[01:33] <OldSchool> ug
[01:33] <OldSchool> cia bot needs to die
[03:08]  * JontheEchidna has a paperkut
[03:22] <JontheEchidna> in the name of papercuts: kde svn 1002459
[03:23] <JontheEchidna> now I'll just need to find time to get my layout-fu up to aseigo's liking
[03:25] <vorian> http://machinecrusade.net/goodbyesteve.jpg
[03:25] <JontheEchidna> D:
[03:26] <vorian> wednesday is my last day \o/
[03:26] <JontheEchidna> oh, so that's the sign at your real place of work?
[03:26] <vorian> yep
[03:26] <JontheEchidna> haha, sweet
[03:27] <vorian> i wanted to do a forkbomb, but we didn't have the right characters
[03:27] <JontheEchidna> well, sweet @ the sign. I don't claim to know the conditions surrounding your departure
[03:27] <JontheEchidna> heh
[03:27] <vorian> I'm more than happy to quit
[03:27] <vorian> i gave a long notice too
[03:27] <vorian> so, everyone is happy
[03:34] <JontheEchidna> seems konq has had this sort of trouble in the past: kde svn 853987
[03:34]  * JontheEchidna agrees
[12:44] <neversfelde> Bug #404839 needs a sponsor
[12:45] <neversfelde> mhh, no bot around https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-windowlist/+bug/404839
[12:48] <Tm_T> and people wonder why we like our bots
[12:59] <Tm_T> neversfelde: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2009-July/000590.html
[13:00] <Tm_T> back to lurking ->
[13:16] <_Sime> sip4 in karmic claims to depend on libjs-jquery...
[13:17] <_Sime> porkchops!
[16:15] <_Sime> wow, libboost1.37-dev drags in 332MB (on disk) of related stuff.
[16:58] <shtylman> so my webcam doesn't work on the new kernel...
[16:58] <shtylman> oh well... :(
[17:08] <claydoh> my laptop doesn't work on the new kernel :(
[17:11] <ScottK> claydoh: Nice job on the Alpha 3 release notes.
[17:33] <JontheEchidna> bug 404930
[17:33] <JontheEchidna> no ubottu D:
[17:49] <shtylman> wow...new kmail is pretty fantastic...
[17:50] <maco> new kmail?
[17:50] <shtylman> well..new to me
[17:50] <shtylman> I never used kmail before
[17:50] <shtylman> only the old 3.5 one
[17:50] <shtylman> not the kde4 one
[17:51] <shtylman> but I like many of the stuff they have added and cleanedup
[17:53] <maco> ah ok
[18:14] <_Sime> is it stable?
[18:25] <lex79> JontheEchidna: to making a new bzr repo, I tried with
[18:25] <lex79> bzr push bzr+ssh://kubuntu-members@bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/digikam/ubuntu
[18:25] <lex79> Launchpad user 'kubuntu-members' doesn't have a registered SSH key
[18:25] <lex79> :(
[18:27]  * JontheEchidna usually makes the new repos in launchpad itself
[18:27] <JontheEchidna> https://code.launchpad.net/dikikam
[18:27] <JontheEchidna> https://code.launchpad.net/digikam
[18:31] <lex79> done, thanks :)
[18:44]  * shtylman +1 konversation alpha
[18:45] <Riddell> evening
[18:52] <lex79> uff....
[18:52] <lex79> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/+addbranch
[18:52] <lex79> how to regiister without +junk ?
[18:56] <Riddell> lex79: mostly you just push it to the desired location
[18:56] <Riddell> bzr push lp:~<user>/<project>/<branch>
[18:56] <JontheEchidna> lex79: register the branch from the upstream project's page in launchpad
[18:57] <lex79> JontheEchidna: there is no branch from the upstream for kipi-plugins
[18:57] <JontheEchidna> ah, no kipi-plugins project?
[18:57] <lex79> uhm no
[18:58] <JontheEchidna> you would want to register a kipi-plugins project on launchpad
[18:58] <lex79> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/kipi-plugins
[18:58] <JontheEchidna> after you register kipi-plugins, then you'll be able to add the branch
[18:58] <lex79> ok thanks
[19:00] <Riddell> "Harald Sitter (apachelogger) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members team"  yay!
[19:01] <jussi01_> hrm
[19:01] <jussi01_> severely broken system... yum yum
[19:01] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: do you know if there was a resolution to Bille's network manager issue yesterday?
[19:03] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: We determined that we weren't shipping a too-new svn, and that the user had compiled it himself but still reported as using ubuntu packages
[19:04] <Riddell> ok, that's a nice resolution
[19:05] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: by the way, it seems klipper doesn't like the .desktop translation doman stuff: bug 362860
[19:05] <JontheEchidna> Mind if I assign it to you since you know the most about that?
[19:06] <Riddell> hmm
[19:06] <Riddell> yeah go ahead
[19:07] <jussi01_> so, was updating to the RC3, it borked, and hung (dropped x). I tried to boot in, had no inputs. so dropped to recovery console, tried to update. not sure what went wrong, but Im now at the following message: update-initramfs: generating /boot/initrd... cpio ./sbin/udevadm: cannot stat no such file or dir.
[19:07] <jussi01_> if some one feels like telling me how to fix that, you are most welcome ;)
[19:08] <JontheEchidna> jussi01_: a similar problem got me good. I had to reinstall.
[19:08] <jussi01_> JontheEchidna: yeps, im feeling like that might happen, but Im desparately trying to avoid it...
[19:10] <JontheEchidna>  I think we both rebooted while it was generating the initramfs
[19:10] <JontheEchidna> not surprising since that's one of the parts of the upgrade that takes a little bit of time to complete
[19:10] <jussi01_> quite possibly. so theres nothing do able about it? nothing to try?
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> maybe recovery mode, and then try to complete the upgrade, if you can figure how to set up networking in recovery mode
[19:11] <jussi01_> JontheEchidna: thats where I am now. no worky
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> or maybe you could try re-running update-initramfs?
[19:12] <jussi01_> how would I do that?`
[19:12] <JontheEchidna> sudo update-initramfs
[19:12]  * jussi01_ goes to try, brb
[19:12] <JontheEchidna> you may need to be in the root console
[19:14] <jussi01_> yeah, Im there. its asking me for a switch...
[19:14] <jussi01_> hrm, am I wanting to create a new one, or update the current one?
[19:14] <JontheEchidna> dunno
[19:15] <JontheEchidna> updating the current one couldn't hurt
[19:15] <jussi01_> yeah, I spose things cant get any worse...
[19:15] <jussi01_> :P
[19:15] <jussi01_> brb, gonna try it
[19:15] <JontheEchidna> computer over, viruses = very yes
[19:16] <jussi01_> ok, that give the same error message. ill let you know how it goes with creating a new one...
[19:19] <jussi01_> JontheEchidna: nope. Im going to try force removing the kernel in question, then dpkg --configure -a : does that sound sane to you?
[19:19] <shtylman> Riddell: I think the todolist should be re-orged so that the status is on the far right side... like on the old todo list (probly no need to do it for this todo list) but a good idea for the next one... much easier to see what has been done
[19:20] <Riddell> go for it
[19:21] <JontheEchidna> jussi01_: can't get any worse, I guess
[19:26] <jussi01_> JontheEchidna: its screwed. Im going to reinstall... sigh.
[19:27]  * jussi01_ wishes he could just reinstall the linux parts and leave the rest intact...
[19:44] <jussi01_>  
[19:51] <dtchen> jussi01_: err, usually you can work around that error by forcibly reinstalling udev and regenerating an initramfs
[20:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping
[20:15] <Riddell> hi apachelogger
[20:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: ahoy, I need you to poke a bit in the packaging issues highlighted by david in his latest mail about translations
[20:16] <apachelogger> writing a mail right now
[20:23]  * apachelogger always sends with wrong email address :S
[20:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: anyway, mail sent and queued in kubuntu-devel ;-)
[20:27] <Riddell> I don't see it in the moderation queue
[20:28] <apachelogger> oh
[20:28] <apachelogger> autorejected
[20:28] <apachelogger> bad behaviour :P
[20:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: sent again
[20:30] <Riddell> only way to keep the moderation sane
[20:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: increase amount of mods :P
[20:30]  * apachelogger subscribes his gmail address
[20:30] <apachelogger> actually, if mailman would support alias addresses it would be very useful too
[20:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: I'll fix up pkg-kde-tools
[20:40] <apachelogger> uploaded
[20:43] <shtylman> anyone know if there is a way to detect (in python) if compositing is turned on?
[20:43] <shtylman> or enabled?
[20:43] <shtylman> I need to run different sets of code depending on if compositing is on or not
[20:45] <apachelogger> shtylman: I guess you can query it via dbus from kwin
[20:46] <shtylman> lordy...
[20:46] <mgraesslin> shtylman: KWindowSystem also provides a method to check if compositing is enabled
[20:46] <shtylman> mgraesslin: :)
[20:47] <mgraesslin> that one also works if you have Compiz
[20:49] <shtylman> mgraesslin: worked like a charm
[20:50]  * apachelogger likes kwindowsystem from now on
[20:50] <mgraesslin> it's awesome :-)
[21:17] <shtylman> Riddell: http://shtylman.com/stuff/kubuntu_installer/installer_dialog.png
[21:17] <shtylman> thoughts?
[21:17] <shtylman> that would replace the standard looking dialog that pops up when detecting disks and whatnot...
[21:18] <shtylman> (when there is not compositing, it just doesn't have the shadow under it...but is still rounded)
[21:21] <Mamarok> gah, I'm sick of idiots who tell people to use pulseaudio in #kubuntu for 9.04 :( we are the ones who get the users whining in #amarok later
[21:42] <Riddell> shtylman: looks lovely
[21:43] <shtylman> Riddell: think so... don't think it takes the re-theming too far? ... I had that concern potentially, but found that this dialog looked better than a standard *window* based dialog
[21:43] <shtylman> which now seems to stand out too much... :/
[21:44] <Riddell> if it works I don't see why not
[21:44] <CIA-30> Kubuntu: apachelogger * r12 kde-l10n-orphans-parser/ (kde.rb lib/orphansparser.rb): (log message trimmed)
[21:44] <CIA-30> Kubuntu: lib/orphansparser.rb:
[21:44] <CIA-30> Kubuntu: * listTags(amount=3) to list possible tag names
[21:44] <CIA-30> Kubuntu: * getRevision(tag) to return revision of tag name
[21:44] <CIA-30> Kubuntu: * Workaround bug where svn switch to in the way of svn up *shrug*
[21:44] <CIA-30> Kubuntu: kde.rb:
[21:44] <shtylman> true...
[21:44] <CIA-30> Kubuntu: * Only hardcode revision of previous series' KDE tag
[21:44]  * apachelogger declares bzr-cia a fail and kills the bot
[21:48] <ScottK> Looks like RC3 built on all archs except, of course, armel.
[21:49] <apachelogger> bah
[21:49] <apachelogger> networkmanager plamsoid fails to build
[21:49] <apachelogger> poor icecream cluster worked for nothing :(
[21:51] <apachelogger> so
[21:51] <apachelogger> who is going to repair amarok-nightly?
[21:51]  * shtylman not it
[21:52]  * vorian needs an arm machine
[21:52]  * vorian gives apachelogger a big hug
[21:52] <vorian> late birthday hug
[21:52] <apachelogger> uh, the huggles!
[21:52]  * apachelogger rehugs vorian
[21:52]  * apachelogger also hugs shtylman
[21:56] <lex79> digikam and kipi-plugins are in bzr now
[22:01] <jussi01_> dtchen: Ive just come in and seen that... havent reinstalled yet, Ill give it a try! thanks!!
[22:08] <Riddell> ryanakca: about?
[22:11] <jussi01_> hrm, is this a  paper cut bug or something else... When copying, the copying notification popup needs to be expandable to see the full path.
[22:11] <jussi01_> err paperkut :D
[22:13] <ScottK> The armel thing is apparently down to needing a longer timeout to build qt4-x11 on armel.
[22:13] <ScottK> It's been requested, so we're close.
[22:15] <Riddell> ScottK: can't we just turn off lzma for armel?
[22:15] <ScottK> Riddell: lzma is solved.  It's something gcc 4.4ish now.
[22:16] <jussi01_> ScottK: are you familiar with an imx 31 from free scale_ would our arm builds run on it?
[22:16] <ScottK> jussi01_: I'm not.  NCommander is the one who knows such stuff.
[22:17] <jussi01_> ScottK: ok then, Ill seek him out... :D
[22:17] <ScottK> You already have ....
[22:18] <jussi01_> Are we in his "likely around" timezone?
[22:18] <ScottK> He lives in -0400
[22:18] <jussi01_> ok, so hopefully he will turn up soon :)
[22:19] <jussi01_> its getting close to bed  time here... after midnight
[22:25] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ping poke call
[22:25] <Nightrose> apachelogger: pong
[22:26] <apachelogger> Nightrose: am I the best looking dev ever?
[22:26] <Nightrose> apachelogger: of course
[22:26]  * apachelogger bzr pushes
[22:26] <Nightrose> right after fregl
[22:26] <Nightrose> :D
[22:26] <apachelogger> biased!
[22:27] <Nightrose> maybe
[22:27] <Nightrose> a little
[22:28]  * apachelogger waits for lp
[22:28] <apachelogger> Nightrose: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+junk/release-script-refactor r63
[22:29] <apachelogger> Argument > Config > Default
[22:29] <apachelogger> most awesome documentation line ever :P
[22:30] <Nightrose> apachelogger: hehe now if I could use that with git... :/
[22:30] <apachelogger> oh
[22:30] <apachelogger> true
[22:30]  * Nightrose needs to figure out how to do the whole tagging thing in git
[22:30] <apachelogger> god damnit
[22:31] <apachelogger> you know, I told you that I need to refactor it towards that direction :P
[22:31] <apachelogger> but ye nahd
[22:31] <Nightrose> what?
[22:31] <Nightrose> i didn't!
[22:31] <apachelogger> you did!
[22:31] <apachelogger> were whining about minor bugs :P
[22:32] <Nightrose> *lol* for sure
[22:32] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I suppose git tag is the way to go
[22:32] <jussi01> dtchen: you rock my world!!!! THANK YOU!!!
[22:32] <Nightrose> probably - still needs tarball sorted out
[22:33] <apachelogger> well, that is easy :P
[22:33]  * apachelogger is wondering though
[22:33] <apachelogger> Nightrose: since doc and l10n are in SVN... how would we tag that?
[22:33] <apachelogger> would need independent tag, or we import into git, which is darn slow and looses history
[22:34] <apachelogger> Nightrose: for the time being: how about mirroring git master to SVN
[22:34] <apachelogger> that way you don't have to worry about that kinda stuff for now :P
[22:35] <Nightrose> no - scripty gets confused by that - amarok dir in svn is being deleted right now
[22:35] <apachelogger> too bad
[22:35] <apachelogger> well, then, make your choice
[22:35] <apachelogger> indepdent tag in KDE SVN or git add po
[22:36] <Nightrose> the latter i guess
[22:36] <apachelogger> ok
[22:36] <Nightrose> not sure though
[22:36] <apachelogger> Nightrose: well, get it discussed
[22:37] <Nightrose> needs some input from ian
[22:38] <apachelogger> anyway, unless I come up with a super awesome design that restructures the libs in a way that they become less dependent on each other and on SVN the best I can do is branch a git version of the script
[22:39] <apachelogger> maybe have src, l10n and doc as classes with common functions and create srcSVN, l10nSVN and docSVN as implemenations of those
[22:40] <apachelogger> or create a proxy class around src, l10n and doc and then implement that as svn, probably easier to control frontendwise
[22:40]  * apachelogger needs to ponder
[23:15] <ryanakca> Riddell: Yes, just got in, what can I do for you?
[23:45] <shtylman> ryanakca: I can't click on any content link below #9... https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo
[23:45] <ryanakca> shtylman: known and annoying issue, bug 389233
[23:46] <shtylman> ryanakca: cool, just making sure :)
[23:46] <ScottK> Riddell: Dell mini 10v has a multimedia key to control wifi on/off and seems to get a reasonable keyboard event.  Any thoughts on what package should deal with that?
[23:46] <ScottK> It's currently not working
[23:47] <Riddell> network manager applet should
[23:48] <Riddell> in a perfect world, I doubt there's any code for it
[23:50] <shtylman> Riddell: is the network manager getting love from sebas this cycle?
[23:52] <Riddell> shtylman: from wstephenson it is, although no guarantee it'll ever be ready
[23:52] <shtylman> heh
[23:54] <shtylman> and what about that giant block of artwork todo we have untouched/unassigned?
[23:54] <shtylman> is that for later?
[23:56] <shtylman> oh...and do we know yet if our version of oo is with the kde4 patches?
[23:56] <shtylman> those have a one or two small bugs in the file picker...but beyond that we can press forward and remove kde3 libs I think