55] <lupine_85> aha, there we go
[12:55] <richardcavell> lupine_85: well done, that's it
[12:56] <lupine_85> "Ubuntu Firefox Modifications" doesn't exist, and didn't to begin with
[12:56] <lupine_85> (on here, anyway :) )
[12:56] <hifi> well, I dug it up from jaunty
[12:56] <lupine_85> the default just sends you to, e.g., http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&client=pub-2070091971271392&channel=1533626051&cof=FORID%3A13%3BAH%3Aleft%3BCX%3AUbuntu%2520Start%2520Page%2520%2528b%2529%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fcoop%2Fintl%2Fen%2Fimages%2Fcustom_search_sm.gif%3BLH%3A65%3BLP%3A1%3BLC%3A%230000ff%3BVLC%3A%23663399%3BGFNT%3A%230000ff%3BGIMP%3A%230000ff%3BDIV%3A%23336699%3B&adkw=AELymgUQEatsZYzZgE5qrn8ZXO706GcZvy_fG6
[12:56] <lupine_85> tEJhJjcuGW13HDtUHVPN0mvbnq31-LzpGDRmuTVGahafU4wCVjWVDVGkBEr53nB0BD4z_DaF70zyGv66E&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&q=mouse&btnG=Search&cx=partner-pub-2070091971271392%3Ahsw1kx-3zxg
[12:57] <lupine_85> oof
[12:57] <lupine_85> sorry
[12:57] <hifi> omg
[12:57] <lupine_85> (if you actually follow the link, it's even worse)
[12:57] <lupine_85> I wouldn't mind using their revenue-generating links, if they actually kept all of google there
[12:57] <kholerabbi> lupine_85: just go to google.com -> click the search icon which will have a bluish tint -> add "Google" search
[12:58] <lupine_85> I've got one that works now, no worries :)
[12:58] <kholerabbi> kk
[12:58] <richardcavell> lupine_85: alsamixer has increased the volume but it's still soft. I had the same problem in Jaunty until I enabled surround sound. Is there a similar thing in alsamixer?
[13:03] <lupine_85> richardcavell, do you still have a single volume bar in alsamixer ?
[13:03] <lupine_85> if so, chances are that's the pulseaudio volume
[13:03] <richardcavell> lupine_85: no I have Master PCM IEC958 IEC958D Speaker Speaker
[13:04] <richardcavell> I can't modify IEC958 or IEC958D.  I've pushed the other four all the way up
[13:04] <richardcavell> It sounds just like it did in Jaunty (quiet and tinny) until I enabled surround sound
[13:06] <lupine_85> ho de hum. If it's not in alsamixer, I don't really know how to get it to show up
[13:06] <lupine_85> enabling the IEC958 stuff might (or might not) help - use 'm' to turn the booleans on and off IIRC
[13:06] <oliverhorn> hello everyone
[13:08] <richardcavell> lupine_85: you're a champion!
[13:08] <lupine_85> did the trick?
[13:09] <richardcavell> it wasn't the IEC958 - I can turn it on but there's no slider that appears.  But there are two speaker volumes.  The right one is obviously surround sound. It was disabled before and now it's on.
[13:09] <richardcavell> And now it sounds rich and loud
[13:09] <lupine_85> good stuff
[13:09] <oldude67> !cookie | lupine_85
[13:09] <oldude67> lol
[13:09] <richardcavell> alright, lupine, that's one issue fixed, about another 100 to go
[13:09]  * lupine_85 noms good
[13:09] <lupine_85> heh
[13:10] <lupine_85> I'm finding karmic to be remarkably smooth, actually
[13:10] <oliverhorn> can somebody help me with a problem with karmic? i've got a testing machine with a nvidia 6600gt, after the splash, where it should bring up the login screen, i just have colourful flickering
[13:10] <lupine_85> especially considering I installed it as a chroot
[13:10] <oliverhorn> and on the other consoles the screen is not scrolling down automatically when the text reaches the bottom line
[13:11] <oldude67> wait theres text???
[13:12] <lupine_85> oliverhorn, laptop?
[13:12] <oliverhorn> no desktop
[13:12] <oldude67> guess thats why i have an usplash.
[13:12] <lupine_85> actually, I guess not with a 660
[13:12] <lupine_85> 6600*
[13:13] <oliverhorn> i installed nvidia-glx-180
[13:13] <oliverhorn> didtnt help
[13:14] <lupine_85> so it doesn't work with the 'nv' *or 'nvidia' drivers?
[13:15] <lupine_85> also, deary me... looks like OO.o 3 is trying to emulate Office's ribbon?
[13:19] <mac_v> hi guys... I'v been using Karmic for sometime, now I'm thinking of installing it along with my Jaunty install, are there any problems? because of grub2 ? anything I need to lookout for?
[13:20] <lupine_85> mac_v, grub2 "just works" in my experience
[13:20] <lupine_85> but you get to try it out for free before doing anything irreversible (by default, it's set up to boot to grub, which has a menu to try out grub2)
[13:21] <lupine_85> if grub2 works, you can then install it over grub
[13:21] <mac_v> lupine_85: yeah it works , just concerned since for my Jaunty install, will it be bootable ?
[13:21] <lupine_85> sure
[13:21] <lupine_85> grub2 can boot jaunty as easily as karmic
[13:21] <mac_v> oh... ok... was worried about my Jaunty only... thanx
[13:23] <oliverhorn> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg isn't working
[13:23] <oliverhorn> ends with no output and noe message
[13:33] <oliverhorn> the problem also occurs with a karmic 3 live cd
[13:33] <oliverhorn> (and karmic a2 before)
[13:35] <richardcavell> Why can't I download ad blocker pro in Firefox on Karmic?
[13:42] <Douglas77> Hi! Running alpha3, 2.6.31-4-generic-pae, ip_forwarding doesn't work :( (coming in on eth1, going out to wlan0 according to tcpdump, but the AP never receives them). Known problem?
[13:57] <penguin42> anyone else having network manager dead on resume?
[14:01] <drs305> penguin42: Not on mine. network manager 0.7.1
[14:01] <penguin42> yeh same here - but I've had it on 2 out of the last 3 resumes
[14:12] <BUGabundo> not bad
[14:12] <BUGabundo> 3 bugs found in a single boot
[14:12] <BUGabundo> so kernel .31-4 freezes my system
[14:12] <BUGabundo> sec after login
[14:13] <BUGabundo> no alt+sysreq+k or REISUB help
[14:13] <penguin42> REISUB?
[14:13] <BUGabundo> then tried to fsck from recovery menu, to find that it leaves the FS in read only, failing to boot
[14:13] <BUGabundo> penguin42: yes, alt+sysreq+REISUB
[14:13] <BUGabundo> is a soft reboot, where the disks are cleanly unmounted and flushed
[14:14]  * penguin42 forgets what the RE and I are
[14:14] <penguin42> I is kill all?
[14:14] <BUGabundo> penguin42: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key
[14:14] <BUGabundo> "Raising Elephants Is So Utterly Boring",  "Reboot Even If System Utterly Broken"
[14:14] <penguin42> ah yes keyboard mode thingy
[14:15] <richardcavell> I'm running Karmic on a Macbook and it's terrific.  Much better video support
[14:15] <penguin42> BUGabundo: To be honest I just tend to do the SUB if I'm in console
[14:15] <BUGabundo> now getting on track
[14:15] <DrHalan1> hwo can i make notify-osd showing more than one notification bubble?
[14:15] <BUGabundo> then after read only, I restarted and tried dkpg from the recovery menu, for the kick
[14:16] <BUGabundo> just to find out  it loops it self if it has no internet
[14:16]  * penguin42 had two reports from the resume today - network manager failed to restart and my monitors had gone into mirrored mode even though xrandr didn't say they were
[14:16] <BUGabundo> DrHalan1: you can't! its like that by code
[14:17] <BUGabundo> so I'm off to apport
[14:17] <BUGabundo> anyone else having freezes with -4 and nvidia?
[14:18] <DrHalan1> is there no config file?... hm that sucks
[14:18] <BUGabundo> DrHalan1: how long have you been using Ubuntu?
[14:18] <BUGabundo> its like that since OSD exists!
[14:18] <DrHalan1> 2 years or so...
[14:18] <DrHalan1> i know
[14:19] <DrHalan1> well ill look at the code of it :)
[14:19] <BUGabundo> what's the package behind the recovery menu ??
[14:19] <BUGabundo> DrHalan1: or install the old notification system
[14:19] <DrHalan1> nah i like the new one
[14:19] <DrHalan1> just don't understand why i only am able to show one notifcation
[14:20] <BUGabundo> UX
[14:27] <BUGabundo> in case any one wants to take a look bug 404542
[14:28] <penguin42> BUGabundo: You actually have to log in to the GUI for it to hang?
[14:28] <BUGabundo> penguin42: yes
[14:28] <BUGabundo> well I didn't wait on GDM
[14:29] <BUGabundo> but I expect so
[14:29] <BUGabundo> I'm checking logs and bootchart to see what's under the wood
[14:29] <penguin42> nod - I guess it could be a zillion things that login does
[14:29] <BUGabundo> true
[14:30] <penguin42> so much more gets configured/enabled after login these days
[14:31] <BUGabundo> nothing there
[14:31] <BUGabundo> checking bootchart
[14:32] <BUGabundo> hum strange
[14:32] <BUGabundo> no boot chart generated for the failed boots :(
[14:33] <SKB1> BUGabundo:  how does it take you to boot?
[14:33] <BUGabundo> SKB1: ?
[14:33] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I wonder if after a failed boot you were to login to a text console and see what had been last changed in your home directory - .xsession-error or the like?
[14:33] <SKB1> boot time in other words :P
[14:33] <BUGabundo> 19 secs to gdm
[14:33] <SKB1> :o
[14:33] <BUGabundo> 20 secs to be useable after login
[14:33] <SKB1> 26 here
[14:35] <BUGabundo> http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Linux/bootchart/karmic/blubug-karmic-20090719-1.png.php
[14:36] <BUGabundo> SKB1: ^^^^^^
[14:37] <BUGabundo> bbl
[14:37] <penguin42> which reminds me, I want to understand under the coverrs of readahead
[14:37] <BUGabundo> remove it and see the diffs :)
[14:40] <ruslanr> ah, finally, Pidgin icon in GNOME Do is not blurred :)
[14:40] <penguin42> perhaps it was flying fast?
[14:41] <ruslanr> maybe :)
[14:42] <SKB1> ubuntu-minimal wants to remove klogd and sysklogd and install rsyslog.. is it safe?
[14:43] <penguin42> I doubt it would cause anything to break badly
[14:52] <mac_v> does anyone know a command like uptime but for login?[not> finger,who,last] but calculate the total time since login
[14:54] <ruslanr> mac_v: hi
[14:54] <mac_v> ruslanr: hi...do you know? ^
[14:54] <ruslanr> no :(
[14:55] <penguin42> hmm it should be friggable from last
[14:55] <mac_v> penguin42: i can figure it out... but, i want to have an output in conky
[14:56] <penguin42> I suspect it's either a case of greping output of last and doing some date calcs; but I guess a bit of perl would be a little easier
[14:57] <penguin42> date calcs aren't easy in general
[14:57] <mac_v> aw... nothing simple :( ... especially since i keep myself logged in for days !
[16:18] <haanuj> hey what is "segmentation fautl (core dumped)
[16:18] <haanuj> plzzz tell me
[16:18] <penguin42> haanuj: It meant there was a bug in the program
[16:19] <penguin42> haanuj: Normally the program tried to access data via a bad pointer
[16:19] <haanuj> so what is the solution
[16:19] <haanuj> penguin42 : can u tell me
[16:20] <penguin42> haanuj: Well it's a case of debugging the program and finding the mistake that the programmer made
[16:20] <haanuj> hmm
[16:20] <penguin42> there are other possibilities (like bad hardware) but a normal bug is the most likely - especially if it happens in the same way repeatedly
[16:21] <haanuj> when i do "gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" it gives that error
[16:21] <penguin42> that works here
[16:21] <haanuj> yup
[16:23] <drs305> haanuj: if you run "gksudo gimp" or some other graphical app, do you get the segmentation fault as well?
[16:24]  * drs305 Or gksudo gedit /anythingelse
[16:24] <haanuj> i'll try
[16:26] <drs305> haanuj: I won't be able to give you a solution but you will know which part of the command is giving you the segfault.
[16:27] <haanuj> drs305 : "gksudo gimp" works
[16:27] <haanuj> gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:30] <richardcavell> I ran a port scan on Karmic while Firestarter was running and here's what I got: http://paste.ubuntu.com/233229/ - 16 open ports.  Why are they open?
[16:30] <haanuj> alpha software means ?????
[16:31] <TheInfinity> richardcavell: do you scan localhost?
[16:31] <bazhang> haanuj, early development; will break/be unstable
[16:31] <richardcavell> TheInfinity: I scanned my own IP address
[16:32] <TheInfinity> richardcavell: you know that open ports to localhost != open ports to outside?
[16:32] <penguin42> 1 is very unusual isn't it?
[16:32] <haanuj> it means previous version is GOOD
[16:32] <TheInfinity> -> use another pc to scan
[16:32] <richardcavell> TheInfinity: well, I know that I have a router which closes most ports
[16:32] <drs305> haanuj: Alpha is early development stage. The software then advances to Beta, then Release Candidate, then normal release.
[16:32] <penguin42> richardcavell: You can look them up in /etc/services
[16:33] <TheInfinity> richardcavell: no, you have to scan from your router to look for ports
[16:33] <haanuj> drs305 : ok!
[16:33] <TheInfinity> it does not make any sence to scan localhost
[16:33] <penguin42> richardcavell: Or also netstat -np
[16:33] <penguin42> TheInfinity: Well, he could ask why he has fingerd running
[16:33] <richardcavell> TheInfinity: By scan from the router, I take it you mean plugging my computer in on the DMZ side of the router
[16:35] <TheInfinity> richardcavell: no you use another pc to scan
[16:35] <richardcavell> TheInfinity: does that PC have to be physically plugged in on the other side of the router?  Or is there a way of doing it from the LAN side of the router?
[16:35] <TheInfinity> no inside LAN
[16:36] <TheInfinity> but netstat tulpen would also be interesting
[16:36] <TheInfinity> and what you did that you run so much services :p
[16:36] <richardcavell> TheInfinity: that's what I want to know too!
[16:37] <TheInfinity> ask netstat :)
[16:37] <BluesKaj> howdy
[16:37] <richardcavell> TheInfinity: well I suppose as long as they're not getting through my router it doesn't matter
[16:38] <TheInfinity> richardcavell: whats so difficult to ask netstat? :o
[16:39] <richardcavell> TheInfinity: it just gives me pages of gibberish
[16:40] <TheInfinity> it gives you infos about the apps which run.
[16:40] <TheInfinity> and what app listenes at which port
[16:41] <TheInfinity> just read it :p
[16:41] <richardcavell> I can't make sense of it
[16:43] <TheInfinity> perhaps you should use ubuntu stable if you cant read basic network tools ;)
[16:43] <richardcavell> TheInfinity: I trashed my Jaunty installation yesterday accidentally and I decided to try Karmic because it has much improved support for Intel GMA 950
[16:43] <richardcavell> and it does, it's working beautifully
[16:45] <TheInfinity> your decision.
[16:57] <richardcavell> in Karmic, I have selected to log in automatically. Where do I find the setting to change it back to give me a login window?
[16:58] <penguin42> richardcavell: I remember last week people were saying the new setting stuff for the new login manager wasn't here yet
[16:58] <penguin42> so I'm not sure
[16:58] <richardcavell> penguin42: ah geez
[16:59] <richardcavell> penguin42: I want to run usermod but I can't run it when I'm logged in, so I've set up a dummy account with sudo privileges.  Now I just need to log out of my username and into the dummy account
[17:00] <penguin42> oh, so stop gdm, and log in on the command line
[17:01] <richardcavell> how?
[17:01] <richardcavell> If I select "Log out Richard", it logs out and then immediately logs back in again
[17:01] <penguin42> probably something like /etc/init.d/gdm stop       then logout of the session and if you are really lucky you will get a console login prompt
[17:02] <penguin42> and do that /etc/init.d/gdm start as root from the command line to restart it
[17:02] <BluesKaj> richardcavell, another way : system settings/advanced/Login Manager/Convenience tab ,deselect the Enable Autologin option
[17:07] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Where are you getting to system settings from?
[17:08] <BluesKaj> penguin42, if it's the gnome equivalent  the applications menu , in kde it's the k-menu
[17:09] <penguin42> yeh I think that's gone missing
[17:09] <penguin42> (although I'm running last weeks version at the moment - waiting for an upgrade)
[17:10] <BluesKaj> penguin42, are you on gnome ?
[17:12] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Yes
[17:13] <hifi> 00~maitovalas: <bertilol> 85.114.155.81:27015
[17:13] <hifi> oh, sorry
[17:39] <eagles0513875> im havinv issues with karmic forwarding x to xming over ssh using putty
[19:10] <BUGabundo> oh good. no more screen lock :((
[19:30] <kedge> hi, is here anybody using Kopete on KDE 4.3 rc3?
[19:32] <BUGabundo> nope
[19:50] <yofel> BUGabundo: screen lock still works here, but click on tap with touchpad not o.O
[19:56] <piroko> Howdie
[19:57] <BUGabundo> yofel: strange. screen on tap works on GDM, and not after login
[19:57] <BUGabundo> hey piroko
[19:57] <piroko> Hello
[20:00] <piroko> So let's say I want to upgrade my system to 9.10. What would be the easiest/most direct way of doing this?
[20:02] <yofel> piroko: make backups of your data and use 'update-manager -d'
[20:03] <kottlett> piroko: or update-notifier-kde -d in case of kubuntu (?)
[20:03] <yofel> piroko: and make sure to have read the alpha3 release notes before upgrading
[20:04] <piroko> Sweet
[20:04] <piroko> Thank you :)
[20:07] <BUGabundo> humm
[20:07] <BUGabundo> let me get those links for you :)
[20:07] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview
[20:07] <piroko> For the release notes and such? I'm already reading
[20:07] <DanaG> screen on tap?
[20:08] <BUGabundo> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha3
[20:08] <DanaG> you mean touchpad tapping?
[20:08] <BUGabundo> DanaG: yes
[20:08] <yofel> DanaG: yes
[20:08] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/404219
[20:08] <yofel> DanaG: thx
[20:09] <DanaG> It sucks... it's also now screwing up and overriding my right-edge threshold settings!
[20:09] <BUGabundo> it was fixed
[20:09] <DanaG> And I can't figure out what the hell is doing that.
[20:09] <BUGabundo> so its now a regressions
[20:09] <DanaG> It keeps changing rightedge value.
[20:10] <DanaG> My FDI file sets it to 5000, and it sees it as such at GDM... but once I get to my desktop, it makes the right-edge scroll area extremely narrow -- like 3 mm wide.
[20:10] <BUGabundo> If you install Karmic Alpha 3 alongside Windows, the grub boot menu may  not offer to start Windows. (402795)
[20:10] <BUGabundo> OLOLOL
[20:11] <piroko> haha
[20:11] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, that's hardly a bug, more like a feature :P
[20:11] <BUGabundo> yep
[20:11] <BUGabundo> its a favor we are doing them
[20:12] <billybigrigger> so am i the only person in here that has 2.6.31-rc4 still being held back?
[20:13] <billybigrigger> after 2 days of it being released, still being held back
[20:13] <BUGabundo> guess so
[20:13] <BUGabundo> but mine is freazing after login :(
[20:13] <BUGabundo> should be on the backlog
[20:13] <DanaG> 0: hci0: Bluetooth
[20:13] <DanaG> 1: phy0: Wireless LAN
[20:13] <DanaG> 2: hp-wifi: Wireless LAN
[20:13] <DanaG> 3: hp-bluetooth: Bluetooth
[20:13] <BUGabundo> If you install Karmic Alpha 3 alongside Windows, the grub boot menu may  not offer to start Windows. (402795)
[20:13] <DanaG> interesting... rfkill.
[20:13] <BUGabundo> bug 404542
[20:15] <DanaG> hmm, kubuntu netbook edition
[20:15] <BUGabundo> yep
[20:15] <BUGabundo> new stuff
[20:16] <DanaG> Any screenshots of it?
[20:16] <DanaG> I'm curious how they can make the (in my opinion) "bulky" kde4 be usable on small screens.
[20:17] <BUGabundo> DanaG: try it on VM ?
[20:17] <BUGabundo> there's a mail on how to force VB to set a 1024x576 size
[20:21] <ripps> I can't seem to install xvattr, does anybody know how to get my ati card to attach xv to my tv?
[20:24] <durt> hey folks, is the 'options' file in /etc/modprobe.d/ completely gone now? If so, how to give modules options?
[20:25] <cwillu> durt, needs to be options.conf I believe
[20:26] <durt> ok, thanks, will give it a try.
[20:27] <cwillu> durt, ideally, I think you'd put them in a name-that-means-something.conf
[20:27] <virtuald> yay, 6to4 tunnels works in rc4
[20:28] <durt> cwillu, understood
[20:32] <DanaG> I have a "custom.conf" file in modprobe.d for all my stuff.
[20:33] <ripps> xv on s-video, how do I do it without xvattr?
[20:33] <durt> I just created a saa7134.conf for the options values of card= and tuner=, should be good eh?
[20:34] <DanaG> full line is options saa7134 card=xxx tuner=xxx, right?
[20:34] <durt> yup
[20:34] <DanaG> Can't xrandr set which output gets XV?
[20:34] <DanaG> I seem to remember that somewhere.
[20:35] <ripps> DanaG: I used to be able to set that with xvattr, but I can't since it's not compatible with the version of gtk in Karmic
[20:47] <cwillu> ripps, that won't be related to gtk
[20:48] <ripps> cwillu: actually, I just fixed it by installing the xvattr from debian unstable
[20:48] <cwillu> weird, it depends on it though
[20:48] <ripps> Apparently Karmic is using an older version
[20:49] <cwillu> ripps, would you mind filing a bug against xvattr? the gtk frontend should probably be split out, or at the very least, gtk being uninstallable shouldn't block its installation
[20:53] <DanaG> nifty:
[20:53] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/305879
[20:54] <virtuald> where do i change gnomes language?
[20:54] <DanaG> Should be at the login screen.
[20:54] <virtuald> oh
[20:54] <DanaG> Once you choose your username.
[20:54] <fagan> system>admin>language support
[20:54] <virtuald> thanks
[20:55] <fagan> You can set it there
[20:55] <kit_> hi, i want to copy my installation to another filesystem (ext4 without a journal), i've got a 64mb flash disk, can i install a minimal system on that to boot into and mount the two partitions so i can cp -a the contents from one to the other ?
[20:55] <virtuald> i get some errors on startup that some panel apps couldn't load
[20:55] <fagan> Oh and the new GDM doesnt pick up the other languages
[20:56] <virtuald> but it's only if i didn't close firefox before logging out
[20:56] <fagan> What language are you trying to install?
[20:57] <virtuald> i want to change it temporarily to english to get the errors in english
[20:57] <virtuald> so i can search for them and report them if noone else has
[20:58] <fagan> Cant you do that on launchpad ?
[20:58] <virtuald> where?
[20:59] <fagan> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[20:59] <fagan> Then pick your language
[21:00] <yofel> virtuald: you could also type 'export LANG=C' in a terminal and start the application from there, it will be in english then.
[21:00] <virtuald> yofel: it's only on login
[21:01] <yofel> ok, that won't work then :/
[21:01] <virtuald> The panel encountered a problem while loading "%s".
[21:01] <virtuald> Do you want to delete the applet from your configuration?
[21:05] <virtuald> i've had this since several releases and haven't reported it
[21:08] <virtuald> also i don't get why it's complaining about "OAFIID:GNOME_FastUserSwitchApplet" as that one is uninstallable atm. and not just the others like GNOME_MixerApplet and SensorsApplet
[21:11] <virtuald> also how do i turn off the google when i open new tabs in firefox?
[21:12] <SeveredCross> virtuald: Disable the multisearch extension.
[21:12] <virtuald> thank you
[21:13] <virtuald> do you know what package that is in?
[21:14] <yofel> virtuald: it's included in firefox-3.0
[21:14] <virtuald> ouch
[21:14] <yofel> virtuald: read http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/index.php?url=archives/162-What-is-this-Multisearch-thing-in-my-Firefox-about.html
[21:17] <fagan> google gears + google wave == awesomeness
[21:17] <DanaG> google gears + x86-64 == -- oh whait, it doesn't work.
[21:17] <fagan> There is an unoffical build
[21:17] <fagan> im using it
[21:17] <DanaG> Didn't work for me on 3.5.
[21:17] <cwillu> there is also an extra h
[21:17] <fagan> 3.5 doesnt work
[21:18] <fagan> But im on 3.0.12 and it works
[21:19] <virtuald> i don't live google to be everywhere
[21:19] <fagan> It complains about compatibility but it work
[21:19] <virtuald> like
[21:20] <fagan> I dont mind they arent as heartless as microsoft
[21:20] <DanaG> I don't like having my search be BROKEN.
[21:20] <fagan> I got an invite to google wave today :)
[21:20] <DanaG> Because all the functions missing.... means it's broken, in my opinion.
[21:20] <fagan> What functions are missing ?
[21:23] <virtuald> that guy in the wave.google.com video says rasmussen funny. like raz-muse-en.
[21:23] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/404219
[21:23] <fagan> Oh I have that problem too
[21:28] <DanaG> heh, when making locally modified versions of packages, I like to tweak the versions:
[21:28] <DanaG> gnome-settings-daemon_2.27.4-0ubuntu1++
[21:28] <DanaG> the "++" makes it higher than the official same-version... but doesn't make it override actual higher versions.
[21:28] <DanaG> =þ
[21:30] <yofel> DanaG: use ubuntu2~own1
[21:31] <yofel> ubuntu2 will be greater then ubuntu2~own1 later
[21:32] <yofel> note that the point here is the '~' you can use anything after that, like ~danag1 etc...
[21:32] <DanaG> Feels weirder to me to do that.  =þ
[21:57] <penguin42> has anyone noticed a recent change in pulse where you can't do an alsa force-reload - it doesn't seem possible to kill pulse off
[22:17] <yofel> cool, my /home just remounted itself read-only *-.- http://pastebin.com/f1fb750b
[22:17] <yofel> off to reboot...
[22:19] <durt> how do network interfaces get setup in karmic? my cli install does not setup at boot, are we to rely on nm or wicd now?
[22:20] <penguin42> durt: If the NetworkManager runs then a lot of it comes from there - I haven't quite got my head around what happens if it doesn't
[22:20] <penguin42> I also haven't got my head around how you get NetworkManager to do stuff without the GUI starting
[22:22] <virtuald> nm does nothing for me as it can't do bridges nor 6to4 tunnels yet
[22:22] <durt> penguin42, nm has a prob with eth0 and ppp0 running at the same time so I might have to go with wicd if that works.
[22:23]  * penguin42 doesn't know wicd
[22:23] <durt> virtuald, how do you set things up?
[22:23] <durt> I don't know wicd either
[22:23] <penguin42> if NetworkManager is uninstalled I wonder if it reverts to using /etc/network/interfaces
[22:24] <virtuald> durt: i do it in /etc/networks/interfaces, do you want me to pastebin it?
[22:25] <virtuald> my network is wired
[22:25] <penguin42> virtuald: Wires are good; you know where your packets are going
[22:25] <durt> virtuald, no, I know /e/n/int, just doesn't seem to be working. But I haven't restarted networking since the last few updates
[22:25] <virtuald> ok
[22:27] <virtuald> the -rc3 kernel had lots of problems with networking but -rc4 works fine
[22:27] <virtuald> 2.6.31-rc1 up to 2.6.31-rc3
[22:27] <durt> guess it's time to do an update/upgrade then
[22:28] <virtuald> for me, that is :>
[22:37] <Flimm> Hi, I'm looking for volunteers to test an OpenOffice.org .odt thumbnailer
[22:37] <Flimm> on Karmic obviously
[22:38] <Flimm> I need somebody to download and install this .deb: http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1198858/ooo-thumbnailer_0.1%7Ealpha2-0ubuntu5_all.deb
[22:38] <Flimm> and tell me if it's working or not
[22:59] <Flimm> well, if anyone wants to, contact me at https://launchpad.net/~flimm